Is the Media Altering Our Perception of Crime? | Spiraling

[@AC-tz4im]

“Cultures define themselves by the stories they tell, if our stories are about violence all the time we are defining ourselves by violence.” Well said.

[@KewinCosmos]

Best quotes and it went over everyones head!

[@teebone2157]

The problem is it's a group who are disconnected from the communities that get to tell the stories

[@kyleunderhill9126]

@@teebone2157 I'd argue your point is a byproduct of most media being owned by a few companies

[@arscheerio]

What an idiot statement.

[@jadengrant]

I guess if we ignore the issues, they'll go away.

[@rdean150]

Reminds me of the film Nightcrawler from a few years ago. Dark stuff that kinda highlights our cultural obsession with vicariously experiencing the misfortune and suffering of our fellow humans.

[@thestreetpharmacist2685]

Came here to post this

[@_hvman_]

That's his alter ego.

[@99mm66]

There was a journalist in south america somewhere a couple years ago who killed people just to be the first on the scene to report on it.

[@g4bbn149]

@@99mm66 ain’t no way💀

[@0xdamian595]

Thought the same. Cheers, man 🍻

[@justbe1451]

Once you stop following chaos, life is more peaceful.

[@Kick_Rocks]

It's called putting your head in the sand.

[@Red_Dusk]

@@derrickclark5364 i could only last few weeks

[@Jalenlane93]

Ignoring something doesn't make it go away.

[@elijahmaxwell1059]

Being a hermit with unlimited learning and the company of animals is better.

[@SticksAandstonesBozo]

Get off social media entirely , never ever turn on cable tv in any way , and you will be shocked that things are actually great.

[@damnjustassignmeone]

I’ve lived in NYC for 15 years. I’ve seen a noticeable change in the past 2 years or so. People are so much more bold now. I can’t tell you the number of times I’ve seen men just pull their thing out and start peeing in the middle of a sidewalk. Homeless people cuss you out if you don’t give them anything. I saw an Asian woman get punched in the face out of nowhere.

[@TheTeratophile]

It was way worst in the late 80's early 90's

[@damnjustassignmeone]

@@TheTeratophile I have no doubt. But I think we can all agree that’s not where we want to be headed.

[@chaotickreg7024]

The species has come full circle. Return to nature, pee on the street.

[@sbrannon4585]

@@TheTeratophile Yeah, that makes it better huh? Stupid rationalization

[@ye23.]

The pandemic has resulted in more poverty. Poverty leads to more crime

[@Shadowlizard48]

It's really exposed issues we've had for centuries. People act like it's something new but its not. Social media and video just allows us to globally see it.

[@ci6516]

At the same time however crime had been moving down the past 30 years , until the past two years when it’s exploded . I don’t know why people actively try to silence the numbers. What happened to , “follow the science “ ?

[@egregiousqueef7781]

@@jaydee975 The world IS horrible. Humans are an absolutely irredeemable species. Take homelessness in the U.S. - since it's been documented around industrialization it's only grown. Remember: the CHOICE (personal responsibility, right??) to be brought into existence was made for all humans. With that choice that I, we, did not make come corresponding needs we cannot opt out of by simply exercising a subsequent choice to do so: thirst, hunger, exposure. These experiences happen regardless of what kind of person we are. At the very least - due to being forced to be in this life - we should WITHOUT condition provided clean water, healthy food AND BASIC SHELTER (to limit exposure to elements and thus illness and death) to all humans brought here through no act of their own. It would be one thing if there were a lack of materials that made it impossible to build enough shelters for bodies But thats not the case. U.S. homeless problem grows every single year it's been documented, on average across the nation. Yet there are empty apartments, hotels, entire vacant communities... so the actual physical need is not only there but abundant; the problem is the subject the abstract value we've put on wealth accumulation, thereby DIScouraging humans who have an excess of material from making personal sacrifices to get these physical bodies into these physical shelters. That would require banks, real estate conglomerates and all their wealthy administration to say "ya know, we want to SOLVE this problem, maybe we DON'T need to sit on all this empty housing waiting for money to be exchanged, maybe we will do the right thing for once."

[@呱呱-h8p]

HBO-VICE is a racist media and organized crime media, and the boss behind it is CCP (CCP≠China). RICO Act applies to #HBO #VICE #IsobelYeung. Everyone has to be careful. gettr.com/post/pkexq84603

[@andrew6780]

@@ci6516maybe soft on crime doesnt make sense

[@yanipheonu]

We hear more about crime than literally any generation ever. We have the internet and mass media television. So we get a massive false perspective in crime rates. It could be the most peaceful year in history but we'll hear every single crime incident, rest assured.

[@IdiotBoxProductionsTV]

They’re trying to make us think that criminals are victims of the justice system. That’s what’s happening

[@gogiants1227]

@@IdiotBoxProductionsTV facts

[@benlovell9860]

@@IdiotBoxProductionsTV They usually are when it comes to drug crimes but if it's violent they should definitely be locked up

[@alexcastro9424]

@@IdiotBoxProductionsTV tell that to the innocent people recently exonerated from death row

[@christyliebel9500]

I've yet to hear much about the numbers, much less names of all the blacks that are killed every week on the streets of Chicago.

[@iCANT_BELIEVE_YOU_SAID_THAT]

The crap I read on Ring's Neighborhood crime alerts. One person posted a doorbell video of the mailman delivering at their mailbox. They wrote that the mailman looked suspicious. The other commenters encouraged them by urging them to call the cops just to be safe. A mailman in uniform delivering your mail...lol

[@AvenueD417]

That’s just an idiot who’s bored living in the suburbs and wants to create paranoia

[@silentassassin6162]

It’s literally ridiculous on the app, it kind of Gives you a perspective of how many people live in irrational fear.

[@elementaesthetique]

two people dressed up as UPS just hog tied an entire family and robbed them on Christmas so it's not out of nowhere.

[@ProbablyOnLSD69]

@@elementaesthetique 🙄

[@theburnoutsblogpost2364]

Lmao

[@czechplzzz]

Dude nightcrawler kinda nailed it with this lifestyle - I fucking love that movie 🍿

[@carlycaye90]

I always want to drive around with a camera but I have gotten old and angry behind the wheel. I might end up being the one yelling at other drivers and being recorded xD "LEARN TO DRIVE YOU COW" etc wish cameras were cheaper 10 years ago ):

[@shawnwatson6997]

Challenger and all

[@lwouldsetmyselfonfireforyou]

That’s what I was thinking!

[@mrrob8263]

Hell yeah I was just watching it right now and this pop up in my recommendation what a coincidence

[@abnknyte]

As a first responder, we HATE these apps. Scene Chasers are what we call them, and we have had it result in secondary accidents. I work EMS and when they show up to scenes, they often get way too close and cause hazards on our scene. Also it makes my patientrs far more anxious.

[@simplytrolling6869]

As a former firefighter, I’ve been there and know exactly what you mean. The only thing I hope is that these scene chasers report the truth and not twist the narrative to fit the liberal agenda.

[@TheZakanater]

It's not them doing it it's whoever you sell too

[@Not.nickelodean]

My friend works at a very boring news station in Florida where no crime happens and they report everything. Maintenance one took a pump from a fountain at a church and they reported it stolen and started a gofund me page. It made the news. The guy came back with the working pump the next day...

[@ericjohnnelson7420]

Very interesting take on this topic. I love how Vice still goes out and talks to real people. This gives you a very different take away about crime

[@TheJudgeofLevelstm]

It's not who you talk to it's who makes the edit.

[@tdestroyer4780]

@@TheJudgeofLevelstm Vice has been known to selectively edit interviews in the past.

[@majesticmajestic7058]

@Chishio Chishio I watch him too, people have limited agency, people just don't know how long their chains are.

[@djkobafemi]

@@tdestroyer4780 EVERY media production has to selectively edit their content. Your intent to cast doubt on the journalistic integrity of Vice is pretty clear. We should question everything and everyone anyway.

[@tdestroyer4780]

@@djkobafemi If you ain't woke, vice will edit you out. That's the difference. They're violent radicals. I'll prove it, just disagree with them.

[@seanthe100]

I saw a poll about crime and it asked peoples general perception whether they were worried about increasing crime 90% of Americans said yes. When they asked about whether those people felt they worried about crime in their own neighborhoods 84% of Americans said they weren't concerned about crime in their own neighborhoods. This goes to show just how distorted our view on crime really is. Often times we're seeing crime from all across the Nation.

[@stonerhistory8742]

Exactly

[@stonerhistory8742]

I bet it was fox news

[@claudej.montgomery9421]

Just type in Chicago shooting. Nearly every video has a neighbor who says they are moving as soon as the opportunity rise. Post a link of the poll

[@diedefending420]

I saw a same poll about racism.

[@stonerhistory8742]

@@claudej.montgomery9421 No you type in Florida

[@dewmontain123]

"This is the vice we want. Back to its roots" -comment on every vice video ever made

[@888cleve]

Vice shills

[@gilbertbarraganjr941]

True, npc,s.

[@bfrost7]

damn that police officer sounded very informed and willing to meet the causes of crimes halfway, with addressing the root causes of them, glad to see it.

[@ci6516]

Root causes of crime are parents and lack there of . Police and government will never fix a lack of morals . In the rush to get rid of the church , people lost all meaning of morals . People think there’s no down side to teaching kids to sing song like WAP and glamorizing violence

[@colinjohnston5734]

@@ci6516 you hit the nail on the head. I’m not religious but can’t deny Christianity, Sikhism and even Islam prompt the family unit. And regardless of religion a proper family unit has advantages over single folk in every situation. People can make anything work but it’s easier as a family.

[@lazerhosen]

@@ci6516 This issue goes beyond family, it's a community issue. Churches provide community, and extended, chosen family (the blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb). You don't need churches for community just like you don't need biological relation for family. Not only are we talking about systemic issues caused by poverty, which is the direct result of an authoritarian form of capitalism and wealth disparity, we're talking about how people are made to spend so much time working that they don't have time to build community. We live in a society of unjust hierarchy, plain and simple. Most crime exists at the intersection of "have" and "have not," while there is plenty for everyone, but it isn't distributed fairly, just because some big corporation wants to make money for shareholders and executives while not paying their basic workers a livable wage. Where is justice in this society if rich people can get away with diddling children with a slap on the wrist while another person can be locked up for decades because they were selling a plant that's less harmful than alcohol? These problems are bigger than just "eroded morals" on the ground level, these are problems caused by the fact that there is a top-down system of rule imposed on people that is amoral to the core because it's built around the exploitation of resources, and especially the exploitation of people's labor as a resource, rather than recognizing that it is the work of all people that makes a society function in the first place. All human accomplishment is built on all previous human accomplishment, and should thusly be owned collectively, not privately. How can we collectively cooperate to build the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth if we surrender our rights to a central human authority, rather than empowering one another with the power of self-determination and self-governance?

[@emveetu3672]

@@ci6516 I'd say the incredible disparity in distribution of wealth is a big factor. IE, poverty. People are in survival mode and when humans are in survival mode, morals become very murky. What would lengths would you go to feed and cloth yourself and your family?

[@violent_bebop9687]

@@emveetu3672 poverty is not a factor, the Amish community don't even have TV's. Now what?

[@0xdamian595]

Idk who this Vice guy is but he sure as hell seems to be breathing some real life back into Vice. I'm grateful, keep it up man.

[@FPOAK]

Americans systemically overrate the chance of being killed or injured by a crime and underrate the chance of being killed or injured by a car, which is the leading killer of young people in the US. Ironically the fear of crime caused the car-centric suburbanization of our cities which has only increased the death toll

[@teflon_donatello]

Cogent observation. I think people gravitate towards emotional explanations and solutions, "crime is increasing due to moral decay, we must righteously punish those evildoers!" Is palatable, but a systemic analysis is not. Likewise the fear of being violently assaulted is visceral, but burning in a car wreck because you are looking at your phone is inconceivable, "that wouldn't happen to me, Im responsible!"

[@ci6516]

@@teflon_donatello dude , the difference is you are in control of your car . If you get into a wreck , it’s your fault . If your child gets shot in your home watching tv because gang members are fighting , that’s not your fault . It’s much different. I don’t get how this isn’t clear to you. A killing and a death are not the same.

[@ci6516]

@@teflon_donatello a systemic analysis shows the root cause to be lack of education and bad parenting . It’s that easy. No amount of jobs and charity will fix bad schools and bad parents . Half of 0blkamerikka is illiterate, yeah you read that right . Half of 0blkad_ults can’t properly read or write . If you want to fix crime , start at the true source . People need to stop blaming police and government (except for bad schools) And in places like Chicago , where they say all the right things and preach how evil republicans are , minorityschoolsw are in horrid condition. I had to code words to make it through KZbin filter

[@teflon_donatello]

@@ci6516 damn right out the gate. If you "get in a wreck" that can be because someone else slammed into your car. You can be in complete control and it not be your fault. What would be your fault is entering the road. It is simply true that using cars and roads makes it more likely you will be killed in a car accident. So it is partly your fault because not driving a car would decrease your risk to near zero. Ez

[@teflon_donatello]

@@ci6516 Im not going to engage with the drivel in the second comment because you seemed to miss the point. OPs comment is not an equivocation, rather an observation and summary of an analysis. More people die from cars rather than gun violence (edit: homicide) and that is exacerbated by suburban lifestyles and proliferation of cars. It's just something to think about.

[@DaMinecraft2]

the media is altering our perception of everything wtf😂

[@Beatrizzzle]

Exactly!! and vice is also part of that.

[@DaMinecraft2]

@@Beatrizzzle when all the sheep fall victim to the metaverse and become a robot maybe theyll finally understand that everything on this earth is phony

[@zercora]

@@DaMinecraft2 what do you mean by "metaverse"

[@tayhoops8641]

Facts man that’s why important to do your own research

[@reackizback]

I dunno man if you watchin nat geo docs on beavers I feel like its pretty unaltering

[@rj7996]

So thankful to hear the police chief speaking in a solution driven, community focused mindset

[@FerociousPancake888]

That was a breath of fresh air. Cops/rightwing nuts need to stop ignoring the problem and the only argument they make is that we want to abolish the police. Defund does not mean abolish…

[@classwarhooligan923]

What if we just like... stop letting the media and the wealthy ruling class divide us on race? Let me preface this by saying racism is a huge issue on a systemic level that does in fact need to be addressed. Although, it is framed by politicians in a way to divide us. Let's progress forward as a society. After taking the time to recognize any privilege you may have and the struggles others may face, we should see one another on the basis of CLASS. 99% of us WORK for a living and are therefore working class. We all struggle to varying degrees to make it to work and get the bills paid. We all have the same CLASS INTERESTS when it comes to politics. Policies that help your underpaid and overworked service industry jobs such as fast food inherently benefit every working class individual from teachers, to nurses, your mechanics, delivery drivers, etc. Being working class is our common ground and our enemies are those holding the power and currently wrecking our country. They are the billionaire class, the owners of big business that small businesses can no longer compete against and their large multinational corporations that many of us call our employers that dictate so many aspects of our lives while simultaneously dodging taxes, buying the government through lobbying, and feeding off government subsidies. Those WITH the power to change this country ARE the ones wrecking this country. Don't let the media and political parties use their typical scapegoats. Stop blaming racial groups, immigrants, and the poor who have the least amount of power to effect change due to systemic racism and socioeconomic status and start blaming those sitting at the throne that WE built. Punch up, not down. Ya feel me?! Working class solidarity above all else! PS I'd like my labor value back ASAP

[@theironworker781]

Thank you.

[@mikeoleksa]

Here's my take on the obsession with crime. Most of the obsession is because so many people want to point the finger an place blame somewhere. Whether it's news media and ratings or the whistleblowers. Which isn't wrong, someone needs to be held accountable. At the same time, if the same people looking for someone to blame would spend half as much time looking for a solution that they can actively be a part of, instead of blaming others and hoping they do something about it, some change might actually begin to take place. The group of people in Cleveland is a great example. Some may say it's bad that they have automatic weapons and are out patrolling the streets with them. The people complaining are those in their gated communities with police patroling regularly. Put the people complaining in the neighborhoods that cizitens have to take it upon themselves to patrol the streets and protect their neighborhoods and I guarantee they change their tune about how the streets are being protected. They sure as hell aren't going to be the ones out there doing it.

[@bunk95]

Humans forced to use stories that include crime, use them as if theyre not fiction stories do so because theyre forced to.

[@moonmushroom6996]

Vice acting like they aren't part of this problem. They stopped doing real journalism a long time ago.

[@eugene7145]

Then leave.

[@moonmushroom6996]

@Eugene 714 leave? Lol Way to be part of the problem.

[@jennifervan75]

And what do you think is real news? Let me guess, Fox News,Ben Shapiro,Alex Jones etc?

[@unounv]

Facts!

[@bboykman]

The vice hasn't done real journalism for a while crowd some how seems to always stick around to leave the same comment for almost half a decade, its kinda sad to be honest 😂

[@too-stoked-about-2-strokes]

They're only looking to alter the perception of specific crimes.

[@bz988]

Very true or about everything that's happened since 2020 in EVERY SINGLE TOPIC

[@JerseyMike6O9]

They shouldn’t make violet crimes a big deal? Murders and robberies should be ignored or looked at as normal?

[@WorldlyBudget]

@@JerseyMike6O9 yeah, they blame the media, the police and whites in general, but will never take a good hard look in the f mirror.

[@jamesk5374]

@Daddy Or mass shootings and to categorize every incident possible as a mass shooting.

[@softballdadjoselynulloaclass24]

Come to the street of Chicago and tell this to the families of the 800+ murder victims see what they say.

[@camaroman101]

12 shooting victims daily, that's rounding down.

[@qui3t]

Lets see how "not afraid" he is then lol. TBH alot of this is just people being nosey

[@werebilbyj4449]

We are actually living in the safest time in human history. Just the media makes it look like we aren't.

[@chrisblanchard6413]

rest assured, they have our safety in mind and want the best for us! the government will keep us safe and warm and protected from the big bad world out there!

[@FUBARguy107]

Depends on what state you live in. Arizona has so many armed people I'd be terrified to commit a crime.

[@werebilbyj4449]

@@FUBARguy107 I live in Australia so we don't all carry guns like hand bags. Unfortunately it's the 24/7 news cycle that has caused your issues and the history of your country. It's a damn shame that you all value guns over lives.

[@werebilbyj4449]

@Veteran of the Pyschic Wars ...and? How many people you know have died of Covid? Majority of my family are vaccinated, we live in Australia so you know, we have been looked after by our state government and in 2 years, only 10 people have passed because of good policies, free medical care, social distancing, lock downs when required, masks. Everyone in the community trying to do the right thing by each other, but hey, keep on thinking "you are in on a big secret". See how well that treats you when you are in hospital, on a vent and nothing they do can help. Maybe ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine might help? Joe Rogan perhaps? Herbal teas or essential oils perhaps? I trust in science not conspiracy theories.

[@roundearthshill248]

@Veteran of the Pyschic Wars it will make my day.

[@mr.magnussen1289]

Vice is just a different way of journalism. Great job guys...

[@professional_cynic98]

I’m telling you… if anyone can handle this situation is Detroit Urban Survivalist Training guy

[@BT_Spanky]

💯

[@mister__cruz7907]

I respect and appreciate what New Era Cleveland and BIVO are doing, taking control of their communities and truly trying to change the culture and not just talking about it. The only issue I had was when New Era was asked "What causes this kind of crime?" their response, almost immediately, was "white supremacy". 1) How? How does white supremacy cause violence in a community that is self proclaimed a 'black community'? If white supremacist aren't in these communities how are they causing this crime? 2) And what does that even mean? I am serious and mean no disrespect at all.

[@benschilling546]

Exactly, well said and good question

[@Rilkir]

People who complain about white supremacy have overdosed on copium.

[@sommershadow]

White supremacy forced their grandparents into poverty

[@foefoe469]

I apologize on behalf of the black race that we don’t claim those failed abortions. We are fine in my community and don’t want or accept handouts like the rest of these fatherless betamales.

[@cslantz4020]

@@sommershadow there was a time people were heavily segregated against for the color of their skin; but that was atleast two or three generations ago, the time is now and they have all the rights and advantages every other common person in the country should. we shouldnt be putting a blanket over a community and grouping them all together and acting like they are all handicapped by this; the community is made out of pieces and each piece is an individual capable of completely changing their community for the better. it does more harm acting like they are restricted by an ever aging and old problem when in reality they need truth which is that they can switch it around it just takes dedication responsibility and time... everyone has obstacles in their path to unlocking their hidden potential, so if we dwell on the obstacles for too long we remain stagnant..

[@xsanguine]

Vice, keep up with your root documentary style! Loved this, learned a lot.

[@WorldlyBudget]

11:35 I learned that these people will never take responsibility for their own actions and behavior, and will continue to blame whites for their own actions for another 100 years to come.

[@noyou6421]

@@WorldlyBudget dude just stop. Just stop. There are 2multiple sides of the story. There are extremists on every side

[@luffy-sama3686]

@@WorldlyBudget exactly!!

[@xeftones]

Crime is going to be hard to stop when people don't want to have uncomfortable conversations.

[@Pretermit_Sound]

It’s also hard to stop when people are more concerned with punishment and vengeance than they are with prevention, or rehabilitation.

[@squirlboy250]

Zeke Spector I would like to thank you for doing real investigative journalism, getting down and dirty to find the real problems going on in America and not spreading more fake or inflated nonsense. You alone have got me back to watching Vice.

[@snufftherooster93]

Here here.

[@amerz2477]

I would like the news to be like it used to be.. they reported the news they NEVER GAVE THEIR OPINIONS!!!

[@TheRedGunNinja]

Don't watch CNN or fox news. I mostly get my news from watching the video segments on KZbin since Im normally working or sleeping when the local news plays on free tv.

[@felonyc81]

Anyone born in 80’s New York knows what crime on a high scale really is not saying the crime now is not bad it’s just more cover on it since we have social media

[@newstation795]

@Not Convinced the propaganda has rotted your brain

[@Thedecider1984]

True

[@avalosalex1993]

@Not Convinced turn off the news buddy lol

[@janikb3538]

I remember a couple weeks ago some guy was taking pictures of his own house and sent it to a company who planned to build him a new porch. Anyways someone reported him to the police cause they thought he was a thief trying to case in a house or something 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@bcg6760]

Kid I work with was saying goodbye to his freinds in the driveway, finished his beer out there and his neighbors called the cops saying a junkie was casing the house.... its the house he's lived in for 24 years.

[@JD-tm4ee]

And how does that information help anyone?

[@tressietes04]

Cool story bro. Sounds like a case of neighbors looking out for one another even if they happened to be wrong in this situation.

[@BD-ui1fj]

@@tressietes04 no it does not mr cool story smith

[@arcnyte5232]

@@tressietes04 its not neighbors looking out for each other. It's suburban retirees who have nothing better to do and are looking for the next thrill

[@michaelb4438]

this liberal propaganda lost me at "you'd think the whole city is burning on fire, but it's really just armed robberies, bomb threats, and nightly shootings". @5:15

[@jessicanielsen6134]

I absolutely love the vibe/energy of those New Era guys. Renews my faith in people.

[@DickCheneyXX]

The KKK vibe? Running around armed while chanting black power! What could go wrong?

[@ye23.]

@@DickCheneyXX I dont see them burning homes and killing ppl like the kkk. Stupid comparison

[@uwaifoeenna]

@@DickCheneyXX They are laughing with a whitew journalist and trying to prevent crime in their neighbourhood from people they know have just gone down the wrong path and you are comparing them to the KKK. What a ahistorical reactionary take. Research the Black power movement and the KKK and explain how they are even comparable?

[@DickCheneyXX]

@@ye23. Give them time. What's stupid is not comparing them both at their inception instead of coming up with a silly bad faith way to dismiss the comparison.

[@DickCheneyXX]

@@uwaifoeenna I can point to numerous video evidence of KKK members doing the same while casually preaching white supremacy, not all of them are frothing at the mouth... The KKK just a bunch of misguided people and not some mental projection of what you imagine they are, same for them.

[@queentron17]

"Rolled through a stop light. Crime!" 🤣

[@gregguess5248]

The guy in Cleveland told you your take on crime was an understatement . And thats why they were taking to the streets to help

[@horris773]

What is up with Vice when they use this reporter? He never asks any real questions that try and challenge the narrative, never. All he does is pander, and then the comments are drowned in right wing bots. Left wing media won't be allowed once the corporate takeover is complete so I suspect these are the initial stages of changing this media company into more mainstream right wing propaganda (liberal and conservative are both right, in this case it would be liberal). It's just like the liberal bias to tell everyone everything is okay and to go back to business as usual. How about the guy literally telling the reporter he's underestimating crime while he just seems to not listen? Telling the reporter how getting the cops OUT of the community is necessary to prevent crime yet the reporter didn't follow up questions about this? This dude seriously came away with a short video about nothing. By the way, the cops wanting to break into that building for getting eggs thrown at them for assaulting someone with mace is shameful behavior and it's no wonder why they cause violence. We're having fragile egos with the brains of children carrying guns. Understanding that we have a bias to seeing violence in the media is something pretty obvious that most people understand, you'd have to be an idiot to come away thinking it was some kind of revelation.

[@assiattituede]

Theres a lack of a systemic analaysis about the causes of crime and thats definitly the fault of an media industry which more and more seeks to purely entertain for commercial reasons, rather than educate and ask critical questions. When we look at crime we shouldnt just look at it quantitavly but rather qualitavly, if theres crime we should ask what happened in the sense of why did it happen, is there a systemic reason (poverty, racism, misogyny, the need for illegal drugs, etc.). Moreover we should ask if there's a disbalance about the medial treatment of crime on the streets (gangviolonce, drug-crime, shootings etc.) and crimes that involve tax evation, corruption, sex abuse etc, which is often committed by other higher classes (rich white people), because I feel there is.

[@SkepticalMantisCHANNEL10]

Good points

[@JM-hf9bl]

So for example what should be a crime coming out of "systemic misogyny"? Can you give us an example?

[@SkepticalMantisCHANNEL10]

@@JM-hf9bl domestic violence, rape

[@JM-hf9bl]

@@SkepticalMantisCHANNEL10 I don't see how that's "systemic".

[@willjones4992]

@@JM-hf9bl its systemic in the sense that the vast majority of the victims are women rather than men

[@sarahdell4042]

The past two years, crime has been sky high in my area (upper middle class) Gun violence almost daily, lots of robberies, and hoards of dirt bikes and 4 wheelers ripping through sidewalks and taking over streets. It’s wild

[@MayorSom]

Mind sharing your ‘area’ in a 5 miles vicinity? Just to cross reference your perception? If not, I understand. Incidentally, living in an “upper middle class” doesn’t shield you from crime 🙂

[@ye23.]

Philly?

[@pyropapi2470]

Im sure it’s a place ran by democrats

[@Maddogcommentor]

Media is extremely selective of what they report in depending on the narrative of whoever pays them.

[@seanthe100]

Most local news isn't though they typically just report what's going on in your area.

[@ABCRE2]

The media has been taking back to back L after L ever since Derrick Chauvin verdict, the Aubrey murder trial verdict, and now the Kim Potter verdict. It's not looking good.

[@daks5122]

Yes, because everyone knows the media is directly effected by people going to jail. You're deluded if you think that the media isn't playing both sides.

[@kevinchan4951]

It's not real crime especially with the catch and release. Meaningless stats with no convictions and prosecutions that stick .

[@hi-il7ug]

A family friend came to visit from Australia. I asked what the Australian perception of America was, and she said “There’s a lot of crime and racism”. I was disappointed but not supprised considering the only thing our media covers these days are A) Crime and B) Racism. Yes, there is crime (like every other country in the world) and there is some racism (arguebly the LEAST racist country though), but our country has so many amazing things.

[@PropheticShadeZ]

It's pretty funny that an Australian called another country racist, we had a race riot against Muslims recently. I think it's cause America is constantly under the spotlight.

[@gogan]

Some racism??? Wait, you're white right?

[@hi-il7ug]

@@gogan Asian. Yes there is racism but literally go to anyone country in the world, and you will realize the US is literally the least racist country. Blacks, Asians, Hispanics have more opportunities and treated way better here than any other country (even their own homeland)

[@persona83]

It's a world tendency. Someone is pulling the strings.

[@mattthelearner2797]

Racism is not bad

[@Murphy82nd]

4:01 What this shows is that people, the viewers of the news themselves, skew the stories they see. It’s not just the media, the media caters to what people want.

[@ye23.]

Also American media is so problematic. Aside from like pbs and npr its just piss poor journalism driven by an agenda

[@Garkin58]

It most certainly is! They make it seem as if guns are to blame for the crime, but in reality the amount of homicides by gun in america is almost the same rate of homicides by vehicles, knives, and other types of violence in canada. Edit: keep in mind canada is a lot less overpopulated than america, so america has exceptionally good crime rates for its size.

[@cliffpadilla5871]

Local media is always after the big story and crime is almost always that big story.

[@twilightgardenspresentatio6384]

Only if you make it dramatic, fun or scary to watch… for money

[@theMLBfan]

20:12 I really like this guy and his mission. This man speaks the truth.

[@willindafield]

So he asked the cops to step back. Instead of asking the neighborhood to step back from robbing stealing and killing? Cause how i c it if there was no robbing stealing and killing the cops would not be there.

[@willindafield]

@ᗩᒪIYᗩᕼ u should educate yourself.

[@darkhorseman8263]

You have a country with little to no social safety nets, and a bunch of people who were all in lockdown, financially going backwards, then they were all dumped back out on the streets; at the same time eviction blocking mandates rolled back. What did they expect was going to happen? People broke and stressed coming out of lockdown.

[@longevitydrakomusic6275]

For real doe

[@zurizoraya8672]

@@robertmoray988 O_o. . . wtf, are you slow? What about his statemented seemed unreasonable and something to make a mockery of? Its not a surprise that people living in disparity do desperate and extreme things to survive. You're obnoxious. Their mindset isn't the same as rich kids who do bad things for fun. Most people in those kinds of situations actions are based on their lack of options or their perceived lack of options.

[@andresreboiro4546]

10/10 I'm a straight up conservative and this is the approach I've been preaching for. Not hating the police and fighting against the system but working on changing the deep rooted issues within it

[@tehoverlord7496]

how’d that work for Dorner?

[@jayanimations494]

The police and “system” is the deep rooted issues within

[@MrHurch]

Crowd of onlookers behaving horribly, Obese rich kid shows up to criticize how the police handle a job he would never do himself. Low energy. Sad.

[@fxh2693]

Is the Media Altering Our Perception of Crime? Of course it is, just not in the way Zeke thinks. Take 11:32 for example... "What causes this type of crime?" The answer, "White supremacy!" Cleveland had black mayors from 1990 to the present (save for 4 years of Jane L. Campbell), a current black mayor, 6 of the nine staff positions in the mayors cabinet are black, a black police chief, 8 black members of the 17 member city council, a black member of the US House of Representatives, 5 of 11 Ohio State House seats... I'm sure I could go on. Unchallenged, clearly unsupportable statements like "white supremacy!" utterly degrade the people's trust in the media. By enthusiastically agreeing with this falsehood, Zeke alters the listeners perception of the causes of crime. Another example from the piece, is Zeke questioning the Newark police chief about the Ferguson effect, beginning at 16:33. Essentially, the Ferguson effect is that police officers, at the lowest levels, are pulling back from doing policework due to fear of becoming the next viral video. That effect is real. It is occurring in every police jurisdiction, especially in large, urban, high crime areas. It is manifest in a number of ways, not just by officers retreating from proactive police work, but from evidence of mass retirements, resignations, and the difficulties in hiring new officers to replace the ones leaving. A police chief is a politician with a badge. Can a journalist reasonably ask a chief of police about the Ferguson effect and expect an honest answer? They must deny that the Ferguson effect is real, or they are admitting that they are a failure at their job. The purpose of journalism is to hold people accountable, especially those in power. In Newark, arrests ending the week of 12/06/20 were down 32% from 2019 (9637 in 2019, 6586 in 2020). See npd.newarkpublicsafety.org/assets/docs/crimestats/cw/20201206.pdf. Arrests for the week ending 12/05/21 were down 25% from 2020 (6586 in 2020, 4931 in 2021). See npd.newarkpublicsafety.org/assets/docs/crimestats/cw/20211205.pdf. All this while violent crime is on the rise. Why not ask a simple question like, "Chief, Newark police arrested 9637 people in 2019 and 4931 people in 2021. Why the decrease? Does this explain the increase in Non Fatal shooting victims from 203 in 2019 to 283 in 2021?" The Ferguson effect is real and is readily apparent in the statistics collected by Newark Police. Zeke doesn't want it to be true, so he hides the truth from his audience. Media alters people's perception of crime not just by the questions they ask, but also by the ones they don't. Zeke, you are the problem.

[@Murphy82nd]

20:21 I think this is a smarter approach than marching around with rifles. I’m not opposed to people being armed to protect themselves. When you go out into a community openly armed you invite a challenge, this happens to the police. More than that if a private citizen is challenged while armed and responds with violence, that may result in criminal charges and at the least an investigation. If the argument is police are too militarized, and I would agree with that, then private policing will encounter the same issues and the same risks.

[@Disciple4life]

16:50 when the data proves a conservative take they say “there’s no consensus”. THERE IS NEVER CONSENSUS.

[@streetrcr986]

they saw us and went inside as a sign of respect lmfao they saw a bunch of black dudes walking around with guns it wasn't cause of respect it was fear and that is 100% how that group works it is based off fear not of respect

[@jdkingsley6543]

Yes they are, and its not just media its social media. So much anxiety and fear hits people when they see mass shootings trending for hours and all the tweets and pics. People forget their thousands of miles away, people forget that events like this are rare and yet we all feel like it can happen to us all the time.

[@melelconquistador]

Same with fires. Like over in Boulder, it got out of hand and burned alot of homes. But that hasn't been the only fire in years. Last year and this year had alot of wildfires that just about impacted everyone's air quality state wide with a drizzling of ash. Two years ago my own neighborhood almost burned down around the fourth of July when a neighbors feild caught on fire. Colorado is a really dry place contrary to the belief that we must be snowed on often. Same with hurricanes and tornados, we expect them to destroy stuff and stimulate the economy through the path of recovery. The news blows it up when it happens at an unusual time and location, as it is expected to not waste a perfectly good tragedy to make sensationalism.

[@Gonzokeywest45]

The business of Fear Mongering

[@whanowa]

No matter what background or ethnicity you have, to me it is terrifying if you form an armed militia and shout around at night with guns drawn. Even if it is supposed to be a positive message. So mind-boggling...

[@SaltNBattery]

Imagine a group of white people walking around saying the same things about themselves. The National Guard would be called.

[@samizdat113]

It's definitely altering our perception of who is committing most of it.

[@pocketlinttreasures33]

I disagree. I think it's obvious who is committing most of it. Come on now...

[@samizdat113]

@@pocketlinttreasures33 It's only obvious if you actually look at the stats and are intellectually honest enough to accept the truth.

[@17libni]

I’m all fairness. Raccoons can be very dangerous. Try cornering a raccoon and see what happens. They’re vicious

[@prestonpowers7376]

Corner it with you red ryder bb gun no issue there

[@benjamite15]

Media is all about engagement. Making you angry is the easiest way. They also never tell of positive things people are doing. No mutual aid. They want you to feel helpless.

[@benjamite15]

Anger and fear make people easy to manipulate.

[@salrodriguez5300]

Haven’t heard a single thing about the Waukesha massacre since last month

[@tech1238]

Reminds me of that movie Nightcrawler. Great movie that was

[@2m7b5]

Yeah that's what I was thinking.

[@corinnek3030]

I was on the fence when it came out and never watched, I'm taking your recommendation!

[@tech1238]

@@corinnek3030 I think you’ll enjoy it! Let me know what you thought

[@dasse8717]

Isn't Vice part of the problem? Its not like they report on positive things......ever

[@WorldlyBudget]

11:35 these people will never take responsibility for their own actions.

[@GegeP1804]

Smh when you do we will, lead the way.

[@WorldlyBudget]

@@GegeP1804 you will never, every immigrant group arriving in the US outperform your group within the first couple years. They are Kenyans and Nigerians, Asians, Latinos which clearly proves your racism claim as nothing but an excuse. Even they don’t like you because, all you do is whine.

[@slothjolly8075]

@@WorldlyBudget “these people” aren’t the ones committing crime and theft and murder….they are patrolling the streets for those who are

[@GegeP1804]

@@WorldlyBudget lol sir, I’m an immigrant and outperform you as well. The thing is, I can see clearly the plight of AA in this country. They have been wronged starting with the no mule and 10 acres of land. It has never been fair or equal for them. Almost every time, they tried to build something it has been tear down. Until the history and the results of this history can be acknowledged I don’t see how it can be worked out. The problem is”y’all” want to ignore and rewrite history, just face what’s been done and see the consequences.

[@GegeP1804]

@Leftists are Naturally Weak now you want to want to step out the subject. I’m talking about the AA that were enslaved in USA, stay on the subject and that’s part of the problem. You all want to do everything else but talk about the current problem staring you in the face.

[@zein9742]

Love to see those brothers and sisters out there doing what they need to in their Cleveland community and props to vice for their great coverage!

[@UsunnTT]

I love how VICE has started doing REAL journalism again during the pandemic, like they used to back in the day. Great journalism!!!!

[@UsunnTT]

@Juu Tuub fok u on aboot m8 name the journalism they havent done thats what am i saying

[@HOWBOXINGWORKS]

Man speaking at 19 minutes I respect very highly, that was the best elaboration of what needs to be done. As a black man in America I commend you for your views on the police

[@Arkile]

What he said was a vague answer really.. who is going to invest into something people see as a risk?

[@HOWBOXINGWORKS]

@@Arkile that’s very true but you have to be realistic about what change can actually happen, and that was the best depiction of a reasonable solution, can’t defund them or get rid of them entirely best to put the money into more effective training and allow people to police themselves in more situations.

[@HOWBOXINGWORKS]

@Leftists are Naturally Weak because we are the most stopped by police in America based on our small population. Meaning we deal with police more often than any other race. When you don’t talk about the elephant in the room the problem doesn’t get solved. Educate yourself. As the race that has to deal with police brutality the most, I think his opinion is very realistic and important for my people to truly see some form of change and be able to live a more normal life.

[@olee_7277]

I wish VICE would focus on things like this. This is great reporting, unbiased like its suppose to

[@jessicanielsen6134]

They are, hence us being here. I totally dig it.

[@billnye8143]

They should make it mandatory for media to release resources found and quoted. If we have to do this for our college essays they should do it for the television watchers. Who knows maybe the will start reading >:-0

[@Murphy82nd]

14:49 How about treating all life as equal? Killing an adult man isn’t better than killing a woman, baby, or elderly.

[@kxn5163]

They don’t care about that they glorify killing each other in music and on the internet all day look at world star hip hop it’s a brutal culture that I don’t want any part of

[@chadstein9457]

4:38 I really sat there asking myself: "What is 'kitohen'?". Then I realized, it said "kitchen"...

[@koalaman9585]

"Crime report from September showed that homicides increased by nearly 30% between 2019 and 2020" . Could that he related to the defund the police movement that started in 2019 which caused massive budget cuts to city's across the nation?

[@kxn5163]

Homicides was even higher in 12 major cities in 2021 mainly defund police cities. Men lie women lie bodies don’t lie.

[@charlo9111]

Love that reporter, his coverage is always so intertaining

[@peachmango5347]

Does the media even use the word "gang" any more or is it moved to the "hate speech" category?

[@vforpresident123]

“He had something in his hands, I wasn’t tryna stop and talk to him” 😭😩🤣

[@MuhammadAliGOAT]

Is this a serious question? it should be a statement.

[@mariomerino9758]

This guy's great always love his pieces

[@sallybites]

no…? He just loves his work…sorry you can’t understand why someone would be passionate about that

[@alexill]

I’m concerned about his weight. His gut is huge.

[@sallybites]

@@alexill nice! What a cool and nice thing to say :)

[@jessesimisky8856]

"Wow man! There's no crime out here! It's all the media's fault." -safe chubby white guy.

[@TheOnlyAvid]

I can tell u having lived in both Newark and the city of cleveland they are two much different police forces. Props to the Newark police from my experience with them they were always homies and cared about people’s safety. In Cleveland ur getting ripped out of the car and a gun pointed at ur head plain and simple

[@jordanfstop]

Yeah, it was also pretty impressive to hear the Newark Director of Public Safety even say "when George Floyd was murdered." I think if all police forces had a dude like this, things could definitely start turning around.

[@schmal911]

8:00 This is a very convenient stance to take when: a) you're not the one having eggs thrown at you, and b) you are not obligated to uphold the law. Also, unless you somehow have proof to the contrary, standard procedure is to notify the property owners or managers whenever a forced entry is made -- and yes, the cops will stand guard there until someone arrives to repair the damage.

[@analyticalmindset]

@@xian4812 yup has cop cars in his or her banner lol

[@trapkoda]

This has to be the funniest video vice has ever put out

[@kari548]

And this is why everyone is on edge ready to cause an actual crime

[@markngure4963]

Shoutout to vice for coming up with these stories. They do a great job

[@Arkile]

Another vice story where people who are committing crimes are let off the hook with excuses

[@ghostrapper2239]

14:49 - "We just want to create the climate where certain things just aren't acceptable in our culture anymore. Shooting a baby, harming our women, harming our elders, robbing people, like...we're gonna change the climate for that to where that's not acceptable. You do things like that in our community, you're public enemy number one." I want to live in a place like that.

[@WhiteJameson24]

An armed group walking around trying to deter crime? It’s almost like increasing a police presence might work but instead people are crying to defund the police. 🤦‍♂️

[@kxn5163]

The same people saying police are militarized are the same people walking around with rifles

[@squidlipssupreme168]

@@kxn5163 they'll end up shooting themselves

[@kxn5163]

@@squidlipssupreme168 lol exactly

[@chaotickreg7024]

It's like citizens are capable of policing themselves when given the chance.

[@WhiteJameson24]

@@chaotickreg7024 yea, that worked real well in Portland 😂

[@paranoidhumanoid]

I'm safe and sound here in Japan. No mass shootings. No assaults. No religious fanatics. No armed unpatriotic militias. No homelessness. No trash or potholes on the streets. No obesity. No illiteracy. No low class neighbors to call the cops on. 😂

[@tonylvez]

just lots of suicide

[@tressietes04]

How many black ppl live in Japan?

[@Vet0714]

@@tressietes04 🤣😂🤣😂

[@drbs2850]

"No religious fanatics" *Aum Shinrikyo has entered the chat.*

[@Nihilnovus]

Oh snap Vice is finally asking the real questions

[@beamworthy4134]

They were good until the end of 16'beginning of 17'. Even if they are OK now. It's probably just to build trust so they cann fb wallstreet journal and msnbc you later. Remain skeptical and real

[@EvilVacuum]

@@beamworthy4134 consumers should be skeptical of any and all media sources. Humans are inherently biased and when outside money is needed to function, bias is bound to be attached somehow.

[@nalokitten]

About damn time...I'm actually surprised people decided to bring this up because it's medias big secret. I did research for media so I was always annoyed at the difference between reality and the reports. Some towns haven't had a murder in like 40 years but they get big city crime news 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@TheSlizzer348]

Those N.E.C. dudes seem like good guys

[@ceon1347]

My guy driving around Greenpoint at 7pm looking for crime 😭😭

[@pnice494]

I seen them call a lady getting robbed "mostly peaceful robbery".

[@victorlopez-eq3yl]

Thnx guys for your hard honest work..be safe people

[@shanaynay333]

Okaaay Vice. I'm seeing you over there. Finally pulling it out of the mud. 🙌

[@K20rotrex]

Yes even people going 5/10 mph over the speed limit are called dangerous criminals in the paper.

[@MeEntertainmentJo_876]

I really hate this piece. I don't know how 20 years ago we talked about it and how this year alone I lived it, but of course crime is higher than what the stats say. Earlier this year someone broke into my car and stole a couple of gym bags. I went to make a police report on it, and they told me that they were not going to take a report unless I was going to turn it into insurance. Because I didn't know if replacing those windows was going to be more expensive than my deductible, I did not file a report. Hence the crime I suffered was not reported and isn't included in any crime stats. A couple of months ago the San Francisco chronicle posted a story about how there was a sudden spike in crime all due to one target location in San Francisco Bay: it turns out that that one location changed how it was reporting crimes, but to all the employees there there was no abnormal amount of crime. The spike was just normal everyday business but finally being reported properly. 20 years ago there was a television show by David Simon called "the wire." One of the first things they covered was how police will juke the stats in order to make crime look lower, and thereby make their compstat numbers for politicians. So I lived the situation where the crime that was committed against me went unreported, and 20 years ago we had a journalist turned TV producer writing episodes about the same thing, and now we have the San Francisco chronicle reporting that there's something suspicious about the official numbers coming out of the police department, and yet we keep having story after story whether it was on vice or vox about how maybe the media is just making us all feel like this more crime.

[@itheuserfirst3186]

The quickest way to get authoritarian politicians elected is to be soft on crime during rises in crime.

[@julyzum3]

Vice, never disappoints.

[@justinwalker615]

And they needed 20 cop cars 20 officers for some egg throwers

[@Socomnick]

Naw they were there for a shooting the egg throwing was after.

[@Mulerider4Life]

I didn't know Vice was going to make an Autobiography about itself.

[@Liqoh]

this is one of the main reasons why i don’t watch the news, ignorance is bliss