Is the (Misc)Fortune Worth a Buy?

[@Guardian_Templar]

I didn't get a chance to talk about components or other things, but I wanted to focus on some initial testing on a head to head with the Vulture and Fortune. For example, the Fortunes components are bigger but also appear to be more vulnerable and if it goes down, you would need to have a spare. Whereas, the Vulture has smaller but redundant components.

[@Kyrra_Storm]

I managed to get 41 SCU in one trip in the Fortune. I got it mostly cause it’s smaller than the Vulture and can fit in my Polaris with a fighter. I liked the feature that auto prints boxes while you’re salvaging. It’s nice to be able to keep salvaging for longer without needing to get up in a smaller ship

[@Guardian_Templar]

Agree, I need to test if that auto printing makes up for the single salvage head.

[@Spacepollo7548]

How did you do it I got 33

[@robertmandl9326]

@@Guardian_Templar There´s not much to test here. Math can help you out, at least roughly. So the Vulture takes about 1:05 for 2 scu. The Fortune takes 2:00. This means that the 13 scu buffer will be filled in the Vulture after roughly 7 minutes while the Fortune takes about 13 minutes. At this point the Vulture pilot has to empty the buffer to continue - this takes around 5 minutes, give or take a minute and including walking to the cargo area and back. So by the time the Vulture pilot has completed clearing the buffer and can continue the Fortune should be done with scraping as well while having no need for the pilot to eject boxes manually as the ship handles this for them. So, by a rough estimate based on observation and experience both ships take about the same amount of time to fill up their buffers once and empty them, safe for one scu if we go by space available on the (main) grid on both vessels. It gets interesting on the second load - the Vulture again takes the lead during scraping while the Fortune now can´t auto-empty anymore. If the Fortune wants to use its extra 4 scu on the elevator this takes extra time; it also extends the carrying capacity for one run. If you fill up both ships as much as you can the grand total of scu in the Vulture comes to 39 scu. The Fortune seems to have more space available internally but its a bit harder to load up thus taking more time; the maximum cargo amount here is supposedly up to 47 scu. So one can say that the Vulture is, for a solo pilot, the faster working vessel, though not by a large margin; especially when you factor in possible travel delays as the Vulture has less quantum fuel than the Fortune and thus theoretically has to refuel more often / can´t travel the same distance in one go as the Fortune can. If you add in a friend with a second ship for extended cargo capacity the pot goes probably to the Fortune. The boxes coming right to the outside makes it easy for a buddy to pluck them off and load them aboard their ship while the helper for the Vulture would have to get on board and activate the printer first, as well as reactivate it if it should stop. Also worth noting here is the fact that the Fortune is a way easier fit aboard a 890 or Polaris, thus also saving some time if one (or a team) uses this combo. This turns into a big win for the Fortune when you load 2 of them onboard a Polaris. It´s tight, but they fit in. For 2 players this is overall the better solution than using Polaris or 890 with a Vulture - the Vulture is as fast as both Fortunes but they sport more carrying capacity combined and are a bit easier to unload to their carrier ship. In conclusion it really does come down whether you prefer sleek comfort or raw power. Both ships are surprisingly close to eachother in their performance, only the workflow is different. This also validates the price for the Fortune, as I personally consider both ships to be almost equal in the sum of their abilities. The final choice comes down to how you (want to) play. Personally I actually got rid of the two Vultures I had (for my wife and me) and replaced them with two Fortunes. Combined with the aforementioned Polaris we got ourselves an awesome package. Will be interesting to see how this plays out once the Idris-P hits live and how many of those ships can fit the hangar of that vessel, for group salvaging operations. Btw, I´m not ignoring the Reclaimer - this is just about comparing the small salvagers. Though it would also be interesting to see how a Reclaimer stacks up here, having vast storage and the ability to crack larger ships but also being dreadfully slow to operate.

[@robertmandl9326]

@@Spacepollo7548 Clever but time-consuming loading, I´d say. The doors inside are a bit of a joykill but the Fortune is remarkably spacious for a ship its size.

[@Spacepollo7548]

@@robertmandl9326 yeah I just stick with the outside grid I don't really just stick to one game loop but it is spacious and yeah the door are a joykill

[@lifes2short4bs73]

I'll stick to my Vulture. It's all around more versatile. You can put a MULE or a CSV in the back. Go be a loot goblin in bunkers or Distribution Centers all while scraping destroyed ships that you find along the way. just leave the SCM in the buffer

[@markomatic1967]

I have always been nervous about going into the hold of the vulture to dispense boxes. You have no way of knowing if someone is approaching to kill you. Being able to stay in the pilot seat ready to run is a big plus for me.

[@billkranz8035]

You also stole my idea but I do forgive you. Game on my man.

[@AlexanderMielchen]

You could use gimbal mode, makes it more precise and responsive to movement as the arm and head are gimbaled, so you don’t have to move the entire ship around all the time.

[@Guardian_Templar]

@@AlexanderMielchen yeah, I haven’t used that since like 3.21 or 3.20. I’ll have to give it a try again. I liked it a lot when I first started then it seemed to change and the range seemed lower.

[@DownBadPK]

​@@Guardian_TemplarI came to say this. Way less input using gimbal.

[@DirtyIobster]

@@DownBadPK all of you stole my post...

[@thundertrp]

I honestly think that the Fortune was made with fleet gameplay in-mind. Auto-print boxes on the sides and have your friends actively remove boxes as you print them and tractor them into a 2nd cargo ship to keep salvaging for long periods of time without having to worry about cargo capacity.

[@Wayne72LEVRAI]

The buffer size of the Vulture is the same, so the short time you gain with the outside grid is lost by having only one head against two (take only around 2m30s to print you entire buffer of the Vulture and to stock your cargo on the grid or around it). Even if the pilot is the one who do it for your friend to take it after, it will still be a lot faster with a vulture. I don’t think that the Fortune will stay like this, he will probably be upgraded (double cargo capacity outside is easily achievable or take the salvage head to the next size).

[@trinzania]

U know u cn open the back door while u print ur boxes out in vulture for ur friends to tractor them out too

[@LittleDevilsbabby]

We fit i believe 37 in one run with just the vulture... idk if the Fortune can do that tbh

[@BaneSIlvermoon]

​@Wayne72LEVRAI don't think I understood part of this. "Even if the pilot is the one to do it" To do what? The selling point to me for the Fortune is that you never have to mess with the buffers at all. You just hit the auto print button before you leave the hanger, and then go salvage until you're full. Never get out of the pilot seat the entire trip. I usually salvage in a Reclaimer, but this works better for me when I'm solo, will eventually fit well in my Odyssey, maybe with room to land something else next to it, and it discourages me from spending 4 hours salvaging like I sometimes end up doing with the Reclaimer.

[@Flufficatfish]

My favorite part about the fortune is not having to get out of the seat while salvaging. Especially in Pyro. I had it a couple days ago that while I was moving boxes around in the vulture I started being attacked by npc ships… I luckily was able to get back to the seat in time to dip out, but with the fortune, I don’t have to move boxes around until I’m safe in my hangar

[@smnio]

Great info. Would be interested to see how they compare time wise over a full run - from leaving the hangar to selling a full load at tdd.

[@Guardian_Templar]

@@smnio I was thinking about pulling out a HH and seeing how long it takes till load each of them up

[@matthewkaye722]

I did it and im about 15 minutes faster in the vulture compaired to the fortune running the same amount of cargo

[@Wayne72LEVRAI]

Managing cargo containers inside the Fortune is a pain in the A… 😅

[@matthewkaye722]

One of two things will make it worth the price point. Either make the head scrape faster or make a second despenser in the back so you dont have to eva to fill those last 4 boxes just move them how you would in the vulture. Otherwise your paying the same for less

[@vanberg3625]

did that yesterday, they are both full at about the same time. vulture with 39 scu and fortune with 25 scu farming at yela belt

[@ThornedLily]

From the Q&A: "From internal testing, we found that an additional 18 SCU can be placed in an unsecured manner within the ship itself. This is in addition to the 12 SCU external cargo grids, the small 4 SCU grid on the rear cargo lift, and the filler station’s internal buffer, which is currently 13 SCU." That said, I really think that once you're going outside the cargo grid the Fortune is gonna lose any time it gained from not having to unload that first time through. I think personally, I'd treat it as if it's got a 25scu buffer and zero cargo grid, just fill up once (including letting it auto unload) then head back to station and not mess with having to leave the ship to pack in the extras, probably wouldn't even bother with the extra 4 on the internal grid if I'm being honest. But that's me, and based on everything I've seen the Vulture is gonna continue to be my preferred salvager. I like the aesthetic better, I like the double heads (even if it's not working out as a true double speed), I like the internal storage so I can do everything in relative comfort, and most importantly I exclusivle do salvage only when I'm truly solo and the Vulture simply feels safer to me. We all know how much Drake values safety and comfort!

[@qutatron]

Even assuming both ships work at similar rates, the Vulture is faster, has better maneuverability, and lower signatures, making it a better choice for solo salvagers. The Fortune's small size and external cargo grid make it a better choice as part of a salvage fleet. I can imagine in the future Ironclad with 1 or 2 Fortunes on board as a decent salvaging squad.

[@Guardian_Templar]

Very much agreed, I generally like the look of the Drakes too, which I think you share in. I’m a bit bias against Misc but that’s usually because of the letterbox view.

[@qutatron]

@@Guardian_Templar I hate letterbox cockpi. Misc is weird manufacturer. When you buy their ship you either see nothing (freelancer/starlancer) or you see everything (Prospector/Reliant/Fortune).

[@okumakamizu3030]

Spread heads just enough so they so they don't touch. Position ship, so the part/ship is vertical the longest paths and you're at either end. Decouple flight mode. Activate scraping. Tap up or down. When got to end, turn the ship slightly and tap tap to run in the opposite direction. This way, you can esc/mobi and do something in another window, especially if running multiple monitors.

[@Guardian_Templar]

I actually haven’t tried that out yet. Will definitely have to try that out, makes sense.

[@okumakamizu3030]

@Guardian_Templar I'm telling you, I'll smoke a fortune in a vulture while sipping tea and eating cookies and watching something.

[@matthewkaye722]

My testing between the two from take off to selling the cargo i can get more per hour from the vultcher. For the same price tag it needs to be similar. If you want to buy a salvager get the vultcher, same price and better.

[@mustrumridcully3853]

I tried the Vulture and just dont like the manual work involved.

[@matthewkaye722]

@mustrumridcully3853 thing is you get even more manual work involved when unloading the fortune so your still doing it! Just at different intervals.

[@Tainted-Soul]

nice thanks for this info / review and for adding the info on the Liberator. very tempting

[@Guardian_Templar]

@@Tainted-Soul I remain hopeful the Vulture will fit too on the small bad but I just recall this below statement from the Liberator Q&A The upper landing pads support ‘XS’ ships, which includes most single-seat combat ships (Aegis Sabre, Anvil Hornet and Arrow, etc.) and other single-player ships such as the MISC Prospector.

[@chriscray9305]

With Gimbal heads active the Fortunes head doesn't move as much or as quick as the Vulture. I had to move the ship much more to cover the same area. The fortunes speed is a bit slower, but also I was using the stock cinch head. Additionally there was an error after filling the grid. It continued to fill the buffer, but the UI also showed the port being blocked and the UI wasn't as easy to read. One other note, the elevator has a 4 SCU grid.

[@JS-wt8vf]

You have both Vulture salvage heads focused on the same spot. This doesn't give you 2x salvage speed do to internal efficiency losses related to salvage head bandwidth. It is better to spread them out and cover twice the area with the same speed. At that point, the Vulture should be close to twice the speed of the Fortune. Precision comes down to not using gimbal mode on both ships which gives you much better control than your thrusters especially when using a binary input like a keyboard. Great video as usual.

[@Hermieoth]

If the focus is solely on earning credits to make such a comparison, I think the experience is lost. Of course you also get the ship to earn credits, but I think the strength of the Fortune is that it can be a little more versatile. I use the Fortune as a basis for my repairs and all that stuff. Because it is smaller than the Vulture, it also fits in some other ships.

[@DanakarEndeel]

I really think CIG should have given the MISC Fortune a larger salvage head like 1xS2 versus the Drake Vulture with 2xS1. You just lose too much for the minimal 'convenience' CIG claims you're getting. If CIG had given it a single S2 head it could have increased the speed somewhat. Not to the point of being faster than 2xS1 but it would at least be better. Having double the heads+modules on the Vulture is just better imo. Atm the (mis)Fortune just feels too expensive for $175 and at that price you're better off just keeping the Vulture.

[@Guardian_Templar]

@@DanakarEndeel agreed, unless you have a specific reason the Vulture is worth keeping

[@DanakarEndeel]

@@Guardian_Templar Yeah. If CIG had sold the Fortune at $150-$155 I think it would have worked out better; but asking the exact same price as the Vulture when the latter is superior in pretty much every way (capacity/speed/agility/signature) you'd be really hard pressed to take the Fortune over the Vulture at this point imo. Maybe a case could be made for having Fortunes in a fleet where other ships can collect the boxes on the side but the way I look at it the Vulture is still the superior choice for the solo miner.

[@matthewkaye722]

@DanakarEndeel yep, im melting my fortune as soon as i get a buy back tolken and buying back my vulture. Its superior in every way in my opinion!

[@jeremylozier7339]

Cool comparison! Thank you.

[@ilyich333]

So, where is the box animation, shown in the commercial? What's with the popping up. What about the fidelity?

[@Guardian_Templar]

@@ilyich333 it’s space magic, yeah the animation is pretty wack

[@IrituL1776]

For the same reason that the boxes just appear and snap in on the Hull C when auto loading at a station. It's just how they have the animation set up at the moment. That being said, I have no idea and not heard if this animation will change in the future or not.

[@AquatikJustice]

I was able to fit 48 in the Fortune. 6 in the bedroom area (3 stacks of 2) 5 in the depot control hallway 6 unsecured in the elevator room (2 rows of 3 across) 4 on the elevator grid 12 on the outside grids 13 in the buffer 2 printed but blocked from exiting the depot It took significantly more time/work to do that than fitting 39 in the Vulture, however. And at the same price point, I just don't think it's worth it. It's a nice ship, though. And I like that the front window doesn't gear that wear and tear/scratches layer on it after a couple of outings like in the Vulture

[@Guardian_Templar]

Yeah the Vulture’s windshield needs a defroster or something.

[@Mechwarrior3025]

Thank you for the accurate comparison of fortune and vulture. The fortune's increased em and ir signature is often seen as a disadvantage and that it is slower. on the other hand, it is clearer, more automated, easier to access and smaller (7.5m shorter). i love the vulture and also the reclaimer but for smaller tours in largely safe areas i also like the fortune very much. it also fits perfectly in my polaris hangar, plus a prospector. i just thought the price was a bit too high, they should have charged 150 dollars at most. well, let's hope they don't come up with the idea of nerfing the vulture in the next patch.

[@Dracounguis]

I always hated having to go down in the Vulture and move the boxes. So I really like the Fortune's automatic system. Even if having one scraper head means it's a bit slower in collecting.

[@mustrumridcully3853]

Exactly this ^^^^^ 🙂

[@calpin_dk]

Thanks for this comparison. There's been a bug (not sure if it's still present) where salvaging with the Vulkan renderer is way slower than salvaging with Directx 11 as the selected renderer. This might be worth investigating as well.

[@josephvick8212]

Has anyone mentioned that when hitting g it puts the head in gimble mode and seems to help precision.

[@jaymayhem8346]

Hit G and gimbal the heads instead of moving the ship around helps a lot with the overlap on the vulture. I like both ships honestly but I am leaning more towards the Fortune after salvaging all day yesterday. Yeah it may take a little longer to do the actual salvaging but the cargo setup is way nicer to deal with instead of going up and down the ladder in the vulture hand moving crates. I mean you are hand moving crates in the ship then hand moving crates to the elevator in your hangar it just feels tedious where this ship you just really move them to the elevator once and can stay in the seat for the most part actually doing salvaging.

[@Guardian_Templar]

@@jaymayhem8346 yeah, I’ll have to give gimbal another go in the next test.

[@billkranz8035]

@@Guardian_Templar I've also had issues with the Vulture's hopper output locking up and having to hit the eject button again.

[@mennnok]

May be the distance to the panel as well. I would use gimbal mode btw. Vulture is better I guess.

[@Guardian_Templar]

@@mennnok yeah, it’s definitely better but I’ll try and see if I can get that 2X speed. Or, atleast try to get it more consistently

[@ZyvhurStudios]

Great video man!

[@Guardian_Templar]

@@ZyvhurStudios hey Zyvhur, thanks for checking it out! I still need to check out your Fortune upload from today.

[@ScarredCitizen]

Im not super into industrial stuff, but I was hoping for a lot lower price tag.

[@Guardian_Templar]

@@ScarredCitizen yup, I though even at the prospector price it would be high. ShipFlation is getting out of hand.

[@ScarredCitizen]

@@Guardian_Templar the ship prices are way too high. Then again I have a very different opinion on what they should be priced.

[@Guardian_Templar]

@ I’ve always thought atleast cut in half but really more than that in the long run

[@ScarredCitizen]

@@Guardian_Templar definitely agree on that.

[@Guardian_Templar]

@@ScarredCitizen I saw a bit of your D2 stream, I DLed that the other day again just to try it out, but ended up cheating a bit and using a character editor

[@sirtaylor2569]

BRO MOVES HIS WHOLE SHIP TO WORK THE PANEL WTH

[@chriscray9305]

The fortunes head doesn't have much range in gimbal mode. I tried last night and you have to move your ship around quite a bit to finish one panel. hopefully this is an oversight by CIG and will be fixed, if not this ship is dead.

[@spara01]

It kinda sounds like it is worth making the switch. The scrape time is similar, it can hold almost as much as the vulture, and you don't have to take time and stack all the boxes. ALSO, most of the boxes are on the outside, so it is easy to unload. My only question is, can it make construction material? In not it would make the fortune a dedicated RMC ship, where as the Vulture can flex between scraping and handyman work when that releases. The Vulture could turn into a ship for those who like Handyman contracts.

[@arcadealchemist]

Wonder if a vulture can work with a trawler and cinch combo

[@Ickli]

Is the Fortune mfd visor absurdly bright for you when in a darker area of space? I can’t see asteroid fields because it blooms out my character’s night vision.

[@Guardian_Templar]

I haven’t noticed that yet tbh, but that wouldn’t surprise me with how lighting is done in this game.

[@_Brando_69]

Really want like a medium salvage ship. Something between vulture and the Big guy

[@TheeKevlarDucky]

I think to get Max efficiency you do have to do a slight offset spacing with the Vulture. Also, this is personal preference, gimballed mode really comes up clutch with the Vulture I'm. Takes out some of the wonkiness by not moving the whole ship. Vulture c/SCU rate should absolutely be able to hit 2.9-3.2 at all times. Watching the Fortune, it was all over but looked like it mainly hit around 1.4-1.6 which is spot on to half of what the Vulture does. I still think increasing the buffer by a good bit is the play for CIG to help offset it's price vs profit/hr. Also, if convenience is the big selling point, you should be able to kick boxes out from the pilot's seat.

[@Guardian_Templar]

@@TheeKevlarDucky yup, I don’t see any reason why they shouldn’t bring that same convenience to the Reclaimer and Vulture. For me the biggest thing is the repetitive injury issue with a lot of the SC tasks they want us doing. They have the metrics…we’re getting older and the continued delayed release isn’t helping.

[@TheeKevlarDucky]

@Guardian_Templar that's a very great point. The ATLS made it so easy to just point and click. I really wish dedicated cargo ships had this capability. There's no reason the Hill A shouldn't have a tractor beam imo.

[@Guardian_Templar]

@ yup, automation will become more common in the future, hopefully CIG will too.

[@GalironRunner]

I have a vulture but still upgraded my storm tank to this due to my lazyness of not wanting to get out and make the boxes lol

[@Accuracy158]

I wasn't really expecting two heads to perfectly translate to 2x speed. The results are pretty much what I was expecting. But it does seem you spend more than enough time scraping to make up for all the time you are sitting and waiting for the box dispenser in the Vulture? 🤔

[@UNBE4R4BLE]

2x fortune would fit in the Polaris I like both the ships tbh

[@Guardian_Templar]

Yup or the option to run the Fortune and Prospector

[@robertmandl9326]

@@Guardian_Templar An interesting combo, for one could go for some panels or shipwrecks and also pick up some ores on the way. I think this is also something that should factor into whether or not the Fortune is worth her money. Min/maxing is, contrary to some people, not everything that determines worth, at least not when said people only ever look at the base functions.

[@Dugauntlet]

Something I haven't seen talked about so far does the Fortune have a small fabricator like the Vulture does? While I feel it doesn't really matter at the moment with how the game plays, I feel like it could be an advantage if the vulture has it and the Fortune doesn't.

[@D4RKMA7TER]

why are you not using gimbal mode?

[@Dracounguis]

Even though the Vulture has two heads, I wouldn't think it would be twice as fast. Just because both of those heads are working in the same area so there's a bit of overlap. That's my prediction. Now I'll watch the video. 😆 Edit: Cool, I was right! 👍

[@agamingpotato]

your testing should have been in gimbled mode, it would be more precise and you would have less wasted scraping area.

[@Guardian_Templar]

@@agamingpotato I’ll give that a go next test. Going to try and test them both against the clock on the same ship.

[@josephvick8212]

I was disappointed in the fortune. I was hoping it would be a middle ship between the vulture and reclaimer. Maybe something in the 40 to 60 scu capacity./ With the nerf on price of RCM a middle ship would make the trips more worth it.

[@Guardian_Templar]

Agreed, would have much rather liked to have seen a ship between the Vulture and Reclaimer before getting competition between either of them.

[@asaraphym802]

at the same time you are not factoring in the time it takes to unload the cargo from the vulture from storage and put it on the grid....just scraping speed....2mins for the Fortune for the small panel, and prob 3-5mins for the vulture after making the boxes

[@orphan5919]

the song in the end pls ???

[@StarryKnight-Adcjen]

They kept it the same price as the Vulture to prevent ppl using it as a CCU to the Vulture

[@Rippityrip]

great video

[@Guardian_Templar]

Thanks for checking it out!

[@trinzania]

Lower price tag is the only justified point for getting the fortune like a starter salvager.

[@DanakarEndeel]

But both ships are the same price of $175. Or did you mean the temporary warbond discount?

[@vanberg3625]

salvaged with a friend yesterday, vulture and fortune. both where full at the same time. Vulture with 39 scu and fortune with 25 scu. salvage speed of fortune is kind of unfortunate

[@GalironRunner]

Its likely as you think overlapping doesnt speed up the process. Thisis likely how the game handles rcm ie it only is a thin layer meaning it isnt a stacked resource vs a resource node like a roid for mining would be so any given small spec the laser hits is only considered a singular thing so theres nothing to split between the vultures 2 salvagers.

[@Dracounguis]

You need to do a test where you are not cramming boxes everywhere. Just stick to the cargo grids and the internal hopper. I wouldn't be surprised if the Vulture's faster scraping is balanced out by the Fortune's auto-stacking. And then when you get to a hangar the Fortune's auto-stacking will come in clutch versus having to manually do the Vulture do empty the internal hopper. 🤔 Need to see how long the entire collection and deposit cycle takes.

[@Lampislife]

Got one for 125$ with an lti token just for a CCU chain to a carrack ex. Or and odyssey

[@OnlineObsessionista]

CIG really screwed with the price. The price has to be under 100 considering 1 arm and less cargo space

[@rubencaixeiro9762]

wait until the next price revision, Vulture will go up in price not the Fortune going down...

[@mustrumridcully3853]

Sorry, that's just wrong. A Prospector should be the base line expectation as it's a variant - then look at the Vulture - if it turns out to be broadly similar in performance, it's going to be similar in price. Expecting under $100 for a starter industry ship is at best, very deluded. You are also buying convenience with autofill panels.

[@OnlineObsessionista]

@@mustrumridcully3853 well, I don't beliythere there has to b soo high price to enter the salvage game loop

[@rubencaixeiro9762]

@mustrumridcully3853 let's face it, we don't need to spend real money to buy the latest ships. We can wait until they are available in the PU

[@OnlineObsessionista]

@rubencaixeiro9762 you mean like vulture which is still not rentable and you have to grind to afford salvage?

[@alphawolfgang173]

the vulture is just better in every way. only 12 on the rack? thats pretty lame. if they made it like 36 then i would consider it.

[@ArcticGamez]

please for the love of god use the salvage head gimble stop moving the whole ship around also the fortune can do 39 SCU of RMC

[@DirteeBloo]

Ill just wait and get one in game when it hits. Not worth pledging.

[@PyrealRabbit]

👍

[@xiuhtezcatl8161]

stop saying maybe this maybe that. just tell it as is mann

[@okumakamizu3030]

Why didn't you spread vulture beams a lil? And change the technique a lil?