Is the Monster Hunter Rise Sunbreak Paid DLC a slippery slope? All Lost Code Weapon Skins

[@CapnShades]

I would say I wouldn't care and it's a "vote with your dollar" kind of situation, but I'm also concerned since Rise's previous event quest rewards have been unimpressive thus far. Best to be careful about giving them that inch without the assurance that this won't become the norm.

[@kaytenki]

Feels like they are testing the waters in the this game, to see how far they can push, so slowly doing more dlc things that was free or event before. Of course with sunbreak, the game have a ton of content already, but those DLCs are something never done before, so what's gonna be the next thing they'll try making into paid DLC?

[@camil3545]

Rise did have a pretty messed up development cycle though, its still early in Sunbreak's post-launch support so hopefully they can provide some good events and rewards by the end of the support period.

[@MrTerrorzone2012]

Agree and disagree I still love some of the event stuff we got in Rise. But in World and heard about games before that (never played them) they where better. And atm I think it's all fine, but do agree that we should let know that they shouldn't go any further. Kind of a new MH fan but been loving Capcom games since the SNES era and still don't trust them, they fucked over Resident Evil and lot of other fans from their games for a long time

[@subyouwont]

Amaterasu event best event

[@pioneershark2230]

@@subyouwont that's kinda depressing, if that's the best one

[@Rustian0]

i love the designs for these weapons so much, however. it is a little sad that these are paid for. as much as i want these skins, i'm not sure if i want to support this sort of thing where layered armor and weapons are bought instead of earned. there too many event quests that give stickers,poses titles. those should be in the store rather then the layered armor and weapons. this is just me though

[@jofelchristianbasilio3982]

@@TheSasukefire11 I agree if people stop pointing out the downside of this route that monster hunter is taking it’s only a matter of time when players spend less hours playing the game. I find it funny that MHWI has less focus on micro transactions and more on in game content despite being a live service, while MHRS is supposed to be a game you can take on the go which usually means that it should have more engaging content since the focus is offline play it would be better if the event gave rewards that were the same quality as previous games did.

[@williamelliott186]

@@jofelchristianbasilio3982 literally tried explaining mhw was live service into an expansion and the old games and rice are supposed to be stand alone handhelds and I keep getting pushback, this issue is getting out of hand

[@jofelchristianbasilio3982]

@@williamelliott186 The people giving you pushback don’t seem to understand that handheld titles most of the time are played offline so with that being said these games should be the one focused on in game content to get the most out of it. The thing is most people argue that these dlc sales will go to fund the game which isn’t really true because the developers get their money from how well the game sells while the dlc cash goes to Capcom, also I find it funny that world had less dlc despite being live service while rise has more being a handheld. Just to get better understanding the monster hunter franchise is similar to the souls franchise from fromsoftware let me explain both these games were very unique when they first came to consoles people didn’t like them at first but after playing them for so long they ended up being the so popular they created a new genre of games every dev team wanted to make a souls game and a monster hunter game, my point for this comparison is that both these games share one thing they didn’t really rely on micro transactions aside from expansion dlcs the reason people don’t mind expansions is before we had to rebuy the game with the expansion but now we can buy it by itself but the point I’m getting at is the true value of a game is what’s already in the game not what we can buy for it.

[@williamelliott186]

@@jofelchristianbasilio3982 I agree, its just so strange, so many people really think those games where no different, also, good analysis on the dark souls comparison, these games where very cult following heavy, but here we are, famous and knowing there's enough people where even the minority can turn a profit with predatory dlc

[@Gangster0326]

Part of the original reason I like this game series was they gave special stuff for free event quests

[@oscarshedwick4862]

Capcom could introduce event quests with rewards of actual weapons and fun armor sets. Also paradise people did complain about the armor dlc and the lack of event quest rewards which used to provide them. People have been saying since Rise that the uptick in dlc is concerning the reason it's blowing over now is A) Weapon skins are new, and also removing potential weapons from the game. B) Monster Hunter has less good will for it to cash so people are less likely to give them the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't help when content creators such as yourselves go "well no one complained before" when people did, have and will do???

[@DanielisAwesome52]

The money from Paid DLC does NOT go to developers, they get their paycheck regardless and only the executives and company see that extra money. Sunbreak alone made $159,960,000, thats enough to pay quite few salaries right there. The lack of complaints for the armors isn't a positive, because there was only 2 in World/Iceborne and both were preorder/deluxe bonuses, there wasn't room to complain about them, and in Rise they hid them, no announcements on main channels or during large presentations, the Armor skins were just quietly put on the shops where only the whales looking for them would buy them. I think this is too far in the wrong direction. And the problem is that arguing against them is fighting an invisible enemy through the body shield of the developers. Would event weapons been as detailed without paying for it? I think objectively the answer is yes. The problem is there is an executive force preventing that amount of passion. So yes in the dull reality of overpaid executives, paying for these skins is what makes them so detailed. Not because a developer now gets a bigger check and more time to work on them, but because a fat cat gets a fatter wallet and is willing to sign the same check that developer was already getting that month at the same rate.

[@thelostician]

Hey buddy, you forgot companies pay expenses. How much of that 159 million dollars actually turns into a profit… I bet you it’s a lot less than you think it is.

[@smol1211]

I know this is a weird request, but could you write a shortened version of this so I could repost it on Twitter? Of course I'll give you credit. 😁

[@dinomad2010]

@@thelostician Hey buddy, you forgot that these title updates would have already been decided on and paid for in advance, shown by the fact that all the files for the first 2 title updates were datamined from the sunbreak demo (full equipment, stats, monsters etc). It was all already created and in the game. I can assure you, this paid DLC money is NOT going to the developers and towards development of the title updates. You forgot that capcom is a massive company, and monster hunter is now their best selling I.P.

[@CamperN00b47]

@@thelostician How would you estimate realistically the total expenses that Rise/Sunbreak cover? I'm fairly sure it wouldn't surpassed the 30m mark at best. Maybe World did indeed, as that was a huge venture and they needed to go balls-out, but Rise?

[@DanielisAwesome52]

@@thelostician That's actually my point Profit =/= Good. The developers already get their paycheck, any profit made just goes into some faceless CEO or other obscure/private higher up's bank account. Buying paid DLC isn't not what keeps the actual programmers, artists, designers employed. They already get a salary.

[@harrydsgn]

Honestly, at first I didn't really care that it was happening, but the more that I think about it, the more I don't like it. I feel like equipment really is the threshold where things go too far as far as paid DLC is concerned. A layered weapon dances on that line, but it's certainly enough to raise an eyebrow. Stuff like this was a staple of Event Quests in the older games. MH4U's event quests alone are enough reason to believe this should have been included as a reward for a tough quest.

[@Benri05]

These layered could've been tied to a unique monster event that could double as an actual weapon and also be layered, I bet they changed their minds to just sell it straight off and see how the community reacts and by the looks of it, the majority is defending the hell out of it. I think Capcom is on it's way to becoming "Cashcom" again like they were before.

[@trolleycartwheel9409]

Felt like an event quest athal-ka in mhrise:sb would really be cool to get lost code dlc.

[@mesmorrow]

Even without the Lost Code weapon skins there where already more dlc in Monster Hunter Rise compared to Monster Hunter World, kind of surprised people are only now taking a stance, that this was the line in the sand when the signs of a larger focus on dlc have been there almost since the game released.

[@Runawayturist]

My take is, I like the sense of "hey, I got this cause I cleared a hard event." Not so much "Oh, I paid for it." That takes a lot of value when it comes to monhun "worth". The weapons look stunning, but I don't want to pay for weapon skins. THis is not valorant, or CSGO...

[@hotzauhse]

Sadly that's how all games are going to be now.

[@king_eziel]

@@hotzauhse what's extra painful to me is that it works. Gamers pay and pay and pay for these things and there's a profit to be made from it.

[@JamesTheTurnbull]

I gotta draw a line here. These easily could have been event weapons like they used to do. They cannot be that bad off that they have change up the formula for little extra pocket change. I do not like the direction they're going.

[@kaytenki]

They are beautiful and would be great as event, but not worthy as paid dlc. It just shows how paid dlc in this game become more and more a priority, and I'm worried this can get way worse in next future updates and future games

[@TheSuperPlayerify]

seems like they really wanted to make them pop because tee hee pay for it :(

[@mesmorrow]

They don't fit the games general design rules at all, I don't personally like them, they could have fit well in a sci-fi game.

[@xNJAZxUndeadLt]

Definitely should be cheaper or included in event quests. 2.49 each for 14 weapon types is a bit ridiculous. The paid layered armors also should’ve been in event quests & the gestures should be paid in the store.

[@Hydraclone]

Yeah. When I saw that they were both sold individually AND at the price they are at, I was very disappointed. If they were 0.80 each, I may be less salty, but even then... These should have been event weapons. I bought the Swaxe one anyway, because I have zero self control and they look so cool, but they definitely should have just been in the game for free.

[@hotzauhse]

$2.49 for a whole weapon skin? Ok im good they can keep it

[@obscurehuman7309]

My problem is not necessarily the paid dlc but the quality of the weapons skins themselves because before this the skins they sold were nice but not so obviously like more effort than the ones in game were but these weapons even come with custom animations with them

[@Rokvir]

Personally, my biggest fear is that things like these might one day spiral out of control and lead to “if you want this new monster in the game you can buy them in this DLC pack” I don’t think they would really go that far, but if that were to happen, that right there would be the moment I’d drop Monster Hunter for good and never look back, and It’s been my favorite videogame series since Freedom Unite.

[@jasherbelton3039]

I'm right there with you, man

[@trade9137]

Ain't that just sunbreak

[@hamsterman5735]

Let's hope our man ryozo keeps the capcom suits in check. The devs in the mh team are the only thing that's been keeping those sharks at bay, so let's give them the benefit of the doubt

[@songasgapo]

this is actually scary

[@mesmorrow]

Even without the Lost Code weapon skins there where already more dlc in Monster Hunter Rise compared to Monster Hunter World, kind of surprised people are only now taking a stance, that this was the line in the sand when the signs of a larger focus on dlc have been there almost since the game released.

[@ienjoymylife4378]

For me personally, I ply mh to fight the monster that I like and having a cool looking hunter to fight them is also great but paying for this dlc doesn't sit right to me knowing I don't have to pay for it in older mh. Yes, these are more cooler but that just what dev want, make it cooler to justify them selling it. It's not worth it to me

[@BlazeMakesGames]

yeah that's the thing about stuff like this. We've seen this happen so many times with so many other franchises. At first it's just minor cosmetics. Then the cosmetics start getting more common and more elaborate to the point where the stuff in the base game is made worse to incentivize buying the paid cosmetics. And eventually as that gets worse and worse, they start testing the waters for paid gameplay affecting mechanics. And while it is true that the paid armor skins haven't gotten as much attention, it still feels like they're stepping over a boundary here by adding in paid weapons as well. And honestly part of the reason why people haven't complained about armor is probably because they haven't known what the situation was since they (thankfully) don't advertise it in-game. But ever since this weapon set came out I became retroactively upset at the armor situation as well. like World had I think 2 paid layered Armor sets and they were both also pre-order bonuses if I recall correctly. And either way they were sold as a set. Other than that it was stuff like gestures which is whatever imo. But now the DLC situation in Rise is getting frankly disgusting. They sell every piece of an armor set individually now, so when you open up the DLC tab on steam you just flooded with dozens and dozens of MTX for random armor pieces and whatnot. And it gets more annoying when you consider that they have all of these exclusively paid layered armors and now weapons in the game, yet all the Apex monsters never got their own armor sets or weapons. And Most of the event quests now have been relegated to only giving out gestures and stickers that nobody uses. I mean we know they could have been making new armors and weapons for those quests because of the MTX existing, they simply chose not to. And while I understand the argument of MTX helping pay for continued development, that only really works when talking about an actual Live-Service game. Which Monster Hunter is not. Each Monster Hunter generally gets about a year or two of updates and then they move on to the next one. Plus Monster Hunter isn't just a 60 dollar full-priced game, it also has a 40 dollar DLC that most players end up buying alongside it. The way most MTX games tend to shake out is that more than 50% of players never spend a dime on MTX, and another 45% never make more than a single purchase or spend more than 10 dollars or so. Meanwhile with Monster Hunter, going off of sales numbers of World and such, about 50% of players buy the G-Rank DLC which like I said is about 40 dollars. They are already making far more money from just their G rank expansion than most games make from MTX as a whole. Especially on an average per-player basis. Monster Hunter isn't the kind of game that needs MTX to stay afloat and continue development. Not to mention that I'm pretty sure lobbies are player hosted p2p systems so it's not like they even have to maintain huge server banks like an MMO in order to keep the online functionality working. It'd be one thing if we were getting more MTX *and* more layered armor and weapons for free, but we frankly aren't. The only reason they've stepped up their MTX game is because the higher ups want *more* money. Not for any practical reason.

[@niluxumaki7]

The thing is, there are monsters in the rise and sunbreak like all apex and the new risen Chameleos that doesn't have any armor or weapon (Chameleos has armor but no weapons). We have seen that they have enough time and money to create these new and clearly superior paid weapon designs, but for those mentioned monsters there's nothing. Even when the community has asked for them. The feeling is that the DLC content is much superior that the "non premium content" (Rise + Sunbreak) and that's not fair at all because these kind of content use to be the reward of some events in previous games.

[@gleipnirrr]

let's not forget that the armors for stuff like lucent narga, flaming espinas, violet mizutsune, and i think for the metal raths are almost fully recolors, or have one different looking armor piece. it's a shit situation in every way

[@fonfabre29]

Also, don't forget even though they erase the alpha/beta/gamma armor system from world, that doesn't deny the fact that each of those alpha/beta (except gamma) aren't a RESKIN/RECOLOR armor, they got their own unique shape and design. Do i even need to mention safi's armor that literally has 2 form of designs in 1 piece ? LOL risebreak can't even compare.

[@Mare_Man]

@@gleipnirrr Variant armors have always been recolors

[@Mare_Man]

@@fonfabre29 Let's just ignore that 90% of World's weapons are just the same 2 designs with bits of monster glued on I guess.

[@rtiq270]

@@Mare_Man Not even base World was THAT bad, and Iceborne has a lot of very well designed weapons.

[@ciphymasterofmedia9104]

Started seeing this lately in the community, but if you see someone using these weapon skins, DO NOT harass them for it. Whatever your stance is on the weapons, that does not mean you should be an ass towards anyone who bought these skins. We are all still players within the same community. The last thing we should be doing is driving a rift between ourselves because that will not help make this issue any better!

[@Raygone-Talion]

I hear you loud and clear. Let start kicking people out who has the paid weapons.

[@spence6195]

I agree, no one should get harassed for buying the paid DLCs, I've bought a lot of those paid DLCs until this point, it just doesn't feel right buying the new ones

[@subyouwont]

@Ashuras Legacy MH always has discounts in the bundles

[@Melgus]

While I Understand, but this is bad for the game, punishing people for doing bad things for the game makes sense. In some people's heads. I see a code weapon and i instantly think they are a scrub and will die in the quest. I do myself a favour and leave, if they join my quest, i kick them. Go play with other scrubs that dont know how bad this shit is for the franchise.

[@pioneershark2230]

(you can also mod them in)

[@leeboonkang2]

We have been seeing lackluster free collab quests and rewards but when they drop this paid dlc suddenly we can see the effort they put into it. Almost feel like they focus majority of their resources from the free content into the paid content. I believe we are already on a journey to increased paid dlc having more effort and resource put into them and leaving the free rewards bare and its only going to get worst as time goes on is what most people are worried about.

[@mesmorrow]

Even without the Lost Code weapon skins there where already more dlc in Monster Hunter Rise compared to Monster Hunter World, kind of surprised people are only now taking a stance, that this was the line in the sand when the signs of a larger focus on dlc have been there almost since the game released.

[@ANoodleSoup]

Sigh... remember the good old days where all the layered weapons and armour were earned through Event quests?

[@thelostician]

Ah yes the good ol days when layered armor and layered weapons literally didn’t exist. Lmao.

[@kourier_4818]

Layered weapons were added to the franchise as early as 2020.

[@captainsoarineagle]

even better was unique weapons and armor sets with skills

[@cero9391]

Man... layered weapons and armour are basically new in MH franchise...

[@monkeybooger4999]

Yeah yeah he didn't say it right , the point is that the events and rewards now lack the work they used in older titles and then sell you this kind of thing

[@d-tech2223]

For the insect glaive I wish that they would add the option to Hide the insect on your arm, the DLC is actually good for the insect glaive but the insect on your arm kinda takes away from the aesthetic

[@Ebi.]

It starts small and it ends up snowballing quickly. Especially considering designs in Rise were a bit modest compared to World, this being a paid DLC leaves a bitter taste ..

[@gleipnirrr]

yup. and these paid layered weapons aren't even on the level of Safi weapons, so we're definitely not getting safi-quality weapons.

[@fonfabre29]

@@gleipnirrr I bet you they'll release safi's equivalent armor/weapon (those with multiple forms) inside a paid content. Oh wait nvm, that happens already with lost code.

[@Hydraclone]

@@fonfabre29 That doesn't make them Safi-quality weapons.

[@Mare_Man]

Weapon designs in Rise are leaps and bounds ahead of World, what are you talking about?

[@Benri05]

@@Mare_Man armors in Rise are lacking, I'd take 2 armoursets per monster (blademaster/gunner, alpha/beta/gamma) over the single ones today.

[@ReedBariumfox]

not beating around the bush, the armor rewards on Rise+Sunbreak have felt completely underwhelming, with two similar-looking headpieces on Sunbreak, and a majority of the event quests giving stickers, titles and poses. Then we get a drop of cool-looking armor and weapons, and we have to pay for it, instead of puttng in a hard event quest. Yes sure, we got some cool armor as layered, but they feel very much like the exception, in a "you already got THIS much, pay for more".

[@codexastral6279]

I have no problem with some layered weapons being paid dlc, but if they ever make paid dlc monsters, that’s where I draw the line.

[@enderchu3071]

Same here. But I gotta say the sheer amount of weapons and each being paid for separately makes it even more to pay for. Pretty much the amount of a single dlc bundle. So it is getting pretty close to the line. But I'm fine with this until they start making it pay to win

[@spence6195]

If we're not vocal about our stance against paid layered armors and layered weapons we used to get for Event Quests then it's only a matter of time before they lock monsters we get as free title updates behind a paywall

[@enderchu3071]

Damn people are really paranoid

[@lionel7360]

@@enderchu3071 It’s not paranoia, it’s the natural progression of how shit like this goes.

[@navysteel]

Paid monster dlc will ruin monster hunter.

[@javieraguilar2660]

My issue is less that it’s paid dlc and more that lot more of an effort went into this paid dlc then the in game events and that could have Been a stellar event quest rewards which are seriously lacking in rise. The paid layered armor and other paid dlc isn’t good ether those could have been events as well but instead we got stickers, emotes ,and titles ( 2 sets of layered armor and about 10 individual pieces of layered armor and 1 actually set of armor and 2 weapons) I think that sums up all the event I didn’t keep track so if I missed any I’m sorry because most of the rewards didn’t seam worth it while the paid dlc is probably gonna hit the triple digits because each piece is sold separately. I don’t mind paying extra because monster hunter has a proud legacy of delivering far and above what any other developer team would and I’ll admit I did by both deluxe editions and a few of the layerd armors but when I did so I was thinking the events were gonna match the shop in quality and quantity. My main point is I miss the clockwork glave and the magi glave that had a robot bug and fireflies respectively or the ignition boost greatsword or the magi dagger greatsword that transformed when you unsheathed I’ve lost hope that any of which will be coming in rise due to the pandemic

[@frogboss88]

When the point of the game is getting new armor and weapons by killing monsters and crafting, going this direction is really worrying a lot off games started like this with one or two things like this added to the game and are now in full effect to the point that the weapons and armor in the store are so much better that is ridiculous, lets hope they dont go this direction.

[@cjkolbeck8900]

I fail to see how paid layered armor is any different than paid layered weapons

[@tunnel77xx32]

I really like the designs on this layer weapon designs! I've always said this before but a scifi/ futuristic Monster Hunter game would super cool and have so much potential. I also really like the animations, but with praises aside I think it would be fine if this was simply just extra content on top of really great content. Like the designs of the weapons are beautiful in this game but none of them have this kind of effort put in to them and that concerns me. If the weapons in game had unique designs that changes the weapon a bit as they upgrade through the skill tree and had unique animations like this then a DLC like this I think would be okay since its would actually be seen as "BONUS" content. But since that's the not the case I can see why this worries the community and rightly so. Also IMO I don't think paying for layered armour and weapons feels right. Earning it through game and fighting a really cool monster makes cool weapons like this feel worth it. Not paying for it out right.

[@gmusashi_45]

Here's my train of thought. Consumers should not worry about how the devs/producers are doing and making an argument that paid dlc 'supports' the team behind the game. It is always the devs who should make enough effort to improve their game by adding more content into the base game that makes people want to buy and play it. Layered armor/skins/etc. is a whole another topic though, but the main point is us p;layers should not be giving incentives towards the devs just so they can keep pumping content into their game. That is just wrong.

[@MystiInferno]

Keep it out of the game, they're already charging for emotes and other things. There's too much work going into the skins that are paid for. If the skins were only on par with the looks of the weapons. I didn't like the armor skins either. Stop making me pay more and keep paying for actually complete games. Yes, yes it is worse than it use to be, it is objectively worse.

[@spence6195]

Exactly, it would be okay if they charged for gestures, voices and stickers, but now they're locking layered armors and weapons we used to get for Event Quests behind a paywall and expect us to be okay with it, I will NOT be giving them any money even if I can afford the paid DLCs, I used to enjoy the nice cosmetic rewards we got from event quests but now I'm worried that even Collab Events will be added to the Premium Store, or worse, exclusive paid DLC monsters

[@CaIasanctius]

its not a slippery slope, theyre already sliding it down it like its a theme park. the lost code skins look great, and i just wish it could have been an event unlock. the stuff we've received so far, while fun, is absolutely dull to look at. it just feels like the free items are made so the paid items look better. the entire gameplay loop is to kill monsters, get gear, and look good doing it ::rinse repeat::. now what theyve done is essentially put a paywall into that gameplay loop. i just cant believe monster hunter is going in the direction EA is. i dont get this nonsense about dlc's like this funding further development. we funded further development when we paid for the game. Monster hunter was one of those games i could pre-order with the full confidence that the game they put out has the player in mind....not so much anymore. looks like this will just become another title i wait a year after release to see whether or not they f*ck it up. then take moment to see if i even care enough to play it after the hype is over.

[@TheWestopark]

I know right. World was the slippery slope, the microtransactions wasn't as aggressive and the content updates were worthwhile compared to the stuff their doing in sunbreak.

[@sterlingcox4502]

with the recent event quests being unfulfilling, and with paid DLC. I believe that they will continue forward with this trend as they do with many other games. It is the fall of these games and the audience is never happy with it. This will also cause the Devs to not have to put effort to make good looking designs for armor after killing monsters instead they will just let us buy cooler looking appearances making it so that its just about cosmetics an not killing monsters, imagine all the monsters giving us the appearance of a trash can, and then drop a DLC for a armor mod without a event quest. I say revolt towards this.

[@camil3545]

Looking at World's weapon designs, i kind of wonder if at some point they were thinking of literally selling the normal Monster weapon looks as layered DLC.

[@ashokrohan7232]

And the simps will say "it's just cosmetics" Ignoring the fact that cosmetics are a major part of end game monster hunter

[@taigauwu5325]

@@ashokrohan7232 I literally wouldn't buy the next MH game if it had no changing armor and weapon visuals from different monsters. It's on that level of importance for the game.

[@Melgus]

When we get a new monster type , and it doesnt get weapons, and in the same update we get a paywall update, it feels like we got "stolen" content from the main game to get skins. It is not a good thing for the game itself.

[@devonrageyt]

HBG looks and sounds amazing, I like the way the Bow sounds when its drawn as well. I like the DLC its cool, it looks different and it adds a little bit of fantasy to the game.

[@mythos051]

Throughout world and rise they have already been experimenting this paid dlc concept at first it was fine, it was minor cosmetics but as for an entire weapon with a really good skin, I would rather fight an event monster as in traditional monster hunter and there needs to be a line begining with the lost code weapons otherwise there maybe a domino effect were going to be like every triple A game first lost code, then god forbid battle passes on a cool monster to fight

[@mahfujkadir8973]

If we let them do this without some huge community push back, we might get battlepasses or even worse mechanics because if the community is willing to not push back capcom will put it in because its not the games made by the developers but the executives who will use every opportunity to gain more money for themselves, they are a business after all.

[@subyouwont]

One of the things I love about mh is how they don’t time lock events

[@Unchainedful]

I wouldn’t mind a battle pass system, at least doing hunts would reward us for doing any hunt we want, just as long they don’t put a time limit on the battle pass. I don’t want a battle pass that only lasts 2 weeks and then is going forever when I only have 1 week out of the month to actually sit down and play.

[@Hydraclone]

@@Unchainedful I would be fine with battlepasses in any game if they weren't time locked. ESPECIALLY those you pay to get premium access to. That's my main gripe with battlepasses. One of the things Among Us does right. A weird example of a game for it done properly. The Halo collection too. You can progress any of the battlepasses that have been released.

[@mahfujkadir8973]

@@Unchainedful Which wont happen since whenever a battle pass is added its usually meant to force you to log in every day or spending money to get everything so I cant see capcom being a good conpany and just letting it reward us for hunts without them getting their pockets filled

[@hamsterman5735]

I'm not an angry man, but i swear to god, if any of you talk about a monster hunter battle pass as if it were a reasonable option EVER AGAIN, i'll personally find you and gut you like a dead plesioth. NO. JUST NO. SHUSH. BACK TO FORTNITE WITH YOU HEATHENS.

[@MaraMaeMalady]

Love the look of the weapons! I do wish they had added an event where you could aquire these for a decent challenge though.

[@Emmycron]

Absolutely not. Not only are they making us pay for what used to be free, they're sacrificing event game content for it. They're selling LESS for MORE.

[@zenith2876]

Hope we get better event quest with weapons close to this caliber like in old games before world.

[@captainsoarineagle]

ngl, I defended capcom initailly with the paid dlc but that was when event quests rewards actaully had substance. Now its a very slippery slope because event quests offer close to nothing and what would have been rewards is not paywalled. And it's even more peak because this weapon skin looks mad

[@frankieblas3251]

I have no problem with these as long as they keep releasing free content.

[@ChrisFoxPH]

One big factor that brought me into the game way back in my PSP days is the fact that we have free quest skins. Basically just "buy the game and farm for mat for new skins". If the game was free to play then paid skins wouldn't be a problem but I have to agree that for someone who loves to be fashionable while hunting monsters, its a bit of an annoyance having to spend money to look good as if the major DLC weren't already pricey enough. IMHO, I'd rather see them make these skins available as free quest DLC and just have paid "extra effects" for those who really want to be flashy. Nothing beats "I have this skin because I farmed for it".

[@nekrumzero8117]

We never had "free skin" quests outside of world, GenU added armor transmog and World/I added layered armors and weapons.

[@TheProgenitor]

Clearly there was a lot of effort put into these skins. You mentioned this in the video, and that's likely the main reason why they are paid dlc. I think the main issue is that Rise has a lot of paid DLC but has a distinct lack of desireable event quest rewards when compared to previous titles. If there was an abundance of event quest armor and weapon rewards, people would care significantly less if some layered armors and weapons were paid DLC

[@jeslucas2515]

To be honest, I can't recall a single game where paid dlc "glamour" didn't lead to other financial "issues." I understand why it exists, but we already paid for the full game + expansion. Don't rob us and try to glitter and wrap it up as "optional purchase." Make it how you they used to be made: "for this glamour, you have to do x, y, z" and so on. You know like hunt Magnamalo without dying 3 times to get "x" layered armor pieces. Or complete a Mitzusune hunt in under 15 mins without dying to receive gamma armor. Just ideas.

[@luker8216]

A lot of your thoughts on it align with my own. Armor DLC has been a thing since Rise launched and we haven't heard much complaints about that, so the complaints on the Weapon DLC seems odd. As well, being able to see the weapon that you spent a bunch of time farming is always nice, though if people don't like it there are the other layered weapons in the game people can use instead. I might pick up some of these (or some armor DLC) only because I have a bunch of Gold Nintendo Coins that will expire after a little while. I'm not sure if I'd even use em, since they don't really "fit" with many armors in terms of aesthetics, but better than the coins just evaporating into thin air. That said if we buy em all up, Capcom will notice and will start making it the norm. I know a lot of other games have paid-DLC cosmetics all over the place, and if we aren't careful MonHun will become the same (though once could argue that it already has).

[@DigitalinDaniel]

Companies need to go back to producing complete games... anything extra should be added for free, as Microtransactions of any kind are a cancer. While I don't mind Monster Hunter's expansion model, they're certainly the best expansions of any game series. I would prefer if they just spent that extra year in development to release the game as a whole. The entire industry needs a better marketing system for the price of games, there's a lot of titles that charge $80-120 when they aren't even worth $20... Monster Hunter is one of the very few series that I would normally say is worth every penny. But these microtransactions in MHW and MHR are definitely taking a step backwards after already asking players to pay for their respective expansions.

[@TonyJenn]

Lol that's not happening. Also games aren't truly complete if they're making adding content. oversimplification of the situation isn't helping either. Ultimately if people decide its worth it to them, that's their choice to make.

[@iorifori91]

WAIT FOR NEW MONSTER PAID DLC! IT'S INEVITABLE!

[@apdragon321]

As long as it's just cosmatic is fine. We've been getting several new monsters for free. I think once they start offering game changing items as dlc is the time to get pissed, not some ugly weapon that costs $2

[@chrisb1634]

Much as I like and appreciate the design and animations put into these skins, I do not want to see this becoming a norm. So I will not be purchasing them. Better if this had been included as an event quest reward, or if Capcom had not bothered making these at all.

[@nur_spec]

Ultimately, it's up to the user to choose whether or not to purchase these. Fashion Hunter is the endgame, and to be honest, there is plenty of in-game sets that look fantastic mixed together, almost to the point that it renders some paid layered armor moot. All I can say is, I hope Capcom comes heavy with the event quests and rewards to balance.

[@Im_not_Evil_Dragon]

That Lost Code Greatsword looks like from the anime protagonist as a Sword (Reincarnate as a sword)

[@PnB_Menace]

Capcom couldn’t resist any longer

[@captainsoarineagle]

they fully couldn't lmao

[@schikey2076]

most corporates wont... especially when you hold a big ip like mon hun..

[@jlachman381]

I’m worried considering that the event quests have had incredibly underwhelming rewards and I’d rather grind an event quest for all 14 of these layered weapons than just buy them.

[@montblanc6356]

I wouldn't have mind IF ONLY they also give some effort on free stuff too. More Event quest reward maybe? (no... not that useless tiltle/sticker/gesture thing. but actual usefull things like weapons or armors) Less Free Stuff, more paid content? meh for me

[@swoopeth]

The biggest issue with paid skins in any game is that, where normally you would have some sort of sense of ownership (through having “earned” the skin in one way or another), with paid skins this is completely lost as you just throw money at it et voila. You know it when equipping the skin, and people who see you sporting it know it, and you know they know, etc.

[@Swaag617]

Spending my hard earned money on something I want sounds earned to me, people put too much energy into what others do with their money but I digress everyone should just have fun the way the want as long as it’s not effecting others negativity

[@nufsioohay]

@@Swaag617 that's a pretty narrow-minded point of view. You earned your money but you didn't earn the item you paid for... It's called buying. And no one's arguing about what you can or cannot spend your money on. He's talking about what this means in terms of game design. Especially for monster hunter where you should be able to earn anything you see other hunters have.

[@Slendysis]

@@Swaag617 That's why people are against paid layered weapons and other microtransactions- they believe that indulging in them, both as a developer and as a customer, does negatively affect them. How? Lost Code weapons could have been event rewards or something similar, but instead the events just give stickers and emotes generall, making things less satisfying overall. Purchasing them (as well as the layered armor and most other things in the store) incentivizes those in charge to require more things in the shop over rewarding the player in-game, and to push players towards the shop.

[@Adamiel-sl]

way too judgmental they look awesome man if u have a wep that looks ugly its nice to use something over it. Besides there are way too many people on the pc version just cheating in items any ways nobody can tell what legit on that version. The switch version where i started just sucks it runs chunky compared to the smooth pc version. Its strange how people revile change so much.

[@Swaag617]

I get it and I completely understand where y’all are coming from and respect that, I honestly feel like gamers today are entitled and don’t see it. Games are expensive af to make and only getting more expensive but gamers want all prices to stay the same/the developers can’t do micro transactions and want bigger and better games. I wanna support developers because I want more games. Like I said I get where y’all are coming from but the entitlement that gamers have (including myself) sometimes is crazy

[@spence6195]

I wouldn't mind them just selling stickers, voices & gestures but now they're selling us layered armors and weapons we used to get as rewards in Event Quests, it's only a matter of time before they stop giving us "Free Title Updates" in future games

[@williamelliott186]

I love these designs, but they don't get a dime, I'm saddened by this. I wish this wasn't the path they took

[@ToboeArticWolf]

They've certainly been pushing content that could go with event quests out of the game and into the paid DLC territory, which is awful. I get that they want to make some extra cash, but in my case I've already paid for base game and expansion with both deluxe kits and I think that's quite enough. This is a full price game, not a f2p title, so why the heck are they pushing so much content out of the game? It should be available through event quests and/or with the free title updates. EDIT: And yes, I would be less concerned with skins being sold in a f2p title because more often than not it's the way devs make money to sustain the game, unlike a full game that comes out for 60-70€ plus a 40€ expansion.

[@jacobfreeman5444]

I don't see a problem with pay for cosmetics. The problem becomes when quality suffers. Especially for the main game stuff. So long as they still craft the game itself with care then nothing wrong with reasonably priced cosmetics.

[@kendamen]

I would say No to paid cosmetics like these in MonHun franchise. The whole idea of the game is to hunt and look good while you work for it. Locking those cool skins behind paywall is such a shame. And let's be real the sale's figure alone is enough to pay for many things...I highly doubt spending dollars now on these cosmetics would directly impact the quality of the next monster hunter game. The Voice packs is where I draw the line.

[@Ligmyster]

The problem is that people will spend the money no matter how much they complain and capcom knows this, but that doesn't mean its okay. If this continues, I wouldn't say monster hunter will be just like every other game but it will definitely lose a part of its identity

[@MarveliciousG]

I mean if they do more BS like this, they will lose atleast me as a longterm consumer. From that point on I will sail the high seas.

[@Benri05]

They lost my interest, I was always buying MH day one and from now on, I'll wait for atleast a 50% discount.

[@xensho3561]

We in the community adore the mh dev team and would only want more success from them, that's a given. But the trend is crystal clear for all to see - less n less meaningful event rewards, but more and more paid dlc's. I'm completely against these layered weapons being sold. They are cashing out a lot of community good will here, and there's only so much to go around before it starts hurting their bottom line

[@shikniwho7215]

i have no problem if they released something like Fiorayne's voice while layer armor and weapon should just be event quest like World so we get actually worth to do event quest instead of just bunch of emote, guild title, pose.

[@jasherbelton3039]

This personally really scares..me. I really hope they don't start making this the norm. Monster hunter World never put price tags on these types of items. if they go bold and start putting new monsters behind a paywall, I would honestly have no choice but to quit monster hunter altogether. Especially after the lackluster content update that just released. Capcom really needs to pull their pants back up and stop doing whatever they think this is. I don't care how good these weapons look. They should have been free.

[@FleshlyDelight]

Pretty funny how the Mega Man collab that happened recently only gave things in the Mega Man game and we didn't get anything in Rise. However, after looking at how the Shagaru armor was brought into Mega Man and how the Lost Code weapons look and act and were even released at a similar time, I'm 100% certain the Lost Code layered weapons were related to the collab and then sold to us rather than given in an event quest. Not even sold to us at a reasonable price either. If you're someone who plays all the weapons in the game and you want these weapons, you'll be shelling out about *35 USD.* You must be joking, Capcom.

[@FleshlyDelight]

​@@johan9428 I generally don't buy MTX in pretty much any game I play. I haven't for Apex Legends, I didn't for Warframe, I didn't for Sea of Thieves, I didn't do for MH: World and I'm SURE as fuck not going to do it for Rise. You got my money for the game and your expansion, why try and milk every last cent from your playerbase? This isn't some live service game series, Capcom. With how World sold us room items, gestures, hairstyles, and OSTs and now Rise sold us not only layered armor, but even layered WEAPONS too? I'm expecting MH6 to start fucking selling us 6.99 Monster Packs that let you unlock a monster to fight. Honestly? If Capcom starts going even further with the MTX, I'm just not going to fucking buy MonHun games anymore. I love the series, but I refuse to give my money to a company that wants to siphon my wallet by selling back content that we would have gotten normally in game.

[@AngelMass]

Honestly, I'm just looking forward getting the free Steampunk layered armor

[@KRPeloquin]

It just worries me as we've seen plenty of games do this and it can eventually lead to the actual game suffering. Like base weapon designs becoming boring or too simple, because if the best looking stuff was already in the game, no one would buy the skins. It's not the best example, but look at Destiny, once they introduced armour ornaments, all the base sets started getting extremely basic.

[@Darkwarp1994]

I would say these would be worth it if it wasn't for the fact some players are getting kicked out of toxic player lobbys just for owning these layered weapons

[@Darkwarp1994]

And tbh it's a bit childish that these players are doing it in the first place it's just optional paid cosmetic skins for weapons

[@SuperVincent0000]

Hey! Thats a good idea! Thank you!

[@Darkwarp1994]

@@johan9428 look it's fine that you have your own view on this and yeah if it gets out of hand it turns into a huge problem no two ways about it but the few players are just as much in the wrong with kicking the players that bought the cosmetics And I view that method of handling it childish when there's obviously better ways to try and approach it

[@blodsian]

I don't mind paying for the weapon skin specially if it looks cool. It probably would have been even better if they also gave us the option to edit the colors.

[@ryean8212]

I missed the part in the trailer where it daid "Paid DLC" and I spent a good half hour looking for the event quest today

[@thatboikhy]

I kinda wish we got rewarded these types of things in the event quests. Sure stickers and Titles have their player base but I feel like the DLC is so loaded with stuff that could've been event quest earn-ables that it's a bit ridiculous in my opinion. Like I don't see why we can't have titles & stickers or Titles & layered armor or Titles & layered weapons. Titles are the least significant reward in comparison to everything else and that's fine if you like them, but I think that Titles aren't fitted to be the only rewarded with how easy those quests are. So there's no challenge and subpar rewards, which makes it feel kinda cheap in my opinion And the layered armor we got in the recent event quests are just a single piece! Which in comparison to the DLC...why!? Like it ultimately feels like more attention is being put into marketing layered stuff instead of stickers and gestures and that sits wrong with me. If you like them, you can like them...but it doesn't change the fact that it just feels iffy and weird to me

[@furionmax7824]

Damn I should get back into Rise again. Been taking some time off lately.

[@flyingthor2650]

just bought the lance skin and I love it. They provide us with FREE title updates with FREE events and rewards. paying a little extra for a skin to help devs is only right.

[@thebuddhasmiles]

You fucking ignorant schmuck. The mtx money does NOT go to the developer. PLEASE BE WISER WITH YOUR LIFE CHOICES.

[@emanul4773]

Considering how a large majority of games now sell you things that would be rewards, I'd say ya it is a slippery slope. So people better start saving.

[@Ace-08]

Pesonally i think its fine as its just a skin, but would be good if we can earn the normal variants in game, whilst the laed version only be paid for. Albeit this being quite pricy... The skins themselves look rlly nice tho. like the guild series in world. However, at that price point, they should probably give 2/3 skins or variants (i.e 2-3 sns or gs skins to choose from)

[@Flanman809]

Also want to add that my friends and I are having a problem with rise holding and keeping our attention. Regardless of dlc or content it just doesn't even come close to a game like world. And the difficulty is just laughable and even more so since they released a new patch that makes most monsters attacks not track you. The game is just on a downward spiral as far as content. So new paid skins means nothing if you don't even feel attracted to play the game.

[@heroicskeleton1566]

No? The game has been only getting better since sunbreak launched. Base Rise was subpar, yes. Sunbreak was a great expansion that really made up for it. And the updates have been really good. The Anomaly system is a much better end game then anything in Iceborne outside of maybe Safi Jiva, which I also really liked, though that was just grinding one monster over and over

[@Torch-Light]

Truthfully I'm disappointed at the paid DLC because compared to world and compared to the 3DS era of games, the event quests rewards have been seriously lacking in rise.

[@frijin490]

Since it's purely cosmetic, i don't personally worried. IF it would affect gameplay it would be a different story.

[@norman_n4361]

comparing wyvern ignition and lost code skins is invalid because one is a real weapon, one is just a skin, if they lock a real weapon behind a pay wall you can bet that i am against it, but skins are not a necessity, kinda like apex, league of legends etc. skins, so i don't see an issue as of yet.

[@Sugaryn0vA]

"kinda like these 2 free-to-play games that you don't have to pay $100 for to get into" what a dumb comparison 🤦‍♂

[@jorgesaenz7901]

It should had been a event quest to get these cool weapons

[@lsr444]

I keep thinking these Lost Code weapons was originally planned as event quest rewards since there is a collab between MH and MegamanX Dive and these weapons looks futuristic and robotic. Then some head honcho got greedy and decided to sell it instead!

[@zombieplague1266]

I would say the ONLY REASONS I feel these weapon skins are an issue is because the event quests for skins are lacking this game. The other reason is there was no community day design contest and that was such a let down. If they had done more skins for the events there just would not be a back lash really for this. I will say that in todays age of micro transactions for every detail of a game MONSTER HUNTER has been a shining beacon of how to run a game have some transactions and not make the community feel like it’s being robbed, nickel and dimmed to death. But bottom line yes this is a slippery slope

[@smurphy55656]

I mean the base weapons look sick anyway and we can get them layered now so its really up to the player like the design? Go for it don't like the design? Then you don't need to get it in the end its just cosmetic and there are plenty of other options that is free

[@valerius9751]

My stance on it: if you're ok with armor skin DLC then it makes no sense to be opposed to weapon skin DLC. However, the big problem here is how much effort has been put into the skins themselves compared to anything else in the game. That's my issue with it

[@Unchainedful]

It makes sense that a paid dlc will have more quality than a free event. It’s the same argument on why does a box office movie looks better than its TV show. I understand that paid dlc will always look better than free stuff, people needs to understand that. But what needs to happen is if we get free event items of the same category. If they release a new paid dlc armor and weapon layer, at least also release a event that also gives a armor and weapon layer.

[@Benri05]

@@Unchainedful free events aren't actually "free" it's part of the amount of money you paid for in the game, they're testing the waters by doing lackluster events to push more mtx, by the looks of it, the majority is fine with it.

[@ThunderCraker12]

I mean for me Monster Hunter's gameplay and challenge is the main draw of the game, the layered cosmetics are just a bonus so I honestly dont care. But this also removes my need of doing the event quests so it indirectly makes lack of additional content which is an issue. The good thing is that the title updates so far has been free any other company would have charged even more for them as paid DLCs so I hope this continues in the future but regarding the cosmetics its as simple as if you want it get it if you dont then dont. At the end of the day they are a company and will seek to have the highest profits that they can, as long as they do not become the decrepit shit stains that is currently EA and Blizzard while maintaining the quality of future games I am fine with paid DLCs as long as they are cosmetics only.

[@stanb1604]

if, over time, the paid skins become better looking than the ones you farm then we'll have a problem. OR if Capcom intentionally makes everything you farm for look like crap in order to push sales of said skins, that's where I'll draw the line.

[@Cyberginger1]

A huge part of what made event quests appealing was the fact that it unlocked cool looking gear or cross-over gear. If all the new gear became paid then event quests lose a lot of appeal IMO. I wouldn't see issue if event quests are still unlocking gear for free and they still made some paid gear here and there but going to fully paid content for gear is just a disaster, especially from what has been shown so far for Rise and where the event quests have only been unlocking gestures or stickers that, let's be honest, do not get used very often if at all. Free DLC has been a major plus for the MH franchise and is something that keeps you coming back to the game whenever new stuff comes out. Take that away and instead make it paid, a lot of people are not going to bother with it because of the added cost for not much pay out and suddenly the player count starts to die once main content is done.

[@kompf9099]

At this point, anger won't change anything. What we should be doing is shunning those that bought the weapon skins, booting them from hunts and the like. Nip this in the bud now or we'll go down the same slippery slope as so many other games already have.

[@jeaneche697]

I'm okay with paid stickers and npc skins, weapons and armor should be either event quest or base game unlockable. Else it'll end up like destiny and others, where most of the good looking armor is paid dlc. I miss my rocket powered GS 🥺.

[@Monster_Hoax-Book_Mark]

Honestly i'm happy that i can hunt in my ninja theme sets all kamura layer in my illness meta set hehehe. So for me layered weapon is already enough for cosmetics

[@MinionOfCthulhu]

I picked up Sunbreak because it was on sale today. I’ve been out of the MonHun loop since I beat Rise and shelved it. I was looking through the DLC and saw these and the prices and I was gobsmacked. If Rise is your first Monster Hunter game, Capcom used to do a shockingly generous pile of free DLC, much better than what we got here. I’m talking quests that got you the Master Sword, armor to make you look like Samus Aran, and all sorts of weapons and armor aside. This… I don’t like this.

[@salem2964]

Continued support my ass. I paid 80 dollars for the base game, sunbreak, and their respective dlc content. These new event dlc monsters have been low effort variants of already existing monsters and make me appreciate the effort capcom put into world much more now. Stop rewarding this terrible developer behavior with your money.

[@jaggedsigns3O11]

Its definetly worth, its layered armor. people are only complaining because this is the only cosmetic dlc that has been interesting and actually cool. if this was another hair that cost a dollar would anyone care? people want this so now theyre complaining that its not free. unique animations for ur favorite weapon for 2 bucks? whos complaining, support the game you supposedly love so much.

[@ideafon9187]

I don't mind gestures being paid for but weapons and armors are where I draw the line. I really liked games like mhw cus I could look awesome just by playing the game, I see someone that looks like a badass? I better go learn how to fight whatever monsters got it instead of having to pull out the wallet. And it just feels like once they start getting into more paid skins they'll push ever futher, I mean they already had a survey asking if people would pay for monsters which would be terrible if you ask me.

[@samsarayt9607]

I love this paid dlc. I'm biased with the combination of colors and its futuristic design. Probably not for other hunters out there but it's definitely for me. I hope they create something similar for the layered armor soon.

[@Benri05]

thanks for your support, indie company capcom really needs it

[@Derka7520]

I think its fine if they add some payed for stuff once in a while so that we can show support for such good games, but i hope they won't start adding battle passes and a shop solely with cosmetic you can pay for

[@diabolicblackout849]

I'm okay with this as long as event quest weapon stays and they do something really different with paid layered weapons

[@Hikariinu124]

i feel like emotes, stickers, hair, voice packs and character change tickets are fine, but the whole point of MH in my opinion is the gear you make and stuff. you did mention in the video that you prefer to use the weapons that you farmed for, because it feels like you arent using that weapon if you use a paid skin thats *only* a skin. if you say, like the look of zinogre swaxe but need to use the shagaru one for the element, thats fine because you need to farm both to use it. these kinds of weapon mods should be 100% in game unlockable event items, similar to how USJ stuff worked in the past. the way they did it in 4U and Gen/Ultimate was vastly preferrable because unlike in sunbreak they by design did not include a solo hunt for every single monster in the base game, you could only get certain monsters via event quests and they doubled up on them being both a means of hunting a certain monster and also a way to get some cool stuff if you needed/wanted it. its a trend that will probably continue, just the world we live in these days. thankfully mods exist on PC and most likely this will be free for PC players who feel like modding them in.

[@MrTerrorzone2012]

I'm mixed, I'm against Microtransactions but in this game I don't really mind. Sure the paid stuff is cool but it's not like there aren't any free ones, or we stop getting more free ones. I see it as harmless because it's just layered, it's also not super expensive. Like I bought a few stuff like a voice, skin of the owl cost me 3 bucks? It maybe a slippery slope but atm it's fair some games I played charge like 10 bucks for an owl skin or 20 for a voice and give you nothing in the game itself. But my main preference is just game, DLC like Sunbeak and that's it.

[@jameelkurabi]

I think with layered weapons out in this title update it makes me less likely to go in on these skins. There are a plethora of awesome weapon designs in base rise and sunbreak. It's ironic that they included the layered weapon feature and these paid weapon skins in the same update. If the lost code stuff came out with sunbreak launch then maybe I would've been more likely to get them. Either way if you don't like the direction they're going with paid weapon skins then vote with your wallet. If no one buys these then Capcom will have no choice but to rethink their strategy.

[@DaShikuXI]

This is an oiled up lubed up ski ramp, and we are sliding down at full speed.