is The NCR Dead? Fallout TV Show

The New California Republic has been the strongest faction in Fallout for a long time, but after the Fallout TV, who knows if they're even still alive?

[@SteelPanzer]

Nuking the NCR was such a bone headed move. I'm an Enclave fan boy, but seeing Shady Sands get removed from Existence was so stupid.

[@levicarpenter5509]

It's almost like you do the same in New vegas

[@archdornan8349]

​@levicarpenter5509 In new vegas you nuke a supply line. That's not comparable

[@SteelPanzer]

@levicarpenter5509 tbh if that was the reason Shady Sands got nuked, it would have made more sense than a butthurt dad nuking it.

[@levicarpenter5509]

@@archdornan8349 you still nuke the ncr

[@levicarpenter5509]

@@SteelPanzer the reason shady sands got nuked made sense

[@THEcamobackpack]

Bethesda's interpertation of "war never changes" means that everything will be rubble, deathclaws, nuka-cola, enclave, and the brotherhood for the rest of time

[@badswis]

Until bethesdas brotherhood saves the world and there’s rainbows and unicorns all over

[@mysampleid]

Bethesda has no interpretation of it actually, because they're shoving it everywhere without a doubt because it's a funny quote

[@plushluigi7417]

That was just fallout 3​@@badswis

[@hellcatspitfire2162]

AD VICTORIAM!

[@ListentoMusic-qs3fq]

​@@badswisyou see, the script writers for the show might fuck up that too. they might suddenly decide that NCR somehow managed to get Helios One working on 100 percent of its power, wrecking the shit out of everyone in the range of satellite weaponry. BECAUSE THE WAY THEY CONTINUE WITH THE LORE IS ABSOLUTELY BULLSHIT.

[@Red0543]

I love how the reason they gave for nuking the NCR (beyond simple and cheap shock value) was because “Well it’s ridiculous to think that the setting will forever remain the same!” when they basically reset the setting back to Fallout 1 standards by removing the biggest and most obvious sign that the setting was actually progressing!

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

That’s just like what happened in Star Wars The Force Awakens.

[@ChadOfAllChads]

In New vegas the ncr is on its last leg. Sure, they're in control of vegas but they're also barely so and on top of that face the same problems modern governments do just now there's radiation and mutants. 100% makes sense they wouldn't last forever.

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

@@ChadOfAllChadsIIRC, the Mojave wasn’t being given enough troops because it wasn’t part of the NCR as a state. If the NCR won in New Vegas, The Mojave and New Vegas would become a state in the NCR. Also the events of The Divide or Lonesome Road could mean you nuke the Highway so that the NCR cannot send reinforcements or supplies into the Mojave.

[@BlueFusion2910]

​@@ChadOfAllChads And instead of being allowed to die naturally they are nuked by vault tec. Keep defending the smoothbrain show

[@tk-6967]

@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes It's actually worse. Yes, the New Republic was disbanded, but it wasn't like Coruscant or any major established worlds were destroyed. Imagine if the FO destroyed Kuat or Corellia or something. *That* would be really bad. Although TFA is still worse than the Fallout show, the aspect of the New Republic capitulation makes sense in lore.

[@Alex_FRD]

The choice to represent NCR survivors as a bunch of bloodthirsty (literally!) cultists and calling Shady Sands' crater "The Shithole" is hard to interpret as anything else than an insult to old Fallout/NV fans.

[@earhearthush-up5549]

Lol what? I think you’re confused man They’re definitely cultists but the whole joke of that episode is they’re the complete opposite of bloodthirsty: even after committing breaking and entering and assault, their ‘punishment’ is to just let Lucy go! Were you even watching the show? Unless you’re referring to the beginning with Moldaver. It’s pretty obvious those aren’t actual NCR troops, but rather random Raider mercs she hired to do a dirty job for her.

[@DC-it2ng]

You mean SHADY SANDS survivors. Not the whole NCR. It's capital got nuked. So what. It's got five states under its belt. Also, of course the crater is called that. What else would you call it? It's a crater for God's sake. Calm down lil bro.

[@neoramaredzone8544]

I don’t know why you interpret it that way when the show try’s it’s damn hardest to present the idea of the NCR as hope and the collapse of it as the most tragic thing to befall the wasteland. The nuking of the NCR is literally presented as the most evil and selfish thing in the show and falls exactly in line with Vault-Teks goal of wiping the surface and repopulating it with their leaders. Vault-Tek is going to take out their competition. Also this is literally the same thing as Vault-13 getting wiped out between fallout 1 and 2 I don’t get why the NCR collapsing is such a bad thing when we have more build up for its collapse than the Enclave shooting up Vault-13. Also theirs still hope for the NCR for one we don’t know if it fully collapsed or simply split up into different groups for all we know there could be a fully functioning NCR government to the north or south, or the NCR military could still be functioning and acting as its own government. But the show did present the NCR as the best thing for the wasteland and a tragic loss.

[@Alex_FRD]

@@earhearthush-up5549 They *literally* drink blood. and say that "to bring back Shady Sands, blood must flow." Were *you* watching the show? That's the second time I see this "counterargument", I'm beginning to think Creetosis' theory of bots is true.

[@tedbacon1283]

Womp womp

[@manuelcartagena8052]

The NCR getting nuked by some unknown vault overseer would be more devastated to Ceaser of all people. All his talk of hegelian dialectics and synthesis would go down the drain.

[@mrheherdisruptor8975]

Awesome

[@artvandelay94]

The Legion doesn’t make it out of 2281 anyway

[@CaesarSonOfMars]

@@artvandelay94 you gotta source for that?

[@alexloponte7056]

Caesar*

[@martinromerostrack9138]

​@@CaesarSonOfMarscaesar's brain tummor lol. No caesar, no legion. And since they killed ncr you can bet they'll have no problem killing the legion as well.

[@farcy3insanitymeme]

The actual look of the show makes zero goddamn sense. The Vaults being giant complexes out in the open inside of the LA boneyard, with a gigantic entrance on the surface is just saying "Super mutant army, come to me!". Vault 33 and Vault 4 should have been run over by The Master's armies like 70 years ago. Not sure exactly when the mutants of Vault 4 took it over, but it shouldn't matter. Since The Master's armies would have just massacred them all trying to find Prime Normals anyway.

[@gabrielrichards3716]

This is what I've been thinking the whole time!

[@Sonoran_Douchebag]

vault 4 was probably abandoned since the creatures killed all of the original dwellers and vault 33 is in long beach california, not that close but not far away

[@Rubyduckshovel]

@@Sonoran_Douchebag It wasn't abandoned the mutants are it's original occupants.

[@Sonoran_Douchebag]

@@Rubyduckshovel the original inhabitants before shady sands was nuked, the People from the vault 4 ad with coop

[@Rubyduckshovel]

@@Sonoran_Douchebag ?

[@ShockingOnion]

Patrolling the Mojave makes you wish for a nuclear winter

[@missingxbox1716]

Yippee yay! there'll be no wedding bells for today! I've got spurs that jingle jangle jingle jingle jangle as I ride merely along jingle jangle and they sing oh ain't you glad you're single jingle jangle

[@NCR_Trooperr]

FR😭😭😭😭😭

[@solesurvivor3457]

Patrolling the Mojave makes you wish for how to build a pipe bomb

[@NoDontb3lieve2o]

No almost' about it, yeah! lol

[@Veteranlegionary70]

​@@NCR_Trooperrcan't say the line KZbin banned me

[@justaguy6133]

The fact that the NCR got reduced from being a democratic organized group to mere chem-addicted raiders should tell you the brilliance of Todd and Emil's award-winning writing

[@ilovenovels]

They had senators, congressmen, elections, vertibirds, power armour,a HUGE population, and most of it never happened like this is some peter pan bullshit

[@accountname9506]

The seeds for NCR collapse were well set in FNV. Hell, you could see some of them in F2.

[@justaguy6133]

@@accountname9506 The same as the Mojave Brotherhood of Steel, and yet somehow they sprung back up. Only the Brotherhood wins in Bethesda Fallout, while the rest die. I won't be surprised if Elijah lives. That's all it is now.

[@accountname9506]

@@justaguy6133 Elijah is almost certainly dead as all fuck and it'd be kind've pointless to bring him back given the BBEG is the enclave. The Mojave BoS is probably going to be dead or at the very least they left the region. The BoS in general in FNV is shown as being on the decline but it's a very long and drawn out one, and Arthurs reforms in the east coast were approved by the West. Also I'm pretty sure the BoS chapter we see was at least partially transplanted from the east coast given they're taking orders from the commonwealth.

[@toomanyaccounts]

@@accountname9506 BOS had many sects some that fought against others. the Enclave had many bases.

[@ezekieltorres1477]

I know omega was going nuts when they mentioned the enclave and knows he has to make a video about it

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

😈

[@nicolacallaghan9754]

@@TheOmegaInitiativeFor the Enclave!

[@AmandaFessler]

God Bless the Enclave!

[@outlawquelshingdixienothin8893]

@@TheOmegaInitiative somehow surviving , the remaining Enclave/ vault tech see society advancing and civilisation forming again but not in the way they want as they are not them. Brotherhood has all fo3 enclave tech and institute tech, also the bos and other factions outnumber them so much that countering it will never be achieved. The wasteland may soon be over as civilisation truly forms again, cultists capable of nukes, invasion of any area possible and a future promised for that would not come from the remnant of the USA. somehow one of this remaining enclave base, whether it is a pre or post war one in unknown yet has pre war military police patrolling instead of power armour, more interested in fev and research of military research that they have already devoted everything to and lost both times. They have one more chance and if they do not succeed, any view of their goal or reclaim the world will die.

[@suckassmork2972]

Somehow, the Enclave came back. Omega: YYYEEEEESSSSS! YYEEEEESSSS!

[@apg7199]

Omega honestly makes a great point, The New California Republic would survive. However he's also right is saying that won't stop Bethesda's and Amazon's writers from saying The NCR fell apart

[@felipequaresma4215]

to be fair the writers and mister Todd have confirmed that the NCR is alive, and we are gonna see more of them, but seeing new vegas in its state im afraid of what other decisions they will choose

[@dangi6516]

@@felipequaresma4215 Todd is the biggest liar, 200+ fallout 3 endings .etc

[@felipequaresma4215]

@@dangi6516 honestly i prefer to think he wasnt lying cause the chaos it would cause amongst the fandom would be insane. besides the show is getting momentum fucking up season 2 woul destroy any momentum it has

[@dangi6516]

@@felipequaresma4215 you just answer why he lied again, they wanted to destroy NCR because Todd and Emil like their Mad Max but killing off NCR pissed off so many people that they had to write that NCR is not gone while it has almost non presence in it's own land and in end credits we see that NCR expeditionary force in New Vegas is also dead so ye ... NCR still out there because Todd said that

[@corypowercat7277]

And how 100 years of progress went down the drain. Where are the doctors, factories, schools, etc?

[@gono4806]

I prefer the theory that Todd Howard picked up Shady Sands and moved it, he then slammed it with such force that it blew up. Tragic really.

[@ThisIsMyYouTubeAccount1]

" I have an idea. We take Bikini Bottom, and we PUSH IT somewhere else!"

[@alehaim]

alternative explanation for the LA shady Sands, it's a second Shady Sands like how there's a lot of Springfields all across the US

[@joshnohr4475]

There's not really a need to explain it at all. When Chris Avellone was asked about map discrepancies between FO1 and FO2, he explained that Interplay was only thinking about gameplay when placing the locations and they are not indicative of where those locations are in the lore.

[@eagleowl833]

​@@joshnohr4475 that is true, necropolis is supposed to be bakersfield however it is no where near its real location. Also the fact that Cooper mentioned going there rather than a vault makes me think he might have been a founder of necropolis. Would be cool if he became the sherrif and reflected his character's story by becoming the ghoul we see in 2296

[@Helperbot-2000]

@@joshnohr4475 completely idiotic comparison, the map discrepancy between fallout 1 and 2 is inconsequential because the relative positions to other areas wasnt changed significantly and it can be completely disregarded as a change at all because it was made purely to fit a square map. if it had switched place with another settlement then it would be just as big of a problem, but its not.

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

The writers of this show don’t understand Fallout and are only using the show as an outlet to push an agenda. The location of Vault 31-33 alone should make it clear how much of a lore breaking joke of a show this is.

[@KSUser-0301]

@@joshnohr4475 >Yeah bro Moving Shady Sands to the Boneyard makes perfect sense and does not destroy any lore or our understanding of the world

[@MichealFelk]

I’m proud of this comment section, when the show burns down like the Witcher, we’ll be the ones saying “I told you so!”

[@oniemployee3437]

Bethesda loves the ramshackle look of fallout 3 and 4, so I assume they did this to bring the east and west in line with eachother. Too bad that they fucked up majorly and i'll never accept that it happend. The NCR lives!!

[@eagleowl833]

I think the NCR lives in the north around redding and sacramento etc, would be cool if Arroyo is helping them out.

[@commanderAnakin]

​@@eagleowl833Bold of you to assume Emil knows anything about the classics.

[@tedbacon1283]

Cope

[@lapine.mp4lapine.mp350]

​@@tedbacon1283cope with the fact that bethesda can't make a good fallout story to save their lives

[@redemptionjack4657]

Todd and Obsidian writers have stated that the NCR is not fully dead.

[@zoojuice7893]

The Shady Sands sign does mention that its the "first" capital of the NCR. The NCR growing so much would mean that it probably would move its capitol leaving Shady Sands as a small settlement. It still wouldnt explain the location being so close to LA.

[@Helperbot-2000]

shady sands iirc is the largest city in the NCR by the time of new vegas

[@mfspectacular]

It stopped being a small settlement by fallout 2, let alone fnv

[@thegr8spadel225]

They should have moved the capital and had Shady Sands nuked. Because Shady Sands being the second capital doesnt make any fucking sense.

[@noahberg101]

I wonder if they would have moved to Vault city or maybe a more costal city so they could use ships for travel and or supplying other states

[@supnenCyc]

@@noahberg101 What are you babbling about there is no such thing as shipping lanes in fallout

[@frogmouth2]

I really don’t like how Lee Moldaver shows up at the start, disappears for the rest of the series just to reveal that she’s really a saint and runs a perfect society.

[@maylabrown4584]

She is not a saint and her society isn’t “perfect” but it is the best that people could look forward too is a place like the Wasteland. Like Goodsprings.

[@Subject_Keter]

All i know is,they branded the moldy bread right. Damn traitor to humanity and.. did the show even come up with a good reason for what the people could use power for?

[@maylabrown4584]

@@Subject_Keter If you mean the Enclave tech it was to spread power to the people, literally, bringing the wastes out of the dark ages and allowing for electricity all around. This is a great thing as with enough time you can have a whole city full of water purifiers, security systems, temperature devices, etc.

[@smugthemugger7158]

Agreed, they had them portrayed as this evil person, so evil in fact that even mentioning her name would offend wastelanders yet she becomes completely irrelevant until the last episode and which said episode, is now apparently the good guy?

[@spaggotyee5466]

It honestly feels like the ending of the show was just made up on the spot - nothing about the raiders you see in the first episode (or the captured ones later in the series) could lead you to believe they’re actually refugees from the most civilised part of the wastes trying to invent infinite energy so they could plug it into a 2 century old power grid

[@Jacobryanashton]

It's no question that the show runners don't give a damn about the established lore. For god's sake the Prydwen is on the west coast, somehow. Ghouls now need to take drugs to stay sane. Even though they are suppose to be immune to the effects of drugs. The list goes on.

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

Well, in Bethesda lore, they could get high on drugs in Fallout 3 according to the ghouls making the drugs in the subway.

[@Jacobryanashton]

@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes Well Bethesda is hardly any better when it comes to sticking to the established lore.

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

@@JacobryanashtonThat’s very true, even with Elder Scrolls and all that changed from Morrowind into Oblivion

[@anton6686]

@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes Bethesda always makes ghouls junkies. See Hancock and goodneighbor as another example.

[@artyom-ovsepyan]

@@AdrianFahrenheitTepesthey could but it stated they need higher dosages to effect them.

[@ottovonbismarck7094]

This is just the usual toddslop cycle. Wait years to release new content, release it, fans are excited cause they havent had new stuff in years, months pass, fans get food poisoning cause its slop, repeat

[@corypowercat7277]

Or get called toxic by other fans for daring to criticize something. It's annoying.

[@Alexander-nc4vy]

Fans of Bethesda love to call New Vegas fans irrational yet they go rabid when you criticize Bethesda.

[@Le-cp9tr]

If Bethesda doesn’t walk this back they will be wishing for Nuclear Winter. Literally the faction which is arguably the embodiment of player choice and the consequences of our past actions. I am fearful of what is to come

[@corypowercat7277]

All that we did in New Vegas was nullified. The same goes for Fallout 1 and 2.

[@370enjoyer]

I mean new Vegas looks like it pretty much got nuked or just finally succumbed to the wasteland most likely with Mr house dying or and attack on new Vegas

[@JohnDoe-xt3kf]

@@corypowercat7277 Even worse Fallout New Vegas never happened The show says Shady Sands was nuked in 2277 and the NCR fell apart afterwards FNV took place in 2281, so they removed FNV completely from the show canon

[@cowbeanboi412]

​@@JohnDoe-xt3kfNV happened the bombs fell sometime after probably mid 2282

[@toomanyaccounts]

@@JohnDoe-xt3kf damn you stupid. it was confirmed by the age of Maximus the bombing of Shady Sands was after 2277. The fall means the events leading to the destruction started in 2277

[@TioWiki]

By the looks of the end it seems like the event of the mod DUST became canon

[@ile1237]

I wish, dont get your hopes up. That would imply that the second season wont be the same lore breaking garbage as the first one. At least DUST gives a good explanation why everything went to shit after NV.

[@omerthegoatt]

Yeah, probably a less extreme version of DUST is canon

[@cyber_stealth]

​@@ile1237exactly

[@breakerdawn8429]

Or maybe the devs just really hate NCR and we see that the Legion is still alive.

[@omerthegoatt]

@@breakerdawn8429 if the legion was still alive they would have probably been mentioned in season 1

[@Awfulfeature]

The Fallout fan urge to make an AU more consistent, hopeful and better than Bethesda could dream up of.

[@corypowercat7277]

That's what me and some friends are doing. We're working on a fan series for Fallout.

[@shanehunt3019]

*16 times the disappointment!* You see that continuity? Well you can forget it! Again, it just works.

[@dac5782]

*"It is 4 times the slop, of Fallout 4."*

[@internetenjoyer9937]

You still have to pay your taxes, even if the NCR is “gone”..

[@Subject_Keter]

The taxes is pumping bad guys with Lead and taking their Schools.

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

How about I pay it in lead?

[@mrinsomniac2968]

@@TheOmegaInitiative the police wants to talk to you

[@plushluigi7417]

Womp womp.

[@FifinatorKlon]

@@TheOmegaInitiative you still have to pay someone for the bullets/material

[@enumaelish9193]

Two headed bear skeleton flag would go unreasonably hard for an NCR remnant faction.

[@Subject_Keter]

All thet had to do was be like have a radio playing a NCR Broadcast "Attention! We the NCR have retracted to the North and we will not be able to help for a year or two but rest assured, By Tandi we will come back when we got enough strength to do so.

[@earhearthush-up5549]

Lol they could honestly still just do this in the second season and fix damn near everything.

[@Subject_Keter]

​@@earhearthush-up5549 I swear you know it bad when random people can outpace "PrOfEsSiOnAl Writers" and their response is. "You arent appose to think about it!" It like some kid saying his wooden stick crit and one shot you in Power Armor.

[@earhearthush-up5549]

@@Subject_Keter Well we say that but tbf the writers main job in making this show isn’t “making die hard fans who worship New Vegas, 1, & 2 happy” It’s “make this really weird, bizarre universe appealing to a wide audience”. I think we have to temper our expectations with that in mind. No company in their right mind is gonna ok millions of dollars to make a show that would only appeal to a community of random nerds who are still obsessed with a 13 year old game (which I fully admit I am part of btw). The best we can hope for is, now that the show has done really well, and has a lot of new audiences already bought into this story, that NOW they can listen to us fans and rectify some of the bad decisions they made going forward. I’m skeptical but I won’t be a fatalist, I just keep my fingers crossed.

[@breakerdawn8429]

Maybe they just really hate the NCR, imagine the New Vegas we see is now controlled by Caesar Legion

[@Subject_Keter]

​@@earhearthush-up5549that defense would work but not here. Basically if you cant do simple story stuff right like "in Witcher, Silver Swords are to hunt monsters or 40k is about forcing the God of Plagues into the B a t h" it not only hurts normals, moderate fans and the ones that love it. Like to "fix" it all you needed was Lucy or one of the characters just mention the north is more "stable" then the south.. what that really going to cost? Also the only thing in the show I didnt like how the Brotherhood was shown to be power armored monkeys and how they were like ashamed they would have to have action. Just got to make it "right" instead of being todd drool farmer.

[@Gordulan]

Any and all explanations for theories on how things might be is just that, theorizing and bending over backwards to make excuses for, either incompetent writing consistency or deliberately malicious and hateful undermining of the established lore and setting in the showrunners and writing staff's part. Bethesda and their plans for falloout should've just stayed away from the west coast if they don't give primary control to the people who initially created the setting. Anything other than that will inevitably suck any interesting parts out of it and turn it into generic grey slop given time.

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

Grey slop is very nutritious I'll have you know.

[@tedbacon1283]

Waaaah waaaah

[@r32guy85]

@@tedbacon1283 that's all you got from his comment? he's right yuo know.

[@mrheherdisruptor8975]

Just because the West Coast of Fallout isn't written by your God Almighty Chris Avellone doesn't mean that it's absolutely bad and/or malicious everything that other writers do with it, and come on, you didn't have to try to Slander the fan theory's like that, people does them because it's fun and makes the overrall experience of media better, not just to excuse writers job (wich it's not always about make a hundred pages of expository dialogue of pure yapping about insignificant lore especially in a short show).

[@Gordulan]

@@mrheherdisruptor8975 Here are a couple of examples of shows and movies that either were complete garbage from the start because of the lack of involvement of the original writers or ones turned to grey slop after the one responsible for the story left. Halo, Dragon ball evolution, Game of thrones, The witcher, Wheel of time, Cowboy Bebop (Netflix version), Shyamalan's The Last Airbender and the list goes on... But whatever, apparently I worship the ground Avellone walks on and don't just want consistency in my adapted entertainment as well as some level of respect to the original work and its original creators.

[@RightfulArchon186]

Canon Ending: The entire world of fallout is a simulation, and a god named "Todd" (along with his son "Bethesda") is tormenting them until their days end.

[@THEcamobackpack]

*a god named Todd

[@RightfulArchon186]

​@@THEcamobackpack true, I forgot to remind myself of his existence. may he strike down all heretics in my sleep.

[@dac5782]

The god named Todd, and his Sweet Little Lies.

[@TheLastArbiter]

The bear is not dead. It’s hibernating.

[@pedrotbird5426]

Shady Sands was literally founded by the survivors of VAULT 15? I do enjoy the show but that made no sense to me, why would Vault-Tec nuke the city founded by their own dwellers?

[@dogecursor5190]

well.... vault tec has never been very caring about their dwellers lives. (i mean have you seen how many vaults were made into horrific experiments?)

[@mrinsomniac2968]

dude..vault tec is HORRIBLE

[@r32guy85]

vault tech nuking the world doesn't make sense and they never did that first.

[@elecman748]

Asspull

[@pedrotbird5426]

@@dogecursor5190 Thats a really good point. I can't remember what the experiment in Vault 15 was but it was probably similar to Vault 13

[@bigegg4125]

A town near me used to be the state capital, but after the state expanded they moved it to a more central location. I can easily see that happening here, and keeping the name to honor the original location.

[@confusionjuice9663]

I think the house ending is the most realistic for the NCR

[@corypowercat7277]

It makes sense considering we see a crashed NCR vertibird at the Strip ruins.

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

House ending only makes sense if the courier don’t live

[@ilovenovels]

House was also done dirty by the show, like they made him part of the illuminati council when the man literally deflected the bombs and planned to rebuild society right there and then, no time is the absolute weapon bullshit, if he had the silver chip he would've just had people in space in 100 years, the man said it himself. Why humour a bunch of creepy degenerates.

[@MeheiTude]

Yeah you bring up many good points and ideas how to fix it but... Couble things... -If ncr isnt dead why we see towns fallen into raiders and criminals -Why is NCR troopes we see called NCR remnants -if ncr is still around why is brotherhood controlling large region of ther land -why enclave has bace in ncr land? -why chaine boneyards name to shady sands and call it its first capital if its not the originsl town that was first capital? That just confusing -why is everything broken and desert if ncr had over 100 years to rebuild infastructure so much they can, even, expand ther borders? I know they could jsut exoand to exoand but reslly? Over 100 years and nothing is rebuild? They, are not the legion that was birth couble decades ago. There is couble things i have proplem with... Sorry if english is bad not my native languge.

[@freeguy3894]

- valid. - valid. - valid. - we don't know where that Enclave base is located but since there was snow its logical to assume its somewhere in the north; maybe its up in the mountains but NCR would have known about active Enclave bases inside their borders after taking Navarro. - i think its logical that since Shady Sands is the first capital it expanded and annexed a lot of nearby towns, perhaps they had an Egypt moment where due to overpopulation they had to build a new capital. - everything is deserted because the region is a desert(which seems to become more green); I wouldn't say that nothing is rebuilt, afterall they still have a miraculously functioning power grid capable of not exploding when powered by the cold fusion. To me it seems more likely that its just refugees from Shady Sands surviving out in the wasteland and dealing with raiders after the loss of government, not that nothing was rebuilt.

[@MeheiTude]

@@freeguy3894 Oh yes i forgot that there was snow. My bad. Maybe i confused that becose that scientist somehow got so fast to california. Yeah we dont see how long or when that happend but i would say thats more of shows failure to keep how much time has passed in order. By everything is desert i mean yeah region is deserd but everything being destroyed to madmax like scene is strainge if ncr is still around that is. Ether ncr is gone and only remnants remain killing all potential ncr could have given on future fallout games or ncr is still around and show failed by calling them remnants and now we are yet again more confusing ther before... Or show is not cannon or if must be semi canon... bethesda can pick ther poison i guess. Becose this is not fallout i grow to love so much

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

That would mainly be because of a misunderstanding in the size of the NCR. California in Real life has a population of ~40 million, even Los Angeles has a population over 3 million, and Fallout is set in an alternate future where the world never stopped expanding. The pre-war population of California could very well be 80 million or higher. So the NCR even with a population of 1 million, would never be able to assert control over the entirety of California, they would most likely only have an area of influence around each city and along supply lines.

[@MeheiTude]

@@freeguy3894 good points. And lot of thing i ether didnt take to count or remembered wrong. But now we get back to same guestion is ncr around or not? I agree it seems like only refugees are around but same time so large nation going to fall so massively not breaking apart to nation states fighting for power but disapearingnover night and all we see is handfull of remnants remaining...all we can is speculate becose we dont know is the answer and most likely will never know becose next season seems to be moving us away from california. but then lets flip that card... Instand of seeing ncr falling apart off screen why not let us see that fall of ncr this massive nation we have seen to grow though games and now its own greed broke its back? Imagine all writing potential on... Also? Dosnt that mean house, ulysses and caesar were right abouth ncr? Didnt they say someting how they are going to fail or something close to that?

[@dangi6516]

@@TheOmegaInitiative The Roman Empire was able to control Europe, the Middle East, parts of Africa and Asia with approximately +320,000 soldiers.

[@DikaWolf]

Kimball is canonically dead. His picture was on the memorial in Vault 4. How he died is up in the air.

[@amelia31289]

probably from the nuke, he was probably inside shady sands when it happened

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

Moldaver also has a picture displayed, who's to say that they aren't praying to Kimball as well?

[@eagleowl833]

Kimball is just on a picture (one you can find in FoNV) with the memorial stuff while Moldaver is a literal custom made banner with religious imagery. I think hes dead.

[@tedbacon1283]

Remain calm President Kimball lives The NCR endures There is much work to be done

[@DikaWolf]

@@TheOmegaInitiative There are several ways Kimball could have died in New Vegas. Todd Howard himself has said everything that happened in New Vegas happened. That with his picture on the memorial, it's pretty safe to say his metabolic processes are a matter of interest only to historians!, he's expired, this party is no more, he has ceased to be, .a dead parrot.

[@Lingon_]

This neither makes sense from the writers pov, nor the shows pov. The writers wanted to nuke shands, so they just made it work in the lowest effort way they could. The entire show is a hit and a miss, my canon is fo1,2,3,nv. The other games and the show are basically their own canon, i don't care about them anymore.

[@SketchG]

Didn't know I'd see a FO4 hater in 2024 I throught this was the year when everyone realised they treated it too harshly

[@Subject_Keter]

​​@@SketchG It perfectly normal to hate Fallout 4, the march of time and bad games shouldnt make that dialouge wheel and flabby ass game look "good". Literally the only thing good is plasma flamers. 😂

[@Epicbam]

@@SketchG Moldy bread is alright, compared to horse shit - but it’s still moldy bread.

[@electricfanman9411]

@@SketchGTreated it too harshly?? I've only seen praise for FO4. After Starfield, people have been realizing how awful Bethesda's writing is and started noticing the shitty writing in FO4.

[@ThomasWarhammer]

"M-m-my canon 😢😢" 😂😂

[@jonathanfrank1189]

Answer: 1) the writers do not care 2) the canon has be retconned and the fall of shady sands in 2077 is if the Legion won the first battle of Hoover Dam or some other retconed organization took or sacked the capitol. 3) the NCR are likely split into warlords and hold outs by the hands of the writers 4) considering Beathesda’s love a the botched together “dying world” feel of fallout 3 this makes sense 5) the BOS likely have atleast had peace in the commenwelth or won out right and have gone much more religious

[@thesmilyguyguy9799]

Post NCR Warlords Is A Good Idea For Fallout 5 Or A Sipnof Game

[@qhu3878]

I get why people are weirded out by the culty brotherhood but I think it makes sense for some of the west coast chapters after the regular beatings they took and decades of isolation, if they show a divide between the cult like west and the military esque east brotherhood itll make a lot more sense but if they just go "the brotherhood is a cult now deal with it" itll just be pure laziness

[@twiddlerat9920]

The idea of the NCR devolving into early 20th century china-like warlords is actually pretty plausible

[@chr0n0s17]

It still makes more sense that the NCR simply pulled out of the region as opposed to completely fell apart. The shady sands refugees may just not be aware of this fact, as the military likely couldn’t spare detachments to truely investigate the nuking due to conflicts on their own border and dissent spawning from the failed Mojave campaign. I also think the show runners likely know this or have begun to see all the drama online over the plot point, and will likely change their stance on the NCR during season 2.

[@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation]

The showrunners are intentionally leaving it vague to keep everyone talking about the show until something is confirmed in Season 2.

[@shadewolf0075]

I mean that’s how shows work. They aren’t going to show us the hand that they got yet in the first season. I mean shows like the walking dead didn’t reveal everything that happened all at once in their first season

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

@@shadewolf0075 I think you picked the single worst example, Robert Kirkman has said that he didn't like how much was revealed in the Season 1 finale and should have kept it a mystery.

[@mrinsomniac2968]

@@TheOmegaInitiative brother, its still so VAGUE in purpose- we dont even know fully what even happened we need to WAIT not just jump into conclusions like you do

[@r32guy85]

@@mrinsomniac2968 why can't we jump into conclusions?

[@Follower_of_Yeshua]

The Real Thing is that they Did not Care to make Sure that Shady Sands was in the Rigth Place or Moved it Because it was Easier so Lucy and Maximus Could Visit the Ruins of Shady Sand.

[@JGCO115]

I heard that the guy who wrote the NCR for Fallout 2 apparently said at some point after FNV he didn't like the idea of civilization re-building itself in the Fallout series cause it went against the whole post apocalyptic setting and the themes of humanity fighting each other even after the world ended. They're probably not all gone but still around, same with the legion but kinda like the imperial remnants from the Star Wars EU where each remant has their own leader figure. This was also implied for the Legion where it was said that they Follow Caesar and not his beliefs and should Caeesar die then the legion would die with him and fall apart.

[@mortagon1451]

I've always considered that one of the core themes of Fallout. There will be many factions that rise, but they will eventuallly all fall and humanity is doomed to live in a state of ruin until the end of time. It's bleak, but that's part what Fallout is to me. I don't think NCR is gone though. They may be weakened, but just like the Enclave, they still remain.

[@JGCO115]

@@mortagon1451 Oh absolutely. The Fallout series has many themes one of which had always been about how humanity will still find ways to destroy itself over ideals even after the world is destroyed. "War never changes" so to speak. Even in the current watered down form that the series has been this is prevalent.

[@falloutboy6017]

That was chris avellone, and I think he said in this year for his review for the fallout tv show that his and the other writers' intent was never really to nuke or destroy the NCR. Only to create tension I think is what he said

[@jeffersonsam5316]

The Star Wars eu a time I nearly forgotten in my head canon is the true Star Wars

[@JGCO115]

@@jeffersonsam5316 im not interested in Star Wars but what i know about the EU came from a friend who is a fan of it. It sounds like a cool concept when you think about it. No way a huge galactic empire would just dissapear overnight, there would be remnants of it just like with the NCR in fallout.

[@owaine-changaming]

The NCR isn't completely gone the ones we see in the show are probably remnants of survivors from shady sands remember the NCR still have quite a big presence in places like Oregon, Nevada,, Arizona and northern Mexico

[@Mabra51]

The TV show isn't canon, it has too many contradictions.

[@samsarex4318]

Fool you thought just because it's 2:48 in the morning i wouldn't be up waiting for you to upload? WELL THINK AGAIN

[@RaccoonBaker]

2:48am? 4:04am for me!

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

GO TO BED! 😡

[@Jacobryanashton]

@@TheOmegaInitiative NO!

[@mrpaulbeans9963]

Titus getting rocked by a bear seems like foreshadowing

[@foxsvault5097]

When the show came out it actively made me not want to play fallout anymore.

[@JulianUccetta]

I'm done with Fallout. My headcanon is it ended at New Vegas and anything after is a crappy cash-grab soft-reboot that I will forever ignore.

[@Subject_Keter]

Also i hate how despite never showing a map, you could tell some moblin never played fallout 1 or 2. Shady Sands is appose to be nore north! And not just the Boneyard.

[@ilovenovels]

They shouldve just stuck with vault stuff, they did pretty well depicting a vault life. They only lacked the goat and special tests. The moment lucy walked out of the vault was when it all went to shit.

[@toomanyaccounts]

lol! even in the games the location is not the same

[@Brandon34098]

the bos going on the offensive is strange for a lot of the reasoning provided, wrote a big wall of text but it really comes down to we dont know enough to draw much more than they didnt think about anything outside of their story, vault city likely is running the enclave prison camp the positioning is WAY off for mr headless courier to arrive where he needs to go and the NCR would have dedicated at least a couple of rangers to keep an eye on this rather large and compact amount of energy if they were still a functional nation

[@ilovenovels]

Also why tf are the brotherhood aboveground like a bunch of raiders and not in a self made military vault? And since when did they make squires as dependable as a plastic wrapper? And why can every other cult in the series follow fervently their beliefs but not once do we see anyone in the brotherhood try to follow the codex. Its like they got taken over by raiders.

[@TheFrogEnjoyer]

As far as I'm concerned the TV series is it's own canon

[@inzyniertv9305]

Its simply not canon

[@DC-it2ng]

Sorry, but that's not how that works.

[@GG_1318]

@@DC-it2ng it contradicts fallout 1 and 2 so it is discarded

[@DC-it2ng]

@GG_1318 Lmao yeah right like you've ever played the first two games. New Vegas is fanfiction.

[@GG_1318]

@@DC-it2ng wtf are you talking about, the new vaults are placed extremely close to where the master is. Those fuckers absolutely would have been raided. And then there is the enclave raiding vaults along the coast. Shady sands was only as safe as it was because it was so far inland

[@_Tennessee]

To me, the NCR was always going to die. It's whole premise was that it believed too much in itself and stretched itself thin. But what I don't like is how the show went about doing it. The NCR was supposed to be destroyed by itself, eaten from the inside out. That, to me, is the most sound ending for the NCR. I don't think it was supposed to die via a military defeat and certainly not a NUCLEAR BOMB on Shady Sands. It's too ridiculous.

[@levicarpenter5509]

Why do people think that 1 capital city caused the ncr to die, that's like saying "Washington DC got nuked so that means the USA is destroyed"

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

⁠@@levicarpenter5509Because raiders are so prominent in the aftermath, which wouldn’t be the case if a large nation like the NCR were present with a patrolling military. There’s a reason why the Great Khans ran all the way north or to the Mojave by the time of New Vegas. They ran because in the core of the NCR, they wouldn’t stand a chance unless they were really well hidden. There’s also the presence of the Brotherhood of Steel, which the NCR did not have a tolerance for after FO2. All these factions hostile to the NCR being present in NCR territory only really make sense in the context of the NCR being very weak.

[@pivomanslovensko]

Season 2 could depict an NCR civil war in the remaining NCR territories. That would be cool.

[@levicarpenter5509]

@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes the ncr was spread super thin and nuking the capital would leave a large fucking wound, it makes sense that it would cause the ncr to retreat or have to bring all their forces on patrol back to protect the rest of their cities, on top of that the nuking of their capital would cause a huge drop in moral and also most likely the brotherhood of steel exploited that large open wound in the ncr if they haven't already with the ncr already being spread super thin and with season 2 if we get the information that the ncr lost the.2nd battle of hoover damn then that would deal a huge blow to the ncr as well because if they lost they would have lost a lot of recourses, for example: man power, supplies like guns and ammo, and moral, the ncr put everything into the hoover damn and the Mojave and them losing the 2nd battle and being driven out of the Mojave is a significant blow and for all we know there could've also been civil unrest in the ncr since the Mojave campaign was heavily disliked and if they got driven out of the Mojave then they could've erupted into a full blown Civil war

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

@@levicarpenter5509 Amen to that

[@wandereringshadow8658]

I consider the TV show its own canon, but knowing the direction the series is going in- its likely the next game will force an arbitrary reason why the TV show is canon into it.

[@DC-it2ng]

Every mainline game and the show are canon. Even if you don't like it, that's how it is.

[@user-qr3so8yz4c]

@@DC-it2ngBethesda butt kisser

[@frogking5573]

​​@@DC-it2ng go touch grass lol

[@dogecursor5190]

@@DC-it2ng agreed. even if you dont like it, you HAVE to accept that it is cannon. the people who OWN fallout said it is cannon, so.... you cant really dispute it

[@DirtyDan1]

​@@DC-it2ng😂😂😂😂😂 your goofy ass was in another thread saying only the first 2 games are canon. And the rest are fanfiction. Smooth brain moment. But you tell others to get their facts straight about the series, but you can't seem to do that your own goofy ass self.

[@gavinisdie]

I think out of all factions in Fallout. It would be the NCR that would survive thier capital getting nuked

[@ilovenovels]

Yeah the ncr is supposed to be the cockroach infinite manpower faction, thats how they pushed back the brotherhood.

[@toomanyaccounts]

@@ilovenovels except the brotherhood was stomping the ncr

[@alexloponte7056]

@@toomanyaccounts No

[@ezekieltorres1477]

Alright next next episode of the enclave is next. Either late June or early to almost mid July

[@markjackson1989]

I mean, the same thing happened in Cyberpunk with Night City and Heywood. Heywood was a district that used to be a semi industrial housing district. Then it moved across the bay and took over the old south downtown. Shady Sands could've been essentially gerrymandered over a hundred years. Or just moved, since it's a large distance between places.

[@user-lr2qj8je7w]

Is it a coincidence that a bunch of things happened in 2277 in the fallout universe? For example the first battle of Hoover dam, the fall of shady Sands and fallout 3 takes place at the same time

[@AmericanUnionState1824]

The NCR will become the FCE, the First Californian Empire.

[@Drojas88]

Even in the TV show, the writers and producers fuck up so bad it's up to the fans to try to salvage and make sense of things. Things shouldn't be like this, the fans shouldn't have to clean up after the incompetent heads fuck up the timeline and locations. I 100% believe they nuked Shady just for shock value and tbh I would rather see the NCR gone than have it be zombified and keep having it butchered by these showrunners who clearly don't give a shit about lore

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

It’s like the games, where there has to be mods to make fewer game crashes and/or less severe game crashes.

[@berdduck]

One head is destroyed, but one remains.

[@Teno2001]

Basically the show creators and writers are hacks. They also now nothing about fallout lore.

[@gamerswemeetagain2613]

Yeah the nuking of the NCR was a dumb writing decision but im going to wait and see what they do in season 2 before i get all up in arms about it.

[@rowan7149]

This is the correct response. It was dumb not to explain the plot holes in the TV show but they are just plot holes. They can be filled. It will probably get explained in season 2. It’s childish of fans to just flip the table over and say that Bethesda ruined fallout when they didn’t. We just need to be patient and wait.

[@Subject_Keter]

​@@rowan7149 Considering they couldnt even figure out where Shady Sands is appose to be abd where they think it is. Nah man, you write or die. Convey your points or die under the weight of succ.

[@earhearthush-up5549]

Thank god, I’m so glad there are actual rational fans still left. New Vegas will always be my favorite game of all time but holy hell, we have one of the worst, most toxic fan bases of all time.

[@rowan7149]

@@earhearthush-up5549 Fallout fans like to hate fallout. To immediately criticise everything when we haven’t even seen everything for a TV show that is essentially a pilot for a future show is dumb.

[@Baldwin-iv445]

Same boat

[@shawnaber612]

I'm so glad your back I love your videos especially about the enclave

[@Silly-rt8mt]

Hello omega I have been watching your videos for long time. I recently been watching your content again and absolutely love your new content and that enclave Navarro video was unique experience keep it up 👍 ❤️❤️❤️

[@topcat59]

Honestly it makes sense that what’s left of the NCR would self isolate themselves and become more brutal towards their enemies after losing one of its head, At least now they know what the brotherhood felt like.🐱

[@ilovenovels]

Except they should be way bigger than in the show, how come a society with senators and brahmin barons and lobbying has a capital with a population of 35 thousand??? And what happened with new vegas?? In any faction win except maybe yes man every faction expands like crazy over the wasteland. What happened to that?

[@SteelPanzer]

The King is back!

[@kevinrey5033]

Mr. Initiative, I have a question, slash suggestion, can you do a what if video on the enclave in Massachusetts, with the set up being Autumn surviving in F3, fleeing with 4 birds worth of survivors and meeting up with the chicago group currently in the Glowing Sea. Recovering enclave tech, Prewar military bases, a certain Chinese Submarine, and when the brotherhood arrives in their airship... I'll let you go from there.

[@JP-uf9sh]

I think it is not unlikely that there are different towns and settlements that call themselves Shady / Shady Sands - we do this all the time. But I do think that it is a hickup in the lore and I'm really interested if they iron this out somehow or just roll with it. The show has claimed itself to be it's own universe / a story within a story so I'm more lax with the lore but I do see why many take this as gross mistake.

[@solesurvivor3457]

The Fallout TV show is as canonical as I'm the planet Jupiter.

[@DOSFS]

I would be the one who 'like' or at least not angry and want to see more what they going with (at least from what we knew and can assume so far). NCR is position as 'a true good guy' on all of this. NCR is still survive from Todd himself. Moldaver's action while brutal is unquestionably noble. All other faction is position as clear bad guys, The Brotherhood is literally religious fanatic who shot first ask later to (literally mostly civilians) NCR force to get what they want. Vault tec... well is Vault Tec who tried to justified their believe that NCR existence itself contradict and disprove by any means (and fail). I would be surprise with all of this direction if NCR just gone as if the story continue in this same area, NCR is position in the overall story as the good that would be beaten but will return stronger.

[@dangi6516]

Todd is the biggest liar, 200 fallout 3 endings my ass

[@Krieto]

I’m just hoping Lucy will help rebuild the NCR or give a helping hand in the next season. The main reason why it fell was because of how corrupt it got

[@WaikingDeadStudios]

I know it’s hard to tell but something nobody points out is that the shady sands show population is the same/around the same as the NCR (city) population in fallout 2

[@unknowfornow35]

I will say the show? I can defeat it that it looks "good" as a fallout show. but that the problem it only looks good and if you dig any deeper. that when it goes bad. XD It just at least your putting thought into this. I 100% doubt anyone at the writing team for the show did. It just sad knowing NCR people.. worshipping the idea of NCR.. like a bunch of cult people or tribals.

[@inzyniertv9305]

The NCR is fine. This abortion of an show isnt canon

[@DC-it2ng]

Not how canon works.

[@inzyniertv9305]

@@DC-it2ng Whatever you say Tourist

[@superdark5557]

Thank you for showing me the word anachronism, some of my favorite concepts in media have this at its core and I didn't know the word for it.

[@conman2704]

I appreciate your dedication to putting together a logical solution, I wish others would too. Thank you for caring about the lore so much especially in regard to the factions. This level of integrity is lacking in the lore community and not just for fallout. You’re the best fallout lore channel still active on KZbin, with the qualifier only being added for my love of the old storyteller series. Looking forward to more of your what if series and please do more metro videos. Thanks again I can’t wait for the next video. Hopefully it’s a long one.

[@TheOmegaInitiative]

DEMOCRACY! That is why I made this video instead of a Metro one, but I still have one on the list. 🤗

[@JamesTheLamenter]

I don't consider the Fallout TV show canonical simply because of the kind of people who are writing it.

[@ChadOfAllChads]

I feel the same about new vegas. Too much fan service.

[@wandereringshadow8658]

@@ChadOfAllChads To be fair, New Vegas was referenced several times in Fallout 4, so its pretty hard to consider that one non-canonical., unless you also want to throw out Fallout 4. Which to be fair, wouldn't be the worst take in the history of Fallout.

[@BlueFusion2910]

​@@ChadOfAllChadscalling new vegas fan service but denying the show is....🤡

[@wandereringshadow8658]

@@BlueFusion2910 Exactly. I have more respect for the Fallout purists who only consider 1, 2, and tactics canon.

[@Deridus]

​@@wandereringshadow8658Tactics is only semi-canonical, though. Apart from the Airships and burning the Pitt, there's no concrete reference to the Central Brotherhood. By the end of Tactics, even the most dire ending for the BOS has them in charge of a small empire whereas the best ending essentially has them as a Wasteland Superower with veritable armies under it's contrrol, to say nothing of the Calculator and Vault Zero itself.

[@Badman-2287]

Bro when are you releasing episode 5 of the enclave in 76?

[@Daniel13-jx4nk]

I believe the NCR will still have holdouts in Dayglow, Redding or New Reno and with the reveal that Moldaver was an anti hero and the fact that the Enclave seems to be decently powerful and the fact that Vault Tech executive Hank Maclean was revealed to be a villain I reckon the Brotherhood of Steel will make peace with the NCR to team up against the enclave and vault tech

[@thomas777803]

The Fallout TV show was a slap in the face to fans. Bethesda was jealous that fans tend to like Black Isle/Obsidian's games more than theirs. So they nuked and retconned almost everything about those games in response.

[@DC-it2ng]

This is such an unfounded opinion. You do realize that New Vegas is and will always be a Bethesda title, right? They're the publishers, and they asked Obsidian to make it. Plus it's not like either New Vegas or Bethesda fanboys have played the first two games anyway. Too "hard" for them.

[@digger6843]

I dont think they are that malicious or butthurt, I think its just Bethesda either not caring or being ignorant of the lore

[@DC-it2ng]

@digger6843 Nah, to the New Vegas fanboy everything Bethesda does is apparently an act against them. A Bethesda employee could breathe and they'd consider it "destroying the lore". A lore they themselves know nothing about because New Vegas IS the lore to them.

[@frogking5573]

​@@DC-it2ng lmao you again? Go touch grass

[@noobikus5475]

​​​@@DC-it2ng ok i read already a couple of your Comments, and you are getting butthurt about New Vegas XD. For someone who just considers the OG Games Fallout 1 and 2 ( and Tactics ) Canon, you are very defensive about Bugthesdian Canon and declare it to be official Canon ?

[@guynamedbob8374]

The Brotherhood definitely did it, they were right there after the destruction so something is definitely up. It would make Maximus conflicted with his place in the Brotherhood. The Enclave would have good reason to destroy Shady Sands, seeing as the NCR were responsible for the sacking of Navarro. But I think the Enclave on the west coast are playing the long game like Vault Tec, and want to remain hidden.

[@AntonVShokolov]

6:08 No way how did you get audio from the writers room??

[@kitsune_enjoyer_Ein]

What probably happened is that the NCR and the Legion got Nuked by Ulysses or the Courier. After that a few towns were left untouched by the Nukes, and in the end the Overseer went in and Nuked one of the last biggest cities the NCR had left. That is only one idea amongst many.

[@sinisterisrandom8537]

I seriously get annoyed when folks think the NCR is dead simply because a small detachment at best got wiped. FO4 also mentioned the NCR.

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

The enemies of the NCR like raiders have claimed whole towns. They are weakened at best by this point.

[@artyom-ovsepyan]

No, it’s not about the destruction of one small detachment. It’s about the whole region of LA having almost zero NCR presence. As was said in the video, there were 700 thousand citizens of the NCR in F2. Where are all these people? Where are caravans trading with refugees from Shady Sands? Where are the Followers helping those people in that area? Where are the rangers patrolling the wastelands? What exactly does Moldaver’s group even do except raiding innocent people and growing crops?

[@earhearthush-up5549]

@@artyom-ovsepyan Except those 700 people weren’t all in LA… there’s multiple huge NCR controlled cities we just don’t see in the show, therefore can’t draw any conclusions on. Hell, The Hub is technically way more important to the NCR’s economy, and for all we know it’s doing just fine.

[@Subject_Keter]

​@@artyom-ovsepyanShow starts at that Pier and ends at Griffin Observatory, we didnt even get past the Hub. And them wastelanders seem like kinda who dong care or would remember a thing. Need more "proof" to show it isnt just "writers failing to convey their points."

[@digger6843]

If we take fo4 as canon it also states that the BoS is allowed to operate openly which can be seen in the show and if the BoS operates openly it can only mean that the NCR has little to no forces to oppose them, So while yeah the NCR as an entity could very much exist it would only exist as a rump state relegated to some corner of its former land

[@kylestevenson9699]

Honestly I just don't care about any of these franchises anymore. Who cares what Bethesda thinks of fallout? Who cares what Disney thinks of star wars? Who cares what 343 thinks of Halo? They are all garbage companies and their content worthless. As far as I am concerned, fallout ended with new vegas. Maybe fallout 4 if I am generous. Star Wars ended with legends and Halo ended with Halo 3 and reach.

[@AdrianFahrenheitTepes]

Honestly, the only thing I bothered with in Halo that might be 343 is the Master Chief Collection, and even then it’s up to me to finish Halo 3. Reach is a prequel correct?

[@kylestevenson9699]

@@AdrianFahrenheitTepes Yes. When you play Halo Reach and reach the the end the game, you'll find yourself helping the Pillar of Autumn escape and Halo CE is the next game story wise. From there everything pretty self explanatory timeline wise. Halo 1, then 2, then 3 and ODST around the same time(unless Halo 3 ODST actually takes place in two. Not sure.)

[@Lieutenant_Enclave2281]

Could you make a alternative scenario where the enclave succeed their mission in The commonwealth in the Fallout 4 next gen expansion?

[@dudewhyevenask]

"The short answer, no. The long answer, I get more ad revenue - i mean let's start with -----" is the best way to start a youtube video holyyyyy thats meta.

[@mysampleid]

No it's not because the show is not canon

[@DC-it2ng]

Not how canon works.

[@redcrown5154]

i wouldn't even discuss this garbage show tbh

[@archdornan8349]

I wholeheartedly agree.

[@DC-it2ng]

And yet this tourist fanbase that haven't played the first two games are continuously crying about it.

[@redcrown5154]

@@DC-it2ng ok? and?

[@DC-it2ng]

@@redcrown5154 "a-and?" Figures.

[@redcrown5154]

@@DC-it2ng sure buddy, enjoy your funko pops

[@mininoble2253]

Bro that is not a very plausible explanation, I think they just retconned the location and have to accept now that the location "has always been" (now) somewhere in sight of LA skyline.

[@Organizedhate]

You should talk about what would happen if the yes man ending was canon and what happens after

[@aaronskuse2207]

The TV show is nothing more than shitty fanfiction.

[@K9TheFirst1]

New Vegas is rife with hints that the NCR is pretty shaky, and is committing the same sins that doomed the old world. Two pieces that immediately come to mind is Director Hildern, when giving the quest for Vault 22, mentions that the NCR is running out of food, and fast, within a decade they will be feeding more mouths than they can sustainably do. The next item is the leader of the Rangers at Camp Golf mentioning how in California, there are no lakes anymore. They are running out of clean water. And I don't buy Shady Sands being moved. This isn't the first time a property had it's lore reconned, and it won't be the last. Ditto with the year of Shady Sands getting nuked. If it was supposed to shake NCR to it's core, it can't be before New Vegas, it would have come up. It's also called the FIRST capitol. The US went through two or three capitals before building Washington DC, it's hardly inconceivable that the seat of government was moved. And New Vegas is the lynch pin here. Regardless of which ending you get, even an NCR one, the NCR has lost a LOT of men and women in the campaign, and that causes instability. So I can absolutely see Shady Sands being the straw that broke the camel's back for the NCR. BUT!! I am NOT suggesting they are completely gone. At this time I think this is more of a Fall of Rome situation. Where Federal control over all of Southern California and immediately adjacent territories collapsed, but he NCR exists far to the north, consolidated, with a more stable population and resource production ratio, and needs a generation or two to stabilize before returning to reclaim the lost territory. So we are between the Sack of Rome and the Justinian Restoration if we are using an analogy to Rome (Irony is not lost on me).

[@unnamedshadow1866]

I think the NCR expansion into the Mojave, made the factions in California make their move. I think a faction that is not mentioned, but i believe played a key role in the Decline of the NCR is the Shi. We know they are technologically advanced. Also, their original starting place was a Chinese Nuclear Submarine. This would explain how Hank was able to get a hold of a Nuke. He made a deal with the Shi. The Shi expanded outside of San Francisco and openly engaged in war in Northern California. Combined with their Stealth Tech, and the NCR would have a hard time fighting them. Specially if they know that they possess nuclear weapons. Add the Brotherhood of Steel trying to reclaim territory. The slow return of the Enclave. And yeah the NCR was waging war against 4 or even 5 enemies at the same time by 2277,

[@Potato-rb8ms]

I'm pretty sure that the Obolisk wasn't in NCR in Fallout 2 l, if I remember right, and we don't see the monument to the vault dwelller. So it makes sense why it's in this city

[@Follower_of_Yeshua]

Bruh, They Should have Left California Alone in the Show, The Show Should have Been Where We Have not Been before (Canonical Wise) Like Texas or Florida.

[@nowsmile790]

It’s also very strange because for fallout it’s often known for picking the good ending as the canon one. For example, in fallout one and two the enclave and the super mutants don’t win they very easily but they don’t. In fallout three the enclave doesn’t convince the loan wanderer to put the FEV virus into the water treatment plant killing everybody. The good ending for the lonesome Road would be the sacrifice of ED To prevent the nukes from launching, but even then that would only destroy its supply line valuable one, but just a supply line. The brotherhood has basically made a complete 180 in power, turning from a dying faction into a ginormous superpower that’s stronger than it has been. It basically has no rivals and no people that can actually contend with it. Also, if the Legion, Mr. House and everybody in Vegas, they’re fucked the most interesting ending for new Vegas that leaves it so lots of interesting characters are still around as well as keeps everything going pretty well would be the mr. house ending.

[@MagiconIce]

Imho it makes no sense to assume, that the NCR, prepped with their experiences from the First Battle of Hoover Dam, loosing the second Battle against a mainly melee force when they got an Air Force, Guns, Artillery etc. But the strain caused their "Fall", atleast in that local area. It is a reasonable explanation that they went isolationist and retreated from the Area of the Bone Yard. It also is reasonable to assume that at some point they moved the government and the identity of Shady Sands to Los Angeles, since historically Humans tend to settle near Rivers and Coasts for multitude of reasons, so it makes sense to move the capital there and relocate historical items like that Obelisk. With the capital being destroyed by a nuke, the remaining NCR suddenly having lost it's government would've needed to reorganize and for that sake going isolationist, giving up the State of the Boneyard for the time being. I'm curious about what the 2nd season will bring, with the Father Clearly going towards New Vegas and who is in charge there. Some NCR governor? A Legate of Caesar? Or still Mr. House with an independent, authoritarian ruled State of New Vegas? I think the latter would make sense, since they also went through the trouble of selecting an actor to depict Mr. House in the first season, it would be a shame if he wouldn't have his story depicted. I don't know though how far they're going to treat the games as canon, if they pick one of the New Vegas Strings as Canonical Ending or if they just act like the conflict is still ongoing and the whole Fallout: New Vegas-Game didn't happen and the conflict evolved differently there.

[@limecatcher1482]

2:24 that brief second of deafening silence

[@izazaz]

I think its not Shady-Sands Its a big crater from Cathedral of children Cathedral and demonstration vault(Master home)

[@BryanVonFriently]

I do think it is supposed to be THE Shady Sands, and they did just move its location close to the Boneyard either because of plot convenience or because they did finally realize that the NCR capital being way closer to New Vegas than to the west coast despite the west coast being under their control but Vegas not being, is a bit weird. Which i'd agree to honestly, in Fo1 they just planted cities wherever they felt like, it was a first installment and they just didn't consider that in the future different ideas for plot would require it not being there. I'd say it'd make more sense for Shady Sands to have been near the Boneyard so the takeover of the west coast and the late arrival to New Vegas makes more sense. Because iirc it's not like they were in Vegas from the start, they only arrived there like a decade or so ago.

[@Turdinkledge]

Thanks for this video.

[@redenginner]

Okay someone needs to edit the NCR tax collection hit squad into the show now, complete with Kimball showing up and going "Pay Taxes!".

[@majorchimera2494]

My head canno is the TV show is non cannon, due to how many ret-cons to would require and it's bastardization of the different factions, though i do look forward to seeing more of Mr House.