This Jeep is mindblowing. Loved it, the interior is just at another level and the new engine is quite impressive, turbo lag of course but plenty of power.
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
It’s a freaking beast
@desmondgurley Жыл бұрын
Absolutely beautiful and the L version actually looks more suited for this rectangular design. Compared to the esv or yukon XL, that is noticeably streched from the rear C pillar. The wagoneer L though is symmetric front and back, whereas the shortbase rear is cut short. I love this thing! I can see Jeep going 4xE for this b4 GM. Lol and the fact that Joe is disappointed there's no ventilated 3rd row seats just proves how much Jeep is spoiling us with luxury throughout! Great work Lori! Team Raiti's Ride hits another one out of the park!
@haopengsun19732 жыл бұрын
Would still go for the V8, not much time left.
@Dad_of_War2 жыл бұрын
That's a weird reason. It has less horsepower and uses more gas due it's old tech, but hey whatever works for you.
@EliB2002 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't this is better in every way that matters
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
You better believe it!
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
@@Dad_of_War I guess it’s nice to have options.
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
@@EliB200 good call!
@sfodge72 жыл бұрын
the ease at which candies just roll off your tongue is amazing...i love it and your videos!!
@carlosbaltodano78112 жыл бұрын
Great review! I ordered mine on Sep 23, your reviews were super helpful in making that decision! Still no build date. Can’t wait to get it, but my understanding is that it is a six week wait once the build date is assigned. If you order one, be prepared to wait.
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
That is so wonderful Carlos! Congrats!
@thatguy94392 жыл бұрын
Congrats!! Thats very exciting. I agree with you though, I ordered a scat pack challenger this year and waited 9 months to get it. Worth the wait though. Hope you enjoy your brand new vehicle!
@59ersfootball7 ай бұрын
Congrats on being rich.
@carlosa.taboas92912 жыл бұрын
A big nice car, great review like always!!!!!
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
We appreciate you Carlos!
@luiselapostolfeliz24212 жыл бұрын
Amazing Grand Wagoneer L you know you're doing well in life you've got a long long SUV.
@Lianpe982 жыл бұрын
what?
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
Perfect way to look at it 😂
@luiselapostolfeliz24212 жыл бұрын
@@RaitisRides Thank you Apostle Joe it's dandy.
@mystictk41492 жыл бұрын
Man, it’s a freaking beast that’s for sure. I personally don’t have any complaints about it and the dark color combination always catches my attention.
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
I like the way that you think
@mystictk41492 жыл бұрын
@@RaitisRides Appreciate you saying that Joe.
@MisterMikeTexas2 жыл бұрын
I must say in all seriousness that is quite a rig, and should be a hella hit for Jeep Division. I like the way the digital displays are actually integrated in the dash instead of just hung or tacked on. My favorite Willie Wonka scene will always be the psychedelic boat ride, and Wonka's crazy Jim Morrison-style monologue during the ride. 😂 Gene Wilder was awesome! The whole cast was great.
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing that great comment Michael.
@deadly1342 жыл бұрын
But it won’t cause the msrp is just too insane on these wagoneers
@sambeagle722 жыл бұрын
@@deadly134 your insane man. its what it is today. highest trim tahoe goes for 100k+ i work at a hyundai dealer palisades go for 60k santa fes are 50k for highest trims. these jeeps are gonna sell amazing. only choice if people want a chassis on frame big suv they would have to go tahoe or escalade. but we all know gm has been having issues the past 10 years.
@GBLecci2 жыл бұрын
Great ride as always Joe. I was looking into the Yukon and the Grand Wagoneer, honestly there is no comparison. The Jeep is way more sophisticated and feels more spacious, even while the cars are quite similar. Great video and review as always.
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
I am so glad that I can share this one with you!
@mariowhyte28162 жыл бұрын
Hoooooooooly moooooly!!! Jeep is about to give us as many powertrains as they can with this beast huh!!! Hey I say they throw in that Hellcat motor in there then!!! The twin turbos give more power vs the base but ya can't beat that V8 growl!!! Drop it an inch or two lower, because let's be honest, most of these ain't going offroad lol I'm digging this rig!!! Joe, go right ahead and load this onto that expedited Massachusetts bound transporter please and thank you very much!!! Amazing review Joe and Lori and Steven!!! Beast!!!
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
I like the way you think Mario!
@walkseeworld888 Жыл бұрын
thank you for sharing. i looking car like this for road trip. my is Ford 150 XLT now pretty good but looking for another car SUV this help a lot!
@RaitisRides Жыл бұрын
Very true!
@danielshaffer74502 жыл бұрын
Honestly I'm glad I got the V8 Wagoneer. I regularly get 17.5 mpg combined perk tank and it's super quick and sounds great. It doesn't seem like the new engine actually makes that many significant improvements.
@danielshaffer74502 жыл бұрын
Also, I'm unsure about this, but I know not all the Wagoneer engines could turn off half the cylinders when you're cruising. That has helped a lot with fuel mileage, and I'm curious if these new engines have that capability.
@jaserand6001 Жыл бұрын
@@danielshaffer7450 One thing you have to realize with this straight 6. You not only have more power. You also don't lose that power when taking trips and you have high altitude climbs. That is one thing I miss about not having a turbo on my car. My V8 is great but higher altitude I lose that power. Not a huge deal but noticeable for sure.
@kervensferdinand6692 жыл бұрын
Joe and Lori you guys are the best period. Thank youuu for this great review as always 🙏🏾
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
It’s our please my friend!
@ZeryusXD2 жыл бұрын
imagine if it had rear wheel turning it would truly be amazing
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
You are so very right!
@kevinp43052 жыл бұрын
Great review Joe! That JGW is amazing. My biggest gripe with the entire vehicle is the rear. It just doesn't look right. The full size GM trio is better looking imo. This is coming from a Jeep guy.
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
I am so glad that I can bring it to you Kevin!
@ridefree9160 Жыл бұрын
I'm with you. The rear end just does look right
@mikefisher16422 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. I have one of the Suburbans that had rear wheel steer from 2004. It u-turns tighter than our Lexus RX. And it reduces the side force you feel on mountain roads. But it does add 400 lbs, and a wider stance. And it wears tires a bit faster and now you cant get parts for it to align it well. But it is great for drivability and people are shocked how tight it turns. I have been waiting for another big SUV that could pull at least 10,000 lbs. This Wagoneer is the first viable option in a long time.
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your personal experience.
@hernandezdcarlos2 жыл бұрын
Bro! That’s amazing you get the latest cars out on the market that’s awesome!!!
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
I’m so grateful we can bring it to you!
@hernandezdcarlos2 жыл бұрын
I sell cars jeep ram and jeep for a living. Your walk arounds and demonstration makes me want to buy a car!! 💪
@archiejenkins26352 жыл бұрын
Lol! $109K??? They can keep it.
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
I know it’s not for everyone Archie
@invalidusername_51012 жыл бұрын
It's Cadillac V competition without the hp and Lincoln navigator cost the same also. That's just what you pay for full size luxury suv
@grandblaster572 жыл бұрын
Thinking what to get to upgrade to full size suv, this is the first then Escalade and lastly Chevrolet suburban or Tahoe. Newest model What are your thoughts between the three?
@1.21Gigawatts_2 жыл бұрын
You must have been sleeping for the last several years. This is what these vehicles cost now. Prices went up in every vehicle category. You want a monster size luxurious vehicle with all the technology, this is what you're gonna pay for it now
@archiejenkins26352 жыл бұрын
@@1.21Gigawatts_ - I’d rather have a house.
@cesarcataldi2 жыл бұрын
The steering wheel seemed more direct to me than in other SUVs where Comfort doesn't allow for many Sport performances and that already seems very good to me and with all those Technologies that make a car like this special and he it's special and super beautiful! Great Job !
@hunterphille1280 Жыл бұрын
I've never been into luxury vehicles but I'm in love with the interior of these
@tim-cook Жыл бұрын
Wish that back window rolled down into the tailgate like the last gen Sequoia and original Wagoneer. Also hoping Stellantis quality improves. This has the potential to be a big hit, but if it can't stay out of the service department, resale will go to poo.
@Luscious31742 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure a pair of aftermarket Magnaflow exhausts will fix the sound on that straight six 😎 I would pick this over the Denali Ultimate XL. It's amazing to see how far these King Kong SUV's have progressed over the last 20 years since the Excursion was retired. This is now the benchmark for 8 passenger pampering. More tech, more horsepower, more range, more cargo room - I'm liking it 👍👍
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
Excellent points my friend!
@online_now68342 жыл бұрын
@@RaitisRides both are very ugly, not sure who is designing these...
@EliB2002 жыл бұрын
@@online_now6834 disagree
@AdamSticksNTricks2 жыл бұрын
It is a split manifold, which means it is going to be raspy. You need a proper 6 into 1, single turbo for a good sound
@johnc.9133 Жыл бұрын
@@AdamSticksNTricks Yeah, I was just about to say. Putting an aftermarket exhaust on this won't sound too great, and will most likely be raspy and have a very "buzz" like sound in the upper RPMs. Tough to get a nice burble from an inline 6.
@bearstokes9030 Жыл бұрын
These car companies act as if $100 or over is a SIMPLE THING
@RaitisRides Жыл бұрын
I know right! Prices are out of insane!
@tri3pleagent2 жыл бұрын
Damn, that interior looks phenomenal!
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
Jeep did a great job!
@davonne225 Жыл бұрын
That is a nice large SUV. It should be in a class with the Range Rover, Navigator, and Escalade. It has an interior that is state of the art. Jeep and Ram have been doing awesome interiors lately.
@RaitisRides Жыл бұрын
This is so very true!
@westcruz38782 жыл бұрын
Joe and Lori 🎥 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸 Thnxs for bringing us great video’s .
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for having our backs
@MedisaneNotMedicine Жыл бұрын
hey brother, im loving videos. side note: please go back to saying twinkies in reference to anything with storage. its the best measure of how big the compartment is. thank you
@ryannewazada21022 жыл бұрын
Aloha Joe and Lori. This Mega Grand Wagoneer is a beast on the road and off-road. This is a luxurious SUV with an intimidating presence anywhere. It's pricey, but this makes the US President's ride, the Beast, a little munchkin. Plus, I love the features that you folks displayed as well. It's unbelievable that this twin-turbo engine has great horsepower and torque with a good fuel economy for this beast of an arsenal tank. Great video 📼 Joe and Lori. Plus, I love to see you guys evaluate the Wagoneer 4xe when it becomes available by Stellantis.
@reck96142 жыл бұрын
A Jeep dealer told me there are no more V8’s being made for either the Grand Wagoneer or the Grand Cherokee. Though they haven’t publicized that
@EliB2002 жыл бұрын
Not true yet
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
Not it but we are moving that direction.
@justinbean82242 жыл бұрын
On v8 for Wagoneer is series 1 for 2023. The Grand Wag short is v8 or inline. The GW L is only Hurricane
@teresasoto7479 Жыл бұрын
I have a 2022 Wagoneer fully loaded series 2 and I love it !! I was hesitant at first to buy it but I love it. I went from driving a 2019 Tahoe to the wagoneer and it has so much more room it feels like. Drives amazing. I say if you’re thinking of getting one go for it!
@FlufferNutterSandwich11 ай бұрын
Have you had any reliability issues, or major repairs?
@MercOne2 жыл бұрын
This engine is needed in the Grand Cherokee ASAP.
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
Big time Marcus!
@BruceLeeRoy262 жыл бұрын
Please! I just got the Grand Cherokee L a few weeks ago and that thing is dreadfully slow
@MercOne2 жыл бұрын
@Marcus Wilson I wouldn’t. Those vehicles are so raggedy that I wouldn’t waste this engine on them.
@nuelreview56362 жыл бұрын
I love Jeep in general but this one is a monster ,.totally in love with it❤
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
I am so glad that I can bring it to you!
@redbutbearhair2 жыл бұрын
I had 2 to make a decision of which engine I wanted to order. I went with the 6.4 proven and the turbo only gets 1mpg better. The turbo lagged when I tried it the 6.4 takes off.I can see big problems for a year or 2 with the inline. Just my 2 cents. Not a fan of turbos.
@mike3.0tt182 жыл бұрын
Nice ride! What's that 0-60? So about 430 awhp? My explorer st is 4.4 0-60
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
I think you are pretty close
@P4SDetails2 жыл бұрын
TTs are amazing. Have some holdouts with their ability to display raw power for things like towing, but if you just wanna play without torque, totally a blast. Great video bru.
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
Excellent points!
@Kyle-xt8ip2 жыл бұрын
that's almost 2x atmospheric pressure in boost. I'm curious to see how well they hold up.
@T.Andres3772 жыл бұрын
Late midweek car update just what we all needed it !!
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
More to come Andres!
@tomasnordin97782 жыл бұрын
Nice review,The Hurricane seems to be a good engine,but as a replacement for a V8,i don't think so.
@brianlee92332 жыл бұрын
Beautiful Grand Wagoneer (despite not being a huge Stellantis fan), Joe! It looks amazing!
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
I’m so glad that I can share it with you!
@DarkJediChrisG-14252 жыл бұрын
Hey Joe I absolutely think Jeep has a win and homerun on their hands. Im a big fan of its big personality, not the hefty price tag!!
@marcusturner52912 жыл бұрын
Nice review keep up the good work Joe
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
You got it Marcus!
@THATGUY4YOU2 жыл бұрын
I love this hi performance twin turbo powered dream .
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
510HP is nothing to laugh about for sure
@coolslc2 жыл бұрын
Really diggin the Wagoneer! the long version is the way to go for sure! perfect for Family trips here in FL or Cross Country! what you think about Montana? really want to check it out, beautiful scenery 👍🏽
@mikejames-drummerreginacan13862 жыл бұрын
Well done JEEP...Thanks Joe and Lori PS: HOW DOES THE MCINTOSH AUDIO SYSTEM SOUND ????
@vidsbyme2590 Жыл бұрын
Did I miss it? Does the 2nd row center column fold up to create a bench seat for my dog?
@morm2173 Жыл бұрын
One of the best. My dad has the 06 armada . I wish Sequoia and armada and QX followed this design
@Theonestrongbusleader2 жыл бұрын
I really love this SUV!! Amazing video Joe.
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
I had a feeling you would Jeremiah.
@CyCyBeOnCloud9ine2 жыл бұрын
This is the best Christmas gift a family can ever get 😂
@rfair1232 жыл бұрын
That's really nice, but if I buy one I want the 6.4 and then twin turbo and tune that :)
@palliebrown8932 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing vehicle. Interior features are far the best in the suv class. Better than the escalade
@RaitisRides Жыл бұрын
I am so glad that you are really digging this one.
@tolu21492 жыл бұрын
Lickable wallpaper is hilarious 😂😂😂😂 Love the vehicle
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
I am glad that you are digging this one,
@MisterMikeTexas2 жыл бұрын
I'm still wondering what a snozzberry tastes like! 😁
@coachmaupin2012 жыл бұрын
Nice SUV 🚙 ….. Jeep strikes again Like this one 🎉
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
You better believe it coach
@nikki5399 Жыл бұрын
I love that it’s an in-line 6. Just made this 100x cooler.
@troypattillo83162 жыл бұрын
Seeing resale value in a couple years should be interesting.
@Sandiegocruiser7 ай бұрын
Is the second row only 2 seats
@vetae10 Жыл бұрын
What’s the difference between the obsidian and the series 3?
@CupidinColorado Жыл бұрын
Adjustable, suspension, lane keep/cruise assist?
@killerb57262 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to see what this engine can do towing and can’t wait to see it in the Ram. As for the Jeep, wish it had 18” wheels. The look of the vehicle just seems off to me. More rubber might make it look better.
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
@jeffs60902 жыл бұрын
You can literally put any type and size wheel/tire combo you want on it. You don't have keep what comes from the factory on the car.
@killerb57262 жыл бұрын
@@jeffs6090 I certainly understand that but I guess my point is that every time you see a review on these, they have the 21 inch wheels and the body of the vehicle is so big it looks odd. It’s like the Shrek of the auto world, big up top but little on the bottom.
@Delstyle101 Жыл бұрын
Great video 👍🏽
@TcuB2 жыл бұрын
What car you got Joe?
@Slimothy2 жыл бұрын
Ye I’m curious what he driving
@antoniocail56082 жыл бұрын
Joe what a excellent video this jeep wagoneer l is sick
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Antonio! I am grateful for your support!
@chadc10172 жыл бұрын
Once again this was another high quality review!! I love the new checking out the new models including this Jeep with all the tech and luxury. My Zonk is the framed windows but the rest is very impressive.
@djn28722 жыл бұрын
I actually seen a wagoneer yesterday. Havent seen very many in the south'
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
I totally agree with that statement.
@grandblaster572 жыл бұрын
Thinking what to get to upgrade to full size suv, this is the first then Escalade and lastly Chevrolet suburban or Tahoe. Newest model What are your thoughts between the three?
@frankjlopes2 жыл бұрын
I’m definitely going for the Lincoln Navigator Black Label L 600 HP, I presently own the 2022 GW3 and I miss the rear glass hatch to open which Jeep get a BIG zonk for that
@zachritter70132 жыл бұрын
It looks great but I’ve seen very mixed opinions on the aesthetics and emissions. It’ll have to hold itself for a few years before it’s to be told whether it’s better than the Escalade ESV, Navigator L, Yukon XL. Suburbans technically more comparable to the reg wagoneer L but I’ve always been partial to them 😬
@kevtcal7 ай бұрын
Anyone know how much we can get a used one for now??
@Anane.2 жыл бұрын
Would you choose the 2023 jeep grand wagoneer over the other suvs
@Anane.2 жыл бұрын
It's not coming
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
Great question
@Anane.2 жыл бұрын
@@RaitisRides how can I contact you
@mattmekhaeil2 жыл бұрын
@@Anane. if you are contacting him for that package it's a scammer...
@Anane.2 жыл бұрын
@@mattmekhaeil thanks
@wordoofoono37892 жыл бұрын
very cool video I really enjoyed it
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to say the time to say that.
@phillipmier25892 жыл бұрын
Is premium fuel required for the 3.0?
@tp062 жыл бұрын
Jeep is just the best!
@porfiriato842 жыл бұрын
Best at unreliability
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
I’m glad that you are loving this!
@nabatron212 жыл бұрын
What type of fuel does it take? Regular or premium
@whodat91982 жыл бұрын
JP8
@EliB2002 жыл бұрын
Probably Premium
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
Premium
@philipwood8776 Жыл бұрын
0-60 is 5.6 Seconds...What a beast
@dominickirkwood2 жыл бұрын
I love it Joe and Lori and keep up the great work real t true and I love the video lot real true 💯 👍👍👍💯
@pierreeb1 Жыл бұрын
Have you done a video for any of the 2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee Ls?
@maddyM19922 жыл бұрын
Do the second row seats have power adjustment or recline?
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
That is a great question.
@Ch1N0.72 жыл бұрын
Best interior hands down
@bryanmesser70982 жыл бұрын
Huge SUV guy love them all very nice design but for the money the refreshed 23 Lincoln Navigator is the way
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
Everyone has their favorites for sure!
@scottandrews4822 Жыл бұрын
Does Sport mode make a difference in 0-60? I bet it would.
@nitroitis2 жыл бұрын
What was the 0 to 60 time??
@mattmekhaeil2 жыл бұрын
He said it in the video...
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
It is in the review.
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for having my back Matt.
@jerrypathalil Жыл бұрын
When can we see a side by side comparison of a jeep grand wagoneer L and a cadillac escalade ESV. Along with standalone review side by side comparison also is a good way for review and better understanding.hooe you may consider the same
@UknowWhoWeR2 жыл бұрын
Another great review!!!
@MrKam312 жыл бұрын
Hey can you review the series I Grand Wagoneer 2022 please.
@smiley616810 ай бұрын
I was thinking about this one or should i get the 2023 Lincoln navigator? Its hard to decide. Also that new Denali truck is bad too
@jaygotitdahardway99412 жыл бұрын
Bozeman Montana -Gods Country…💯🔥🚀
@iamthedutchbro2 жыл бұрын
Nah, Utah.
@porfiriato842 жыл бұрын
@@iamthedutchbro I'm going with Montana
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
Lori & I loved it!
@mattv23262 жыл бұрын
Awesome review Joe and Lori! The fingerprints on those screens would drive me insane! 😂
@scottlean6902 жыл бұрын
I have the wagoneer and bout a stylus pen. No finger prints here $9.99 well worth it.
@jerrylee78012 жыл бұрын
That hurricane engine sound smooth and it's powerful and quicker
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
You nailed it Jerry!
@carperdiem87542 жыл бұрын
Need some reviews on standard output Wagoneer
@theburg22202 жыл бұрын
Great review as usual. I don't need a vehicle this big, but would love that Hurricane in a Grand Cherokee L. Is Jeep going to build that combo?
@MisterMachete Жыл бұрын
I’m really loving this truck
@RaitisRides Жыл бұрын
I am so glad that I can share it with you!
@thejoshman12342 жыл бұрын
At 26 PSI is this thing gonna have long term reliability? That’s wild lol
@robertannable95842 жыл бұрын
Turbo looks pretty lagged, right there in WOT. What say you, Joe?
@kennethrine81712 жыл бұрын
I would still take the V8 With a little tune you'll have more H.P.
@Dad_of_War2 жыл бұрын
Oh a tune that voids the warranty? You can tune the turbo 6 too
@EliB2002 жыл бұрын
Ok void your warranty for barely any HP, or not do that and get the hurricane 🌀
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
Not to sure about that
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
@@Dad_of_War very good points.
@d3j0512 жыл бұрын
I currently have a straight 6 in my BMW X5 and I had a Hemi Dodge Charger with the powerful motor and i would say the inline 6 is better for a luxury and smooth experience and the big Hemi for the rumble and sound of a powerful V8. In the Grand Wagoneer, I would go with the inline 6.
@bigheavy122 жыл бұрын
Another great video
@nevco8774 Жыл бұрын
I am looking forward for seeing its Recharge version next year. That promises a lot.
@RaitisRides Жыл бұрын
We will see what Jeep brings.
@michaelkovalsky49072 жыл бұрын
People: Cars too expensive. Also People: I want big SUVs. People Again: Why cars so expensive?
@randyrios82982 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the Your Joe!! I think this will be my next car!! - Randy
@RaitisRides2 жыл бұрын
That is wonderful Randy! Thanks for tuning it
@alexmaclean12 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure why so many people are afraid of these turbo 6 engines. Ford has been doing it for decade now and they are all going 200k miles, 300k or more if you change the oil every 8k. There is nothing wrong with the hemi, but the platform is 20 years old now, they have to move on in order to meet future emissions rules. That would mean a redesign and while that may happen in another couple years for the trucks, it was a lot easier to slap another 2 cylinders onto the inline turbo 2 liter they've have for a few years.