Is the New Warcry Box WORTH IT? Sundered Fate

The new box for Warcry - Sundered Fate - has great models in it, but is missing important stuff.
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[@Xandrillus]

I agree with your ideas for a release schedule. The starter box should be available the entire "season" of Warcry and Kill Team.

[@tabletopminions]

It’s interesting: the “Into the Dark” Kill Team box is still available (which is akin to the “Heart of Ghur” box for Warcry) so I don’t know why they don’t bother keeping the Warcry box in-stock. Thanks for watching!

[@davidschneider5462]

@@tabletopminions I wonder if it's another global supply issue since the Kill Team box is still available.

[@ionminiatures]

@@davidschneider5462 but generally it would just say “temporarily out of stock” in that scenario and not just disappear from the website.

[@simon6154]

I still want the first starter set box. But now on amazon it goes for 500€. No thanks haha But yea I agree. They force people who want to play this factions on release into buying this huge box

[@SgtMaj22]

A modular starter set with board, terrain and rule book then add on packs with two forces and their rules would be a great way to start and build on the game.

[@nathanbrown3155]

I would love to see some sort of build your own starter set, because these boxes are heavily discounted in comparison to buying everything separately but, like you said, are rarely full of things that I actually want.

[@ogremark5]

I agree with your feelings about these boxes Adam. If they are going to do big box games with 2 forces they should be starters with rules and tokens. I didn’t get the first Ghur box nor will I get this one. I’m not digging the meat trees. If I’m going to invest my time building scenery it will be stuff with broader use. I really like the rules though. Warcry is the tightest best designed rule set GW make. RE tokens. I have lots of activation tokens. I just used a black marker to make some cross tokens into single slash tokens.

[@arielsanchez465]

FYI, the Bladeborn (Warcry lite) boxed game sold at Barnes and Noble comes with two of the old Underworlds warbands and a FULL Warcry dice set for $50.

[@tiredguy2753]

That is if you can find a copy…

[@DiscourseMinis]

Totally totally agreed. I don't like the big bundle release boxes. The entire season model seems designed to pressure players into buying products asap, but it's hurting accessibility. I wish they'd just release new Warcry warbands as separate releases the way they used to so players could pick up the warband that speaks to them and play the game!

[@ronnihansen2063]

they should do a cheap starter set like they have for kill team

[@Izzyspaintingworkshop]

Those lizard people you painted up look really good! Great video as always!

[@kennethphillips6006]

Hi Uncle Atom! I agree about having the Core Rules, but I thought that not having the book in this box was intentional. GW has made the Core Rules available as a free download from their Warhammer-Community site since August.

[@tabletopminions]

They made a 26-page PDF available for free, which they call a “basic version” of the core rules. It’s mainly to get an idea of how Warcry 2.0 works. The actual book is 160 pages and has all the campaign stuff and battleplan generator and whatnot. Thanks for watching!

[@toddashley407]

@@tabletopminions Yeah the book in the box is way bigger and actually arguably what makes the current iteration of Warcry really good. The campaign content is extremely surprisingly good I think.

[@tomb2000ad]

I agree, I want the Lizardmen but nothing else from this box so I'm going to wait until they're released separately. Just to note i think the core rules are free to download from GW.

[@tabletopminions]

26 pages of the 160-page core book are free, what GW calls the “basic rules.” It’s enough to get the hang of how Warcry 2.0 works, but it’s not all the rules. Thanks for watching!

[@odeegrotsniffer4166]

It's not a good point. The free rules are everything you need to play, combined with what is in the box you have a campaign too. He's being obtuse.

[@hunterballard2304]

It is worth noting that the core rules (not the whole book, just the ~20 pages of rules themselves) are available as a free PDF somewhere on Warhammer Community I believe. At least they were at some point. Hopefully they haven’t taken them down.

[@TheMrFishnDucks]

Definitely agree these boxes should include everything to be ready to play. Nice video. Keep up the good work.

[@johnycapital4113]

I want absolutely everything from this box: terrain for killteam, AOS, 40k; warbands for my StD army + my future seraphon army; cards and book for warcry gameplay. 100 value box to me.

[@thehobbypony4265]

I just had a talk with my local Warhammer Store, about the ridiculous release/cancel dates on a lot of things GW. How stuff is released and then goes almost immediately out of print and how that prevents customers -like me- from buying into certain product lines. Like Warcry. Partly because of money, and partly because I don't want to buy into something that will not be a thing in the community in 6+ months or can resupplied in the long run. I totally agree with you. GW needs to release a starter box, keep it in production, maybe update it every 3-4 years. This will get more people hooked on their products. Then release and remove the supplements as they see fit.

[@RylanStorm]

My friends and I have just done a three way split. They get a team each, I get the scenery.

[@Wow-nl2zr]

Waylaid games (uk) were selling Heart of Ghur 40% off over the last few weeks. £90 after discount was still expensive but more bearable.. and warcry really is a great game IMO.

[@briochepanda]

They really should be printing a small half sized copy of the core rule like they've done previously for other games. Just the core how to play, rules and such, how to run a campaign and some of scenarios. All you need sans the fluff and warbands. Hell print it in black and white even.

[@pickledblowfish6178]

Hard disagree. Everything they print should be their large hardcovers, with a pdf code.

[@rutgaurxi7314]

Do what Corvus Belli does with Infinity, make the rules 100% completely free, then charge for books with fluff. As long as it doesn't cost the earth, I would not mind that.

[@briochepanda]

@@pickledblowfish6178Large hardcovers are nice, but they should by no means be the only physical book offering. As a guy with limited shelf space I've a preference for soft covers and smaller books at time.. especially if it means a lighter load when travelling. As for PDF rules, couldn't agree more that any physical copy should come with an accompanying digital version for the convenience that offers.

[@pickledblowfish6178]

@@briochepanda yeah they're very convenient. I just love me the hardcover work the little flapy bookmarks. Sorry if it came off as aggressive. 😁

[@briochepanda]

@@pickledblowfish6178 No problems buddy, I might've been a bit reflexive too. Can't disagree with a good solid hardcover, but my bookcase is bowing a little on my "rule book" shelf. XD I wouldn't ever want to see the lovely full cover art books go either, the AOS one that came with dominion is very nice in particular, even if it is a bit of a coffee table book. 😅

[@midnight4669]

Avp minis look amazing on this style of terrain. I love that Heart of Ghur box!

[@LucaLacchini]

It's a lesson I've learned during the run of Kill Team 1st Ed, when there were those sweet terrain sets at a very reasonable price: buy everything, if possible. I don't like the "seasons" model, but as Warcry it's the last GW line that I'm still interested in - KT2 is almost offensive to me, WH40K suffers from an unsufferable Codex creep, army building in AoS is a chore - I can deal with it. GW has a way too cluttered schedule release, but that's nothing new.

[@Anjohl]

KT2 was such a slap in the face. They *literally* stripped out everything that made KT KT.

[@johnbeaudoin7820]

It’s probably already been said, but a few months after the Octarius box was sold out, GW created a Kill Team “starter set” that had all the same stuff, minus the big Ork terrain and the “two factions” book (and that set has stayed in stock). Maybe GW has a similar watered-down launch box in mind for Warcry.

[@odeegrotsniffer4166]

I'm excited about this, I want everything in the box and am happy they put it out. The rules are free online so you don't need the rulebook. As far as tokens and dice, yeah, those should probably come in it, but as the person in my play group who champions Warcry, I'm glad I'm not getting even more dice and even more tokens- tokens I didn't think people even used honestly.

[@tabletopminions]

26 pages of the 160-page core book are free, what GW calls the “basic rules.” It’s enough to get the hang of how Warcry 2.0 works, but it’s not all the rules. Thanks for watching!

[@odeegrotsniffer4166]

Lmao, whatever man. It's everything you need to play the game, especially when paired with the book that comes in the box. It's a bad faith argument. Thanks for space station zero though.

[@BryceChristiansen]

I'm a new Warcry player. But I am hooked to the story of this world and love that it's a season that will continue the story with new terrain and warbands coming in. I can't wait to get closer to the crashed ship and seeing that terrain appearing more heavily instead of the oaks. And learning answers to the mysteries like wtf caused the ship to go down in the first place and where are the bigger Seraphon? I would love to see more of that race as warbands over the next few sets.

[@fumarc4501]

I know what you mean. I really like both of these warbands.

[@JMcMillen]

I kind of agree that these boxed sets are getting a bit tiresome. What might be better is if they released the two warbands, terrain, and book as four separate things BUT... also did a discounted bundle for those that want to buy all four (possibly limited time offer). Then everyone could get just what they wanted and those that want it all could save some money by buying it all at once.

[@melle4390]

As someone who is on the verge of beginning with Warcry (as an ancient Mordheim player from the early 00's) I must admit I'm confused as to why there are so many big boxes coming out for this game. They look and feel like starter boxes, but aren't. They sort of look like expansions, but are too big and expensive. I really like the look og both the warbands and the terrain in this box, but having to dish out another 50 dollars/euros just for the rulebook and even then not having any tokens or dice to play with just shows the weird juxtaposition this box is in.

[@JMcMillen]

@@melle4390 I'm pretty sure you can still download the Warcry rules and compendium force lists from the Warhammer Community site. So unless you have to have a physical copy, you don't have to buy them. As for the tokens, unless you want to make your own I'd say to check Ebay. There might still be some people who parted out the first Ghur box trying to get rid of them. You might even be able to find the rules + tokens in a good bundled deal.

[@TheDarktater]

This is the first box that has two armies I am interested in. Lizardmen (Seraphon) are one of my first loves in Warhammer Fantasy. I do still need the rulebook, but I have the tomes that I want.

[@richwalker659]

you have the perfect radio voice, enjoyed many of your videos over the pandemic

[@paulaceto6492]

This box made sense for me to buy. I already have a bunch of Warcry 1.0 stuff already, so I bought the 2.0 rulebook as soon as it was released. Nothing in the Ghur box appealed to me, but I wanted everything in this new box. So it was cheaper to buy as a package.

[@TheRonskuli]

was thinking about getting in to warcry with this box because i love the lizzybois... but without the rulebook i dont think i will anymore

[@grendelb3298]

I know warhammer community has the compendium and "simple" core rules available for download. However, you are right. A starter product should have some form of rules. I liked the small pamphlet size versions of rules for GW games. Besides, the fluff can be found everywhere. Thanks for the great video!

[@ZergS4uc3]

terrain ive noticed in the big boxes have been part original box and then all new stuff, my group has been playing with the trees, the graveyard, the original, the mining, and our own terrain, as a group i buy all the books physically and we only use one copy in store unless we need info at home

[@RichieWitch]

This box would work for someone like me who got started by buying Bladeborn, then slowly migrated to Warcry by downloading the core rules off the GW Community site, and buying a game mat and terrain on Etsy. The Bladeborn minis can be combined into a single Slaves to Darkness warband and I had bunch of Beasts of Chaos in storage for the other warband. Obviously, I don't fit GWs marketing strategy for this box, but I think this box would be useful for anyone who took an unorthodox or homebrew path to Warcry.

[@silasvbenson]

Completely agree with your overall feelings - I want both warbands but have enough terrain. I'm happy to wait, but it would be nice to get the bits I want at original release

[@edgarbryan9804]

I agree with you Uncle Atom! I also cant get over the price gouging that happens with GW on this side of the pond (U.S.). As far as rules I'm more interested in third party rules. The GW minis and terrain are awesome but the rules all feel clunky. They remind me of old school Battletech. Thanks for the great video! Also I love Space Station Zero!

[@rorycanning2087]

I agree with the starter set box year long. I know they came out with a trimmed down version for season 1 of Kill-Team that I thought was neat, perhaps a trimmed down version for warcry is in the works. It would be after everyone buys the bigger, beefier, more expensive box, but hey, it's GW.

[@VentrueMinis]

I adore those jade Tzeentch models.

[@komma8203]

After collecting almost every warcry and kill team boxes ever released, i got a lot of terrain its several full aos and 40k tables of it, and if you want the warbands and kill teams that comes in those boxes then the terrain is free if you look at what every warband/killteam cost separately, and if youre going to buy the terrain by it self, then most of those boxes has terrain for anything from 40 to a 100 bucks and mostly its terrain for over 50 bucks in them. So i like all these boxes a lot, its so good value, and if pepole dont want it all then just wait for the warbands/killteams to release separately

[@toogreytogame]

Remember the new Kill Team got the starter set some time after Octarious. If Warcry is following the same model, expect a Warcry starter set which will be everything but just scatter terrain. In regard to these last two boxes, I really dislike the terrain so not felt they're worth picking up. Picked up all previous warcry box sets.

[@Vallinen92]

Picked up a Heart of Ghur box that was still available at an LGS's online store, for my first Warcry set. I never get to play wargames anymore since my friends don't want to spend their money on models so I'm just gonna collect them myself and invite people to play. Hopefully I'll get some games, hopefully.

[@danncozey]

I really appreciate your honest reviews of GW dude, thank you !!

[@Ranzarok]

Started getting into Warcry (thanks in part to your vids). I had a chance to pick up Red Harvest for $120 USD (here in Texas) but passed after talking to the group I am going to play with. SO I spent the money on the Darkoath Savagers box, an Orruk Brute box and the Megaboss. Now I have 2 warbands. They said I could use their tokens. :) I wish you could get the warband cards though. Not sure why GW does that with the cards but I had to deal with the same thing with my Necromunda gang. Keep up the good work.

[@theundeadgentleman4998]

Cards don't currently exist for most units in the game now that the new edition has rolled around. You can, however, print off your own since GW put out all the rules and stats for every model out on their community page. Your Darkoath are in the Chaos Eightpoints pdf and the Ironjawz are in the Destruction pdf.

[@Ranzarok]

@@theundeadgentleman4998 Thanks, I appreciate the info.

[@appledornart2535]

What's nice with this set is that the duplicate sprues have added parts, so if you put all 7 obstacles pieces on a board, there are no duplicates. Also, Sundered fate is definitely for me. I didn't like the horns of Hashut so I skipped heart of ghur. But I already have all the supplements I need to play. And I'm absolutely in love with both of these new warbands and the terrain. If I can get all three plus a bespoke campaign book at a slight discount I'm all in.

[@MentoliptusBanko]

I liked the Warcry and Kill Team releases where they had separate terrain and single warbands. This 2-warband boxes with terrain are too expensive if you want only a single warband or only terrain.

[@threewiseman1]

Worth noting that they will release these all separately when the next box rolls along in about Feb. So if you only want one warband, you just have to wait til then.

[@terminator572]

Damn it they never make Saurus these days.

[@jamesmaas7244]

To be fair, we don't NEED any of the new expansions for Warcry, nor Kill Team either. As you pointed out, the way GW has been working lately, the warbands and campaign books from each expansion are released separately about month later. The only reason to buy each new expansion WHEN they come out is because the contents are cheaper together then if you wait and buy them separately. Me, I'm picking it up because I like the look of the two warbands and I want to learn more about the crashed Lizardman spaceship that is at the heart of Ghur. (Side note, whenever I say Ghur, I think of Gir, the little robot from Invader Zim!!)

[@odeegrotsniffer4166]

The warcry core rules are free. You can get this and use those. Done.

[@anotherzingbo]

This is a very good point. I believe that this set contains a few battleplan cards so with them and the free rules you've got what you need to play a variety of missions.

[@tabletopminions]

26 pages of the 160-page core book are free, what GW calls the “basic rules.” It’s enough to get the hang of how Warcry 2.0 works, but it’s not all the rules. Thanks for watching!

[@bevedale]

I like it for Kill Team because there is more lore that can be represented (Corsairs, Navy Breachers) that wouldn't ordinarily get models, where as a lot of WarCry bands are completely new creations.

[@mcdoogle_robotman]

They should sell the tokens & core book together that you can just buy if you don't want the placements, it's like they don't really care.

[@panimauser970]

Pretty sure they will make generic Warcry starter box, like they did with Kill Team. KT basically got Octarius-lite - mostly the same package, but with less terrain. I kinda liked KT quarterly boxes, as I want them all (I am a bit of KT advocate locally, so I want to have everything on hand, and those boxes are cheaper than buying separately), but the Shadowvaults situation pissed me off. I do not buy them on preorder usually, and I am used to be able to pick up boxes when it is convenient financially for me. So the fact Shadowvaults is nowhere to be found frustrates me from 'collection' standpoint. If I want to keep everything available for curious local players to try it out, I will have to pay a lot more when they release it separately. And in all honesty, those box-set books are absolutely not worth the price GW sells them for separately. 45$ for two teams+a handful of terrain addons? Get lost! Not to mention that it was released just few weeks after Into the Dark instead of supposed three month, which was so out of left field and did not fit into any of my purchasing plans at that moment. Like, at this point I am not sure if I even want to keep the KT collection thing going. Completionist part of me wants it still, but I am just too frustrated with what happened with latest box. And I refuse to buy boxes books separately. Just no. Its place is being a free addon to discounted terrain and models, and it should be free pdf after (with reprint in Annual). Atm the combined price of books is the weakest point of KT. And kinda the reason I decided to collect it - so my gaming community has them available to borrow. Warcry at least has compendium for free. Which is nice. I wish KT had it. Free Intercessor rules had a major impact of amount of people wanting to try KT. It would be even at a better place now.

[@vocenoctum2046]

I didn't have any interest in the first two warbands, Rotmire and OtherGuys, but did buy the terrain on ebay since I love the swampy setting. This time, I want both warbands, and the chameleons will get some use overall. I'll build an entire swampy field! The first box is already split up, rulebook available or rules are free pdf also, warbands split, terrain out there. It would be nice if there was an intro box for sure, but when it's tied to themed warbands, it can be as exclusionary as inclusionary, as it were. Tokens should be in there though, that I agree with for sure. Nice and thematic.

[@machinamawatcher]

8:21 Remember that the core rules are free on WarCom! While that PDF doesn't have the matched or narrative rules and only has 2 scenarios, with the scenario cards in this box set you can have a pretty fine experience playing with this box without spending a dime on the core rulebook!

[@marcog7442]

4 of this boxes will come out every year!, do you want to pay for rules and dice every time? Also don't forget core rules are FREE to download from gw site. (Core campaign is missing, but do we need it to play SF?). The only tokens you really need are some bits in 2 colors ( for a full or half activation)...just use some checkers you have, go to a dollar store near you or print them (both cardboard or 3d print). The only complain you should have is prices in US!!! You should consider buying in Uk or EU and wait for an international expedition!

[@bumgilligan]

I ordered it. I just want everything in the box

[@wyrdhunter]

Just for future reference: /ˈäbəˌlisk/ :) "Meat trees" is a disturbing concept but a cool phrase. And, GW can keep their mega-greed driven, quarterly DLC format BS which keeps infecting more and more of their games. I dropped them and moved over to One Page Rules. I may still pick up any particularly fetching miniatures but not to play any of their games.

[@AndICanTalk2]

Love these videos.

[@heyokawolf13]

RE the tokens, an enterprising Etsy vendor could cook up some simple plastic tokens printed in resin, filament, or wood.

[@heyokawolf13]

Hah, I think I got spammed by someone spoofing Tabletop Minions! Monthly giveaway FTW!

[@MrDrakos95]

They're doing the same with Kill Team. Probably sometime in 2023 they will release a starter set with the original forces of heart of ghur but with less terrains and a slimmer version of the rulebook, like they did with the Kill Team starter set in mid 2022

[@thegiuce]

My complaint is that the 2-4 quarterly boxes have repeat terrain. The same is the case with the Q3 Kill Team box. We only need two quarterly sets for full boarding actions

[@tymoteuszkosinski5352]

The moment I saw the first chameleon skink I knew that indeed, it is for me

[@Perkiestgoth]

So gw have the pdf of the war cry rules to download to on their site at the moment if you want to start playing straight out the box to see if they work also includes gang rules for previous factions…

[@TheDanteBoots]

Ideally they should just have 1 starter box and 4 expansion boxes within the year. (Expansion boxes consisting of 2 warbands and matching terrain.) Then they should release the bundled warbands and terrain separately the following year.

[@michaelolz]

I’ve not been interested in a two-faction boxed set since the AoS 2nd ed. It seems like ANYTHING else after that, including 40K, will have maybe one faction I dig. The new Warcry starter however, the new AoS Crypt of Blood starter speaks to the black metal fan in me. THAT I would buy.

[@Hynesight2020]

I've thought about getting into Warcry several times but as noted in the video, it's always a "well this force is cool but that one . . .ehhhhhhh" or the terrain is cool and the forces are eh. This is the first box where I like both forces AND the terrain and of course it doesn't come with the book or the tokens needed to start playing. Guess I'll just wait it out again.

[@jamieritch3668]

Love the review. Makes me want to give Warcry a try, but my pile of shame says otherwise. Is the audio a bit weird on that one? Sounds like a rumble/muffled noise whilst talking, then the gate on the mic kicks in during any gaps and sounds like the audio completely cuts out? Edit: Got to the end, makes sense now 😂

[@YanniCooper]

Regarding the single slash tokens, are they really needed? We just used the wait token for a model that hadn't activated but had reacted.

[@MisterDragon]

The box is for me and me specifically. I play both armies these warbands align with. I want terrain for my AoS mat and I already have the warcry books and want to get into that proper. I've also been waiting 17+ years for new chameleon skinks. (So yes, it's a bad product, I'm just the 1 in a million person it's PERFECT for)

[@mikewyant6919]

Almost seems better suited to Age of Fantasy Skirmish…

[@manofaction1807]

That box you have there is an add-on addition. That's not a core game. That's expansion territory, with two new gangs.

[@lolzasouruhm179]

I really like the set I don’t have anything for warcry. They now have all the rules for free as pdfs so I feel like this could be a good way to get into it

[@noahwilson422]

Well I woke up this morning and I remembered a dream that I had last night. I dreamed that kill team 3.0 was coming out right after the new year.

[@Winterydee]

The number of "Box Sets" which has been released by GW set the Warhammer 40k/30k Universe this year has been very out of hand, IMHO(I believethatit is over 12 box sets released this year for between 40k, 30k/HorusHeresy, Kill Team and Necromunda). They really are over leveraging this FOMO aspect of these "Boxes" well beyond what is most likely healthy for the wargaming/skirmish gaming scene. It will most likely end up bitting them in the long run as more and more players will begin to reevaluate if they should/need to get that new "Shiney Box" because they know that another newer and Shiney'er will be coming out next month. But I've also said the same thing about WotC with their releases of MtG sets and the Commander Decks that come with them... oh they have been getting bad press during the last two releases this year because it and their financial rating has taken a hit as well. Sadly this will most likely also happen to GW soon enough. I like these games, the collecting, the building, the painting and the playing of them. However I also like paying my bills, eating, having a roof over my head and saving for the future. Anyone with half a brain can guess which of those my money will go to first and foremost. More and more they seem to remove good to great entry point for the hobby and the games in what feels like a very short sighted money grab. An that simply is disheartening to me.

[@benfrazier8072]

Real bummer that you can't play Warcry out of the box with this. Even if it just had specific rules for the units in the box, like Kill Team does. Needing not only the base rule book in addition but also things like tokens form some other set...idk this might be a dealbreaker for me as someone who hasn't gotten into Warcry yet but was considering this box. The models are really cool.

[@rutgaurxi7314]

I only care for the Lizardmen, which I am sure I will pick up somewhere cheap, either online or at a market/ car boot sale or something.

[@borys38]

I have just looked for a starter of warcry game system. Thank you for clarification that. GW should start using calculators if excel failed. Probably someone said "@#$% I need to correct the order number for previous warcry starters", "nehh leave it as it is, you already put it into excell"

[@sebastiencarrieres8825]

About the "Activated/Wait" token. Is there an actual difference between having used the "wait" action or a reaction? Don't they each burn 1 action?

[@TheKrenshar]

I had the same thought and checking the rules, there's no functional difference to having spent an action on a reaction or a wait. The benefit to the "/" Reaction token is when/if players need to check that all sides have had the correct number of activations each. That's happened to me a couple of times across a few alternating activation rule-sets but not so much that I can't/won't use a wait token to mark a reaction in a two-player game (maybe not 3+ players but those games are rare in my gaming anyway). For me, the single-slash markers will probably be more useful for denoting expended Renown levels for "free" reactions in campaign games.

[@sebastiencarrieres8825]

@@TheKrenshar Thank you!

[@rowanwright7528]

Picked up this box recently, mistakenly thinking that it would let me play out of the box like almost any other GW boxed set with 2 factions. Very strange decision from GW on this sort of box, I'm sure I'm not the only one to make this mistake. Going to look for HoG box locally, thanks for the suggestion!

[@DrakesHobbiesAndGames]

I like the seasons, but I wish the ‘in between’ boxes contained a rules and token set too.

[@rozzer666]

Wow I was gonna buy this at the weekend but don't think I will now

[@jcrodd7776]

i'm part of the problem Isnap everything as soon as it comes out but in fairness I'm afraid of missing out like exactly what with the Gur core set box

[@joegkushner]

Might have been a temporary thing with Heart of Ghur being out of production. I saw it available on Amazon and cheaper than at a lot of others places like Miniature Market which surprised me. Must've been a price increase that hasn't trickled down to Amazon yet.

[@davidcreighton-offord3275]

"I wish they were handling Warcry a different way." You and me both....

[@csuzw]

I think they should just sell the rules, tokens, dice etc as 1 set, terrain as a 2nd set, and warbands separately. Maybe do a combined box at release too but it's not necessary. I'm sure GW have done their homework and they think the current method will net them more money than selling stuff separately but it's certainly not getting more money from me. The inability to get tokens and measuring things separately is a problem for most of their games. Even when I want most of the things in a big box, I rarely want both warbands/gangs/teams/armies and usually I don't want the hassle of selling stuff on or finding someone to split with.

[@tabletopminions]

The benefit to Warcry over Kill Team (in my mind) is that it uses a regular tape measure or ruler instead of the thing with the shapes. Thanks for watching!

[@ionminiatures]

I agree, GW needs to change their supply policy. Keep Heart of Ger (gur?) and just release individual factions and separate terrain packages. I think GW would make more money on that flexibility instead of constant boxes. Maybe you want to play one faction of the original box, and the Jade folks from the new box. You should have the flexibility to do that without buying a whole new box with a bunch of plastic that will not go anywhere. Piles of shame are already an issue dang it!!

[@codyscharf9380]

The terrain in Heart of Ghur looks really cool, but I've found it kind of awkward to play on. The trees tip over pretty easily, and the branches are too low over the platforms for even some of the models that came in that box. These warbands will be $60 each, so even getting both separately will be cheaper than this box if you're not looking for the terrain.

[@dmereel]

In getting this!

[@foreverfornever1124]

Really considering Warcry. From what I've heard it's the best skirmish game GW has right now. Also AoS is growing on me more and more as the weeks go buy. I just got into Sylvaneth and looking forward to getting into the army at some point

[@tabletopminions]

I feel it’s the best game GW makes right now - and if you like skirmish games and AoS, you should definitely give it a try. Thanks for watching!

[@foreverfornever1124]

@@tabletopminions thanks for the advice Uncle Adam! Yeah I was considering giving it a try with Slyvaneth before I dive deep into a full AoS army. I know both games play differently but it'll at least give me a little taste of what I can expect from AoS

[@threewiseman1]

@@foreverfornever1124 I play Warcry and Marvel Crisis Protocol (my local group is big time into Crisis Protocol, while Warcry I play at home). In some sense, I appreciate Marvel for it's complexity, but I feel Warcry strikes a good balance between complexity and action - you can play and finish a game within an hour, which for a time poor person like me is really good.

[@foreverfornever1124]

@@threewiseman1 completely understandable time frame for a game. I too am crunched for time like you. Marvel crisis protocol seems cool. My only issue is I've always been neck deep in Marvel much like star wars so I have stayed away from games like those to add variety to my life haha

[@ODonnchadhaBrian]

I completely agree with you. I know people who can't afford to be spending €200 every few months on Warcry and then another €200 every other few months on Killteam. I think, at the end of the day, we can just not buy the stuff. I only bought the octarius box in the first year of the new killteam and I'm buying this "season" on a box by box basis.

[@badasbob4761]

The whole season thing - which I strongly suspect is a way to drive sales due to "fear of missing out" - is something I find to be really frustrating, and it makes getting into any of these games really awkward if you do it at an in oportune time. Warcry I don't think it too bad (at the moment), mostly because the core rules and the warbands lists are available for free as PDF downloads from GW. For Kill Team though, it's absurd. The rules for the Teams that are in the starter box are no longer available, because they were only sold as part of the Ocarius season. It is infuriating, and it concerns me that Warcry looks like it's going in the same direction.

[@ant6227]

I hate the current big box sales method and I really hope others feel the same and GWs sales start to reflect that. Somehow though I doubt that to be the case. Feels like a pyramid scheme or something, I hate having to sell a warband for GW every time I buy one of these boxes but as is if you want the terrain and one warband it's still a "cheaper" option to buy the boxset (particularly with Kill Team where you must buy the book too). Wish they would just release it all individually and give us the honest price. I know I bought more season 1 than I ever see myself buying season 2.

[@anotherzingbo]

As far as I know only the sprue of scatter terrain is shared between Heart of Ghur and Sundered Fate.

[@pug1184]

A couple of the trees are common too. Though they come with different platform arrangements to attach.

[@anotherzingbo]

@@pug1184 looking more closely at the Sundered Fate product page I now see what you mean. It comes with 5 sprues of terrain, 3 of which are shared with Heart of Ghur. One of the common trees gets an extended base and an extended platform, while the other gets an additional platform and also has some reposed branches. This seems quite an inefficient way of doing it as Heart of Ghur was able to make 4 big terrain pieces out of 4 sprues, while Sundered Fate is only making 3 big terrain pieces using 4 sprues.

[@InquisitorAstelon]

Of course I know who it's for... It's for me. Insert Ben Kenobi meme here. But no seriously I went back and got the launch box because this box's factions made me want to get into Warcry.

[@Bustinchops]

I feel like there is only so much you can say as a content creator without introducing a negative relationship with one of these companies that give you products in advance like this. I think the most gracious way of trying to identify who these box releases is targeting is by referring to them as "collectors." There are simply people out there that want everything for a game system like this. Especially GW's boxed games like WarCry and Kill Team. However, from a business perspective, these boxed sets are a great release strategy for maximizing profit from their development investment (concept design, sculpting, manufacturing, packaging, etc.) By initially lumping all these kits into a single box, consumers are then purchasing everything rather than just what they are wanting. Much larger profit to be had here. The later release of individual kits afterwards are probably more of the "cherry on top" after the initial investment as already been paid back with profit on top.

[@TheMiniMadCat]

I think the answer to this question is and has become always: no

[@NonSleeper_Occasional_Thinker]

not getting sundered fate as i need counters and now rules have old War Cry 1 rules and then went and got for Christmas Rules and compendium for new gur, but still need new counters.

[@nextofquinn8430]

I bought this box as an entry to War Cry. Heart of Ghur is available in some LGS stores but seemsso over priced here in Aus, and I don't like the factions in it anyway, seems like a waste of money to me if I don't even like the dudes you play with. I also just started collecting for AoS, so I don't have a lot of terrain. Sundered fate has terrain I want, plus both factions are awesome and is cheaper than Heart of Ghur. I bought the rule book separate, already have a ton of dice and plan on buying the tokens separate on ebay later on after I've put together the models. I'll have also gone through some paydays by that time so I won't feel the purchase on my wallet. Seems like Sundered Fate was for me *shrugs*

[@MrPooleish]

I know exactly who these second quarter, incomplete boxes are for. They're for the investors.

[@balazszsigmond826]

I personally like these boxes as an option. If you were to buy everything that is in the box WHEN it comes out separately, you'd spend nearly double on those. So these are a "deal". An option, if you will. Worth mentioning here, I stopped buying anything. For me Warcry ended before Ghur. I still have enough stuff to play for the rest of my life in just Warcry alone.

[@toddashley407]

Its nuts you can't buy the Heart of Ghur box anymore! Makes no sense!

[@zacharymanmiller8939]

This box is for.... me! Bought the rule book and wanted the stuff here and not the first box.

[@CesarIsaacPerez]

It's also cheaper to buy the box, if you want it all, than buying it at the individual release prices later. Also great to sell off what you don't want and make some cash back before GW sells it individually themselves. I still haven't bought anything for Warcry 2.0. I'm happy playing the original game and still prefer those warbands and that terrain ( I also still use the outdated cards even though I have the updated books).

[@albertmast4627]

Personally, it makes the entry level too high. It is too costly to start if you need one big box and then loads of add-ons to play. For people that don’t have much time or money you get priced out or just don’t have that much time to collect and paint it in order to play. There are other alternatives available that may not make that much money but do allow people to play at their pace.