Is Warcry Games Workshop's Best Game?

[@haxan6663]

It is almost hard to believe that Warcry is a GW game?! It's simplicity is it's genius. The convoluted dice throwing in Kill Team drove me nuts.

[@wargamesontoast]

Warcry being scalable from a simple/casual experience into an intense competitive duel without sacrificing anything in the process is kinda amazing

[@travisp_atx]

Agree. Complexity isn't a virtue on its own. I think a good example is chess. The rules of chess are not complex, the game 100% is. We wanted to get into KT 2022 and we tried for almost 6 months with multiple teams. The sweatiness of the rules (cover mechanics holy crap) made it relatively unplayable for us. Warcry is the opposite, we picked it up and haven't put it down all year.

[@JesterOnCrack]

hard agree. I am absolutely in love with Kill Team but it took some time to get into it. Also I like games with complicated rules

[@Deus888]

What I love about Warcry is that it is very intuitive. Easy to learn and hard to master.

[@wargamesontoast]

It’s SO intuitive. It’s almost effortless to play, so you can focus more on the game and cool things, and less on the fine print crying out to hog your time

[@noprobllama9747]

Warcry has been great for getting me to put together models from different factions that i thought looked cool but didnt want a full army of.

[@wargamesontoast]

That’s kinda awesome

[@FidesAmoTerrapomum]

A testament to how quick and intuitive Warcry is: my friend and I played warcry games between rounds of a Kill Team GT. In the time it took the TO to match everyone and assign tables we would get a whole game of warcry in LOL

[@wargamesontoast]

That’s amazing, I love it!

[@shockerck4465]

What Warcry needs is a set of ruined city terrain to get that Mordheim feel.

[@wargamesontoast]

Set a whole season in Mordheim, it would be awesome

[@shockerck4465]

@@wargamesontoast I'd buy every box. They could bring back classic warbands like Skaven

Uff, that would be bad for my wallet. 😅

[@cronsch]

I often play Warcry in my Mortheim ruins. It works perfectly.

[@Slizarus]

Warcry vs Bighammer gives me the feel of Alpha Strike vs Classic Battletech. "Streamlined" but quick, easy dice rolls, units die much quicker, and it feels so good. I like Warcry for the lack of saves and for me to be able to get into Sigmar without needing an army (I'm more of a 40k guy, but I've always loved Lizardmen) As for the best game, I dunno, I really like Kill Team and Warcry, I think together they're the premier products who deserve a long life. It's much easier to get into them than the bighammer.

[@wargamesontoast]

Hit the nail on the head. Kill Team is the big contender for the crown, but I’ll pull the ‘kill team is built on Warcry’s bones’ card and the sneaky steal, haha. Thanks for watching!

[@robertviscomi8199]

The TTS league has been the best thing ever - I have a hard time connecting with local individuals and having this saved the hobby and helped me develop my game. I loved the fact you highlighted the community and just elevated everyone else - this is a testament to your character.

[@wargamesontoast]

Everyone who has been working around the clock to get the League going are absolute kings. TTS saved my hobby too, and the more people who discover it and the league, the better the hobby will be. In-person Warcry is amazing, but being able to throw dice with anyone from anywhere instantly is uniquely amazing in its own right. Thanks for the kinda words bud

[@ed6924]

Agree with all of your points. My 3 favourite things are: 1. Flexibility of list building allows a huge amount of freedom and creativity. I love how you can pull allies and thralls into your list with so much to choose from 2. GW have stuck to the same excellent core rule set for 4 years so far. They made adjustments and improvements with the 2nd edition but kept the core mechanic so you didn’t have to forget everything you already knew and start again 3. Rules are available for free so we can spend our money on the minis, terrain and hobby supplies

[@wargamesontoast]

Nailed it with those 3 points bud. Can’t help be agree with all of them

[@Vaellas]

Great video with a great list of other content creators at the end. So many of these are what helped me understand Warcry so much better with great content. Also I agree, while most of the Warhammer community has a whole is great, there are a few very bad eggs that are quite loud, but I've seen nothing but great people that want to help eachother in the Warcry community and it's awesome.

[@wargamesontoast]

Gotta give back, and I wouldn’t be making what I make of it wasn’t for the kings that started before me. The community is just rock solid through and through. It has a real ‘dads throwing dice on their break’ feel, and I LOVE it

[@cinematictabletop]

Hands down their best game IMO.

[@wargamesontoast]

I can’t get enough of it. So good.

[@markfewster5250]

Warcry is such a great game, simple, accessible, and can be super close or wildly unbalanced but you almost always get a great narrative from any game

[@GarredHATES]

Warcry is the only GW game that has won an award I think. Been painting up warbands to play IRL games atm, I can’t wait.

[@wargamesontoast]

You’ll have a blast man. Warcry is great - especially when your sleeve gets caught on a meat tree and you launch your models across the globe. Good times, haha

[@GarredHATES]

@@wargamesontoast lol

[@TalesofAlethrion]

Really appreciate your videos! Thanks for the regular uploads. It is great to have a channel dedicated to Warcry! Such a great game. Wargaming and hobbytime time is definitely harder to fit in as you get older x)

[@wargamesontoast]

Thanks for your kind words. Nobody tells you that when you become an adult you gain the means to buy the things you want, but lose the time required to enjoy most of it, haha

[@caoc20]

One of the most refined skirmish (beer and pretzels) game. It has his issues but man it's a lots of fun and have a lot of great "cinematic" moments.

[@wargamesontoast]

Can’t help but agree with every word

[@rbrentw]

23:45 Tabletop Time just posted their first Warcry video today titled "The BEST Wargame Games Workshop Makes?" and it was positive.

[@EPGelion]

Hey look: the algorithm did a good job for once and suggested I might enjoy this video… which I did! Subbed!

[@wargamesontoast]

Praise be the algorithm! Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for the sub!

[@stevebarnett-f5o]

Warcry is simpler to play than Kill Team , for a small skirmish game , sometimes the sheer amount of dice rolling is crazy , and Warcry figures are generally better I think.

[@wargamesontoast]

Warcry is just so clean, you know?

[@travisp_atx]

The KT rules and mechanics are sweaty as fuck

[@travisp_atx]

Amen. Complexity of rules is not a virtue on its own.

[@angleofsin777]

played a game of Bladeborn and absolutely feel in love with it. a friend got a warhammer paint set and jumped in quickly. just wish they had more cards

[@Fezzik312]

The biggest negative about Warcry is how hard GW makes it to get into Warcry. I thought about getting into Warcry at around the time Sundered Fate, the first expansion to Heart of Ghur came out. I missed out on the Heart of Ghur box and all the following boxes didn’t come with everything you’d need to start. Now they released the Crypt of Blood starter set but with that price tag it’s just another slap in the face. GW, just give me a good value box and I'd probably have a shelve full of Warbands by now.

[@wargamesontoast]

This really is the biggest negative. Crypt Of Blood is pretty darn dreadful as well. It’s just a rehashed underworlds set, and it shows, sadly

[@Ceipe007]

10:01 I can agree that Warcry is cheaper to maintain, but Underworlds is by far cheaper to get into. Considering Nemesis is all the rage right now rather than championship. Heck, even the world championship is going to be played on Nemesis

[@wargamesontoast]

Fair point well made friend.

[@Ceipe007]

@@wargamesontoast always my pleasure to add educated arguments to the issue at hand 😄

[@benn1181]

Warcry and LoTR are the hidden gems

[@wargamesontoast]

They really are

[@mikedaknight8854]

I’ve been back on the painting hobby since the pandemic. With a busy job and 2 children I don’t really have the time to play a 2000 point game of 40K. This is where the likes of kill team and warcry should shine. Plus you can really take you time on your armies for a good paint job

[@wargamesontoast]

I have 3 children now and I would never have the time to engage in a full scale wargame. Skirmish games give me the opportunity to dabble on the hobby in a shorter space of time

[@TheWhiteWhale593]

Warcry has been GW’s best game since it was first released and it keeps getting better. The 2e narrative rules are among the best campaign rules in the industry, really only rivaled by Frostgrave. Here’s to hoping it continues rising in popularity. Also, GW needs to make their terrain more affordable

[@Midgar88]

Also mate, im abit of a youtuber connoisseur lol. I can confidently say you have a fantastic speaking voice and use if words. Would make a grewt radio host hahaha. Cheers 🎉

[@wargamesontoast]

Thank you for the kind words!

[@Midgar88]

New to wc from aos. Game seems great abd awesome to see you content creators. Subbed and looking forward to your stuff good ser!

[@wargamesontoast]

Thank you for the kind words! Welcome to the hobby!

[@RobBennett-i9n]

Warcry is like Chess (but for us Fantasy Buffs)...Simple to learn, simple to play but with a real depth to mastery. Bloody Love it!

[@wargamesontoast]

It is that perfect blend of simplisticly masterful

[@Shalickx]

I feel like warcry should get a bit more love from GW, but its hard for them to tell how popular it is because of how accessible it is from other gw games. I have over 12 warbands, but no bespoke warbands. I have bought underworlds boxes and aos boxes so in the eyes of gw I’m a aos/uw player, but I only play warcry lol

[@wargamesontoast]

GW are totally clueless, you’re right. Warcry being compatible with everything means it’s difficult to track its popularity, like you said. Plus, they’ve just released an Ogor warband in Warcry that most Ogor AOS players will lap up because they are first plastic Gorgers…ever.

[@SpooKimi]

Same, I have the dominion orks but by the time I had money the warcry box I wanted was sold out xD I'm def gonna get the ork team and than gw should know I'm a warcry player hopefully xD (that said I do just buy from my hobby store)

[@lolzasouruhm179]

On the topic of big projects game devs are the kings. Throughout he course of my education at a university devoted to game development they have taught me to break down projects. For instance, we had to build a single 2d 5 min level that developed rather simple mechanics. We were told to start with the idea of the end, build a proxy (aka a simple quick version), then pull out the key parts you are trying to teach the player. I Have done this with my dream Game, it will be a 2D open world with Metroid Vania dungeons, physics mechanics, puzzles and combat. So I have broken down the game into 3 separate games before shove all the different things together into one. A movement Physics game, A crunchy 2D combat game, And physics puzzle game. With making all these games prior I will learn how to make compelling maps and what about each system works or needs further development. So if any of you have large projects think of smaller ones that relate to over all goal and make those first. This line of thought can be applied to anything even doing the laundry.

[@wargamesontoast]

I’m a video game journalist by day, and a Warcry tuber by night. Being able to pick apart design and recognise what’s good or bad, and why, is a skill I’ve gained over a long career, and you’re right, it’s a transferable skill

[@adeptavoluptas]

Thank you excellent video! I have one piece of terrain to paint from the original set and my untamed beasts are built and primed- I am so excited to start! I also have the Nightmare Quest Solublight Vampires and all the terrain built for that set! I have tons of AoS StormCast, Nighthaunts and Kruel Boys so I see a bright future with the compendium. Thanks again for the inspiration!!

[@wargamesontoast]

Welcome to Warcry! It’s an amazing game, and you seem to have a very snazzy selection of models :)

[@adeptavoluptas]

@@wargamesontoast thank you!

[@zack8105]

"Yes"- Zack from Dayton Warcry club, me

[@AlfieStevens-s2b]

Are you going to be reviews for the new warbands?

[@wargamesontoast]

I most certainly am. I have them on preorder (I don’t get them early sadly) but once they are in my hands I’ll get content out asap. From what I’ve seen so far, all 4 seem really solid - if not downright awesome. I am STOKED to try out the new Kruleboyz in particular

[@lolzasouruhm179]

I just bought Sundered Fate with a mate. He is taking the Emerald Obelisk and ill be keeping the rest. the main reason we got it was to reignite the warhammer club at our university. I'm also picking up the kill team starter set so people can play that too next year.

[@wargamesontoast]

Sounds like a fun time. Warhammer clubs are a great way to unwind after a hard day of lectures

[@ThereIsOnlyWar40k]

You got me all excited! I picked up my first Warcry box. All I've done is primer the mawpit lol

[@wargamesontoast]

Thats awesome! You got this :)

[@rarrbc]

Got my kids into it also scratches that mordheim itch

[@wargamesontoast]

My kids play too! I never got to play Mordheim sadly

[@andrewantretter4279]

Warcry has been such fun! I can play 2 games in less than 3 hours and then go home

[@wargamesontoast]

It’s quick play time is very refreshing coming from 40K (in my case)

[@WePaintMinis]

My friends and I are big fans of Kill Team. However, I really want to try Warcry for a lot of the reasons you mentioned. My friends however have a little adverse reaction to anything set in the AoS universe. I am slowly convincing them with Underworlds with the goal of moving on to Warcry.

[@wargamesontoast]

There’s a lot of “AOS killed fantasy!” Bad vibes going around to this day. Most of it being directed the wrong way simply because Fantasy died due to abysmal management by Gw and a staggering level of apathy by the wider community. As time goes on though, more people are coming back and realising that AoS and the universe is bonkers and loads of fun to mess around In

[@WePaintMinis]

@@wargamesontoast Thankfully, I feel they are less bitter towards it as a universe than they were; it's probably more of investing money/time into a new system, which I get, but I hope we can at least try. Who knows, we may like it even more.

[@wargamesontoast]

@WePaintMinis fingers crossed!

[@Bizarre112]

Just discovered your channel! Been thinking of checking out Warcry, and you have me sold! Wondering if you’re planning a review on the newest box set, Crypt of Blood?

[@wargamesontoast]

I actually want to do one! I have a few things to sort first, but I’ll absolutely get around to it. Welcome to Warcry buddy!

[@Bizarre112]

@@wargamesontoast Thanks! Looking forward to it. I’ve heard mixed things about whether it’s really the best set to buy for an experienced tabletop player.

[@wargamesontoast]

@@Bizarre112 Its a strange set for sure. For what it is, it’s fine I guess. But as an introduction to Warcry I think it’s lacking in a number of areas.

[@ajtame]

Its a great game for sure

[@wargamesontoast]

It really is

[@Chrysamer77]

Well I sold my big AoS models and swaped to playing Warcry only. Before that all I could handle timewise (both builidng army and finding time to play) was 750 point AoS, maybe a 1000 points sometimes. I had so much more actual games since then

[@wargamesontoast]

This is very close to my experience now that I have kids!

[@wellywoodwargaming]

It's certainly ain't the best gw game in my opinion but it is very good and very refreshing!

[@wargamesontoast]

That’s good enough for me!

[@SpooKimi]

I love everything about warcry, hands down best game, it's so open you can change anything you want and it will still work and be a fun experience This game has been the perfect replacement for killteam for me, it has the stuff I loved about the old killteam but than all the things that makes it a smooth and good game ^^ I still hope killteam24 will take some inspiration from warcry so I can use those models again, but for now warcry it is ^^

[@wargamesontoast]

Warcry has more or less replaced everything for me. I just didn’t have the time for larger-scale games and Kill Team wasn’t scratching that itch. Warcry speaks to my soul

[@SpooKimi]

@@wargamesontoasti wish i could play more, my club mainly plays aos and 40k. and at the hobby store a few also play killteam21 but that game burned me. i stil gotta try 40k more but aos has been fun, but i wanna play more warcry q.q

[@wargamesontoast]

@@SpooKimi If you are interested, there is a Warcry Discord that runs a monthly league on Table Top Simulator and is happy to play regular games and teach you the ropes of TTS and Warcry. I struggled to get many games in and TTS has reinvigorated my love of the game. Here’s the link if you are interested. You’ll find some amazing players and other content creators hanging around there :) discord.gg/xkQ2nRFU

[@SpooKimi]

@@wargamesontoast i think I might try it out, I'm not a big tts fan as it's not my own painted models but il try ^^

[@wargamesontoast]

@@SpooKimi it’s not a replacement to Warcry IRL of course, but is a great way to play with people from around the world

[@cinematictabletop]

Congrats on 1k subs!

[@wargamesontoast]

Thanks you! (And thanks for making awesome content!)

[@donaldshults2230]

How is the narrative campaign play? Is there a mode that is Mordheim-esque?

[@wargamesontoast]

The narrative mode is interesting. Sadly I haven’t played much of it to give anything more than that, and I’ve never played Mordheim sadly

[@tiredguy2753]

I hesitate to use the word "best" but yeah it is a very good game, easy to learn yet still has depth. And for the solo players out there whilst there are no "official" solo mode (I believe there are fan solos and occasional one off solo scenarios from GW) the game is easy enough that you can play both sides with little overhead. I will also say that in comparison to something like Kings of War Vanguard, Warcry is actually supported, you actually get updates (and to be clear this is not me putting down Kings of War Vanguard ((I think it is a good game system)) but Vanguard has yet to receive any new content in quite sometime).

[@wargamesontoast]

Best is certainly a powerful word that won’t resonate with everyone, but I am happy that everyone has at least agreed that Warcry is fantastic. If you want to play Warcry is a different kind of way, consider playing using Tabletop Simulator. It’s an amazing way to play Warcry with people from around the world. The mod is lovingly crafted by members of the community and its a blast to play - although you do lose the tactile nature of IRL games

[@PatrickVS101]

I do like Warcry, but I definitely think people massively sleep on how good Warhammer Underworlds is...

[@shinankoku2]

Arguing which is GDUBS best game is like discussing the finer points of different McNugget dipping sauces.

[@wargamesontoast]

Yeah and Sweet Chilli is the best. I’ll die on that hill damn it

[@shinankoku2]

@@wargamesontoast not what I meant, but ok. I mean … CB’s Infinity is filet mignon to GW’s fast food.

[@blkjet117]

I really wanted to love Kill Team, but it is not as good as Warcry. I wish it followed the same format as Warcry. Warcry is nearly perfect.

[@wargamesontoast]

I kinda feel the same way, ngl

[@ayonmetar2301]

It always depends on what one is looking for. Warcry is the most "fun" and (from my experience) least competitive game, which is what I'm looking for.

[@wargamesontoast]

Good point well made

[@mixfrog6190]

...No. The most random skirmish ever.

[@wargamesontoast]

Anything with dice is random. Your goal as a player is to mitigate that randomness by playing well by using non-random mechanics. Just like every game.

[@khristienpennanen1810]

Mordheim and lotr sbg would like words with you :P but ya warcry is actually pretty great I do play it

[@wargamesontoast]

I am a big fan of LotR. Sadly Mordheim passed me by on my youth

[@bri.g.5105]

Wish they make kill team little more simpler like warcry.

[@Multra]

Played a couple games of it for the first time a week ago and found it rather dull. You roll some dice to hopefully cast some generally inconsequential spell, walk up and hit my guy for 5 of his 25hp then it's my turn to do the same with one of my guys. Sit on a point or pick up a treasure and run away for 3-4 turns, game is over. It's great they are making a more casual game to get new people into the hobby though.

[@wargamesontoast]

Each to their own buddy

[@jacawandersmok9043]

I think one think we need token set like Kill team one, for full hapines ;]

[@wargamesontoast]

We absolutely need a token set!

[@AlfieStevens-s2b]

Yes it is

[@wargamesontoast]

You’re gosh darn right it is!

[@darthkek1953]

Warcry is a skirmish game, though I'd take Kill Team over it. Combat Patrol is their great wargame. OPR > all though

[@wargamesontoast]

I burned out of 10th so quickly. It’s an improvement over 9th but man, I just can’t get into 40K like I used to back in the day. Probably an age thing. I just don’t have time to dedicate to it anymore. I enjoy Kill Team, but I genuinely think Warcry is the better game - I’d settle for a tie though since they both slap. OPR is something I have to dabble into still for sure !

[@bhoare843]

dont even have to watch the video to know the answer is yes

[@wargamesontoast]

You’ve discovered the secret sauce

[@3gnomes1bigcoat39]

I still think mesbg is the best games workshop game, but I love warcry.

[@wargamesontoast]

MESBG is really fekking good too!

[@fantumfreek]

Thanks

[@joeflitton8034]

You mistyped GorkaMorka, but yeah warcry is solid.

[@wargamesontoast]

I often mistype things haha

[@henryrodriguez6260]

Warcry is good. And if one is looking for a simple, elegant ruleset, then it probably is GW’s best minis game. But if you want a deep ruleset with nuances in tactical decision making, then I would look elsewhere. Underworlds and Kill Team ‘21 are GW’s best games in this regard (in that order). They also happen to be better balanced games too.

[@wargamesontoast]

Warcry’s competitive scene is starting to take shape, and it’s awesome just how well the game scales up to that level of play. A bit more support from GW in terms of FAQs, Errata’s, and points changes and the game is golden.

[@tracygroome6924]

Yes! No more discussion 😂😂

[@wargamesontoast]

I’ll take it!

[@michagora7733]

90-95% of your points apply also to Kill team.

[@wargamesontoast]

But not 100% :p

[@VSastrocompasss]

Warcry steam game :D? Cards vs personal account growth like bloodbowl pc.

[@wargamesontoast]

Until then we always have TTS Mods!

[@Vallinen92]

Yes it is.

[@wargamesontoast]

A man of incredible taste, clearly.

[@kdhlkjhdlk]

I wouldn't know, but I do know that Warcry warbands are incredibly overpriced, I suspect they're not playable in AoS, but don't care because it's AoS, and have no idea what factions they're meant to be because they're all a mess.

[@wargamesontoast]

You’re fun at parties, I can tell

[@Morec0]

No, that's Kill Team.

[@wargamesontoast]

Kill Team is just Warcry, but less cool

[@Morec0]

@@wargamesontoast My good sir, you have that in reverse.

[@wargamesontoast]

@@Morec0 I don't see 40k having shark-riding vampire elves. Just saying :P

[@Morec0]

@@wargamesontoast Well now you're just talking AoS, and last I saw: Warcry doesn't have those either.

[@Morec0]

@@wargamesontoast The shark riding part, anyway. It's just vampire elves on foot. Kill Team has those too: calls them Dhrukari.

[@photoben]

No that’s clearly Blood Bowl 😉

[@wargamesontoast]

Blood Bowl takes just long enough to make it a pain to squeeze in. But other than that, fricken love Blood Bowl

[@photoben]

Fair. Maybe I should have said Blood Bowl Sevens is the best (my preferred way cause as you say, shorter) @@wargamesontoast

[@wargamesontoast]

@@photoben I’ve yet to play sevens, but it’s on my list!

[@xBuckfuddr]

While this is a great video. Can you please please get a filter for your mic to reduce the plosives. They are very cheap on Amazon or other sites. This video was very hard to listen to.

[@wargamesontoast]

Sure thing bud

[@snarkymcsnarkface1863]

GWs best game would be mordhiem... I have not played war cry because I am just done with GW And blood bowl deserves a nod.

[@wargamesontoast]

Can’t disagree with this

[@ZiggyStardunk]

Why is Warcry the best game? Hoisting.

[@wargamesontoast]

King level assessment right there

[@elijahherstal776]

Warcry is fun and easy- but it's not GW's best, that's Necromunda. Until Mordheim returns, that is. And I have no faith that GW will do that.

[@wargamesontoast]

Fair points well made. I do dig Necromunda, ngl

[@elijahherstal776]

@@wargamesontoast I think it's fantastic- I've been running an Inquisition-themed Necromunda game recently, and it's been a blast. And this is exactly why I wish they'd bring back Mordheim with the same rules overhaul.