Is The NextGen Car THAT Bad?

[@Matt_8000]

As someone once said, “NASCAR road course racing was better when the cars were not built for Road Course racing”

[@PaperBanjo64]

That's the truth!

[@ProxiProtogen]

All the road courses were great except for Cota this year

[@GodzillaGaming111]

King.

[@sdx3918]

Gen 7 was built with road racing in mind and took some inspiration from GT3 cars but I think it fails to realize why GT3 works so well A: GT3 has ABS and TCS which allow drivers to go for wild divebombs into corners without the fear of locking up which you can't really do in the gen 7 car B: a key element of their parity system is that instead of making all cars the same they give each car strengths and weaknesses while still resulting in similar lap times. So if we take a Ford Mustang vs a Porsche 911 the Mustang accels in the long straights with its high HP V8 but falls in the corners due to its high weight while the 911 accels in the corners due to its rear engine layout giving it more drive on exit but falls on the straights due to less HP.

[@tylerhernandez5234]

Gen 6 had a whole bunch of variants based on tracks. Why can't we have certain aero pieces removed for certain tracks

[@Matt_8000]

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[@grahamcrackergaming1540]

They do. Ever since 2023 they kept the same full diffuser with 4 inch spoiler with 670hp they ran with at every track in 2022, aside from superspeedways, at intermediates, with the 7 Inch spoiler, full diffuser and 510hp at SS. But ovals 1 mile and under and also road courses kept the 670hp but reduced the spoiler down to 2 inches and removed 3 diffuser strakes, engine panel strakes and trimming the diffuser’s outer fencing. All this to make the racing better at short ovals and road courses. What happened? Short tracks were still lackluster, and road courses with the removed stage yellows were hit or miss depending on who u ask. This year 2024, they changed it again. Bristol still kept the same aero package for short ovals from 2023, but other short ovals and road courses now run a 3 inch spoiler with barely a diffuser there. Ya literally look at pictures of it, it’s literally like 2 diffuser strakes and it’s smaller.

[@cito1101]

I keep saying that NASCAR should either bring up the horsepower again for the short tracks and road courses, as well as reduce the wheel size, and get a tire that's good enough for the cars, or just go back to the Gen 6 for the short tracks and road courses. Too bad NASCAR is like "wE lIkE wHaT wE'rE sEeInG" and "nO hOrSePoWeR bEcAuSe It'S eXpEnSiVe"

[@davidmlbmotorsportsfan]

Fire Steve Phelps

[@Angelmunoz_19]

“It’s expensive” while every team says that it would cost almost nothing

[@limprooster3253]

​@@Angelmunoz_19 Both are correct. It would cost almost nothing to make the engines they have 900+ horsepower. It's literally just a matter of removing the tapered spacer (read: restrictor plate) and flashing a new tune on the ECU. BUT the engine would be turning 9-10k RPM instead of the 7k we have now, and would wear much faster. So over the course of the season the 900 HP package would be far more expensive than the 650. But to do it for one race? Yeah that's pretty cheap. The reality is the car has too much mechanical grip, and we can't fix that with aero changes when the car only reaches 130 mph on the straights. The real answer is going to be narrower tires, smaller brakes, and maybe more ballast. If you want passing, the slow cars need to actually be slow, and that requires some tire fall off

[@Angelmunoz_19]

@@limprooster3253 The only way to reduce costs is to allow teams to make their own parts, since now they're forced to purchase from another party.

[@limprooster3253]

@@Angelmunoz_19 I can't say I agree with that. It may be cheaper for the teams to make the exact same part in-house than to buy it from Nascar's approved supplier, but the problem is the teams can't be trusted to actually make the same part. They start trying to find an advantage, which to be fair, is their job, and then teams who can afford to make 20 versions of the same part start finding those advantages faster than lower budget teams, and you end up with the same runaway problem we had with Gen 6. It's just like with the engines. It may be cheaper for the teams to make that hood vent than it is for them to buy it, but it's still cheaper for all of the teams to buy them than make 5 different iterations of it looking for an advantage. The savings is in discouraging teams from monkeying with the parts.

[@gee2xchoppas]

i think you put it perfectly when you said the next gen is like that B- C+ student who doesn’t care to get an A+. The car has so much potential but NASCAR hasn’t done much to realize it. I think they still can but its definitely frustrating because i this car really could be great everywhere if we just put some effort in

[@JackLikesTrackhouse]

It’s way too overhated. Is it perfect? Far from it. But I wouldn’t go as far as to call it a “bad car”. It does a lot right but there’s still a lot that could be improved. Also literally every generation of car NASCAR’s made, especially the last 3, started out rough. I’m confident NASCAR will improve on this in the future, but I will say they’ve been taking their sweet time working on solutions for this thing

[@miketwotwenty]

Imho the gen 7 car is the best looking car since the gen 5 without the wing!

[@1_64_DCS]

Yes it happens every time there is a new generation people over hate then when it's gone they miss it and complain about the new one

[@Ivanavsfan2009]

​@@miketwotwenty Honestly, I agree with you! The Gen 7 cars look amazing!

[@jamiegioca9448]

I mean, the new Mustang Dark Horse looks really sick

[@Ivanavsfan2009]

@@jamiegioca9448 FR

[@trevorhintz1290]

Even if the Next gen car was good, the horsepower was bumped up, the playoffs scrapped and the stage cautions eliminated, fans would still find something to complain about.

[@JackLikesTrackhouse]

Absolutely

[@Jimevans633]

Horsepower would fix everything wrong with this car but NASCAR cannot get out of its own way!!

[@EndlessFlameout4]

That's exactly why NASCAR doesn't listen to the fans

[@TimiVision1]

It’s almost like everyone has different opinions

[@FantasySportsZen]

Lots of somethings. 😂 Nascar fans love to whine.

[@diamondgaming-]

3:33 Even though michigan is classified as intermediate because of its size, it races as fast as a super speedway, but corey lajoie should’ve just spun there and shouldn’t have even had any lift. So intermediates aren’t under fire, i doubt a blowever would happen at charlotte or vegas

[@NexXxu]

The Next Gen is a good car for the Cookie Cutter tracks and Platetracks. But he fumbles SO MUCH at the 0.5 mile and SPECIALLY at Road Course (let’s remember that philosophy of Next Gen is a better handling and a better overall Road Course car than his predecessor)

[@jeffktown]

The NextGen car is NASCAR trying to re-invent the wheel

[@josepedrorodriguez2376]

Now in the last 3 years in the Next-gen car era we have 27 different winners and also more cons than pros about this car DVP rule, safety, dirty air, flying cars, no passing on short tracks and more. Although, the new number placement has grown on me over the last few years. Drivers like Alex Bowman, Chase Elliott and Kyle Busch have had struggles adopting to this next-gen car. Even Kyle Busch made a criticism of this car after the Geico 500 race at Talladega saying “I hate those cars."

[@crushrevczar]

NextGen car ended Kurt Busch’s career and how many other drivers have had to take time off due to concussion symptoms after light crashes, the CoT may had been ugly and not fully R&D’d but the drivers were safer.

[@PaperBanjo64]

It also raced better especially after it was debugged.

[@Motorsport-club]

This car is a gt3 car and it helps drivers form different series to come and do well like svg, its a good car.

[@camdog2520]

It sucks at short tracks and road courses

[@PaperBanjo64]

And that's why I hate it.

[@ShakeNBlake513]

That solid snake death scream at 3:24 😂

[@TheLaird406]

I don’t see Camaros or Mustangs with single lug wheels, but I also don’t see any V8 RWD Camrys either…

[@hwehjjmnwmwm-uy1tt]

The Camry should’ve never been a NASCAR. It’s a complete disgrace to stock car racing.

[@EndlessFlameout4]

​@@hwehjjmnwmwm-uy1tt no it isnt

[@revelare_xvii6269]

@@hwehjjmnwmwm-uy1tt it’s mostly because Toyota wanted to apply the “win on Sunday, sell on Monday” to their already best selling sedan😂

[@wrkwkmwk-mk4yk]

@@revelare_xvii6269 The Camaro and Mustang are real sports cars that NASCAR viewers are likely to buy. Most NASCAR viewers don't want a cheap economy sedan.

[@oddyoda6443]

Almost every comment I read says some shit like "Oh who cares people complain no matter what". They are right, people will complain, but I think that too many people are using "conplainers complain" to shield themselves from acknkwledging the issues of modern nascar. Just because people would complain even if everything was perfect doesn't mean that nascar is perfect, or even passable.

[@NR_88]

Thank you so much for this comment. I absolutely can’t stand how much I’ve seen that comment. I swear people only say it for social media clout. Yes, no one will ever be satisfied, but that’s because everyone has different opinions. There’s a reason why you don’t see fans of other leagues say stuff like this. The fact is, nascar has a lot of issues and the overall popularity has gone down significantly. Handwaving issues as just “fans just complain about everything” is pure cope to that fact.

[@jamesmerkle9432]

@@NR_88Exactly,the organization has made bad decision after bad decision that has driven popularity down.

[@PaperBanjo64]

NASCAR fans were complaining about dumb stuff when I was a kid in 2005 but now there's actually legit reasons to complain about NASCAR, this new car put on so many bad races in a row after Martinsville I mostly stopped watching.

[@tatsupazuzu]

Doesn't matter how good the car is if the rules are fucked.

[@DobieMeltfire]

Look like they took way too many pages from GT racecars and just ended up over complicating things.

[@StruggleGaming]

They need to bump the HP to allow for passing and more skill to separate the drivers. And the tires need to fall off oppsite of the fuel windows so strategey can either be all out and more stops or conserve with less stops.

[@Warriorcats24]

there's too many variables to account for. next gen car isnt bad, i think a nextgen v1.5 or 1.0.5 would be welcome though. they made a spec car to appease a variety of teams that race across a variety of tracks and simply put there is no way we get perfect racing every single time. i bet the next gen after this we'll be having the same discussion. like we did for gen 6, and CoT before it, and the gen 4 restrictor plates, and gen 3 standardizing bodies and making the cars smaller. whiners gon whine

[@isaiahplayz6358]

the title of the video should be "is the NextGen Car THAT Good?"

[@dcaseng]

This car is great on mile and a half tracks. The lack of tire wear is the biggest issue at the other tracks, and could easily be fixed if Goodyear treaded the tires for short tracks and road courses. Also come up with a 4 speed version of the sequential transmission. The shifting at many ovals also reduces tire wear and ruins the racing.

[@NASCARFAN93100]

Yes Because NASCAR forbid All Teams on working on The Gen 7 Car

[@TheWorldAccordingtoWheeler]

Increase the horsepower, make the brakes smaller, move the door numbers back a foot or so, and get rid of the underbody on short tracks and road courses. That’d be my fox for now. Overall I do like how the Next Gen looks tho, it has a mean, wider stance than the gen 6 did

[@Bobert27]

The single lugnut wasn't introduced for cost saving. It was introduced because a 5 lug nut system can not handle the new aluminum wheels because of how heavy it is, and the wheels are aluminum because it's one of the only material that can handle being that big

[@ty50bmg11]

It doesn't matter how much horsepower you put in the car or tires or what not. The way the next gen car is constructed it is not constructed for good racing. There is just way too much grip built into the car.

[@GodzillaGaming111]

Thank you.

[@PaperBanjo64]

Yep, Tyler Reddick said it would take about 1,400 Horsepower just to equal the power to grip these cars have, that's why short tracks and road courses suck so badly with them.

[@NexXxu]

For now, is just another day of Nascar social media fans complaining about everything, if we had this in mid 2000s or mid 2010s, probably people would complain about the car. I can imagine Mr. Daily Downforce with his Sinnoh/Johto posters in the background making a video essay about “Is the COT really THAT bad?” LOL

[@1_64_DCS]

They actually can't take the under body off it basically holds the cat together

[@PremierPrep]

Personally, I have LOVED the NexGen car! Single lug, forward numbers, etc. I like it a lot! Biggest problem is that the horsepower is way too low.

[@bubbasteele2991]

I would say A way more narrow wheel&tire B4 horsepower.

[@HoldMyBluntNascar]

It's easier to name the things we don't like about this car

[@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT]

The Gen 7 car is honestly very bipolar

[@pacthesir]

I swear, the term "If it isn't broken, don't fix it" clearly didn't come to mind when trying to replace the gen 6 car, in fact, they made the car more dangerous than the gen 6, sure gen 6 was a bit dangerous, but the fact the gen 7 car broke 2 driver's backs is sad. The rear diffuser I think contributed to the cars flipping along with the flat bottom, why I say this is because the rear diffuser directs the air under the flat bottom when turned. Also, I AGREE, PLEASE PUT THE NUMBER BACK IN THE MIDDLE, I'M STILL NOT USED TO IT, IT LOOKS BAD! Hopefully it's like the spoiler situation in 2010 where they took off the rear wing and put the spoiler back on the COT

[@PaperBanjo64]

Gen 6 was perfect at short tracks and road courses...until this car is gone I'm still gonna say making short tracks and road courses worse to make 1.5s better wasn't worth it! If Gen 8 sucks on 1.5s and is good on short tracks I'll beg for more short tracks instead of crying to improve 1.5s!

[@JessSimpson1313]

Ive always preferred fhe way the Aussies race, low grip, heavy weight, ton of horsepower.

[@thetruth5232]

The V8 Supercars are lighter and have less HP. They just have smaller tires, Which Before the Gen7 Nascar had too, Still has on the Xfinity cars.

[@JessSimpson1313]

@@thetruth5232 they are also not racing a superspeedways. I'm not saying build one exactly, only that instead of less horsepower, more grip, more downforce, make more horse power and less grip.

[@PaperBanjo64]

Australian Supercars is better racing in my opinion and I'm not even Australian! These cars are supposed to be very similar to current gen Supercars but I can tell watching the Aussie Supercars vs NASCAR on road courses with Gen 7 that the Supercars race a much better designed race car.

[@tescoshortage]

It's no worse than the Gen 6. It's just the difference is that the Next Gen's shortcomings and advantages are swapped from the Gen 6.

[@jkkellerj5]

The reason for the single lug nut is because most cars have 18” rims instead of 15” so they switched to 18” but if they made them of steel they would be too heavy so they made it an Aluminum Alloy but can’t go with 5 lugs because they would have to be properly torqued so they moved to one lug nut

[@Jose-Gomez]

Nascar. Please, Go Back To The Gen-6 Car From The 1st 2 Seasons. (2013-2014) with the 2014 Package, And The Unrestricted High Horsepower Engine Package, Over The Next-Gen Car. But, From The Next-Gen Car, Have The Rounded Rrear Bumper Along With The Quarterpanels With Less Sideforce, And Put It On The Back Of The Gen-6 Car, To ACTUALITY, Look Like The Car From The Streets.

[@Angelmunoz_19]

NASCAR: nuh uh.

[@NoName-gv6pi]

Crazy how your saying that when these cars are the closest to identical to the street cars they have out on the road, that's nostalgia for ya.

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

Gen 6? 🤮

[@Outermusic830]

Dawg we are NEVER going back 😭 stop asking

[@nighticek1970]

intermidiate racing has been really good but its probably because anything eas better then 550 hp

[@jimcarroll8549]

They need to bring back the Gen 4 car and put all the safety features in it. Once they went to the COT and all cars that followed, NASCAR went downhill due to horrible racing. Take away stage racing and bring back the whole race. Get rid of double file restarts, this only takes away the win from the driver that earned it, and for good sake, put the damn number back at the center of the door. The drivers back on NASCAR’s glory days had personalities. This is all lost now due to corporate sponsors stepping in and stopping that. It was awesome back in the day to see drivers fight with no fines.

[@sagethevvitch]

The COT car IS the Gen 4 car but with safety upgrades. The COT car was good once they got rid of the wing.

[@gronith]

As a newer watcher of Nascar but a life long Motorsports fan I am kinda dumbfounded by what this car is. Seems underpowered for the amount of grip. The spec race car idea seems antithetical to even the roots of the series. People had hopped up stock vehicles right? I would like them so be closer to modified stock cars. They are so much wider than any street car. I really think they need to ditch this car and get back to the roots of the series. We don't need another sports car series.

[@PaperBanjo64]

You get it bro! I never liked sports car racing so they lost me.

[@dondelchulia3189]

Changing the wheels would be very easy. People with center lock road cars do it all the time, and at under 5k for the kit.

[@SebasQuiaro]

no it isnt, i like it its decent

[@ryanjones4106]

I think they look amazing, but I miss the 900HP in the Gen 4 cup cars. If they could somehow find a nice balance between the realistic body styling of these cars, and the performance of older generation cup cars, they'd have a winner.

[@thoroughlyunoriginalname]

Judging from the opinions you stated in this video it seems the solutions according to you would be to up the horsepower, make the wheels narrower, maybe go back to five lugs, and get rid of the underbody.

[@justcody6068]

I agree with a lot of things that were said in the video horse power, wheels, and the cars itself has issues. Here are some examples: Kyle Busch’s Daytona 500 race he got damaged and it took him the whole race to make a decent recovery for one simple damage. Kyle Busch’s darlington wreck he was involved in a wreck and one of his wheels stopped moving cause of a light tap from brad and ended his day. Christopher bells 2023 champion run ends because he tapped the wall once. Josh berry had fixable damage and was also done Ross chastain 2022 500 crash he didn’t have damage at all and he was done so was Alex bowman. I personally think the next gen has these issues was because of the gen 6 haters falsely saying that the car sucked and wasn’t good with racing. As someone who likes the gen 6 the gen 6 haters must be regretting their constant misinformation towards nascar because not only they made a clown of themselves, they also ruined the cup series Well done gen 6 haters hoped that you enjoyed every bit of it because what did it cost?

[@PaperBanjo64]

Only thing about Gen 6 that was that bad was 1.5s and NASCAR was actually trying to get away from those last year of Gen 6, Gen 6 was so good at short tracks, road courses and superspeedways all its sins on 1.5s are forgiven...and the whole thing whining about making contact cutting down tires is just BS! It happened with Gen 4 too.

[@PaperBanjo64]

The next gen car should have just been the same old chassis as Gen 6 which still was the COT chassis with some safety improvements with a Gen 4 body on it...not this wannabe GT3 car BS!

[@justcody6068]

@@PaperBanjo64 not only that tape is now the most useless thing in cup nowadays, And the gens before 7 actually tank a hit with the wall. Gen 7 cant preform well if it gets a slither of damage as the gen 6 you can be all destroyed and still race, remember Kyle Busch in 2018 Bristol night race his car was screwed up badly and was able to climb the field, and could’ve won Bristol if he did decide to go 4 wide.

[@PaperBanjo64]

@@justcody6068 Chase Elliott on the Charlotte roval, that car was torn up and yet still fast...with Gen 6 you scraped the wall, cut down a tire, tore up the sheet metal but the car was still functional, Gen 7 you scrape the wall broke the tie rod done for the day and with barely any body damage.

[@andykopgod]

Im in UK and new to Nascar, i love the next-gen cars, great to look at, just wish theyd bump the horsepower up , id love to see Nascar come to the UK 🫶💪

[@jabber1990]

instead of complaining about losing tires don't leave tires loose

[@sagethevvitch]

The door numbers are never moving back lol. With them shifted it gives a ton of room for sponsors and NASCAR is DESPERATE for sponsor money nowadays.

[@miketag7541]

They didn’t even test them around other cars till it was to late to fix anything!

[@spd7693]

I kinda feel like just waiting to see what happens. And keep hopling V8 will still stay. Maybe not naturally aspirated push-rods like in NASCAR, but at least turbo V8s.

[@thetruth5232]

Nah, Turbos sound dull. Superchargers are the next logical step...

[@hwehjjmnwmwm-uy1tt]

They would do superchargers because mustangs and Camaros have superchargered variants

[@greatgamer5092]

While the car isn’t good it doesn’t suck I think that it will eventually get better and be good but that doesn’t mean that it’s good I love the gen 4 and gen 6 because for a while they were really competitive but I like the design it looks sleek

[@coletrickle-km7cl]

More specific about the 1 lug nut deal/ why it was a cost cutting deal: Nascar wanted a larger wheel. Because most cars don't use a 15 inch diameter wheel. So 18 inches was chosen. But if you use a steel 18 inch wheel then it becomes way heavier. Not gonna work for racing. So then they wanted to use a 18 inch aluminum wheel. But the proplem is if you use the 5 lug pattern on a aluminum wheel it will be prone to cracking after repeated hard use in short amount of time there by making the teams buy too many new wheels...making it too expensive. So after nascar talking with BBS who makes the wheels they use on the current gen 7 car, BBS told nascar we've got decades of reliable repeated use of wheels with one lug nut design. So nascar went with the 1 lug nut design so the teams could re-use the wheels again and again like they did with the black steel 5 lug nut aero series 59 wheels on the older generation car....1 lug nut wheels made some fans mad about that. I like the 5 lug nut set-up. Its better pit road theather for the fans. One lug nut? Too easy. No visual drama there. Looks like it takes less skill.

[@coletrickle-km7cl]

Correction: the aluminum wheel will crack at the lug nut holes in a short amount of time after repeated hard racing use.

[@aldouscoroza]

Its only Good at 1.5 Milers, Michigan and Pocono

[@PaperBanjo64]

Yep and that's a failure in my opinion

[@bubbasteele2991]

I say put A more Narrow wheel&tire on it. 3 inches more narrow. A smaller contact patch less grip slower corner speeds more opportunity to pass. Tell me if im wrong

[@revelare_xvii6269]

Tbh the Next Gen feels more like a hybrid of V8 Supercar and GT3 racer than a Nascar stock car. I will give them this tho, the look of the cars themselves are very clean. And the transmission whine of the sequential paired with that high revving V8 sounds really good.

[@whalesequence]

This car is nascar's gordian knot

[@tonystone1016]

NASCAR's problem isn't with the car its with the drivers. They can't go 20 laps without someone crashing and taking 4-6 cars with them, the endless cautions don't help either.

[@karendarrenmclaren]

Literally me after new generation of F1 cars. Dudes stop it... you can't stop progress.

[@SinisterCarnyCarousel]

The next gen is so finnicky too. As you talked about you could door slam someone and nothing happens to the body, no cut tire, but you could have almost the same exact hit and bend a toe link and ruin your day, or have an issue like blaney at watkins glen where it wasnt that bad and his car was done for the day, its both robust and fragile at the same time. The tires have been a total failure both with the 1 lug design and with the "option tire" thats supposed to wear out but doesnt. The flat tire saga is a mess, all theses years and still cant figure out cars flipping is also a fail. The cars look really nice (aside from the numbers location) but other than the cookie cutters they are awful. Its telling where the sport is as a whole that one of the VP's has to explain a decision or part of the race almost every single week now. They basically have IROC. Which in some respects is good but others really bad. When it takes the leader 5+ laps to get around the 25th place car at Bristol thats a problem.

[@bevenharris9180]

Here are my complaints! 1.) Why center lugs? All passenger cars are 5 studs and the sound of the airgun is iconic 2.) Door numbers. Nascar wants to be Australian V-8 super cars? 3.) Low profile tires. Who cares? What was wrong with the way they were?

[@PaperBanjo64]

Yeah they put those stupid tires on them because it looked "cool" instead of keeping the old design with inner liners that worked and got drivers safely back to the pits.

[@prodigy-hu6dy]

I don’t recall production cars still using 15-inch steel rims either

[@limprooster3253]

"the megateams win all the time. Just not all the dang time". Dude says that like its a failure.

[@ChaseTPS]

Its a decent car, it just have too many issues.

[@grahamcrackergaming1540]

NASCAR didn’t really go to single lug setup for cost cutting, maybe not necessarily, but it’s cause they run a aluminum rim to be more in line with current street cars since very little if not any modern car uses a steal rim anymore. But when testing the aluminum rim with the traditional 5 lug style, the rims were warping from the high loads. So they had no choice but to use a single lug nut.

[@TimiVision1]

It’s been a downgrade for most tracks, and it’s only gotten better at intermediates because it didn’t get handicapped like the Gen 6 did in its final years, even though that’s the direction they planned with. Plus the glaring flaws the car has makes me think they didn’t properly test it beforehand.

[@PaperBanjo64]

It was supposed to keep the 550 package until drivers complained during the Charlotte tests that the undertray and diffuser didn't work with the 550 package and NASCAR had to change it last minute during testing.

[@kensimpson8133]

NASCAR could fix most of the issues by increasing horsepower, getting rid of stage racing and getting rid of the chase format.

[@AImpatientMan]

The next gen on half the speedway/superspeedway:Amazing, good, etc Next gen literally anywhere else:Dog shit Seriously just make the tires fall off more. For literally every short track just spray that adhesive they did in the spring bristol race to make tirewear problems a reality. For the rest of the tracks, bring back more HP.

[@NoName-gv6pi]

Short tracks aren't interesting

[@PaperBanjo64]

​@@NoName-gv6piyou must be a new fan because prior to 2022 they were easily the best racing in NASCAR

[@NoName-gv6pi]

@@PaperBanjo64 it's stack them and wreck them, it's demo derby, what's so interesting about it?

[@PaperBanjo64]

@@NoName-gv6pi exactly that! Bumping, rubbing and hard driving,

[@NoName-gv6pi]

@@PaperBanjo64 delusional, that's what I see is Delusion , you cant expect people to say there the "best drivers" in the world when they wreck each other. It's dumb. That's why there is a stereotype for this series. I dread every time I see a short track, class less racing and am very glad Nascar has removed Richmond. It's a stain , this ain't the 2000s and the 90s anymore. Motorsports have changed.

[@3rdlineplug]

I thought the racing in 2022 was pretty good. Today, I feel like it should be tweaked at certain tracks. Short tracks are suffering the most. I really like the sound of these cars as well.

[@IanOnTheDL]

I've been saying this since these cars debuted. This is an IMSA GT car with a NASCAR body on it.

[@PaperBanjo64]

Well look who ran IMSA...now look who runs NASCAR...and there's the problem!

[@miketwotwenty]

@@IanOnTheDL their closer to gt cars not the same nascar cup car still have 3 pedals gt cars have padal shifters with 2 pedals I know the garage 56 nascar lemans car had padal shifters but the gen 7 cars are not gt cars their closer but not quite the same!

[@trent7736]

Michigan is not an intermediate

[@josephperez6706]

Intermediates are definitely better with Gen 7. Super speedways and road courses are about the same as Gen 6. Short tracks are not as good though

[@thomasgreen8894]

I'd like to know in the final season of the last Gen car, last 2 season of the last Gen car How many wheels came flying off? Now, how many wheels have came flying off in the 1st season with this Pos

[@RAGINGKNUCKLES]

Gives us more horsepower or gives us less grip. These cars are way too easy to drive for the best in motorsports. If you want to stop the gridlock you have to get these drivers to make mistakes.

[@EstebanRapido]

The lack of an inner liner is the largest mistake here. I was all for the new car until its second race in Fontana. Once I saw the beached cars and learned that the new tires didn't have space for an inner liner, I knew this car was doomed. Those beached cars have caused far too much disruption, ruining far too many drivers races and have lengthened yellow flag periods. Then there is the danger. One thing goes wrong at 200mph and suddenly the car is completely out of control. If the inner liner was still there, the driver would have a better chance at controlling the car. This whole sport is a joke now. I don't want to watch races. It's not worth my time anymore.

[@GodzillaGaming111]

Alright, you're a king.

[@Chased.Down42]

I like it better then what we had. I’m a fan of

[@dibarel]

Is it bad? Not at all, its got its faults like eveyr generation before it but it does alot of stuff well aswell. I still want the number back to the middle of the door though

[@Aussieoutlawbrooks]

Yes it is

[@EndlessFlameout4]

No it isnt

[@EndlessFlameout4]

@TimJohnson-e3z its a fact tho

[@NCS2025-vv]

off topic, but who y'all got for Champ 4 predictions? mine are: Bell Hamlin Larson Byron

[@HEXAN-SC]

They took these cars to Le Mans and y’all complain?! At this rate we could have our own GT3 level experience with stupid loud V8s but no it’s not enough

[@tylerjones9309]

YES, yea it is only thing it's maybe made better, Road Racing.

[@swarmrunner]

NASCAR has made a car which has taken the drivers out of the equation. Has to be plowing tight. No passing opportunities. Need to have stages to have passing. Plate racing puts these guys into boxes. All track position no passing. They're killing the sport. Xfinity is way better than cup. At least they have some driver talent there.

[@justcody6068]

Some? You mean maximum performance for the xfinity series

[@miketwotwenty]

you realize that nascar cup had the 3 closest finishes in history this season, actually the gen 7 cars tell who the good drivers are, it actually focuses more the drivers skill because of parity even though the top teams still are better but the field is closer than it used to be it’s the so called fake fans that complain about everything that are the problem!

[@NoName-gv6pi]

Parity

[@thetruth5232]

@@miketwotwenty Closest finishes aren't really a good metric to go by when its tons of Double file restarts GWC's and overtimes every Race. I think the big problem here is that the Races are structured to force these manufactured Scenarios rather than a test of endurance and speed.

[@Dougie1969]

You forgot to mention the endless amounts of broken toe links. The car is JUNK

[@machanicalgu]

Nah. Screw this car

[@PaperBanjo64]

It ruined Bristol and Martinsville, it HAS to go! Whoever designed this abomination should be punished for actions detrimental to stock car racing!

[@SWiFTMK7]

The xfinity car requires more skill to drive, and you can tell even by watching on tv, it drives how a nascar is supposed to. Aero package sucks, and the racing is HORRIBLE. it’s being saved by close GWC finishes!!

[@PaperBanjo64]

Yep

[@rosscrashtain]

Would it be feasible to put the Gen 6/Xfinity style Wheel hubs on that fit Xfinity brakes wheels and tires?

[@PaperBanjo64]

Yes the next gen IS that bad! And yes I remember Gen 6, Gen 6 was only horrendously bad on 1.5s and any track not a 1.5 including most short tracks, road courses and superspeedways were amazing.

[@darthhull85]

I love the look of the car and the wheels but total shame it’s not better on all track styles. Maybe time for another 90’s cookie cutter boom

[@Earthtwoishere]

Y'know what was the worse car? B U I C K

[@zbee-nah-lah]

go back to early gen 6

[@prodigy-hu6dy]

No that thing was junk too

[@zbee-nah-lah]

@@prodigy-hu6dy by early I mean 2013-16 (before 550 package)

[@maryburton3315]

This is about 2 years late

[@mattfransen6710]

Being someone who works on these. They suck. No one likes them. Now we needed to be saved from ourselves ie massive amounts of bondo and take away some of the ingenuity(gray areas) but this car took All the ingenuity out of it. We cannot do Anything to these cars! To the point where we are glorified IKEA furniture builders hoping our driver is better than the rest.

[@Cbazz]

Other than intermediate racing it's been a complete failure imo

[@randynichols4691]

If you have to ask, then yes

[@Mr.57_Official]

It may have controversies, but it's still not bad. (At least no splinter fails)

[@stormsmith6772]

It’s not that bad. I mean yeah it sucks on road courses and short tracks. But even then some of the road races and short track races are halfway decent

[@Turboyeehawguitar]

Man i think its absolutely a beautiful car. But not the best stock car. They are trying to bring in the fast and furious/urban street race gt and euro car type fans. There needs to be a super speedway motor and aero package. And do away with the dvp bs. But i love the way it looks.

[@NASCARMcDonaldsPaperSeries]

how??? this car saves NASCAR!

[@TanDawg58]

Yes

[@csxtrainfan319]

They’re Cheapskates and Lazy to fix these problems that this car has

[@frederickwstrawitchiii3329]

Everyone races under the same rules. Who cares? Whoever does it best from setup to qualifying to pit stops to strategy to driving- wins. But even when someone does that, Larson at Bristol, there are still complaints. Let's be honest, if the car was perfect, NASCAR fans would still find something to complain about.