Is the Nuclear Power in Fallout Realistic? ft. Kyle Hill - Safety Third 108

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@TheBackyardScientist
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@kylehill
Safety Third is a weekly show hosted by William Osman, NileRed, The Backyard Scientist, Allen Pan and a couple other KZbin "Scientists". Sometimes we have guests, sometimes it's just us, but always: safety is our number three priority.
0:00 : Fallout show
8:32 : Stay in school kids
25:19 : Stealing mythbusters
29:43 : Is nuclear power epic?
37:37 : Why do ppl dislike nuclear power
43:08 : Airplane crash problem
55:13 : Truth about nuclear power
01:05:16 : Radioactive birds
01:17:45 : End of the world tier list
01:24:00 : Hot Mark Zuckerberg
01:26:18 : Getting jacked with steroids

[@kylehill]

If I sound too bullish on nuclear power and downplaying nuclear disasters, it's because I go up against the arguments every single day, and it can get frustrating. I apologize. Happy to wrangle brain cats whenever you need me bois. This was fun.

[@alexanderescalante6163]

This was a very weird podcast because of how serious you were, whereas the boys were poking fun of everything, but I'm really impressed how you were able to handle it. You shouldn't apologize for speaking your mind, especially in this podcast. I'm pretty sure this community of ""engineers"" understands you very well.

[@TigerAceSullivan]

nah, this is exactly how anyone would expect you to respond to this conversation lmao

[@kylehill]

@@alexanderescalante6163 thank you alexander

[@TigerAceSullivan]

vibes of me at work desperately trying to get prep done while my coworkers having an admittedly fun time off to the side

[@Blast_HardCheese]

I just enjoyed watching your migraine blossom in the Indian giver segment

[@itamiozanare]

The gang: Their usual bullshit. Kyle: Losing his sanity and will to live.

[@bolgamore4126]

this is legitimately like seeing your science teacher at a strip club

[@kylehill]

lol

[@patrikvajgel240]

Twice.

[@DSTrystanJ]

Speaking from experience?

[@asronome]

Straight up "jorking it"

[@D3epBlueSea]

You used the word “legitimately” wrong

[@vj420]

the most american answer ever. "how much space does x take" "about 3 walmarts"

[@freezedTIM]

Americans will use any other mode of measurement except for metric. (Speaking from my own experience)

[@randomnpc445]

Wal Marts Football Fields Hamburgers The trifecta of American analogies

[@BillPickle]

listening to this podcast on speakers instead of headphones makes the simultaneous conversation bit WAY harder to follow lol

[@InsanityPlusOne]

I imagine once I finish unpacking in the new flat and add the 7.1 speakers instead of stereo it'll be real weird.

[@specificocean9490]

i wear one earbud and swap when it dies, so usually my audio is mono. I entirely tune out and ignore whenever they do the dumb talking over each other shit. I have no clue what they said during it, and dont really care.

[@knigo7967]

@@specificocean9490 bruh what earbuds are you using, i easilly get through a day (when im at work but still) with like 20% charge (without them recharging from the charging case) also that is like one of the best bits on the podcast eddit: with anc on too

[@blacksmokerise]

@@InsanityPlusOne can confirm. dolby atmos 5.2.1 setup. Cant understand a damn thing. Muted one channel at a time and replayed it though lol

[@NolieRavioli]

i thought kyle hill was already on an episode. Are you trying to tell me that people are actually willing come back after realizing what this podcast is??

[@Tunkkis]

They've had the British guy on twice.

[@kylehill]

it's a tactical risk, to be sure

[@NolieRavioli]

@@kylehill my favorite part is when you said "Nah, its like Jeff bezos and Backyard Scientist are fuckin ur wife, Will"

[@OperationDarkside]

You never know, that happens after the cameras are off.

[@OriamRepus]

I love that the reoccurring bit of the multi-conversation where whoever is talking to the guest has to explain that it's a bit, and they know it makes bad content but they do it anyways

[@RedHotMessResell]

Haha this time it went on extra long, and I was like “alright alright… move on.” 😂😂😂 but I still laughed

[@un7n0wing85]

As long as they put the audio in each ear, I can almost follow both conversations. I get completely lost when the audio is mixed though. Its a fun challenge to see how long I can follow both.

[@lady_draguliana784]

the "glowing goo" trope, if I recall correctly, came from glowing radium paint which was radioactive, toxic AF, and mixed up in big vats in factories to paint instrument panels in naval vessels (esp subs) during the war, before making it's way onto watch faces by way of poisoned women...

[@Millers-Mausoleum]

And compass needles. Keep that in your pocket 👨🏻‍🔬

[@lady_draguliana784]

@@Millers-Mausoleum yep, for a while they were putting it on EVERYTHING, there were even proposals to put it on things that weren't shielded by glass, like gun-sights.. which they decided against NOT due to the danger of toxicity and radiation poisoning, but because the glow couldn't be turned off so would give them away in the night.

[@Millers-Mausoleum]

@@lady_draguliana784 yeah, they wanted to hide it. Learning about the radium girls was enlightening and I don’t mean to make a pun.

[@lady_draguliana784]

@@Millers-Mausoleum Yep, It's in my mental bank of "remember what corporate goons are willing to do for money" right along with "People don't change"... They'd be doing it still if they'd gotten away with it.

[@Millers-Mausoleum]

@@lady_draguliana784 just like right now corporate goons and politicians are embezzling money through Ukraine, but you use that as a profile picture

[@ZeekarPRIME]

God I relate to kyles struggle with matching the mood so much, the boys swap between irony and seriousness like they're playing with a lightswitch

[@ZoniesCoasters]

58:00 Kyle asking himself why in the hell he came back onto this podcast

[@SheWhoWalksSilently]

If you didn’t watch the Fallout show with subtitles - you’re missing out, i. e., [Brain-on-a-roomba] 🤣

[@zell9058]

You are correct, Brain on a roomba got a big laugh from me and the Mrs

[@malik740]

Tim Cain, the creator of fallout has a youtube channel talking about gamedesign and the games. Aaaaand he gives interviews and lives in California so please for the love of god get him on the show

[@JonathanRossRogers]

Here's his playlist of over 70 videos about making Fallout: kzbin.info/aero/PLI8W_yHW-3DWkSU6mCX4tqyuewz6cK3G-&si=BBZXnYzI5okXPBQB

[@WilliamHollister]

Dear Lord! 😂 I did not expect his video to start with two grown men analyzing and critiquing the validity of a racist term while the other two walked them to the conclusion: "It ISN'T valid. That's WHY it's racist" 💀

[@therancidpizzabox2977]

I thought that whole time Kevin and will were arguing that the white man is the one who is giving to the Indian and then taking it away. So “Indian giver” disparages the white man not the native. But no, they were just oblivious lol

[@northerncricket5199]

@@therancidpizzabox2977they really went the route of arguing shit isn’t about poop, it’s actually a short form of shiitake and is definitely nothing to do with dung.

[@jaxynhenderson257]

It's just a shame that "Inuit" was still used the as generalization of Native Alaskans. But I still appreciate the effort they took to get William to stop comparing "Eskimo Brothers" to "Cleveland Steamer"

[@budgroweryt9947]

It's not racist, from a native American.

[@FirstLast-oe2jm]

"flock of bees" wouldn't that be a swarm?

[@Tunkkis]

Not anymore it's not.

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

They slander Jane Goodall, last week, so you think a little detail like swarm vs flock, is going to phase them !? Never let facts get in the way of a good story.

[@MickySarge]

Flock is better.

[@edwardkenway555]

Solution: splatoon style competition between nuclear powers, the arenas are all non-nuclear powers

[@jeffgoldblunt]

You, my friend, have invented proxy wars

[@batt3ryac1d]

Just go to some random desert like they do in DBZ and fucking duke it out world leader v world leader.

[@bigmiker35]

Nothing better than starting my birthday work day with 3 nerds and the guy that plays thor.

[@OperationDarkside]

Science Thor, to be specific.

[@KarmaCadet]

The guy that plays Thor IS Thor. You're confused

[@technophobian2962]

I love how the podcast just gets more chaotic over time.

[@babch0]

they peaked at ep 30 tbh (and are still the same quality, as in good until now)

[@SuicV]

Alen's logic on having more nuclear disasters is f*cking twisted, but what scares me is that it kindda makes some sense, sort of. Still a terrible idea though, and almost certainly wouldn't work

[@danielwaters3188]

It was worth watching the whole episode just for Kyle's Gollum impression.

[@boneappletee6416]

What's the timestamp?

[@weltraumaffe7460]

one of the best things about this podcast is that i dont have to skip sponsors or the intro because you dont have either :)

[@twisteddman]

Ive been watching those episodes of mythbusters on that indian channel LOL. The official Mythbusters channel is now running them as well, just different seasons

[@CYDeviant]

There is no official channel lol, it's all just some dude in india. They're starting to get blocked in the US.

[@valicove]

Get cody'slab as a guest please.

[@goose_memes]

He's gonna bring a bucket of mercury with him

[@viola_case]

He said he wouldn't be on

[@devamjani9423]

​@@viola_caseWhere and when?

[@Suninrags]

​@@viola_case gonna share with the class?

[@ajofmars2579]

@@viola_case I also would like to know, as Cody’sLab is one of my if not my favorite creator on KZbin, and think it would be great to see him on Safety Third.

[@un7n0wing85]

I think people are underestimating how powerful the Photoshop AI tools are. There's a real picture as a base and a handful of AI generated bits added. It gets so much harder to tell that it's AI when 90% of the picture is real.

[@elshadsabziyev]

Ghoul William is not real, he can't hurt you. Ghoul William on the thumbnail;

[@real.bingus]

Thank you guys for FINALLY getting the hottest science youtuber, Kevin, on the show!!

[@dweeep03]

i didn't see Nigel

[@babch0]

​@@dweeep03go a few eps back, just squint a bit

[@kylehill]

adding this to my bio

[@JazzMac36251]

Goddammit, Will. NU-CLEAR. NUUUUU-CLEARRRRR.

[@Verchiel_]

Nu Metal NU METAL

[@tristinyaeger9222]

Literally the whole episode I was annoyed by the constant nucular

[@vonneely1977]

I can't imagine Kyle as a ghoul, but I can imagine him as one of those rare genius supermutans like Virgil.

[@aidanclark196]

Kyle was literally me this entire episode oml guys

[@tristinyaeger9222]

Same.

[@tnearing]

I fired up fo4 and started this podcast at the same time. It gave me one of those SPECIAL intro videos and I just sat through it while you guys did the tow mics thing. It was like trying to watch something in a dorm room while both your roommates have friends over and are having two separate conversations.

[@Sauvenil]

I live near Soudan, Minnesota. There's an underground mine there that's been closed since the 60s, but was donated to the State of Minnesota, and they run tours of the historical mine operations. Also, the U of M and some other scientific organizations built a neutrino detector in a giant cavern at the bottom level of the mine, half a mile underground. A neutrino beam was shot through the ground at the detector, from Chicago if I remember right? The experiment was to figure out if neutrinos have mass. But they chose that particular place because of the depth of the mine and the fact that all of the equipment is working and well-kept. The lab was deep enough that it was completely insulated from cosmic radiation.

[@-a6833]

Can someone make a compilation of just Allen laughing throughout?

[@thelastcube.]

he's too good at mimicking character voices for the nuclear guy on youtube almost like someone can make anti anti-nuclear-propaganda PR videos with mickey explaining how safe nuclear is

[@bolivianPsyOp]

I bet the group chat these guys have is wildly insane, I need more engineering friends

[@faxthing]

Watched this to feel better, ended up feeling much worse.

[@cruze_the]

did you see kyle's golem impression at the end?

[@faxthing]

@@cruze_the that was pretty fire

[@louiesumrall358]

thank you so much for splitting the audio i really missed it

[@_ch1pset]

I love the chaotic energy of this podcast so much, I think it's my literally my favorite podcast ever

[@dylankiley1311]

Why does it feel like Kyle Hill being on S3 is like when a TV show removes or replaces a character for another random one in the main cast is him with Nigel

[@timschulz9563]

Wow, thanks for having NileTransparent on the show!

[@SlimedogYT]

Kevin...hold the mic TO YOUR FACE! You know, the hole where your sound comes from?!

[@zacharybowen9937]

This is, without a doubt, my favorite podcast. I have watched every episode since it started and loved every single one

[@MrHyde2k]

I used to have all the ultimas, and those were in the 80`s and the maps were cloth. Such beautiful work done to the games in the 80`s

[@jacknikolai5416]

38:04 yeah, them cleaning up stuff on the cat walks in the sky was something else. They would have a line of people and they would tell them to run to the end and scoop for so many seconds, and then run back and give the shovel to the next person the thing is though they all died anyway.

[@sagenod440]

I like to think of the multiple conversations occurring simultaneously as a sort of palette cleanser for the mind. Like, I just heard some information, now I’ll just hear some noise.

[@victor9sur768]

In the UK I've heard Allen's statement referred to as stirring someone else's porridge

[@Kai-Made]

This is a team up I did not know we needed. Love me some science THOR...and these other cats are always fun to listen to as well. Thanks for existing folks...make a dull day better!

[@KarmaCadet]

The mental image of Nile Red ripping a chicken in half is permanently burned into my brain... thanks guys

[@drewjones3536]

Brady from SmarterEveryDay will only ever be a family friendly channel because that's his brand! Don't hate Vanilla Ice Cream because it's missing all the ingredients from Rocky Road, each ice cream has a different and valid approach to taste.

[@Relgar47]

Hows that for timing! Was just looking for an excuse to slack off at work!

[@babch0]

are there any safety third communities except the patreon discord? i have been wondering for a longer while

[@zackmarkham4240]

Thank you Kevin! I've been trying to remember the name of and find Arcanum for YEARS! My dude!

[@Jvenoia]

"they are laughing about something serious I am trying to say" that's the name of the podcast Kyle

[@KafshakTashtak]

I like how you guys Humbled Kyle Hill. That Bill Nye Joke was perfect.

[@spudguncallum]

the 2 conversations at once sounds like my adhd when im trying to sleep

[@GamePlague]

It might make sense to drop the word nuclear from nuclear power plants. Just call them fission/fusion power plants or something like that.

[@wtfpwnz0red]

2:05 i really have come to expect it. Always a joy to get double the conversations for a little while

[@kvvvy6359]

I was not expecting that smoke for Destin

[@jacewhite8540]

I feel like y'all went a little overboard on the bs this episode. There were many times I was actually invested in the conversation and it was kind of forced off the rails. Believe me I love this show for that reason, but mostly with topics that aren't all the serious or relevant. I think Kyle was really trying to spread some good information here and was hard to get through the bs. I would have like to see more of tone y'all took with Vsauce Michael, more chill really trying discuss the topics.

[@bigmuffexpress]

yeah it's a shame how they kept cutting him off

[@jyrolys6]

There was a decent spread of info if you focus on it, lets not forget that this podcast was never about being serious. Moreso people capable of being very serious going off the rails. Kyle has a number of videos going in more depth about most of what was touched on, you're free to look more into his stuff since you seem curious.

[@Thayne20001]

@Kylehill I really appreciated your seriousness about all of the ai and nuclear talk. I am curious, how do you manage thinking about all of these huge existential threats to society? It feels so easy to sink into denial about the problems/ turning a blind eye/ a depression that nothing can be fixed because everything is outside of our control. I think I am generally an optimistic person, but it is very sobering when I am directly confronted with these facts that are true... anyways, great episode, hope to meet you at Open Sauce! Thank you for all you do.

[@Verchiel_]

It's a hard term to sell but just Try to be realistic Acknowledge the good and the bad, don't deny the potential future atrocities while not forgetting that positive things also exist. Choosing what to care about also helps. Your life takes priority, you might not be able to convince the world nuclear energy is a good road to head towards, but you can certainly work on your health and wealth. The healthier and wealthier you are, the easier it is to make an impact in the world. I don't recall the term but there's a way of thought adjacent to nihilism, which dictates that life doesn't have an inherit purpose and nothing really matters, so you should just take in the pleasures of life and do as much stuff as you can for the fun of it. There are plenty of avenues you can look towards to help ease existential dread. Or watch some kurzgesagt videos if you feel like indulging in it instead.

[@gabbyhansen328]

i’m a high school senior and pretty much everyone i’m friends with is extremely pro-nuclear for pretty rational reasons, not just because we’re stupid contrarian high schoolers lmao

[@danielwgk]

So much easier to follow with the wide seperation stereo. really need to get that dynamic stereo mix.

[@jsquire1331]

47:00 this is the best trolley experiment variant

[@goshisanniichi]

Arcanum!!! Arcanum is awesome.

[@oogiesmuncher]

wtf happened to chris hemsworth?

[@kylehill]

radiation

[@lindabagels3090]

This should be higher

[@user-kc5cs9yk1c]

I was cooking dinner and had the volume off reading subtitles. I just started actually paying attention.

[@Millers-Mausoleum]

This is my new favorite thing. Genuine laughter is priceless

[@christiangregersjrgensen3828]

Kyle is the best part of Safety Third

[@sebastianmackay5657]

Bro I'm listening to this while working, headset, one conversation in one ear and another in the other what the hell is going on lmao

[@j1j250]

listening to the pod with headphones is so peak thank you for splitting the channels

[@joshuawargo6446]

allen introducing them all to the term "eskimo brother" has to be one of the SINGLE. FUNNIEST. THINGS. EVER. I have seen on this show/podcast xD ☠🤣

[@JonathanRossRogers]

53:26 Some reactors in power plants, such as those in Chernobyl, were designed to create weapon-grade plutonium. Kyle's comments about configuration, shape, charges, etc., still all apply.

[@persianprince8081]

I don't know why i keep watching hoping you guys are just gonna be funny instead of giving me extreme existential dread

[@nicholash.7656]

Good morning SAFETY THIRD!

[@Gamescare]

I know it's hard to get Nigel there, BUT PLEASE DO AN EPISODE WITH THAT CHEMIST AND NIGEL!!!! I appreciate every effort of this chaos, I love it. I don't wanna be a peepee-breath. I love every episode!!

[@The_Goon_Father]

someone please check on Kyle bros sanity is absolutely diminished after this lmao

[@zell9058]

Kyle is something else

[@kylehill]

be more specific

[@zell9058]

@@kylehill there’s not many people in this world who I respect/trust enough to give honest information on existential threats that can also pivot instantly into a spot on voice of MM busting. When Goofy asked can i get you a towel, a nearly 40 y.o man was laughing so hard he had tears in his eyes. That Sir is something else.

[@Skizz101]

Best outro you guys have ever done

[@CopiHuman]

It's quite wholesome seeing kyle in the comments. He's a cool guy, I almost jumped out of my seat when I saw another upload here with him.

[@OnnieKoski]

Thought I’d be hearing about radiation, not toxic racism 😂

[@Millers-Mausoleum]

It’s ok the ramones had a song about it. Too catchy so keeping it

[@emoryolsoff96]

1:21:03 I love Kevin so much. Actually I can't even decide who I love more out of you three

[@brokenfone]

I know it's the bit, but I feel like I listen to half the podcast now that they just talk over each other, I used to not skip through them but 😂

[@babch0]

thats the point, you put one side of your headphones away for the while and then go back, also you dont have much coherent things to listen to even normally lol

[@brokenfone]

​O my gosh I didn't actually realize they are giving us twice as much content for the same price 😂​@@babch0

[@jrocmagoo]

They always talked over each other it's part of the podcast

[@Lujeca]

It’s completely comprehensible if you have headphones, it’s pretty hype

[@noodlelynoodle.]

​@@Lujecaeven on phones a lot of them have stereo sound now, like I can hear one channel out of my main speaker and the other out of the one you have next to your ear for phone calls

[@wayneosborne2506]

Goggins is the man! Loved him since the Shield

[@bolivianPsyOp]

We need a new simulator, nuclear power plant simulator for the PR bump

[@lavasharkandboygirl9716]

Kyle fits so well into this group it’s amazing

[@Millers-Mausoleum]

They need beers

[@JonathanRossRogers]

BTW, Tim Cain has made loads of videos about making Fallout and Fallout 2 at Interplay, Arcanum at Troika and various other games. www.youtube.com/@CainOnGames/playlists

[@seevah]

I want an episode with Kyle (one of the more smarter people) and Nick from the yard (one of the Dumbest) people together in the same episode

[@thecaptainnoodles]

50:41 kyle just gets verbally attacked lmfao

[@andrewspohrer7183]

This is, undoubtedly, one of the podcasts of all time

[@ronaldmartin2666]

I’ve never heard of this podcast, that’s one hell of an introduction

[@t1g049]

was just watching some kyle hill stuff 😆

[@kylehill]

appreciate you!

[@AndyTrucker1985]

I live within 2 hrs distance to 3 nuke plants here in Ontario canada and used to deliver tools and equipment for a construction company that refurbishs reactors and plants ... fro experience. .. you wouldn't make it 2 feet maliciously in those facilities without being shot good luck stealing nuclear material

[@octrock10]

The nuclear power pr disaster is the whole reason why I want to help teach about nuclear saftey

[@kylehill]

If I may: kzbin.info/aero/PLNg1m3Od-GgNmXngCCJaJBqqm-7wQqGAW

[@EmmanIntac]

yippee podcast released on my birthday!

[@Benny23761]

I grew up in the early 80s and the term indian giver was used a lot. As was said the meaning was that someone is taking back something that was previously gifted or sold. In elementary school, long before learning the colonizer version of manifest destiny, but right after the heroic bloodless version of Columbus "discovering" America, the veiw of Native Americans was built on the offensively biased and grossly oversimplified story of the first thanksgiving where the Disney Peter Pan style "Indians" welcomed the pilgrims and gave them food and later gave or sold us land (both stories were perpetuated) but later on made war with us to take it back.

[@safrimmons2956]

I still love the split channels lmao

[@aarongreatrex-sweeney4954]

I actually left a comment on Allen's short a few days ago talking about how I was watching a lot of mythbusters recently and I am watching them on banijay science and the mythbusters channel (I am illegally downloading them because I'm not watching 5 hours worth of ads)

[@rpgruli]

Nile have nice result with elixir of transparancy, good job Nole!)

[@zachh6868]

Kyle Hill wearing Game Theorist socks on The Safety Third podcast... Wild!

[@coffeefish4743]

Scariest thing I see with tech is the possibility of attention death and hyper survalience. I don't hear enough people hating on digital footprint.

[@CYDeviant]

Kevin's face at 37:29 - That's how I feel too

[@denny0420]

i wish these 3 dudes calm down i wanna hear Kyle tell me more bout nuclear power