Is the "Pre-Tribulation Rapture" Doctrine Correct? - Zac Poonen

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[@Joel-dl1mx]

2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

[@rickhuntling7338]

@Janaina Ribeiro KJV changed "the departure" to "a falling away" removing the definite artical. They did it over political strife with the RCC. You'rethe one that has been deceived by a 16 century "man" King James.

[@fredlemani]

Yes the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ on the earth is after great triburation of which elect saints will be GATHERED by angels while the rapture ( CAUGHT UP) of the church will be there before great triburation and the Antchrist( the son of lawlessness).

[@fredlemani]

@Janaina Ribeiro The coming of Jesus Christ in rapture only the church of which was praising him in spirit and truth will see the Lord Jesus Christ first( PLEASE NOTE that rapture is NOT first resurrection but first redemption from wrath) that is why there is word of which is says " one will be taken up and one will be left'', which the coming of Jesus Christ on the earth is when every eyes shall see him coming in the croud together with those redeemed in rapture and the great shout of Angels on to mount Olive where he departed when going heaven. You have to know this not because i only say but helped by Holly Spirit and not the teaching of those who went to school and taught by men of which are led not by Holly Spirit especially SDA church

[@Joel-dl1mx]

@@fredlemani your interpretation of the verbs you fonted BOLD isn’t in keeping to the original Greek text and other parallel passages which leads to incorrect doctrine that misleads many. God will bless the reading of His written word.

[@fredlemani]

@@Joel-dl1mx youcan't understand if not led by Holly Spirit. Even i can see that you don't want to agree because you can fill shame among those you have deceived. I charange you that with my holly Spirit you can proofed wrong if you meet me face to face with my Bible

[@5ky7all]

"We aren't appointed to God's wrath!" So you think the time when Satan's reign on earth, his wrath (as mentioned in Rev 12) against believers, is God's wrath? Everybody keeps saying they won't be here for the persecution and the Mark. Why not? Is that not our spiritual birthright? Does the Bible not tell of believers being persecuted and dying in horrible ways? Just as we get the eternal treasure of salvation, so do we get the persecution from the world/Satan. Not to mention, the wheat and tares are meant to grow together until the time of harvest, then the tares are taken while the wheat is left behind, inheriting the earth. It's ironic how christians fear and hate the idea of being left behind when that's literally exactly where we want to be when everything is done. The phrase "survival of the fittest" comes to mind. Endure until the end. God let's Satan persecute the saints to weed out who is truly faithful to God vs Satan. That's literally the point of tribulation, the trying of the saints. I used to believe pre trib, until I studied on my own. Not only is it not biblically supported, it makes absolutely no sense when observing our history as a people. Believing we won't face tribulation makes you unprepared for when it breaks your door down. Covid hit and people were getting vaccinated despite the shadow of the Mark it made. People had their jobs and access to places threatened over it. You wouldn't be allowed in places without, and many churches paid the resemblance no mind. If this "test trial" broke up families and friends, and showed how easy people would get it to save themselves, how much worse it will be for those when the Mark demands your soul. If pre trib is right, our stances won't matter because believing is believing. If it's wrong, imagine the effects that will have on people waiting for someone to save them from a world bent on destruction?

[@garvinsmith4555]

It is impossible for us to even begin to comprehend the severity of the tribulation, yet some of us believe that we can by believing we can endure it.

[@kenklein9228]

"If this "test trial" broke up families and friends, and showed how easy people would get it to save themselves, how much worse it will be for those when the Mark demands your soul." Yes. And in fact, it will be incredibly bad well before the anti christ arrives on the scene. It will in fact be the later portion of the birth pangs that will cause many to fall away, and that's just around the corner. Time for us to get ready!

[@SurvivetheStorm7]

@@garvinsmith4555 the apostles believed in word of God and suffering horrible deaths. Have faith many will be martyrs for the faith during the great tribulation. Praise God for his blessings. Endure till the end, do not be afraid of those who can kill the body. James 5:7-11. Love you always. We have need to stand on word of God. Building your house upon the rock. Being truthful with scriptures and what they teach.

[@madsheila4169]

@Luke Legasis Amen.

[@grahamwhitman5515]

@Luke Legasis SPOT ON MY BROTHER

[@charlesstreng1074]

It is about time that I hear someone who believes like I do, that is the Word of God. Keep up the great work my brother. God pour out His Holy Spirit upon you wherever you go. Bless you my dear brother. I tried to teach the same thing that you are doing, but to no avail. I was told that I was wrong, because the Holy Spirit told this person and others that I was wrong. Oh dear. So I no longer teach this group, for their refusal to listen to the truth, that they don't care to here.

[@jsteele650]

Be encouraged! You're missing the best parts. The harvest of the crops is before his return. We are his body, and we will return with our Lord. The Lord does not want you to go down into the bed of tribulation. His bridal remnant will speak to warn the church and the world but will be rejected by all. The Lord warns his saints to let no man take thy crown. Mans doctrines will steal many crowns! The church has the opportunity to not go down into the tribulation period, but their doctrines are going to take them there. They should have had crowns, but now they are holding palm branches. Revelation 3:11 [11]Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Know this....if there is a LAST TRUMP, there is a FIRST TRUMP. If there is a HIGH CALLING, there is a LESSER CALLING. A remnant will be SEATED in the MIDST OF THE THRONE, wearing CROWNS. Other believers will be STANDING BEFORE THE THRONE, holding PALMS. There are 3 companies of believers that will be taken out of here by ranks before the middle of the week of tribulation. I hope you can hear the truth so you can depart with the first call at pretrib. The LORD DOES COME AFTER TRIBULATION, but what you can't see or you have never been taught.... WE COME WITH HIM. The whole church is already in heaven by the middle of tribulation, dear believer! I am going to show you some verses to give you a FULL VIEW, and maybe your eyes can receive spiritual understanding. Let's go! Matthew 24:28-31 [28]For wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together. The eagles are the FULL OVERCOMERS that departed into heaven at pretrib. These are the Philadelphian Eagle Saints that were kept out of the hour of temptation. Revelation 3:10 [10]Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. WHERE IS THE CARCASS AND WHO IS THE CARCASS?!?!? The answer is Jesus, and he is seated on his throne in heaven. Revelation 5:6 [6]And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a LAMB AS IT HAD BEEN SLAIN, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. The EAGLE SAINTS ARE FOUND IN THE MIDST OF THE THRONE WITH THEIR BRIDEGROOM, THEY ARE WITH THE LAMB WHO WAS SLAIN. NOW.....Let's talk about when these full overcomers eagle saints were caught up to heaven. The book of John represents the EAGLE. John is representing the full overcomers, the Philadelphia eagle saints. They were CAUGHT UP ALIVE through the open door, directly into the throne room, at pretrib, on the morning of the day of the Lord! Read the verse below, my friend. The FIRST VOICE IS THE FIRST TRUMP! The Lord shouts to John the eagle, "COME UP HERE!" Revelation 4:1-2 [1]After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the FIRST VOICE which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET (((THE FIRST TRUMPET CALL))) talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. [2]And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. OK, as I have proved through scripture that it is there. The eagles are already in the midst of the throne before we get to the next verse. [29]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [30]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. ****In verse 31, his elect are gathered FROM HEAVEN, not the earth.**** Furthermore, the verses used in 2 Thessalonians are scriptures to comfort those believers left behind. I Thessalonians was written to those believers who laid hold of the high and heavenly bridal call.

[@jasonhash3272]

AMEN BROTHER! So many dear brothers just cant see the crystal clear teaching about us facing tribulation! Keep preaching what God clearly teaches!!!

[@marshallevoltzministries9240]

I too tried to believe the pre-tribulation rapture, but there were too many things that just didn't add up for me. Truthfully, I was disappointed to not find proof in God's word of a pre-trib rapture. We will be here, but God will keep us. Thank you brother for teaching the truth ❤.

[@normmcinnis4102]

Take a careful look at Hebrews 9:28. It is very specific. i have not heard anyone bring this one up in years. They go to Matthew 24 which is Not a rapture "teaching"

[@garvinsmith4555]

​@@normmcinnis4102If the taking of the righteous out of the way of God's wrath is not the rapture as explained in Mathew 24 I don't know what is.

[@jsteele650]

Be encouraged! You're missing the best parts. The harvest of the crops is before his return. We are his body, and we will return with our Lord. The Lord does not want you to go down into the bed of tribulation. His bridal remnant will speak to warn the church and the world but will be rejected by all. The Lord warns his saints to let no man take thy crown. Mans doctrines will steal many crowns! The church has the opportunity to not go down into the tribulation period, but their doctrines are going to take them there. They should have had crowns, but now they are holding palm branches. Revelation 3:11 [11]Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Know this....if there is a LAST TRUMP, there is a FIRST TRUMP. If there is a HIGH CALLING, there is a LESSER CALLING. A remnant will be SEATED in the MIDST OF THE THRONE, wearing CROWNS. Other believers will be STANDING BEFORE THE THRONE, holding PALMS. There are 3 companies of believers that will be taken out of here by ranks before the middle of the week of tribulation. I hope you can hear the truth so you can depart with the first call at pretrib. The LORD DOES COME AFTER TRIBULATION, but what you can't see or you have never been taught.... WE COME WITH HIM. The whole church is already in heaven by the middle of tribulation, dear believer! I am going to show you some verses to give you a FULL VIEW, and maybe your eyes can receive spiritual understanding. Let's go! Matthew 24:28-31 [28]For wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together. The eagles are the FULL OVERCOMERS that departed into heaven at pretrib. These are the Philadelphian Eagle Saints that were kept out of the hour of temptation. Revelation 3:10 [10]Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. WHERE IS THE CARCASS AND WHO IS THE CARCASS?!?!? The answer is Jesus, and he is seated on his throne in heaven. Revelation 5:6 [6]And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a LAMB AS IT HAD BEEN SLAIN, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. The EAGLE SAINTS ARE FOUND IN THE MIDST OF THE THRONE WITH THEIR BRIDEGROOM, THEY ARE WITH THE LAMB WHO WAS SLAIN. NOW.....Let's talk about when these full overcomers eagle saints were caught up to heaven. The book of John represents the EAGLE. John is representing the full overcomers, the Philadelphia eagle saints. They were CAUGHT UP ALIVE through the open door, directly into the throne room, at pretrib, on the morning of the day of the Lord! Read the verse below, my friend. The FIRST VOICE IS THE FIRST TRUMP! The Lord shouts to John the eagle, "COME UP HERE!" Revelation 4:1-2 [1]After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the FIRST VOICE which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET (((THE FIRST TRUMPET CALL))) talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. [2]And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. OK, as I have proved through scripture that it is there. The eagles are already in the midst of the throne before we get to the next verse. [29]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [30]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. ****In verse 31, his elect are gathered FROM HEAVEN, not the earth.**** Furthermore, the verses used in 2 Thessalonians are scriptures to comfort those believers left behind. I Thessalonians was written to those believers who laid hold of the high and heavenly bridal call.

[@melaniefafard1684]

people are very stuck on this false teaching of the pre trib rapture .... it is plain in the word what he says

[@garvinsmith4555]

Sister lets be real, do you really think we can survive the tribulation in the body we're living in right now? The body is weak, and it makes us prone to sin. Right now, it is hard to keep the old man in check because of the temptations of the Devil who hasn't yet been given the freedom to reign. I can't even begin to imagine what it will be like for us in this sinful body when he does have that freedom. I think that we're downplaying the severity of the tribulation. I believe that the severity of the tribulation is way beyond anything we can ever imagine.

[@kenklein9228]

Correct.

[@jaytek74]

I love Men of God who are blessed with the boldness to speak the truth. Growing up I was indoctrinated with Pre-tribulation rapture and also sadly I was not indoctrinated with the need to repent and that led to a long history of shameful behavior. This video is full of truths that I wish I had of known a long time ago. I never searched for what I was taught by my parents and pastors to find it in the Holy Bible until a couple of years ago and I was shocked at the false teachings that I used to accept as the truth. There are for sure many ear tickling doctrines especially in the Western evangelical churches.

[@thenextlevel3910]

Wide is the gate , broad is the road that leadeth to destruction and many be ther at . Straight is the gate and narrow is the path that leads to life , and few be ther and find it...

[@sittlahaze4499]

@@thenextlevel3910 Its absolutely not that what the lord meant. If you believe in pre rapture has nothing to do with the narrow path my friend. And the scripture says that it will be a pre tribulation rapture. The rapture is explained as something very nice for us Christian’s. It wouldn’t make sense if we must go into big tribulation before the rapture. Because the scripture says, before the antichrist can be revealed, the Holy Spirit must be taken away. The Holy Spirit lives inside of us. Don’t be blind my friend.

[@dfkuz]

@@sittlahaze4499 There's no tribulation to be raptured from as Israel is out of the picture for good! There is new prophecy just for us pagans saved by the gift of God in Ephesians 2:8 & 9 KJV! It's in Ephesians and Colossians, the last books of scripture written: Col. 3:4; 1:13; 3:11 KJV; and Ephesians 2:15: 3:6; 3:9 KJV: a new second coming, the appearing; a new kingdom, of his dear Son, not Israel; the one new man made of twain of us and the saints of time past. Evil men and seducers (demons) are waxing worse and worse but God does not plan to punish the world; he plans to shower his grace and affection on those that have accepted his gift in Ephesians! (For more info, please read my comment above to the pastor!)

[@markanthony3275]

Of course the Rev. Jim Jones spoke "the truth with boldness" ...problem is, the people who were swayed by him didn't know the truth themselves.

[@meangirlhockey2812]

Blessings to you preacher, love from Canada 🇨🇦

[@pauldurand4780]

From me too ya hoser, eh? ;)

[@leslieryanc.bolabo9853]

Thanks be to God ❤ May the Peace of the Lord be with us, the Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour. In Jesus name I humbly pray, Amen. 🙇‍♂

[@SpotterVideo]

The globalists at the "World Economic Forum" have said by 2030 you will own nothing, and you will be "happy". Meanwhile many in the modern Church claim we do not need to be concerned about global government. The truth is found below. The New Covenant Kills the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine: Since the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20, how is the New Covenant Church age going to end before the Second Coming of Christ? Why would anyone think God is going back to the Old Covenant system now made “obsolete” by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13? We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. "It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view." (The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.) The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.

[@freeb4917]

I've left many churches because of the false teaching of a pre rapture.. it's hard to find a church that teaches that we will go thru the tribulation before Christ returns. It will be cut short for the elects sake. Love Zack Poonans teaching.

[@biblehistoryscience3530]

Pre-trib is actually in the minority. The vast majority of the church reject the pre-trib rapture, as you do. These agree with you: Lutheran, Calvinist Reformed, Anglican, Presbyterian, Eastern Orthodox churches., Roman Catholic, Mormon, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Seventh Day Adventist, the 700 Club, Jim Baker, Arnold Murray, and Joel Osteen. Why did you think you were in the minority?

[@koz449]

Yes that makes sense

[@courageforchrist2273]

​@biblehistoryscience3530 The pretrib rapture is the majority view held by Protestant churches. Most of those denominations you listed are either not Christian (cults) or are denominations that promote false doctrines. This narrows the choice for those who are seeking churches that not only teach sound doctrine, but also teach a post trib view.

[@susanflakes6968]

Amen...thank you...Blessings!

[@thomassackett4091]

i had to leave my church of 20 years,because i discovered this truth. Preach it .

[@believeit8103]

I wouldn't leave a church for a non- Heaven or Hell discrepancy. That's just me I guess.

[@kingfisher5200]

But where did you go? Are you out of a local church now? I think it's better to fellowship with believers that don't see eye to eye than to be alone

[@rickysikes1631]

I agree completely. Not believing in the accepted interpretation of the 2nd coming and prophecies has brought rejection of those who believe they will not suffer. There will be a great falling away when these people suffer.

[@jeffmcbride6766]

I believe The church today has fallen into apostasy with dispensational doctorine

[@TheMrSSchoeman]

l will pray for you. we as believers will meet Jesus in the air before the tribulation. There is the Holy Spirit holding the antichrist back to reveal himself. read Thessolisenses 2 verse 3 to 8. Get ready not to be left behind. even you preacher. l will pray for you.

[@jeffmcbride6766]

@@TheMrSSchoeman false dispensation of teaching I’m afraid.

[@jessicasuzanne___]

@@TheMrSSchoemanNo The Bible does not say that You're sadly mistaken Pre-trib is not in the there; it is false doctrine and man-made teaching. Nowhere in the Bible does it say we will be exempt from the tribulation

[@grahamwhitman5515]

@@TheMrSSchoeman whichever way, it is always best to prepare for the worst. Woe to all who were not prepared. At that time we will witness THE BIIGGEST FALLING AWAY.

[@dustinatkinson6281]

I am in despair because I am literally surrounded by fellow believers that actually BELIEVE that they're going to get out of here before ANYthing bad happens - they're actually told that they'll never see the Anti-Christ, never have to worry about the Mark of the Beast, etc. If satan had to pick one single deception that would ensure that Christians were totally unprepared for his coming onslaught, and even take them out of the fight before it even began, he'd be hard-pressed to come up with something better than this Pre-Tribulation Rapture LIE.

[@christopherryananderson2064]

I'm with you bro. I am surrounded by those who believe in the pre-trib rapture doctrine as well. I tried rationalizing with them by showing them the original Greek understanding of each passage and they ignore everything I say. They infer pre-trib rapture to be true and twist every passage to fit their doctrine. I got so exhausted trying to rationalize with them. I lost respect for them because they do not love the purity of Scripture. I tried to empathize with them, but it started to draw me away from the truth of the Scriptures and I could feel deception filling my heart. So, I had to stop communicating with them about the pre-trib rapture doctrine. I did not like the feeling of allowing myself to twist Scripture in order to understand the pre-trib rapture doctrine. I had to respect the purity of Scripture so that deception would not seek into my heart. The truth of Scripture is definitely not a pre-trib rapture. We definitely need to endure the tribulation of the end times. This is mentioned in Matthew 24, 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 and the letters written to the church in Revelations chapters 2 and 3. Plus, many other passages. Anyway, I understand your situation bro. I wish I had Christian friends that don't believe in pre-trib rapture doctrine. This doctrine creates so much divisions within the body of Christ.

[@LethalMayo]

I think its literally the devils greatest deception. People want to believe it so bad they see it in the bible. They are terrified that they will have to suffer a little.

[@garvinsmith4555]

@@LethalMayo the severity of the tribulation is something that shouldn't be downplayed because it is more severe than anything we can ever imagine.

[@SpotterVideo]

The globalists at the "World Economic Forum" have said by 2030 you will own nothing, and you will be "happy". Meanwhile many in the modern Church claim we do not need to be concerned about global government. The truth is found below. The New Covenant Kills the Pretrib Rapture Doctrine: Since the New Covenant is “everlasting” in Hebrews 13:20, how is the New Covenant Church age going to end before the Second Coming of Christ? Why would anyone think God is going back to the Old Covenant system now made “obsolete” by the New Covenant in Hebrews 8:13? We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. "It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view." (The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.) The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.

[@garvinsmith4555]

Brother Dustin Atkinson, it is very hard for me to see the lies in the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine as you said there are! If what I've written here is a lie, please explain! We can see by Jesus's description of his second coming that It'll be a public event. He said it'll be as lightning shining from east to west, and all eyes will see him coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. But never did he say that his coming judgment and the rapture will be public events, and I cannot see why you would think that because Jesus is the one who said that his coming judgment and the rapture will come suddenly, and unexpectedly in Mathew 24:39 and Luke 17:27. He said they knew not until the flood came and destroyed them all. "THEY KNEW NOT" of his coming judgment until it came. This means that destruction came upon them suddenly, and unexpectedly and in Luke 17:30 Jesus said even thus shall it be in the day when the son of man is revealed. We can see in Luke 17:30 that Jesus is telling us that a day is coming again when the wrath of God will suddenly, and unexpectedly be revealed from heaven and the world will not know of that day until it comes. This event cannot, and will not happen at the time of his second coming which we both know is going to be a public event.

[@davidcorrea4812]

Acts of the Apostle chapter 14 verse 22; " Strengthening the souls of the disciples, exhorting them to continue in the faith, and saying ," We must through many tribulations enter the kingdom of God". I must enter through the narrow gate. Gospel of Mathew chapter 7 verses 13 and 14

[@lucasmcdonald837]

"Ane enemy has done this." May God deliver us from deception. AMEN and AMEN.

[@1stunna91]

I seriously question the faith of anyone who believes in a pre tribulation rapture because the bible is as clear as Day about it. They go by man's doctrine, not the Bibles word.

[@MisterN0b0dy]

The doctrine of the rapture is soundly Biblical and even a cursory study of the writings of the early church fathers shows that a firm belief in the rapture was already widespread two millennia ago. The English phrase “caught up” in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 translates the Greek word harpazo, which means “to seize upon with force” or “snatch up”. The Latin translators of the Bible used the word rapturo, the root of the English term “rapture”. At the rapture, living believers will be “snatched up”, translated into the clouds, to join the Lord in the air. Paul uses the words “clouds” and “air” to emphasise the reality of the event and draw attention to the fact that there are multiple examples in Scripture of people having already been raptured (“snatched up”), including Enoch, Elijah, Philip, Paul, John and of course Jesus at His ascension. The descriptions of all these events use the same terminology to describe the catching away; Paul intentionally uses this terminology in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. The rapture of the church is an event separate and distinct from the Second Coming of Jesus to earth. I do not know anyone who believes in the rapture that appeals to Matthew 24 as a proof text. Arguing against this passage is therefore a complete straw man. Paul is NOT using the imagery of how it was customary for first century citizens to show visiting dignitaries respect by going out to greet them and escorting them back to their city, because visiting dignitaries didn’t “seize by force” or “snatch up” those citizens coming out to meet him. If this is the imagery Paul wanted to convey, he would have used a different and more appropriate word than harpazo. Jesus went to great lengths to ensure His disciples understood His Second Coming, so taught them about it within the context of a common event they were already very familiar with; He spoke about His Second Coming in the context of the Jewish wedding custom. This needs to be studied before the doctrine of the rapture is lazily dismissed. If the rapture does not exist, how could the bride (the church) come WITH Jesus at His return? In 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 (and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52) Jesus comes for His church and takes her to His Father’s house (as described in John 14:3). In contrast, at Jesus’ Second Coming with His saints, He descends from heaven to set up His Messianic Kingdom on earth (Matthew 24:27-31); a literal 1,000 year rule on earth (Revelation 20:1-6). There is a difference between the two events. This is further evidenced by how the rapture is characterised in the New Testament as a “mystery” (1 Corinthians 15:51-54), that is, a truth not revealed until its disclosure by the apostles, whereas the Second Coming was predicted in the Old Testament. In fact, the oldest prophecy uttered by a prophet was given by Enoch before the Flood about the Second Coming, who was himself raptured without seeing death (Jude 1:14-15). In summary, the movement of the believer at the rapture is from the earth to heaven, whereas at the Second Coming it is from heaven to earth. At the rapture, the Lord comes for His saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16), while at the Second Coming the Lord comes with His saints (1 Thessalonians 3:13).

[@lionandthelamb2907]

Yes there will be a rapture but it will be at the end of the great tribulation.

[@MisterN0b0dy]

@@lionandthelamb2907 no it won’t. The tribulation- particularly the last 3.5 years - is God pouring out His wrath on a rebellious and unrepentant world. The Bible clearly teaches that we as believers aren’t appointed to wrath; for the believer, God’s wrath was poured out on His Son on the cross. If you believe the rapture is post-trib, please address what I wrote and how that could possibly fit with the teaching outlined, which makes clear the rapture and Christ’s Second Coming to earth are two distinct and separate events.

[@lionandthelamb2907]

I hear you brother. If you’re willing, check out the ten part series from a KZbin channel called “2028end”. This man of God named Gabriel truly is a prophet of God. If we go through the trib I pray for courage and strength and faith to endure persecution. Just be ready no matter what happens brother. God bless you.

[@MisterN0b0dy]

@@lionandthelamb2907 the purpose of the tribulation is God returning His focus on His ancient people, Israel. It has nothing to do with the church, the bride of Christ. If it did, it would make God a wife beater. In order to properly understand the End-Times we need to keep in mind WHO is in focus. It’s not the church.

[@fredlemani]

You're the one who is being led by Holly Spirit in your bible studies. Those who don't believe in rapture they are twisting the scriptures. God be with you

[@petercraig899]

NEWS CONCERNING THE RAPTURE! The beheaded christians from revelation 20: 4-5 have gone through the great tribulation and take part in the first resurrection. In the rapture of 1 Thessalonians 4: 16-17 the dead in Christ will rise first,before the living will be caught up together with them. This means that the rapture can not be before the tribulation!

[@RaptureofSaints]

Amen Peter Preach it!

[@angelioforosaletheia8855]

Peter ... like all Post-Trib sinners. You are blind and ignorant to both God's Word AND His Character. 1) You INSERT that those who reject the mark are "christians." Stupid people are always adding and removing from Revelation ... as they do with every Scripture they touch, to their own damnation (as Peter said). There is neither "Christian" nor "Church" mentioned, AT ANY TIME, in the entire Book of Revelation during Tribulatoin on the earth! 2) It is an ANGEL who tells the inhabitants of the earth how to be saved. It is NOT the Church preaching! It is NOT the Holy Spirit convicting and calling men to repentance! It is an ANGEL doing the work of the Church and the Holy Spirit! Why? Because both the Holy Spirit AND the Church are GONE!! Worst, that angel says absolutely NOTHING about "Jesus" or "Repentance" or "believing the Gospel" or anything like that! So ... why do you foolish distorters lie so much as you insert and imagine all kinds of vain things, suggesting that these are "christians"? Cause you are blind, and lost, and you STAY distorting Scriptures, and none of you lying distorters will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. If BLINDNESS is the evidence of damnation, then DISTORTING SCRIPTURES is the seal! You Post-Tribbers are guilty of both!

[@bepreparedforwhatscoming4975]

@@angelioforosaletheia8855 I notice how you just copy/paste the same reply without ever reading the original comment..

[@staceykim3277]

There will always be persecutions and trials, but we are protected from God's wrath. Revelation 3:10 1 Thessalonians 5:9

[@2Thes22]

This is a correct teaching. The pre-tribulation rapture is an improper term which has led to much confusion. There are 2 periods in the Bible which are referred to times of tribulation: 1) the entire church age where Jesus says that all believers will experience tribulation (John 16:33) and 2: the 3 1/2 great tribulation referred to in Matthew 24 and Revelation. Many teachers assume that Daniel’s 70th week is the same as a 7 year tribulation period which is all considered the wrath of God. The Bible never makes this connection though I believe there is some overlap. I believe that the first 5 seals are tribulation but not the wrath of God which parallel Matthew 24. The sixth seal is the cosmic disturbances which signal the start of the wrath of God which echos Joel 2:31 “The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.” These cosmos disturbances are mentioned also in Matthew 24:29. Synchronizing these cosmic disturbances will help order the end times events.

[@larrybradshaw6804]

The truth will set you free. Inorder to decern the truth you must worship in the Spirit. The is no such thing as Pretrib rapture.

[@VC_Everett]

Great teaching

[@lionandthelamb2907]

PREACH IT BROTHER!!!

[@upperroomreloaded1431]

@@garvinsmith4555 Na, the no one knows doctrine is a lie of the Devil so that no one would truly watch for Yeshua at the Rapture. When Jesus said, "no one knows the day nor the hour" He was talking about His Second Coming not the Rapture. COUNTDOWN TO RAPTURE Full-blood-red-supermoon Phase - 26 Sep 2026 at 09:50 AM 3 Years 11 Months 16 Days 21 Hours 28 Minutes, Pacific time. Everyone who wants to know when the Rapture will take place can now know. Bruce Berman

[@michaelklaus3633]

@@garvinsmith4555 Are you kidding me or what? The Pre Trib folks are very suffering averse. When suffering really comes and persecution many will fall. It's in scripture. We all must be cleansing ourselves daily of all SIN.

[@dutchboy9273]

@@garvinsmith4555 Interesting take, but you missed on key issue. You may, most likely will, face eternity long before the Second Coming. The "Thief in the Night" COULD be the second coming but it is much more likely to be the Angel of Death. "And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment..." Hebrews 9:27.

[@freedomformelbourne884]

Yes i see this in scripture also, Shalom

[@bob-pr8ye]

So good.....so so good.

[@adrielthabah162]

Praise God

[@sudhanshupatra9985]

The word of God speaks clearly about the suffering of the church. But the 7 years tribulation is specifically called Jacob's Trouble

[@user-ye5bv6wn6o]

I love to listen to brother pooner and some others,but when theybteach from.the newctranslation,like romans 8=1, something is off,wrong,i search both,but like the old better

[@nikki4770]

Does anyone know of any sound biblical churches in Northern California?

[@davidcorrea4812]

Apostle Peter's 1st epistle chapter 4 verse 1 and chapter 1 verses 6 onwards.

[@ashleygovender4104]

Thank you. This is excellent. Durban, South Africa

[@Mike65809]

Always look at the context. No passage in context teaches a pre-trib rapture.

[@Kman.]

I spotted you just today was it(?) on another channel. The first five words of your post are correct, HOWEVER... ...e/thing after that is incorrect, just sayin'.

[@afzalali9531]

Hi Mike. Do you think The church which is the bride of Christ will have to endure his wrath when he gave his life for her. See Revelation 6:12-17. Just asking. Please view the following:-:Scriptural Evidence For A Pre-tribulation Rapture ; Assurance Of The Translation Of The Church At The Rapture and Jewish Marriage Customs Analogous To Jesus And The Church all authored by me. The Tribulation is the time of Jacob's ( Israel's) trouble, not the church. The church will be caught up as Enoch was before the flood Genesis 5:24; and Israel will be saved in the tribulation , just as Noah was saved in the flood. Genesis Ch's. 6-8. Romans 11:25-32. God bless.

[@Mike65809]

@@afzalali9531 Will his bride endure his wrath? No, not really. But here we are today amidst Covid 19 and have been here through all pandemics over the centuries. Many Christians died and many made sick. We have died in wars also. So Christians are not totally protected. However, there may be a solution. Psalm 91 does offer protection for those who dwell with God, under His shadow. This may happen in the judgments of Revelation. Also, it may very well be that the 144K is simply a symbol of the true church, spiritual Israel. They have the seal. Regarding pretrib passages, it's better to just let each passage be interpreted in context. What I see in pretribbers is a tendency to come to the text with a preconceived idea (pretrib rapture) and then make the text conform to that idea. No scripture in context actually teaches a pertrib rapture. Not one. Look carefully. It's an idea brought to the text from somewhere else. As for being kept safe in the tribulation, there is also the example of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego being saved while in the furnace. Hope that helps. Finally, I would not say the tribulation is only for the Jews. In fact, you may note that the Woman of Rev. 12 (supposedly Israel) is kept safe from the Beast for 3.5 years. The Beast reigns over the whole world and does not just deal with Israel. He persecutes the church. God bless.

[@Kman.]

Let me call your hand on that truth statement you made, Ok? Post up a passage of YOUR choosing...take the time to exegete it, and let me take a stab at a rebuttal :) EDIT = *With no reply from my initial comment to you a month ago, I highly doubt you'll accept the challenge*

[@Mike65809]

@@Kman. Well not sure what you saw somewhere else. But I'll say that Matt. 24 speaks about one return (or coming) of our Lord, not two. And that coming he says is "after the tribulation of those days..." So that is the timing our Lord says. That is the context. We can't splint Matt. 24 into two different comings. That would be to read into the text ideas from someplace else. But that is what many do. And many will say Matt. 24 only applies to the Jews. Well, then so does all of the Gospels, including all promises to his followers.

[@debbiepeterson6829]

Amen preach it.

[@MarkProffitt]

Fabulous explanation

[@angelioforosaletheia8855]

FACT #1 1 Thess 4 is {not} a "recapitulation" of 1 Cor 15 - at all. It is of *JOEL 3,* and JOEL 3 is about the end of times, the destruction of Islam, all in the time of the JEWISH PERSECUTION, and the time of the BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON where the {JEWS} finally cry out to God (their Messiah) and He hears their cry and comes to same them. In 1 Thess 4, Jesus descending with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, the sound of God, is *{exactly}* what JOEL 3 is talking about with "YAHWEH ROARS OUT OF ZION." He comes to save His people ISRAEL. This has never, ever, been about some Gentile religion. Ever. FACT #2 -Jeremiah's "Jacobs Trouble" -Daniel's 70th week -Joel 3 -Revelation -1 Thess 4 -Matthew 24 -etc Are ALL talking about the SAME EXACT AGE, and every single one of them are pointing to the 'trouble' that the CHILDREN OF JACOB (Israelites) will face. Not a single one of these passages talk about some Gentile 'Chrisitan Church.' Not a single one of them. FACT #3 Jesus told the *JEWS* (not the Church!) that THEY will never, ever see His face again, UNTIL they repent as a nation. So, who in the world do you think the SECOND COMING is for!? Clearly, the Second Coming will never even happen until the JEWS repent as a nation, and they will not repent until the time of Jacobs Trouble! FACT #4 What Christians call "Great Tribulation" is in fact what Jeremiah called "JACOB'S TROUBLE" ... and it is JACOB who will be delivered out of HIS trouble. No mention of some Gentile religion. Therefore, you are all wrong when you read what Jesus said. Jesus is literally recapping both Daniel and Jeremiah, for what He described as "Great Tribulation" is exactly the same as what Jeremiah already explained to be "Jacob's Trouble." FACT #5 Matthew 24 is a two-fold question. Anyone with even a highschool level of reading can see that Jesus' first answer is clearly Him addressing the Terminal Generation Church, giving signs to look for which lead up to the RAPTURE, which Jesus calls the "end." But Jesus continues to talk. Now, however, He has totally shifted His attention FROM the Church TO the JEWS! He mentions all things Jewish: -starts with Daniel, who wrote about what would befall his FELLOW ISRAELITES in the end -mentions the JEWISH Temple, even the Holy of Holies, of which you Gentiles have no part -mentions the JEWISH Sabbath, which is a sing between God and the descendants of Jacob, of which you Gentiles have no part (not even the Church enforced the Jewish Sabbath!) -says to FLEE JUDEA. Where in the world do you think Judea is located?? In New York!? -He mentions the JEWISH antichrist. -He mentions JACOB'S TROUBLE, which He calls "Great Tribulation." -finally, He mentions His SECOND COMING. So, it is painfully clear that: *Verses 4-17 is Jesus giving the Terminal Generation signs to look for which lead up to the RAPTURE ("end") Verses 18-31 is Jesus giving the Jews events that lead up to the SECOND COMING!* FACT #6 Moses made it clear that the Messiah would be a "prophet like unto me." Many unique things Moses and Jesus shares, but there are two things that these supposed "teachers" are always never seeing, and that's the fact that BOTH MOSES AND JESUS: -failed in their task -went to {ISRAEL} TWICE!! The Messiah was supposed to "fail" in His initial task. Isaiah 49 makes this painfully clear, just as Moses did NOT lead the people into the Promised Land, which was his entire mission. But Moses also went to Israel TWICE. He was rejected the first time. He left. He married a Gentile wife. He had 2 sons. The SECOND TIME Moses went to Israel, they embraced him. Who does that sound like? The first time Jesus went to Israel, they rejected Him. He left. He married a Gentile Wife (Christian Church). He is over 2 Covenants (Cornerstone, middle of the 24 Elders, middle of the old lady and young girl, etc). The SECOND TIME He comes, they will embrace Him, because THEY are calling out for Him! FACT #6 Paul made it very, very clear that the blindness of Israel must continue, UNTIL the full number of Gentiles are IN (Raptured)! FACT #7 Revelation is not about preparing the Church for the coming of the Messiah, but to prepare Israel for the coming of her King! There are many points I can make to show both God's Character and Word concerning the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. But disproving the Post-Trib position, exposing such horrible reading skill and blindness, is in itself, proof and evidence enough. MessengerOfTruth mal'ek emeth Angelioforos Aletheia

[@XRPXTREMELYRICHPEOPLE]

Zac teaches sound doctrine. Although I’ve noticed he hasn’t experienced falling out in the spirit and talks against this. I can testify that falling out under Gods anointing is real and it’s biblical. The day he does experience this he will believe Gods will be done in him he’s a good teacher. God bless yall

[@2Thes22]

There is a difference between tribulation and wrath of God. Saints will experience tribulation but not the wrath of God.

[@markanthony3275]

There is no difference...but there is a big difference between everyday small "t" tribulation and capital "T" Tribulation. Btw, right at the start of the Tribulation John describes the evildoers hiding in caves and mountains. What do THEY say they are hiding from? "The WRATH of the Lamb"...so even THEY know the seven years are all the WRATH of God, or the Tribulation.

[@2Thes22]

@@markanthony3275what is the Biblical basis for your statements?

[@suzanholland]

Amen!

[@jamesenslin8461]

Amen and Amen for the Holy Spirit is ever faithful unto the Truth.100% right, thats how the Holy Spirit showed me through the scriptures, that the church is going through the Great Tribulation.

[@albertj65]

Preach it brother.

[@angelioforosaletheia8855]

FACT #1 1 Thess 4 is {not} a "recapitulation" of 1 Cor 15 - at all. It is of *JOEL 3,* and JOEL 3 is about the end of times, the destruction of Islam, all in the time of the JEWISH PERSECUTION, and the time of the BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON where the {JEWS} finally cry out to God (their Messiah) and He hears their cry and comes to same them. In 1 Thess 4, Jesus descending with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, the sound of God, is *{exactly}* what JOEL 3 is talking about with "YAHWEH ROARS OUT OF ZION." He comes to save His people ISRAEL. This has never, ever, been about some Gentile religion. Ever. FACT #2 -Jeremiah's "Jacobs Trouble" -Daniel's 70th week -Joel 3 -Revelation -1 Thess 4 -Matthew 24 -etc Are ALL talking about the SAME EXACT AGE, and every single one of them are pointing to the 'trouble' that the CHILDREN OF JACOB (Israelites) will face. Not a single one of these passages talk about some Gentile 'Chrisitan Church.' Not a single one of them. FACT #3 Jesus told the *JEWS* (not the Church!) that THEY will never, ever see His face again, UNTIL they repent as a nation. So, who in the world do you think the SECOND COMING is for!? Clearly, the Second Coming will never even happen until the JEWS repent as a nation, and they will not repent until the time of Jacobs Trouble! FACT #4 What Christians call "Great Tribulation" is in fact what Jeremiah called "JACOB'S TROUBLE" ... and it is JACOB who will be delivered out of HIS trouble. No mention of some Gentile religion. Therefore, you are all wrong when you read what Jesus said. Jesus is literally recapping both Daniel and Jeremiah, for what He described as "Great Tribulation" is exactly the same as what Jeremiah already explained to be "Jacob's Trouble." FACT #5 Matthew 24 is a two-fold question. Anyone with even a highschool level of reading can see that Jesus' first answer is clearly Him addressing the Terminal Generation Church, giving signs to look for which lead up to the RAPTURE, which Jesus calls the "end." But Jesus continues to talk. Now, however, He has totally shifted His attention FROM the Church TO the JEWS! He mentions all things Jewish: -starts with Daniel, who wrote about what would befall his FELLOW ISRAELITES in the end -mentions the JEWISH Temple, even the Holy of Holies, of which you Gentiles have no part -mentions the JEWISH Sabbath, which is a sing between God and the descendants of Jacob, of which you Gentiles have no part (not even the Church enforced the Jewish Sabbath!) -says to FLEE JUDEA. Where in the world do you think Judea is located?? In New York!? -He mentions the JEWISH antichrist. -He mentions JACOB'S TROUBLE, which He calls "Great Tribulation." -finally, He mentions His SECOND COMING. So, it is painfully clear that: *Verses 4-17 is Jesus giving the Terminal Generation signs to look for which lead up to the RAPTURE ("end") Verses 18-31 is Jesus giving the Jews events that lead up to the SECOND COMING!* FACT #6 Moses made it clear that the Messiah would be a "prophet like unto me." Many unique things Moses and Jesus shares, but there are two things that these supposed "teachers" are always never seeing, and that's the fact that BOTH MOSES AND JESUS: -failed in their task -went to {ISRAEL} TWICE!! The Messiah was supposed to "fail" in His initial task. Isaiah 49 makes this painfully clear, just as Moses did NOT lead the people into the Promised Land, which was his entire mission. But Moses also went to Israel TWICE. He was rejected the first time. He left. He married a Gentile wife. He had 2 sons. The SECOND TIME Moses went to Israel, they embraced him. Who does that sound like? The first time Jesus went to Israel, they rejected Him. He left. He married a Gentile Wife (Christian Church). He is over 2 Covenants (Cornerstone, middle of the 24 Elders, middle of the old lady and young girl, etc). The SECOND TIME He comes, they will embrace Him, because THEY are calling out for Him! FACT #6 Paul made it very, very clear that the blindness of Israel must continue, UNTIL the full number of Gentiles are IN (Raptured)! FACT #7 Revelation is not about preparing the Church for the coming of the Messiah, but to prepare Israel for the coming of her King! There are many points I can make to show both God's Character and Word concerning the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. But disproving the Post-Trib position, exposing such horrible reading skill and blindness, is in itself, proof and evidence enough. MessengerOfTruth mal'ek emeth Angelioforos Aletheia

[@jamesenewold8864]

@@angelioforosaletheia8855 WORD OF GOD.... Eph. 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: 13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Eph. 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby: 17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh. 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. 19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; WORD OF GOD.... Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise The WORD OF GOD > man made 'facts' from twisted interpretations

[@danielkim9909]

Is the end of the world the shout of the archangel and the sound of trumpets

[@kjvnews8326]

For about 10 years I've studied this issue and couldn't make up my mind one way or another. But I now believe the bible teaches a pre-trib rapture. First of all, Pre-Tribs are often called "Escapists", which is ironic because Jesus said: Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. (Luke 21:36) Why would He tell us to pray to escape if there was no escape? But this is what finally convinced me from scripture that few people EVER even mention or talk about. The greatest proof for the pre-trib rapture is that the apostle John experienced the rapture himself in chapter four of the book of Revelation. In the first three chapters of the book, the church and churches are mentioned TWENTY times. But then In chapter four, a door is opened in heaven, John hears the sound of a trumpet, and a voice "COME UP HITHER', then IMMEDIATELY (In a moment in the twinkling of an eye), John is caught up and in the spirit. The apostle John was brought up into our present time and experienced the future rapture himself! Not only that, from chapter 4 through 19, it describes the tribulation and the words CHURCH, churches or Christians are NEVER mentioned again. Where are they? In the first 3 chapters the church is mentioned over and over again. But in the next 15 chapters (4-19), you can't find the words CHURCH churches or Christians mentioned ONCE! Why not? Where did the body of Christ go? Then in chapters 20 - 22 it describes the millennium, the new heaven, the new earth and eternity. In Revelation 4:1 & 2, you have ALL of the elements of the rapture that is described by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:49-52 & 1 Thess 4:15,16. - You have a voice. You have a trumpet. You have a calling up. And you have a change into a spiritual condition that occurs immediately - IN A MOMENT IN THE TWINKLING OF AN EYE! Not only that, in 1 Thess. 4:18 it reads: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. wherefore COMFORT ONE ANOTHER WITH THESE WORDS. But if there is no pre-trib rapture, Christians will possibly experience two world wars, the battle of Armageddon, a chance that we may take the mark of the beast & dozens of other horrors - Therefore, comfort one another with THESE words? Moreover, In Revelation 6:15,16 it reads: that EVERY bondman & EVERY freeman (which would include everyone on earth), hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains and said to the mountains and rocks “”FALL ON US AND HIDE US FROM THE FACE OF HIM THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE, AND FROM THE WRATH OF THE LAMB”” Aren’t we Christians supposed to look for the coming of our Lord Jesus with hope? Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ. (Titus 2:13) And then when we see his glorious appearance we’re going to hide from him and HOPE that the mountains and rocks crush us? What kind of hope is that? At the rapture Jesus arrives in the air (i Thess 4:16,17). At the end of the tribulation our LORD lands on the ground. (Joel 2; Isa, 2; Rev 5:10, 14, 19). The bible also says: He commeth WITH the ten thousands of His saints. (Jude 1:14). The raptured saints return with the LORD on white horses. Now I believe that there will be Tribulation saints; however, they will be Jews and gentiles whose salvation will be based on faith PLUS works, and how those gentiles treat God's people - the Jews. During the tribulation period, salvation will no longer be based on grace alone. For those that argue against the rapture quoting Mark 13, Luke 21 and Matthew 24, who was Jesus speaking to? He was talking to the Jews! There wasn’t one bible believing Christian in the bunch, NOT ONE! It is also not true that the Rapture was first taught by Darby, which many post-trib, post-millennium & A-millennium people claim, for in addition to both John and Paul writing about the Rapture, it was taught by many of the church fathers including Iraneus in 170 A.D. It was also taught by Ephraem the Syrian more than 1,500 years ago! He wrote: ‘For all the saints and the elect of God are gathered PRIOR to the tribulation that is to come and are taken to the LORD lest they see the confusion that is to overcome the world because of our sins.” That is a sixth century A.D. letter ascribed to Ephraem Syrus (A.D. 306 to 373) from a sermon on “The Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the world.”

[@pauldurand4780]

Blah blah blah. LAST TRUMPET. 1Cor 15 52. Rev 13 7 Rev 7 14 And the verse of Matt he just gave.: At Christ's return. IN RED LETTERS. Your fear of hunger , pain or death for the testimony of Jesus is soothed with comfy couch visions of cotton candy faith.

[@jennyyates8798]

KJVNEWS, It saddens me to find someone churning out the same tired old pre-trib arguments I've heard many times before. Let's start with Luke 21:36. First, you need to understand that, in the Olivet Discourse (Matt.24, Mark 13, Luke 21), Jesus was answering a double question. The disciples asked him, "When will this (the destruction of the temple) happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?" (Matt.24:1-3). At the time, the disciples thought the destruction of the temple would BE the end of the age! So, parts of Jesus' answer refer to the destruction of the temple, and parts to the end times, and it takes a bit of effort to work out what applies to which. Luke's account focuses mainly (though not exclusively) on the question of the temple. Jesus says, "When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains." (21:20-21). The Greek for 'flee' is 'feugo'. In v.36, he says, "Pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen." The Greek for 'escape' is 'ekfeugo' - literally 'flee out of/from'. In A.D.67, the Jews rebelled against the Romans, so the Roman armies surrounded Jerusalem and besieged it, just as Jesus said they would. However, when those armies were briefly called away, the Messianic believers remembered Jesus' words, and seized the chance to escape from (flee out of - 'ekfeugo') the city, and go over the River Jordan to Pella. When the armies returned, they destroyed the city and the temple, in A.D 70, slaughtering thousands of Jews. The believers' prayers were answered, and they escaped, but they still had to make the physical effort to flee; they weren't carried away supernaturally! Hence, that verse is nothing to do with a pre-trib 'rapture'. And note Jesus said, "that you may escape all that is ABOUT to happen", NOT what will happen in the far distant future. Rev.4:1-2 does NOT say John was 'raptured'; he was caught up to heaven only in spirt, not bodily, and he didn't stay there. Then, saying that the church is mentioned many times in Revelation chaps. 3 and 4, but not in those which describe the tribulation period, so it must have been removed, is a VERY weak argument from silence! The church is not specifically mentioned in 2 Timothy, Titus, 1 and 2 Peter, 2 John and Jude. Does that mean it wasn't here when those letters were written? Come to that, God himself is not mentioned in the book of Esther, so had he gone AWOL?! As for the word 'Christian', that's found only three times in the entire N.T., so its absence from Revelation is irrelevant. Just read Rev. 12:11, 17; 13:7, 10; 14:12-13; 17:6, 13-14; 18:4; 20:4. Faithful followers of Jesus, testifying, suffering and often dying for him, and you say the church is not here!?! Of course the church is here! If these amazing saints are not part of the church, then what are they? A false church? A second church? Will Jesus be a bigamist with two brides? There is simply no biblical justification for saying that the tribulation saints are Jews and Gentiles whose 'salvation will no longer be based on grace alone', but 'faith plus works'. The idea that, somehow, the age of grace will suddenly end seven years before Jesus returns is utter nonsense! You write: 'At the rapture Jesus arrives in the air (1Thess 4:16,17). At the end of the tribulation our LORD lands on the ground.' In this passage, Paul writes that still-living believers will be caught up to MEET Jesus in the air, but he does NOT say Jesus will whisk them off to heaven! He doesn't even mention heaven! Saying he does is 'eisegesis' - reading into Scripture what you want it to say, or have been taught it says, as opposed to 'exegesis' - taking out of Scripture what it actually says. The term Paul uses for 'to meet' was used of an official delegation going out of a city to meet a visiting king, or a conquering hero returning from a battle. They would welcome him, and escort him the rest of the way into the city. The king didn't take them all off back to where he came from! We do the same today. An official delegation goes to an airport to welcome a foreign president, and escort him to his hotel etc. THAT is what Paul means in 1 Thess.4. Jesus will return with the departed saints; the still-living saints will be caught up to meet him in the air, and escort him to the Mount of Olives. It's not about some imaginary 'rapture' of the church! The fact that one or two early church 'fathers' mooted the possibility of the church being removed before the tribulation, proves nothing. Church 'fathers' never got everything right, e.g. Marcion said the judgmental God of the O.T. was totally different from the loving God of the N.T., and he completely rejected the O.T. What matters is what the Bible actually teaches, which is NOT a pre-trib 'rapture. Please do not be deceived by clever but faulty arguments. Go to kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXjYqYZjfKmbg7c with an open heart, an open mind and an open Bible.

[@pauldurand4780]

@@jennyyates8798 l too am chagrined at the amazing feats of biblical balderdash these cotton candy comfy couch people will try and pull off from fear of actually maybe having to die for their testimony AND bad television/movie doctrine. It says LAST TRUMPET. AT HIS APPEARANCE. LAST. Not 1st 5th middle but last. these guys have got Jesus literally coming n going and coming again. Do the dead rise at the beginning or midtrib too? No. At the end, BEFORE everyone alive. AT Christ's return. But keep speaking out.since l started to correct them 30yrs ago many have changed their minds. And hearts. Rev 13-7 and Rev 7-13 make it abundantly clear the saints ,which means believers in Jesus, who ARE the church, *_will be overcome by the beast;_* some will be imprisoned or killed by the sword FOR NOT TAKING THE MARK. which as we know now, and John couldnt possibly, is technically possible to enforce the implantation of an RFID to access the world wide programmable crypto CBDCs to buy your food or make a living selling or die avoiding it. All run by the image of Ai. God bless and keep the faith. Even if death inconveniences your eternal life for a moment!

[@pauldurand4780]

@@jennyyates8798 l also think it will be part of the great falling away (unlike the great revival these same people keep on about). Like the man said, Jesus doesn't show up to save their sorry arses with a new car and a combo meal, are discouraged and fall out..

[@XRPXTREMELYRICHPEOPLE]

Well arnt you going to get a rude awakening when you realise you didn’t get raptured and chaos surrounds you. Good luck with that !!! We all used to believe pre trib but we got woke 10 years you say? Lol triple that for me til God opened my eyes that pre trib is false teaching. I was like you arguing pre trib was true with others 😂. I pray u also will look back after you discover the truth.

[@roblane5699]

Amen

[@user-ye5bv6wn6o]

Let no men deceive you,for that day shall not come,unless there be a falling away( apostasy) first And the men of sin be reveal,2 tesallonian 2=3,then read daniel 9=27, the 7 year treaty divided by two ,3 and a half( peace) 3 and a half( great tribulation)

[@billfromthe442ndtranscompa2]

You need to read St. Luke chapter 12. Notice this is the LORD coming back to the second and third watch. Notice the first watch is gone to the Wedding Super of the Lamb of God. Jesus comes back to those left behind, to wright His word in our hearts because the milk of the Word of God will not be enough, we’ll need the meat of the word of God!

[@victory4172]

So, explain how he's coming like a theif in the night 1 thessalonian 5:2 and coming in the clouds and every eye shall see his coming Rev 1:7? How is this one coming? Additionally, when he comes it will be like the days of Noah drinking, marrying, etc. That's not going to be happening during the tribulation. God works in patterns. Children of Israel,Noah, and Lot was all spared when God brought judgement.

[@user-pt2ub1rz8q]

It will

[@Michael_919]

The Great Tribulation is NOT 7 years. It's 3.5 And fwiw, the idea of a pre trib rapture did not originate only 100 years ago. Having said that, I feel convinced there will be no pre trib rapture. The scripture makes it clear enough.

[@obiomaajoku7233]

Nailed it

[@angelioforosaletheia8855]

FACT #1 1 Thess 4 is {not} a "recapitulation" of 1 Cor 15 - at all. It is of *JOEL 3,* and JOEL 3 is about the end of times, the destruction of Islam, all in the time of the JEWISH PERSECUTION, and the time of the BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON where the {JEWS} finally cry out to God (their Messiah) and He hears their cry and comes to same them. In 1 Thess 4, Jesus descending with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, the sound of God, is *{exactly}* what JOEL 3 is talking about with "YAHWEH ROARS OUT OF ZION." He comes to save His people ISRAEL. This has never, ever, been about some Gentile religion. Ever. FACT #2 -Jeremiah's "Jacobs Trouble" -Daniel's 70th week -Joel 3 -Revelation -1 Thess 4 -Matthew 24 -etc Are ALL talking about the SAME EXACT AGE, and every single one of them are pointing to the 'trouble' that the CHILDREN OF JACOB (Israelites) will face. Not a single one of these passages talk about some Gentile 'Chrisitan Church.' Not a single one of them. FACT #3 Jesus told the *JEWS* (not the Church!) that THEY will never, ever see His face again, UNTIL they repent as a nation. So, who in the world do you think the SECOND COMING is for!? Clearly, the Second Coming will never even happen until the JEWS repent as a nation, and they will not repent until the time of Jacobs Trouble! FACT #4 What Christians call "Great Tribulation" is in fact what Jeremiah called "JACOB'S TROUBLE" ... and it is JACOB who will be delivered out of HIS trouble. No mention of some Gentile religion. Therefore, you are all wrong when you read what Jesus said. Jesus is literally recapping both Daniel and Jeremiah, for what He described as "Great Tribulation" is exactly the same as what Jeremiah already explained to be "Jacob's Trouble." FACT #5 Matthew 24 is a two-fold question. Anyone with even a highschool level of reading can see that Jesus' first answer is clearly Him addressing the Terminal Generation Church, giving signs to look for which lead up to the RAPTURE, which Jesus calls the "end." But Jesus continues to talk. Now, however, He has totally shifted His attention FROM the Church TO the JEWS! He mentions all things Jewish: -starts with Daniel, who wrote about what would befall his FELLOW ISRAELITES in the end -mentions the JEWISH Temple, even the Holy of Holies, of which you Gentiles have no part -mentions the JEWISH Sabbath, which is a sing between God and the descendants of Jacob, of which you Gentiles have no part (not even the Church enforced the Jewish Sabbath!) -says to FLEE JUDEA. Where in the world do you think Judea is located?? In New York!? -He mentions the JEWISH antichrist. -He mentions JACOB'S TROUBLE, which He calls "Great Tribulation." -finally, He mentions His SECOND COMING. So, it is painfully clear that: *Verses 4-17 is Jesus giving the Terminal Generation signs to look for which lead up to the RAPTURE ("end") Verses 18-31 is Jesus giving the Jews events that lead up to the SECOND COMING!* FACT #6 Moses made it clear that the Messiah would be a "prophet like unto me." Many unique things Moses and Jesus shares, but there are two things that these supposed "teachers" are always never seeing, and that's the fact that BOTH MOSES AND JESUS: -failed in their task -went to {ISRAEL} TWICE!! The Messiah was supposed to "fail" in His initial task. Isaiah 49 makes this painfully clear, just as Moses did NOT lead the people into the Promised Land, which was his entire mission. But Moses also went to Israel TWICE. He was rejected the first time. He left. He married a Gentile wife. He had 2 sons. The SECOND TIME Moses went to Israel, they embraced him. Who does that sound like? The first time Jesus went to Israel, they rejected Him. He left. He married a Gentile Wife (Christian Church). He is over 2 Covenants (Cornerstone, middle of the 24 Elders, middle of the old lady and young girl, etc). The SECOND TIME He comes, they will embrace Him, because THEY are calling out for Him! FACT #6 Paul made it very, very clear that the blindness of Israel must continue, UNTIL the full number of Gentiles are IN (Raptured)! FACT #7 Revelation is not about preparing the Church for the coming of the Messiah, but to prepare Israel for the coming of her King! There are many points I can make to show both God's Character and Word concerning the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. But disproving the Post-Trib position, exposing such horrible reading skill and blindness, is in itself, proof and evidence enough. MessengerOfTruth mal'ek emeth Angelioforos Aletheia

[@yeshuasbeloved549]

Glory to God for this revelation from the Bible: Noah getting in the ark IS shadow of a pre tribulation rapture. God said it'll be fire next time. Just make sure you're in the True Ark, Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

[@GlitterGeek7]

Christians, including the disciples, went through great tribulation and death by persecution. Other countries the Christians did for following God. Why are we better than them? We are not. We must face the tribulation and possibly die for him.

[@nsapautu2598]

Revelation 2:11 "Fear nothing that you are about to suffer. [Dismiss your dread and your fears!] Behold, the devil is indeed about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested and proved and critically appraised, and for ten days you will have affliction. Be loyally faithful unto death [even if you must die for it], and I will give you the crown of life. ⓒ"

[@angelioforosaletheia8855]

The letters to the Church are NOT Tribulation Saints, silly. This part of Revelation is BEFORE Tribulation. In fact, those letter and the sealing of the 144,000 Jew males are teh only part of Revelation that PREDATE the Tribulation Period. smh

[@squirreljones3595]

Daniel 12 good and evil people wake together. Second Resurrection. Revelation 20 only the people who refused the Mark reign with Jesus. First Resurrection. 1 thessalonians 5 10 who died for us,that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him

[@TheBohemianAngels]

Finally seeing someone who actually gets it. I've been always having trouble when most evangelicals speak about the silent rapture and or rapture that we will taken out and not suffer anything. It is a set up for a complete disaster in their spiritual life because it will shaken one's spirit. I do believe that it occurs at minimum the mid, to the first 6 seals. God bless.

[@jsteele650]

Be encouraged! You're missing the best parts. The harvest of the crops is before his return. We are his body, and we will return with our Lord. The Lord does not want you to go down into the bed of tribulation. His bridal remnant will speak to warn the church and the world but will be rejected by all. The Lord warns his saints to let no man take thy crown. Mans doctrines will steal many crowns! The church has the opportunity to not go down into the tribulation period, but their doctrines are going to take them there. They should have had crowns, but now they are holding palm branches. Revelation 3:11 [11]Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Know this....if there is a LAST TRUMP, there is a FIRST TRUMP. If there is a HIGH CALLING, there is a LESSER CALLING. A remnant will be SEATED in the MIDST OF THE THRONE, wearing CROWNS. Other believers will be STANDING BEFORE THE THRONE, holding PALMS. There are 3 companies of believers that will be taken out of here by ranks before the middle of the week of tribulation. I hope you can hear the truth so you can depart with the first call at pretrib. The LORD DOES COME AFTER TRIBULATION, but what you can't see or you have never been taught.... WE COME WITH HIM. The whole church is already in heaven by the middle of tribulation, dear believer! I am going to show you some verses to give you a FULL VIEW, and maybe your eyes can receive spiritual understanding. Let's go! Matthew 24:28-31 [28]For wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together. The eagles are the FULL OVERCOMERS that departed into heaven at pretrib. These are the Philadelphian Eagle Saints that were kept out of the hour of temptation. Revelation 3:10 [10]Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. WHERE IS THE CARCASS AND WHO IS THE CARCASS?!?!? The answer is Jesus, and he is seated on his throne in heaven. Revelation 5:6 [6]And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a LAMB AS IT HAD BEEN SLAIN, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. The EAGLE SAINTS ARE FOUND IN THE MIDST OF THE THRONE WITH THEIR BRIDEGROOM, THEY ARE WITH THE LAMB WHO WAS SLAIN. NOW.....Let's talk about when these full overcomers eagle saints were caught up to heaven. The book of John represents the EAGLE. John is representing the full overcomers, the Philadelphia eagle saints. They were CAUGHT UP ALIVE through the open door, directly into the throne room, at pretrib, on the morning of the day of the Lord! Read the verse below, my friend. The FIRST VOICE IS THE FIRST TRUMP! The Lord shouts to John the eagle, "COME UP HERE!" Revelation 4:1-2 [1]After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the FIRST VOICE which I heard was as it were of a TRUMPET (((THE FIRST TRUMPET CALL))) talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. [2]And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. OK, as I have proved through scripture that it is there. The eagles are already in the midst of the throne before we get to the next verse. [29]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [30]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. ****In verse 31, his elect are gathered FROM HEAVEN, not the earth.**** Furthermore, the verses used in 2 Thessalonians are scriptures to comfort those believers left behind. I Thessalonians was written to those believers who laid hold of the high and heavenly bridal call.

[@sudhanshupatra9985]

Mathew 24 speaks of Jacob's Trouble tribulation and 1 Thessalonian is not the same

[@eileenvesosky8468]

I Corinthians 15:23 tells you every man in his order. This passage of scripture mentions three translations. 1). Christ and the firstfruits. Are you forgetting those that were taken up with Christ? 2). Afterward they that are Christs at his coming. That is us the church his body and finally 3). Then they at the end when the kingdom is delivered up. This is one place that teaches not one but two pre trib raptures. This verse is crystal clear unless you reject the scriptures as your final authority.

[@billfromthe442ndtranscompa2]

One small question? Why does St. Luke in chapter 12 show Jesus coming back from the Wedding Super of the lamb of God, to the second and third watches, telling them to watch? Notice the first watch is missing and went to the Wedding Super of the Lamb of God! Jesus just as before, will come back, to write the meat of the Word of God in our hearts, as the milk of the word of God, won’t be enough during the tribulation! Love in Christ Jesus, Bill

[@user-pt2ub1rz8q]

The wedding supper occurs on the Earth. The bride is Israel

[@lukiuschristi9842]

Church means body of Christ What about those believers who already died in past since the time of Pentecost ? Means only those believers who all are alive will go through tribulation. is it so?

[@downonafarm177]

The clouds are those. A cloud of witnesses, chk the Strongs Concordance. So clear.

[@paulryan5984]

Lukius; None of the church goes through any of the 7 years time of Jacob's trouble. The time of Jacob's trouble is about Israel Not the church.

[@sohanmarko6850]

Tribulation and persecution is different not similar

[@Joel-dl1mx]

“Tribulation” is THLIPSIS in Greek which can also be translated: affliction, anguish, pressure and PERSECUTION. It is the cause for seed sown on stony soil to wither (Mat13:21). Many will fall away (Mat24:9-10) because of “the great persecution” Jesus foretold in Matthew 24:21. If we weren’t so caught up on equating “the tribulation” to Daniel’s 70th week and Jacob’s trouble then trying to make sense of the sequence of the end time events, we could recognize that the church will be, as she has always been, persecuted by the world as Jesus had taught the disciples (John16:33). The 5th seal in Revelation reveals that persecution. “IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE PERSECUTION OF THOSE DAYS, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS’ LIGHT…” , the 6th seal reveals signs in the sun, moon and the stars that precede His coming and our gathering to Him.

[@rickysikes1631]

The church has always suffered tribulation since the beginning. Read “Foxe’s Book of Martyrs “, read church history. There never was a time free of tribulation. The world hates Christ and Those who wear His name. Persecution around the world has grown exponentially since this pandemic. The only thing all the governments of the world agree upon is that they hate Christ,even our government. All governments become the beasts of prophecy. The cross we are to carry is the persecution which comes to us for the name of Jesus which we wear.

[@markdiblasi7871]

There is a difference between the wrath of man and the wrath of God.

[@rogerfeliciano179]

Are you saying that the innocent children will also have to suffer during the tribulation period?

[@theblackschwab3561]

Matthew 24:19-21 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

[@Shnaggles]

New to your channel and also from India ( only living in Germany) subscribed.

[@miguelsalinas5273]

We have been going thru the tribulation since you were all born..wake up!!

[@eyewitness6485]

I too always heard pre trib but scripture does not say that. I now believe it is after the dead in Christ including the two witnesses and looks to me like that's sometime before the 7th seal.

[@billfromthe442ndtranscompa2]

On the 33 day of a forty day, water fast, God took me to Heaven and I danced with an innumerable number of believers dancing and sing before the LORD and these was so much Joy and as we danced, you could look out of Jesus’s eyes, seeing as He sees, because we are One in Them! Why did Jesus say, watch, for you don’t know the day nor the hour, of the LORDS return! With the LORD a day is as a thousand years and a year is as a day, to the LORD. Wouldn’t it be fitting that. The day of the LORD is a thousand years! Anyone taken to Heaven during those years will be saved. Everyone that doesn’t go in the first Resurrection will have to go in the second, which is the resurrection of the damned!

[@jameswood7689]

We are all sinners christ knows that that's y he spilt his precious blood for us

[@Thomas_1303]

Speak for yourself brother! Not everyone is a sinner! We all have sinned(past) but Jesus Christ cleansed our sins now we should live holy. He came to free us from our sin. Don’t follow the satanic doctrine which says “we can’t stop sinning until we die” That’s not biblical that’s from the devil. Read the bible. Hebrews 10:26 “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,” We can do all things through Christ, who strengthens us. If(see if) we sin we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. But you can’t abuse his mercy by keep on sinning. You should repent(turn away from it) when you sin. God bless you!

[@jameswood7689]

@@Thomas_1303 i never said i follow the doctrine thst says we can carrie on sining i said we are all sinner and christ died for us and split his precious blood for us . He took all of our sin upon himself being blamless and sinless himself he became sin for us and sacrificed himself . We are to love christ and obey the law .

[@Thomas_1303]

Oh! I’m sorry if I misunderstood you you. But the statement “we all are sinners” is a present tense so i thought you were defending the false doctrine. Instead say “we all have sinned that is why Jesus spilled his blood for us.” May God bless you with strength and knowledge to fight against your temptations.

[@jameswood7689]

@@Thomas_1303 yea my gramer is terrible may christ bless u and keep u brother

[@uriaisNa4889]

So in the same following words says. " All the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the son of man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. So while rapture will all the nations see the man of God in clouds?

[@amydcruz4464]

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[@Kman.]

No they won't. The *RAPTURE* will be a _"twinkling of an eye"_ moment as noted in *I Cor **15:52* The 2nd COMING however (a separate event), will unfold over a period of time, and "every eye shall see him" as is described in *Matt 24* where there will be earthquakes, lightning, the sun refusing to shine, falling meteors/stars, etc...

[@angelioforosaletheia8855]

@@Kman. exactly right. And if you re-read Matthew 24, you can literally see BOTH. This is why Post-Tribbers are blind. They first don't understand the question, and then they don't see Jesus giving TWO ANSWERS. Matthew 24 is a two-fold question. Anyone with even a highschool level of reading can see that Jesus' first answer is clearly Him addressing the Terminal Generation Church, giving signs to look for which lead up to the RAPTURE, which Jesus calls the "end." But Jesus continues to talk. However, He has totally shifted His attention FROM the Church TO the JEWS who are left behind! He mentions all things Jewish: -starts with Daniel, who wrote about what would befall his FELLOW ISRAELITES in the end -mentions the JEWISH Temple, even the Holy of Holies, of which you Gentiles have no part -mentions the JEWISH Sabbath, which is a sing between God and the descendants of Jacob, of which you Gentiles have no part (not even the Church enforced the Jewish Sabbath!) -says to FLEE JUDEA. -He mentions the JEWISH antichrist. -He mentions JACOB'S TROUBLE, which He calls "Great Tribulation." -finally, He mentions His SECOND COMING. So, it is painfully clear that: Verses 4-17 is Jesus giving the Terminal Generation signs to look for which lead up to the RAPTURE ("end") Verses 18-31 is Jesus giving the Jews events that lead up to the SECOND COMING! *Not only do they totally butcher Matthew 24, and NONE of them have been shown the error of their delusion, which suggests to me that God is KEEPING THEM ALL BLIND for thier sin and offense agaisnt His very Character, and for distorting His Holy Word, but they also totally butcher 1 Thess 4.* 1 Thess 4 is {not} a "recapitulation" of 1 Cor 15 - at all. It is of *JOEL 3,* and JOEL 3 is about the end of times, the destruction of Islam, all in the time of the JEWISH PERSECUTION, and the time of the BATTLE OF ARMAGEDDON where the {JEWS} finally cry out to God (their Messiah), at which time He hears their cry and comes to save them. In 1 Thess 4, Jesus descending with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, the sound of God, is *{exactly}* what JOEL 3 is talking about with "YAHWEH ROARS OUT OF ZION." He comes to save His people ISRAEL. This has never, ever, been about some Gentile religion. Ever. -Jeremiah's "Jacobs Trouble" -Daniel's 70th week -Joel 3 -Revelation -1 Thess 4 -Matthew 24 -etc Are ALL talking about the SAME EXACT AGE, and every single one of them are pointing to the 'trouble' that the CHILDREN OF JACOB (Israelites) will face. Not a single one of these passages talk about some Gentile 'Christian Church.' Not a single one of them. *Post-Tribbers are blind, and sinful, and they refuse to repent of their offense against God, OR for horribly distorting His Word as is this is some game, or taken lightly by God! He is not amused! Their BLINDNESS is the evidence of their pending damnation!* MessengerOfTruth mal'ek emeth Angelioforos Aletheia

[@bepreparedforwhatscoming4975]

@@angelioforosaletheia8855 we will be removed before the FINAL HOUR but not before the 7 YEARS of tribulation Mikayla Kooper made a VERY detailed video video on this subject. Please watch and let me know what you think. I’d love to help

[@bepreparedforwhatscoming4975]

@@angelioforosaletheia8855 how do you explain Matthew 24:13 if you’re taken out BEFORE you had a chance to prove yourself? I’m trying to help to you to prepare! You must’ve skipped over revelation where it talked about the “great falling away” and the “great deception” BEFORE the Mark OTB and BEFORE the FINAL HOUR (that we will be saved from)

[@ericmckenna4793]

By the way you keep referring to Thessalonians and it was referred to them not to us living today. The problem with most people is when they translate the Bible they always decipher it in terms of the reader not in terms of the actual narrative or the speaker

[@jimalexander687]

I've been taught rapture theology for at least 50 years, and from the start, I saw it wasn't biblical. I chose rarely to debate it as I have nothing to lose if I'm wrong, contrary to what those who believe in a pre-trib rapture will experience if they're wrong (including, but not limited to, not recognizing the anti-Christ because they are under the assumption they will not be here when he's revealed). There were several points which clearly screamed out at me from Scriptures, a few of which include: "You": To whom is Jesus speaking throughout the 24th chapter of Matthew (as well as the parallel account in Mark 13 and similar passages in Luke 17 & 21)? The Lord is speaking to His disciples -- i.e. believers. Bearing that in mind, note that the Lord uses the word “you” numerous times throughout this discourse -- at least eleven times directly (verses 4, 9[2], 20, 23, 25, 26, 33, 34, 44, 47), and a few times indirectly just in the Matthew passages alone. The Lord speaks of “you” (believers) being delivered up to tribulation, “you” (believers) seeing the abomination of desolation, anyone saying to “you” (believers) that ‘Here is the Christ!’, etc. Likewise, in Mark 13:29: “…when you see these things happening…” Such would imply that believers will be present throughout, as the events described unfold. The elect: Of course, it was Matthew 24:15-22 which first made me think that I was being led astray by well-meaning, albeit biblically incorrect individuals about a rapture. The "elect" (eklektos) (Matt.24:22 -- for whose sake those days will be cut short) is used only 22 (23) times in the whole of the New Testament. In seven instances, the word is utilized in reference to this End Times prophecy. In all but four instances where this word is used in the New Testament it is always a reference to believers. The four exceptions are: I Tim. 5:21 (where it refers to “elect“ angels), and three references to Christ (Lk. 23:35, I Pet. 2:4, 6). As such, it should be ascertained from its use above (as well as in the subsequent End Times passages), that the elect (i.e. believers) are present on earth during the end times tribulation. Making war against the saints: (Dan. 7:21, 25; Rev. 13:7) It would again appear that the saints (a.k.a. elect) must still be on earth during these times in order to be persecuted. The coming of the Son of Man: The Greek phrase used for the coming of the Son of Man appears thrice in this discourse (verses 27, 37 and 39). In all three instances, the Greek is identical. (The phrasing is different in verse 30, as well as the accounts of both Mark 13:26 and Luke 21:27, which utilizes a different word: erchomai.) This would seem to indicate that the events described herein (the days of Noah) should be placed chronologically within the time-frame of the events depicted in proximity of verse 27's coming of the Son of Man. (see also Lk. 17: 26-27) The Lord referred to one "coming of the Son of Man" -- not two, or three or more. A great trumpet / the last trumpet: While there are seven trumpets mentioned in the 8th through 11th chapters of Revelation, I will omit discussion of the first six (Revelation 8:1 through 11:14), as these are not alluded to in the Lord‘s discourse from Matthew 24. However, given that the first six trumpets follow the previous cosmic occurrences (Rev. 6:12-14), but precede the seventh (or last ) trumpet (Rev. 11:15, I Cor. 15:51-52, I Thes. 4:15-17), it may be assumed that the events described from Revelation 8:1 through 11:14 occur between the cosmic occurrences (Matthew 24:29) and the sounding of the trumpet to gather His elect (Matthew 24:30). It is advantageous to note at this point that all of the events of the subsequent passages follow the aforementioned, great, end times tribulation (verse 21), but precede the coming of the Son of Man on the clouds to gather His elect (verse 31), i.e. the gathering of the elect follows the great tribulation; it does not precede it (as should also be noted by the phrase which begins verse 29: Immediately after the tribulation of those days... then). The great multitude: The great multitude referenced in Rev. 7:9-10 (and again in verses 13 and 14) is not to be confused with the 144,000 previously mentioned (verses 3-8). Those previously mentioned (verses 3-8) are specifically designated as those numbered from among the sons of Israel. The great multitude mentioned in verses 9-10, 13-14 are specifically designated as those from among every nation -- Gentiles.

[@sajisusan3780]

What is Daniel's 70 Week Prophecy?

[@chrisa.9977]

What denominations believe in a post tribulation rapture?

[@Pre-Tribulation]

False denominations. This isn't taught by Paul

[@theblackschwab3561]

​@@Pre-Tribulationlol. You're lost buddy

[@matthewstott1661]

Please consider these words of Christ carefully: Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the 《DAY》 when the Son of man is revealed. 31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. Do you think that if the LORD was returning at the Last Trumpet in the passage framed above, that anyone at all would be thinking about their stuff in the house? They surely would not. But consider this, that the Elect are sealed IMMEDIATELY prior to the First Trumpet Judgment which Judgment also consists of fire falling from heaven. Even LIKEWISE as in the days of Lot who FLED to the mountain (for he forsook Zoar for fear). Therefore the Lot narrative of fleeing Sodom the same day fire falls is a very close similitude to the rescue of God’s elect immediately prior to the Trumpet Judgments at the manifestation of the abomination of desolation. God tells us that He shall bring His people out of ALL NATIONS back to the MOUNTAINS AND HIGH MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL in Ezekiel 34"11-16 and Ezekiel 20:33-40. This is NOT the resurrection for we are not taught to remember Enoch. REMEMBER LOT'S WIFE. 2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one 《DAY》is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The pre Trumpet Judgments deliverance is not the Rapture of Thessalonians at the resurrection but is rather upon Eagles Wings unto the MOUNTAINS AND HIGH MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL. Do anyone think that Great Tribulation shall be business as usual as in prior to the flood or prior to Sodom's destruction?! It emphatically shall NOT! The Great Tribulation is the very PARALLEL to the flood and the destruction of Sodom. "Watch ye therefore and pray always, that ye might be accounted worthy to escape all these things...."

[@johnnyash7337]

Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Psa 81:3 Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day. The rapture can occur on a new moon or a full moon (Prov 7:20) in a Jubilee year (Lev 25).

[@koz449]

I've only heard of the pretribe rapture in the last 8 years. All the years before that never heard anything about it. Thought it was odd when people started talking about it. My grandparents, my parents all Bible believing Christians never said a word about it. I know my mom would have

[@bd5son]

Book of Ruth 8th book in the bible telling us what will be happen to the church

[@kidoiarts4843]

"But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man." (Luke 21:34-36 NKJV) Keywords: "counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass". The things Jesus is talking about are the woes of the tribulation that he just addressed in the verses 20-28 before this passage. At the end of these things (tribulation) Jesus says in vs 27 that "they" will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Hallelujah! Why did he say "THEY" and not "YOU"? Because we (believers) are not in the tribulation. We left seven years earlier and now we are coming back with him (Rev. 19:14) at the end of the tribulation. We watched and prayed, therefore we were counted worthy to escape these things at the beginning of the tribulation. We were raptured. Dear brethren, WATCH AND PRAY, so that you may be counted WORTHY TO STAND before our Lord Jesus Christ and to escape the tribulation! Should believers witness the tribulation, probably only the beginning. Biblical proof: In Revelations 7:9-17, after the sixth seal, John sees a great multitude in heaven and in vs 14 he is told who they are. I'll quote just 9 and 14. "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;... And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." (Revelation 7:9,14 KJV) If they were raptured after the sixth seal, then they were spared from a great deal of tribulation recorded in the rest of the book of Revelation. So believers are not going through the tribulation, at least not entirely. They are not even raptured mid-trib. It's at the onset!

[@fredlemani]

This pastor didn't learn from holly Spirit all the entire 50 years rapture is biblical but if you're using English version youcan't see the word "Rapture ", all those who are holding this please depend on holly Spirit when reading the bible. The true believers are waiting for Jesus Christ and not Antchrist. There are many verses describe rapture of the church.

[@eliphasphiri4090]

The Christians have already won India, Jesus defeated the devil even when the situation looks hopeless,

[@jennob1333]

The popular belief that the LORD JESUS will secretly rapture the church, then take the church to heaven for seven years while the earth is experiencing the seven years of great tribulation, then return to earth with the church, has no Biblical basis. I believe in the Pre-tribulation rapture for a long time until I read the Scriptures. There is no Biblical basis for this belief.

[@rickhuntling7338]

You obviously didn't read Isa. 26:19-21 Pre Trib harpazo. In harmony with Jn. 14:1-4, Rev. 6:11, 12:5.

[@garvinsmith4555]

You should keep believing because that body you're living in right now can't survive the tribulation. The body is weak, and it makes us prone to sin. Right now, it is hard to keep the old man under subjecting because of the temptations of the Devil who hasn't yet been given the freedom to reign. What are your chances of survival in this sinful body when he does have that freedom do you know? Are you still going to be able to resist temptation? How much power are you going to have over the flesh? What would the battle between the spirit and the flesh be like when the spirits the Bible speaks of were released on the earth? Let's be real! The only way we are going to survive the tribulation is if the corruptable takes on the incorruptible, and mortality take on immortality. We need to stop downplaying the severity of the tribulation and begin to believe in our hearts that the severity of the tribulation is way beyond anything we can ever imagine.

[@rickhuntling7338]

@jen nob Jude 14 and Zech. 14:5 says HE brings HIS Saints with HIM. We call these two verses Biblical basis, what do you call them?

[@rickhuntling7338]

@@garvinsmith4555 1st. Thess. 5:9 "for GOD hath not appointed us to wrath.

[@sittlahaze4499]

It is first important that we distinguish between the rapture and the appearance: The Lord will rapture believers to Himself in heaven (John 14:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 4:17; 2 Thessalonians 2:1), and after that to appear with them on earth in power and glory (1 Thessalonians 3:13; 4:14; Jud 14; Zec 14:4,5). If we can clearly see this difference, it will be easier to understand the other considerations. Christians wait daily for the Lord to return and cry out, "Come, Lord Jesus!" (Luke 12:36; Rev 22:20). This call would not make sense if we had to experience the tribulation first. Christians are waiting for Christ - and not for the tribulation associated with the revelation of the Antichrist! When the rapture is described, the tribulation is not mentioned (John 14:1-3; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17) and only encouragement is spoken of. Apparently the rapture is a stand-alone event that we can look forward to with unalloyed joy. If we had to experience the tribulation, shouldn't we hope to sleep in peace before then? Wouldn't the joy of the rapture inevitably mix with fear of the tribulations?

[@qawii3]

Mathew 24:29,30 "After the tribulation of those days" .....

[@Logic807]

Study yourself, and you will know it is the last trumpet. How clear can that be?

[@garvinsmith4555]

To all of my brothers and sisters in the lord who believe that the lord is going to carry us through the tribulation period, I have a question for you all. since we are living in this mortal sinful body that makes us prone to sin right now, how is the Lord going to carry us through the tribulation period? I mean, when he who letteth is taken out of the way and the Devil has free reign, how much power are we going to have over the flesh? Right now some of us can't even keep the old man in check. What will the battle between the spirit and the flesh be like after those Evil spirits the Bible spoke of have been released on the earth? Will we be able to resist temptation then after that, we have surrendered to the flesh? We must understand that when the spirit of God leaves literally, all hell is going to break loose. We must understand that as long as we are living in this body we will always be prone to sin, and the lord knows it hence the reason for the pre-tribulation rapture.

[@jeffmcbride6766]

I’m not really sure what you mean by living in the flesh. I’m not sure if I’m understanding exactly what your implying. Are you implying that we walk in the flesh as long as we are walking this earth. Because if that’s what you are saying then why are we instructed to walk in the spirit?

[@richardandrews9017]

You've given ZERO scripture references. Please add references to back your position, otherwise it comes across as your opinion only. It also makes it difficult to know how to respond. Thx

[@garvinsmith4555]

I'm referring to our mortal sinful bodies.

[@garvinsmith4555]

This mortal body that we're living in is sinful and weak, and it's what makes us prone to sin, and we do fall many times because of it. My question is, what guarantee do I have of ever getting up when I fall which will surely happen if I'm in this sinful and weak body during the tribulation? Zac poonen said that he had studied the Scriptures for fifty years and hadn't found one Scripture that taught a pre-tribulation rapture. Maybe he hadn't listened to Jesus enough. In Mathew 24 Jesus said that in the days leading up to the day of his judgment people will be eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage. But the days leading up to his second coming are not those days but will be days of Great tribulation. People won't be marrying and giving in marriage at such a time because there will be death and destruction all around. Jesus said unless those days be shortened not even the elect will be saved. It will also be a time of severe famine and drought such as the world has ever seen. The vast majority of people in the world will have nothing to eat or drink due to widespread food shortages. There's irrefutable proof that the days leading up to his second coming are not the days leading up to the day Of his judgment.

[@perryfam9845]

@@garvinsmith4555 stand firm til the end is your answer…he who endures til the end

[@markdiblasi7871]

He has not appointed us to wrath, Jacob s trouble. There are 2 ruptures , pre and post making every one correct.

[@jamesr4717]

Exactly. Jacob's trouble and tribulation from man are NOT the same thing and we were TOLD by Paul we will be spared THAT hour of trial

[@anettevanrooyen4039]

Sorry. I was student for more than 40 years not 4 years,

[@susanpeter1238]

When Jesus comes ppl wont be sitting around looking. The bible says it will be in a twinkling of an eye...a blink.

[@francesvincent793]

yes that is right

[@baijubalan5217]

The point is not whether the Christians will undergo persecution or not. The point is whether the rapture is imminent or not. If it is imminent we are and must look forward to meet the Lord and be prepared. If rapture is not imminent we must look for anti Christ and persecution and prepare to avoid it or endure it. Because believers of a particular nation has not faced persecution doesn't mean that what they taught are not biblical. Pre tribulational rapture is biblical. It doesn't mean that Christians will have no persecution before it. 7 year period has nothing to do with church. It has no connection to rapture.

[@user-pt2ub1rz8q]

It not biblical.

[@dfkuz]

I actually wrote a book that had the rapture in it but I have to recant it now. But there is something very important all Bible believers must understand in order to be in God's will for us today; and that is that there were no Gentiles like us in any of the churches in Acts and if we had asked to enter them, even Paul would have turned us away because he would have considered us to be unclean dogs. The Greeks were Gentiles, yes, but they were a special class of Gentiles that were the fulfillment of prophecy in the Old Testament, in that they were to provoke the Jews to jealousy (Romans 11:11 KJV) and if Israel had received her kingdom (and now she never will), the believing Greeks would have gone into it as Israel's servants. In order to be in the synagogues where Paul held his church meetings, the Greeks were ordered to obey Jewish ordinances by the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15. This is where the big difference between the Greeks and us Gentiles today lies; and because there are no "Greeks" provoking "Israel" (which no longer exists in the eyes of God so the modern nation is an imposter entity) and Israel will not receive a kingdom so there would not be a future in one for any Greeks, of the Acts Period or today; this means that all of the doctrine taught during Acts that was specifically for the Jews and Greeks at the time their kingdom was being offered cannot be applied to anyone alive today because those qualifying factors are no longer present! Whether 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 is a "rapture" or not (and it's not the rapture, of course; it's the failed second coming of Christ to the Acts believers that never took place due to not enough believers), this verse cannot be applied to the church today because we are neither Jews nor Greeks! It's way past time that the Christian church understood this and stopped using scripture - written for completely different people than those that exist today - to instruct the Christians of today! Israel forfeited her kingdom at Acts 28:28-31 and was permanently let go by God, who has canceled all of her prophecy; salvation was sent to a different group of Gentiles; and once the believing Jews and Greeks died off the scene, the description of the world in Colossians 3:11 KJV became the new operating procedure for preaching the gospel, which also changed from one that did include law and works to one that is a completely free gift with no conditions upon it except to simply passively receive it, Ephesians 2:8 & 9 KJV. The seal of the Holy Spirit guarantees the believer that their eternal life cannot be forfeited for any reason whatsoever, even gross sin or future unbelief: Ephesians 4:30; Colossians 1:14 KJV. It's so radical that preachers often add their own rules and threats to it but they are out of the will of God doing so because there are no commandments associated with this gospel of the free gift. A servant of Christ that adds warnings and rules to the gift of God is more out of the will of God than a harlot, truth be told! It's a fearful thing to preach against God's word and lead trusting church members to doubt their salvation because of something they might do or neglect to do after they've accepted the gift. Consider this as you being left without excuse, all you that add your own rules to the gift God so generously offers any takers today!

[@Mike-qt7jp]

The word "keep" in Revelation 3:10 is from the Greek word tereo which means to guard or protect by keeping the eye upon, it does NOT mean to remove. When Jesus is talking about the great tribulation in the Olivet discourse He mentions false messiahs, wars and rumors of wars, earthquakes and famines and says, YOU will be hated by all nations for my namesake and be handed over to the authorities to be beaten and tortured and even put to death, but the one who endures to the end will be saved. (notice this is NOT God's wrath, Jesus says 'you will be hated for my namesake.' These are believers, not the wicked that God will pour His wrath out on, that comes later) Jesus then gives a warning sign. Jesus after telling of all the terrible stuff coming says, "Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation as spoken of by Daniel...flee." That's the midpoint of Daniel's 70th week. So this indicates that the time of great tribulation doesn't actually start until the three and half year mark. The anti-christ doesn't break the treaty until the half-way point. Warning signs always come before the thing they are warning about. So, if Jesus when describing the great tribulation mentions false messiahs, wars and famines etc, and then gives the abomination of desolation as the warning sign, it means that the tribulation actually starts after the mid-point of Daniel's 70th week. Then Jesus says, ""Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days, the sun will be darkened and the moon not give its light." This is the sign that Joel 2:31 says, comes right before the Day of the Lord. So, if we put aside our pre-conceived ideas about a pre-trib rapture and really look at scripture, we find that the time of Great Tribulation starts at the midpoint of Daniel's 70th week, and then immediately after the tribulation the sun will be darkened and the moon not give its light and according Joel 2:31 then comes the Day of the Lord. I know, I too grew up (spiritually) on the Pre-trib Rapture, but look at scripture with an open mind. By the way, there is not a single verse in the entire Bible that says the Holy Spirit residing in the Church is the restrainer of the anti-christ. BUT, Jesus talking about the time of Great tribulation says, "...It'll be the worst time since the beginning of the world until then. Daniel 12:1 says there will come a time of trouble on Israel that will be the worst time since the beginning of nations until then. These two times have to be the same time because they completely overlap. AND Daniel says this time won't come until the Archangel Michael rises (or goes back to Heaven) and then that terrible time will come; Michael is the restrainer of the anti-christ, not the Holy Spirit in the raptured church.

[@angelgcastro1]

This man is confusing the second coming from the rapture! Doctrine is definitely skewed!

[@wjdyr6261]

When the 2 witnesses are called up that's the rapture or 1st resurrection of the dead in Christ 1st then we who are alive and remain. It's not about knowing the day or the hour but the event.

[@anettevanrooyen4039]

I've been a student nou for fourth plus years in the profecies due to my own in quissiveness, and interest... I've been all over the Western world listening to preachers and wise people.. I then concentrated more on what Jesus told his followers, there on the Mount of Olives and I studies Daniel And Book of Revelation in detail To be short... This is my conclusion and nobody's so-called wise understanding will influence me more than my own studies My conclusion...in very short. There WILL BE A 7 YEAR TRIB. IN THE MID THE ANTI CHRIST WILL TRY AND BE HOD AND IN THE LAST PART OF THE TRIB GODS WTSTH WILL POUR OUT ON ANTI CRIST AND UNBELIEVERS TILL ISRAEL IS ALLMOST WIPED. OUT. THEN THEY WILL CALL OUT TO THE REAL MESSIAH TO COME.... AND JESUS WILL APPEAR FOR ALL TO SEE AND SAVE THIS REMNANT.. HE WILL COME WITH THE BELIEVERS WHO. WE'RE RAPTURED BEFORE (OR SOMETIME BEFORE THE MID TRIB.... BUT BEFORE) GODS WRATH ON UNBELIEVRRS JESUS PROMISED YHST HE WILL COME TO TAKE BELIEVERS TO HIS FATHER'S HOUSE.. AND HE WILL DO SO..The wrath of God will not strike Christians .... Only Anti Christ will try and kill all those who stay behind after wraoture and many will turn to God and not receive the 666 mark. THEY DIE AS MARTARS UNDER ANTI CHRIST S, ARMYS Jesus is coming soon.. If you believe in him you will escape all these horrible things under ANTI CHRIST. BLESS YOU AND ONLY BELIEVE... 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@pauldurand4780]

Wrong as your spelling. Last trumpet. Not 1s 3rd 7th. Last. Upon His return. chapter n verse. Matt 24: 21-30 ; 1Cor 15:29 ; Rev 13: 7 ; Rev 7:13. And others. They always use Thes without the other scriptures. 1Cor 15: 29 specifically states AT THE LAST TRUMPET. Not 1st or 5th- LAST UPON His return. Sorry, no secret wedding feast with cotton candy on a comfy couch while the world burns. No back n forth. Not "left behind?"(why would anyone choose to be left behind? That's just dum )Just the patient imprisoned saints waiting to be beheaded for the testimony of Jesus. If you won't believe chapter n verse. Matt 24: 21-30 ; 1Cor 15:29 ; Rev 13: 7 ; Rev 7:13. And others. They always use Thes without the other scriptures. 1Cor specifically states AT THE LAST TRUMPET. Not 1st or 5th- LAST UPON His return. Sorry, no secret wedding feast while the world burns. No back n forth. Just the patient imprisoned waiting to be beheaded for the testimony of Jesus.

[@jonathanhall7815]

Questions - 2Thess 2 :1-12 Who is the restrainer who is removed before the man of destruction is revealed, and how will the restrainer be removed ? (The man of destruction will be destroyed by Christ when He returns.) Persecution is not the same as the tribulation and the church has always suffered some form of persecution throughout history. 1Thess 5:9 also states that we are not appointed unto wrath. God's wrath is poured out in Rev 16:18. I find it hard to believe that the true church will have to endure this. Remember the Israelites were protected from God's wrath on Egypt when the Pharoah stubbornly refused to let them go.

[@squirreljones3595]

Daniel 12 good and evil people wake together. Second Resurrection. Revelation 20 only the people who refused the Mark reign with Jesus. First Resurrection

[@abundantharmony]

The one who restrains is the only one who can restrain. It's the Holy Spirit. Also, Satan will only be restrained during those 1,000 years. This doesn't mean evil does not exist. Evil exists out the gates of the great city, New Jerusalem. Afterward Satan is let loose for the final battle.

[@JaneSmith0709]

Best online pastor!

[@1stunna91]

How can anyone watch this video and still believe in a pre tribulation rapture? All I can do is shake my head. Seriously

[@heightsgolan8742]

"I could not find one verse that taught pretrib rapture" ...Oh yeah, there are at least 5 or more. However, there is not a single verse that says the rapture is postrib.

[@joeyamos7829]

I wish that we would get raptured before the tribulations as mentioned in the bible. But this is not the case as man teaches to a church that wants to hear a candy-coated Word of God. No wonder Jesus also taught in parables as it confused the so called wise. Rev 7 1-17 is quite specific as this is the revelation to John from Jesus himself. John was asked by the Elder in heaven as to who are the people clothed in white. He responded by saying, you know. Rev 7: 9-14 A Great Multitude from Every Nation 9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11 And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen.” 13 Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?” 14 I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white min the blood of the Lamb. This scripture is very clear on who came out of the tribulations. Secondly, Jesus is the advocate, the teacher and He said the following in Matthew 24: The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times 24 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.” 3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?” 4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains. 9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. 15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel-let the reader understand- 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now-and never to be equaled again. 22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time. I will trust Jesus's words anytime over man.

[@willpower6720]

The church goes through the tribulation. We will not experience Gods wrath just like Israel did not experience Gods wrath when He punished Egypt. Any other position other than a posttrib rapture twists and distorts Gods Word. Matthew 24:29-31 The Glorious Return “But immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days……..And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, ………….And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. --- Jesus Himself says that He is coming back for His church AFTER the tribulation. How can it get ANY CLEARER????

[@kirkbarnett5143]

I love reading the comments on both sides, but I’m confused about one issue that nobody has addressed (as far as I can tell): if it is a post-trib rapture, than how could Jesus come as a thief in the night? Most Christians everywhere would surely know that they were going through the Great Tribulation while the world was being devastated by natural disasters, famine, and pestilence unlike the world had ever seen. They would also surely know that the mark of the beast system was in full effect. So then how would Jesus’ return be a surprise… like a thief in the night? Someone please explain. Thank you!

[@qwerty-so6ml]

The tribulation is divided into two parts (see Revelation 14): harvest and wrath The two witnesses have 1260 days for harvest. Though the two witnesses die in Jerusalem, they stand against the ELOHIM (angels) of this world. The goal is to harvest those reconciled fallen angels. The goal of Satan during that harvest time is to remove all the sheep, so the world is only goats. Only one Gospel: The Gospel of Reconciliation. Jesus Christ came into THEIR kingdom to reconcile fallen angels unto Himself. We are the fallen angels kept in DNA chains of darkness. If you do not confess being a fallen angel in Lucifer's kingdom, then you are an unbeliever. Unbeliever = those that claim to be made in the image of God.

[@markanthony3275]

There is NO post Trib rapture. In Revelation, God makes it clear in four places that NO Christians will survive the Tribulation and the antichrist...so there will be no one who "is alive and remains" as Paul wrote in Thessalonians ( because Paul is talking about a pre-trib rapture in that passage). Rev 6:11 "They were told to wait a little longer until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be KILLED as they had been , was completed." Rev 7: 14-16 " These are they who have come out of the Great Tribulation, they will no longer hunger or thirst ...or be scorched by the heat." * They are seen in heaven...so they died on earth. Rev 13:7 " He was given power to make war with the saints and OVERCOME them." Rev 13:15 "He was given power to give breath to the image so it could even speak and cause all who refused to worship the beast or take his name or number, to be KILLED." This preacher doesn't know what he's talking about.

[@kernelcarbine9562]

ALL I KNOW IS IM READY FOR BOTH AND I'LL KEEP MY EYES ON HIM ALONE!!

[@picturesin3609]

You have enough food & water for you & your loved once to go through the Tribulation? I have my doubts.

[@kernelcarbine9562]

@@picturesin3609 have your doubts then

[@jitwttatl]

​@@picturesin3609 We will trust in God !

[@picturesin3609]

@@jitwttatl As in the days of Noah, God is telling you, you are going through the Tribulation. Prepare for it or lose your salvation.

[@Bobba7438]

From the New Living Translation: Luke 17:26 "WHEN THE SON OF MAN RETURNS the world will be like the people were in Noah's day. 27: In those days BEFORE the flood, people enjoyed banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat and the flood came to destroy them all. 28: And the world will be as it was in days of Lot. People went about their daily business---eating and drinking, buying and selling, farming and building--29: Until the morning Lot left Sodom. Then fire and burning sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all. 30: Yes, it will be 'business as usual' right up to the hour when the SON OF MAN RETURNS. 34: That night two people will be asleep in one bed, one will be taken away and the other will be left. 35: Two women will be grinding flour together at the mill, one will be taken, the other left. 37: "Lord, where will this happen?" the disciples asked, Jesus replied, "Just as the gathering of vultures shows there is a carcass nearby, so these signs indicate that the end is near. (The capitalizations are mine to illustrate my point). Both Noah and Lot and their families were rescued and escaped the disaster that befell the rest of the world in Noah's case and the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah in Lot's case. If one reads Revelation and reads the descriptions of the Seal Judgments, The Trumpet Judgments and the Bowl Judgments, how in the world could people possibly be going to parties and weddings and banquets; going about their daily business, eating, drinking, buying, selling, farming and building?? Over half of the world's population has been wiped out by every kind of horrid disaster not even imaginable to us today. Why didn't Noah and Lot have to go through any kind of disaster? Why were they removed and escaped the terror that befell so many others? AND note: This is Jesus speaking and he clearly says, "When the Son Of Man Returns." Who is the Son of Man"? Jesus. He states, "these signs show the end is near." I believe He is, in my opinion, saying, When you see the sign of the church disappearing, the end is near. Yes, 7 years away!! Luke 21: 36 "Keep a constant watch. And pray that, if possible, you may ESCAPE these horrors and stand BEFORE THE SON OF MAN." Escape what? The horrors to come, what horrors? The Tribulation!! So, will Jesus come and Rapture us when He comes and sets foot on the Mt. of Olives, before He sets foot on the mountain or after? So He raptures us and then immediately brings us back with Him? What is the point? 1st Thess 5:9 "For God decided to SAVE us through our Lord Jesus Christ, NOT TO POUR OUT HIS ANGER ON US." I think the Tribulation is a time of God's anger and wrath!! Jesus was a Jew. He totally understood Jewish law, customs and traditions. When He stated that in His Father's house were many dwellings (mansions) and that he was going there to prepare a place for us (the Bride of Christ) that where He was, we would be also. As I understand it, at the time that Jesus walked the earth, Jewish weddings involved a process. Usually, the Bridegroom's father picked out a bride for him, often at a young age. The father of the Bridegroom would then, at some point go the prospective Bride's home and a contract (engagement) was entered, if there was agreement between the parties. Once agreement was reached, the Bridegroom was then to go back to his father's home and build a room for he and his prospective bride. If the father was wealthy, the Bridegroom might then build a separate house on the property for he and is Bride. The Bride never knew when the dwelling might be ready, so was unaware of when the Bridegroom would come for her. She knew that it would be at some point, but just not the hour or day. Finally, when the room or house were ready, the Bridegroom would go for his bride. But when he was some distance away from his Bride's house, a trumpet would be blown to signify he was close and on the way. The Bridegroom would then fetch his Bride. A wedding would ensue and then there was feasting and a party for 7 days. It seems this process was very near what Jesus describes when He goes to his Father's house to prepare a place for his Bride (the church), that where He is we may be also. I think it unlikely that a Jewish Bridegroom would go and beat the heck out of his bride and then take her to his room or house. I don't believe Jesus would kick the heck out of us in the Tribulation and then come for us. There are other passages in the bible that I could point to as well, but I don't want to turn this into a thesis. Suffice to say that God loving Christians and true believers will find scripture that they find differences in interpretation. Whether there is a belief in a Pretribulation or a Post Tribulation Rapture will not separate us from eternal life in God's Kingdom. I for one feel that should I be wrong about a Pretribulation Rapture, I will simply acknowledge I was wrong and pray that I make it through the horrors of the Tribulation. If not, I know that ultimately, I will be Raptured. So, I simply say, a Pretribulation Rapture makes much more sense to me than a Post Tribulation Rapture. And I will love my Christian Brothers and Sisters who disagree with me. We will all be with the Lord at some point. AMEN!!

[@tomasseva735]

But for me Rapture firs before great tribulation Gen 7=6.7 Gen 19=12.13.11 For the reason Mat,24,21. Daniel 12=1 That why we need Rapture, mat,24=22 Rev, 24=31 1.tess.4=16,17 If you did not rapture how could survive Rev6=6 Rev, 13=15.16.17 Mat,24=29

[@eagle8437]

Ecclesiastes 9 (Pay attn. to the SUN ) 5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. (This tells us that all we have is gone except forthe spirit, breath of life. This is our SIMM chip. It holds all our info, what we have seen, done, smelled, tasted, family and friends & sins. God holds it.) Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.