Is the Pretribulation Rapture for Real?

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Yahweh's Restoration Ministry

Yahweh's Restoration Ministry

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Discover how the pretribulation rapture teaching came to be and how this relatively new doctrine has gained a foot-hold in today's modern churches. See why this pervasive belief may cause some to lose their faith as the end-times approach.
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@mothermeha
@mothermeha 10 жыл бұрын
Thank You, Thank You, Thank You. This truth needs to be heard by all modern day believers, for I see this as a major part of The Great Deception. May YHWH be forever praised for His Truth .
@Makeitmakesensejo
@Makeitmakesensejo 4 жыл бұрын
You are right the deception is deep. We as believers must want the truth.
@Lisa-zd8sk
@Lisa-zd8sk 2 жыл бұрын
Amen to that 🙏
@lavictoire1960
@lavictoire1960 4 жыл бұрын
Pray to be accounted worthy to escape the hour of trial coming upon the world.
@stephenszucs8439
@stephenszucs8439 10 ай бұрын
...And to stand before the Son of Man." Pretribbles always leave out part of the verses. Pray you are found worthy to escape what is coming (great apostacy) and able to stand at the judgment seat of Christ.
@Milliondollanelly
@Milliondollanelly 3 жыл бұрын
Never believed in the rapture even at a young age I read the scripture to my aunty that the Bible said Yahshua would come after the tribulation and she said it was a lie ...
@julietrae8665
@julietrae8665 5 жыл бұрын
IF CONSTANTINE CHANGED SABBATH, WHAT ELSE DON'T WE KNOW?
@bobbyjonkey13
@bobbyjonkey13 3 жыл бұрын
Let Us keep seeking the face of Elohim
@nordrichinds7775
@nordrichinds7775 7 жыл бұрын
Shalom and thanks men and brethren. This has blessed mine heart and has confirmed my recent studies. Coming from a Christian background before becoming a Sacred Name Believer, I always talked about this rapture doctrine all because I heard in churches more and more. But was I ever fully convinced? I was never really as I couldn't find it anywhere. Needless to say, as I went home and did my studies I saw the inconsistencies and the errors of this teaching and I moved away from this rapture doctrine. What alarmed me most is from Matthew 24:29 when Yahshua said that immediately after those days of tribulation shall appear the signs of his coming. How could that be when he already came and took the saints away? Then I said: of all the ones that have ever spoken Yahshua could never be wrong so someone else is. From there on out I started to teach that there was no such thing as a rapture and all those who heard me came with the same doctrine and scriptures over and over to try and validate something that was and is never mentioned. haSatan knew that there would come a point in time in life when men and women would rather hold unto a promise that all shall be well even in the midst of troubles, and as such he has devised a trick and a scheme to cause humankind to hold unto a promise of being rescued while every one else left to suffer. How so? Yahshua says: he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved. Endure what and to what end? How could that be when we would be raptured? Bottom line is this rapture doctrine is and was no where to be found or even taught by the apostles. This as many as most of the Christian doctrine is a recent thing that has caused division, putting them in line for wanting more comfortable and unbiblical teachings. Keep up the sharing of The Good News of Yahweh's Kingdom. HalleluYAHWEH. HalleluYAHSHUA.
@Lisa-zd8sk
@Lisa-zd8sk 2 жыл бұрын
YES thank you for a fantastic teaching based on biblical truths.! I knew the catching up was after the tribulation before the outpouring of gods wrath, but there seems to more and more videos coming out about a pre tribulation rapture it’s causing mass confusion amongst believers. We need more teachings like this to get the truth of the scripture out there. May god bless you x
@Ramitupyourcunt
@Ramitupyourcunt 10 жыл бұрын
And don't forget the Parable of the Wheat and Tares... Matthew 13:24-30
@Makeitmakesensejo
@Makeitmakesensejo 4 жыл бұрын
2 Thess 2: is very plain to understand. 1. thess chapter 4 when taking the whole text is speaking simply that the living will not proceed the dead. To argue the point is useless. I say be yea ready.
@RavenStarrsEpicExplores
@RavenStarrsEpicExplores 4 жыл бұрын
I say for those still confused on this rapture pray about it ask the lord to show you in a dream or some other way to help you understand the truth on it if its before the tribulation or after. I know I will have to die for my lord! I am ok with that why because he died for me on the cross what better sacrifice is it for the lord that anyone can give is to die for him! 🙏
@stephenszucs8439
@stephenszucs8439 10 ай бұрын
DO NOT TRUST in dreams or "A burning in the heart." These are the things that have convinced millions of people into all kinds of heresies! IF IT ISN'T IN THE BIBLE you cannot be dogmatic about it. IF IT CONTRADICTS ANYTHING THAT IS IN THE BIBLE, IT IS FALSE. IF IT IS AN IMPORTANT EVENT THAT ONLY GOD CAN PERFORM, AND IS NOT IN THE BIBLE, IT IS A LIE. PERIOD. Amos said that God does *nothing* unless he first tells his prophets.
@VickiYisrael
@VickiYisrael 8 жыл бұрын
This is very good teaching Shalom
@VV01f13
@VV01f13 4 жыл бұрын
Shalom💖🙏 messianic Bible is the bible directly translated from the Hebrew, no changes are found therein. Yes many will be caught up.
@alvinford6522
@alvinford6522 3 жыл бұрын
Yes but when?
@Lisa-zd8sk
@Lisa-zd8sk 2 жыл бұрын
@@alvinford6522 after the tribulation but before Gods Ultimate wrath
@jonyoung6405
@jonyoung6405 2 жыл бұрын
If "Rapture" was so important, wouldn't it be clearly stated somewhere in scriptures? And why cant I find any writing from 2000 years of other saints that have studied much more then me.
@stephenszucs8439
@stephenszucs8439 10 ай бұрын
jonyoung6405, There is a cadre of Pretribbles who are rushing to copy each other's works about the stunning new "discovery" of pretribble "early church fathers." When you see these claims be aware that the words of the Church Fathers were taken out of context and twisted. If you read the actual full papers being citied you can't miss the post trib understanding. That is "The Trouble with Pretribbles." They like to hack up verse, chapters, books, and quotes and call it "rightly dividing." So, you are correct. The pretribble mythology was unheard of before Darby et al.
@keithubel7110
@keithubel7110 4 жыл бұрын
My only question is, if we know that Yahshua will return immediately after the tribulation, then wouldn't we be able to, at some point, know when the second coming would be? Where as, a pretty tribulation rapture would be completely unpredictable as its timing is not attachable to any other event(s)?
@alvinford6522
@alvinford6522 3 жыл бұрын
The day and hour we know not when we see all the signs we will KNOW HIS coming is SOON. "So simple".
@mereknubmitowsky7368
@mereknubmitowsky7368 3 жыл бұрын
@@alvinford6522 We know its day of Atonement... rapture tho we do not know You can calculate 2nd comming 1260 days from when 2 witnessess die.. or from abomination of desolation u can exactly know when he is commin
@stephenszucs8439
@stephenszucs8439 10 ай бұрын
keithubel, Knowing the exact day and hour of the setting up of the Abomination will still not give you the exact day and hour of the return because Daniel gives two different numbers of days (many opinions about what the difference means, but they are opinions. We don't know.) Also, we have the statement that for the sake of the elect the days will be shortened. Shortened *to* 3.5 years, or shortened *from* 3.5 years? We do not know.
@MegaDrew1984
@MegaDrew1984 2 жыл бұрын
No one enters the holy place until the seven bowls are poured out.
@Mike65809
@Mike65809 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus said he will raise us up on the Last Day, not 3.5 or 7 years prior. That is pretty clear. We have to endure until the end.
@mereknubmitowsky7368
@mereknubmitowsky7368 3 жыл бұрын
ye and he raised people befre he died and raised many after he died and they went to the city
@Berkeleystangs
@Berkeleystangs 3 жыл бұрын
Im just wondering why so many are attacking a secondary doctrine like when the catching away will happen.
@no2mob889
@no2mob889 Жыл бұрын
Because people need to be AWARE
@stephenszucs8439
@stephenszucs8439 10 ай бұрын
Berkeleystangs, People care about the timing of the rapture because of what happened in China. The missionaries taught Pretrib, and assured the converts there that God would rescue them before the persecution hit. Then Communism happened, many were killed, and most of the rest rejected Jesus as a "liar". It was the missionaries, not God who lied.
@slojogojo2766
@slojogojo2766 4 жыл бұрын
The "pretrib rapture" is very popular that in itself tells you it is deception, most preachers teach it, churches seats are filled teaching it, a lot of money made from it books even movies. Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying I am Christ; and deceive many.
@stephenszucs8439
@stephenszucs8439 10 ай бұрын
My father used to say, "If the majority are for it, it's probably wrong."
@1daycloser2home93
@1daycloser2home93 Жыл бұрын
All Roads Lead 2 Rome. Come out of MY people.......
@stephenszucs8439
@stephenszucs8439 10 ай бұрын
1 daycloser2home93, I know that the idea that the Beast and/or the Harlot City being the RCC is like, an essential doctrine to SDA, but evil as that religion is, it does not meet every criterion of every prophesy. Islam does.
@Danny-BigD
@Danny-BigD 2 жыл бұрын
We find most do not search no matter who they are or what name they call them selfs. A hymn writer in 300-400 AD wrote about Jesus coming before the great tribulation. Yes you can still read those scrolls on line.. MANY other preachers have talked about this Hymn writer and others after 400ad and before. What does this prove? One .. nothing other then it was preached about WAY before 1830 and 1600. So YOU search this out..DONT BELIEVE ME! You find this for your self! I did many years ago. A man that use to be on TBN had a show and he talked about this SAME man and others. He showed the scrolls. Again other lol preachers talked about them. WHY those that do not believe in PRE TRIB leave this out.. a great question.
@stephenszucs8439
@stephenszucs8439 10 ай бұрын
Danny-BigD, "Look for a song written around 400AD about Jesus returning before the Tribulation." I did the most advanced search and came up with nothing. The best I could find was, "The concept of Jesus returning to the earth prior to the tribulation is called pretribulation and is not found in any Christian songs prior to the 19th century." All the rest said, "No Results Found."
@ruckusallen
@ruckusallen 8 жыл бұрын
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A PRE TRIB RAPTURE. JESUS CHRIST WILL CALL HIS CHURCH / BRIDE UP TO MEET HIM IN THE AIR.. THEN DANIELS 70TH WEEK WILL BEGIN SOON AFTER THAT AS CHRIST BECOMES THE LAMB AND OPENS THE SEALS. THE CHURCH WILL BE IN HEAVEN AT THIS TIME. ANYONE WHO DISAGREES DOES NOT KNOW JESUS
@sigalsmadar4547
@sigalsmadar4547 3 жыл бұрын
hahahaha, You just described a PreTrib(ulation) Catching Away (rapture). Yeshua DOES call His bride to meet Him in the air. Sometime after that the a.c. and Israel make a peace treaty which starts the prophecy clock ticking again in Daniel 9:24-27, the 70th "week," the time of Jacob's Trouble, the Tribulation of Revelations. And yes, in Heaven the Lamb begins to open in the seals. And Yes, the Body of Christ is in Heaven, in those temporary dwellings (not "mansions," a bad translation). But this is NOT a salvation issue.
@sheilaolson5868
@sheilaolson5868 2 жыл бұрын
You just contradicted yourself in this statement.
@stephenszucs8439
@stephenszucs8439 10 ай бұрын
@@sigalsmadar4547 Where, in the BIBLE does it say that the catching up to gather around him in the (Gr) AER (lower atmosphere, visible sky, lowest heavens) happens before the tribulation begins? Chapter and verse?
@jayezeahe815
@jayezeahe815 10 жыл бұрын
hello i still have 1 question, im reading from paul, 1 Corinthians 50 thru 55, i was waiting to hear on,and please if you can, explain it,, btw, great show you have here.
@nocompromise704
@nocompromise704 4 жыл бұрын
I grew up believing in the rapture doctrine, but after an in-depth study I realized I was deceived. I no longer believe that. Praise be to Yashua for giving us the TRUTH.
@biblehistoryscience3530
@biblehistoryscience3530 4 жыл бұрын
No Compromise, my research shows that people who do surface readings of chapters like Matt 24 can come away with the impression that the Rapture is post-trib, and the key verses that trip them up is always Matt 24:29-31 because they’re so clear. However, Paul said he was revealing a hidden mystery when teaching about the Rapture, and God hides mysteries in plain sight using things like parables and metaphors before revealing them thru servants like Paul, so Jesus never talked plainly about the Rapture, so the clear language in Matt 24:29-31 cannot be about the Rapture.
@bobbyjonkey13
@bobbyjonkey13 3 жыл бұрын
Revelation 11:15 .. 14:16
@SpotterVideo
@SpotterVideo 10 жыл бұрын
. On page 170 of his book “Dispensationalism”(2007 edition), dispensationalist Dr. Charles Ryrie states, “It was not until several years after leaving the Church of England that Darby became interested in prophecy. His interest was piqued through conferences at Albury, out of which the Irvingian movement grew.”
@lisamounts6555
@lisamounts6555 6 жыл бұрын
Im not sure on the math , i seen on a web link the dates of noahs grandfathers and during noah time before the flood enosh was still alive. I was thinking of this that is written in genesis v26There was also born a son to Shet, and he named him Enosh: then men began to call on Yahwehs name. Had me thinking "as in the days of noah". What do yall think?
@ldebrobander
@ldebrobander Жыл бұрын
Born again Christians are not under law but under grace. I am a Gentile that has been grafted into the olive tree. I am not Jewish
@YahwehsRestorationMinistry
@YahwehsRestorationMinistry Жыл бұрын
We aren't Jewish either. The law was not given to the Jews. It was given to Israel. Are you not grafted into the promise of Israel?
@ksullivan777
@ksullivan777 4 жыл бұрын
The Apostles of Yahusha Messiah Did NOT teach a Rapture Theology; but rather they taught the Restoration of All things [Act 3:19-21] in the Earth at the time of the Kingdom Age [Rev 20:6-7]; this is only "Part" of the Great Deception...
@sigalsmadar4547
@sigalsmadar4547 3 жыл бұрын
They could NOT have taught about it because THEY were looking for a Kingdom of Israel with Yeshua as King. They had to be walked through, given visions of, the gentiles coming to salvation and the coming into being the Body of Christ, ie the "church." That was Paul's job. the church is a NT mystery, something not known in the OT, but revealed in the NT. I think you are deceived that the believers would suffer the Wrath of God when there are soooooo many NT verses promising we have been exempt from that now that we are on God's side. His wrath is for evil and the wicked; not us!
@mereknubmitowsky7368
@mereknubmitowsky7368 3 жыл бұрын
ye and he also taught other things like Gospel of Kingdom but its not for us today
@SpotterVideo
@SpotterVideo 10 жыл бұрын
Genesis of Dispensational Theology - It began with a book written by a Jesuit. Genesis of Dispensational Theology
@terrylee2284
@terrylee2284 5 жыл бұрын
This teaching is not on your Roku channel
@YahwehsRestorationMinistry
@YahwehsRestorationMinistry 5 жыл бұрын
We will look into it! Thanks!
@ruckusallen
@ruckusallen 10 жыл бұрын
where is the protection of the saints that are killed in revelation?.. oh but I guess those are angels too huh?
@tammyandkeithmckenzie580
@tammyandkeithmckenzie580 8 жыл бұрын
+Ruckus Allen OK lets talk about the rapture,First the dead in Christ are resurrected and all that are alive are taken to meet the Lord in the air. Would you say this is the rapture?
@ruckusallen
@ruckusallen 8 жыл бұрын
Tammy and Keith McKenzie those in Christ, dead rise first, & those who are alive & remain yes. This is the mystery Paul tells us about. It is not prophesied, if it was, it would not be a mystery.. agree?
@aznation4592
@aznation4592 4 жыл бұрын
Tammy and Keith McKenzie Yes but it takes place after the Tribulation. Many teach otherwise ! I’v been taught otherwise but we must always seek out the Scriptures
@mereknubmitowsky7368
@mereknubmitowsky7368 3 жыл бұрын
@@aznation4592 There are literally 2 witnessess in middle of week resurrected and raptured to heaven..... after 3,5 days
@stephenszucs8439
@stephenszucs8439 10 ай бұрын
@@mereknubmitowsky7368 The 2 witnesses are resurrected, not raptured. Dead, raised, taken up. Not transformed while alive and taken up.
@Yosef_Morrison
@Yosef_Morrison 3 жыл бұрын
Sir, with all due respect I tell you in love, you are wrong. Yeshua said, "One will be taken and one left" which backs up what He said in another parable about the Virgins and the lamps where 5 were taken and 5 were left behind. The Bride of Yeshua is not The Elect. but they are The Bride--two different groups of people. The Elect will be those who finally get their game together after suffering the horrors of the 7-year Tribulation which will coincide with the traditional Galilean 7-day marriage supper. The Bride will be taken out like "a thief in the night" which was the traditional way the Bride was fetched for the wedding when the father would reveal to the son that the day and the hour to go fetch his bride had come. "The Bride" is the Wise Virgins from the parable who's lamps were full of the oil of the Word (Law Keeping) while the Foolish Virgins get left behind and even told to "I do not know you" just like the other teaching of Yeshua where He said, "Go away from me workers of iniquity. I never knew you!". These iniquity-laden Foolish Virgins will remain on the earth to suffer through the horrors of The 7-tribulation and those (The Elect) who finally get it right will be elected to go in Shaul's "twinkling of an eye/end of the Tribulation of those days" Rapture. Still yet there will be many who fall away because they were still so blinded by the "strong delusion" and will not let go of their belief's no matter how many times you try to explain they are part of Whore/Harlot Catholic/Christian Babylonian Mystery of Iniquity religion lead by the Law-nailed-to-the-cross, swine eating Foolish Virgins. The Great Falling away is happening now with all the acceptance of homosexuals in the church's and the whole outrageous homosexual transsexual movement being front and center around the world because they do not have the Jewish understanding that homosexuality and gender dysphoria are a re-incarnation issue, re-incarnation being key and a foundational belief in Judaism whereby homosexual and gender dysphoria that prompts some people to become transsexuals is born out of having been a woman in their past re-incarnation to fulfill the Commandments that are specifically only for women. Judaism says we re-incarnate as many times as needed to fulfill all 613 Commandments and to do that a soul must return as male and female. And if you are about to say, "We don't believe in re-incarnation", well Yeshua taught it right there in your Bible on two occasions, and don't forget YHVH Himself incarnated and wrestled with Jacob and then re-incarnated Himself to become our Messiah. Without re-incarnation we have no Messiah. I hope that now that I, Yosef Ben David, YHVH's last of the Last Days prophet, has explained it to you that the scales have fallen off your eyes and you understand the parable of the virgins and the lamps as those who go to the marriage supper and those who get left behind. You'll get your end of the tribulation rapture alright, but woe unto those who must live through it because they were not acceptable to escape it like the Wise Virgins. Yeshua said, "Except the number of those days be shortened no flesh would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened". You see, the Bride made up of the Wise Virgins is different from The Elect who go on The Rapture. The Elect will join the angels of heaven and the 10,000's of saints that come down after the Marriage Supper to join the Elect and off we will all head to the Battle at the valley of Megiddo.
@valentincavazzos4420
@valentincavazzos4420 3 жыл бұрын
Sorry bo rapture we will all suffer the great tribulation as test of faith in order our faith to strengthen
@shelleywolfe726
@shelleywolfe726 3 жыл бұрын
Judaism also forbids the worship of a person as a form of idolatry, since the central belief of Judaism is the absolute unity and singularity of God. And yet you talk as IF you know what you're talking about............makes everything you just said a lie and a contrtadiction.........perhaps YOU should have had someone more versed than you seem to think you are..........EXPLAIN it to you.
@alvinford6522
@alvinford6522 3 жыл бұрын
It seems you don't understand the parable of the ten virgins.
@stephenszucs8439
@stephenszucs8439 10 ай бұрын
1964Series, 1)The statement that one will be taken, and one left is used constantly to "prove" a pretrib rapture, but "a verse out of context is a pretext." Read the next part: "Where are they taken? Where the carcass is, the birds of prey gather." 2) You seem to be getting you information of Jewish weddings from Pretribble teachers. It isn't exactly accurate. There were 10 young women. All were awaiting the bridegroom. All expected his coming. All had been invited. Five of them knew that, not knowing the exact hour of his coming, they might have to endure the long dark night. They were ready to face the night with extra oil to see them through. The other five seemed to thing that he would come back early and take them inside to safety BEFORE they would have to endure the night. They didn't have the oil they needed and were locked out. To flip that parable upside down and say that the wise women were prepared for an even for which one cannot prepare makes no sense at all. 3) The church is not the Bride of Christ. Israel is as the betrothal at Mt. Sin ai proves, and the church gets grafted in. There are no divisions or caste system of believers in God's economy! ALL come through faith. All are saved by the blood of THE Lamb. 3) Where does the Bible say that the Marriage Supper takes place in Heaven?
@wkharolds
@wkharolds 10 жыл бұрын
Sola GRATIA! Post Tribers want enter in Heavens by work? labor? suffering? "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith -and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God"- Ep 2:8 "not by works, so that no one can boast." Ep 2:9 Sorry, but post trib doctrine is false...you must see another passages... 1 Ts 1:10, Sf 2:3, Hb 4:3, Dn 12:1...the Bride belongs to Jesus and His Wedding, not for the Wrath on the Earth!
@ravinderkaur3649
@ravinderkaur3649 4 жыл бұрын
I do not know what cause post tribers to attack so vehemently pre tribers!
@Mike65809
@Mike65809 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus said he will raise us up on the Last Day, not 3.5 or 7 years prior. That is pretty clear. We have to endure until the end.
@alvinford6522
@alvinford6522 3 жыл бұрын
Show one or half a verse where saints will be caught up before the tribulation.
@stephenszucs8439
@stephenszucs8439 10 ай бұрын
@@ravinderkaur3649 I think you have it backwards. I have seen some deeply evil attacks against people who reject a doctrine not found in the Bbile. Everything from name-calling to "I pray all post-tribbers rot in Hell forever." Yeah. Great Christians.
@stephenszucs8439
@stephenszucs8439 10 ай бұрын
wkharolds, That is an illogical, unbiblical, and rather inane comment. People who refuse to blindly gulp down what some HUMAN teacher insists is true, (even though it isn't in the Bible, because one must INFER what is not written and throw away large portions of the Word of God as 'only for someone else' to believe it) are simply willing to ACCEPT that God is supreme, and if it is his will that we be the generation to see these things, we accept the challenge, the fears, and the privilege of possibly seeing, with our own eyes, the glorious return.
@sarahbishop-jones2841
@sarahbishop-jones2841 4 жыл бұрын
While I agree that there will be NO secret rapture. There will be one after the tribulation. I believe pre wrath is the proper timing. As for Enoch... you clearly are not looking at ancient Hebrew. He was taken by God without dying, much like Elijah. “ he walked with God , then God took him and he was no more.” The Dead Sea scrolls contain fragments of the book of Enoch and in that book it clearly says that Enoch was taken to heaven. As you quoted from the book of Jude the quote of God.“ Coming with 10,000 of his saints to execute judgement on all...” this is Jude quoting from the book of Enoch. Saints does not mean angels. It means “ those people set apart”. So sorry YRM Yashuah will come with the whole host of heaven even those people who have died and are in heaven.
@benjaminmanuel1782
@benjaminmanuel1782 4 жыл бұрын
Tribulations and wrath of God are two different things, the former is test or times of trial and the later is final condemnation
@alvinford6522
@alvinford6522 3 жыл бұрын
This is so simple when Mashiach returns the elect in the grave and those alive caught up in the air to meet Him then returns to rule for 1000 yrs.
@alvinford6522
@alvinford6522 3 жыл бұрын
Oh forgot John 3:13.
@brandusaantoniac2574
@brandusaantoniac2574 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, let's talk about the Scriptures. Read it!
@yeshuasave6413
@yeshuasave6413 10 жыл бұрын
3 verses that disproving pre-trib rapture (1) Thessalonians 4:16-17 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. (2)Thessalonians 5:1-2 The Day of the Lord 5 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.( Rapture is also reffered to the day of the lord) (3)Matthew 24:30 Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.... ( Is this not what Thessalonians 4:16 said? "For the Lord HIMSELF shall descend from heaven) also Thessalonians 4:16"with the voice of the archangel...Mathew 24:31 "and he shall send his angels" Thessalonians 4:16 once again "with the trump of God"....Matthew 24:31.."with a great sound of a trumpet" Thessalonians 4 16 "we which are alive and remain shall be caught up" .....Matthew 24 31..."and they shall gather together his elect" Does these verses not work hand and hand???? C'mon on now Post Trib Rapture is clear..(please explain this one lol)
@simenefranchettef.2385
@simenefranchettef.2385 9 жыл бұрын
Good day! I would like to help out and explain the difference. As for 1Thessalonians 4:17, we (true christians) who are alive during the rapture will be CAUGHT UP together in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. This means we will be. caught up from here, on earth to the clouds to be with our master. The last trumpet being said here also is the feast of trumpets of Israel. While in Matthew 24:30-31, the elects are gathered from one end of the heavens to the other. So clearly not from earth. This will be upon the blowing of the last of the 7 trumpets told in the book of Revelation which will happen by the end of the Tribulation. This will be the time when we, the saints of God would fight for Israel in God's side. I used to not get this verses also. And thought of it as the same until I read the book, The Last Chronicles of the Planet Earth and my pastor as well as ny mom and other church elders also explains it to me. May this be helpful. God bless
@yeshuasave6413
@yeshuasave6413 9 жыл бұрын
Franchette Simene that's Deception....Last trumpet means last trumpet
@aznation4592
@aznation4592 4 жыл бұрын
Yeshua Save 1 Thessalonians dont prove pre-trib only gives details of what will take place.
@Mike65809
@Mike65809 3 жыл бұрын
@@simenefranchettef.2385 Jesus said he will raise us up on the Last Day, not 3.5 or 7 years prior. That is pretty clear. We have to endure until the end.
@stephenszucs8439
@stephenszucs8439 10 ай бұрын
@@simenefranchettef.2385 Paul said we will be caught up in the AER to gather with him AND THE RESURRECTED DEAD in CHRIST. Aer is Greek for LOWER ATMOSPHERE, visible heavens, SKY. Nowhere does it say that the church goes to Heaven. ONLY the souls of the dead go there to await the resurrection. Gathering from the heavens again, heavens = sky. If we are taken into the sky, it is the sky from which we must be gathered. The resurrected bodies of the dead are also gathered (first) from "the four corners of the earth.
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