Is The Second Apron Bad For The NBA?

[@MusicLover-my6fo]

Hearing a Trailblazers fan say, "I miss the dynasty" is something I never thought I would ever hear.

[@ryanjohnson2994]

there are some NBA fans that will never be happy. Back in 2018, everybody complained that there was no parity and that we all knew it would be GState v Cleveland in the finals every year. Now the NBA is deeper than ever and has more parity then it’s had in decades, and people are complaining there’s no dynasties. Sorry, but you can’t have both. As a blazers fan myself, I love this version of the NBA. Every team, at least hypothetically, has a shot. It’s too bad our front office it too incompetent to capitalize on it though…

[@RandomUsersRandomAccount]

​@@ryanjohnson2994fr, I didn't have any idea who was gonna make it out of the West last year. And the race for the East looks more competitive this year on paper at least

[@denzellsmall7598]

​@@ryanjohnson2994 I think the word you're looking for is "parity"

[@DK_Vandaryn]

@@ryanjohnson2994I’m a Heat fan and I love that there is so much competition in the League now.

[@kingq4113]

Ngl I prefer the warriors dynasty over the Celtics any day 😂 idk why I just can’t get behind these celts tbh

[@naoikeda9472]

The 2nd apron was theoretically a good idea In practice, it is horrendous

[@vulcanraven9701]

Because there's no exception granted to teams extending the guys they drafted. Teams like Denver or GSW get punished for drafting really well while teams in big market like LAL can get superstars (AD/Lebron) from other teams & players take discounts just to play for big markets. So they're immune to the rules

[@RandomUsersRandomAccount]

​@@vulcanraven9701you do not get punished for drafting well. You get a great player for years for cheap money, and the opportunity to pay them first so they don't switch teams. You're not supposed to keep every player you drafted. It's led to a lot of players getting paid more than they're worth and team salary ballooning over their competition. Now you can lock up those two max level players, and try to build with role players around them. Denver isn't punished at all, they overpayed for MPJ, Jamal Murray is fragile and didn't play well last playoffs and looks like not a max guy under the new CBA. The Warriors are not being punished either. They're overpaying for Draymond Green and Andrew Wiggens, so they let Klay go after they enjoyed like a DECADE of title contention. LAL built that team under the old CBA, it'll be hard for them to do anything like that from now on. Sure, they may be able to get a superstar in free agency more than most teams because of the city, but it's like that in every sport. It's important to note the LAL made that deal, won a championship and they've stunk for years now too. We see teams with tiny markets like Oklahoma City making runs for the championship right now and that'll continue in the future

[@RandomUsersRandomAccount]

​@vulcanraven9701 you do not get punished for drafting well. You get a great player for years for cheap money, and the opportunity to pay them first so they don't switch teams. You're not supposed to keep every player you drafted. It's led to a lot of players getting paid more than they're worth and team salary ballooning over their competition. Now you can lock up those two max level players, and try to build with role players around them. Denver isn't punished at all, they overpayed for MPJ, Jamal Murray is fragile and didn't play well last playoffs and looks like not a max guy under the new CBA. The Warriors are not being punished either. They're overpaying for Draymond Green and Andrew Wiggens, so they let Klay go after they enjoyed like a DECADE of title contention. LAL built that team under the old CBA, it'll be hard for them to do anything like that from now on. Sure, they may be able to get a superstar in free agency more than most teams because of the city, but it's like that in every sport. It's important to note the LAL made that deal, won a championship and they've stunk for years now too. We see teams with tiny markets like Oklahoma City making runs for the championship right now and that'll continue in the future

[@vulcanraven9701]

@RandomUsersRandomAccount I understand some teams definitely gave out dumb contracts but the player re-signing with their original team there should be a rule that a certain fraction of their contract shouldn't count towards salary cap imo. That way the team could have a better chance of offering more than competitors while also awarding the team/player for their continued partnership..

[@RandomUsersRandomAccount]

​@vulcanraven9701 I respect that thought process. I see the NBA a bit differently. I don't have a team I root for so I like seeing talent move around more. I hate watching an overpaid duo of just okay players stick together for 5+ years and no one takes them seriously and their fan bases are just tuned out. I think if more pieces were being moved around at least if you stink, you're seeing a new team composition being tried out. Like I look at the Bulls, and they've had some talented pieces, but they've done nothing but spin their tires for years paying to keep their pieces together. Just makes me sad. I like when teams commit to doing something new because a lot of great players just get stuck on teams they can't win with

[@pangobara8182]

KAT being traded off the TWolves a soon as they have success hurts a lil ngl.

[@bhunt372]

Imagine how he must be feeling man. Brutal.

[@pangobara8182]

@bhunt372 It's like the picture perfect example of loyalty not being rewarded. He was one of the few things that made the Twolves watchable for years and got shipped off. I'm just thankful he got sent to another contender (even though the Knicks feel like one of those cursed teams). If he got sent to like the Pistons or something, I woulda felt so bad for him. He might be the most disrespected star in the league too. Always made me mad

[@krsnavigliotti4611]

Remember when he was the most valuable player in the league?

[@Skinslyfe]

@@bhunt372rich

[@DeVaughnTaylor]

He’s too soft for what they’re doing right now, I thought they shoulda traded him before the deadline last season

[@ConnorHoak]

“If the speed limit is 60 MPH, as long as you’re going 75 or 80 MPH you’re fine” brother I don’t wanna be riding with you 😂

[@averylayne558]

Thought I was the only one who caught that 😂

[@thandomsandler1559]

I think this is a warning sign for my driving on the highway lol 😅

[@rswaggz12]

Umm I know I wasn’t losing it😂

[@Skinslyfe]

Portland police don’t care

[@julianthesmooshyhusky8976]

Facts, in the Midwest 68 will get your ass pulled over

[@bb2757]

As a huge soccer fan, i truly appreciate the parallels drawn in this video 😂

[@pedroalexandrecorreiafigue2199]

The 2nd apron only favors cheap owners.

[@RandomUsersRandomAccount]

Not really. The new rules require you to spend money equal to 90% of the cap. Before cheap owners would constantly hover WAY below that margin and just settle for a horrible team to get a high pick. Now you HAVE to pay somebody

[@michaelpaullang4401]

@@RandomUsersRandomAccountgives then a excuse not to pay guys who deserve to be paid

[@bnb6868]

As one of those European viewers I didn't expect that football tangent at all but I won't complain lol

[@karabeloborotho5034]

Same here

[@andrewgilbertson595]

They seem pretty clued up about football and how it works tbf - but yh won’t complain at all 😂

[@Olie.Mon06]

10:10 you’re right joker 2 was unnecessary

[@bryndenxtopher]

I died laughing 😂😂

[@inimitableminimalist]

The Denver Nuggets after drafting Nikola Jokic Jr, aka "Jokey", in 2042

[@Mysterybabylon696]

Nah, I love how unpredictable the NBA is now.

[@THE_BEAR_JEW]

Well, the problem with Denver and Minnesota isn't the 2nd apron. Denver had a great cap situation with a solid roster but they lost 2 years due to Murray's injuries, and they shot themselves in the foot with the MPJ contract. I like MPJ but he's not worth that ungodly amount of money for what he does. Minnesota simply took way too long to find success. KAT has been in the league for 9 years. They're had DLO, Jimmy Butler, Wiggins paired with him and only now has it finally worked but it's too little too late. If KAT had played better, they wouldn't have felt the need to get Gobert and they'd be in a better position, but it was KAT's glaring shortcomings that forced Minnesota to spend more than they should've needed to. I have absolutely no problem with these teams missing their windows. That opens things up for other teams to compete. I agree KAT went to the Knicks, which is a big market but lets be real here... it's the Knicks. Last year was probably their best season since 1999 and they were bounced in the conference semis. I also have no problem with Philly getting PG. Again, yes, they have a recent MVP but they haven't gotten past the conference semis since 2001. I'm fine with em getting a past-his-prime PG.

[@RandomUsersRandomAccount]

Plus the Knicks will take their lumps because they leveraged so much of their future for this year's team. They have to win a championship in this window for it to be worth it. The Timberwolves pushed all their chips in for Rudy Gobert and yeah I don't think they do the deal if they knew about the second apron, but now they're paying for the bet they took

[@rubaiyat300]

Wow how magnanimous.

[@jisoolee1258]

Am I the only one who doesn’t care about dynasties and TV ratings? I love this parity going on and I hated kd warriors era where it was obvious who was going to win.

[@Quentinthemudkip]

No but the casual audience (the ones that the NBA panders to) does and they love it. They are bandwagons but that’s okay bc most people are just followers so they won’t root for a young upcoming team but rather a juggernaut that’s established. I think the actual hoopers love the parity

[@zachestine]

most actual fans agree with you (unless their team is the dynasty, i would give my life for a bucks dynasty)

[@truly747]

@@zachestine its true im a warriors fan, it was fantastic lol

[@JohnDoe______]

I mean the nba cares about tv ratings it helps with profit

[@shorewall]

@@JohnDoe______ But why should we care then? I know the NBA is trying to juice ratings and profits. But that has nothing to do with me.

[@cameronalexander5883]

Rest in Peace Dikembe Mutombo ❤🙏

[@KTKZon58]

☝🏿☝🏿☝🏿🙏🏿

[@brumfeldo]

2nd apron is a blessing. Being able to accurately call that the warriors would be in the finals for about three straight years at the beginning of the season was no fun.

[@Luv_Sammy]

What do the warriors have to do with this. All you casuals act like golden state didn't draft their dynasty minus Durant.

[@nvm9040]

They were a excellent run franchise in those years Especially pre Kd

[@DeeJay_VII]

@@Luv_Sammythe crazy thing is no one could replicate what the warriors did they got lucky getting Durant cuz it happened at the perfect time

[@Aha_Bacon]

@@Luv_SammyHuh, I wonder why people would be angry about the greatest regular season team of all time getting the previous MVP

[@RyanPrindall]

Speak for yourself

[@Moonlitknight_BRASIL]

I usually never comment, but I have to say, I‘ve been watching every video of you guys since April 2023 and the consistency and quality is remarkable As a big football fan and also a big NBA fan who lives in Europe, it was very interesting how you guys over in the states feel about dynasties in the NBA. Especially because the reason I got so hooked by the NBA is it‘s great competitiveness when you‘re comparing it to the Bundesliga or the Premier League. Seeing Bayern München win the Bundesliga 11 times in a row is just boring.

[@shorewall]

I agree. I like these guys, but I disagree with their take on it. I love parity and competitiveness.

[@Infamous6091]

This is why players like Jalen Brunson are unsung heroes because he left over 100 million dollars so NYC can afford to get good players and not being punished by taxes❤ 11:33 love it big Star Wars fan as well and empire strikes back is my favourite one ❤

[@thebreakawayoperation]

I'm not really much of a basketball watcher. I just like watching videos on KZbin, but I remember hearing about the constant repeat finals match-ups and thinking that it made the NBA seem like a joke. How can you expect anyone to take the regular season seriously when the same teams make the finals every time?

[@christianwilson3853]

My worry is that it will fuck over teams that draft too well and force teams to only have a couple good players. Mid level role players are key to championships and now it’s near impossible to keep them on a team due to second apron

[@IUChn94GofDsDdNes7QD3lSEg]

As a uk fan of your channel, hearing y’all talk about football and being accurate brought a smile to my face

[@M_11_m41n]

I don't think it's a good idea because it sometimes punishes teams that want to build a consistent winning competitive product. It's good to spend money to compete, but there is a thing as wasting money. I don't think they should have added a second apron, but I think the salary cap and salary floor need to be fixed up a bit.

[@dorkasaurus_rex]

Good point!

[@MrRapmaster19]

Frankly, dynasties suck in the NBA as fans of individual teams. The way the NBA has been for the past 5 or so years has been infinitely better than the 5-10 years prior. Way more exciting and fun than seeing the same teams and players win over and over again

[@rawness19]

It’s not punishing well run teams at all. Those teams will adapt, that’s what makes them well run. Plus teams get punished down the line for bad contracts all the time, we call them bad contracts. All this does is stop teams like the suns from being formed without crippling themselves. KCP leaving Denver is just free agency being free agency.

[@shorewall]

For real, Denver shouldn't be able to resign KCP, and honestly, they might be better off. ANT bullied him, and that's their competition. Boston is an outlier, same with the Knicks, in trading for a starting 5 of borderline all stars. That is not sustainable, nor should it be. Boston has a 2-3 year window with their current team, and then they will need to get off of Holiday, get off of KP.

[@teeqx7361]

No bro it ruins competition. We could’ve had one of the best playoffs with elite teams, and instead we got weaker teams because boo hoo the owners are spending too much. It doesn’t translate to success look at the suns.

[@MistaP13]

The Clippers could have EASILY afforded to pay PG. They just chose not to. Steve Ballmer could buy the whole league if he wanted to.😂

[@yoosummadick3093]

Did you watch the video?

[@tdjkhazard4522]

Was that a Calvin and Hobbes reference at the start?? I LOVED those cartoons

[@TheWaffle64]

No, thank god teams have to think about actual team building instead of building super teams

[@407lnation5]

Facts

[@ubadman1]

Super teams were never common. This only effects teams that built thier team well What a casual take

[@rubaiyat300]

IDK, Denver and Minnie are both letting key players go because of it. Neither could possibly be described as superteams.

[@RyanAvellino18]

6:49 had me dying for a solid 5 minutes 💀💀💀

[@yungmu9271]

Coming from a British basketball fan I have to say your knowledge of football (soccer for you) is top notch. I did not expect that at all! Love the content!

[@noef9246]

I think it’s good they added the rule. Even if we don’t have a problem rn with dynasties, this will prevent it in the future rather than putting out a fire after it has started

[@wardrawk]

Yes. The NBA creates the supermax as a way to "help" keep the talent on medium/small markets, wich kind of forces the hand of a franchise if they have a an all star/all nba player to give him the super max, otherwise the player feels betrayed and leaves. Then they create the second apron with no time for teams to prepare, something that punishes you for using the supermax, a thing created to help you keep the talent. The Kat trade is not so much a result as the front office not beliving or any on court stuff. When the Gobert trade was made there was no second apron, the plan was different but the NBA has a great timing to change the rules out of the blue to fuck the wolves. The second apron is bad and comes like 5 years after it was needed. We have no more dynasties like the warriors, we already had a nice pairtity before it. If teams had at least 3 years to adapt maybe it would not be so bad, but changing the rules for no reason when a lot of franchises were planning their future sucks.

[@RandomUsersRandomAccount]

I disagree with you and here's why. The last great generation of players is on it's way out, we're seeing teams stockpile picks to form super teams of the future. Think of it like the NFL. You draft a player, pay them a rookie contract, and then you have to make a business decision to let them go or not. You're not supposed to keep all your drafted talent. You pay the superstars and you constantly rebuild around them. With a 15 man NBA roster, no more than 2 players should be paid a max contract and more players should be moving teams after their rookie deals. Instead you're seeing teams match offers for years and it stagnates player movement. Now teams really have to think if they want to commit to someone with a max contract and players will be forced to sign with other teams to get paid what they feel they deserve

[@shorewall]

@@RandomUsersRandomAccount 100%. Right now teams resign players that they don't want, so they don't lose the asset. 2nd apron changes that. Now teams can either trade the guy before hand, or let them walk in FA and test their value. I look forward to seeing how the market adjusts. There are some players who you can't let walk, like a good QB in the NFL. But most players are not that level. Randle and Ingram are not guys that you should worry about losing. You should worry about paying them a max and then being stuck. Just like Zach Lavine.

[@RandomUsersRandomAccount]

​@@shorewallexactly. Better role definition should come out of this. People have to swallow their pride and realize they're not worth the max, and bad franchises gotta learn they can't just hand out maxes just to anybody who wants one, that their current team won't give them. I mean the Pistons gave Drummond a max, the Timberwolves gave Gobert a max. People are saying that the Timberwolves are being punished because they drafted Kat and now he's gotta be traded because of the second apron. No, he's being traded to avoid the second apron because you gave Gobert a max he didn't deserve with a lot of traded picks too. They gambled to win a championship and they lost

[@wardrawk]

@@RandomUsersRandomAccount There are some good points there, i did not consider the future of OKC 200 picks and stuff like that, but to me that's solving a problem that we don't know if it will exist yet. I say this because the OKC market will be inflated, any team that deals with OKC will want a above average number of extra picks in a deal. And i don't know about stagnancy, basically every year we see a crazy big trade happen, just think on how the rosters were 5 or even 2 years ago. About the Wolves, they are getting punished because when they started to build the roster the second apron rules were not a thing. When Towns got a contract and when Gobert got traded (the jazz got Rudy the contract, not the wolves) the rules were different, and when you change the rules without any real notice you punish the teams that are trying to win, because if the wolves knew the second apron was coming in advance different move would have been made. And for the we should not give super contracts to players that not deserve it, sure i agree, but is more nuanced than that. Imagine your team has been bad for years and you finally get a all star talent you have been rebuilding for 20 years and now you are kind of competing... you don't pay the guy and now is back 3 squares. I'm not saying is the right thing or that is not a business, but has more to it than just numbers.

[@RandomUsersRandomAccount]

​@@wardrawkI truly believe that we'll see more talented players be moved for less money with these new rules. If bad teams are over paying to poach away talent from top teams that will at least keep them in check. But I think cheaper deals should be able to be done now. Like before you lost a rotation piece because a team offered him a max and you matched it or he walked. I think there's less of those max offers going forward from other teams, and I think there's less contract matching meaning more good players hit the market. I also fully believe the owners knew about the coming of the second apron far before any of us did. The T-Wolves pushed in all their chips to win a championship with Rudy Gobert but it didn't happen. Unfortunately Kat is their easiest to move asset. He's been there for 9 years. They can't move Gobert so now they play it out and reset with a young superstar in Anthony Edwards

[@maverickbragwell]

Pure intentions but it has given owners excuses to be cheap

[@JGSports-zb6qe]

Synthetic sports coming thru while I’m bored in class.

[@Bball-County]

Facts

[@jamesh7469]

9:10 You shouldn't think of the Nuggets as an up-and-coming roster getting broken up after 1 ring... They had a 5 year window with an affordable core cast of players and a top 3 player in the league, and now the bill has come due. They had the chance to capitalize on their early roster building for quite a while but then they shot themselves in the foot with the MPJ max contract and had bad injury luck 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@THE_BEAR_JEW]

Exactly. They unfortunately lost those 2 years entirely due to Murray's injuries and now the MPJ contract has really killed em.

[@the_o_man]

At least they still got a championship

[@jamesh7469]

@@THE_BEAR_JEW thank you bear jew

[@ranchosdelnorte]

I think a simple change that would solve many of the issues would be that for players that are on the team that drafted them, a percentage of their salary(say 10-20%) doesn't count towards the cap. This rewards teams for drafting well and building themselves internally. The way it is now, if you draft too many good players, you can't keep all of them if they are paid what they're worth. It's like you're being punished for having good talent scouts and development staff. The proposed partial cap exception would also give teams incentives to hold on to their drafted players, instead of giving up on them early.

[@sandybeachsean6880]

I am glad the NBA has this 2nd apron and parody is great. No one is making the teams sign players to max deals. They need to do their homework before signing the player(s) to that contract. Dynasties is boring and scripted like a movie that you know what’s already going to happen. If we continued dynasties then why have the league when all the other teams are setup to fail.

[@rubaiyat300]

Warriors hadn't had any kind of success for 30 years prior to starting their dynasty. They deserved a good run. Especially since the majority of their success was due to drafting and developing well. Same with the Spurs...though without the heartbreak. Importantly we haven't had a repeat champ in 5 years well before the 2nd apron. So it solves a problem that no longer exists. All the recent super teams that we wrung our hands about...the Nets, Clips, Suns, and Lakers together won a single chip. Now we're messing with teams built for the previous CBA that were in position to win now.

[@Tarquin2718]

You guys are awesome! I have had my doubts about 2nd apron, now def.

[@robingronwald7993]

As a European football fan, I grew up with the relegation system, due to the fact, that we have nothing like a draft or a college systems, the clubs produce talent in their own academies which causes differences in terms of who can actually keep their talents. Florian Wirtz for example was a youth prospect from cologne which Bayer Leverkusen bought away, because Leverkusen has more money. European football just needs a salary cap and more evenly spread money, there is simply not enough money for the small clubs to grow

[@technicallythecenteroftheu1349]

The ironic things is, even though there's no salary cap in baseball, there's arguably more parity. The last team to repeat was the Yankees threepeat from 98-2000, and the closest things to a dynasty since has been the Giants (3 in 5 years from 2010 to 2014) and it's been a decade since that's happened.

[@chrisuncleahmad789]

We need a Synthetic Sports video on 2006 Mavs/Spurs, the best 2nd round series ever

[@shmackee4129]

EARLY ASF, love the content boys, you guys are a great watch during my meals🙏🏼

[@brandongordon2392]

Yes.. in practice it’s a good idea.. but the issue is, that in the future, it will punish teams that build their team naturally and by development purposes, eventually those teams like the Thunder will have to give up assets, unless players decide to take less money, which rarely happens.. The only way the system can be broken is if sacrifices are made by the players and that’s the way to beat the second apron

[@Nut_Kun]

Oh, didn’t expect you guys know about football (actual football one) this much. Tottenham fan here.

[@ethansmith4503]

Same, they started talking about Burnley and FFP and I was like "Oh shit they're like actual fans"

[@mikeoxlong442]

Imagine bottling a 2-0 lead at half time against Brighton

[@Nut_Kun]

@@mikeoxlong442 i dont need to imagine, i witnessed it

[@mikeoxlong442]

@@Nut_KunMy condolences

[@nocap9382]

The only thing i would change about it is to provide SOME leniancy to teams that paid the players they drafted (my favorite player is Jokic and i love the Nuggets as a team so myb i am biased). It sucks to see them build smartly and be punished for it. I guess it is subjective wether giving that contract to MPJ was smart but its not like 3rd options arent getting bags across the league. We will have to wait until the next CBA to see if such leniancy will be provided. But after all, as much as it did hurt to see Bruce Brown and KCP walk, the NBA is in an overall great position despite that glaring issue i have with the 2nd apron.

[@marcus_jb]

2:58 W Justice League Unlimited reference

[@gabrielfraga1742]

As a non-American sports fan, this system of parity... is great. We should have it on football over here, BUT not having relegation is Just offensivie, it's absurd

[@trillaf437]

Super good topic for a video that I think more nba people should be talking about more

[@Ahad_Samad]

The 2nd apron acts just as a plausible excuse for owners to be cheap

[@vulcanraven9701]

No it exists to benefit the big market teams. Players staying loyal to team who drafted them should be awarded with contracts relatively bigger than what they'd get in free agency and teams shouldn't be punished for drafting well.

[@matthiasmackey83]

Why is there Bo3 Zombies at 10:34 😂

[@ayMyst]

😂😂

[@PV24]

I can't deny how accurate y'all were when you said the dynasties were a more fun time. You'd literally go into each season wondering who can take down whoever the juggernaut is, but I also like seein new blood in the finals.

[@yoofij4724]

As an English guy, it's so trippy to hear Americans talk about Manchester United and the prem, or even other teams.

[@mikieedwards28]

The apron is gonna limit dynasties and dynasties are typically big market teams so it was done to help smaller markets. We’ll see how it works in practice

[@the_o_man]

Well considering 3 of the last 6 NBA Champions were small market teams, it's probably working

[@yt_clazify]

Y'know what's funny, the whole reason the suns are in this situation is because the wizards old gm gave Bradley Beal a no trade clause 😭😭

[@nevilleachero8054]

Their problem started when they got rid of Cam and Bridges.

[@ahgrr7411]

im actually at a point where i enjoy watching the nba again, also due to the fact that the competition is so fierce again. I could not say which team will win the 25 championship, also the east is finally strong again with the knicks, 76rs, indy and ofc celtics. THe west is also stacked with OKC, Mavs, Nuggest and Wolves. So excited for the new season

[@DeVaughnTaylor]

As someone that doesn’t have a hometown/favorite team, I’m all for this. I dislike dynasties, I wasn’t watching the NBA during the Warriors/Cavs back-and-forth bc it was boring. These changes are in response to the super team era that we’re luckily out of, the league felt stagnant. I’m all for a more competitive league. Y’all talkin about “punishing well run teams” when half of them were over the limit any way? Idk, these takes sound whiney. Surprising coming from Blazers fans 😂 (all of this in love)

[@mastertyx9370]

I understand what you guys are saying and it’s very valid…I wish that there would be an exception only for teams who properly draft their superstars and would get a reduction if they are in the 2nd apron…I would just say that it’s about budgeting your team and not taking on bad contracts and overpaid players

[@dustinb1359]

I respect the opinion, but I disagree. I've never been more plugged into the NBA than I have been the last few seasons. During the super team eras, I could simply not care about 26 or so teams because they would not matter in the end. Now, I feel like the excitement is cranked up with more teams legitimately trying, and more games have seeding and playoff implications.

[@kevinvelez3582]

Bruh I went to a basketball video to avoid how embarrassing my team Manchester United is playing just for you guys to roast them here LMAOOOOO 😭😭😭😭

[@rodrigoruivo5127]

you can never escape man utd lol

[@MrBubblecake]

Paying 220,000,000 for one season and still getting less than 50 wins is crazy 😂

[@charlesfranczyk3458]

The 2nd apron does not punish teams for being good, it does not punishing teams for spending money, it punishes teams for IRRESPONSIBLE spending. in the modern era, you will have to build rosters MUCH more deliberately if you want to compete. The apron killed teams being able to spend to win, it emphasizes scouting and talent evaluation. The Suns deserve to rot for taking on the Beale contract, as it is a legitimate insult to the sport for that guy to make that much money. I dont love franchise superstars making supermaxes, but i understand why. There's no rationalizing the contract growth of the 4-7th spots on rosters today. Those guys don't generate wealth congruent with their rising contract values.

[@MarcoACto]

The thing is if you just want to give a mid contract to your very important role player, another bottom team is willing to give him the max, so if you want a chip you obviously will overpay said role player.

[@shorewall]

@@MarcoACto Or let him walk. Who wants to give Julius Randle a max? Who wants to give Brandon Ingram a max? Who wants to trade for Trae Young? Maxes should be for players who can be a number 1. It isn't a common courtesy to just give a player the max, just because they are the best player on the team.

[@MarcoACto]

@@shorewall I agree with you. But then you see that the first team who was being reasonable ends up punished by losing his role player?

[@MarcoACto]

@@shorewall Another example: Ayton wanted a max but PHX knew he wasn't worth it. But because Indiana offered him a max, the Suns had to pay him to keep him because there were no other great centers available and the chip window would close immediatly if they let wim walk. I'm not defending it but it's complicated

[@RandomUsersRandomAccount]

​@@MarcoACtothat's why you draft a replacement to be ready when he walks. If you overpay for mediocrity you're never going anywhere. The Trailblazers will stink as long as Ayton is there getting paid

[@FicoIsHere]

7:20 holy shit when did Jxmy Highroller show up as a guest

[@michaeltalksanime]

What baffles me is that to prevent star players from leaving a mid level market team in free agency, the NBA...created a rule that forces a star player or beloved player to leave a mid level market by trade. Make it make sense.

[@brandoncoreas6794]

You guys are probably the only ppl in Portland that know ball ⚽️ cheers to you guys 🎉

[@ubadman1]

Players you DRAFT should be exempt somehow. The owners got mad at the warriors and in effect destroyed anyones chances to ever have a dynasty.

[@Coreyy12]

I need to know what CJ was thinking when he agreed to this new CBA. If a team is spending money on their own drafted players in free agency, what are they supposed to do? Let em walk cuz “Oh well the cheaper New Orleans or Detroit owners aren’t happy because we’re taking care of our own players we srafted and developed.” Golden State, Boston, Minnesota drafted their key players or made smart traded to acquire key pieces but now will be punished for spending to keep them cuz the term “spending” seems to have no context

[@mikeoxlong442]

‘It’s a somewhat depressing fact about football that budgets correlate almost directly with points tallies league finishes and ultimately trophies’-HITC Sevens The 2nd apron wants to prevent this happening-only time will tell if it actually works

[@SamuelHydeker]

My only issue with this as I see it is it punishes teams if they don't screw over their players if the team is an actually successful one, you either have to get rid of players that helped build your success or you have to get them to play for less than they might be worth

[@jalenjohnson0339]

Right now I don’t mind it because it does gives owners and GMs to actually think and how to spend the money to build actual rosters I sort of feel bad for the Nuggets because even though they weren’t a super team they lost a lot of talent because they couldn’t afford to keep the players they had and they didn’t build a super team

[@darinvandenborn7278]

It would be cool seeing players sticking around with teams and building something. Less trades could be alright .

[@Hdb77778]

6:58 bit off topic but what do you guys think of this? Relegation has a big impact on football and sometimes the race to avoid relegation is more exciting than the title race. Do you think introducing more leagues and relegation could make the NBA more exciting?

[@taylormead5597]

Portsmouth FC mentioned my day is made PUP

[@kraftyknee3165]

Hot take I actually like the idea because I don’t like dynasties imo

[@thelastvbuck]

Idk what rule could fix the Denver or Minnesota situation where their drafted players have to get gone etc, but surely someone at the nba offices can figure something out.

[@jakeoliveira5086]

the suns finally got rid of their broke, racist owner & got someone with real money that wants to support the team, trade for Kevin Durant, & then like 4 months later, this shit comes out. timing is brutal for phoenix fans that just escaped the sarver dark ages.

[@urbaindelva7869]

Trading for KD was a risk before this new CBA. It arguably should not have happened. James Jones didn't want to make that trade, but Ishbia forced it through.

[@jameskreisler6083]

Ben loves the Knicks and Liverpool?????? GOAT

[@methos4866]

Personally speaking i like it. Parity keeps things exciting. Dynasties are boring.

[@THERobertL2000]

I agree.

[@KaliseRenn]

The visual puns are hilarious.

[@THERobertL2000]

1:18 Klay Thompson in a Mavericks uniform. That is a strange sight.

[@nvm9040]

I don’t mind the new CBA and it’s aprons which leads to better built teams and smarter trades or singings but this decade will soon be like the league in the 70s when there is no dynasty and the talent is more spread out

[@isaacdagoat2169]

It’s ironic that they wanted to have small market teams have a chance against large market teams yet the small market teams also can’t keep teams together

[@AirRusher1992]

The second apron should be something like sending a message to those who are either teams that go all in to contend for a title or simply rich owners who don't give a crap about the luxury tax. Still, losing KAT definitely sucks if you're the Timberwolves.

[@skyfly911]

cod zombies Easter Egg as a little easter egg within the video, nice

[@DWonYT]

I think the push of the new CBA is to incentivize good drafting, which the crazy influx of talent is at its all time highest right now. Not to mention fight off the advantage of owners who are willing to pay. Idunno I’m sick of the dynasties who add a superstar after 1 or 2 rings and runaway with the league. Then again that could just be the rockets fan in me.

[@mzwandilencube7800]

I feel like the cba should’ve only had restrictions for teams that acquire players through free agency and trades. Punishing franchises that draft and develop players makes no sense imo because isn’t that what every franchise should be doing?

[@andylee9251]

Yes. CJ McCollum was on some bullshit when he negotiated that. Ironically it’ll make it harder for teams to keep talent, with super max contracts etc nowadays no one can afford it.

[@Kagnis1]

I hadn't thought of this until just about the end of the video, but with all the different restrictions and how you can and will trade do you think that this will mean a lot more high-end role players and stars end up becoming free agents? Or just more even player for player trades?

[@ernestaddo9578]

Finally, they are talking about football. Also the jab at Ten hag is priceless. Also those leagues are called farmers leagues

[@leebone1]

I would have thought the solution to creating parity would have been expansion teams

[@TheFrostbite324]

The problem with the second apron is the NBA wanted to punish the big markets when in reality they should’ve found a way to reward the small markets who built good teams.

[@alexkramer7049]

Cant believe i saw Tottenham in a synthetic sport video🤣

[@kenten2063]

And as a person who likes basketball, I don’t like dynasties I like seeing the whole league being competitive that’s why I don’t watch baseball because they don’t have a cap or anything either

[@taktful39]

Some percentage of salaries from players you drafted shouldn’t count against the cap. Reward teams for drafting well and good player development.

[@bobe1917]

I’m 50/50. Like I love dynasties and all that, but hate how I’m recent years players have been forcing themselves out of situations as soon as it hits the fan . So maybe it won’t be as easy for them

[@Drejitsu316]

Maybe they should add that players you drafted don’t get counted towards the 2nd apron. I hate that KAT is now gone because of that.

[@tvariuness]

lmaooo @ the "joker 2" shot hahahaaa

[@thechannelformerlyknownasp8111]

I think it’s a great thing, but it does feel like an effort to drive down the cost of stars in the NBA. If they want to keep winning, some stars will have to pick between getting paid or getting wins. It’s both good and bad, overall.

[@MrBubblecake]

This is another rule that proves the NBA will do anything for more money. The NBA SuperTRAP contract had the same goal, keeping stars on bad teams, instead of allowing them to switch to a better team after their rookie contract expires. It’s essentially a bribe in the form of millions to stay on the bad team that drafted you, when you have every other reason to want to leave, and we might never see a star turn it down due to how unpredictable NBA futures are, the NBA knows 99% of players will take the extra money to keep losing because it’s just basketball at the end of the day. It only benefits owners who draft a star, and fail to build a good team around them, and robs 31 other fan bases of ever seeing that player on a championship caliber team until they’re injury riddled or past their prime. Just to keep the spotlight on bad teams with incompetent owners. I think the NBA is just afraid of a situation similar to what happened with the Patriots in the NFL (20 years of dominance that pissed off a lot of other fanbases) and the warriors dynasty amplified those fears and now the “parody rules” are overkill. Personally I think the NBA just needs to accept that every decade or so, there’s gonna be a team that makes enough good moves in a row to become a dynasty, and it’s just part of the game. I like what you said about everyone rooting against the Warriors because that’s exactly how it was with the Patriots dynasty. Even though everyone hates the Patriots, their SBs were some of the most watched SBs of all time because people tuned in to root against them, NBA needs to stop trying so hard to break up good teams, and just let them become the “villains” for other fans (fans of the bottom feeding teams) to root against.

[@pimpnamedslickback7780]

The 2nd apron creates an nfl style hard cap without the ability to restructure contracts

[@lolpaperz5030]

The 2nd apron should have a rule that doesnt affect players drafted by the team they are in.

[@sama2086]

I feel pretty alone in this but I really don't miss the dynasties and I really do like the 2nd apron and the parity it is enforcing 🤷‍♂️

[@lastWilla]

I fuck with yall but why are you mentioning Manchester United I use basketball as an escape from my teams dreadful on pitch performance

[@Redstorm1220]

As a scouser, I didn’t expect or knew you were Liverpool fans

[@ethanennis8]

Just like the super max, it fucks over small market teams, who it was created to support

[@shorewall]

The 2nd apron is the only thing that can stop big teams from spending.