Is the Starlancer TAC overpowered?

[@golgoth74]

you are still one of my favorite SC content streamer. Salute

[@ZyvhurStudios]

Thank you so much! o7

[@LuluGamingDK]

No, it's not overpowered. It fits within its role as a medium size attack ship. That's like trying to say the corsair is overpowered. The star lancer is bigger.. Has more weapons.. People just don't like the fact that there is competition in the medium category now.😅

[@charliemcawesome5012]

100% agree. There’s a lot of little beech trees regarding the ships getting balanced now. The Corsair NEEDED to be brought in line with game dynamics. The TAC requires 7 (SEVEN) to bring all that firepower to bear. It’s not over powerful. It’s normal and about average for firepower per person.

[@TokonF]

@@charliemcawesome5012As a corsair owner I agree! The Corsair was never meant to be a gun boat but is marketed as an explorer. Through I wish the guns got downsized rather then having taken two away from the pilot.

[@XShadowAngel]

@@TokonF In the lore, Drake isn't allowed to make military vehicles, so they give them designations that are kind of other than intended. The Corsair's an obvious pirate ship gunboat, but they can;t label it that so they labeled it an explorer. Same reason the Cutlass Black, a very obvious medium fighter, is labeled as a freight ship.

[@000NULL]

It’s as cheap as a 400 it’s overpowered

[@N0V-A42]

​@@XShadowAngel A medium fighter with cargo space for the loot from the person you just pirated.

[@ArcaneWorkshop]

The Starlancer TAC appears to have door guns too, if you look closely at the right side of the image that shows the drop seats area.

[@Vioblight]

Very cool it’s a drop ship Those are prbly size 0 anti personal guns right?

[@ArcaneWorkshop]

@@Vioblight I'm not sure, it's just a concept image so hopefully they won't remove them. I guess we can look at the Anvil Valkyrie's and Cutlass Steel's door guns, and draw conclusions from those, as to the weapon size.

[@Frank-os6gq]

Definitely not overpowered, its main advantage is its main disadvantage. It has lots of turret coverage but not much overlap. And its very manpower intensive.

[@ukrje]

I wouldn´t say that the redeemer got nerfed, more like.. It got put into a different role overall. It´s now an SuperHeavy Fighter, a Deamon of Death against all kinds of other fighters. The TAC is for me, like a mini M2, in terms of role.

[@schlagzahne6741]

Then the a2 comes rolling in with room for a tank, nursa, bombs and loads of turrets.

[@Vioblight]

Strong but high crew count to maximize it

[@TheMandalore6]

I just stumbled across your stuff over the past few days man. I like it! I am pumped on the Tac and really interested to get my hands on it. I like your analysis.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

Thank you!

[@charactersmoreorthree]

I melted for the TAC to fill the void until the Odyssey is released. Then I discovered only the MAX's release date was announced, not the TAC. Then again, I wouldn't be a SC player if I weren't accustomed to waiting.

[@InTVS]

yup, most people dont know that the TAC is not even in production, that ship is years away lol

[@Astelch]

@@InTVS it'll most likely released at most in 2026. Since they'll have to work on odyssey assets anyway it might even be released next year.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

Yes there's predictions that its the Silhouette from CitCon so at least hopefully some time next year

[@briangueringer3673]

The Starlancer series is just so slow. 110 SCM with the M2 having 160 and the Constellation 200. That's going to be thing to think about.

[@patricjohansson9064]

i like the tac

[@ZyvhurStudios]

me too :)

[@WildAce001]

I think when it comes to redeemer vs tac, the redeemer is trading firepower for its size and likely speed/maneuverability. You are looking at a ship that is half the length of the TAC but has same size shielding. So assuming they balance it's speed and agility compared to the TAC, the TAC having more firepower or more utility balances out.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

Yes maneuverability is a great point

[@WildAce001]

@ZyvhurStudios same for in atmosphere flight characteristics, redeemer likely better for rapid insertion of a small small team getting the ship in and out as fast as possible. Compared to the TAC likely being a bit more of a lumbering giant at the drop zone

[@ivanshiek]

That is the business model: to make the new ship overpowered and then nerf it to oblivion when the next ship is revealed. They have to make it enticing.

[@njasicko]

Thanks for your time making these videos fellow backer.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

No problem :) o7

[@ronelicabandi9706]

Starlancer tac isn't going to do ert bounties with ease solo, its going to need at least 3 people. You're right, lancer tac is more comparable to M2 starlifter than corsair. M2 can still do what tac can do you'll just need to set up nursa and stub in cargo. For me lancer tac is a forward base/heavy dropship. If I ever get one, its best use is sieging heavily fortified bunkers. For ERT bounties and heavy space combat, I'd still take Andromeda. With 3 people in Andromeda, its going to hit really hard. Make it 4 and there's a stub for additional support. Plus its turret coverage is just phenomenal. Edit: just wanna add if ever they try to nerf lancer tac. Its probably just downsizing it size 5 guns. Also I hope they make its broadside gun able to shoot forward, if its coverage is just ground and sides, people are gonna be disappointed.

[@ZyvhurStudios]

I agree! and I think the turrets might have similar range to the corsairs side ones

[@heathmorris6100]

The starlancer tac is 100% not overpowered. Its pretty much in its own field. Not really anything can be a true competitor for it. Less pilot firepower than a connie and less cargo than a c2, caterpillar, or connie taurus but with more firepower than a redeemer and significantly larger than connies, redeemer, and corsair. It also has the same crew requirements as a hammerhead or perseus and its nowhere close to the combat capabilities as those dedicated ships

[@JadedMantis13]

Redeemer lost its shields as well. If they only dropped the guns I would have kept the Redeemer.

[@TemplarGuardian]

I get similar heat about being a ship salesman, when I really just like to talk about the ships. I'm tempted to do a vid about what makes these ship releases so exciting, I get that too. It's not an expansion and generally doesn't add more gameplay, but can and will vary gameplay. Trying to pin down the driver behind the excitement we get from new ships. Congrats on 2K!

[@ZyvhurStudios]

Thank you so much, talking about ships is just so interesting but it can be a double edge sword, I feel like I might do little disclaimers more in the future.

[@TemplarGuardian]

@ I think it’s a good idea and I may copy your homework on that and just let folks know that they can buy it or not based on if it fits their fleet and needs.

[@briangueringer3673]

They also need to redo the real money on the store. Old ships are way to expensive.

[@nerdglider]

Pretty good analysis, I think when the Val came out CIG wasn’t too sure about the scale of things so I hope it gets a rework

[@Acklend]

The tac is a mini carrack

[@ZyvhurStudios]

Yes lol

[@recoandmidnight1555]

How i somewhat look at the tac. Is basically the poor man’s Polaris lol 😂. Funny but if you think about it. It kinda is.

[@GreatWolfBalistic]

I have no doubt they will balance it eventually. also this is a concept sale price so for the price to go up by potentially $50 i think its a reasonable for where it will be positioned in the $300 dollar mark. i will upgrade to the ship once i see what max looks like in the ptu. I imagine it will be tanky and slow which i am use to with corsair for latter part.

[@azntactical4884]

I only got the starlancers because im a fan of the freelancers.

[@ninetalesxyo8842]

Its over powered to seem great for that $300 sale... then next year it wont be the case. Classic CIG

[@paulyskidda387]

It’s not going to be easy to find a lot of people to crew a TAC would take 6-7. I think people would rather pile in a Polaris or Perseus

[@comicmoniker]

I don't think the TAC is overpowered. I do think the Redeemer ended up underpowered, and hope they tweak it back up a bit. IMO, the biggest problem with the balancing of the Redeemer is that CIG still wants to factor in the "dropship" element, when pretty much everyone else doesn't care about that and just wants it to be a gunship. If they just delete the dropseats and bump some other things, I seriously doubt they'd get significant pushback

[@Helstren]

I had the redeemer forever. I was bumbed about the most recent changes. I loaded it out last week and wanted to daily drive it till IAE else I'd melt/ccu it. Anyway after a few week so far... it's agility is like a Vanguard now. It's fire power with just another person is decent, and solo is OK depending on missions. It's shields seem like paper now. All in all flying it these past 2 weeks... it will survive IAE. It isn't as bad as I was reading. Just a rando's 2 cents.

[@comicmoniker]

@Helstren I appreciate the first hand account! I haven't flown one so I can only go off of what I hear and how it compares to other ships in the paper specs. Flight handling is a much more intangible quality so it's easily missed. On paper, I would be inclined to agree that it should get its second shield back. Right now there's a disconnect between it's stated role and lore reputation, and its actual capabilities. But maybe that would make it *too* hard to kill if it's too agile?

[@AreaTera]

This game dead brov - They need to focus more on gameplay than on features - Stability and welcoming new players over creating new ships.

[@andreichiuzbaian147]

So much speculations about such a speculative tech demo

[@3DzEXPLOSION]

MISC will fly like a brick anyway. Misc visor enjoyers are almost as bad as drake wire lovers 😏

[@ZyvhurStudios]

Almost lol

[@Bruce_Warren]

🤪No Cutlass Steel🤣

[@ZyvhurStudios]

LOL

[@InTVS]

the problem with the TAC is that is not in production, the MAX will release this AEI, then next year the BLD, but the TAC is not being work on at all, i think if you are betting on the TAC, you better wait a long time lol

[@N0V-A42]

I think you got the TAC and BLD backwards. The TAC was sold as concept with potentially being flyable in 2025. The BLD was announced but not sold so its likely not coming till base building is coming and base building is probably two years away minimum.

[@InTVS]

@@N0V-A42 you are right about the concepts, but in the ship reveals for the next year, you can see the BLD, not the tac on display, so the TAC is not in production while the BLD is going to be developed for next year

[@N0V-A42]

​@@InTVS I just see a Starlancer with no clear distinction which one it could be. Also the presenter said that the ships shown were some of vehicles that they plan to work on in the next twelve months so a vehicle not being on that list doesn't mean it is not being worked on.

[@Mace1000S]

A company can balance up instead of nerf. CIG never really wants to sell us a really good ship. If the did the would make ships that are truly bad ass. They make nice looking ships that are ok but not great.

[@LuluGamingDK]

It's easier to nerf within balance, then it is to buff within balan.. Keep in mind that they can't have smaller and medium size attack. Ships going after capital ships with ease. The a I is one thing, but players, our completely differen. To buff ships, they would have to also add in more components. Guns and add-ons to keep making the ships at the higher tier stronger. When it's just easier to deboff, or nerf a ship to make sure that it's not too strong against existing or future ships to come to the game. This also lowers the development time on areas of the game that don't need. Because again, keep in mind. Increasing A ship's combat strength also means they have to increase higher tier combat strengths of capital ships and to do that, they have to develop more and better components, shields and weapons.To compensate for lower tier ships getting stronger. When they already have development going into that inside of the blueprint, crafting for ships and components coming.

[@Mace1000S]

@ or nerf a ship to make sure your new ship is best in class. And I would be ok with then taking the hard road since they’ve made over 400 million on ships. Maybe the easy road is a little ungrateful and lazy.

[@Mace1000S]

A lot of times I make comments like this to get people thinking.

[@paulyskidda387]

Not Op.

[@Brian-us2xz]

"We decided to move control of the fire control to fire the gun to a bathroom stall to encourage multi crew"

[@andreichiuzbaian147]

love how u call turrets turds 💩

[@levridge6601]

CiG ships are ALWAYS OP when they launch a concept sell... literally to make the most money.. they nerf them ALL over time.

[@vik12D]

Of course it's overpowered, its for sale. Wait until it's released. Then look at it again when the ship designed to compete with it goes on sale.

[@miszionX]

If it is, CIG will nerf it eventually. Old habits die hard...

[@heathmorris6100]

If something is overpowered it should be nerfed. That's how game balance works

[@derek9063]

Yes it’s overpowered, but don’t worry they well sell another overpowered ship in a couple months later and nerf this one.

[@Acklend]

I never thought the corsair was over powered it was perfect but now it's dead I really don't think it was a good idea what they did think lost forward fire power they don't like solo players is what it is

[@ZyvhurStudios]

Yeah I think some people would have rather them size the guns down one than split them up

[@Mace1000S]

Yes it is for about 3 months until they nerfs it to junk. Or a new ship that competes with it comes out and they nerf the old ship to sell the new ship.