Is The Taylormade M5 Pointless? Dustin Johnson Wins With The Taylormade M6 Driver!

[@danmonahan6873]

DJ is literally one of the best players on the planet he can use literally any driver he wants from any company and will smash them all the same

[@AlexanderMacleod]

This is Indoor. DJ played in strong windz on a couole of the days. So perhaps the M6 is better in the wind? Maybe an on course test will clear that up 🤔

[@terrybrett6164]

James can you do a review on the new prov1 and tp5 on course and inside with different clubs. Keep the great videos coming loving them.

[@bmos212]

M5 is having carbon issues cracking on the bottom near the center track, so I went with M6

[@chrisshotton9839]

Biggest thing I noticed James is how much better your backswing looks than 3 months ago...good effort mate.

[@markellis3110]

I was fitted for my F9 and the shaft changes made such a difference I couldn't believe it. One minute everything right, then the next pretty straight consistently 👍

[@mikebest634]

Holy Hell ,shaft changes making a difference ,that cant be right ,I'm getting in touch with Crossfield about this .

[@markellis3110]

@@mikebest634 always one smart arse !!

[@mikebest634]

@@markellis3110 Being sarcastic mate , I'm a big beliver in shafts making a difference ,got fitted for one too ,Diamana blue board 65 x ,made a massive difference and got it in the TS2 now .The crossfield comment was having a go at him for talking bollox on shafts ,come to think of it he talks bollox on most things .

[@JonnyRobbo22]

Surely the benefit of the weights is so you can help address fade or draw tendencies. We all don’t hit it out of the sweet spot like DJ

[@kashmere1717]

Love your videos, and I know lots of people like the F9 including me, kicked my M3 out of the bag, would love to see a review when you get a hold of one.

[@wallstreetoneil]

If you are using an M5 to generate 2700 spin versus and M6 to generate 2500 spin then it is 100% pointless and not optimal to give up a more forgiving M6 club, to play the M5. Three years ago, most of the Taylormade sponsored players used the 2016 M2. Why? Because it delivered 2200 spin and it was more forgiving. The M5 does allow you to put one of the weights into the Fade setting (or both if you need it I guess), but that can also be partly done partly with the Adjustable Sleeve settings - but the weight in the TOE of the club is used by many of the tour guys to prevent overdrawing the ball. With the right shaft and a little bit of hotmelt to get the spin number he wants, not surprised at all on DJ's choice as he is a fader of the driver with his swing path so there is no need to use anything but the most forgiving driver.

[@rodneygreenwell7620]

Hi James... I think the new format is awesome it's a real breath of fresh air to see a PGA PRO act like a clown rather than do serious reviews... Keep up the good work .... But you might need a new introduction try and mix in some music from say the 3 stooges or laurel and hardy......

[@austenwagoner4232]

Just ordered the m6 today with the hazrdus smoke 70g 6.5 flex shaft. Spin numbers were averaging about 2500 rpms and dispersion was much better than the m5. It was a no brainer

[@stiwigabrielcourage7634]

There is a huge differens, in your test 5 out of 10 shots are within the target area with the M5, that goes up to 7 out of 10 with the M6. So for a round of golf, hitting 7 fairways instead of 5, equals 2/3 less shots. For a pro, that can be the difference between winning and 6th. place. So I would say that hitting 2 more fairways, is better the 6 yards longer. Therefore the M6 is the winner of the test. 😉

[@JamesRobinsonGolf]

Like it! Lol

[@jamiegrant7818]

Exactly why I have gone M6

[@golfinglife610]

For real I have no clue who I have the m5 in my bag tbh! I mess with the damn weights and still can't hit it near what my m2 went! Crazy game! I'm switching to ither the m6 or I'm going for the G410 plus! Ping drivers always treat me well.

[@rodneygreenwell7620]

I've a little tip for you try using a left handed loft sleeve it will flatten the shaft as little and will help you eliminate the left miss.....

[@tommiethatcher7265]

I really enjoyed that test and I would love to see you do the same test with the Callaway drivers Looking forward to seeing you hit these bad boys out on the course when the weather improves

[@brinaylor385]

The thing with your pros is that you could put a 2001 driver in their bag and they'd still hit it 300+. Tiger was hitting his Nike Ignite driver well over 300 yards in 2004 so for Tour Pros I'd say a lot of new drivers are pointless so it mainly comes down to how much they're getting paid to use them. Justin Rose being a prime example in he now uses the Honma driver when he doesn't need to.

[@robmatthews4680]

That lesson with Chris Ryan looks like it helped. Swing is looking good!

[@chrishooper9173]

This is a very similar situation to the original M1 & M2 when a lot of players were using the m2 instead of m1

[@richardsdiaz1]

Well! This didn't go the way I was expecting! I was sure the M5 would blow away the M6 in your hands. That wasn't really the case, though. Still, a win is a win! Round one goes to the M5 by a nose! This was interesting, though, and it raises more questions. I'd like to see you get custom fit for both the M5 & M6 to see what numbers you can squeeze out of them both. I'm pretty confident that your best numbers with each club would require entirely different shafts in each. I look forward to seeing a fitting in the future! Someone asked about the weight of the heads. There honestly isn't much in it. They both weigh around 200g as did the M3/M4 according to TM. if anyone wants exact numbers on the M3 and M5: M3: 197g M5: 196.5g adapter: 8g I couldn't find exact numbers on the M4/M6. Anyone have them?

[@richardsdiaz1]

I'm still not convinced I need to give up my TS3, though! Maybe the Cobra will change my mind.... :0)

[@MrMark945]

@@richardsdiaz1 oooo ts3...fell in love the first time I hit it...wont let it go now

[@markushayes]

Gotta admit I wasn’t very happy with this videos title when I first seen it since I got the M5 driver and 3 wood last week but feel much better after watching it!

[@johnbusst1739]

I think you said it before Honma TW 747 460 Rose driver great dispersion and similar distance

[@chgoalie31]

i just did a full fitting with both drivers and the m5 performed much better for me than the m6 regarding spin and dispersion. moving the weights on the m5 made significant changes to my spin and ball flight, and this cant be done with the m6. i definitely wouldn't agree that it is pointless.

[@tyler3lee978]

Have you done a test with weight adjustments on the M5 yet to see how much the shot shape changes? If not are you going to?

[@edmc4315]

I agree with the other people your swing has really improved more on plane, you should do a comparison video of your old swing versus the new. Also would like to see the most forgiving driver ever built G400 Max optimized to your swing with the best shaft for you and see the results versus a stock shaft in it.

[@JamesRobinsonGolf]

Great idea mate :)

[@Jeremy_Walker]

I'm thinking about it, because it has massive adjust-ability with weights. I like to tinker... this is a game after all and it's part of my fun. I have been trying different shaft lengths and it's very difficult to keep swing weight the same. With this, I'm thinking I can tweak the shaft lengths and maintain a proper swing weight rather easily without permanently modifying the head.

[@darrenmiller1981]

If you must have one, go for the M6 and spend the extra dough on either lessons or a custom shaft that you’re fitted into...

[@andyran]

So I went to buy a m5, had a epic flash on test, ended up trying everything in the shop and ended up with an m4!! Saved my self £250 and the m4 was best overall than everything for me! The m6 wasnt any better, the epic flash maybe 5 yards..... but not worth £250 more

[@nickfurnessgolf2197]

The M5 worked better for me as I tend to spin the ball a lot.

[@NomadJoe0323]

DJ was all over the place that final round in Saudi Arabia though. So I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t go back to the M5 at Pebble Beach this week.

[@KingSadim]

I've owned the standard G400, the G400 Max and now I use the G400 LST (low spin version). I find the LST to be more accurate and a lot longer in distance. This goes against what DJ has done so I suspect the variable here is the shaft and how it compliments your particular swing. I use a Hazardous 6.0 despite having 120+ swing speed, the 6.5 was just erratic for me.

[@gearbox1858]

KingSadim never ever have I heard of a stiffer shaft being more erratic than a weaker shaft. Impossible. You might want to try again. 120 mph should not be using stiff. TX or X...

[@KingSadim]

@@gearbox1858 I always test my drivers before buying on an actual driving range, never use machines. A good example is my latest driver, the Epic Flash which I purchased 3 weeks ago. Tried the standard stiff, didn't like it, tried the 65g XStiff and didn't like it. Tried the Tensei stiff which is a heavy shaft and it was way better with 70-80% swing speeds (which is my norm now I'm 45 y/o). Also purchased the Tensei XStiff at 78g which allows for 100% swing speeds albeit with less accuracy. It depends on the course I'm in other words. I always use the same Pro for my drivers, he scratches his head too, I will say it is mostly heavy stiff shafts I get on with. I think it has something to do with the kick point rather than the rigidity of the shaft but I'm no expert that's for sure.

[@lew536]

Got to the remember with that strong grip, shaft lean and upward attack angle. DJ will have quite a low spin loft and perhaps wants a little bit of extra spin to help him hit more fairways and keep his rare bad misses from flying further offline, M5 in the ideal shaft for him might just be too low spinning to do the job out on tour through the ideal launch window

[@MooreorlessGolf]

I’ve always gone for the adjustable TM because I liked the idea of being able to change the weights. I don’t think it makes a huge difference though as once in place I never changed the setting!

[@davidfish2447]

How does the m5 + 6 compare to the m2, I’ve got the m2 and find it awesome. If it’s not working, it me not the driver. Is it possible to be more accurate with the 5 or 6. Straight is straight no matter what. I just wonder if distants would increase?

[@gauravsyal3469]

Well kind of ironic now that DJ won the Saudi International with an M6 and then won the Mexico Championship with an M5, the constant was that he used the same spec Fujikura shaft on both drivers :)

[@matthewmccorkel42]

Funny, how people forget that pro’s used to game tm burner drivers vs the R7, r9, R11series. If my Memory serves me correctly DJ used to play a burner driver too!

[@svenhallauer3229]

Not sure if you notices James, but Dustin put the M5 back into play in Mexico now that he's fixed his swing according to his post-round interview after winning the tournament. So I guess the M6 is there for when he thinks he doesn't hit it well and can't figure out why till he talks to Butch :-)

[@jmj5150]

DJ gets outdriven regularly by Rory who uses the m5 and is way shorter in height and stature... different strokes for different folks..

[@tysonh424]

I got an idea on the dispersion...possibly try the 6.5(x-stiff). I find that an x-stiff shaft helped my dispersion tremendously because the club head was more in sync with my swing at impact. I know you’ve been fitted in a stiff flex before(Callaway fitting for the epic on your recent trip, I’m super jealous btw lol) but I think it’s worth a shot, then go back and do this test again.

[@austinlauer1910]

All down to looks, feel, and performance. What is the weight difference if any? Is the M6 lighter?

[@martinlatham9713]

Thanks James - don't get all the fuss about adjustability on drivers. Get a quality fitting by an expert and leave the club alone - 99% of golfers don't know what they are doing anyway (inc. me). Neither do they hit it consistently enough to warrant all the the tinkering unlike DJ. Expert fitting and improve the strike is best you can do.

[@maeu59]

If you’re serious about golf you’re constantly changing looking to get better so that fitting today will be different in a year. Guys like DJ can change clubs daily if they want. A serious amateur is better with an adjustable driver. But I agree a typical amateur will hardly touch the settings if they even know to do with them.

[@Michaelsjpx]

nice video James I've hit both up against the ts2 ts3 and the f9 for me f9 won got fitted its in my bag now ...keep up the great work mate

[@nickmillar3975]

The tour players can’t keep the m5 in the fairway even

[@ZacharyGalloway]

I did a full fitting Monday for M5, M6, F9, Epic flash sub and standard. Even tried the M6 Draw to get them all in. after 2 hours of hitting i ended up with the M5. I went in thinking i would end up in F9 or M6 but not how it worked out for me. I found the center on the M5 more often than the others. F9 was a close second then M6 and the Epics scored the least for my swing. I Think The Smoke shaft was keeping the M5 and F9 close but did not help me on the Epic at all. Everyone is going to have different results with any of the new or old drivers.

[@sg5733]

I'm sure DJ can rocket both just as far and may chop and change. He has done the same with M1 & M2 and again with M3 & M4. I got fitted for original M1 and Also last year for M4 driver. M4 is staying for 2019 love the club and it hits the fairways.

[@AlphaKilo666]

I use the m5 tour. Just because I like the head shape more than the m6.

[@MTerrance]

Does anyone think Dustin Johnson was not fit for both the M5 and the M6? The issue I have with all the super adjustable drivers is that if you get fit you would be crazy to keep fiddling with the adjustments once fit. So I discount the value of the super adjustable drivers if the argument is you plan to keep fiddling with them. That does not mean you will not find one that is the best fit for you, just that once set, I cannot see the benefit of further adjustments. That DJ is not like the rest of us means what works for him may not work for others. So he made his choice irrespective of cost, especially since he gets his equipment for free!

[@DRHODES1979]

Minus the two bad swings with the M6, which probably would have been just as bad with the M5, the M6 seem more consistent.

[@gskeff]

The M6 is a bloody good looking club

[@drake1411]

Optimum peak height around 110 -120 feet. I'd say lofting down a degree or two with those and your numbers would be money

[@MrLeftyno1]

DJ was reading the Taylormade script, when your paid to play a club you just say what THEY want period., plus 5 yards longer with your driver will not lower your scores, anyone would think watching KZbin and not knowing about golf, that golf was all about hitting it long with your driver end off, not the case otherwise how the hell would a short hitter like Paul Goydos shoot a 59 ??

[@JamesRobinsonGolf]

I sense you have some anger Andrew? lol good points though my friend

[@MrLeftyno1]

@@JamesRobinsonGolf I think your right James LOL, it was written before my first coffee, big mistake.

[@JamesRobinsonGolf]

Easy done mate

[@roymongar3019]

You should stick to the TS3 driver James your swing looks better or maybe it’s the TS3 that’s looking better!

[@paulcurotto3884]

Your swing is looking really good James.

[@JamesRobinsonGolf]

Thanks Paul :)

[@juliustrexler9829]

Went and tested the M5 today and I just didn't like it. My R15 TP sounds 10x better and I hit it further. Going to test the M6 next weekend and I'll see if I'm changing.

[@scottlean690]

I’m in the same boat. I haven’t gotten rid of R15 yet. Picked up M2 3 wood and Rescue but cannot justify spending 450 plus on 10-12 yards. I would consider getting a newer shaft for my R15 though.

[@gssheriff7278]

I think any club that costs over $500 and doesn't give that extra 10 yards, accuracy down the middle is worthless.

[@TimmyVision]

4:40 I'm definitely going to hit those comments! 😂

[@imvincentblair8911]

Whats your attack angle? Your carry and total were almost the same. Swing up on that thing and the M5 will spin less if weights are forward

[@ReedServices]

Please recall that your distance approached 300 with the TS3 when you swung flat out. Haven’t heard you talk about it since you became interested in the other offerings. Just saying.

[@JamesRobinsonGolf]

Great point Brent. No reason behind it. Just trying all options

[@chefwax4833]

Brent Reed couldn’t agree more he’s wasting his time with all these garbage clubs. TS3 is the go to.

[@ReedServices]

It's been the choice on the PGA tour for the past month. TS2 is a close second. www.titleist.com/teamtitleist/b/tourblog/posts/titleist-speed-the-top-driver-choice-on-the-pga-tour

[@CorekBleedingHollow]

No Rory McIlory won with the FedEx cup with the M5. I’m looking forward to trying out the M5 when I get fitted.

[@billmorrison4930]

In fairness, were you more warmed up for the M5? I did a fitting and hit 200 drives with 6 different shafts and 5 diff heads. My first 20 were spastic. And yes, I was in traction after. (I bought the M6.)

[@bobbywillan9412]

Looks to me like you have been workin on backswing , not inside or flat anymore Jamesy 👌

[@howlingwolf125y]

Hi James.. Thanks for another great video.. I do have a question about a new iron. Did you see that Mizuno has a brand new JPX 919 hot metal PRO.. Yes .. a HM pro version. I was wondering how the HM pro compares against the Jpx 919 forged iron?? Is it similiar? Is which is better?? I know you are a busy young man but this may be a good new comparison video (if you have time and if you're interested.)..

[@ekphotography]

The m6 is cheaper? And nobody wins by changing their Driver.

[@bangarang735]

i just bought a m1 2017 8.5 X stiff and all i did was moved the back weight forward until i got the flight i wanted the m5 would be the same thing so m5 all the way for me

[@peterjohnson7148]

Can't wait for you to do a head to head with the cobra haha

[@steventait3801]

If testing forgiveness why wasn't the M5 in max forgiveness setting, both weights back in the corners 🤷‍♂️

[@JamesRobinsonGolf]

The video isn’t solely about forgiveness mate

[@yagarmeister1502]

Pros get paid by these companies, and pay nothing for their equipment. I’ll spend my money on lessons, and when I have a swing I can game for the next few years or more, I’ll get fitted for equipment I can game for those years. That’s how I will enjoy my game. New equipment without a solid swing is a waste of money.

[@richardskinner5050]

Hi James. Are you gaming the M5 over the Callaway Epic Flash that Callaway fit you for? That driver delivered you distances over 300 yards. Curious to know why you are gaming the M5 and does it deliver better numbers than the M3?

[@mikebest634]

Everyones different ,if Johnson likes the m6 it must work for him ,all drivers and shafts fit people differently .There's nothing new in the driver market these days apart from the marketing itself .

[@clivebrooker1]

So the conversation goes like this: Taylormade Executive: "Hey DeeG, we're releasing yet another pointless driver for the weekend warriors, would you put it in your bag please?" DJ: " I can hit a putter 300 yards, so whatever man" TE: "Here's another million dollars" DJ: "Whatever"

[@richardconnor1789]

He was moving all around the results he didn't hold it still for 2 seconds like he didn't want you to see it all at once it was not focused in the whole time

[@joelbreese9857]

If you put the weights all the way in the back of the m5 how much of a difference is there between the 2 in forgiveness

[@philipnunn1816]

Then as an 18 handicapper I will stick with my Cleveland Launcher HB Driver!!

[@11golfnut11]

Excellent.

[@Raymond-sj7cn]

...should you got fitted for a driver...🤔....duhhhh....unless you get them for free or have so much money that you don’t know what to do with it why pay so much money for a driver (today often around €500 for the new stuff) without get properly fitted for it. Not only the weights (if they are present like in the M5) but more important loft and shaft . Get fitted properly on a launch monitor and see what works best for you and do that on more than one day before pulling the trigger because your swing is not the same every day 🤓 Great comparison of the two heads 👍🏽

[@comickael]

Hi James! Were you using the HZRDUS Smoke in 60 or 70gr for this test? Keep the good work ^^

[@JamesRobinsonGolf]

70 mate

[@happygolfer6335]

I can see DJ switching, when you are swinging 120+ your mishit will be WAY worse than a 100-110 speed mishit. just my opinion.

[@mrdudelove1]

Hey james!!!!! Good video pal!!!!

[@michaelnowak3570]

Id love to see this same test with the M6 verses the Titleist TS2

[@user-px1eb8wx3x]

James I think you have to weigh the heads, it would be nice to know that they have the same swing weight when comparing the two

[@JamesRobinsonGolf]

Come on Sean.

[@user-px1eb8wx3x]

Or at least test it with the weights all the way back to give a better comparison.

[@user-px1eb8wx3x]

James I’m not trying give you shit I’ve been a subscriber since before 5k

[@JamesRobinsonGolf]

Just trying me best Sean :) impossible to cover every base. Thanks for the support dude :)

[@CosmicApe]

You'd gain a ton of yardage if you lowered your ball flight. ~150-165ft apex with a driver is way too high.

[@aartvdmolen]

20 +/- 20 yards is still quite significant

[@philipnunn1816]

M6 ... it's cheaper!!!

[@billbobeaney5126]

First thing nice and honest review,next which one would you recommend to your dad or the ping ?or let Dan Webster do it ? 👍🙉🙊🙈🐒😇🤔

[@JamesRobinsonGolf]

M6 to Old man Robinson DRAW BIAS lol

[@alexstuart900]

just curious but with a 112 average why are you playing a 6.0 instead of a 6.5?

[@brfam1977]

I hope Tiger puts the 6 in his bag.

[@uNkLeRaRa4]

Then Tiger goes and wins the MASTERS with the M5.... 😎

[@jaybyrne4562]

You had two really poor strikes with the M6, that would've made it real close. For the money I wouldn't be arsing about trying to get settings right on M5. Just go M6, also I don't really like the look of the bottom of the M5

[@peterjohnson7148]

James are you going to do a review on the new cobra king f9 driver up against a few others

[@JamesRobinsonGolf]

Yes mate when i get hold of one

[@JamesRobinsonGolf]

Yes mate when i get hold of one

[@joshcotton4452]

Seems to love Callaway and TM more than others

[@JamesRobinsonGolf]

Josh Cotton sorry you feel that way Josh. Baring in mind I have Mizuno irons in my bag, vokey wedges and a ping putter 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@JamesRobinsonGolf]

Josh Cotton sorry you feel that way Josh. Baring in mind I have Mizuno irons in my bag, vokey wedges and a ping putter 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@raginasianinvasion]

Can’t agree with this one, ordered my M5 yesterday after my fitting. Outperformed everything including the F9 and M6 by a landslide. Threw my TS2 straight out of my bag.

[@marioprice586]

Is that TS2 for sale

[@raginasianinvasion]

Mario Price literally just sold it about 30 minutes ago.

[@raginasianinvasion]

James Harrison shhhhh DoNt TeLL aNyOnE! 😏

[@iank2]

Dude you have way to much money if ur changing drivers like ur underpants

[@jeffwozniak8003]

I have a hard time believing It was head over heels better than the f9. Been enough reviews that the f9 has the highest ball speed of and 2019 drivers

[@nickmillar3975]

All driver are just pretty much the same anymore. No need to speed 500 to 550 on driver any more. My r15 is still the same length as the m5 , flash and f9 So just get a 3 to 5 year old drive and save money and play the same

[@DunnGolfing]

All the pros went M2 mostly funny thing I'd say SLDR out middle best driver ever made ever 📴

[@ScottDreyfus]

M5 is more about abnormal launch conditions.

[@philipnunn1816]

those 2 bad shots screwed this test... Should have taken one shot with each .... You had warmed up before you hit it!!

[@michaelweaver5708]

Looks like 8 FWY for M5 and 7 FWY for M6 to me...

[@cadmodel6424]

DJ could use a 2x4 and beat all of our asses. Its all hype and marketing in the end. Personally, Im not going to melt my CC for another yard...

[@raginasianinvasion]

Side note: your swing is looking pure af

[@JamesRobinsonGolf]

Wohooooo :)

[@ericcrittenden7553]

50 percent of Taylor Mades product line are pointless as they release new and supposedly 'vastly improved ' driver and irons every 6 months.

[@kurthendrikse6115]

M5...for sure

[@racecourse100]

M3 for me every time

[@timbuma3693]

What is your avg AOA?

[@martialmoses]

just bought a m6 driver, 3 wood and rescue.