IS the Tobii EYE Tracker 5 a VR Alternative for MSFS2024? Let's Find out...

[@nexe7271]

Sorry, I am 64 years old dude, and since I discovered VR years back, can't play any 2D game any more. For me, immersion is everything.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

No need to apologise, I agree with you

[@hansgold58]

Same here, but 66 😊

[@bradmacoz]

Ditto @ 63! :-)

[@jamessimmons8352]

Ditto... 73 here. 🙂

[@mofa9999]

Same here ,but 62 😀

[@ThorNjord]

Give me VR or give me DEATH!

[@jerryrivera4298]

✨️💯

[@mattlawlor8671]

I sold my quest 3 to buy a tobii tracker 5 about 5 months ago. I regretted it before I even started up a sim and after using the tracker for 2 days I sold that and went and bought a quest 3 again. The tobii is kind of ok but try using your hotas on your desk or a steering wheel and see how well it works then. VR is the way forward. The tobii doesn't even come close enough to be considered. Tbh this whole video felt like an ad, especially coming from yourself, and then the sweepstakes and 20% off just confirmed it. Still, won't argue with anyone trying to get paid

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I am clear at the start this is a paid video. My opinions are always my own though. Thanks for watching 😊

[@denniss.2567]

You will always compare it with VR ( like "what would it look like in VR") and I can tell you from my past , VR ALWAYS wins ! 😄

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Well said!

[@loiphin]

I have stopped playing MSFS 2024 until VR gets fixed. VR to 2D is like having heroin and going back to vaping apple flavours.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

VR settings guide out this week :)

[@kaecatlady]

Oh, my god! That is SUCH a f*cking awesome comparison! 😂 😂 😂

[@jamessimmons8352]

@@VRFlightSimGuy Thanks! I want to use the latest ATC, but can't get it in VR since the bindings to toggle Toolbar in VR don't work. Cannot find an alternate solution at the moment. Any thoughts?

[@pergon9773]

While it is pretty cool - nothing 2D will ever beat VR immersion! Just my 2 cents

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Agreed!

[@richavery66]

I had totally the opposite experience to you using the Beam Eye Tracker. I was using a gaming laptop with MSFS 2020 and found the app to be very accurate, both with head and eye tracking. (I can't compare it to the Tobii Eye Tracker since I've never owned one.) Maybe my results were due to the camera I used, my head being closer to the camera, the screen being a relatively small one (16 inches) - I don't know the reason(s), but I found the Beam Eye Tracker to be very good and excellent value.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I'm really glad you got it to work. For me, I found the accuracy to be off.

[@ErikLegerstee]

Having that title on your video got me clicking on it ;-). Nice work, happy to see you still with VR ;-). Love your vids mate!!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thanks mate, really means a lot ❤️

[@theegodelpozo]

It's like cheating on your wife with a 3 points. Not worth it.

[@jerryrivera4298]

😂😂😂😂

[@OfficialSheffieldCouncil]

VR or die. 2D is a game. 3D is real.

[@deanna6359]

When Jorg said VR in FS24 was going to be "better" I thought he meant better than MSFS, not FSX!

[@ThorNjord]

@@deanna6359 Hear! Hear!

[@brianfinch2154]

Can you have both installed? I use VR mostly.

[@deanna6359]

@@brianfinch2154 You can. Although I've just uninstalled both. After 25 years of the hobby and working in the industry, I'm calling it a day. Good luck guys!

[@trent_dyrsmid]

How you get the head tracking to work in 2024? I’ve only been able to get the eye tracking working. Tried Tobii’s work-around, but no joy.

[@terrytaylor2104]

Really awesome video review it was really useful& gives me hope, I'm always looking forward to VR & this will be something I will hopefully get into some day.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thankyou Terry much appreciated :)

[@mdhazeldine]

A very timely video (even if it is sponsored). I cannot justify £800 for a decent VR headset, and I don't have the space for triple screens. I also fly mostly airliners and some GA. Last year I bought a head tracking product from DelanClip (which uses OpenTrack). It is very similar to TrackIR5. Initially I quite liked it, but over time, I just found it more annoying than good. I didn't like having a heavy 3D printed IR emmiter velcroed onto to my headphones and getting into my peripheral vision. It also kept slipping down and the whole view would sag to the left. I also found it difficult to operate switches because the view was moving around. Finally, I found it either too sensitive or not sensitive enough. I became really interested in the Tobii for 2 reasons: 1) you don't have to have anything on your head, and 2) the new eye tracking combined with head tracking software. My question is, does that new software feature really make a big difference to the experience? And how easy is it to control cockpit switches when your view is moving around according to your head and eyes? Spending another £223 when I already bought one thing that didn't work feels like quite a risk, and I need to be sure it's a wise purchase.

[@tombulva]

If VR hadn't appeared in flight simulation, I would never have gone back to "fun" in 2D. Flying in VR, when you once in real life, is the only tangible option to feel, there again... I am X-Plan 11, so despite the limitations, it is still the closest to my memories of real flying ;-) (sorry for my engish)

[@paulsaunders6536]

Seriously thinking about getting one. A nice alternative to VR for the very reasons you describe. Plus there are a few planes in DCS that do not have clickable cockpits that makes them almost impossible to fly effectively. Mapping and remembering all those keys? Forget it..😊

[@dizzychoonz]

The Tobii has always been excellent for fs2020 and I know the Tobii is currently supported in 2024, but at the moment it is not functional and requires opentrack to get it to work. Is this the case for you??

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Hey Steve, I managed to get it working but I've no idea how. It's not until after I made this video I've heard some people are having issues. I reached out to Tobii about this and a fix is coming very soon thankfully.

[@dizzychoonz]

Thank you for nudging them.. I'm sure they're up to date with current problems and it will be Microsoft holding releases back somewhat.

[@STEVE-wp2tq]

@@VRFlightSimGuy You have to use opentrack with the Tobii eyetracker in MSFS2024 as it crashes when you open the settings page

[@paulmann8675]

Nice to see different options for people. But there’s nothing like hitting that wow moment in VR when all the settings you have tinkered with looking through countless forum threads and KZbin videos to get that extra 1fps that makes it super smooth baby 😎😀

[@jamessimmons8352]

Ha Ha Ha. VR is so tough to dial in, but so worth the trouble! I'm finally getting 45 FPS with decent clarity and distance. Enough for an enjoyable flight. And hopefully it will get better over time.

[@davidgiles9751]

With the right monitor, the Tobii can give you a "near" 3D experience. I've been using the Tobii on a 4K LG Flex 42 OLED monitor since earlier this year, and have found the combo to be extremely immersive. I have cervical neck issues that make wearing VR googles for an extended period of time to be very uncomfortable. Having options like the Tobii with a nice 4K monitor is a great option for many people who have issues with VR... If LG makes a larger 48" Flex, I'd trade up for that. Or, if Samsung would make a 55" curved OLED Odyssey Ark.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thanks David for your comments, that's really interesting. I am tempted to try a triple screen setup someday.

[@davidcook1057]

I have a newer 65” Samsung OLED TV that is also built for gaming. Would this work with that big of an OLED display?

[@deloford]

I have twin 55" OLEDs running MSFS2024 at 90FPS @ 7200x2140 everything Ultra and the Tobii. Flying the F18 in the Alps is really something beyond what I can explain in words!

[@acurisur]

A VR headset with OLED panels like the Bigscreen Beyond will still trump that. I play MSFS 2024 on a 3rd gen QD- OLED monitor myself and while it's amazing, my Quest 3 is still 10 times more immersive.

[@bikepilot]

Exactly what I’m doing now. I’m not going anywhere near VR again until things settle down! I’m going to have to upgrade my PC _and_ headset but for the time being the Tobii is great.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

VR settings guide out tomorrow which may help 🤞

[@bikepilot]

@ Oh cool - I’ll definitely have a look at that then. Be warned though, I’m on a 3080 with a Reverb G2. Sooo last Thursday!

[@GeorgOrtner]

Ground textures actually look sharper in 2020 for me. Hopefully that is a temporary issue with 2024.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I've noticed this too, I hope there is a fix.

[@ellonysman]

I want VR but I could settle for Tobi Eye Tracker!😅

[@heatseek4890]

Would be cool if the Eye tracker 5 I spent too much money on that did wonders for me in MSFS 2020, worked in MSFS 2024 without the crash to desktop

[@goochygoochoutdoors.1913]

Steve it's stunning in 2D. Like proppa .

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I know and it's bloody annoying 😅

[@PebbleTrader]

Definitely next best thing to VR and it runs and looks incredible in 2D maxed out settings...if only in VR :)

[@heila348]

I'm using the Tobii exclusively (all msfs settings on ultra) with a 32" curved monitor until the 5090 come out.. just toooo many frustrations with current VR (rtx3080). The Tobii works great and is excellent if you like to make videos. Way easier to enjoy a flight beer as well...

[@Tuno85]

For instrument procedures practise, I use the Tobii 5 with partially physical instruments and I love it. I use VR for general flying procedures. Still have the Reverb G2 locked on Windows 11 23H2 and MSFS 2020 😬Does Reverb G2 work with MSFS 2024 😇

[@HandlewithCare411]

When I was getting my private pilots license I didn't use flight sim tech at all because it didn't give me the depth perception I needed to be in the cockpit. If the eye tracker 5 had been around it would have made flight sim more useful for obtaining my license. Cockpit management is challenging and having to navigate your view along with instruments air traffic control is too much.

[@ColinDyckes]

Tobii and a big LG OLED is still my preference for serious flying. Much easier to access cockpit controls. VR in the Varjo Aero for throwing a jet around the Mach Loop 🙂

[@ThePjKearney]

Tobii EYE Tracker 5 is not supported natively in MSFS 2024 as yet!

[@ThePjKearney]

Please let me know if i'm wrong as I have it and am waiting to use it properly!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

You can use Open track. It actually worked OK for me but I believe there will be an update very soon to address the short comings, especially for the eye tracking.

[@HandlewithCare411]

This was not available in the tech alpha either. Which is what the current release of 2024 still feels like.

[@andrewmcwilliam1764]

Wow, really interesting. Would you say it's better than trackIR? And what kind of support is there? Do you know if this would work in DCS?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Yes and yes

[@TheTomster94]

It does work well on DCS (been using it for about 1.5 years). It is a bit more jittery than TrackIR I would say. When you zoom in far to see targets the view can start to drift/go up and down or left and right. Can be frustrating at times but definitely better than not head/eye tracking

[@lurchilurch5507]

Cool for people that don't like VR or can't afford it, but that's about it!

[@davidcook1057]

Can this be used on a 65” Samsung OLED?

[@Glider324]

Thanks for stating up front this is an advertising video. Sitting in front of a 2D screen is completely different to VR. There is no way to objectively compare them.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Much appreciated 🙏

[@slhsimdesigns]

I've Had The G2 for years and i Can't seem to find a sweet spot in FS2024 where i can get The resolution i want at an acceptable frame rate. I have a Crystal light on the way, and i'm hoping the Resolution will be great enough to make me Forget about the Low FPS. But the Low Resolution and Low FPS in the reverb G2 has got me questioning if i should go back to 2D as my main way of simming. Maybe until I buy 6090 or something.

[@outoutmtb1949]

When i see what flight sim looks like in true 4k and higher FPS with a 4090 its is fantastic and i dream of this quality in VR even when i put my pimax on at ultra yes frame rates is pants, but just the immersion makes up for the quality

[@SparkySven]

2D Tobi video also shows the true raw perfomance your RTX-4090 delivers and now I'm looking more forwad in getting it in January 2025. Two more months to wait ;-) Pancake content creators do have an easy live vs yours. Cheers with a Fanta because Domino pizza was all out of beer haha

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I sometimes forget what kind of visuals my 4090 can pump out when just using a monitor. It's pretty spectacular! Not to mention it's SO easy to record! However, VR is the only way to fly.

[@SparkySven]

@@VRFlightSimGuy With that new Pimax Prime I'm really in doubt to go for the Light or jump directly to the Super... but with latest new fan of you video's down under maybe stay on earth and get the Meta Quest 3 & extra's

[@gregprouse1173]

I use both vr form immersion and 2d for photo realism. Both have their pros and cons but I love using both :)

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Cheers Greg great comment!

[@gregprouse1173]

@ It’s funny because when I first loaded the sim I played in 2D due to the issues. I surprised myself how much I really enjoyed it and the beauty of the world. It took my breath away and I thought I think I’m going to use my trackir now and again to fully experience this sim in all its glory. One day I hope we will have VR contact lenses or something so light we don’t feel it. That’s the ultimate dream of zero vr fatigue :)

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

@@gregprouse1173 I felt the same way mate!

[@dtrjones]

Fake News! Haha, we are here for VR, but Tobii has their EYE on us! Excellent company and they are delivering this solution in many forms including VR which is great to see!

[@ericthomas8147]

How can we not have a monitor that does 3D like the big screen with polarization or other cool tech?

[@64kernel]

Can't imagine 2d flying tbh. Looks great but it's flat. As a long time vr user, nausea or motion sickness is no problem at all. Although I only use airliners of course.

[@studentpilot284]

How is it compared to trackir 5? Really happy with trackir however I am a bit annoyed with the extra cable on my head.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

It's just so nice as you say, having nothing on your head, I also really like the eye tracking which gives you more accuracy

[@JohnConservative]

And we get to see your face, it's like a different channel.. lol

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

😂

[@seattime4075]

I use big triples(ultra), or VR with MR Q3, depending on the aircraft. Have tried head tracking, just don't like it.

[@ivonakis]

Is there a benefit over opentrack + neural net head tracking ? Is the eye tracking used for something ?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Well, I tend to use a combination of 85-90% head tracking, with a bit of eye tracking as it helps with accuracy

[@sascenturion]

Dunno how you got it to work in 2024 🤔 Im using opentrack to run the tobi Thanks for the video Steve

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I got lucky as it worked really well for me! Cheers mate :)

[@deloford]

Airliners are very annoying with the Tobii, you can't fully turn off the eye tracking so clicking small buttons and turning dials with the mouse is VERY annoying. I contacted support and they said its just how the Machine Learning engine works but they are looking at how to reduce the issue

[@andresmedina7670]

This is like asking me to eat tofu after trying steak. I Cant do 2D gaming after VR.

[@ScruffyMisguidedAndBlue]

I have seen a bunch of these sponsored videos but none have told me what benefit the eye tracking gives. Am currently using passive TrackIR which works perfectly well, and is apparently still better than the Tobii for head tracking, I don't know what I am missing with the eye tracking part. When you tried the Beam software did you have a 60 fps camera? I tested it recently and a decent webcam helps. You might want to spell Tobii right in the title to keep your sponsors happy.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I tell you in the video, the eye tracking makes where you look even more accurate. Thx for the heads up on the title. Now fixed 😅

[@fingerhorn4]

Your clips demonstrate exactly what is seriously wrong with MSFS2024. The fighter jet's display screens are COMPLETELY washed out, so much that you cannot see ANY information on them. This is absolutely nuts. Asobo already had problematic MFD and PFD displays in FS2020. They were generally far too lacking in brightness and crispness. But, even worse is that when you flew the Airbus, though the displays were much better, the price paid was the exterior, a riot of over exposed, over-saturated and indistinct smudges. This sim is worst piece of software ever for a complete failure in balanced visuals.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

It's been out a week. I'm confident it will get sorted.

[@tato3421]

It is pretty sad when the "VR Flight Sim Guy" cannot VR in MSFS2024. There should be a class action lawsuit against MS/Asobo.

[@imacmill]

I scarsely saw you turn you head throughout the entire video? Did you ever look out the left/right windows anywhere, that perhaps I missed? Also, why would a triple-screen be helpful, given that this device is meant to be a 'substitute' for such a thing? Edit: sorry, I missed it. You did look to the side...once.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I'm not really used to it but you can easily look behind you.

[@mack3130]

What size is your monitor?

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

I can't actually remember sorry. But it's a large curved screen

[@Lonsome1223]

For real immersion you'll never beat VR.

[@DeepFutureSim]

I bought a Tobii 2 years ago, sits in a box now never use it, not a fan really.

[@loiphin]

A bit too much tobii brainwashing Steve. I want VR FSG back 😊

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

lol

[@martinhsl68hw]

Imagine the money you'd save!!

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Sad but true (and stress)

[@UkDave3856]

It’s not for me, as the feeling of sitting in an actual cockpit can’t be beaten, but it’s horses for courses I suppose and there’s no wrong answers with simming

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

💯

[@UkDave3856]

@ how did you get the A2A Comanche working in 24 Steve? I’ve reinstalled it but it’s not showing up in my library 🤔

[@raptorman0]

I really enjoy your videos but you don’t half send mixed messages.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Thankyou but, I guess you haven't watched the video 🤔

[@raptorman0]

@ you got me! But seeing as I have one of these, recently received my pimax crystal light, and my Moza Ffb base yesterday....all due to your video’s. I will be citing you in the divorce court as responsible.😄

[@qad417]

what happens when I cross my eyes? Can I then flip two switches? XD XD XD

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

😂

[@DiscoStu30]

Tobi hitting up youtubers for advertising... seen a few "reviews" in the past 24hrs

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Yes, I got paid to make this video about my honest opinion and I state I prefer VR. Least I highlight that it's a sponsored video right at the start. Unlike some others ;)

[@DiscoStu30]

@@VRFlightSimGuy i wasnt having a crack. Just an observation. :) Enjoy your honest review and feedback.

[@richardeaton2469]

Hang on in a video you did earlier you were saying how brilliant it is running in VR, which is it, or is it all about sponsorship now?

[@TheBookofChoyer]

Check out both videos and opinions on the matter and then make up your own mind. It is never a "One size fits all".

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Richard. Maybe watch the video before forming an opinion. I am very clear this is a sponsored video from the outset and why I'm happy to accept in this case. Thx for watching (if you decide to that is) :D

[@jamiesalmonsculpture8599]

He even says several times in this video, nothing beats VR. It's just a video of another option available as VR is a challenge right now. What's the harm?

[@dtrjones]

Yes a blooper from Richard, should have watched the video. However I must admit I do call out folks for misleading titles but in this case I think it's absolutely fine! haha 😆

[@ThorNjord]

@@richardeaton2469 I have no qualms with Steve monetizing his channel. Making these videos takes a lot of time and effort.

[@smsheard]

I can see you are literally no where near as involved as in VR. Its still passive isnt it really.

[@gizmo104drives7]

I just cant...

[@imacmill]

Oof! Over $300, Canadian.

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Not with my 20% discount 👍

[@christianstauderer7686]

I would prefer neuralink😂

[@SurfVR]

EyeTracker Flight Sim Guy? Nope

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

Not quite the same ring to it lol

[@poolhallshark]

😉♥♥♥

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

❤️❤️

[@terjehelle]

No VR? UNSUBSCRIBED!!! 😅😂😂

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

😂

[@montrose699]

NOOOOOOOOOO! LOL

[@VRFlightSimGuy]

🤣