Is the Trinity taught in the Bible and why does it matter?

[@mattjohnson9753]

In the Old Testament God manifested himself on Earth as a talking burning plant. Why is it so hard to believe that God the Creator could choose to manifest himself in human flesh if He so willed?

[@miken8820]

Rob, you know what makes me happy? To see your views and likes going up to like 3.7, etc. I love it.

[@JJFrance]

Thanks!

[@ThomasBrennanthombre55]

Mark 3:28-29 (ESV): 28 “Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, 29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”-

[@wildrover9650]

I definitely see JESUS and Father GOD as two separate and distinct persons. I wouldn't call my self a trinitarian but it doesn't matter if I understand it or not. I fear GOD and do my best to obey Him.

[@quesostuff1009]

I always equated the trinity to higher dimensional shapes As much as 2D/3D shapes makes sense and we can even visualize it Ask me to draw a 4D cube , and even though I know it exists , I can barely understand how that even can be visually represented I also try to not use analogies to describe the trinity as typically one of those heresy will creep up (think of Modelism Patrick) The idea that a transcended creator that is beyond space and time can interact with its finite creations is a funky one. But at least the concept of God’s multi personhood goes all the way back to good ole Genesis, so I just see the trinity as a theological evolution on those breadcrumbs found in OT

[@TalkingOutOfSchool]

For someone who had an evil earthly father, it was beyond difficult to imagine how my “Father in heaven” could really love me, because I was taught the Father sends another person - another spirit - to deal with me in His stead. What earthly father even asks his neighbor to go and hug his child, and says “tell them for me that I love them, and am with them?” Why doesn't my own father, from my own household, tell me himself? When I finally grasped the total impossibility that Our Father's love can be coldly outsourced to another, was when my eyes were opened to see that my own Father was indeed hands on teaching and touching me through His Spirit the whole time. He gave me these verses for you: (Eph 4:4) *There is one body, and one Spirit,* ... (Eph 4:6) *One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.* (Matt 10:20) For it is not ye that speak, but *the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.* (John 17:20) Neither pray I for these alone, *but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;* (John 17:21) That *they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us:* ...

[@pierrelabounty9917]

Well put , I

[@pierrelabounty9917]

I think I have had a problem there, not as much now. Besides, I thought being free was without understanding and God's love in my heart, for lack of knowledge, lacked an understanding of true authority, the true authority about life and the creater of life, and life eternal. It lacked depth. Our Heavenly and our ever present Father, King Of The Universe, and universes.

[@jayceejm]

It started to occur to me that the Holy Spirit was not a third member of the God Head simply because there's no name given. Yahweh has several names, Jesus has several names, but the Holy Spirit was like saying "Hello Daughter, hello Mother" Its just a noun not a name. And there began my search. This is the first thing that Solberg has gotten very wrong and for someone who is usually so insightful and clear I am a tad disappointed in this teaching. but thanks for sharing your thoughts.

[@miguelcarrillo8479]

John 1:29 His only mission was to die John 1:29 Nothing elso Him and John were the first 2 to have the spirit of God explaing the promise for us to have the spirit after his departure acts 1:4

[@miguelcarrillo8479]

@Michael avila

[@TLR5759]

Thank you! We needed this!

[@szgshazag]

Nonesense the whole Hebrew bible teaches us that there is only one God Isaiah 45:5 “I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; Exodus 20:3 “You shall have no other gods before Me. Exodus 34:14 -for you shall not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God- 2 Kings 19:15 Hezekiah prayed before the Lord and said, “O Lord, the God of Israel, who are enthroned above the cherubim, You are the God, You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth. Psalm 86:10 For You are great and do wondrous deeds; You alone are God. Isaiah 37:16 “O Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, who is enthroned above the cherubim, You are the God, You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth. Isaiah 37:20 Verse Concepts Now, O Lord our God, deliver us from his hand that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that You alone, Lord, are God.” Psalm 83:18 That they may know that You alone, whose name is the Lord, Are the Most High over all the earth. Nehemiah 9:6 “You alone are the Lord. You have made the heavens, The heaven of heavens with all their host, The earth and all that is on it, The seas and all that is in them. You give life to all of them And the heavenly host bows down before You. 2 Kings 19:19 Now, O Lord our God, I pray, deliver us from his hand that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that You alone, O Lord, are God.” Isaiah 44:8 ‘Do not tremble and do not be afraid; Have I not long since announced it to you and declared it? And you are My witnesses. Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.’” 2 Samuel 22:32 “For who is God, besides the Lord? And who is a rock, besides our God? Psalm 18:31 For who is God, but the Lord? And who is a rock, except our God, Isaiah 45:14 Thus says the Lord, “The products of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush And the Sabeans, men of stature, Will come over to you and will be yours; They will walk behind you, they will come over in chains And will bow down to you; They will make supplication to you: ‘Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God.’” Isaiah 45:18 For thus says the Lord, who created the heavens (He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it a waste place, but formed it to be inhabited), “I am the Lord, and there is none else. Deuteronomy 32:39 ‘See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand. Isaiah 44:6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me. Isaiah 45:21 “Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I, the Lord? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me. Isaiah 45:6 That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 2 Samuel 7:22 For this reason, You are great, O Lord God; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You, according to all that we have heard with our ears. Isaiah 64:4 For from days of old they have not heard or perceived by ear, Nor has the eye seen a God Besides You, Who acts in behalf of the one who waits for Him. Deuteronomy 4:35 To you it was shown that you might know that the Lord, He is God; there is no other besides Him. Deuteronomy 4:39 Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the Lord, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other. 1 Kings 8:60 so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the Lord is God; there is no one else. Isaiah 45:22 “Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other. Isaiah 46:9 “Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me, 2 Kings 5:15 When he returned to the man of God with all his company, and came and stood before him, he said, “Behold now, I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel; so please take a present from your servant now.” Isaiah 43:10 “You are My witnesses,” declares the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me. Hosea 13:4 Verse Concepts Yet I have been the Lord your God Since the land of Egypt; And you were not to know any god except Me, For there is no savior besides Me. Joel 2:27 “Thus you will know that I am in the midst of Israel, And that I am the Lord your God, And there is no other; And My people will never be put to shame. And with regards to Genesis 1:26, “Let US make man in OUR image,” read what Rabbi Tovia Singer says: outreachjudaism.org/trinity-genesis/

[@WestSamszJr]

@@szgshazag He did not say there are 3 God's. It's one God. You have to understand the trinity, we don't believe in 3 Gods.

[@interpretingscripture8068]

Interesting history!! Great insights brother! :)

[@ThomasBrennanthombre55]

Matthew 11:27 (ESV): 27 All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

[@joshkaye5303]

Understanding the Trinity correctly is understanding the Hierarchy correctly also. Too often people blur the lines between Father, Son and Spirit and pray to each interchangeably without regard to protocol as though they were all one and the same. Is that what scripture teaches? The protocol as far as I can see it is to pray to the Father through the Son by the Holy Spirit. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@gaylechristensen6285]

I believe you are correct.

[@paulvandergriff4209]

That seems like a non trinitarian point of view. So the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not equal?

[@ranikalakaar]

Perfectly said.

[@onlinemoney8933]

Wow what a beautiful explanation, God bless you ,and your ministry my brother,🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thank you! Blessings, Rob

[@paultkalec7022]

The trinity concept is mimicked in our lives - body, soul and spirit. If we view the Holy Trinity as one God, the same way we view anything that is made of components - such as a building, a car, etc - then it’s not difficult to understand.

[@chosenoneinakilt9495]

I am quite curious why Genesis 1:26 was brought up, yet 1:27 was ignored; 26And God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and they shall rule over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the heaven and over the animals and over all the earth and over all the creeping things that creep upon the earth." כווַיֹּ֣אמֶר אֱלֹהִ֔ים נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה אָדָ֛ם בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ וְיִרְדּוּ֩ בִדְגַ֨ת הַיָּ֜ם וּבְע֣וֹף הַשָּׁמַ֗יִם וּבַבְּהֵמָה֙ וּבְכָל־הָאָ֔רֶץ וּבְכָל־הָרֶ֖מֶשׂ הָֽרֹמֵ֥שׂ עַל־הָאָֽרֶץ: 27And God created man in His image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. כזוַיִּבְרָ֨א אֱלֹהִ֤ים | אֶת־הָֽאָדָם֙ בְּצַלְמ֔וֹ בְּצֶ֥לֶם אֱלֹהִ֖ים בָּרָ֣א אֹת֑וֹ זָכָ֥ר וּנְקֵבָ֖ה בָּרָ֥א אֹתָֽם:

[@built4speed101]

John 10:30 NASB I and the Father are one." RWP Joh 10:30 One (εν). Neuter, not masculine (εις). Not one person (cf. εις in Ga 3:28), but one essence or nature. By the plural συμυς (separate persons) Sabellius is refuted, by υνυμ Arius. So Bengel rightly argues, though Jesus is not referring, of course, to either Sabellius or Arius. The Pharisees had accused Jesus of making himself equal with God as his own special Father (Joh 5:18). Jesus then admitted and proved this claim (5:19-30). Now he states it tersely in this great saying repeated later (John 17:11; John 17:21). Note εν used in 1Co 3:3 of the oneness in work of the planter and the waterer and in John 17:11; John 17:23 of the hoped for unity of Christ's disciples. This crisp statement is the climax of Christ's claims concerning the relation between the Father and himself (the Son). They stir the Pharisees to uncontrollable anger. And, Genesis 2:24 is equivalent to this interpretation! Genesis 2:24 NASB For this reason a man shall leave his father and his mother, and be joined to his wife; and they shall become one flesh. Your position has been refuted.

[@chosenoneinakilt9495]

@@built4speed101 I see- Did the writer of John have access to Genesis? Yes he did. When was John written? How many years after the death of Jesus? Case closed. Thank you for confirming your argument is only smoke and mirrors.

[@tbishop4961]

I'm not sure what you're getting at

[@chosenoneinakilt9495]

@@tbishop4961 If the writers of the NT had access to the Tanakh- then it is clear they had the source to copy from. And that’s what they did. If they contradict the Tanakh (as Paul did on multiple occasions) who am I suppose to listen to?

[@MrZenox12]

@@chosenoneinakilt9495 you’re a very ignorant person on these matters, people like you are best to just listen and not speak, I believe you can still learn

[@schellycraft4290]

The comment section is going to be rough on this one too :))

[@glorialoo3165]

Deut.10:17 For the LORD your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, mighty and terrible, which regards not persons, nor take rewards (bribes). Hear, O Israel, the LORD your God is ONE Lord. Deut. 6:4, Mark 12:29.

[@daviddilworth1942]

Jesus Testifies the "Father...is the only true God " John 17:1-3. I recommend the book, "Jesus Testifies Against The Trinity Doctrine ". Jesus also states, "My Father is greater than I" John 14:28. "Why do you call me good? No one is good but One, that is God ". According to Scripture, God is the Father alone.

[@daviddilworth1942]

Mark 10:18 is "Why do you call Me good? No One is good but One, that is God "

[@solitairecat1]

The anti-Christ denies Father and son, which is what the Trinity does in making them one being.

[@solitairecat1]

"I saw no temple in it because Yahweh God of Armies is its temple and the Lamb." Rev 21:22

[@klixxo7]

Dr Solberg, I recently came across your KZbin channel when I was researching pro-Torah Christian movements, and have enjoyed watching your videos addressing the movement. I was even more excited to see the number of books you had on the subject, which I was excited to read. However, I have now stumbled on this video and must say I am somewhat flabbergasted by some of your descriptions of people who do not believe in the Trinity. I myself am not a trinitarian, but can respect someone who is. Labels such as heretic and denier of scripture are deeply troubling. Many bible believing people are not necessarily trinitarians, including early church fathers who died for their beliefs and the disciples themselves who were 1st century Jews and would have professed the Shema. Even today, lots of bible educated scholars are not trinitarians. Again, I respect the right to believe what YOU want to believe, it’s just a shame that you have not done the same. G-d bless.

[@CHURCHofX]

Okay so let's do it like this Is the Trinity biblical? Show me Trinity in the Bible.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

There are many examples in this video. RLS

[@Dylan-wn7dm]

This was a great video 👍

[@PUSH2Tim]

Thank you for your time in explaining this Rob. You articulate this truth very well!♥️♥️♥️

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

Only God is to be worshipped ? Lot saw the 2 angels and bowed down and worshipped them, (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) . Genesis 19:1 “And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) his face toward the ground;” . Genesis 23:7 Then Abraham rose and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ before the people of the land, the Hittites. . Genesis 33:3 He himself [Jacob] went on ahead and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ to the ground seven times as he approached his brother [Esau]. . Genesis 42:6 Now Joseph was the governor of the land, the one who sold grain to all its people. So when Joseph’s brothers arrived, they bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ to him with their faces to the ground. . Matthew 18:26 “The servant fell on his knees [proskuneo] before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’

[@ThomasBrennanthombre55]

Matthew 3:16-17 (ESV): 16 And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; 17 and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.”

[@janosterud4188]

A couple comments. In Gen 1:26 the them, our, us idea is not continued in verse 27 by saying He created them. And the word "godhead" I think should not even be used because if You look at the 3 places it's mentioned the 3 whatever is not what is being described One example Rom 1:20 ESV translates it divine nature which goes along with the actual definition

[@loufonz8679]

Im not a Christian and I don’t proclaim any religious affiliation. Im not an atheist either! I strongly believe and know God is beyond all dimensions and at times a bit challenging to grasp that reality. I’m just a normal secularist with a profound passion in the Reality of God! But when the following statements are made: “it’s difficult to understand”, “can’t grasp the reality of it” and “it’s a deep mystery” yet, “let’s figure this out and proclaim it as true”, is what sincerely worries me. I personally believe that it has to do a lot with what version of the scriptures a particular denomination wants to utilize to back up their narratives! (Theology & Doctrine) I pray sincerely that God one day open my eyes and increases my knowledge in this very important topic, since that is the ultimate reason as to why I cannot decide what denominational context to choose to enhance my spiritual experience and deepen my friendship with Our Mighty Creator. Trinitarians have a great apologetic department, modalism and sabíanism as well have a strong apologetic department which defends their theology and doctrine and at the end, I’m left with: “well it’s just a matter of faith, deal with it!” And that’s not very convincing. You adhere to trinitarias, and the other group condemns you! Adhere to modalism and you have an Entourage blacklist you for apostasy and the list goes on and on 🙄… what a mess!!! I don’t want to offend God but with all these discrepancies between denominations and their theology and doctrine, just makes it challenging to decide what is “true”! That “listen to your heart” statement just doesn’t cut it! I have spent years studying and yet can’t ever come to a single conclusion! If God knows I LOVE Him, why does he allow some of us to suffer from this indecisive issue? 😢

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thanks, Lou. Your comment brought to mind James 1: "Consider it pure joy, my brothers and sisters, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith produces perseverance. Let perseverance finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you. But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. That person should not expect to receive anything from the Lord. Such a person is double-minded and unstable in all they do." (James 1:2-8) Blessings, Rob

[@loufonz8679]

@@TheBiblicalRoots🥹 thank you 🙏 Rob, that really means a lot to me that you took your time to read & answer my question. And the biblical verse sincerely helps 🥲. God Bless you dearly my Brother.

[@ShaulTzuar]

Finally something we agree on!!! There is clear evidence that the trinity is three in one from scripture! There is extra biblical evidence from Jewish sources that many sages even believed that GOD was a plural unity.

[@Jamesjacob339]

Trinity is biblical...... but it is very hard for some people to understand....... Trinitarian Christians are not misrepresenting anything

[@glorialoo3165]

@@Jamesjacob339 There are 18 verses in the OT and 10 in the NT that allude to BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD. In praying to his Father Jesus even said “And this is life eternal” that they might know you are the only true (omnipotent) God AND Jesus Christ whom YOU have sent John 17:3. James do you know the NT was put together by the Catholic Church from the manuscripts of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Paul who changed the truth of God into a lie and love and serve the created more than the Creator who is blessed forever. The CC is the Beast out of the Sea who persecuted the saints for centuries burning many at the stake for not believing in their demonic Trinity. Show me one verse, beside “and these are one” which has been proved to be later added to the Bible. There are tons of verses that were added. One such verse is John 10:30 I and my father are one. Jesus never even spoke these words and the proof is John 10:36. “Say ye of him whom the Father has sanctified and sent into the world thou blasphemest BECAUSE I SAID “I am the son of God”. Even at his trial the Jews never accused Jesus of making himself God, they accused him of making himself “the son of God” John 19:7

[@herbladyHCG]

If one follows trinitarian thinking, then Jesus was misrepresenting a lot in the gospel of John, wouldn't you say?

[@Dylan-wn7dm]

Amen and Amen, Hey brother, at 3:51, you're reading colossians, I think, right? On the screen, it says john, just letting you know

[@tonybenjamin7844]

Do you ever wonder how many other "creations" may have been accomplished by GOD throughout eternity. Thus allowing for lots of love before us?

[@edwardmagdalena1383]

Sir Rob can we Considee those Iglesia ni Cristo Jehovah witness and seventh day adv3ntist are following torahism?

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hello, Edward! Torahism is defined as "a belief that all Christians are *required* to keep the Law of Moses, and that not doing so is sinful." So Jehovah's Witnesses and SDA might be considered partial-Torahists. They are "cousins" so to speak. Blessings, Rob

[@priscillamartinez1363]

@Theblibicalroots hi rob I love all your videos but I have to disagree I grew up jehovahs witness and My parents are witnesses but I have to disagree I have a best friend who found a form a hebrew movement and its way off I'm like why would you wanna go back and yolk yourself to slavery 😢

[@miguelcarrillo8479]

In matthew 26:39 if Jesus was God why was he looking for a way out or scared to die????

[@mf4674]

Hello Dr Solberg, hope you are doing well. I saw two days ago a message from asking me to contact you in private. Is it an error or a misunderstanding from me ? Lord Jesus Christ bless you

[@justindarnellfpv]

That’s a scam… click on the picture of the person telling you to contact them and see when they joined KZbin and how many subscribers they have… that will tell you it’s not the real person

[@gaylechristensen6285]

Very thought provoking video indeed.❤

[@josetrevino6674]

Hebrews 10:26-31 26 For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said , Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

[@Gospelogian]

Interesting discussion! I approach this topic from a different angle - would love to get your thoughts.

[@marigold9736]

Why does god have three parts and not more.?? Human mind is reasoning mind , and if mind can't comprehend tri unity how can heart believe in Trinity.

[@carmensiekierke3579]

Victor Paul Wierwille in his " Jesus Is Not God" argues that Jewish Christianity was not trinitarian. But by the fourth century the church was altogether Gentile. Not being well inclined to Jews, the large majority of whom were not Christian, and having been raised from childhood among Greek and Roman polytheists, the Gentile theologians imposed their pagan ideas on the church. In fact, the pagans were not so much polytheists as they were trinitarians. It is common, natural, universal religious doctrine. Buddhism, Hinduism, Stoicism, and the Homeric Greeks all had trinities. Hence, Athanasius and his Gentile supporters foisted trinitarianism unto the original monotheistic Judaic Christianity. The author even gives the name of three Homeric gods: but with no mention of several others, one could hardly suppose he had ever read Homer. Americans may have heard of the Greek gods from A to Z : Ares to Zeus; but Americans cannot probably not rattle off the names of the Hindu deities: Aditi to Vata. But where in all of this is there any hint of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Where are their particular personalities, their mutual relationships, and their activities? The whole New Testament is firmly rooted in the Hebrew Old Testament. Jews were the first Christians. As a matter of fact, long before Christ was born the Jews had difficulty with the idea of a future Messiah. Some rabbis thought the Messiah was to be divine or angelic. More thought of Him as a military leader greater than the Maccabees. Because of a seeming conflict between a suffering Messiah and a triumphant Messiah, some Jews said the Old Testament prophesied two Messiahs. If then the Old Testament puzzled the Jews, it is not surprising that the New Testament, with the historical person of Jesus and the material on the Holy Spirit, confused the Gentiles. However wrong Wierwille may be in his reconstruction of history, no one doubts that the early Christians were confused. The first problem to be solved was the nature of Christ. Nestorius apparently thought that Jesus was that Jesus was two persons inhabiting one body. One person was God, the other was a man. Arius supposed that Christ was an angel whom God had created. Eutyches held that the human nature and the divine nature in Jesus was so blended that he was neither God nor man. Apollinarius was so strong on the deity of Christ that he denied his humanity. Jesus had no human nature, he was simply God in a body. Incidentally, a large number of Christian college students in Christian colleges are Apollinarians. Their numbers cry out loudly for good theological training. Billy Graham, in an African crusade, said Jesus was God in a body. At any rate, with all this confusion as to the nature of Christ, there was little time left in antiquity for a study of the Holy Spirit. There was no proper foundation. The nature of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity had to be formulated first before its applications could be traced in any detail. This is exactly what Athanasius did. Under his guidance, the Nicene Council of A.D. 325 established the Deity of Christ. He later published his arguments. They hardly mention Greek philosophy, but they are full of Scriptural exegesis. Such a man could never impose, and never did impose, pagan polytheism on his 318 bishops.

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

Paul wrote the Father is the God of Jesus...... Was Paul wrong ? Ephesians 1:17 I keep asking that the God of (((our))) Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. Romans 15:6 …so that with one heart and mouth you may glorify the God and Father (((of))) our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Corinthians 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father (((of))) our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort… Ephesians 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father (((of))) our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 1 Peter 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father (((of))) our Lord Jesus Christ!

[@rambido]

Carmen! I haven't heard the name Victor Paul Wierwille in nearly fifty years! I took his video class in '71?, stayed at a dorm on his campus (his farm, actually) in southern Ohio, and fellowshipped with the Way, Intl. Ambassadors who went out two by two to all corners. I remember the bands "Pressed Down and Shaken Together" and "Selah" like it was not so long ago. It was the Jesus Movement in full. Dr. Wierwille was probably wrong here and there (I still have his books somewhere) but he was right in many important ways. I feel that Father Almighty was pleased with his effort because much fruit resulted. On the way to his video class in Cleveland, Ohio during a deep snow storm on a sunday morning, I was heading west on Lorain road from Cleveland Heights out to the suburb of Lorain and the class. I was driving a $50 1963 Chevy Nova station wagon in which the heater fan did not work. It had a big gaping hole in the wheel well where the spare would normally stand and snow was entering in the back. I found myself stuck at a non-operating red light in a foot of snow with no heat and I realized that I couldn't feel my feet or my fingers with several miles to go. I became flush with anger and, with both hands on the steering wheel, I turned my head up and screamed "g-dd-mm it" "I'm doing this FOR YOU!" As the word you was leaving my mouth, the fan came on FULL BLAST with HOT AIR across the defroster and blew my face and long hair back! He actually breathed on me. The Holy Spirit of Truth took residence in me and has never left. thank you Almighty Father EHYEH YHVH! And I thank the Ambassadors Carol Freeborn and Jo Spade of Wichita, KS. I have amassed pearls of great price and it began with Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille of The Way, Intl. signed Will Maloney

[@carmensiekierke3579]

@@rambido You write "I feel that Father Almighty was pleased with his effort because much fruit resulted." Will, God doesn't define " fruit" as you have. You also think the Holy Spirit " is an experience." This is the error of the charismatic/ Word of Faith/ Pentecostal movements. Will, Jesus said you must be born again.......and nothing in your comment indicates you have an understanding of regeneration.

[@rambido]

@@carmensiekierke3579 Thanks for taking this time, I appreciate your feedback. In the words of Peter Falk as Det. Columbo: "Well, that about wraps it up......just want to say thank you for the.....the kind words.....you know...just, just, just one thing that's been buggin me (rolls cigar butt in mouth). How? how'd ya know what to say..I mean...were ya there? Did ya go? 1971-1973 that's the Jesus Movement, right? I mean....don't get me wrong.....to each his own....of course, of course. D'ja know that the...those miracles...they were poppin like hot beans on a griddle.....couldn'ta missed it.....I don' know....doesn't add up..... Well sister, it's been fun......

[@carmensiekierke3579]

@@rambido The Holy Spirit regenerates through the Word of God, the Gospel. The Way International didn't believe Jesus was God. Your car fan blasting you with air was just that.......your car fan. Those " miracles" of the charismatic/pentecostal movement are not biblical miracles. Check out the Messed Up Church channel. Steven and Paulette Kozar were in the charismatic/Pentecostal movement for 20 years.

[@FOMC6780]

If the Trinity is a mystery, why did the Apostles John say this in his epistle? We know that we are children of God and that the whole world is under the control of the Evil One. We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is True. And we are in him who is True by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the True God and eternal life. 1John5:19-20 Ministers say that the Trinity is a mystery does that bring you an understanding of who God is - No Jesus came to bring us understanding of his Father The True One in Heaven. If the Trinity is a Mystery, why are you trying to explain it in human terms? You would not have a starting point of reference to explain it in the first place. A Mystery is something you don't understand so is God a God of Confusion or is that Satan? Job2 NIV Then the Lord said to Satan, Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright a man who fears God and shuns evil. And he still maintains his integrity though you incited me against him to ruin him without any Reason!!!

[@mfonumoh6055]

I thought God was referring to the Divine council when He says "let us make man..."

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Mfon! I suppose it's possible. But the problem I have with the idea that the plural "us" is a reference to the Divine Council Genesis is Gen. 1:27, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him." This verse not only explicitly says "God created man," it also says that mankind was not made in the image of the Council, but rather in the image of God. Blessings, Rob

[@derekcarver7489]

​​@@TheBiblicalRoots I'm just a ordinary Christian man. I think god made man but not totally perfect or totally like us as it says. Only because God didn't say he was happy after making us like he did with other creations. Could you put me right on this please 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽.

[@sundownsam3369]

Without denying the deity of Yeshua, where in the Scriptures does it say to address Yeshua as God? Even God addressed him as his son, and believers are required to do the same in order to avoid appearing as if another god was being introduced.

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

@@Spartanthermopylae 3 god trinity brainwashing 101. Despite there being dozens of verses where many proclaim the Father is the God of Jesus trinity teachers will say, yea but its a mystery so you must believe in it.

[@sundownsam3369]

​@@Spartanthermopylae I first said that I am not denying the deity of Yeshua, so you should have responded to the question "Where in the scripture does it say to address Yeshua as God?" Hebrews 1:6,8 confirms Yeshua's deity like in Philippians 2:5-8. My post had to do with how to address him. The Pharisees understood the title "Son of God" which is why they tried to stone him, but again, I was asking a question. Do you say to someone that God loved you so much that he died for you on the cross? Or do you say that God loved you so much that he gave his only begotten Son to die for you on the cross? We are not told to go around and say that Yeshua is God. We are shown from the Scriptures to address him as the Son of God, as the Messiah, the redeemer. In the Godhead, there is order; the Father, His Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Son talked about his Father and what he heard from him. The Father addressed his son, Yeshua, as his Son, and to hear him. The Holy Spirit bears witness, teaches, instructs, and convicts, bringing one to repentance. There is no problem defending Yeshua's deity in a discussion, but the Gospel is not about Yeshua being God, but about God demonstrating his love through his Son, the message of Salvation.

[@narcissistinjurygiver2932]

@@sundownsam3369 paul taught the opposite of jesus

[@sundownsam3369]

@@narcissistinjurygiver2932 Apparently you have no understanding of Scriptures.

[@gideonopyotuadebo2304]

YOU MUST MAKE A CHOICE WHO TO SERVE AND WHO TO FOLLOW IF YOU WANT TO SERVE LORD GOD YEHOVAH THE MOST HIGH, SERVE YEHOVAH THE WAY YEHOVAH HAS COMMANDED TO BE ACCEPTABLE IF YOU ARE NOT READY TO SERVE YEHOVAH THE TRUE GOD THE WAY HE HAS COMMANDED, GOD SERVE YOUR IDOLS. WHY SHOULD YOU DECEIVE YOURSELF 1 Kings 18:21 ASV And Elijah came near unto all the people, and said, How long go ye limping between the two sides? if Jehovah be God, follow him; but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word. Joshua 24:14-25 ASV Now therefore fear Jehovah, and serve him in sincerity and in truth; and put away the gods which your fathers served beyond the River, and in Egypt; and serve ye Jehovah. [15] And if it seem evil unto you to serve Jehovah, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve Jehovah. [16] And the people answered and said, Far be it from us that we should forsake Jehovah, to serve other gods; [17] for Jehovah our God, he it is that brought us and our fathers up out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage, and that did those great signs in our sight, and preserved us in all the way wherein we went, and among all the peoples through the midst of whom we passed; [18] and Jehovah drove out from before us all the peoples, even the Amorites that dwelt in the land: therefore we also will serve Jehovah; for he is our God. [19] And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve Jehovah; for he is a holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgression nor your sins. [20] If ye forsake Jehovah, and serve foreign gods, then he will turn and do you evil, and consume you, after that he hath done you good. [21] And the people said unto Joshua, Nay; but we will serve Jehovah. [22] And Joshua said unto the people, Ye are witnesses against yourselves that ye have chosen you Jehovah, to serve him. And they said, We are witnesses. [23] Now therefore put away, said he, the foreign gods which are among you, and incline your heart unto Jehovah, the God of Israel. [24] And the people said unto Joshua, Jehovah our God will we serve, and unto his voice will we hearken. [25] So Joshua made a covenant with the people that day, and set them a statute and an ordinance in Shechem. Deuteronomy 13:4 ASV Ye shall walk after Jehovah your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

[@joshuamelton9148]

Very informative video about the Trinity. There are plenty of people who would create strawman of what Christians believe about the trinue nature of God. I was listening to Dr Michael Heiser video and he mentioned about the Angel of the LORD being Yahweh. There were 2 passage of scripture that he used talking about the Angel of the LORD Genesis 31:11-13 "11Then the angel of God said to me in the dream, ‘Jacob,’ and I said, ‘Here I am!’ 12And he said, ‘Lift up your eyes and see, all the goats that mate with the flock are striped, spotted, and mottled, for I have seen all that Laban is doing to you. 13I am the God of Bethel, where you anointed a pillar and made a vow to me. Now arise, go out from this land and return to the land of your kindred" The Angel of God told Jacob that He was the God of Bethel. The second verse of scripture is found in Genesis 48:15-16 when Israel was giving to blessings over the sons of Joseph which state: 15And he blessed Joseph and said, “The God before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac walked, the God who has been my shepherd all my life long to this day, 16 the Angel who has redeemed me from all evil, bless the boys; and in them let my name be carried on, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.”

[@ChrisTian-tz3eq]

... True.. there's even many more clues of that too! ... Notice Judges 2 : 1 - the "Angel Of The Covenant"... and Malachi 3 : 1 - "Behold, I will send My Messenger, and he shall prepare the way before Me: and The Lord Whom you seek, shall suddenly come to His temple, even The Messenger/ Angel Of The Covenant, Whom ye delight in: Behold, He shall come saith YHWH of Hosts." Joshua 5 : 13 - 15 - Who is This "Captain of YHWH's Host" that Joshua called his "Lord", and took his shoes off for, and bowed down to? ( Rashi of Judaism believes it to be "Michael" ) Exodus 3 - And Who also is This "Angel Of YHWH" who appeared to Moses in the burning bush, in which Moses also had to remove his shoes on holy ground for?... In which His Name & Memorial is "I AM" 4-ever?... ( in which the Pharisees wanted to stone Him ( Jesus ) for in John 8 : 58 ? ) 1 Samuel 3 : 21 - "And YHWH appeared again in Shiloh: for YHWH revealed Himself to Samuel in Shiloh BY "THE WORD" OF YHWH" ... Just to name a few.

[@orangemanbad]

I’ve always struggled with Jesus’ divinity. I have purchased your book and I hope it helps.

[@Jaryism]

Same I’m excited to read it

[@avrahamisaacs2593]

Won’t help but it might further your doubts due to fantastic explanations that make no sense.

[@miguelcarrillo8479]

Bible never says 3 Jesus only had the spirit of God & fear of the Lord Isa.11:2

[@miguelcarrillo8479]

Nobody explains the trinity the same because its not biblical!

[@miguelcarrillo8479]

Because its catholic!!

[@Contemplate55]

If Genesis 1:26 shows plurality, wouldn’t that change the translation to “gods said, let us make humans in our image, according to our likeness?” I actually came across a KZbin video claiming this passage begins with “the gods.” This is blasphemy, of course. However, it is an example of the slippery slope created by claiming plurality.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

The text actually suggests a single entity with a plural nature, rather than multiple entities: "Then God (singular) said, “Let us (plural) make man in our (plural) image, after our (plural) likeness" (Gen. 1:26). Likewise, the doctrine of the trinity does not posit three gods, but a single God with a triune nature. RLS

[@Contemplate55]

@@TheBiblicalRoots First, thank you for responding to my post. You usually ignore them. So I appreciate your response. My point is that it’s a slippery slope. You’re saying “our” indicates plurality of Elohim. Elohim is in the plural form here and could mean “gods,” as it does in other places referring to pagan gods. Not all Christians would agree with your assumption. It’s problematic, and you don’t claim certainty on your assumption.

[@Contemplate55]

@@TheBiblicalRoots I do agree that Elohim, though in plural form, is only one G-d.

[@jamestom2510]

I wonder what our god friend Tovia Singer would have to say on what Segul wrote.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

I put that statement to Rabbi Singer in our debate and he completely side-stepped it. Instead of responding to the historical claim, he said Segal isn't a "real Jew." RLS

[@jamestom2510]

@@TheBiblicalRoots interesting how some statements are ignored

[@MikeSeekingNoMore]

I have an earnest question. I preface this question with two points. First is I am not a torah follower and second is these extra Bible translations are corrupt so I stick with KJV as it was the first to English. Now my simple question. Where else in the Bible is "the Word" defined as only begotten son of God Jesus Christ? Please let me know because I have read the entire Bible 6 times and have yet to find this.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Mike. I am not aware of anywhere else in the Bible where Jesus is referred to as "the Word" (λόγος, logos). Also, just a quick FYI, the English translations by Wycliffe, Coverdale, and Tyndale all pre-date the KJV, as does the 1599 Geneva Bible. The KJV was not the first to English. Best, Rob

[@kennethgreifer5123]

Have you ever noticed in Daniel 7:9-13, God is sitting on a fiery throne, and then supposedly the Messiah comes to him and is given the kingdom, but God and the Messiah are seen together in this vision? That doesn't fit your beliefs about God not being visible. Also, in Ezekiel 1, God is also seen sitting a fiery throne in a vision, so you would have to say that God, in that vision, is not the Messiah, right? You would have to say that God can be seen in visions and dreams. Otherwise, you can't really explain it, I suppose.

[@ranikalakaar]

Good. True.

[@carter3679]

Isaiah 48:16 “Come near to Me, listen to this: From the first I have not spoken in secret, From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit.” In the context God is the one speaking here. My favorite trinitarian verse in the OT

[@sundownsam3369]

Without me denying the compound unity within God's nature or the one God, this verse you just mentioned does not appear to be insinuating equality, but more of a mission. I will look at the original language to see how it is said.

[@exposingfakechristianity5556]

Carter, sorry but you are wrong. There is no trinity. The idea of a trinity comes from the apostate church not the Bible.

[@carter3679]

@@sundownsam3369 I understand what you’re saying and I would say this: Christ’s equality with the Father and the fact that He was sent on a mission do not need to be mutually exclusive. Here is some scripture to help: Matthew 10:40, Mark 9:37, Luke 9:48, John 13:20; 20:21. If I go do a favor for a brother, that doesn’t necessarily subordinate me to him. I remain his equal, it’s just that as his brother I am willing to do that favor or ‘mission’ for him

[@carter3679]

@@exposingfakechristianity5556 What would your interpretation of this passage be then? The tri-unity of God seems like the only reasonable explanation to me. Thanks for being polite

[@exposingfakechristianity5556]

@@carter3679 ,....Its not the interpretation of this passage but of the whole Bible that we need to look at/understand. The Bible does not teach a trinity, the apostate church does. The Bible teaches that God is seven spirits and not three. This is why the Menorah has seven lamps that represent the seven spirits of God and not three lamps. Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." If we search the Bible we will find that there are seven different entities/spirits mentioned that have interacted with mankind. The seven spirits of God are,..... 1, God 2, Jesus 3, The Holy Spirit 4, The Bible, (the two witnesses) 5, Lucifer 6, Michael, 7, Gabriel These are all God/Jesus. They all have played a role in accomplishing Gods will for mankind. The church is apostate and has taught everyone wrongly, and falsely. The apostate church for example has indoctrinated everyone to believe that Lucifer is satan, when Lucifer is clearly and absolutely Jesus. The church knows nothing about the truth of Gods word and is 100% apostate from God and Biblical truth just as the jews were.

[@ranikalakaar]

It's hard to grasp because it's not true. There is 1 God YHVH, 1 Christ Yeshua. They are distinct from eachother. Simple. Jesus did not pray to himself but to his Father.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Yes, God is one, Ranikalakaar! And He is triune in nature. And Jesus was God incarnate (John 1:1; Phil. 2:6-11). Remember Jesus said to the Jewish religious authorities: "Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, *_I am!”_* At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds. John 8:56-59 They wanted to stone Jesus because He claimed to be God by using the divine title from Exodus 3: *_I AM._* Blessings, Rob

[@ashersian2563]

You got this right brother Soberg.

[@chenielchic7410]

very well said brother. i learnt a lot from this video.

[@geraldcity310]

To understand the trinity we must understand the passage in Isaiah, where God says... "My glory I shall not given to another" To understand this passage...we must define, what is contain within God's glory, what is it that He says he will not share with any created being. In context, what the above versus that precedes the statement and afterwards...we see one element that stands out that pertains to the glory of God...that He will not share with "any created being" and that is of creation. Therefore, the Creator God Almighty, insist He is the Creator of "all things" yet we see this glory that is only reserved for God being applied to Jesus therefore the glory that God says is only reserved for Himself is that of Christ the Messiah therefore Jesus is God Almighty...the creator of all things.

[@jirehseiuli6173]

Excuse but in all the scriptures you sited it talks about how they are all separate for example john 15:26 but when the helper comes whom i will send to you from the father the spirit of truth who proceeds from the father he will bear witness about me Jesus is stating that the spirit of truth ( the holy spirit ) comes from the father and we know God is not the God of confusion 1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. and it is written in deuteronomy 6:4 hear O israel the LORD our God is one lord. One thing to consider is moses saw the Fathers back ( exodus 33:21-23 And the LORD said Behold, there is a place by me, and you shall stand upon a rock And it shall come to pass while my glory passes by that I will put you in a cliff of the rock and will cover you with my hand while I pass by And I will take away mine hand and you shall see my back parts but my face shall not be seen.) so why would Moses say the LORD is one. it makes more sense to say that the father and the son are connected not the same because when Jesus was baptised in matthew 3 And Jesus, when he was baptised went up straightway out of the water and behold the heavens were opened to him and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting upon him ( connecting himself to him ) And behold a voice from heaven saying, This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. ( this is the father speaking directly to the son meaning they are not the same )

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi Jireh! Yes, that is one of the mysteries of the Triunity. Scripture says the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit are distinct from one another. And it also teaches that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. And while all of that is true, it _also_ teaches that God is one. These biblical truths are reconciled in the doctrine of the Trinity, which says there is one God and He is of a triune nature-There is one God who eternally exists as three distinct Persons: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Blessings, Rob

[@jirehseiuli6173]

@@TheBiblicalRoots forgive me if I seem a bit rude but some of the prophecies concerning our messiah suggest the opposite as it is written in 2 Samuel 7:12-16 concerning Gods promise to David. And when your days be fulfilled and you shall sleep with your fathers I will set up your seed after you which shall proceed out of your bowels and I will establish his kingdom.( why would he address "his kingdom" if he is supposed to be God) He shall build an house for my name and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father and he shall be my son. (if Jesus is supposed to God in human form why would he describe Jesus as the son and himself as the father) If he commit iniquity I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men But my mercy shall not depart away from him as I took it from Saul whom I put away before you. And your house and your kingdom shall be established for ever before you your throne shall be established for ever.

[@jirehseiuli6173]

@@TheBiblicalRoots And another prophecy is in Deuteronomy 18:18-19 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren like to you ( he is talking about moses) and will put my words in his mouth and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him. And it shall come to pass that whosoever will not hearken to my words which he shall speak in my name I will require it of him. I especially like this prophecy because Jesus acknowledges that the words he spoke didn't come from himself but the father as it is written in john 12:49-50 For I have not spoken of myself but the father which sent me he GAVE ME A COMMANDMENT what I should say and what I should speak for I know his commandment is life everlasting whatsoever I speak therefore even as the father said to me so I speak.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

@@jirehseiuli6173 Hi, Jireh. Those prophecies don't teach anything that contradicts the doctrine of the Trinity. Scripture says the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct from one another. And it also teaches that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. And while all of that is true, it also teaches that God is one. Shalom, Rob

[@merlinthemessenger]

@@TheBiblicalRoots if there is a mystery that's not biblical. Jesus Christ is a man, begotten from a virgin Mary. John 1:3 is not saying "by him" , correct one should be "through him" . Watch trinity delusion brother Kel or Focus on the kingdom sir Antony Buzzard. Please have a debate with them! God of Jesus Christ bless you!

[@tonybenjamin7844]

Doesn't it say "let Us make man in Our image"....not in our "physical" image? So to me image simply implies consciousness/emotions/etc.

[@lonnierandall7882]

The Meaning of One 1Co 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is ONE Spirit. The Spirit is God's essence. Spirit is what God is, and the Spirit He is is the Holy Spirit. That is the missing key to understanding "the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The reason the Father and the Son are One is because they are the Holy Spirit. This scripture makes it plain. The Spirit is also how we are one in them when we believe. Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but IN THE SPIRIT, if so be that THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELL IN YOU. Now if any man have not THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his. 10 ¶ And if CHRIST be IN YOU, the body is dead because of sin; but THE SPIRIT IS LIFE because of righteousness. 11 But if THE SPIRIT OF HIM THAT RAISED UP JESUS from the dead DWELL IN YOU, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by HIS SPIRIT THAT DWELLETH IN YOU. Ro 12:5 So WE, BEING MANY, ARE ONE BODY IN CHRIST, and every one members one of another. 1Co 10:17 For we being many are ONE BREAD, and ONE BODY: for we are all partakers of that ONE BREAD. 1Co 12:12 ¶ For as THE BODY IS ONE, AND HATH MANY MEMBERS, and all the members of that ONE BODY, being many, are ONE BODY: SO ALSO IS CHRIST. In the exact same way, Jesus said,... Joh 10:30 I AND my Father ARE ONE. Joh 17:11 ¶ And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that THEY MAY BE ONE AS WE ARE: (IN THE SAME WAY) Joh 17:20 ¶ Neither pray I for these alone, but for THEM ALSO WHICH SHALL BELIEVE IN ME through their word; 21 THAT THEY ALL MAY BE ONE; AS THOU, FATHER, ART IN ME, AND I IN THEE, THAT THEY ALSO MAY BE ONE IN US: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that THEY MAY BE ONE, AS WE ARE ONE: (IN THE SAME WAY) 23 I IN THEM AND THOU IN ME, that they may be made perfect IN ONE; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. Joh 17:24 ¶ Father, I WILL THAT THEY ALSO, WHOM THOU HAS GIVEN ME, BE WITH ME WHERE I AM; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for THOU LOVEDST ME BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I IN THEM. Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for HE DWELLETH WITH YOU, AND SHALL BE IN YOU. 18 ¶ I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU. Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE WILL COME UNTO HIM, AND MAKE OUR ABODE WITH HIM. Jesus comes to us in the Holy Spirit. The Spirit doesn't leave them, it emanates from them. That is how God is omnipresent. His Spirit permeates every place in heaven and earth. In the book of Revelation, in the last two chapters, where it talks about the new heaven and the new earth, we find no mention of the Holy Spirit. But the Holy Spirit is there, in the Father and the Son. What we do see is a river of life flowing out of the throne. Re 22:1 ¶ And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. Joh 7:37 ¶ In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) Joh 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water. 11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. Trinity isn’t a good explanation of theFather, Son and Holy Spirit. Look at these references to the Holy Spirit. These are from the kjv. Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, the Spirit, Spirit of God, Spirit of Jesus Christ, Spirit of the Lord , Spirit of Christ, Spirit of the living God, Spirit of our God, Spirit of your Father, holy Spirit of God, Spirit which is of God, Spirit of His Son, his Holy Spirit, My Spirit, His Spirit, the Lord is that Spirit, Spirit of grace, holy Spirit of promise, Spirit of adoption, Spirit of life in Christ, Spirit of life from God, the Spirit itself. The way the Spirit is described in the scripture as being "of God" and "of His Son" and being "His Spirit", it doesn't sound like a third person. I don't think the Spirit is a third person. I think it is what God is. Just as you and I are human beings, the Father and Son are Holy Spirit. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Spirit is what God is, and the Spirit He is is the Holy Spirit.

[@FeastofChamps]

Genesis 19:24 - you should know that angels are called "God" in Tanakh. It's a linguistic convention. Same with prophets and judges. So, no point in bringing Jesus into this.

[@janosterud4188]

In 1 John 2:1 it plainly states Jesus is that comforter not someone else. Of course You have to look up the words and see that comforter used in the gospel chapters is the same word as advocate in His epistle and You understand plainly who the comforter is

[@PUSH2Tim]

I LOVE that last bit about the Father giving all authority to the Son and the Son only doing what He see the Father doing and the Spirit not seeking His own glory but revealing to us the revelation of who God is (i know I didn’t say that last bit right) …it would make a great short clip!♥️♥️♥️Shalom

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

He who overcomes, I (Jesus) will make him a pillar in the temple of ((My God)) and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of (My God) and the name of the city of (My God) the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from (My God). And I will write on him My new name. Revelation 3:12

[@narcissistinjurygiver2932]

@Christopher Geer really? the monotheistic god who you traded for the catholic trinity god???

[@narcissistinjurygiver2932]

@Christopher Geer you are lying to claim that you worship the god of the jews. no jew ever worshiped a trinity and Enoch never wrote about one. the trinity originated in Babylonian sun worship. Same with sunday worship, easter and xmass. your satanic catholic church voted to make their god a trinity at 325ad. so do tell me how god uses human sacrifice to atone for sin and how you no longer have to keep the law

[@JonathanGrandt]

Good and clear teaching. I have always been a little on the fence in regard to The Trinity and end up in a more Binitarian position… but I am open to listening and learning.

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

Have you ever heard of Biblical Unitarians?

[@GBM-m4s]

How can Jewish scholar used as reference to explained Trinity , the bible clearly teach there is one and only one true God(Jesus ).

[@FormerTrucker]

Imagine standing before the throne of the Lord and when he speaks you hear two other voices with his own at the same time. The one being has three self-conscious parts. Beyond comprehension.

[@RevRichard3rdJD]

In creation the Scriptures actually say created in the image of Elohim...not in the image of YHWH...so there is this assumption we are created in the image of God but its not actually said in Scriptures...as a matter of fact in Isaiah God specifically says no person should be compared to God

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Richard. In Hebrew, the noun אֱלֹהִ֤ים (elohim) is one of the names used of God. It can refer to supernatural beings in general or God in particular. And they way to tell the difference is if the grammar that refers to _elohim_ (verbs, pronouns, etc.) is singular or plural. Genesis 1:27 says "So _elohim_ created man in His (singular) own image." So the _elohim_ in this verse points to God. Blessings, Rob.

[@donai77JesusisGod]

@Defending the Biblical Roots of Christianity You said that Jesus commanded his disciples to baptize in the three names of the trinity. Can you provide scriptural examples of anyone being baptized "in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost?

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Donai. I'm curious why it matters if anyone is mentioned as performing a baptism in the three names in Scripture. Is it not enough that Jesus commanded it? (Matt 28:19). ~Rob

[@donai77JesusisGod]

Well I think it matters greatly because Matt. 28:19 proves the earliest Christians believed in the oneness of the Godhead. Jesus definitely gave this command, but how did the apostles who witnessed Him say this interpret his words? If they thought Christ spoke of a trinity, my question is, why is there no recorded examples in the scriptures of them baptizing anyone in this manner? On the contrary, every recorded baptism that the apostles performed was in the Name of Jesus Christ. (Acts 2:38, Acts 8:16, Acts 10:44, Acts 19:5) Could it be that the Apostles actually obeyed Jesus' command and didn't merely repeat it, like the majority of churches do today when performing baptisms. They knew that the Name of the Father is Jesus (John 5:43) The Name of the Son is Jesus (Matt. 1:21) and the Name of the Holy Ghost is Jesus (John 14:26) When the doctrine of the trinity was codified by the state church it officially changed baptism from "in the Name of Jesus Christ" to the trinitarian form that we have today. Britannica Encyclopedia, 11th Edition, Volume 3, page 365

[@joe4369]

@@TheBiblicalRoots *smh* not true! Matt 28:19 extremely likely added later, you know that. You're going to tell these people that Jesus commanded it as if it is undeniable fact that he said it? Unbelievable! Any basic web search of "matt 28:19 not original" should be sufficient for those of you that want to do your research.

[@samael5782]

@@joe4369 Exactly. Matt 28:19 was altered much later in the 2nd or 3rd century by the church, admitted by Pope Benedict XVI in a lecture: "Die Grundform unseres Bekenntnisses [Matthäus 28,19 Trinitarier] hat sich im Lauf des 2. und 3. Jahrhunderts im Zusammenhang mit dem Taufvollzug gebildet. Was seine [Matthäus 28,19] lokale Herkunft angeht, so handelt es sich um einen stadtrömischen Text." - Joseph Ratzinger (Papst Benedict XVI), Einführung ins Christentum. Vorlesungen über das Apostolische Glaubensbekenntnis, München, S. 45. (I can translate the German for you if a online translator does a bad job at it).

[@AndrewFisherOfMen]

It’s one God and his name is Jesus, yet the son is separate from the father. The father’s name is Jesus and the Words name is Jesus, Jesus the word is the God(Jehovah) of the Old Testament. Jesus has always been the only Image of the invisible God, Jesus walked with Adam in the garden, Jesus spoke to Moses from the burning bush. While at the same time being separate from the invisible Father who also shares the name Jesus just as they share the name Jehovah. Because it’s still one God, separated by 3. The father, son, and holy ghosts name is Jesus Christ because it’s still one God even Though they are separate at the same time. The Word was with God and was God at the same time in the beginning.

[@adamlekki9592]

Makes perfect sense to me. The Bible says we're made in the image and likeness of God. Where is the separation between the mind and the body.. and the spirit 🤔. You can call them one.

[@Donjuan1Demarco]

Very well explaining the Trinity

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thank you, donjuan! R.

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

Many tritarians add to Scripture and say, We must believe in the trinity to be saved....Sirs what must I do to be saved ? What do you say? I hold to Ephesians 2:8-10 Donny Swaggert who holds to the pre rib rapture theory said once if you don't believe in the rapture you're not saved. Silly.

[@rightousliving]

The philosophical argument about God having to be a plurality because being love he needs to have been able to express love towards another person before creation is interesting, but fallacious, too. This sounds nice but is absurd when we consider that God is also a jealous God. So they are all jealous about each other. God is also an angry God so the persons in the trinity are angry with each other because how else could anger and wrath and hatred be expressed before creation? So again I disproved another argumen for the trinity. Sorry guys.

[@unitarianapologetics4669]

Sommer doesn't believe in an Orthodox Trinity, he teaches Divine Fluidity where the One God can fragment himself. The Trinity is nonsense. None of those verses you being up teach the "Deity" of Christ.

[@jojivarghese5105]

If god is in 3 forms why did not bible say clear god is one and his name should be one for tha generetions Exodus 3:15 (KJV) And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Joji! The Bible says God is one because God _is_ one. There is only one God, and He is a triune deity unlike any other being in existence. Blessings, Rob

[@thomasbrisbane7122]

Listen to the words. 3 part nature? It's coherent but I don't understand it?. Really??? That is a disconnect..

[@sundownsam3369]

You appeared to be insulted by my question, which is why you added, "Are you telling me how to think and speak?" "You come across as self-righteous and extremely arrogant." I have noticed that many christians tend to make false accusations when a question is bitter to their taste, and you appear to be one of them. Why did you write a page on the gospel? Is the gospel being discussed or the Godhead? The statement I made was to make a point, not to discuss what the Gospel is all about. Unless, you want to show you know the Gospel? Here you are making a false accusation, not realizing that you are making a false accusation. Isn't there a word for that?

[@donai77JesusisGod]

@Defending the Biblical Roots of Christianity You said that denying the trinity is irrational but I disagree. I believe the trinity is departing from the biblical mandates of scripture. Scriptures declare that God is one with no distinction of persons. I believe in the absolute oneness of God and in the deity of Jesus. The trinity is an invention of the Roman Catholic Church 381 Council of Constantinople. The earliest followers of Jesus worshipped Him as the one true God manifest in the flesh (1 Tim. 3:16)

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi Donai. You said that you "believe in the absolute oneness of God and in the deity of Jesus." So do I. So does every trinitarian. Best, Rob

[@donai77JesusisGod]

@@TheBiblicalRoots True, but here is the question we all must answer. Is Jesus in the Godhead or is the Godhead in Jesus?

[@donai77JesusisGod]

@@TheBiblicalRoots This is my last pitch. I personally believe preaching and teaching the absolute oneness of God (not the trinity) is the only way to reach the Jews, and skeptics like Tovia Singer. The doctrine of the trinity is the reason many of them reject Christianity outright. But if we show that we believe in the oneness view of Jesus Christ they will be more open to the gospel message. Peace and blessings.

[@exposingfakechristianity5556]

@@donai77JesusisGod ,.....You are correct, there is no such thing as the trinity. That is a false manmade CONcept. However, the Bible clearly tells us that there is one God and our (the worlds) one God is made up of seven spirits. This is why God commanded the Menorah to be made with seven lamps. They are a representation of the seven spirits of God. Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." Revelation 4:5 "And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God." Revelation 3:1 "And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead." Revelation 1:4 "John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;"

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

@@exposingfakechristianity5556 I will add this, To claim we must believe Jesus is God (2 gods) for salvation or you must not believe in it is adding to the written word and that makes one a false teacher on judgement day,

[@orangemanbad]

This is without question the most coherent and best put together, from scripture, evidence for a historic trinity. From a confused Christian who fell away.

[@PamelaMills-o1z]

Jesus said the Father and I are one. No mention of the Holy Spirit. Paul did not make salutations to Father, Son AND Holy Spirit. Why not if they are three persons. If the Holy Spirit is a person then He is Jesus’ Father. The Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary. I understand the Holy Spirit is Spirit and is the POWER of God, and is the means of which God the Father and Jesus who are one, reside in a believer. I am still trying to work it out. Pam.

[@derekcarver7489]

Professor you missed somethings at the bit about Abraham. All 3 men answered together genesis 18.4. Then all 3 men asked the question where is Sarah genesis 18.9. It's clear that Abraham answered to all of them aswell. Genesis 18.16-17. The most important verses of all to me states that all 3 men look towards sodom and Abraham walks off with them then god speaks to Abraham. Genesis 18.17. God starts talking to himself aswell. Shall i conceal from Abraham what i am doing. 😂😂😂 God messiah and the Holy spirit turned up at Abrahams place. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽. Thank you lord for writing that the way you did.

[@mf4674]

The ultimate red line in Christianity is The Trinity. If you reject The Trinity, you are not Christian at all. If you do not have The Right God, you do not have The Right Jesus and you do not have The Right Gospel. The Trinity is so Beautiful. Glory to our Beautiful Triune God !!!

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

I agree. I'm not a Christian, Sunday Christianity teaches the opposite of what the bible teaches, There is only ONE body from cover to cover ISRAEL...... Jesus only came for the lost house of Israel, New C, is ONLY for Israel and were not in it yet. Jeremiah 31:31-34. Go read it..... Gentiles=Unsaved. When we come to faith were no longer of the world. (Gentiles-Heathen-Goy) and we're grafted into Israel Romans 11. Dispensational theology is one of Satans greatest masterpieces....By the way Jews only make up 1-2 Tribes out of 12..... kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4OvY5uQiNV-e6c

[@indo3052]

This is bad behavior. To say all unitarians are not saved because they don’t believe its god in flesh are goung to hell? Thats horrible behavior

[@mf4674]

@@indo3052 where I said « Unitarians are not saved » in the message ? It is not a person who decide who will be saved or not. The only thing I said is if you have the wrong Jesus you have the wrong Gospel. Muslims say Jesus is the Messiah but we know we do not have the same Jesus.

[@indo3052]

@@mf4674 ok. Well majority of trinitarians says u arent saved if u dont believe thats god in flesh

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

Ephesians 1:17 I keep asking that the God (((of)))our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better. Romans 15:6 …so that with one heart and mouth you may glorify the God and Father (((of)))our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Corinthians 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father (((of))) our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort… Ephesians 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father (((of))) our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 1 Peter 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father (((of))) our Lord Jesus Christ! The above verses are very clear. Jesus Christ has a God. Who is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ? Ephesians 1:17 very clearly says that this God is our glorious Father. Jesus Christ himself called our Father his “God” and Father many different times in Scripture.

[@brentjacobs3264]

Dr Michael S Heiser does a very good teaching on the Trinity in the Old Test I highly recommend you watch it, it's actually called Two Powers of the God head. His Scholary work is fantastic as he takes you through all of it from Genesis through the TaNaK. Blessings Brent.

[@chapo148]

The godhead is a human myth. Two powers ? So there is no third ? Is God a single, dual or triune entity according to what Jesus revealed who the father is ? Remember Jesus said who has seen me has seen the father.

[@chapo148]

@@CleanlinessisGodliness the spirit is the power of God Jesus inherited. Never has there been a triune god until the romans came. I agree with you What I strongly oppose is the flag in your profile. David never had a star symbol and the only religious symbol Yahweh gave the Israelites i.e. the 12 tribes of Jacob is the menora. That symbol is in the tora, not a fake star. God bless

[@chapo148]

@@CleanlinessisGodliness according to both bible and torah semites were people speaking the semite language. Thwy were not a ethnic group. In fact it is written in the first chapters of Genesis, not all tribes of Jacob spoke semite language so many of them weren't semites. I am a bible abiding believer, I don't go by human books. So if you call me names so be it. God bless

[@chapo148]

@@CleanlinessisGodliness in addition, God gave a people the tora on mount horeb, not an ethnic group. Honestly, I wish and pray people would turn back to basic faith as per their religious book

[@chapo148]

@@CleanlinessisGodliness so you are setting a trap to christians ? See how ignorant you are for your own teachings in torah after I mentioned how in Genesis God defined Semites.

[@PaulRasmussen18]

When the queen says we are not amused this is a plurality as she's speaking of the crown , it's Muslims that started the royal we and Jews and uniterians jumped on the bandwagon

[@margarita9520]

sorry, the bilble says HIm, not J. you do not add, change o take out.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thanks, Margarita. So who does "Him" refer to in that verse? ~Rob

[@dayahjohn8384]

Many falls doctorines have immerged, because of the Replced Name " JESUS " that was orchastrted by the Roman Kings, that is " JESUS " over the True Name Elohim asked The angel to give that is " Yahushuwah " to give Joseph n Mary. YAH is the poetic Name ( Yahweh or Yahuwah ) of Elohim ( Psalms 68:4 / Yesayahoo ( Issayah ) 12:2 / Revelation 19:1-6 ). SON of Elohim ( GOD) is no one but Adham ( Luke 3 :38 ). Yahuwah was manifested in flesh and was " CALLED " SON of GOD( Luke 1:35 ) and was also known as, last or 2nd Adham( 1 Corinthians 15:45 ) This is a mystery ( 1 Timothy 3:16 ) when you begin to understand, declare, love HIS TRUE NAMES ( Elohim n Savior ) One's spirit will be lifted up ( Psalms 91:14 ) to hear the last trumphet ( Revelation 10:7 ) and the Mystery of GOD will be over in those lives and will declare GOD is one ( Deuteronomy 6: 4 )

[@antoroc1]

Excellent, praise God...thank you professor... though the doctrine of the trinity and the God head is a mystery, Christians must have a biblical understanding of God... have confidence to proclaim...

[@exposingfakechristianity5556]

Antonio,.....The false manmade doctrine of the nonexistent trinity is not a mystery, it is just a manmade false teaching. Those that proclaim this false manmade doctrine are not those who belong to Jesus.

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

3 god trinity brainwashing 101. Despite there being dozens of verses where many proclaim the Father is the God of Jesus trinity teachers will say, yea but its a mystery so you must believe in it.

[@exposingfakechristianity5556]

@@Spartanthermopylae ,.....Please show me where in the Bible it shows us a prophet of God, Jesus, or any of the apostles offering proof of their statements? The Bible is not about proof but faith. The just shall live by faith not by proof. As disciples of Jesus, we simply state what the truth of Gods word is, we do not prove it. We are seed planters, it is God who makes the seed grow if it is his will to do so.

[@JGez83]

@@Spartanthermopylae yes he is a troll that red herrings moves the goalpost and Gish gallops around those that refute him.

[@JGez83]

@@Spartanthermopylae never

[@leeenk6932]

Isn't the Hebrew word "Elohim" which is translated "God" actually plural? Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear oh Israel, the LORD (Yahweh) our God (Elohim), the LORD (Yahweh) is one (echad) LORD (Yahweh) Elohim =Plural Echad= One Same word is used in Genesis 2:24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and THEY shall become ONE ( Echad) flesh. The two became one (Echad)

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thanks, Mark. Yes, Elohim is morphologically plural; the _im_ ending of elohim makes the noun plural. But it's one of those "special cases" in Biblical Hebrew. And in the passages where it refers to God, the grammar around it is singular. So *God* (Elohim, plural) *created* (the verb is singular) man in his *own* (a third masculine singular suffix in Hebrew) image. Personally, I see this "special case" as more evidence of the plurality of God, Blessings, Rob

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

@@TheBiblicalRoots For those who have eyes to see..... Genesis 1:26 explained in 4 minutes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aJSUh6CAl9WXna8

[@leeenk6932]

@@TheBiblicalRoots thankyou. Yes Ive made this point to non Trinitarians that Elohim is plural, but used to Yahweh in singular. I just wanted to make sure I was understanding this correctly, because I'm not an expert in Hebrew. Blessings!

[@hebrewquotes3148]

This is by far one of the best video on the Godhead ! The evidence is actually overflowing and still some if not most , will not accept it. I guess they will have to wait till they get to Heaven to see if its true!

[@exposingfakechristianity5556]

HQ,....There is no trinity. That is a false manmade CONcept.

[@hebrewquotes3148]

@@exposingfakechristianity5556 Read the Bible and see for yourself. Don't his or mine words for it. Allow God to completely make you understand.

[@exposingfakechristianity5556]

@@hebrewquotes3148 ,....I am very familiar with the word of God, I have been studying it for 35 years. There is no trinity in the Bible. The Bible clearly tells us God is seven spirits and not three. This is why the Menorah has seven lamps and not three. Everything the church teaches and believes is wrong. If the church thinks there is a trinity, that should instantly tell you it is a false teaching. Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."

[@sundownsam3369]

​@@exposingfakechristianity5556 Even though the Shema implies the compound unity of the one God, which Jews understand but refuse to admit, your 35 years are meaningless; the Spirit of God is the one who teaches.

[@nothingbutthetruth613]

Here's the questions you need to answer. If God is truly this 3 part being (which nobody can really explain), don't you think this is beyond a fundamental thing we need to know? Shouldn't this be the 101 of Judaism? If so, why is it never ever clearly mentioned in the 24000 verses in the ot? I am not talking about these verses he ridiculously tries to quote in this video. None of these verses say anything that is clear and to say they are ambiguous is an extreme understatement. I mean any verse that resembles in any way something like "God is one..in 3 parts". How hard would it have been to say this just once? How is it possible that we are never told about some sort of triune being? Don't you find this at all troubling?

[@built4speed101]

Three Distinct Persons, One Eternal Being...who is God! Amen! 🔥

[@indo3052]

Like tovia singer says, we shouldnt use the word persons unless we are gonna use it correctly that aligns with hoe modern day uses ut

[@exposingfakechristianity5556]

Wrong!

[@joe4369]

*smh* not true!

[@nothingbutthetruth613]

How can anyone be 1 being and 3 people? You could say this all day long but it will never make sense. Nobody, including apologists, have any clue how this could be

[@shadowbannedforspeakingtru1436]

@@nothingbutthetruth613 ,....First off, God is not three people, God is seven spirits as the Bible clearly tells us. Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth." Second, because something does not make sense to you means nothing. Do you think you can understand God? You are nothing but a spiritually dead and blind man, you know nothing. Job Chapter 38 1, "Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 2, Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge? 3, Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me. 4, Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5, Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? 6, Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; 7, When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? 8, Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? 9, When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, 10, And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors," Job Chapter 40 1, "Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said, 2, Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it. 3, Then Job answered the LORD, and said, 4, Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth. 5, Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further. 6, Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said, 7, Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me. 8, Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous? 9, Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him? 10, Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty."

[@judemichaelvelez6789]

If only we are able to understand nor comprehend Gods nature of being a triune God then we wouldnt need Him. As a finite creature...i humbly submit i will never understand Gods true nature BUT i know He send His Son, Lord Jesus Christ to save us, leaves the Holy Spirit to be our guide and the Father who waits for us on His throne. So i believe in the trinity and that would be enough for my life time. Shalom. Thanks RL

[@ryanestess]

When reading Colossians you accidentally still had the reference to John 1:1-3

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

Only God is to be worshipped ? Lot saw the 2 angels and bowed down and worshipped them, (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) . Genesis 19:1 “And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself (Worshipped-- H7812 - šāḥâwith) his face toward the ground;” . Genesis 23:7 Then Abraham rose and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ before the people of the land, the Hittites. . Genesis 33:3 He himself [Jacob] went on ahead and bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ to the ground seven times as he approached his brother [Esau]. . Genesis 42:6 Now Joseph was the governor of the land, the one who sold grain to all its people. So when Joseph’s brothers arrived, they bowed down H7812 - šāḥâ to him with their faces to the ground. . Matthew 18:26 “The servant fell on his knees [proskuneo] before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’

[@stargategoku]

Why the word "TRINITY" couldn't be found in the Bible but WHY It is True. TRI-UNITY or TRINITY existed from Genesis to Revelation. The word TRINITY cannot be found in the Bible because it is the name of an inference from Deductive Arguments which is the process of reasoning from one or more STATEMENTS/ PREMISES TO REACH a LOGICAL CONCLUSION TRINITY (TRI-UNE GOD means 3 Divine Persons in 1 Divine Being.) arguments example: "3 Divine Persons in 1 Divine Person" or "3 Divine Beings in 1 Divine Being" are LOGICALLY INCORRECT but "3 Divine Persons in 1 Divine Being" is LOGICALLY CORRECT because "Person" is NOT the SAME OR EQUAL TO "Being". Difference between Person & Being is Person means WHAT MAKES SOMEONE WHO IT IS and Being means what makes SOMETHING WHAT IT IS or ESSENCE and NATURE of EXISTENCE of a person or a thing Malak is a hebrew word for Messenger or angel in english or angelos in greek and it'ss not ontologically (means default) created or uncreated being. The context will define if Malak is created or uncreated. For example of uncreated MALAK (The Angel of THE LORD) in Genesis 16v7-14 where "MALAK YHWH" appeared to Hagar in Genesis 16v7 and Moses narrated that the MALAK YHWH as YHWH and Hagar called the MALAK YHWH as "You-Are-the-God-Who-Sees" in Genesis 16v13 "And calling is Hagar the name of Yahweh Who spoke to her, "You-El-see me.For she says, "Moreover, hither see I, after my seeing? [CLV Translation] or in Exodus 3v2 where MALAK YHWH appeared to Moses and later verses the MALAK YHWH said "I AM GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" in Exodus 3v7-16 like the popular "I AM WHO I AM" in Exodus 3v14. Why most bible beliefs (Christianity and false beliefs i..e. watchtower society (jw'sreligion), inc, judaism, unitarianism) used Jehovah God which in literal hebrew is "YHWH Elohim"but when it comes to MALAK YHWH, In english, they translated it to "The Angel of THE LORD "? Elohim is a hebrew word means God or gods in english. Elohim is not ontologically (means default) Deity or not deity. The context will define if Elohim is Deity or undeity because Elohim is function or role. For example Elohim was used as Deity in Genesis 1v1 who created the universe and living things (man, beast & plants) but in Exodus 7v1 YHWH made Moses "Elohim" to Pharaoh but it doesn't mean Moses is deity and all knowing powerful being unlike in Genesis 1v1. Statements/Premises which support the doctrine of TRINITY and separate Person: premise 1. Genesis 1v26 Elohim (God in english) said "let us make man in our image" premise 2. Genesis 1v2 premise 3. Exodus 3v2 MALAK YHWH Exodus 3v6 I am GOD of Abraham , Isaac & Jacob, 3v14 I AM WHO I AM Ex 3v15, 3v16 premise 4. Isaiah 48v12-16 premise 5. Isaiah 63v7-14 premise 6. John 1v1 "In the the Beginning Was The WORD, THE WORD WAS WITH GOD AND THE WORD WAS GOD." premise 7. John 17v5 JESUS said "And now, FATHER, GLORIFY ME IN YOUR OWN PRESENCE WITH THE GLORY THAT I HAD WITH YOU BEFORE THE WORLD EXISTED. Who is mere man can ask GOD THE FATHER to glorify him and he can say that he existed before the world was? premise 8. John 1v18 "No one has seen GOD but only God (MONOGENES THEOS) [ESV] premise 9. Zechariah 2.8-12 premise 10. Genesis 3v22 premise 11. Genesis 11v7 Premise 12. Genesis 18 Premise 13. Genesis 19v24 premise 14. Genesis 35v1 (Elohim said to Jacob make an altar to EL in Bethel who appeared to him). Premise 15. 2 Samuel 23 (GOD THE SPIRIT) Premise 16. Exodus 24v1 "Then He said to Moses, “Come up to the LORD, you and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, and you shall worship at a distance. said to Moses". Why YHWH said " come up to me" who was speaking instead of come to YHWH ? Premise 17. Joshua 5 (MALAK YHWH) Premise 18. Judges 6 (MALAK YHWH Premise 19. Judges 13 Premise 20. Genesis 16v7-14 Premise 21. Matthew 28v19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of THE FATHER and of THE SON and of the HOLY SPIRIT," Premise 22. Psalms 110v1, 5 HA ADONAI There are many more statements/premises which proves the separate personality of MALAK YHWH (GOD THE SON), GOD THE SPIRIT and GOD THE FATHER but same in essence and nature of existence in the OT & NT Anti-trinitarian (jews, , inc church of Christ, jw or unitarian "christian") don't know what's the difference between TRINITY and tritheism which are different in terms of doctrine. they (anti-trinitarian) accused christians believing in 3 gods but IT'S FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. Tritheism' and TRINITY are contradicting belief . tritheism doctrine is believing in 3 persons and 3 gods but TRI-UNITY ( TRINITY) is doctrine of 3 Divine Person in 1 Divine Being. Jewishness and The Trinity from Messianic Jew Scholar Excerpt from Messianic Jewish (Christian Jew) View of the Trinity Based on the Hebrew Scriptures: by Jews for Jesus It is an all-too-common assumption that the concept of the Trinity is a purely Christian idea. But the idea of a God being a three-in-one unity actually has its roots in foundational Judaism and in the Hebrew Scriptures. Even the concept of the Holy Spirit, the Ha-kodesh, originates in the Hebrew Scriptures-as early as Genesis 1.

[@andrewbrown9497]

One God that can compared to one God that is three?

[@johnpratts2856]

I'm a Messianic and this is great news! My congregation believes in the triune God. The word "Trinity" is not really used because it's more of a Catholic thing. But now knowing that Trinity means Tri-Unity, this makes a lot more sense. Thanks, prof!

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Baruch HaShem! ~Rob

[@JudeOne3Four]

Trinity means three in unity. Three *what* in unity? 3 gods, period, It doesn't matter how you slice it. The Bible DOES NOT teach polytheism nor mysticism. The God of Israel is 1 Person just like the first man He created in His *own* image and likeness.

[@OLskewL]

Just use "Godhead" then?

[@johnpratts2856]

@@OLskewL Yes or Triune. These work best. Nothing wrong with the word Trinity. But there's a lot of historical baggage in it because of the dark history of Catholics.

[@JudeOne3Four]

@@YahIsOurRighteousness God was speaking with plurality of majesty, God was making an announcement. Matthew 19:4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that *He* who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female? See, Jesus corrects your error. Question: How many persons is, He?

[@rightousliving]

They are interesting theories and we can philosophise all day long on the nature of God. Each argument unfortunately can be refuted because the logical conclusions drawn are fallacious. The three men are not YHVH as Professor Solberg claims. See verse 22 of the same chapter: Genesis 18:22 And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD. The three men went toward Sodom but YHVH was still with Abraham. He left later: Genesis 18:33 And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place. Clearly, the theory that the three men represent a triune God is clearly thus disproven.

[@servantofthemosthigh6257]

Shalom, let me pose a question for you to ponder for you edification: According to Yahshua (John 4:24) His Father is Spirit. Looking at the trinity diagram, it show both The Father (Spirit) and The Holy Spirit as separate beings. Here is the question: Which Spirit came up on Mary to bring forth Christ? Is not Father a "title", thus, The Holy (set-apart) Spirit and "The Father" not one and the same? Remember YHWH is not the author of confusion. Shalom.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Thanks, SoTMH. I get it. The Trinity is a very abstract idea that we can't fully get our minds around. Which is kind of beautiful, when you think about it because if mankind could fully understand everything about the Living God who made all things, He would be a very small God. The Bible teaches several facts about YHWH that are all true at the same time: First that He is one; there is only one God. Second, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. And lastly, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct from one another. "Now the birth of Jesus Christ took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit." (Matt 1:18) Blessings, RLS

[@servantofthemosthigh6257]

@@TheBiblicalRoots Shalom, Not sure your spiritual journey so I will inquire, have you ever looked up the origins of the Trinity theology? I believe if you were to do so, you would find that this theology was not held by the earliest believers and did not become theology until the end of the second century / early third century (even coming to this conclusion took steps and several years). Something that might be of interest is a book written by a Jewish Rabbinical scholar by the title of "Two Powers in Heaven" which reveals that the earliest christians, including some Jews, believed in two powers in heaven, both good, one invisible (Spirit), the other visible, based on old testament scriptures. Sometimes both present in the same passage. If you look at Genesis 19:24 you will see two YHWH's mentioned in the same passage, one visible interacting with Abraham, the other invisible in the heavens. Yahshua (Jesus) Himself states that His Father (father is a title) is Spirit ( John 4:24) thus there is only one Spirit who is the Father of Christ His Son. Biblical passages many, if not all trinitarians use as proof such as, Matthew 28:19 & 1 John 5:7, have both been questioned as to their authenticity. There is an encyclopedia entry (archive.org/details/mat-28-19-baptismal-formula-changed/mode/1up) reveals a Catholic priest as stating that the baptismal formula was changed from the name of Yahshua ( see Acts 2:38) to the Trinity formula. Something else that might be of interest is that the generic word God was not used in the original Hebrew text. The word used was elohim (over 2500+times) which is a word that does not always refer to The Most High. An example of this would be Genesis 1:1, which states that "In the beginning elohim created the heavens and the earth". This elohim is described in the New Testament verses of John 1, Hebrews 1, Colossians 1 as being Yahshua, The Most High's Son, The firstborn of all creation ( Revelation 3:15 & Colossians 1) whom came from heaven at The Most High's request (John 6:38). One thing that should be understood by all mature believers is, this is a story of a Loving Heavenly Father (who is Omnipresent Spirit) and His preincarnate Son. If you look up John 17:3, you will how Yahshua sums it up. Hope you find this enlightening for you edification. Shalom.

[@yeni_daughterOfGod]

If you believe in something thats a “mystery” then its not in the bible. God is not a God of confusion.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi, Yenisen. I'm not quite following you. Are you suggesting that humans can understand literally everything about God? ~Rob

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

@@TheBiblicalRoots God doesn't need to be born from a woman, God can't die, be tempted with sin, God doesn't pray to another god...... Jesus was a human.... Lets look into the words for deity and divinity. Lets find out if Yeshua and even us believers are divine? And finally lets find out if being divine makes you God.kzbin.info/www/bejne/mmSmnJKupJ6Vr7c

[@dream1way]

“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@grasonicus]

@dream1way This is the Comma Iohanneum and is well known to be a fraud. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannine_Comma There's no unambiguous evidence for the Trinity.

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

This is perhaps the one verse in particular that has been identified as a forgery by almost every major translation in the modern day. Even the King James will at least include a footnote that says "Not found in any of our oldest manuscripts".

[@jollyrancher521]

Many scholars believe that the words in this verse "There are Three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one" are an interpolation. These words are not found in any Greek manuscript earlier than the fifteenth century. They do not appear in the Latin Vulgate or any Latin version of the Bible before the ninth century.

[@dmoffitt1914]

I'm not sure why Gentile Christians have a problem with this when Paul already answers the question. There is one God, the father. Who gave his son authority over all creation. And all the creation is supposed to be one in Christ so that will be one with the father. Here is the scripture where it stated. ‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭8:6‬ ‭ [6] yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. ‭Colossians‬ ‭1:15‭-‬17‬ ‭(finish to verse 21) [15] He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. [16] For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things have been created through Him and for Him. [17] He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

The indoctrination that goes into getting people to believe in the Trinity and Jesus being God is almost unbelievable. They treat and teach this subject as an extremely emotional charged topic. That, while also teaching it as perhaps the most sacred and holy truth possible which if you don't believe you utterly spit on the face of God and Jesus. That's how. Plus 1600 years of this, everyone you know-love-and respect believing in it, your taught the Trinity and Jesus being God before you even read the Bible! Thats how. Speaking as someone who used to believe Jesus was God, instead of God's son like the Bible teaches. Thats how I could read something as so simple and straightforward as "To us there is one God, the Father" and think it means something different than what it's really saying 😅.

[@solitairecat1]

@@youngknowledgeseeker It does appear to be a source of blindness, like the Law. My sister-in-law said "the Spirit told me he is a triune God". I wonder if she has received the spirit of deception.

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

@solitairecat1 So many people say things like that, from all denominations. However if we do not have the privilege of having God communicate directly to us by the spirit, what else can we do but read scripture for truth, pray for truth, and use the hermeneutic of treating the Bible as books written in specific times in history that affect how we are to understand them. What happens when what we think is the spirit seems to contradict scripture

[@louislance8712]

I'm in agreement all that was said a treatment of it to me although a mystery simply indicates that we have the ability to even have these questions if then we are created in the image and likeness of God no one ever talks about the tri-part beings that we are A body a mind a soul and a spirit

[@rambido]

Hey Lou! You listed four parts! Yeshua in the gospels speaks a lot about this and Paul in his books writes extensively on same. Louis, you must study yourself with The Almighty His Word. Read gospel of John and book of Romans first. Those will propel you a long way! Take notes and hi-lite. The age of proxy-pastor-paid-opinionator is officially CLOSED, amen

[@sundownsam3369]

Rob Solberg, you say that the trinity is a concept you have trouble fully understanding. Though I do not care about the word trinity because God is one, not three, I do not think God will confuse us. I do not have any problems understanding the nature of the one God. I decided to activate a blog I had, and this month I started to write about what God has taught me. I wrote a page titled, IF GOD IS ONE, THEN WHO IS YESHUA? If you are interested in reading that page, I will send you my blog address. If you read it carefully, you will understand that God is one and why Yeshua is the Son of God.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

Hi Sam! The doctrine of the Trinity teaches that God is one. It also teaches that there is only one God and that God is one, and that there are not three gods. This is why every trinitarian in the world believes that God is one and there is only one God and not three. You might want to spend a little more time understanding the doctrine of the Trinity taught in Christianity. ;-) Did you know that the idea of the Trinity comes from five things Scripture teaches that are all true at the same time? *1. The Father is God* (Deut 32:6; Isa 63:16, 64:8; Jer 3:19; Matt 6:26; Luke 12:30; John 20:17; Rom 15:6; 1 Cor 8:6; 2 Cor 1:3) *2. The Son is God* (Matt 11:27, 28:18, 25:31-33; John 5:22, 27, 30, 8:16, 17:2; Acts 17:31; Rom 2:16; Eph 1:22-23; Col 2:10; 1 Pet 3:22; Phil 2:10) *3. The Holy Spirit is God* (Mark 3:28-29; Acts 5:3-4, 9:31; Rom 15:30; 1 Cor 6:11; Phil 2:1; Heb 10:15-17; Rev 2:18, 29) *4. The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are distinct from one another* (Matt 28:19; Rom 15:19; 2 Cor 13:14; Eph 2:21-22, 4:4-6; Phil 3:3; Rev 1:4-5, 2:7) *5. God is one* (Deut 6:4; Zech 14:9; Mark 12:29; 1 Cor 8:6; Jam 2:19) RLS

[@sundownsam3369]

​@@TheBiblicalRoots Rob Solberg, I understand exactly what you said, but without denying Yeshua's deity, it is incorrect to address Yeshua as God because God never addressed him as God; God addressed and revealed him as the Son of God. If God would have addressed him as God, then it would have gone against his own words that there is no other God before, after, or beside him. When one addresses Yeshua as God, one gives the impression that there is another God. Believers need to be taught to introduce Yeshua as the Son of God and the Messiah, the Savior, and not God, so that a polytheistic view of God is not introduced. Tell a Jew that Yeshua is God, and he will respond to you by saying that you believe in two gods. Tell him that Yeshua is the Son of God, the Messiah, and the Savior; he cannot say that you believe in two gods. Think about it.

[@sundownsam3369]

@@TheBiblicalRoots - Rob Solberg, tell me, how did God address and revealed Yeshua, as God or Son of God? I am asking you this question without denying Yeshua's deity, but if you address him as God you are saying there are two God and knowing God is one. God created all things through his son, not through God. Again, I am not denying the deity of Yeshua, but he is the Son of God.

[@TheBiblicalRoots]

@@sundownsam3369The question, Sam, is what does Scripture say about Jesus. "Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed the heir of all things, *through whom also he created the world."* (Heb 1:1-2) "For *from him and through him* and to him are *all things.* To him be glory forever. Amen" (Rom 11:36) "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and *_the Word was God._* He *was in the beginning with God.* All things were *made through him,* and without him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:1-3) "For *by him all things were created,* in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were *created through him and for him.* And *he is before all things,* and *in him all things hold together."* (Col 1:16-17) Shalom, RLS

[@sundownsam3369]

​@@TheBiblicalRoots - Rob, I am not disputing his deity, and I know he is of the essence of the one who brought him forth, but where in the scriptures does God address Yeshua as God? That is what I was asking, and I gave you the reason why he didn't. As you know, I have a blog, and I really do not want to put it on your KZbin because I am not the type of person to try to promote through someone else's KZbin. If you want, I can send it through your website so you can read it. Do you know that the Vatican has books that they do not put out? I do not know if you know who Nehemiah Gordon is, but he is a Jewish scholar who does not believe Yeshua is the Messiah, but to be honest, he brings everything out. I understand that he has a piece from the Vatican that reads John 1:1 in Hebrew this way: "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was beside God." We both know that he is of the essence of the one who brought him forth, but the Father addressed him and revealed him as his son. If you would like to read the article, just say it is okay to email it to you, and I will do it today.

[@tug-tog]

Can anyone please name a verse where the Holy Spirit was worshipped or prayed to in the entire Bible if he is seperate from Father and Son? I know some for them but not Spirit.

[@youngknowledgeseeker]

Apparently, there is none. It is never prayed to. It is never worshipped. It is never give greetings nor is it greeted.

[@paulvandergriff4209]

Nowhere in the bible does it claim that the holy spirit is a personal being (or person). Most of the letters in the new testament says something along the lines of "greetings in the name of the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ." The holy spirit is never included in the start of any of them. Isn't that odd that the writers left the holy spirit out?

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

Paul and Jesus both proclaimed the Father is the God of Jesus so if Hebrews 1:8 is correct thats a major contradiction. You agree?

[@JGez83]

Nope

[@jollyrancher521]

There are two ways that Hebrews 1:8 can be translated. Some translations render this verse "God is your throne" or "Thy throne given of God" meaning that God is the source of the Messiah's throne. The New Revised Standard Version has a footnote for Hebrews 1:8 that says, "Or [God is your throne]" as an alternative translation. The Good News Translation has the following footnote: "[or] God is your kingdom". This way of translating the verse appears to be the correct way since it is in harmony with the next verse, Hebrews 1:9, which says, "God, your God, has set you above your companions." Hebrews 1:8, 9 is actually quoting Psalm 45:6, 7. This Psalm originally applied to a human king, possibly Solomon. Obviously, the Psalmist did not think that Solomon was God.

[@ThomasBrennanthombre55]

Deuteronomy 6:4 (ESV): 4 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

[@jollyrancher521]

The Hebrew text of Deuteronomy 6:4 uses the divine name YHWH (Jehovah in English) twice: "Jehovah our God is one Jehovah." The fact that the majority of Bibles in English omit God's name in this verse and many other verses contributes to the confusion that surrounds the identity of God. When someone unversed in the Bible reads the word "Lord" in their Bible, they most likely think only of Jesus. They are not able to distinguish between Jehovah and Jesus.