Is the Valkyrie AWESOME or AWFUL?! | Astra Militarum | Warhammer 40,000

[@bruteforceknights]

It's funny, a friend and I as a meme took 2 valkyries in a kasrkin scion heavy 2000 point list against a necron army, we thought we were not going to win, but we were going to look cool while doing it, however the valkyries acted as tar pits while the infantry moved around to take objectives, we won the match much to our suprise

[@bee5440]

Funny! I did a fluffy aircraft battle, doomscythe versus valkyrie, and the doomscythe did I think 17 wounds on its first shot and obliterated the valkyrie. Wild how much aircraft performance varies

[@Mythralblade04]

Of note for the grav-chute insertion; you can rapid ingress onto scrambler fields in your opponent's turn (because the valkyrie isn't deep striking ONTO the objective, just NEXT to it, and the scions are disembarking, not deep striking), and you can decide whether to put scions out onto an objective after seeing whether the enemy will get a bead on them. You can also ripcord your unit if you see that the valkyrie is going to get blown up that turn.

[@AnneKinzler]

Very true! Also, you can use Grav-Chute Insertion to place units closer than 9". This combined with the Order changes means you can drop quite a lot of OC on top of an opponent's back field objectives if they leave them lightly protected.

[@karlnygren]

This is the only real use I see with it, to take an objective in the opponents turn. Other than that, just disembark the squad in your movementphase.

[@odstboo1471]

What do you mean ripcord? Like when it dies models inside dont take damage? Or is it something else.

[@Mythralblade04]

@@odstboo1471 Exactly that. Enemy moves, you see them lining up shots on the Valk, you disembark before they shoot and don't have to roll for your guys.

[@agentcoriolis9208]

I’m still struggling to understand why it went up in cost, despite it being an inefficient option at the height of our brief power boost in 9th. But I believe 40k has never been particularly kind to flyers

[@firebug7208]

They never have been kind to guard balancing wise either haha

[@nassirahmad4873]

I love my Valkyries. I have two of them. Joker is all black with a Joker face on one side and a bunch of HAHAHAHAHA! on the other side. He usually carries Kasrkin. Clarice is pink, beautiful, and usually carries my Ogryn squad, Lindsey’s Lovelies. Death from above! 🖤💖💀

[@Tutel0093]

Only a true airships lover names it's childs Mine are Green River, Bad Moon and Fortunate Son.

[@Livefast223]

That’s awesome🤘

[@jonsmith2240]

I run two with my scions. They stick around far longer than they should, give a distraction carnifex, provide a turn one pressure, I find them very useful on the tabletop - more so than the profile appears

[@richardbaker4088]

A scion command unit can give its orders, embark into the valkyrie, then use the grav-chute to order on your opponent's turn, and repeat. Strangely, they can use this to hold an objective but also not.

[@QuirkyQ32]

if grav chute insertion worked for all units i think it would work a lot better and cooler i wish i could use it for kasrkin

[@squiddy8336]

Problem is Kasrkin and Scions are so similar to start with they've got to have some differences rules wise. Fluff wise, the Kasrkin are the Grenadiers/Shock Trooper variant/equivalent of Scions, rather than the 'Tempestus Aquilons' style, which use grav-chutes like the Elysians. GW havent actually introduced any models for scions with grav-chutes so they just assume rules-wise that all scions have them, but fluff wise the Kasrkin never did. They get the scout move to make up for it tactically in-game.

[@anyth1ng258]

pls do one video about the marauder destroyer/bomber there are no videos on this planet about them ....

[@Darkwullfster]

The Valkyrie Vandetta was always a favorite of mine in previous editions, so much lascannon. Even now though, the Valk is basically a flying light tank that enemies will focus fire on instead of at your leman russ' or hot-shot flashlight boys, worth taking one or two. Anecdotally, they really seem to outperform against orks if you know you'll be fighting them.

[@LoneEagle2061]

The grav chute insertion rule is legacy from inception isn’t it? When the Valkyrie was a resin model, a Forgeworld exclusive - it was designed for the Elysian Drop Troops and a lot of that force had some way of getting deep strike. If an option for your Infantry Squad was grav chutes, I’m pretty sure you’d find ways of dropping them on objectives :-)

[@Hurricayne92]

Its had a similar rule for a long time but as far as i am aware the deep strike requirement is new to 10th

[@squiddy8336]

Pretty much, fluff-wise its the grav-chuted models jumping out the back of a moving plane rather than it landing, which is why grav-chute insertion strats were for the scion detachment in later times that mitigated the 'fall' damage. I think its interesting to note the wording on the Valk specifically mentioned deep-striking units, not Scions (which are currently the only deep striking units), probably as a nod to future Elysian detachments/datasheets perhaps?

[@IlanMuskat]

Really thinking about using it to get Straken and some punchy-punchy Catachans into back lines.

[@ShadowGJ]

Loadout-wise, I suppose it simply comes down to specialization. The generalist road is probably the suggested one, lascannon and rocket pods. But an anti-armor one would equip both the lascannon and the Hellstrike missiles, while an anti-infantry (or anti-horde) variant would go with the multi-laser and the pods.

[@t3hSpAdEs]

11:30 the ability was very much designed with scions being embarked in mind which kind of handicaps its usefulness

[@warmachine5835]

As someone else pointed out, when there were rules for Elysians, their style made heavy use of these because even their basic infantry had Deep Strike. The idea was that the Elysians gave up all the heavy armor and artillery of the Guard to be able to deep strike with things like Drop Sentinels and Tauros buggies (which the Sky Talon could also haul around). Since there's no rules for Elysians anymore (Codex copium please GW... give me back my paratroopers), you end up in this situation where why wouldn't you just use something like a Taurox Prime for your Scions, which is the natural synergy? The answer is rule of cool, of course. But you're handicapping yourself on points cost and synergy to do it.

[@squiddy8336]

@@warmachine5835 I'd hold onto hope with the way they worded the rule. They could've just easily said 'scions', but instead they said 'models with deep strike', so maybe we'll get an Elysian killteam with rules for 40k, or even a 'rapid deployment detachment' that is essentially what the Elysian army list was before restriction wise.

[@hexzinggaming5040]

I’m not sure this works but it might. So if I’m right the rules say measure from aircraft’s hull so with grav chute insertion you could measure from the hull and insert troops high up on top of buildings/terrain to get the extra AP on weapons right from being 9 inch higher than target? It would also give them cover. Is there something I’m missing in the rules or an faq or does this work?

[@TheTobaccoman]

Love them so much I have many back when they could squadron. Dont regret it as they are one of the nicest looking aircraft in the game.

[@swest88041]

yeah man, rule of cool. I've been wanting to get a valkarie a while, I started playing in 8th, but since then I've only recall Ad Mech, Eldar ork blasta jets and Dark Angels flyers being any good for 3 editions... and all of the those were only good for a short period of time before they got nerfed to being unusable. If i had a group of people to play with that liked fluffy (non-competitive) games I'd love a valkarie... but everyone I have played causually brings cut-throat lists and I've been to a handful of RTTs and everytime I bring fun fluffy lists I just get upset that my cool new model gets shot off the board turn one. BUT IT'S DEF A COOL MODEL FOR SURE!!! IMOA

[@calebhurst2529]

Agreed! Hands down the best-looking flyer in the game.

[@zoso279]

I've never touched Imperial Guard before but when I watched Mordian's Ogryn and Inquisitor video it made me think of you could have them ride in the Valkyrie to quickly drop them off in a spot to lay into a juicy target. Got something sort of similar I do with my Eldar having a Wave Serpent drop off a group of Wraithguard to force enemies to either focus the Wave Serpent or focus on the Howling Banchees and Storm Guardians charging them.

[@ScottTheBot07]

Turn three isn’t fast enough for my ogryn brain. They can move 9” a turn with move move move and enjoy it.

[@javilo2797]

Doesnt work...

[@squiddy8336]

@@ScottTheBot07 Valk can start in hover on the board, that shaves a turn.

[@greynite1]

Love Love love this Unit Im a huge fan but feel so bad about the Point cost. I would Use the hell out of it if it were more cost effective. Right now it really feels like a Borderline fluffy unit.

[@Anaught-tbrk08]

Imo it seems like it's best use might be an overpriced distraction carnifex for fluff armies (as opposed to competitive ones).

[@PitFriend1]

The only advantage I can see of Grav Chute Insertion is that it both doesn’t cost any CPs to use and you could do it multiple times in the same turn unlike using the Rapid Insertion Strategem. Still rather niche but it might be useful for an airborne Scions force.

[@tomasdawe9379]

It also gets around interception type stratagems

[@jimmydesouza4375]

Even 150 is too expensive because of how it can't benefit from cover, can't receive orders and has no damage output. 100 points or 150 points with a buff to its weapons.

[@jacob5700]

Yeah, it's just kinda there right now. Doesn't do much.

[@hellhelghast]

If It hovers It loses the AIRCRAFT keyword and therefore can benefit from cover right?

[@karlnygren]

​@@hellhelghastyeah, but it then loses any advantage from the ability of the officer of the fleet, so win some, lose some..

[@jimmydesouza4375]

@@hellhelghast No. Or at least nit reliably. Large base means it cant fit in a lot of area terrain, flyer base means it never gets LOS concealment.

[@davidthomas2870]

I don't think it's particularly useful but the Valkyrie ability is one of the only ways to get orders activating in the enemy turn!

[@Raygun9000]

Do characters gain deep strike?

[@karlnygren]

​@@Raygun9000 As far as I know, they don't, but the Militarum Tempestus command squad have it.

[@davidthomas2870]

@@Raygun9000 no, but the militarum tempestus command squad has it natively

[@Ijmonty]

What I really want is for a Valkyrie to be able to carry a single Leamon Russ, sort of like how a Halo pelican carries a warthog. I don't even care if it would be good in the meta, I just think it would be cool.

[@_Miskoff]

There is a VALKYRIE SKY TALON in Legends that can drop a Tauros or 2 Walkers

[@Hurricayne92]

I think a Russ is a bit much but should certainly be able to carry light armour.

[@Sgt-lott10]

Perfect timing, took my valk to a 2k game, didn't finish but the valk actually pulled its weight! There was a very niche moment where it was the most ideal way to deal with the enemy's home objective

[@akodotain]

I use one for five parsecs from home to phys rep the crew's shuttle. I think they're strong for apocalypse style games where infinite range is a powerful way to get infantry across the battlefield?

[@spartstar45]

4:34 ... I was listening to fortunate song in that moment...

[@WritofPassage]

A tempestuous command squad can grav in and issue a take cover order. Not sure if that’s useful but with the change it’s a thing.

[@warmachine5835]

You may need to pair it with Go To Ground depending on where that drop is, which feels like a pretty big investment. Which admittedly might put it in the Distraction Carnifex bucket because Suddenly Scions right next to something valuable might provoke a reaction and keep the enemy from focusing all its guns on your battleline (holding objectives) or your tanks. Since it occurs AFTER your opponent moved, do they try and kill the Valkyrie, try to kill the more valuable tanks, or pivot to the Scions to prevent them fucking up whatever valuable thing they're about to put all that plasma and melta into. (With the benefit of Born Soldiers and any other Remain Stationary rules because they didn't have to move in your movement phase.)

[@brianwynne6835]

I got 2 in my Rouge guard force, their great at dropping troops were needed, or some good fire power on mass infantry of light vehicles.

[@brianwynne6835]

They need a gatling cannon version for better fire support.

[@ajaxthegreatest2191]

Do you mean Rogue?

[@brianwynne6835]

Yes my bad

[@gordons6698]

Used em to great effect as a close air support anti infantry

[@gordons6698]

They can work for anti light armor but you have to put points into getting them to hit more reliably

[@horseface31]

I miss being able to use my screaming Aquila list.

[@chrisstevens2944]

What's your thoughts on legends Vendetta at 255pts?

[@askeytheman]

You stalking my app Mordian?! I've just added a valk for a 2k game before seeing you upload this!

[@Sgt-lott10]

I did the same, how'd it go for you?

[@rodneygaul2227]

Reporting for duty , sir o7 Valkyrie has the "rule of cool" , BUT Points cost and fliers limitations ( not dedicated transport rules ) it is a joke Valkyrie's died with Elysian's removal from the game

[@kippercsg]

To make Valkyries work, I would make it's ability Rapid Ingress for free, and give it with deep strike. With the latest balance dataslate, units can disembark from a vehicle the comes in from reserve. So you could put whatever unit you want in it, deep strike the valk, and disembark.

[@joeladkins1046]

Maybe it's rule allows you rapid ingress more than one unit. Two 5 mans in Valk and one using strat. Or one 10 on and one out

[@arcanos9706]

Not a guard player but almost started a guard/scion army initially. If thr steel legion or Elysia wasn’t canned i would be a Lord General and not a Sanguinary guard. The Valkryie has always drawn my eye. It looks amazing despite GW punishing fliers for the offences of bombers. I do think 190 is too high as well. 150 may* be too low to ask for but 175 would be a good start.

[@angelfire5x]

I love valkyries, and I have a themed elysian army, but the valkyries feel horribly overcosted. They're fun to use, but they just cost so much

[@Jack-p8r4u]

Man i pray to big e, auspex tactics and you one day collaborate on a titer list!

[@justinmsc5]

At 150 this still wouldn't be played at all. Flyer rules are just too weak. If they made the special rule not require deep strike, it probably would still be bad but at least it would be fun for casual games.

[@friendlyneighbourhoodsunwheel]

Honestly I'd only consider buying and building 2-3 if they were 120 - 130 points. I wouldn't consider them to be useful above that amount, they are thematic but I don't like how flyers work and with that handicap I don't want to even bother as I love them in the lore but I really have never been incentivised to get them due to how bad flyers have been since I started the hobby

[@gwfranklin1]

Very cool, wanted the model because I've loved it since I was a kid

[@Mongoosejack]

*Fortunate Son intensifies*

[@hpenvy1106]

How did the flyers manage to hurt GW so bad😞?

[@BloodBuffalo]

I think your sleeping on a free rapid ingress from the ability. It's not a guard technique used often but rapid ingress used properly changes games

[@DaKdawg]

Neat. This just cements my valkyrie purchases in the future. Zoom, Zoom.

[@kippercsg]

Niw, call me mad... your complaint about the Hellstrike is single shot, but you recommend the lascannon. Your complaint about the multilaser is S6 AP0, but sing the praises of the rocket pod? Surely, go full Anti-Infantry, and treat the multilaser as just 4 extra rocket pod shots, so against a horde you're getting 2D6+12. Plus the bolters.

[@lucasalexander43]

As big as the hell strike missile is and it's low rate of fire they at least could have made it S14.

[@DiceandGlory]

Theyre great just ovetcosted!!

[@desitri2956]

by like 80 points XD

[@jakenicholson962]

Even if it could transport 20+ I'd be more likely to take it, 12 is a joke...

[@TEMPLAR_OF_DORN]

@@jakenicholson962 so glad to hear you dont have Ebola, keep up the good work

[@DiceandGlory]

Give it a 15 model limit and pack it with 10models and a command squad. Priced to move then

[@desitri2956]

@@DiceandGlory its also limited in what it can carry, limiting to scions is just silly

[@TikitheHutt]

Valk is life!

[@entimger_heggie]

Mordian lambasting the mutilaser as useless (along with lasgun arrays) and then praising the multiple rocket pods that have the same stat line with the addition of blast was funny to me. I get that he's comparing it to the other weapon option available, but it definitely made me double take the stat-lines.

[@warmachine5835]

I think like you said it comes down to opportunity cost. Multilaser is competing with the Lascannon, with Rockets competing with the Hellstrike. Furthermore, while swingy, a D6 averages 3.5 (round down to 3) shots per pod (average 6 shots per shooting phase), plus an addition shot for every 5 models in the target unit on each pod, functionally making it 2D6+2 shots against anything you actually want to fire the rockets at. Which means at the minimum roll of snake eyes, you've matched the multilaser. Giancarlo Esposito "we are not the same" meme here.

[@joeladkins1046]

Ya 160 maybe usable?

[@tomyorke3412]

Its fun and games until the two Imperial Guard Valkyrie start to do the mid air mating dance.

[@thomasfrede6742]

Psions in Valks used to be awesome. But they are unplayable. Hoping codex fixes Tempestus as a stand alone army again. But when full squads of psions Cant kill a single marine because of AOC it's not good. Need help.

[@leozacharydickenson769]

I got 5 sentinels and a valkyrie for $70, someone help me turn this into a list 😅

[@pabloalonsolasagabaster658]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too expensive for its limited firepower. yeah it is tough, but the enemy can just ignore it, since it is not a threat for him. Too bad cause I have one, and it is the only transport I own

[@TEMPLAR_OF_DORN]

i like it but need it in indian

[@ScottTheBot07]

When marauder vid

[@eamoncassells1658]

Is it any good in 10th edition? It’s a flyer so, no

[@ROALD.]

I’m just so sick of GW’s random pts and financial costs. I’ve played since 1st Edition. We were promised a rules resolution for 10th where everything would be sustainable and refined. Free heavy bolters, pointless weapons, over costed points, and more player limitations than chances for actual fun. It’s very disappointing. Buy your models from China and get your rules from old editions.

[@SubSonicEctomorph]

Oof… hard but valid 😅

[@jayrigger7508]

I challenge you for 1 week not to use word spicy

[@joelwashere5382]

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[@Jack-p8r4u]

Man i pray to big e, auspex tactics and you one day collaborate on a titer list!