Is the Zoom 70CDR still worth it for synth in 2022 going into 2023 (yes it is ! )

0:00 opening and thoughts
3:03 modulation effects demo
9:05 delays demo
16:58 reverbs
19:00 EQ effects
19:40 closing thoughts

[@WildernessMusic_GentleSerene]

I watched every review on the Zoom and it was 50/50 love/hate. Polar opposing reviews. So, I just bought one, listened to it with my own FX design for 10 minutes and immediately ordered 2 more. I think the trouble with the conflicting reviews is; the presets on the Zoom stink for synths. I just quickly designed a few chains and was very happy with it for "normal" effects in a mix. A feature Zoom doesn't advertise is all the other modules in this little powerhouse, such as a graphic EQ. Place this EQ at the beginning of the chain and EQ out low frequencies for a cleaner more natural reverb. ( I only use my ZOOM in the aux loop (effects loop) of my mixer; this way I have control over the analog sound of the synth and the digital effects ).

[@azrombazsaid1911]

Great demo ! Thank you very much !!! 🙏

[@hummingrhizomes]

Awesome review. Subscribed:)

[@antoniocampos3740]

awesome review!

[@JonManness]

So versatile! I use it on muted trumpet with a house DJ and it sits in the mix so well.

[@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton]

I play sax. How does one get a gig with a DJ and how much does it pay? I know in England, hot chicks playing sax do this and it's a "thing," but I'm an old dude. Thanks...

[@decapitateallcops3214]

You make bongo house?

[@dirtycelinefrenchman]

Worth it for the Blackhole, Ice and various pitch/synth fx

[@peterwestcott749]

It should be noted that the ms 50G is also a great addition to the chain if you are using a mono synth. It is stocked with loads of filters and unusual effects that are incredibly useful with synths.

[@rederickfroders1978]

Honestly this thing is worth the money for the reverse reverb effect alone. If you want that effect from any other pedal you'd have to pay way way more. A Hardwire rv-7 is expensive and rare.

[@tothefinlandstation]

I wish they would release a zoom 70cdr mkii where all the effects are fully stereo, and all the delays and reverbs are able to go 100% wet (so I can use it as a send effect), and with 5pin midi in (would love to have the pattern tremolo synced to midi clock [not just the right tempo, but starting on the downbeat]).

[@mickeythompson9537]

Would be great... and in a rack. They'd clean up the market.

[@JoelBouchillon]

@@mickeythompson9537yes!

[@jodo985]

There is a new version out now I don’t know about the stereo part though

[@earthlandingfake]

I'm gonna have to try that hack to get nab some of these that aren't on the 50G and put them on mine

[@maxmatson1578]

I have the CDR 70 myself and loved it I like to ask you mentioned there's a delay on there that can go as long as 4 seconds do you know which algorithm type it is in the CDR?✌️

[@YukiTheSynthDragon]

The ones just named delay and analog delay.

[@user-ep8cu3yn5i]

17:20 makes me wanna cry.

[@wibblewabblewoo6249]

I can imagine this would be very useful for old synths? I’ve acquired a terrible sounding old Korg Poly 800 (!) but I think with this pedal it’d actually sound interesting

[@YukiTheSynthDragon]

yes this will help with old limited synths for sure

[@stuffnuns]

Yep, I the 2 synths I hated back in the day were the Korg Poly800 and Korg Poly6. For me, those were the yuk factor syths. . .but, hey, just my o. But, adding FX to those oldies will really kick em up at least a notch or 3. As for bang for buck, the MS-70CDR is great. Caveat, I agree with several users, the presets are meant for guitar, and don’t necessarily sound good with synths. So, be ready to learn the box and create some magic.

[@wibblewabblewoo6249]

One thing I am impressed with on the Korg Poly 800 is the 256 step sequencer. Fun to link up with my drumbrute impact to make up basslines to jam over 😂

[@sub-jec-tiv]

Poly 800 can sound beautiful. One of the best pads i’ve ever made was on a Poly 800. And i’ve owned most of the classics. It’s up to you what it sounds like 👌

[@simoncardie9371]

This is great for it. Or even a Korg NTS-1. Great effects as well.

[@AngMoKio8]

17:56 couldn't agree more

[@scottsweatshirt9753]

Designer of the Particle Verb algorithm? You guess it: Angelo from Meris. True story!

[@johanneschristopherstahle3395]

Tried to replicate the idea with my DigiTech GSP 2101. But since you have to feed the signal back from the end of the chain into the beginning of the chain (reverb into pitch shifter + delay back into the reverb) the GSP shuts down the sound completely to avoid feedback. Having the old Brian Eno trick being built into a single algorithm makes it so much easier to use. I'm really thinking about buying an MS 70

[@jodo985]

You really need to work on your storytelling😂

[@lateralshiftmusic]

Is your minilogue xd good?? Considering investing in one!

[@YukiTheSynthDragon]

Yes , it’s a really good synth. It can be a bit limiting but still good.

[@tony1ant]

👍▬▬👏♡❣️♡👏▬▬👍♡ Awesome Tutorial

[@chrisfit]

So, so, good. My only complaint is there is a tiny bit of tone suck. But there are so many good patches out there by people.

[@sub-jec-tiv]

Indeed. If you use it in an effects loop/ aux send, and use the effects 100% wet, tone suck isn’t an issue (of course some effects like chorus will sound different with that arrangement)

[@mokujinsan9946]

I purchased this bad boy back in 2013 plus the Red coloured Bass version. Zoom has still been surprisingly supportive of these decade old units with firmware updates which have incorporated more emulations in the DL Firmware on their support pages. So have a gander to see if you have the latest firmware. I use these badboys for spicing up synthesised tones. Both Zoom units have a rather polished Ghetto sound, beware these are not for tone snobs but.... I personally feel they are more for experimental tinkerers..... that don't require perfectly emulated stale snake oil expensive digital clones. So in a nutshell, it's a no brainier. The Particle Verb is worth the admission alone.

[@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton]

You say you don't like the reverbs ... I would be buying this for guitar and synth (Behringer Model D and Pro 800). I know a well known Jazz guitarist who uses one and loves it. So, what's wrong with the reverb?

[@sub-jec-tiv]

I think with reverbs, electroacoustic instruments like guitar sound great through so-so reverbs due to their organic overtone changes, whereas synths are more synthetic and can be quite static timbrally, and sometimes reverbs can just come across as grainy or less interesting. You could afford to try this pedal, and if you don’t like it, sell or put it on your shelf. Honestly i’d keep it for the delays alone. Personally i like some of the reverbs in this unit. Especially the weird stuff like backward reverb. I keep it in an effects loop, and i have this pedal, and then send that into a ‘better’ reverb, a short room, at 100% wet. That way i get the strange character effects of the zoom, but i have another reverb there to finish up the texture so it sounds less grainy.

[@JeffreySaxophoneTallNewton]

Thank you, great points! What's the "other" reverb? My main instrument is saxophone, and I want a reverb unit for that, too. TC Electronics "Nova Reverb" is of interest - just heard a great player with one.@@sub-jec-tiv

[@bobbyrutz9402]

It's 2024. I just ordered one to play nice with my Microfreak!

[@jodo985]

Did you see there is an updated version?

[@architroxx]

Planning on buying one for my microfreak too. How is it going so far?

[@hiroprotagonitis]

thoughts on zoom announcing a new gen of ms pedals?

[@YukiTheSynthDragon]

I will be interested if they release a new version of the 70.

[@paul_bismuth]

🖐hello, the one I plug on my prophet REV2 can make distortion glitches. Big analog layered pad, with chorus+reverb on the zoom. As the zoom has not a line input, could it be the reason? ( I've red that it could come from a bad PSU, I only have a thomann one for now to test)

[@gdrdm]

Really like your videos! Any opinion on the Mooer Ocean Machine? How would you compare the reverbs and delays? Cheers

[@YukiTheSynthDragon]

Thanks ! I had the ocean machine for about a week and returned it about 3 years back. I did not really like it. The reverbs have lots of comb filtering artifacts (metallic sounds) and the reverbs lacked diffusion and good modulation. The delays were passable at best.

[@gdrdm]

@@YukiTheSynthDragon Thanks for taking the time to reply! I see what you mean. Perhaps it might work better with certain guitar and FM-type stuff vs most synths. I've watched some online videos where it sounds nice but I have also tried it myself and don't seem to ever get to where I'd hoped. Cheers!

[@saardean4481]

Hello there. Is there a reason why you are going mono into the delay? I thought the XD has stereo output or am I mistaking ? Cheers

[@YukiTheSynthDragon]

only the built in effects of the xd are stereo, the synth engine it self is mono.

[@saardean4481]

@@YukiTheSynthDragon ah ok. I thought that some polysynths have some of their Vca panned on one side and some on the other and hoped the XD does it too but if its dual mono then of course it makes no sense you are right

[@jamisondonald384]

No hack? It really comes alive when you get some distortion

[@ancientbohemian]

this. get the hacked firmware! join the dark side...!

[@squintygreeneyes]

@@ancientbohemianwhat hacked* firmware? wuhts better about it?

[@ancientbohemian]

@@squintygreeneyes google zoom effect manager - you will have access to all effects from all the other zoom pedals, including overdrives, all kinds of amps, IRs, etc. ... backup your current via the manager first, then dive into it

[@kevinaaronson]

You can add zoom 50 effects like distortion and amp/can simulation.

[@BobbyGeneric145]

I regret selling this. Now i have to buy another.

[@theouterplanet]

Dang bruh

[@jackmurphy1081]

How is this so cheap?

[@YukiTheSynthDragon]

It runs on a single dsp that is both fairly old and cheap.

[@AI-Consultant]

would you pay $200 USD for a juno 2 - with one sticky key and one key that doesn't work?

[@DoctorRevers]

“Reverbs aren’t very good”. I’m out

[@sonicmistress]

What he actually says is: "haven't heard a cheap Reverb pedal sound all that uh great and this this definitely does an okay job...." And that's only his opinion as thousand of users don't think the same....Geez try using your own brain for once....

[@radzhkapoor3742]

has it tap tempo?

[@YukiTheSynthDragon]

yes