Is There A Difference For Ams?

[@Anthony-qy9vc]

I really appreciate your mindset with the game and really sticking to a bag that fits your game. I've definitely got caught up in wanting to throw Destroyers, understable 13 speeds, and too many 8-11 speeds. I'm starting to realize that I'm not good enough to justify having all the overlap. Thanks for advocating for Ams and being a voice of reason that stops me from bagging too many drivers!

[@pathape]

I agree. I got sick of bagging so many discs where there was too much overlap. Ive had some good fortune with being able to play casual rounds with a topish MPO touring pro getting ready for the upcoming season. Even he doesnt read too far into the speed of discs when it comes to fairway and control drivers. For example a Halo Teebird3 and a champ Thunderbird is close enough in flight to only bag one of them, even if one of them can go a little farther than another. His recommendation is to always bag discs that you will use for multiple shots as an AM. Pros can bag lots of discs since they want to figure out the best shots of holes during the week of practice leading to tournament. He will pull discs from his bag after the week of practice and on tournament day so he doesnt overthink shots and sticks to his plan.

[@Goldbond-nf2wk]

A few thoughts: 1-forged eras are gold muskets, composite eras are gold ice muskets, Finkel is Einhorn/Einhorn is Finkel. 2. 10 speeds are a perfect fit for my medium hand in a power grip. For some reasons 9 speeds aren’t and therefore 10s kicked the Lots/undertaker outta my bag 3. I throw craves 330-350, muskets/eras 350-380 and 11 speeds and fake 12 speeds max 400. My 10 speeds kicked out my stable 9 speeds cuz the hand feel is better. 4. I only need to throw drivers 5% of the time or less so fairways/control driver make up the majority of drivers in my bag. 5. The era did in a headwind what your crave does in no wind or a tailwind. You should try the era as a max distance tailwind driver too. Either an era or a musket are in my bag for those reasons

[@Twinkletoes888]

The Thunderbird is the perfect do all Fairway disc especially if your forehand and backhand offer similar distance. Get different plastics for different flight characteristics. I’m an 50yr old amateur that throws his Thundy’s 300-320’ both ways with the once in a blue moon 350’ and use Pro, Star, Halo and Champ. There Pro’s are the long fliers and there are plenty of super beefy Thunderbirds so you don’t even need a Firebird. Just my 2¢

[@timweber7165]

We've had a pretty mild winter here in Kansas, but with you being a new Dad that's acceptable not getting out as much.

[@revreames]

It was a rough January but February was beautiful. So many February rounds.

[@MegaLaban12345]

Oh shit, there is a tiny apollo baby!? Sweet!

[@broderic]

2 month well fair check 🫣

[@PatrickRidge]

Did you hear back?

[@doggyd.floofy7445]

3 month now… dude disappeared from everywhere

[@DrivingandDelivering]

Still waiting to hear anything about this dude

[@brianlopez253]

I completely agree with AMs throwing slower discs. It gives us more control and more reliability compared to higher speed discs. If you intend to throw a shot that fades hard left, put more hyzer, and if you need something that finishes extremely right, throw an understable anhyzer shot. Angle and speed control are extremely more beneficial in the long run than just discing up because you can’t get a full flight but you can make it skip.

[@NickCarroll]

As a lower-speed amateur, I bag what I need, but since I'm always using the same cart every day, I'll fill it with discs that fill every slot for each category. I may only throw 8 discs in a round, and those 8 discs will be the ones I throw more than most, but I like having all the slot options covered, just in case. FYI it's 24 discs that I have in my cart at any one time.

[@mpbx3003]

As somebody who isn't a mold or disc minimalist, I really enjoy not having to worry about throwing a single disc in my bag for one slot. I prefer more neutral discs overall because I can manipulate the angles to cover shots, but I also like having a disc I can just throw a more consistent "default" shot with and get the result when it's one where my angle is always inconsistent or I'm having an off day.

[@djhollowman9567]

Might sound a bit odd, but, if I could suggest trying the Cosmic Neutron Crave as opposed to the Fission plastic.

[@BryceRogers_]

To each their own!! I respect someone who knows their system enough to defend the decisions they make about their bag.

[@BryceRogers_]

P.S. 10's are the shit. I bag the aztec, but bagged Era and Construct after that. All fly as a unique slot in the bag.

[@GolfinKevin]

Just realized it’s been a while since you have posted - Hope all is well David!

[@HARwinsOUTagain]

My game transformed when I switched out my higher speed discs. My favorite slot is now 5-7 speed. I’d rather throw my 7 far and straight rather than a distance driver that might get a little more distance but have a decent fade at the end. But I also am more of a wooded course player than wide open courses.

[@Its_me_3333]

Without using an understable disc to try and get distance, my best is around 360. But idc if I only get 20 more ft of distance with my 12 speed Goat, I’m still gonna throw it cuz if that’s a difference between putting in the circle or outside I’m gonna throw it to get inside.

[@ericwalter2944]

Where has this channel been? Hope all is well. 😢

[@JTygerAU]

Thanks for the video and content! The comments about “Ams” and disc speeds is directionally correct, but is way too restrictive. First of all…Ams is basically all disc golfers with varying arm speeds and talents. “Pros” is such a small group that it’s almost not worth distinguishing. Second, with control drivers I think the most important thing is simply to ensure they don’t overlap with the fairways. For this slot, I use it to take on more understable and overstable movement than I can get with slower discs. So I throw a core of 2-3 slower fairways and then roadrunners and firebirds which can take on lines my other fairways just can’t. On number of molds and discs -> for most people this goes up if you mainly play wooded courses because the lines are extremely specific compared to what you typically show in these videos. It’s not right or wrong but it demands a different approach to disc selection that will be different than windy and open

[@lukemara5731]

You haven’t put out a video in 3 months…*turns to the camera* let’s talk about it

[@krakrex780]

Really hope you’re doing well. Miss the content man

[@revreames]

So what would it take for me to get that Mario turtle crave from you? I live over in Lawrence, but that’s one of the more awesome dyes I’ve seen. Or at least tell me where you got it made

[@ApolloDiscGolf]

Jedye Discs made it for me on Instagram! It’s by far my favorite dye! instagram.com/jedyediscs?igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==

[@tremendous9137]

Yo, you competing in the Midwest Amateurs in july?

[@oly6460]

Gotta throw the FD1 to support Casey White. Good for you for finding the mold you want. 🎉🎉🎉

[@johndavies1341]

The problem with Finish Line is that they rarely make discs below max weight so they're not very useful for AMs. I think their Forged plastic is the exception. Same problem with Discmania, they no longer make anything below 170g. You might find a rare Essence at 168-169.

[@akkadian1995]

I do think there is wisdom in throwing a slower disc when you want to be sure and go straight for us AMs. I usually throw a CD-1 on a long tunnel shot rather than a distance driver if I'm throwing backhand. My forehand is much better so that's a little different equation.

[@JacobPorterLadder]

I love my era, my most thrown Driver

[@LakasPinoy1013]

❤ Shawnee Mission Park

[@timweber7165]

Good course but not my favorite.

[@tbut1095]

It can be a fun one! The wind on that back 9 is always so frustrating though hahaha. Heritage is where it's at!

[@tykasper9109]

miss your videos. Hope you're doing well!

[@anitabonghit266]

I completely disagree with AM’s throwing slower speed discs because they will more likely get the intended flight path of the manufacturer. The reason is because it’s about your intended flight path you want/need for the shot. To me these statements about how AM’s should only throw slower speed discs seems more like gate keeping to me

[@ReaperThugX]

Agreed! It’s about the flight you need. I have 300 feet of distance and bag a Rive. When I need something to go out 200 feet and then get around a corner, I pick the Rive. It’s too stable for me to get full flight, it does serve a purpose in my bag

[@frisbeefrolf]

Sounds like this video may not be for the people you think it is. If a person throwing 300ft max is using a distance driver on a straight wooded hole, as they often do in my area anyway, they’re getting zero benefit of the fast disc and all of the drawbacks. Yes, bag a fast disc for the things your arm speed could require a fast disc for. Big skips? Sure. Heavy fade required? Check. Low ceiling and needing to punch something low and straight? Ok. But like, should you be leaning on that disc for almost every max distance shot? Absolutely not. His ultimate argument is “if you can only bag a very limited amount of discs, choose slower discs that you can control at your arm speed and technical level, but include a faster disc if you need for a specific shot you like to throw”

[@pathape]

I agree that it's all about the intended flight. However, the common mistake is forcing yourself to throw let's say a thunderbird super hard for the same shot as a teebird that you can achieve the same flight with less effort. Maybe the thunderbird gives you a shot that the teebird can't, but can you use one of your distance drivers to give you that thunderbird shot. I think the point he's trying to make is to use fewer discs to achieve all the flight paths you need. Most all courses people play dont require as many discs as people bag. Also, bagging 5 distance drivers like pros do is kind of asinine unless you prefer wider rimmed discs.

[@TheDrakmannen]

@@pathapeI dont know man, i bag 5 DDs, 2x wraiths 3x defenders. They all perform very different for me and Im about at 400’ max power full flight distance. Is there some overlap? Ofcourse, for example the flippiest the defender and the flippiest wraith flip up about the same, the difference for me is that the defender will always try to fight out at the end while the wraith might stay straight. The benefit being that faster discs can be just as understable at the start of the flight but has more bite at the end. Another example is my buzzzes vs my 7 speeds. I can throw the buzzz 97% as far as my 7s, but the 7s usually land on slight hyzer and skips while the buzzz usually lands flat.

[@frisbeefrolf]

@@TheDrakmannen I don’t think that you’re really hearing or seeing the argument being made brother. The conversation is in the context of someone (Apollo disc golf) and other AMs with lower arm speed who prefer a more limited bag and how in many situations there is not a meaningful difference between faster discs and they in reality provide little extra distance compared to slower discs for many players. He’s just suggesting that people with lower arm speeds trust that they can throw their slower discs as far as their faster discs, and probably achieve better results in many situations. It’s not “don’t throw fast discs”, it’s “see how well you can do and how far you can throw your slower discs and achieve a more consistent ground action while taking up less air space than your faster discs”

[@prattacaster]

Honestly, kind of an odd video/comparison. Crave has a 7( 1.8cm) speed rim, Era a 10 speed rim. It seems like you would be choosing between a Wraith and the Era for shots more often, like maybe you get more control with an Era and it pretty much goes as far as the Wraith? Idk just seems like a big step between 6/7 speeds and a 10 speed, at least for me.

[@NickCarroll]

I don't have an Era to compare but I have a Crave and it has a 1.7cm rim per my digital calipers, not 1.8. Only place I see listing that is on the PDGA website. That said, you're right it's a big step between the 6/7 speeds and 10 speeds. In my opinion they're completely different slots, and the argument between them is more "should you throw a slower or faster driver for the shot." 🙂

[@brosa1212]

Hmmm what happened to apollo? He hasnt posted anything in a while 😢

[@christofferthorsen3821]

It's weird. I'm sure I've seen uploads newer than this, did he nuke the channel?

[@archangel19]

Can you do a 1k challenge

[@natemaas1982]

I bagged the era last year for a while but I like the insanity better. It’s a very similar flight, I just like the feel of the insanity more. I bag both the insanity and the crave because the insanity goes farther and has a bit more turn and fade for me.

[@footfaultdiscgolf]

foot fault

[@bikemike575]

I was watching random champs vs chumps. You know 😆

[@stuartschwenke6656]

please address that disc manufactures market their discs without regard for the actual "speed" of the disc. The Crave is a 1.8 rim width but marketed as a 6.5 speed. The era is a 2.0 rim width and marketed as a "10" which is more accurate to its width. It is not surprising that a 1.8 and a 2.0 rim width are not that much different. Building the AM bag on better data (rim width) might be more reliable. FD1 is 1.8 rim width. Insanity is 2.0 rim width.

[@snakbyteMike]

Generally speaking, they are pretty close, and it gives us enough of an idea of what the disc is like. Also, rim width isn't the only thing that affects speed. The shape/sharpness of the wing makes a difference. So, a wider rim disc with a very blunt edge may be the same "speed" as a smaller rim disc that has a sharper edge or different wing shape. Diameter, rim angle/depth, and other things might also contribute to the speed.

[@NickCarroll]

The Crave has a 1.7cm rim, not 1.8, and I've verified with mine and digital calipers. They're between a Leopard and FD in rim thickness (wing length). There should be a somewhat noticeable difference in distance between the Crave and Era. The Crave should handle nose up and high launch angles better than the Era, whereas the Era should go farther if thrown properly, assuming enough arm speed. 🙂

[@stuartschwenke6656]

​@@NickCarrollPDGA shows it as 1.8 width

[@NickCarroll]

@@stuartschwenke6656 that might have been the case for the disc sent to them originally when the PDGA validated the mold, but every one I've seen has a 1.7cm rim, and the Axiom site lists it as a 1.65cm rim. Not only that, but my digital calipers (and visual inspection) show my Crave to be between a Leopard/Cheetah and FD/TL/Teebird in rim thickness.

[@doggyd.floofy7445]

You good boss?

[@EthanEdwards-v9x]

My game transformed when I switched out my higher speed discs. My favorite slot is now 5-7 speed. I’d rather throw my 7 far and straight rather than a distance driver that might get a little more distance but have a decent fade at the end. But I also am more of a wooded course player than wide open courses.