Is There a Purpose to Suffering?

A man asks Rupert to elaborate on the purpose of suffering.
From the winter retreat at Buckland Hall, December 2017. For access to the full video see link: non-duality.rupertspira.com/w...
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[@angeloiodice9304]

Spent a lot of time with a lot of teachers. Rupert is such a relief. No mystery. So clear, kind, gentle, yet firm and not allowing nonsense. Rupert is very much appreciated beyond the expression that words are able to convey. And, always a nice lesson in English grammar and diction. Not to mention, a crash course in manners and etiquette. He is a good boy.

[@IAn0nI]

Good boy.

[@jeffreyprokopowicz9842]

I recall intensely suffering, and then I realized that my thoughts were causing the suffering. I felt anger realizing that for all these years I have allowed my mind to cause me to suffer. And I realized that my mind is pretty much always wrong about what it thinks. At that point I stopped paying attention to my mind and the suffering disappeared like a balloon bursting. Now I have this quiet peaceful place I can always return to if my mind tricks me again into suffering. And now I understand that this quiet peaceful place is actually my true nature, who I really am.

[@JiMo711]

So you're not dealing with any hardships since then?! No illnesses, loss, chaos situations or grief for others even?!

[@jeffreyprokopowicz9842]

@@JiMo711 All of that has no effect on consciousness.

[@tracy3364]

Same here I'm 54 and my thoughts have torched me for many years to the point I couldnt function sometimes . So I totally get what you say here

[@jeffreyprokopowicz9842]

@@tracy3364 From my experience, if you suffer enough with thoughts and just sort of surrender, that shift will happen.

[@claudelebel49]

"The only useful purpose of the present birth is to turn within and realize the Self. There is nothing else to do." Ramana Maharshi

[@microcontroller7142]

Stop crying and asking why ? , just follow Ramana Mahashi.

[@sophiawoods6748]

This man should be authority of spiritual science understanding

[@kevinfitzsimons41]

These videos are a total gift. They are explaining complex spiritual things in a way that is understandable and resonates. Thank you Rupert for these highly enlightening sessions. They are changing lives.

[@vala9093]

The purpose of suffering is like: " Hey, something is wrong! please a make change! "

[@Misslotusification]

Suffering is like an alarm bell telling you that you're dreaming, says Byron Katie.

[@pantherenebuleuse]

If you want an answer, you have to explore... don’t expect a teacher to tell you everything. Obviously you need to contemplate your question as long as it takes to get a profound insight

[@johnhannon8034]

“We invented the concept ‘purpose’ - in reality purpose is lacking. One belongs to the whole, one IS in the whole - there exists nothing which could judge, measure, compare, condemn our being, for that would be to judge, measure, condemn the whole ... But nothing exists apart from the whole!” - Nietzsche (from Twilight of the Idols)

[@pantherenebuleuse]

John Hannon it’s exactly what I had in mind - thank you

[@johnhannon8034]

pantherenebuleuse Don’t thank me, thank Nietzsche :-)

[@jennythescreech]

Isn't the search for purpose essentially the same as the search for happiness, the return to our source? Just a random thought that hit me. :)

[@DilbagSingh-ox8li]

Yeah until the wave is a wave and dancing above ,as it falls back , no purpose as when whole, what's lack? No seprateness, no fear, nothing to defend.

[@Misslotusification]

I found this excerpt as well, coming from another book : “No one is accountable for existing at all, or for being constituted as he is, or for living in the circumstances and surroundings in which he lives. The fatality of his nature cannot be disentangled from the fatality of all that which has been and will be. He is not the result of a special design, a will, a purpose; he is not the subject of an attempt to attain an 'ideal of man' or an 'ideal of happiness' or an 'ideal of morality'--it is absurd to want to hand over his nature to some purpose or other. We invented the concept 'purpose': in reality purpose is lacking... One is necessary, one is a piece of fate, one belongs to the whole, one is in the whole--there exists nothing which could judge, measure, compare, condemn our being, for that would be to judge, measure, condemn the whole...” ― Friedrich Nietzsche, from A Nietzsche Reader

[@bestestinventions7032]

love the flowers in each rupert video!

[@rheasnehmoy]

I know what that man was trying to ask but I felt he couldn’t form the right question. I think he was trying to understand why infinite consciousness contracts itself to start with and become limited consciousness and suffer in order to become infinite again. It’s like putting yourself in jail and throwing key in the ocean and then trying everything to escape from that jail. I don’t think anybody can answer accurately the question why infinite consciousness became finite. The very close answer may be like Rupert said in order to experience itself as manifestation. And infinite consciousness has no knowledge of any finite consciousness qualities. So nothing exist in it. May be it just happening as random and spontaneous event. And meanings are assigned to it later. But I know lots of us think this is not really fair scheme ☺️.

[@prabineshbajracharya498]

Infinite consciousness must be bored being alone so create finite selves to play

[@saintx1000]

it is a play. in vedanta it is called: leela.

[@of8ightandse7en16]

this is heart of my question and biggest fear.. given that with super effort we became enlightened and become the infinite, will this infinite even contracts itself again for some other play ? I would rather not exist at all than becoming a slave of this self abuse... It's very depressing to say it's all a game; so our sufferings, war, abuse, poverty are all a game ? in fact if INFINITE has no knowledge of finite, then how is it INFINITE ?? it's like the age old paradox, if God cant do evil, then God is not all powerful. this existential thing is the one that gives me most fear....

[@rheasnehmoy]

@@of8ightandse7en16 I know it all sounds very absurd but what choice we really have than accepting that this is how it is. I think there is no way of knowing how exactly finite world manifested from infinite and what exactly happens after somebody merges back to it. I haven’t came across any satisfactory answers for these type of questions. And that’s obvious. If everything that we can know or know about is in the mind and reality prevails prior to mind then it’s not possible to know anything about it. We can only be it and cannot know it as an object. Yes in the beginning it feels all depressing and hopeless that’s why Sri Ramana Maharishi suggested path of surrender. And self inquiry. Once you realize who that ‘I ‘ really is then you r out of this game and life becomes effortless journey. That doesn’t mean you won’t have anymore problems but it’s just by then you will understand whose problems are they. Free will is just an illusion. Everything is from God through God for God. I know it’s hard to believe it’s all god when we look around. But that’s the paradox of life. It’s all because god has forgotten who he is and how powerful he can be. That’s why awakening. Who wakes up? And From what? Find out. Thank you for replying. Best wishes.

[@of8ightandse7en16]

@@rheasnehmoy precisely why it's not wise for Rupert to even explain on it. the moment you start describing the how/why/what (all of which from the finite ego mind) to the Infinite, then it's no longer infinite...

[@stellau3028]

Love you Rupert.

[@piyalechi]

Rupert I love how you enlightened the miserable one, all by just illuminating ignored facts. Thank you. You are indeed a Guru whom I am very happy to have found within the madness of the Internet. Noush 🍷🕉

[@nsbd90now]

To exist is to suffer. There is a way out of suffering. The first two Noble Truths! It is wild how normal and contemporary Mr. Rupert is able to articulate these things...

[@FrankVergara]

Oh mi God! this is sooo good!! and sooo powerful!! Thank you!

[@janeajaya]

purpose: it occurs to me that suffering evolves us. through suffering, we are motivated toward happiness, enlightenment. through suffering, we gain, compassion, humility, strength and a sense of humor.

[@janeajaya]

Hi Ruby. I looked it up in the dictionary. That definition suffices...@Ruby Badilla

[@janeajaya]

emotional and/or physical pain and distress...@Ruby Badilla

[@shootayibyukhrabaytak674]

not always - some of us become monsters because of the suffering we have endured............

[@RamKumar-yi6wn]

@Ruby Badilla Quite a comprehensive explanation !

[@tomrhodes1629]

The fire must burn you so that you remove your hand from the fire. When you find the exact reason WHY you are experiencing a limited world of suffering, you find the Meaning of Life in this world....information that I reveal in my book and my KZbin videos. This is the most esoteric information in this entire Universe, and I am blessed to share it with the world. Give me a "click" if you want to know more.......

[@natebot321]

Never having heard Rupert's voice before, I spent the first 45 seconds confused as to how he was talking with his mouth closed, and if it was clever editing designed to make it seem like we are hearing his thoughts.

[@MrCurcio99]

natebot321 me too 😂

[@carmenl163]

You are joking right? That was not Rupert speaking, but someone in the audience asking a question.

[@ccsalvage]

This is my favorite comment on KZbin ever

[@markbusch5907]

HahAhaha

[@PauldelJunco]

lol!

[@Wanderer2035]

The purpose of suffering is to bring you back to non suffering. Love the dual relationship

[@claudelebel49]

"Achieved is the end of craving" Which leaves us free to truly enjoy.

[@anbukkarasimanoharan775]

Consciousnesses manifesting as Rupert gives solace to our wounded souls through you tube videos.

[@ajt7899]

yesss!

[@bilimoriafirdaus]

Awesome as always!!

[@bhuvaneswarinatarajan2583]

Thank you very much Rupert 🙏🏾🙏🏾

[@johnconway6531]

Informative talk. Thanks!

[@mohdshahnawaz3864]

Absolutely loved this video. Thank you so much for this valuable information. Lots of love from an Australian 🇦🇺❤

[@onlyonerombo]

Another beautifully explained teaching. Great analogy using the rubber ball contraction and natural oscillation . Thank you Rupert 🙏😄

[@khosrokhatibi3016]

Beautiful. Thank you💙

[@yuvalue]

Thank you

[@jaguarazul]

Thanks!

[@dorarebelo673]

Amazing. 🧡

[@angeloiodice9304]

once again, BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!

[@WillDanceAlone2U]

An amazing (for lack of a better word, really) dialogue between a desperate mind and one at rest, gentle, lit up, clear, as razor-sharp as love. Mr Scupira points it to the clear-cut, short route. Thank you for posting.

[@vishalkulkarni4714]

This is it best advice ever you are the best Rupert THE BEST

[@francismausley7239]

Excellent theme... "Suffering is both a reminder and a guide. It stimulates us to better adapt ourselves to our environmental conditions, and thus leads the way to self-improvement. In every suffering one can find a meaning and a wisdom. But it is not always easy to find the secret of that wisdom." ~ Baha'i Faith

[@johnbrowne8744]

Very good. I hope the questioner gets it. 😊

[@rickleitch1036]

The questioner settles at the end of the video. He seems quiet...for a moment anyways. Thats Beautiful. 😂

[@pedrogonzales9202]

There are no teachings like this available where I am living . I am grateful to have YT but am feeling like these clips are not enough. I have been looking for “the one who suffers” and cannot find it but still suffer. Wishing to understand deeper how to surrender... the fire so intense...

[@claudelebel49]

Thank you Rupert for driving it home.

[@daniellearame3370]

Perfect explanation God bless Rupert thanks and thanks “very few people that are happy have the desire to die “ because their purpose or mission on earth has ended and accomplished .

[@noreenjenny7039]

Seek happiness in yourself directly. ❤🙏

[@RogerDrayton]

WoW...Patience and tolerance exemplified by Rupert who literally gives/exudes a most profound understanding of the Teaching...The Heart Understands...Thanks for posting...Peace, I Am !!!

[@waynzwhirled6181]

I recommend another Rupert video entitled "Why Does Consciousness Allow Violence Towards Children?". Title not withstanding, he does an excellent job explaining these metaphysical issues on a fundamental level.

[@hcog99]

Thank you very much for the recommendation!❤️ In Rupert’s other video “Why does consciousness allow violence toward children?”, in answering the questioner’s remark: “The price is too high!” , Rupert said: “It’s too high, and that is why it is incumbent in all of us, it is our sacred duty, those of us that have either understood or who have begun to understand, and that includes everybody here, that separation and the terrible things that happened as a result of it, is an illusion, and therefore our first duty in life, our first duty, above all other duties, is to realize the non-separate nature of our being with all others and things, and to live the implication of that understanding.

[@microcontroller7142]

Consciousness doesn't knows children or adults , violence or caring....It contains everything equally . Only the mind see the differences .

[@IAn0nI]

​@@microcontroller7142Indeed, impersonal.

[@jamesheldwein9907]

Consciousness as expressed through the form labeled “Rupert’ never disappoints. The utmost in clarity and wisdom is his gift.

[@nagodio]

Suffering is to make you stronger

[@pallabdatta6926]

Yes, there is always a purpose to suffering because unless we suffer our past which is constantly agitating us day and night we cannot be free from the agitation, we cannot return to our normal state of NO MIND, we cannot drop our agitative past from our separate or objective "I" and realize our only one non-dual "I" which is always pure and transparent.

[@zuby985]

Misery IS the search for happiness

[@semangatjiwa7328]

Why is consciousness taking a risk of suffering by manifesting as finite mind? Why do we need to suffer in order to find happiness if in the first place there is only happiness?

[@johnbrowne8744]

Great question. However, you may not like the answer. Everyone here chose this human experience. No one forced you here. For whatever reason, you chose to come here. Why? We probably can't know that while here but after leaving here. Regardless, you are here. Have the best experience you can. It's why you came. Row, row, row your boat. 😊

[@animallover1904]

consciousness knows itself to be infinite and eternal, there is no concept of "risk" or "suffering" in this pure awareness, as by definition, nothing can exist outside of it's own perfection. Now this is getting more theoretical, but i believe, and have seen from my own experience, that on the deepest level, consciousness manifests because it is it's own nature and cannot operate outside of it. On another, more relative level, i think that it manifests because even though as it seemingly separates from itself, it knows that the suffering will be very great, but that the bliss of rediscovering what it truly is, is just as great, and that it chooses to manifest in it's own dance, without purpose, merely to have fun and celebrate it's own being.

[@FrankVergara]

When Mary (the dreamer/consciousness) dreams of Jane (the ficticious character en the dream)... Mary gives Jane its existence (without consciousness there wouldn't be a character, Jane's mind is actually Mary's mind) and Jane gives Mary its knowing (the character Mary allows Jane to be seen, it creates a perspective) Mary becomes Jane to be able to see itself from a partial perspective, an eye can see everything but itself, but nothing can be seen without the eye, the finite manifestation, Jane, the character acts as a sort of mirror, creating a limited reflection so that the eye can see itself

[@Ignaz366]

@@johnbrowne8744 ...life is but a dream. :)

[@johnbrowne8744]

@@Ignaz366 Yes, and what an amazing dream it is.😴

[@landrew56]

love the rubber ball analogy !

[@ErikAnkan73]

Pain is good. It teaches you things. Can't remember who said it, but it's accurate.

[@bille77]

Palpatine (Sith Lord and galactic emperor)

[@tonynes3577]

I think I can add this: You have to have negativity in order to seek positivity or happiness. That is just the human condition or purpose. Why? Well why does the earth turn or the sun rise.

[@JohnnyCatFitz]

No bit o do love how the blooms are dancing in their own little party🥳🥳🥳

[@consciousawarness]

I hear you on "if we are suffering there is something to do", i.e., "seek happiness", ONLY, what if we "don't know how"? I've had a loss in my personal life that has since made me quite uncomfortable, un-happy, and fearful, for my self and family's sake; I do my best to seek alternative situations, business, and even connecting with true SELF and Universal Consciousness, but any happiness I get out of that is fleeting and doesn't make-up for the real material loss I experienced, that affects/effects me to this very day. I simply can' shake-off the loss, no matter how much I may want to, b/c it is so effective for, about, on me, etc., etc. I will say from personal experience just how profound "material loss" can be upon one. Most who speak philosophically about "Ultimate Consciousness" do so from a position of comfort, repose, and non-agitative material loss, lack or inadequacy. The simple solution on paper, at least in my case, is to find a materially beneficial make-up to what was lost, that now effects my livelihood so profoundly, and which I could regain my former "more care-free, happier self". The hard situation is that "I haven't found such", even though I'm trying my best, working-hard, "hopeful-believing" and open-minded to what "I can't give myself", and what the Universe might better point the way toward. All I have to finish saying is, "some material loss is so profound and hard/difficult to deal with", that unless you've experienced such, you might not have any idea "just how hard it is to recover one's equilibrium, vitality, zest for Life, and PEACE, of mind-spirit-body". God-Help us All if you fall into such a camp.

[@shootayibyukhrabaytak674]

Sorry for your loss - it must have been enormous. I hope you find your way back and can once again have peace, security and freedom from fear.............time helps.

[@anbukkarasimanoharan775]

I lost my husband in front of my eyes in an accident. But now after about 9 years of seeking peace and happiness I found them in my life. IMO material loss can be regained but loss of the life our loved one?

[@MichaelLittle47]

Let me take a crack at this... (I liked what Rupert had to say, by the way) Awareness represents infinite potential, because the creative power we call "mind" is an eternal aspect of awareness itself. And well, mind's function is to create... So the exploration of contracted states of consciousness is pretty much in the realm of an inevitability. Now, upon said contraction, there is little left to admit other than the state itself is ultimately, and wholly, unsatisfactory. It is a lesson that reaches across not only the human realm, but also across the divine realm as well. If you should find your consciousness in such a contracted state, there is little left to do other than admitting you now desire to rejoin with nature's fully expanded, and universal, consciousness. (or as they might say in the great nation of India, "you become a yogi")

[@kathyseymour4812]

If the source was happiness and whole, why would it want to manifest to be more if it already had everything. And thank you so much for the excellent explanation.

[@versoturner5777]

It didn't to have "more". It did because it can and why not? From the perspective of needing nothing and being whole, why not explore?

[@JiMo711]

Peace of mind not happiness. I am not sad. I am happy as long as I am safe and in peace and not having to fight with others on nonsense to survive being alive and around people!

[@luis55ful]

Good question approach and the GREATEST answer I have seen up to now. wow, what a pearl of wisdom to put something so complex and difficult to explain before for so many, here Rupert puts it in the easiest way to understand it. My appreciation to you Rupert. thanks so much.

[@tomrhodes1629]

Absolute Truth is simple. Complexity is of the ego. The Meaning of Life is the greatest secret in this world. But it has finally been revealed. And when you find the exact reason WHY you are experiencing a limited world of suffering, you find that the fire must burn you so that you learn to remove your hand from the fire. Give me a "click" if you want to know more.......

[@whatsinaname1667]

Why is there suffering? Coz without the fire you can't bake the bread

[@carlavela7106]

👍👍👍🔥🔥🔥

[@Stuttgart1887]

This is duality

[@Misslotusification]

@@Stuttgart1887 Which is the place finite minds live in. Nothing 'bad' in what our minds call good and bad.

[@truchua2626]

The kind of answer a 6 year old would give

[@nobody46820]

Is there a purpose to suffering? Yes. What is that purpose? Learning. Thank me later.

[@allywelly6173]

Lol.😄

[@elaineyue4020]

Actually yes. The purpose of contraction, or suffering, is to then subsequently expand and extend, to learn and grow.

[@carlavela7106]

@@elaineyue4020 In reality there is nothing to learn or to grow up. Suffering is "method" to make us to want to return to our natural state....otherwise we well never be aware of what we really are. We will never know that we are Pure Consciousness.

[@osho711]

Thank you.

[@Eazy_Danny]

There' s nothing to learn, learn would presume adding something to the mind, acquiring information, altering something on the level of the mind. The purpose of suffering is one - to show that what you consider yourself to be is not really who you are. In essence, the purpose of suffering is to die of inside self.

[@piyalechi]

Rupert, I have always heard you maintain that people come to your gatherings, because they are seeking happiness. I totally agree with that an unhappy person would seek, and therefore go to, spiritual gatherings, as one very good approach to mitigate the suffering. To that going to spiritual gatherings, though, I want to add my experiential angle: It is possible to seek the "happiness" in the context of the seeker being not necessarily "unhappy," but being happy and wanting to experience the sharing of presence with other happy spirits and marvel the interactions! That seeker would be exactly in the state that you described where the subject is rejoicing upon realization of self and just contributing in a celebration with the presence of joy, which you tried to explain to the miserable one and corrected him on "There's nothing to do!" Taking my clues from you and other non-dualists, I am that who has succeeded in my subjective examination and I have found my happiness. I truly know my essence now and really have no fundamental questions remaining about my existence. All that is left for me to "do" now is to keep remembering not to be lost in, or otherwise usurped by, the experience. To remember that I am the screen upon which the imagery is playing and the story is carrying on... So if I should one day find the resources to enable my humble presence in Rupertstan, it won't be because I am unhappy or miserable. Far from it! It would be because maximum greed is permitted in love and joy of true happiness, and therefore I would be coming to share with you and others, my Hafiz and his Wine :) 🍷🕉

[@truchua2626]

This sounds like a huge ego talking

[@piyalechi]

@@truchua2626 True. Thank you for sharing your observation!... 'Wanting' can only come from ego, and I did write that "I want to add my experiential angle."

[@allysonedwards4792]

If we didnt have suffering we wouldn't be able to get back to happy...🤗🙌😎🤔

[@davivify]

Well, it does tend to get your attention - sometimes when nothing else will.

[@peterscherba4138]

Answer. We love to experience. When it goes OFF then pain will motivate one to grow out and into a higher reality. A price. Yes. But it is a life we own. Rules. Laws. It is a structure we are in.. This is one reality OUT of an infinite number that we have access to.

[@mariomoralesmoreno5242]

Suffering can be seen as a mesurement unit. The degrees between our inner compass and the True North. Other Norths are our believes or intuitions about where is The North. But due to our mind/body limitations, every small differences are felt as suffering.

[@meenanaidoo714]

❤️

[@mindfulkayaker7737]

All internal combustion engines have a thermal switch that turn on when the temperature is too high so that the cooling system start and return the engine back to its normal operating temperature If I understand Rupert Suffering is like this by Thermal switch that will tell us that we most turn our attention back to our own nature and find permanente happiness and peace

[@jeanneott3017]

I absolutely resonate with this video and it makes perfect sense in my heart. I do have a question regarding the necessity of the apparent contraction to be manifested tn to this body/mind. How then does expansion or knowing of ones true self work within the framework of the contracted state of the body/mind?

[@Z00Maddict]

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[@nadimares7153]

Applaus!

[@user-ck6ly4st3v]

The Buddha said, life is suffering. And from all spiritual teachers and experience, I glean that life is the pursuit of happiness. Are suffering and happiness part of the duality, one of the sets of opposites we face in our 3D existence? It has been said that the purpose of the mind is to lead us always toward the seeking of pleasure and the avoidance of pain. But if pleasure and pain are the same, and only differ in interpretation...? I have so many questions. I guess I just have to ponder them and hope answers come from my spiritual team in meditation.

[@causer1985]

🌊🙏

[@TheScaryGermanGuy]

Just listen to this: @9:39

[@Jaaziar]

Wow rupert is so power full he shook the whole room when he placed the glass down 2:01

[@jairdanmeir9341]

Suffering is invented in the mind. Pain and joy are the polarities in the appearance of duality (reality). We could not know joy without sorrow. Suffering on the other had is the resistance, generated by the ego, to what is. Without joy and pain consciousness could not manifest this apparent duality. Suffering is the egos (mind generated sense of self) view of the pain. Suffering is thought based as is ego. The "purpose" of suffering is the same as the ego, to be transcended. The purpose of the appearance of duality is unknown outside of individuated, subjective opinion. One cannot awaken without experiencing the connection between suffering and ego. There is not, nor will there ever be more joy than pain perceived in the world. One who is awake does not experience pain as suffering. Both joy and pain are loves appearance in duality.

[@jonathannadeau6218]

Rupert is doing in this video what a happy person should spend their lives doing.

[@IAn0nI]

Should according to whom?

[@thetaeater]

It seems like this "happiness" would be much easier to find if I knew about this when I was maybe 8 years old. But at 40 with a family and everyone around is all wrapped up in the same material seeking - suffering cycle. I dont see how this is possible while participating in society without upsetting many people. Karma yoga seems to be the answer to this but by the time it sinks in I'll be dead. Oh well maybe in the next life I can pick up where I left off.

[@billydimtsis]

What about the people that have to deal with suffering from others,like the children who work as slaves in some countries

[@hannahcarlsten2461]

❤🙏🏽❤

[@malabuha]

Actually he's posing this question to himself. If every person asked themselves that question at times of deep suffering wonders would occur. It's like the moment of catching yourself red handed and asking yourself - what's the purpose i go through these motions.. may cause you drop your suffering act altogether

[@nikan4now]

Why is infinite consciousness interested in contracting into finite minds? If infinite consciousness is intelligent why is it doing the contraction? Doesn't make sense.

[@SriBrahmavidPrasad]

Nick Rst what else is there to do?

[@timeless4369]

Loneliness

[@bobsmart8302]

The question is why is suffering inveted or to what purpose? The answer is that suffering doesn't exist hence no purpose. Suffering is its own undoing.

[@mjl.9-19]

The opposite of suffering is not exactly pleasure or good. Suffering is a conscious reaction to mental/emotional pain; Pain which is inevitable and part of life as in Pleasure/Pain. Balance is the goal; equanimity. We choose how we view Pain/Pleasure Good/Bad. If we fear the negative we have "suffering".

[@ketchup5344]

Happiness is good health and a bad memory.

[@ketchup5344]

@Ruby Badilla Yes thats the word. I couldnt remember it.😁

[@johnnywlittle]

It’s the ultimate question really and comes out in a number of ways through humanity. In religion it’s, ‘why does god allow bad things to happen to good people’. But it’s a linear mind question seeking answers it’s not ok with & can’t make sense of, and trying find an answer to bring it resolution. I see it as egoic in nature. The mind wants its answers on its own terms, and wanting to know how things can possibly line up otherwise to its desires. When things don’t, it gets pissed off and objects, starting down the path to ‘right this wrong’ or as a concession, at least find out ‘why’. (and does so w/indignation). That’s kinda what it does though. It is like it’s patterned job. To go around, judging, sorting (good/bad, right/wring), correcting and objecting to the way things are. God forbid the world doesn’t line up to its plan of sorted boxes and what things should go where. David Hawkins speaks of this in another way. In short, the linear mind can never understand the nonlinear. Just as the finite can’t understand the infinite. Fast forward to this questioner, an angry and difficult guy (although the English polish it up so nicely, to make it not seem so) was pursuing a line of questioning that he can never find answers to. He will continue to be discontented (unhappy) until he realizes he’s caught in a never ending loop, meaning the fault lies in the pursuit itself. Ironically, he’s suffering from the question of suffering. Rupert knows exactly what’s he’s dealing with and does his very best to make the attempt anyway. Even putting up w/the man being snarky, at which one point he appropriately corrects him w/a quick mental smack on the hand, as to say ‘that’s enough of that’. It’s appropriate because the egoic pattern and perspective is childish in nature. It’s petty and small, not really caring about anything but itself. It masks its motives through mock altruism. It’s an interesting discussion w/much going on. In the end, the answer to this ultimate question of humanity, never quite satisfies but only temporarily appeases.

[@johnmartin7346]

My view is this: What God created was perfect; But Man's rebellion brought suffering and death; Now we only have to reconcile with the Creator, through the Messiah to return to Paradise with new immortal bodies and capable of experiencing infinite happiness (without limits) and Eternal Life. (This is my vision)

[@lodewijklangeweg742]

Who else but a Being Who is infinitely Good (God) would suffer while under the impression and the belief He is but a human, doing but human things? No one else. Yet He is willing to suffer it as each one of us, until we realize God is Who we really are, and begin to enjoy at least some of God's infinitely great joy, for just as infinitely great is the Love of Who our Being is, as Whom we gave our Life for the humans we seem to be. Entirely to the eternal divine benefit of their souls.

[@susanhealey2431]

Being innate consciousness...why would we not stay there...instead of shrinking ourself into finite mind....rest in effortless being

[@ravindramurthy3486]

I do believe that the true answer is: As long as we identify ourselves with "body/mind" - we will never know the answer except perhaps to accept it as a law of manifestation in a state of apparent duality. Questions such as this could be extended to questions such as "why are we born?". As long as we identify ourselves with body/mind - a "sufferer", "enjoyer", "thinker", "doer", "birth" "death" are all extensions of that identification. However, once you clearly see that the TRUE "I" is/was/will always be that IMPERSONAL PRINCIPLE OF EXISTENCE/CONSCIOUSNESS WHICH IN ITS ESSENCE IS ETERNAL, INFINITE AND PEACEFUL (AND IT IS NONE OTHER THAN I), the emotional roller coaster of life is unlikely to affect you.

[@LoveLeigh313]

But wouldn’t the purpose be to be here and experience the human experience? Doesn’t make sense to separate and contract only for the purpose being to be one again. Not saying we shouldn’t return to source, but shouldn’t the “purpose” of life be to live and experience our senses?

[@semangatjiwa7328]

I'm wondering why does consciousness (infinite mind) manifest as finite mind? Why consciousness doesn't remain as infinite mind and be happy forever as itself? Why does it have to manifest and pay the price with unhappiness-suffering?

[@waynzwhirled6181]

It seems to me that this is the question that was being asked, if not clearly. Rupert has answered this question in other videos; however, it was not answered in this one. The brief answer is that the one infinite consciousness descends (contracts) into physical form to experience itself. However as Lao-Tsu (or Laozi) said in the Tao Te Ching, the Tao (source/infinite consciousness) cannot be "named" (described).

[@reimavainola9034]

Budi Hartono we can not ask consciousness why questions, because there is not cause and effect in the absolute. For the finite mind the best answer is maybe that manifestation is its nature!

[@davee.4847]

He has made a video about that

[@malabuha]

My only reasonable conclusion as to why God envisioned murder or torture, animals hunting each other down, the whole design of a food chain on Earth could only exist if the atrocities are not permanent or real. That would explain it to me (if there is a potent intelligent power behind the curtains) why a place such as Earth exists. Not that Earth isnt as beautiful as heaven itself... it sure is... but life on it is one of a dog eat dog survival. Užas

[@tomrhodes1629]

The Meaning of Life is the greatest secret in this world. And when you find the exact reason WHY you are experiencing a limited world of suffering, you find the Meaning of Life in this world....information that I reveal in my book and my KZbin videos. I've been given the precise answers to your list of questions. Give me a "click" if you want to know more.......

[@ravenravella1000]

I can understand why he presses so intensely on these questions.......i would ask why the result of contraction couldn't be HAPPINESS ???? Why an existence that is so hard to discover happiness in......why not the balance be suffering as the difficult element to discover? If G-d is infinitely aware, could this not be sorted out as a basic to start with?

[@curiosity_saved_the_cat]

Does the idea that contraction (force) is required for happiness, really sound appealing to you? When contraction is conditioned in the mind/body it seems difficult to let it go, but holding on to it is in the end an impossible challenge. Suffering is in fact very difficult to discover, ask a rock. It took millions of years of evolution before pain was experienced, another couple of million years before it turned into suffering. Suffering is very complex, the answer to it perhaps not.

[@ravenravella1000]

@@curiosity_saved_the_cat : Perhaps not, but that is not answering my question.

[@laxmanaswamy8602]

His question is why consciousness with its complete perfection had to contract to finite mind for manifestation that too with the price of suffering, why all this play, Is consciousness felt incomplete without manifestation or is it unhappy without manifestation, Is that the reason why it contracted itself to manifestation???

[@curiosity_saved_the_cat]

@@ravenravella1000 It wasn't my intention to answer your question. It was an attempt to question the assumptions leading to your question.

[@curiosity_saved_the_cat]

@@laxmanaswamy8602 Your assuming 'complete perfection' doesn't involve incomplete imperfection a.k.a. 'finite'. Infinite consciousness didn't feel incomplete and needed manifestation, it is untouched by it so it can afford it. So can we.

[@of8ightandse7en16]

Some people already asked the same, why the Infinite suffers itself as the finite to just be infinite again. Every explanation leads to dead end. Why would the Infinite have "desire" to manifest at all.. since the whole idea of realization is to be desireless and egoless.. In soul evolution view, somehow we choose to be here, in fact all it's reincarnation and events are predestined. This seemed to be the "answer" since all wise sayings always point the errors back to ourselves and never "God". it is always our ignorance and lack of wisdom and all that. But then, that's very scary. The "me" now or anyone of us would never even or imagined we wanted this. Who would want to be murdered, mutilated, raped, died of cancer and untold miseries.. Some said that thru this ignorance and miseries, we would find that joy of rediscovering who we actually are. Still, it goes back to the idea that the INFINITE is supposed to be all blissful and unlimited. why does it even have the NEED and MOTIVE to go thru that ? the bliss of the infinite should have "accomodated" the joy of rediscovery. otherwise, infinite isnt infinite then. A long rambling but conclusion is, it's better that it remain unanswered. I got into depression thinking and accepting my existence here.

[@xirkira]

how do I seperate the true right seeking, instead of creating and escaping into special states of mind? how do I realize doing the right thing? it' tricky for me.

[@jameschesterton]

The guy asking the question was the cause of much suffering.

[@Morphick]

Why, then, would infinite consciousness contract itself, knowing full well it will lead to suffering?

[@bartomiej7501]

Form is formless. Infinite didnt choose anything, IT is already everything. U r asking urself and there are no real answers to be found because of that.

[@TheJooberjones]

Its not infinite if it doesnt include the possibility for suffering. The suffering happens when our self consciousness confuses the finite being for the infinite, sort of a short necessary confusion that needs to be passed through on the way back to divinity. The suffering itself is the search for god, but diverted into false objects.

[@garycunningham5014]

Why are there scary movies if we all know they're just going to scare you?

[@leelanjoy]

I still dont know what is the purpose of CONSCIOUSNESS to contract and suffer ? Why did CONSCIOUSNESS contract, why leave the equilibrium ?

[@osho711]

It contracted to have fun, to play. It got bored in the equilibrium.

[@leelanjoy]

@@osho711 Who told you that ? And what is so funny now with Corona ? Suffering, grief, pain ?

[@timeless4369]

I don’t think boredom is the only reason. I think the main reason is loneliness. Infinite consciousness/the universal mind longed for companionship more than anything else and by manifesting itself into individual, finite beings it solves the companionship issue but creates the potential for other forms of suffering. Of course people get lonely as well but those people are able to get pets, friends etc. I think deep down we all want companionship more than anything else. As above so below.

[@Workdove]

Devil's advocate...I like the questioner, very good video

[@tomrhodes1629]

The questioner is frustrated, because he is not being given the Meaning of Life.....which is the most esoteric secret in this Universe. The only place you will find currently this information is in my book, my source material, and my KZbin videos. No brag, just fact. So, give me a "click" if you're interested.........

[@EverHappyDude]

This doesn't even start to answer the depth of the question. We have wars where toddlers are unimaginably and brutally tortured, bodyparts crushed and cut up in front of their parents as a way of torturing thém. How is "find the source of your suffering" an answer to the question what is the purpose of their (these childrens) suffering?

[@tomrhodes1629]

The Meaning of Life is the greatest secret in this world. But it has finally been revealed. And when you find the exact reason WHY you are experiencing a limited world of suffering, you find that the fire must burn you so that you learn to remove your hand from the fire. Give me a "click" if you want to know more.......

[@RealMe-ju9hh]

If existence takes place inside consciousness why can it only spectate, why would it not have the ability to change existence?

[@ArfeenKhaled]

It does but the change is uncontrolled, as in there is no intent, no motive, and no goal and that allows true freedom to exist. In complete and total freedom there is no room for control, for control implies direction and where there is direction there isn’t complete freedom. Hope that helped

[@spyder629]

I would think this question is partly biological. Suffering and the ego is benificial in the feeling of not having enough and always be restless since this pushes progression and reproducing. Evolution doesn't care if you're happy or not, it just cares that you (the product) is constantly producing. Freeing yourself from the ego is partly about freeing yourself from the inherit plan of evolution (get born, mate, die). How we can realize that this is just a construct is because our brain is gifted with rationality that can expose this (enlightement).

[@tomrhodes1629]

When you are ready to go beyond presumption...to revelation....give me a "click".....

[@conniec.9067]

Shouldn’t the question have been instead of my purpose what is Sources reason to cause himself to leave happiness just to suffer, through us? “Experience”seems like to relieve boredom; then is that a good God? Gives us “ free will” then this causes suffering & We’re to blame on ourselves.

[@alexmarques2398]

So, assuming flies are less consciously expended, do they suffer more??

[@davidsweeney111]

It just doesn't make sense, what is the point to any of this thing we call life

[@blzahz7633]

Some people say that the purpose of life is to search for a purpose. So the confusion is integral part of it. Another way to look at it is: maybe life wants someone to witness its multiplicity. It so eagerly wants to show you the things it is so proud of. I mean don't you ever want to share something cool with someone? What if life is your companion that wants to share absolutely everything with you, and instead of actually paying attention to it you are so hasty just to pin a label to it so you can move on to something else i.e. you are not watching the movie, you want to jump to the ending scene and know the conclusion: what is life. What if you are supposed to forget yourself and just give into it, see and hear what life wants to show and tell you. What if life isn't about you - what if it's literally about *EVERYTHING* else.

[@elliotlee9577]

It's the pettiness of the human mind that is always searching for a purpose. Perhaps there is a purpose. Perhaps there is none. The question is really irrelevant, as life itself is enough.

[@davidsweeney111]

But my life has no meaning

[@summondadrummin2868]

The point or purpose is to learn, grow and evolve

[@summondadrummin2868]

@Ruby Badilla How does what I wrote contradict that?

[@Neil_85]

As a Christian I find your insights into the spiritual world to be truly amazing. But I think you're missing a crucial point, and that is that we are three part beings. Body soul and spirit. Our spirit is not who we are. We are souls, mind will emotions. Our spirit is consciousness or life, but we souls were created by that consciousness to manifest what that consciousness is. This is our purpose in life. Question....do you know how to manifest that consciousness, without knowing what the will of that consciousness is? Our will and the will of that consciousness are not one and the same. Our will must be surrendered to the will of the universal consciousness or God