Is There A REAL Difference Between Karen Carpenter and Tori Holub: "For All We Know"?

[@ronk701]

I agree with your review of Tori Holub, she is NOT mimicking its her real singing voice and very beautiful Bravado can't say no more. She can sing any song. Very bright future ahead for this lovely lady and thanks for your review - Music Mindset⚜👍

[@markcarbaugh5416]

Tori is a genuine treasure ❤

[@jimmididr]

Hi Mr. Music Mindset! Thank you so very much for your heartfelt reaction/review of our project! We love doing these great tunes, and working with Tori is a tremendous joy. I am so appreciative that you recognize all that happens on the production side of things. It takes me a lot less time to create a production if I do all parts myself, so that's what I did on this one, taking only a couple weeks. You are absolutely correct in saying that Tori naturally has a sound that is similar to the great Karen Carpenter. She is not trying to be her, but her beautiful pitch-perfect alto tone suits her performances of these great tunes. There are always people who will have something negative to say, but the fact is that we love the music, love that we can artfully and faithfully perform it, and are overjoyed that we can share it with everyone. Again, I thank you for your kind words!! -Jim

[@marciasanguinetti3900]

What a wonderful response Jim. Tori is sheer magic, and it is a pleasure to hear she has as warm a heart as you do too !!! You have talent natural and true Jim, and am I glad at the newly turned ripe age of 70 to have found you and Tori -- and everyone involved in her evolution for decades to come !!! Cheers to you and happiest, healthiest of New Years, M.

[@TheMusicMindset2023]

Thanks Jim, and I appreciate the opportunity to share my views and somewhat promote all you and Tori's outstanding work! You guys are one of a kind in thought and action.

[@GA-1st]

100%!!

[@ChuckHackney]

@jimmididr And Jim, beyond Tori's natural vocal gifts, one more thing: I am a huge fan of and adore Karen so much, her voice is spiritual to me. It calms my anxiety. Thank you and Tori so much for keeping this music alive and honoring Karen with Tori's talent. I believe it is imperative, in the graceless age we live in, that we keep that music, and Karen's memory alive, for music today. For this generation. Blessings and love from Chuck in NC PS--Here I go sobbing again. Her memory is so beautiful and yet so bittersweet.....

[@jbs256]

@@marciasanguinetti3900 hi Marcia, I hope you had a Happy New Year. Keep an eye out for a standard and 🌎. As the year rolls along. More reactions too. 😊 Joe

[@terrysigstad8999]

The first time I heard the Carpenters was in the early 70s. I was in my 20s and a veteran of the war. When I first heard Tori Holub sing Carpenter songs and her uncanny similarities to Karen Carpenter, my memories of that era came flooding back. Now I am in my 70s and feel blessed that Tori is able to take me back to those younger years.

[@TheMusicMindset2023]

@@terrysigstad8999 that era just meant something

[@ChuckHackney]

Again, thank you so much Tori, we are blessed to have you around. You bring tears to me eyes, too.

[@lindadavis3728]

Our world is so lucky to have a duplicate of Karen Carpenter. Tori is lucky to have been gifted a voice that sounds so ....much like Karen Carpenter. Her gift is for all to enjoy. Thank you.

[@NeillSackett]

Thank you very much for the history. I’ll learn a great deal. Who was this beautiful young lady who sings like an angel?!

[@TheMusicMindset2023]

@@NeillSackett we do it for you! thanks

[@do0ranfrump260]

There is a difference especially From performance to Performance but I have never heard anybody sound more like Karen Carpenter than this girl

[@jvburnes]

This is a great historical review as well as commentary on a wonderful performance. I'm waiting for her studio version of Rainy Days and Mondays. Tori is crazy talented. Her voice is like a combination of Karen Carpenter and Olivia Newton John. As incredible as her Carpenter's covers are you should also check out the Newton John cover, particularly Xanadu.

[@TheMusicMindset2023]

@@jvburnes thank you for your input. Will check it out.

[@jbs256]

@@TheMusicMindset2023 she did Suddenly with Dan and Magic on her own as a Short. Yet to do Xanadu. You did Suddenly.

[@jbs256]

Very good comment! ❤ Speaking of Rainy Days. Look on “I” for her Short with Jordan on piano. Look through the comments for one by paulielama2 and get ready for goosebumps.

[@MJo-ng4lj]

❤🎉🎊👌🙏 Beautiful.

[@wesmiddaugh230]

i bought mono records in the 60 for 2.99 and stereo 3.99. saw Doors twice in san diego and in real dollars are the same. Tori is so good and a pleasure to watch and listen to her music

[@anaheimdennis]

Very nice presentation! Bravo!

[@TheMusicMindset2023]

I really appreciate you saying so!

[@rogerhuggettjr.7675]

I can't believe how much it costs to see bands now. My first show was the Police in '83 for $12. When they came back after their breakup it would have cost over $100. The story that surprises my kids was tickets to see Motley Crue on their first trip to Minnesota opening for Ozzy in '85 were only $15.

[@pedromancenithe3rd]

I agree with you that what you hear is Tori's voice BUT when she covers a Carpenters song, Tori adds those little idiosyncrasies that Karen did like the crack in the vocal, the low vibrato. However and in my opinion Tori takes the edge off her higher end which creates a smoother softer tone. She's remarkable!!

[@ChuckHackney]

There is a difference, growing up with Karen..Tori does a great job, but her falsetto is just a bit stronger and more pronounced. There is not quite the gentleness of tone and purity that Karen had. YET, I LOVE HER VERSION, AND I LOVE HER AND JIM FOR KEEPING KAREN AND THIS MUSIC ALIVE TODAY. BLESSINGS, CHUCK IN NC

[@TheMusicMindset2023]

Yep, in fairness, she's Tori though, and not Karen, Right? (smile) Thanks for checking us out!

[@ChuckHackney]

@TheMusicMindset2023 of course, and I love Tori so much for her talent but also for keeping this music alive in 2024. It is so very important and blessings to Tori for what the is doing!!

[@arlenmathewz3695]

The only thing that Tori is missing to sound exactly like Karen is that little cry in Karen's voice. Of the several Carpenter songs done by Tori or anyone trying to sing like Karen, this version of "For all the know" is this best. I also think Tori does an amazing impersonation of Olivia Newton John.

[@odonovan]

1:55 - Petula (peh-TOO-lah)

[@Nightowl427272]

The first time I heard Tori was this video and I was convinced it was the original and she was lip-syncing. It took a minute for me to realize it. Truly astonishing…

[@marywilk3936]

Yes there is a difference in my opinion. Tori does sound so close to Karen's voice, however , for example say Richard Carpenter brought Tori in to sing a whole new song that he would have picked out for Karen's range , Tori lacks Karen's soul and spirit. Tori would not know how Karen would approach the vocals. John Bettis has once said that Karen had a Einstein like ability to capture the raw emotions of the lyrics in the song. This is what made Karen Carpenter's voice so very special. It's one thing to sound like her but quite another to capture the soul behind the voice.

[@jeffreyjacobs390]

THE DIFFERENCE is Tori has more power, bigger low end register and otherwise is a DOPPELGANGER for Karen ! Great !!!

[@RoxysRabbithole]

No, she doesn't sound exactly like Karen did. She has a great voice, but I can hear differences. Tori to me just sounds like Tori. I would not have thought it was Karen if this was playing somewhere. It's nice, beautiful and all that. You're saying "exactly" like Karen at 8:00. We all hear differently. No one can ever sound "exactly" like Karen. Similar, sure. They did a great job on this recording.

[@TheMusicMindset2023]

I get you, but not so much scrutiny though. I have no bias, I just listened to the original and then Tori with my eyes closed, and they sound exactly like as if the same person was singing both, maybe on a different day, if you know what I mean. And many would agree. As a pro singer, producer, and musician, that's how I saw it. You have a different feeling about Karen vs. Tori in your opinion. I just listened. But no hard feelings my friend; just my humble opinion. Nobody else is Karen. Thank you!

[@timphares3061]

The logo for one of the "Carpenters vs. Tori Holub" videos shows them side by side with tehir mouths open the same way.

[@jbs256]

Hi Mr. Music! What a wonderful analysis and history lesson. I agree with your overall, this is her best performance, yet. In both the quality and depth of voice. And she fooled me. I heard her before I saw her and thought it was a Karen isolated vocal. Errrr, it was Tori. If you’re familiar with Eduard2004 he made two videos about this song. One he slides back and forth between the original video. The other he just lays Tori and Jim under the original video. Both required no editing, just align and go. One did have back and forth but in perfect sync. The other Karen was in perfect lip-sync with a voice from 53 years in the future. Spooky. Check those out, if you haven’t. Thanks again and the next one isn’t a Carpenters cover! Not sure when it’s coming. Happy New Year to you and yours! Joe Edit: Oh and yes, Tori naturally sounds like Karen in her lower register. As no two voices can ever sound alike. The operative word is “like” not exactly. Extremely close but no one can duplicate. The technology (and you used a Fil pic, that was by my request) exists to show the difference even when our ears say wow!

[@TheMusicMindset2023]

Thanks! I appreciate the info and your INPUT! Keep in mind, even processing the components takes more than the current volume level you used. Turn up a Quarter ways- give or take, if at all possible. Or JOIN it together, at least on level 2 or higher, where we're always good for reasonable production at anytime as long as you're inside. (wink. Hope you can clearly hear and see the wave-length on the graph). lol. Thanks though!

[@jbs256]

@@TheMusicMindset2023 I use my iPad as my computer. So the app didn’t show me that option. I came back in using Safari and there it was. I’m now a proud member of the channel. 😊 You are the best which is why I’m here. Happy New Year, sir! For you and yours! Joe

[@TheMusicMindset2023]

@@jbs256 Thanks and much love brother!

[@timphares3061]

If Karen had lived long enough to have children and grandchildren, her granddaughter would probably ound like Tori Holub.

[@xymonau2468]

Karen Carpenter had superior phraseology. This young woman's voice is almost as good, though. Just lacking a smoothness and depth that Karen had. Not a lot, but it is different in certain places. If I heard the first lines I would have thought it was Karen, but not in later parts of the song. She has a great voice, though.

[@timphares3061]

Cloe your eyes and it may as well be Karen.

[@richardwhite2344]

I am not saying Tori is not a wonderful singer. But, let me just say nobody can compare to Karen Carpenter. Her voice was absolute perfection and nobody can touch her diction, how pure her voice was. I have heard this debate over and over and it is ridiculous. When you hear Karen sing you experience 20 different emotions, no other singer had that effect on a person, that Karen did. The Carpenters hit it big when I was 8 years old and I have heard thousands and thousands of singers in my lifetime and of course I know many Female singers that have gorgeous voices and they touch me, but are they comparable to Karen. NO, because nobody will ever be. A voice like Karen comes along only once

[@TheMusicMindset2023]

If you're a fan of the Carpenters, I can see why you'd feel that way. Karen's singing, experienced in real time, set a precedent that can never be surpassed. It would be unrealistic to say that Tori is better or could ever replace Karen-life will never give us the chance to hear them sing side by side in a live setting. That said, I appreciate artists like Tori who keep Carpenter songs and memories alive. While no one can outdo the original at being the original, having performers like Tori ensures Karen's music and legacy continue to reach new audiences. If no one is talking about Karen, her memory fades, and that would be a real loss. As long as people respect Karen's legacy-without elevating others above her or tarnishing her memory with poor interpretations-I'm okay with the comparisons. Tori seems sincere and dedicated, and it’s clear she takes her role seriously. So I’m happy to see her shine, as long as she stays true to Karen’s legacy. I think that's the least she can do to keep the great original alive. I hope that makes sense!

[@jbs256]

@@TheMusicMindset2023 it does to me. That so many aren’t seeing it, is sad. She’s what I classify as a Super-Fan. I’m so sorry she took down her videos showing her Carpenters memorabilia collection. It was something to behold. It showed where her heart was at. That she actually sounds as close as she does, is just next level. It was because of her that I got to see the 1975 Playboy Magazine issue with the survey results. Karen came in 10th, John Bonham 11th. So many misquote the results, Buddy was #1. Little things like that and programs, albums and electric guitar festooned with Carpenters imagery. I wish Jim would have her play that in a cover. That would be magical. Thanks my friend. Joe

[@NealSchultz]

There IS a difference between Tori and Karen. Tori has more vibrato/aportamento than Karen. Beautiful voice no doubt but not the same (as good?) as Karen Carpenter. But don't get me wrong...Tori is great.

[@russellcraddock3529]

Tori does have a certain style much like Karen; but Karen Still the best! Sad sad sad Day when she passed away from a eating disorder that still today unfortunately taking to many lives not really a eating problem or not eating problem but a mind sect that person isn't worthy of love getting or receiving it ! Like the rest of mental health concerns and issues nobody wants to do anything give a pill or injections when that wares off then the same problem remains! NOT enough money out there to do anything about it ! You know that is one item doctor's AND medical personal. Can't get a handle on we have eyes replaced heart and lungs replaced liver replacement teeth replaced etc nothing for the mind and brain! WHY ?????.

[@BillieS-s5w]

Tori should not sing Karen's sad songs. Karen's life did not end well. Don't copy her too much.

[@jbs256]

Stay tuned… 🌎

[@bryandavis8085]

Tori has a lovely voice, and she certainly reminds me of Karen. She doesn't, however, match the richness of Karen's lower register. That might not be possible.

[@TheMusicMindset2023]

Yep, Tori can only be Tori, while wonderfully reminding all of Karen, because only Karen was Karen!

[@johnb.2518]

Tori's version is lovely, but it doesn't come close to matching Karen's - no one ever has nor will they - Tori needs to stop the obsession with Karen and get her own music, career and life...

[@TheMusicMindset2023]

Woo, that's litlle rough! I'm not sure Tori is doing anything wrong though. Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Karen Carpenter's voice truly is one-of-a-kind and continues to inspire so many artists, including Tori. I think Tori's intention here isn't to "match" Karen but to pay homage to her legacy in her own unique way. Tori is also pursuing her own music and building a career that reflects her personal artistry. Covers like this are just one way she connects with fans and honors the icons who influenced her. I appreciate your passion for Karen's music, and I hope you might also enjoy seeing how Tori grows and give her the chance to become an artist in her own right!

[@roystoyscomics1361]

Tori has done covers by artists other than the Carpenters. But her tone resonates best with the Carpenters catalogue.

[@tonyscupham-bilton7523]

Having listened to Karen Carpenter since 1969 I can stay for certain that Tori Holub is 3rd rate. Tori sounds forced, as if she is deliberately trying to sound like, and be compared to, Karen Carpenter.

[@jbs256]

Third rate? That’s how Tori sounds in her lower register. Maybe spend a minute and investigate. Why be demeaning to one of the best voices of the modern era? You can not listen if you prefer. That would better for all of us.

[@TheMusicMindset2023]

Thank you for sharing your perspective. I understand and respect your deep admiration for Karen Carpenter-she’s a legend for a reason, and I love her singing too. However, I feel your judgment of Tori Holub might be clouded by that admiration. If we set aside biases and simply focus on what we hear, Tori demonstrates remarkable vocal skill and emotional delivery. She’s not trying to be Karen but rather paying homage to her while bringing her own artistry to the song. Discrediting her as 'third-rate' feels unfair and dismissive of her genuine talent. But I still respect your right to your opinion. Thanks again.

[@bengemeister]

Nice copy-a little forced. Does she have anything original. Copying is not maturing. I could tell the difference. It's not just the voice, there's phrasing etc. You're too easily impressed. I won't be back.

[@TheMusicMindset2023]

Geez, that wasn't too nice. I'm glad you got that off your chest! But respectfully, you could have probably kept it too! But maybe that's just what you do. I've been part of music 50 years bro. I know my game plan, and I know what I know! Thanks though!

[@jbs256]

@@TheMusicMindset2023 they come out of the woodwork to slam Tori. I do not think Karen would ever have been so rude. Richard certainly wasn’t when he met Tori. So, his rant means zero. It does not out rank Richard. He used the word, forced. If it was “forced” this could not have been done with zero editing. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jp6xqmB4adSCgs0si=hkVmu3swX7f0p2It .

[@TheMusicMindset2023]

@@jbs256 I picked up a philosophy a while back: it's incredibly easy for people to share opinions online that they'd never dare to say face-to-face. Hiding behind a screen often emboldens them to express negativity that reflects more about them than anything else. While such comments might agitate me for a moment, I remind myself that trolls lack the courage to say these things in person. Their goal is to provoke, much like fishermen trolling with bait to catch unsuspecting fish. With that perspective, it's easier to disregard their remarks and focus on meaningful conversations, like the ones most viewers, including you, tend to have. I digress

[@jbs256]

@@TheMusicMindset2023 very well said, my friend. ❤

[@bengemeister]

@@TheMusicMindset2023

[@cherylsims5636]

Tori is wonderful. Kare Carpenter re-incarnated for sure. Not a doubt in my mind