Is There Any Way Out for Protestants on James

[@129jasper1]

Good work on your video, RC. Taking up the cross and doing the word of the Lord, with the Faith that's been passed to us is where I fall flat. You're building a good understanding already, as a young man, and I'll pray that God keeps you on the way.

[@theredneckcatholic1417]

God Bless!

[@cherylschalk9106]

Well done, thanks for the video 😊

[@JC_Forum_of_Christ]

@@theredneckcatholic1417 It’s pretty simple. All you have to do is read the entire chapter. James is talking about partiality. So how do you tell if you someone is a genuine believer? How can you say you are a true believer if you don’t even take care of your fellow believers who are in need. Just because you say the right words, like “Hear O Israel, the Lord your God…” doesn’t make you saved (Or baptism which doesn’t save.) Instead James 2:18 you show your faith by your actions… that’s it!!! Pretty simple .. just reading By the way, Luke 20:36 says praying to/with/ intercede is idolatry too

[@tabandken8562]

​@@JC_Forum_of_ChristLuke 20:36 doesn't say that. I don't know how you read that into that verse?

[@JC_Forum_of_Christ]

@@tabandken8562 “for they cannot die anymore, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭20‬:‭36‬ The dead become sons of God. Should we speak to another son of God?

[@Nirvanafanboy1991]

Amazing explanation and very well articulated thank you so much RC!!

[@39knights]

Our Initial Justification is always a pure act of Grace by God. That is why we Catholics can baptize infants (and why in the OT babies were circumcized) because there is absolutely NOTHING required of us to receive that initial justification. Ironically it is the Baptists and other non-caths who put conditions on our initial salvation; such as you must believe, you must make an act of faith, you must call on the name of Jesus, etc. etc. Any sect which makes a 'must' claim is a works-based religion whether they admit it or not; because they place some requirement on the part of the believer for justification to come to them.

[@theredneckcatholic1417]

This is a good point and is also a major reason that the Lutherans, Reformed, and Methodists decided to agree to the joint statement of 1999.

[@aadschram5877]

Great vid!

[@gunsgalore7571]

Well I mean I guess they could all just come home to Rome...

[@mikekukovec4386]

Why do you say "come home" to Rome? Is it to try to make people feel like they aren't at home in their church? That would be like me saying Roman Catholics should just become a Bible-believing Christian. It's manipulative language.

[@gunsgalore7571]

@@mikekukovec4386 Well Catholics ARE Bible-believing Christians, so there's that.

[@DuroDP]

You can only be sola fide up until the point that your faith is tested and you must make a choice. Only in the coddled west do we hear claims of sola fide. In the real world, someone who has faith will always have to act in accordance with their faith because they will face trials and tribulations that will put their faith on the line. At any point that their faith is tested and they fail, they are in danger of damnation unless they repent and, if they’re fortunate, die before their next trial.

[@nickoli477]

Hey, Protestant here. Just came across your video randomly and I think there is a bit of a difference in our definitions of what faith means here. When we say "by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone," the faith isn't just believing that Jesus is the Son of God- even the demons believe that- but faith in Him as your Savior. Jesus clearly didn't die to save the demons, so they can't very well claim him as their savior. Interesting video! I would love to see you do one on Ephesians. Something like "Is there any way out for catholics on Ephesians 2:8-9?" 👀

[@theredneckcatholic1417]

Fair enough. In the video, I cover the points you make right here starting at 19:28. Because you're absolutely right. The definition of faith here really is the difference. And as I mention moving forward from 21:32, once Catholics and Protestants accept that our definitions are a little bit different, we typically do agree on salvation. In fact, since 1999 all differences between the Catholic Church and the Lutheran World Federation on Justification have been resolved, according to the Catholic-Lutheran Joint Declaration of the Doctrine of Justification. In 2006, the World Methodist Council also signed the agreement, followed by the World Communion of Reformed Churches (also known as Presbyterians or Calvinists) in 2017. The point of this video isn't that there is no way out for Protestants on this Bible verse. It's that the only way out leads them into agreement with the Catholic Church. As I actually allude to later on in the video, Catholics have a similar relationship with Ephesians 2:8-9. We do affirm the passage and our views do align with it, but that's partly because our doctrine of justification is a lot closer to Protestantism than most Protestants (or even Catholics, for that matter) realize.

[@nickoli477]

​@@theredneckcatholic1417 I think we still disagree at 19:28. What you are saying (correct me if I'm wrong) is that faith includes works, but I am in the "works are a result of faith" camp. I am saying faith here is faith in Jesus alone to save you, so you are saved by grace and not by works. I would even say works did not contribute to your salvation.

[@theredneckcatholic1417]

@@nickoli477 Okay, I think I see what you're saying. Yeah we still disagree. I'm not sure that the distinction between believing that Jesus is the Son of God and as your personal Savior is what James is getting at with the demons, because the passage is so explicitly about works. Also, as I cite in the video, I don't see how it's possible to get around a holy and just life being an integral part of one's salvation, as Matthew 25:31-46 explicitly states that good works will be rewarded with eternal life, whereas bad works will be rewarded with eternal punishment. Now, I don't think that any of those things contradict Ephesians 2:8-9, because I think that works are of no use in and of themselves, but only in connection with supernatural faith. Now, things are going to get a little hairy here because a Catholic should believe that good works are a result of supernatural faith, but we still don't call it "sola fide," because even if the works are a gift from God and a result of faith, they are still essential to salvation. This is of course entirely different from the intellectual conviction that Jesus died for your sins, because if you're merely convinced of something and simply believe it, that does not mean you will live by it. Supernatural faith is required.

[@nickoli477]

@@theredneckcatholic1417 I think his point with the demons is the same as in verse 18, that you prove saving faith by your works. I was just saying that we have different ideas of what faith means there, I didn't mean it was his point. I would say that Matthew isn’t saying they were saved by their works but that they never had faith, because if they had faith, their faith would have borne fruit. If you have faith, there will be fruit, but it’s not the fruit that saves you. I guess you could say the fruit is the effect not the cause of salvation.

[@iwansaputra1890]

jesus said if you believe ne, keep my comandments what "keep my comandments" mean?

[@approvedofGod]

I am not an image venerator such as yourself, but I will answer your question. Yes, Christians believe that "salvation" comes by faith only. After one is saved (grace through faith), then one walks in total obedience to Christ and the gospel. On a side note, we do not accept man-made traditions coming from anybody.

[@theredneckcatholic1417]

This looks like an "I did not watch the video" comment as you haven't answered a single one of my arguments and just brushed the whole point aside.

[@tabandken8562]

Yes you do follow man-made Traditions. ALL your non-Catholic Traditions are man-made. Ours are from God. We have no man-made Traditions.

[@approvedofGod]

@@tabandken8562 What is your proof?

[@chadmeidl1140]

ROMANS 4:1-10 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. *4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.* *5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.* 6Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom *God imputeth righteousness without works,* 7Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. 9Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness. *10How was it then reckoned?* when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? *Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.* James 2:20-24 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead? *21Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?* 22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, *and by works was faith made perfect?* 23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, *Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness:* and he was called the Friend of God. *24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.* These two scriptures from James and Romans contradict if applied to the same person/persons at the same time for imputed righteousness or Justification. BOTH James and Romans state that Abraham is "our" father. They both state that Abraham believed God. Romans states that a man is Justified by NOT working and is imputed righteousness without works. James states that a man is Justified or imputed righteousness by faith AND works. James states that Abraham's works made his faith perfect. Paul states that a man cannot perfet his faith by works: Galatians 3:2-4 This only would I learn of you, *Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?* 3Are ye so *foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?* 4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. These passages clearly contradict. There are some solutions apparent: Either James is in error. Paul is in error. Both James and Paul are in error. OR These passages in scripture are correct but we must read the *fine print* and *reference the Old Testament passages they refer to.*

[@chadmeidl1140]

James states that Abraham was Justified (by faith and works) by offering Isaac. Genesis Ch. 22:15-17 And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time, 16And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done *this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:* 17That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; God promises Abraham that his seed should be as the (1) stars of heaven (2) sand of the sea, and they shall possess the gate of his enemies. Paul states that Abraham was reckoned righteousness in UNCIRCUMCISION. Romans 4:10 10How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? *Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.* When was Abraham CIRCUMCISED? GENESIS 17:7-13 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. 8And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God. 9And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt *keep my covenant* therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations. *10This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.* This covenant of circumcision is given to Abraham and his seed. God gives Abraham and his seed THE LAND as an everlasting possession. James states that Abraham was Justified by offering Isaac in circumcision. Paul states that Abraham was Justified in UNCIRCUMCISION. These verses CONTRADICT if applied to the Abraham at the SAME TIME. When was Abraham Justified according to Paul? ROMANS 4:16-24 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to *all the seed;* not to that only *which is of the law,* but to that *also which is of the faith of Abraham;* who is the father of us all, 17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations, before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. 18Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of *many nations,* according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19And *being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead,* when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet *the deadness of Sara's womb:* *20He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief;* but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22And *therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.* 23Now it was *not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;* 24But *for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;* Where do we find Abraham believing God about having children? GENESIS 15:1-7 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. 2And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, *seeing I go childless,* and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? 3And Abram said, Behold, to me *thou hast given no seed:* and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 4And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. 5And he brought him forth abroad, and said, *Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.* 6And *he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.* 7And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it. Paul cites GENESIS chapter 15, NOT Genesis 22 and James does. Abram (his name had not YET been changed to "Abraham" -meaning father of MANY NATIONS) was Justified or imputed righteousness as a GENTILE Chaldean from the city of Ur. Abram was JUSTIFIED by FAITH, not by works (he simply BELIEVED what God told him). NOTICE that the promise is expanded from Genesis 15:5-6 in Genesis 22: Genesis 15:5-6 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. 6And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness. Genesis 22:17 17That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, *and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;* The promise of the stars is EXPANDED to include the sand of the sea, and the sand of the sea shall possess the GATE of his enemies. (A LAND HOLDING-the Land of Israel for the Jew.) Abraham as a GENTILE was reckoned righteousness by FAITH, without the works of the Law, BEFORE Isaac was born. Abraham as the father of the JEWS, after the COVENANT of CIRCUMCISION was reckoned righteousness by offering Isaac years later by faith AND WORKS. Abraham is the father of MANY NATIONS. The stars and the sand typify TWO GROUPS. BOTH passages are correct, YET Paul rightly divides the book of Genesis at Chapter 17. 2 TIMOTHY 2:15 *Study to shew thyself approved unto God,* a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, *rightly dividing the word of truth.* Notice that James 2:22 CONTRADICTS Galatians 3:1-4: 22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, *and by works was faith made perfect?* GALATIANS 3:1-4 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2This only would I learn of you, *Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?* *3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?* 4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. Galatians 2:16 *Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.* James in NOT written to Christians: JAMES 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the *twelve tribes* which are scattered abroad, greeting. Paul states that there is neither Jew or gentile in the Body of Christ, the CHURCH. 1 CORINTHIANS 10:32 *Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:* Paul's epistles are the doctrinal commands of Paul to the Church. Either you are a lost Jew, a lost gentile, or a SAVED Christian (Jew and gentile in one body) in the CHURCH. James Chapter 2 is stating how Abraham as a Jew was Justified by faith and works, just as the JEW was Justified by faith and works to get to Abraham's Bosom/Paradise. Abram the gentile was Justified by faith without works BEFORE ISAAC WAS BORN. Abraham the father of the Jew was Justified after CIRCUMCISION by faith AND WORKS by offering Isaac. The Blood of Jesus Christ was the propitiation (for the OLD TESTAMENT JEW AND GENTILE WITHOUT LAW to get to heaven) for sin (Rom. 3:20-28) and the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus for our sins SAVES us TODAY (1 Cor. 15:1-4). After the rapture of the Church (1 Thess. 4:13-18, John 11:25-26, 1 Cor. 15:49-53) the Jew will once again be required to have works and faith, as will the gentile in the Time of Jacob's Trouble; the Tribulation of Daniel's Seventieth Week. The JEW is given the NEW COVENANT (Jeremiah 31:31-34) because she is an ADULTEROUS WIFE (Jeremiah 3:8). The CHURCH is a CHASTE VIRGIN (2 COR. 11:2) redeemed by a TESTAMENT. A chaste virgin has NEVER BEEN MARRIED BEFORE and is not an ADULTEROUS WIFE. Trying to be Justified (like a JEW under the Law) today by James Ch. 2 will warrant NO SALVATION. Have you been CIRCUMCISED in order to be Justified? A JEW had to be circumcised as circumcision was a covenant. Christians are saved by the NEW TESTAMENT.

[@_ready__]

Read James 1:1

[@chadmeidl1140]

IF a man is saved by works, which work Justified you? Abraham was told by God DIRECTLY that his offering of Isaac was the work that Justified him. Did God audibly tell you which work you performed reckoned your righteousness? How do you know you are saved then? 1 JOHN 5:13 These things have I written unto you that *believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life,* and that ye may *believe on the name of the Son of God.* No works mentioned, but believing is.

[@_ready__]

Nope - see the gospel of Christ

[@tabandken8562]

What did John write? You cherrypicked a verse at the end of John's letter that states, "these things I have written". What did he write? No works mentioned? Let's see because before he wrote, "these things I have written", he wrote... (and it's a whole lot of works and conditions to Salvation. Light=saved, darkness=not saved) 1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light and in him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with him while we are walking in darkness, we lie and do not do what is true; 7 but if we walk in the light as he himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we have come to know him, if we obey his commandments. 4 Whoever says, “I have come to know him,” but does not obey his commandments is a liar, and in such a person the truth does not exist; 5 but whoever obeys his word, truly in this person the love of God has reached perfection. By this we know that we are in him: 6 whoever says, “I abide in him,” ought to walk in the same way as he walked. 1 John 2:9 Whoever says, “I am in the light,” while hating a brother or sister, is still in the darkness. 10 Whoever loves a brother or sister abides in the light, and in such a person[b] there is no cause for stumbling. 11 But whoever hates a brother or sister is in the darkness, walks in the darkness, and does not know the way to go, because the darkness has brought on blindness. 1 john 2:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. The love of the Father is not in those who love the world, 16 for all that is in the world-the desire of the flesh, the desire of the eyes, the pride in riches-comes not from the Father but from the world. 17 And the world and its desire[c] are passing away, but those who do the will of God abide forever. 1 John 2:29 If you perceive that he is righteous, you also know that everyone who does right has been born of him. 1 John 3:3 And all who have this hope in him purify themselves, just as he is pure. 1 John 3:4 Everyone who commits sin is guilty of lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that he was revealed to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in him sins; no one who sins has either seen him or known him. 1 John 3:7 Little children,[b] let no one deceive you. Everyone who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 Everyone who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. 1 John 3:9 Those who have been born of God do not sin because God’s seed abides in them;[c] they cannot sin because they have been born of God. 10 The children of God and the children of the devil are revealed in this way: all who do not do what is right are not from God, nor are those who do not love a brother or sister. 1 John 3:15 All who hate a brother or sister are murderers, and you know that murderers do not have eternal life abiding in them. 1 John 3:16 We know love by this, that he laid down his life for us-and we ought to lay down our lives for the brothers and sisters. 1 John 3:17 How does God’s love abide in anyone who has the world’s goods and sees a brother or sister in need and yet refuses help? 1 John 3:18 Little children, let us love not in word or speech but in deed and truth. 19 And by this we will know that we are from the truth and will reassure our hearts before him 20 whenever our hearts condemn us, for God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 1 John 4:12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us, and his love is perfected in us. 1 john 4:20 Those who say, “I love God,” and hate a brother or sister are liars, for those who do not love a brother or sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21 The commandment we have from him is this: those who love God must love their brothers and sisters also. 1 John 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. 3 For the love of God is this, that we obey his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome,

[@chadmeidl1140]

@@tabandken8562 Do you follow Matthew 19? The rich young ruler asked Jesus what he had to do to inherit eternal life. MATTHEW 19:16-25 And, behold, one came and said unto him, *Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?* 17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: *but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.* 18He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: *what lack I yet?* 21Jesus said unto him, *If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.* 22But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 23Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, *That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.* 24And again I say unto you, *It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.* 25When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, *Who then can be saved?* Do you keep ALL the commandments? Have you sold what you own and given to the poor? WHY NOT? Are you a vegetarian? GENESIS 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you *every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.* Or do you follow the Jewish law on food? LEVITICUS 11:10-21 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you: 11They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination. 12Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you. 13And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, 14And the vulture, and the kite after his kind; 15Every raven after his kind; 16And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind, 17And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl, 18And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle, 19And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat. 20All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you. 21Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth; The claim of "cherry picking" is one of not reading the Bible and taking doctrine for the Jew before the cross or in the Tribulation as doctrine for the Church today. What gospel do you preach? The gospel of the Kingdom in Matthew 10:5-8? MATTHEW 10:5-8 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, *Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:* *6But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.* 7And as ye go, preach, saying, *The kingdom of heaven is at hand.* *8Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.* Do you do the signs and miracles REQUIRED in verse 8? MARK 16:15-18 And he said unto them, *Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.* 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; *but he that believeth not shall be damned.* *17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;* *18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.* Do ALL these signs follow you? IF not, you must not believe (verse 16). Is a Christian Justified by works? JAMES 2:21-24 *Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?* *22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?* 23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. *24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.* Verse 22 CONTRADICTS Galatians 3:3 Galatians 3:1-4 *O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you,* that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? 2This only would I learn of you, *Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?* *3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?* 4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain. James is written to the 12 tribes. The 12 tribes are JEWS. JAMES 1:1 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, *to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad,* greeting. Paul states that Abraham was JUSTIFIED by faith WITHOUT the works of the Law: Romans 4:4-5 *For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.* *4Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.* *5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.* When did Abraham receive this righteousness according to Paul? ROMANS 4:10 *How was it then reckoned?* when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? *Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.* Abraham offered Isaac in Genesis chapter 22. Abraham was CIRCUMCISED in Genesis 17! Abraham was Justified as a GENTILE, BEFORE CIRCUMCISION in Genesis Chapter 15: ROMANS 4:16-25 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end *the promise might be sure to all the seed;* not to that only which is of the law, but to *that also which is of the faith of Abraham;* who is the father of us all, 17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. *18Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.* 19And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, *neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb:* 20He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; *21And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.* *22And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.* *23Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;* *24But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;* 25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification. READ Romans 15:1-6. Abraham did NO WORKS here as he simply believed what God told him: GENESIS 15:1-6 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. 2And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, *seeing I go childless,* and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? 3And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 4And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, *This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.* 5And he brought him forth abroad, and said, *Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.* *6And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.* Do you build a boat when it rains (Noah)? Did you offer your firstborn son for Justification (Abraham)? Did you sell ALL you own and give the money to the poor (The rich young ruler)? Did you refuse the mark of the beast (Rev. 13)? Who is cherry picking?

[@_ready__]

Do you follow the 10 commandments to attain salvation? Yes or no?

[@atgred]

Jesus says we have to do the will of the Father. Because not all that call His name will be saved. Now if you are a protestant, the 10 commandments will differ from the way the Catholic Church has presented them. But almost have to do with loving God (no idolatry of course) and loving our neighbor. The key word is “love”. As St. Paul states clearly, you can have faith that moves mountains but if you don’t have love, you have nothing. We will be judged by what we do to others. Jesus sets perfect examples of this in Mt. 25.

[@_ready__]

@@atgred what is the will of the father? Do you know? What does the bible say? It seems you have made up your own version without consulting God’s word? Grace and peace

[@_ready__]

@@atgred do you follow the 10 commandments to ATTAIN salvation? Yes or no!?!

[@tabandken8562]

​@@_ready__If you habitually disobey the Commandments, you won't be saved.

[@_ready__]

@@tabandken8562 so you get saved by being good? Are you proof your religion is a works religion?

[@robertmcvicar5824]

Been a Christian for 43years. I was born again and have served him ever since. My justification by faith alone has produced good works but they are not to save me they are a labour of love. Dear catholic friend give up your religion and trust in Christ and him crucified alone.

[@theredneckcatholic1417]

This comment does not address the points I made in the video. Any reading of the Bible proves that works do in fact matter in our justification, even if they are not the source of it.

[@robertmcvicar5824]

@@theredneckcatholic1417 Not of works lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2v8-9.

[@theredneckcatholic1417]

@@robertmcvicar5824 Again, my video is about a specific passage in scripture, James 2. Ephesians is a separate issue. Besides, Catholics agree with Ephesians 2, as we believe that our salvation is from God, not from man. However, we do believe that to receive it, we must follow Christ's commands. That is exactly what James teaches and what I discuss in this video.

[@robertmcvicar5824]

Jonah3v5 This is justification by faith alone that Paul speaks of in Romans.v10 This what James is talking about. Works are the fruit of salvation. Prayerfully yours.

[@theredneckcatholic1417]

@@robertmcvicar5824 I already explained why this argument does not work in the video and that works are fundamental to salvation. Did you not watch the video?

[@Andy26231]

Protestant here. Actually open to the Catholic doctrine and learning more. But I'd never say that salvation isn't by grave through faith ALONE. The Bible is completely clear on how one is saved. Works are dirty rags. I see a complete harmony in James chapter 2 and Roman's. As a Protestant

[@theredneckcatholic1417]

I have a question for you. I can understand how a certain definition of sola fide could fit with James 2. It's the definition I discuss at 19:28. But I don't understand the kind of thinking you mention in this comment. Yes, works may be "dirty rags" on their own, but in Christ they are obviously much more. In Matthew 7:21, we are called to follow Christ, not just call Him Lord. In Matthew 25:31-46, the very difference between the saved and the damned is that the saved cared for the poor. Now, works are not the source of our salvation. The Catholic Church does not teach that. But works can not be forgotten, either. Any reading of scripture will remind us that the things we do do matter.

[@Andy26231]

⁠@@theredneckcatholic1417yeah sorry I had a late night flight so my thoughts aren't probably coming through as well articulated. But your solution that you provide within 19:24 is exactly how I view it. He's talking about and making a distinction between a living faith. So the justification he's talking about here is different. One of my friends, 10X more studied than me (Protestant) actually holds that it's the same justification that Paul is talking about... anyway I digress. My point about the dirty rags here wasn't to say I don't think good works are important. In fact I think the exact opposite. All of the good works I do are by default only for the glory of God and because I love and respect and fear him. When taking faith + works to just faith, by default the good works I do are because of the love and fear and building of the kingdom. When I think if you hold a faith + works view, than you're doing works to try and earn your salvation, when in fact the Bible teaches us Christ did that. A true faith in Christ is one that has works accompanied by it. Submission the the commandments, fear of the lords wrath, love, visiting people in jail, reading the word etc. and I think James paints a clear picture of seeing if someone actually has faith by looking at their works And us Protestants would then appeal to Roman's. Where it says sobadically so does that mean we don't have to work and we can go on sinning? BY no means! So as far as the dirty rag comment went. I was basically trying to say that as far as standing before God and telling him and showing him all I did. Those works are tainted and dirty rags because I'm a ruthless sinner, and in some way even those good works I do are selfish because I'm a sinner. Sorry. Kinda long rant but yeah

[@theredneckcatholic1417]

@@Andy26231 I see what you're saying. Yes, this view that you take is a solid one that neither I nor the Catholic Church has any objection to.

[@tabandken8562]

Are you saying our good works are dirty rags to God?

[@louisvega-oe2sc]

By grace alone, and faith alone are you saved! God did all the works and is the one that does all the works! Even Jesus said, "I can do nothing without my father!" A vessel is empty, it needs to be filled with love, that is God, not the vessel? 1corinthians 13:1 - it is God that does the works when you are born of the Spirit, you rest on him, not by your works!..

[@tabandken8562]

That's Catholic teaching.

[@louisvega-oe2sc]

@@tabandken8562 there's no such thing as catholic teaching in the bible, only Spiritual teaching, by the master, JESUS CHRIST!

[@tabandken8562]

@@louisvega-oe2sc @louisvega-oe2sc The entire Bible is Catholic teaching and the NT was written by the Catholic Church. Jesus started the Catholic Church. The NT was written for Catholics, who are the most Spiritual of all Christians.

[@tabandken8562]

@@louisvega-oe2sc @louisvega-oe2sc The entire Bible is Catholic teaching and the NT was written by the Catholic Church. Jesus started the Catholic Church. The NT was written for Catholics, who are the most Spiritual of all Christians.

[@tabandken8562]

​@@louisvega-oe2sc @louisvega-oe2sc The entire Bible is Catholic teaching and the NT was written by the Catholic Church. Jesus started the Catholic Church. The NT was written for Catholics, who are the most Spiritual of all Christians.

[@soulosxpiotov7280]

There is a way out. I'm an Evangelical, and I can explain it. Now if I showed you BIBLICALLY the answer, will you accept what the Scriptures say? Because if you place any standing, any JUSTIFICATION before God by adding your works.....you're going to hell, to the Lake of Fire. God will NEVER owe ANYTHING to ANYONE.

[@theredneckcatholic1417]

This looks like an "I didn't watch the video" comment.

[@soulosxpiotov7280]

@@theredneckcatholic1417 didn't mention this already, but to be 'justified' means to be Declared righteous. You have to be sinlessly perfect to be right with God (Romans 2), and this is impossible, which is why people need Christ's righteousness IMPUTED / CREDITED to you as a result of entering into union In Christ

[@soulosxpiotov7280]

@@theredneckcatholic1417 The matter concerning demons is that there is a distinction between mental assent - agreeing about the truths of God - and actually trusting in the Lord for salvation. Anyone can say they 'believe in God," and many people say that, including Roman Catholics and Protestants, but do not trust in Christ for their Saviour in the right way.

[@soulosxpiotov7280]

@@theredneckcatholic1417 Actually, we don't say "Works don't add to our Salvation," but instead "Works don't add to our Justification." Now, it does take the Holy Spirit's help in one's sanctification, which is a salvation, but not 'saved from God's wrath because of sin," but instead "saved from sin's power." Sanctification doesn't add to one's justification, nor is the cause of someone going to heaven. Also, I don't know of any protestant who believes that "I can do anything I want, and I'll go to heaven," - this shows a lack of fear of the Lord. Further, we protestants recognize Luther was wrong about Luther.

[@soulosxpiotov7280]

@@theredneckcatholic1417 It comes down to this, RNC, what are you trusting in to get to heaven? Are you trusting in your infant baptism, your not committing mortal sin, your "doing your best," and "cooperating with the Lord" to get to heaven? Or......are you trusting in Christ and His righteousness AND NOTHING ELSE?

[@calebrobinson7277]

You shouldn’t say Protestants, because not all protestants, believe in faith alone, justification by faith alone, there are quite a lot of Protestants, including the church of Christ that believe, that justification comes from voice faith and works, and that it is through works. Your faith is made perfect, and therefore you receive justification.

[@Andy26231]

I mean that's exactly what the Bible teaches. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast.”

[@jacobemmanuel4772]

church of Christ actually are not Protestant since they have no connection to the Protestant reformation (they came hundreds of years later) and in fact reject the Protestant reformation.

[@freakylocz14]

Yes there is. James 2:24 is not describing how a man is justified, but how you see that a man is justified. And the only reason James would draw a distinction between how a man is justified and how you see that a man is justified is if they were different. So, what James 2:24 is saying is this: A man is justified by faith alone without works, but YOU see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.

[@theredneckcatholic1417]

As I explain starting at 9:02, this argument does not work.

[@freakylocz14]

@@theredneckcatholic1417

[@freakylocz14]

@@theredneckcatholic1417 Ignoring what the actual words of the text of the verse says, are we? 😵‍💫 The verse says "YOU see that a man is justified by works," not "GOD sees." And this comes immediately after we're told Abraham was justified by faith alone before God in verse 23 to boot.

[@freakylocz14]

@@theredneckcatholic1417 Oh, and James 2:19 doesn't say the demons believe in Jesus, it says that the demons believe "that there is one God. NO ONE is even claiming that salvation is by believing "that there is one God." Even the Muslims believe that-and shudder. So, we can see that you've completely omitted the beginnings of both verses 19 and 24 ("You believe that there is one God" and "You see that" respectively) in order to support your heresy.

[@_ready__]

@@theredneckcatholic1417 read James 1:1. Who is he speaking to?