Saved by Faith or Works? w/ Dr. Scott Hahn

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Matt asks Dr. Hahn a persistent question in Catholic-Protestant apologetics: are we save by faith alone, or by works and faith. Dr. Hahn explains how the biblical Catholic answer is a little more interesting than one way or the other.
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[@coffeeanddavid]

It's not "faith AND works" or "faith OR works" but rather "Faith THAT works."

[@RomGabe]

Wrong again. Where do you find that in Scripture? It is Sola Fide, Eph. 2:8-10

[@manuelcastaneda4989]

@RomGabe “For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision: but faith that worketh by charity.” (Galatians 5:6)

[@danielreyes6980]

@@RomGabeEphesians 2 is discussing initial justification. Please read Galatians to see where Paul describes “faith working through love”

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@MrKev1664]

@@RomGabe Christ be with you *you say* Wrong again. Where do you find that in Scripture? It is Sola Fide, Eph. 2:8-10 *response* Let me know if you want to mock God some more and I can provide more verses Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption; but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. And let us not grow weary in well-doing, for in due season we shall reap, if we do not lose heart. (Gal 6:7-9) Protestants qoute Eph 2:8-10 over and over because they do not know what faith is or how we are saved. Faith must up hold the Law (Rom 3:31) Those who keep the Law will be justified (Rom 2:13) What Ephesians is telling us is that it is Grace that saves us, God's forgiveness for our sin. Not that our faith doesn't have work but just the are not the reason we can enter heaven for with out Christ's sacrifice on the cross would never get in no matter how much we do, But he will give this gift of eternal life to those who obey him. Although he was a Son, he learned obedience through what he suffered; and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him, (Heb :5:8-9) or do you just not believe all scripture come to Christ

[@sethhansen3626]

As a Lutheran, that sounded like a pretty Lutheran answer. I'm not saying this to be inflammatory, I just really desire more unity and dialogue with our Catholic brothers and sisters. I love my Catholic brothers and sisters!!

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone did not gain Gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@kzizzles8329]

Another formula for salvation that I commonly hear taught in the Catholic Church is something like this: Initially justified by faith in Baptism, Saved by Grace, and Sanctified through Cooperation with the Spirit/Works

[@MrKev1664]

@@kzizzles8329 Christ be with you Yeah that one was started by St Paul. In Rom 6 he tells us in Baptism we die with Christ and rise with him to new life. Yet in this new life even under Grace we must reject sin, live in obedience to righteousness, become slaves to God so we may be sanctified. He taught all that good Catholic stuff. It’s the same formula I gave. Come to Christ

[@voxangeli9205]

Seth Hansen, if you love your Catholic brothers and sisters, then, come back home to the Church that Christ has founded, because there is no reason to protest anymore. Follow suit with the thousands of ex-Protestant pastors and ministers like this good gentleman, Dr Scott Hahn, who came home! Come home to Christ's Church now, Seth Hansen!!🤟

[@j.g.4942]

@@kzizzles8329 That's functionally the Lutheran view; just forgetting the perfect Union with Christ which is Glorification in the Resurrection. Do Catholics really teach this today? Or does 'justify' not mean it's usual 'conform to a standard'?

[@psallen5099]

Simple, you are saved by faith but faith without action is dead. Your faith is your actions and your actions are your faith.

[@Italy-fs6wg]

excellent observation!

[@fredarroyo7429]

James doesn’t distinguish between two different types of faiths . James says very simply to believers if you don’t have works then you are not saved.

[@LostbutnowFound]

@@fredarroyo7429Romans 4:5 kjv what’s this mean?

[@rijoab]

@@fredarroyo7429 Romans 4:2-5. For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the scripture say? “And Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to the one who works, his pay is not credited according to grace, but according to his due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but who believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited for righteousness,

[@Haemesh]

Biblically inaccurate. John 6:40 [40] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

[@lukebrown5395]

Dr Scott Hahn can explain anything and make it deeper.

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@judedcosta5178]

I think he could have explained it more simply without the theological baggage

[@danielrutigliano7938]

And yet Jesus made it so simple that a child can receive it( salvation). Thank you JESUS!!!

[@ondreyjames]

Put simply: We are saved by faith apart from works, however faith that saves is never alone.

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@ondreyjames]

@@MrKev1664 let me clarify, salvation is the result of grace received through faith apart from works, however faith that saves is never alone.

[@MrKev1664]

@@ondreyjames Christ be with you nope you are not addressing what faith is. our faith needs assurance, eternal life is our hope. Faith is never apart from works Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law. (rom 3:31) It is though faith in union to our good works that we will receive eternal life, Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption; but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. And let us not grow weary in well-doing, for in due season we shall reap, if we do not lose heart. (Gal 6:7-9) God bless you

[@ondreyjames]

@@MrKev1664 Let's not mince words and further divide His people. God wants our hearts. We give our hearts to Him through our faith which is demonstrated by our works. Salvation comes from the grace of God. I think we agree more than you think!

[@MrKev1664]

@@ondreyjames Christ be with you Yes, I think much of what you say is right. I do not think however you understand the role of works. While they do demonstrate our faith, the purpose is through them we love God and our fellow man. It is in the love that we produce through them that the Father and the Son abide in us. (John 14:20-24) It is when we have the Son we have eternal life for he is life (1 John 5:11-13) God bless you

[@heathervancalcar4446]

We're saved by Jesus... we speak through Prayer... We prove our Love through works.

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@mil-ns3rc]

Grace+Faith +Love = Works

[@LostbutnowFound]

@@mil-ns3rcRomans 4:5 kjv

[@mil-ns3rc]

@@LostbutnowFound as stated above GRACE + FAITH AND LOVE , can not have one without the other

[@andreasmandl9744]

Listening to Scott Hahn is like listening to one of the churchfathers!!!😇

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@hriata5384]

@@MrKev1664 amen .. 🙏🙏

[@randylneisen4824]

Future lay saint!

[@adim00lah]

The thing we often forget, is that we can cultivate faith. This is what prayer and meditation is meant for. And the product of my faith increasing, my interest and will power to do good works increases.

[@e.g.726]

My two favorite people in the whole while wold... I pray Dr. Hahn que come visit us again here in the Rio Grande Valley Texas

[@chrissexton4129]

Always looking for answers on this topic. As a Catholic at a Lutheran school, I am faced with the faith vs works question practically on the daily

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. (Heb 11:1) Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@fredymontoya1454]

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[@MrKev1664]

@@fredymontoya1454 Christ be with you What is this going to show me? God bless you

[@chrissexton4129]

@@fredymontoya1454 thank you that is a great video

[@fredarroyo7429]

@@MrKev1664 thank you this is a great reply

[@marcusmagnificus1984]

"If a soul does not exercise mercy somehow or other, it will not obtain My mercy on the day of judgment. Oh, if only souls knew how to gather eternal treasure for themselves, they would not be judged, for they would forestall My judgment with their mercy." - Our Lord Jesus to St. Faustina

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@theodorebe]

@@MrKev1664 What do you mean by "we are saved by faith that upholds the law"? Do you agree with Romans 13:10 that "love is the fulfillment of the law" and that loving the Lord your God is the implied manifestation of the faith that we have by grace that saves?

[@MrKev1664]

@@theodorebe Christ be with you *you say* What do you mean by "we are saved by faith that upholds the law"? *response* AFaith in which we keep Christ's Law *you say* Do you agree with Romans 13:10 that "love is the fulfillment of the law" and that loving the Lord your God is the implied manifestation of the faith that we have by grace that saves? *response* Yes, to be saved we are told we must have repented. The faith we must have to be saved is one where we commit to obedience to Christ teaching and commandments It is why we are not told we are saved the second we believe but in baptism (1 Peter 3:21) for we have obeyed God and only then may we rejoice (Acts 16:30-34) This is how we love God and therefore uphold the Law In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. He who has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me; and he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” (John 14:20-24) Jesus answered him, “If a man loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father’s who sent me. (John 14:23-24) God bless you

[@AnthonyBruns]

Thank you for this clarification. I’m a Protestant and I agree with Dr. Hann.

[@wordforever117]

Well you agree with the teaching of the Catholic Church then

[@Bibleguy89-uu3nr]

@@wordforever117 What he just said isn't the teaching of the Catholic Church. The Catechism says that anyone who suggests we're saved by faith apart from works is anathema.

[@wordforever117]

@@Bibleguy89-uu3nr Which Catechism says that?

[@Bibleguy89-uu3nr]

@@wordforever117 the Catholic catechism promulgated in 1992.

[@wordforever117]

@@Bibleguy89-uu3nr Oh right, have you read this yourself in the Catechism of the Catholic Church? Or are you going by what someone you trust has told you?

[@anycyclopedia]

As a Catholic, Faith alone is like sitting on a couch believing Jesus and doing nothing. Which is not what Jesus wanted us to do.

[@arulsammymankondar30]

By faith alone, but if you have faith it will show up works. If faith doesn't show up as works, it is dead. The issue is not ' either, or' and not ' both'. James nails this controversy in his Epistle, Chapter 2: 14- 25. Faith precedes works, and hence we are saved by Faith which is demonstrated in our works. There can be works without faith as most secular groups demonstrate. But this is not what the Lord wants.

[@lynnlabra9633]

Remember the thief hanging on the cross beside Jesus? He did not do good works but while hanging on the cross he put his faith on Jesus and on that moment he was saved without doing good works

[@anycyclopedia]

@@lynnlabra9633 Jesus can choose a single person to be saved on the Cross because he can't do anything on the Cross. That's how the last Sacrament of Catholics works.

[@chrisboutselis6645]

So what else is it then. The guy said “so you gotta have more good works than bad works by your time runs out” and the other dude said no? What other option is there.

[@lynnlabra9633]

@@anycyclopedia The moment you put your faith on Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit will dwell in you and on that moment you are saved already

[@chrisflosi5848]

Thanks!

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@mikeknipp9216]

It sounds like Dr. Hahn would disagree with the Council of Trent’s idea of justification. Praise God!

[@Consume_Crash]

How so?

[@bradbrown2168]

Well explained. As Christian not associated w Rome or Constantinople I appreciate the explanation.

[@MilesDei95]

In general while i am learing the faith a new i am learning that there is no one or another is both. we belive so we do and we belive becouse we do.

[@andrewdoesapologetics]

I'm sorry, but this seemed like a very protestant answer. How was his answer of being saved by Faith consistent with the Council of Trent?

[@t.d6379]

The council of trent repeatedly denied salvation by works.

[@dynamic9016]

Insightful.

[@leeveronie7850]

Dr Hahn makes it so complicated but accurate at an 18th grade level hahaha .... can be explained a lot easier i'm sure ... Thank You Matt and Dr Hahn

[@popsharrison5431]

Reread what Ludwig Ott said in Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma: the problem w the uncertainty of salvation: one can never know if they have fulfilled all the requirements for justification; whether you have actually done enough to cross the line and make it in!

[@Jonathan-iw5ic]

In Philippians 2:12 on the Catholic Truth Society bible it reads 'work for your salvation...'(Jerusalem translation). In all others it reads ' work out your salvation.....'. Can someone please explain why this is?

[@austromyrtus]

Faith is not some ephemeral head assent, but a preparedness to take action and risks in following Jesus. Hebrews chapter 11 gives us heaps of examples.

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

Faith is an adverb, it’s a principle of action. How can you say one is confident, if they have never done anything confidently? (And coincidentally, confidence comes from con-fide, or “with faith” in Latin.) Faith cannot exist without works because works is the context in which faith exists. It is like saying you are sustained by food apart from eating. Imagine someone says, “behold, we know that we cannot be sustained with our own power, for we are vicarious and rely wholly on the grace of nature to provide us with food. Let no man say he has survived by his own will, for will cannot provide a man a single calorie.” And then someone takes that obvious and clearly apparent passage to say that they can survive without eating, because the will to eat cannot increase the portion size of the food in front of him, and that the food alone is sufficient to sustain them. That is the exact opposite of what the passage was saying. By trying to follow the passage, you have ended up falling into the very pitfall described of trying to survive off their own will alone. And thus we arrive at another of the glorious paradoxes of the gospel. Just as he who will lose his life will find it, we see also that the only work that neither requires nor builds faith, is the dissonant work of blind faith itself.

[@LostbutnowFound]

Romans 4:5 kjv

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

​@@LostbutnowFound First things first, the work being referred to in Romans 4:5 is circumcision. The verse does not say that one cannot be justified by any kinds of works at all. In fact it actually says that the work of believing is counted for righteousness. When someone has faith and is faithful, it means that they have a consistent track record of working faithfully, acting with full confidence in their beliefs. Abraham had a long track record of works, wherein he continued to believe in God’s promise for his whole life despite the hardships he had to endure to continue believing, that long track record is illustrated in verses 17-21. And then the very next verse says that this long track record is the exact reason why his faith was counted counted to him as righteousness in verse 5. Meaning that if Abraham did not do the things in verses 17-21, and had instead despaired and begun to doubt God’s promise and turned away from God, then Abraham’s faith wouldn’t have been counted as righteousness, because he wouldn’t have done anything faithfully. Not to mention all the other times the Bible says Abraham is credited or justified by his works, like in James 2:21. I heavily suggest this video which goes very in-depth on Romans 4. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/fYqmnKhrhdKbeas

[@LostbutnowFound]

@@KnuttyEntertainment 😐

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

@@LostbutnowFound Hahaha, not sure what you’re trying to get across with this emoji, but if made me laugh, so good job there. Was there something you wanted to ask, point out, or discuss? I’ll gladly share my perspective.

[@sllabs6782]

I feel like the question is still unanswered? Someone help me out please!

[@JesusIsTheGoodSheppard]

Faith produces the good works.. it is just evidence of strong faith. A good tree cannot bare bad fruit, as a bad tree cannot bare good fruit. The wages of sin is death, and the only payment that is enough was Jesus’ death. We keep his commandments because we love him, and that is at the root of our FAITH.

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you St James tells us faith does not necessarily produce good works (James2:14-26) Jesus speaks opposite to you those who do good works love him (John 14:20-24) It is in this bond of love that we receive his gift of eternal life for he is life (1 John 5:11-13) God bless you

[@JesusIsTheGoodSheppard]

@@MrKev1664 your faith is Jesus Christ will absolutely guide you in all of your ways, including works. Because it’s HIM imitating himself.

[@MrKev1664]

@@JesusIsTheGoodSheppard Christ be with you I see you are one of those who like to invent your own doctrine rather than listen to what scripture tells us. It sounds like you have left Christianity behind Are you kidding with this? "it’s HIM imitating himself" Do you even know what faith in Jesus Christ is? see if you can define it. Come to Christ

[@isidro500]

If it was that, then the bible wouldnt say who wouldn’t inherit the kindom. If demons believe

[@isidro500]

@standtall

[@angusmcsnort5370]

This is an underrated clip

[@atobpe]

At 0:45, Scott Hahn implies that Martin Luther used the analogy that faith alone is like a dunghill covered with snow. I am unable to find where Martin Luther said such a thing. However, it is documented that Martin Luther (and other Reformers) said that we are saved by faith alone, but the faith that saves is never alone.” We should all be cautious to avoid strawmen arguments by using very dubious quotes of others. If you read the writings of the Reformed and the Westminster Confession of Faith, you will find that the concept of salvation by faith alone does not mean what a lot of evangelical claim today - i.e., you just have to believe but do not have to have good works or bear fruit. The Reformers taught that it was through faith alone that one enters into the Kingdom of God (or is saved), but genuine faith in Christ necessarily results in the believer doing good works and bearing good fruit. However, the works and the fruit do not contribute to the salvation of that person.

[@alexd4066]

Scott Hahn is the John Danaher of Catholicism

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@user-oz2ki8fr2y]

How many good works must I do to be saved please?

[@chrisbennett3290]

So are we initially justified by faith alone(working through love) or by baptism?

[@wenshan9101]

In 1999, a milestone aggreement was reached by the Catholic Church and the Lutheran World Federation. Paragraph 15 reads: 15. In faith we together hold the conviction that justification is the work of the triune God. The Father sent his Son into the world to save sinners. The foundation and presupposition of justification is the incarnation, death, and resurrection of Christ. Justification thus means that Christ himself is our righteousness, in which we share through the Holy Spirit in accord with the will of the Father. Together we confess: By grace alone, in faith in Christ’s saving work and not because of any merit on our part, we are accepted by God and receive the Holy Spirit, who renews our hearts while equipping and calling us to good works. Looks like except for Luther's oversimplication of the Doctrine of Justification (without downplaying intent) we have anathemised each other for reasons other than a fidelity to Christ. This is the strongest test we shall face moving towards a common communion.

[@LostbutnowFound]

Romans 4:5 kjv

[@wenshan9101]

@ansbnansn Read the entire chapter. Paul is not making a case for works in general, but specifically, works of the law. He gives the example of Abraham being justified 'uncircumcised'. Catholics do not refute this in initial justification. The question facing every christian is whether we are saved without sanctification through works of love, good works. Paul in 1 Cor 13:2, "And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing." James 2:22-24 substantiates: "You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by the works. Thus, the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called “the friend of God.” See how a person is justified by works and not by faith alone."

[@Levien-vt4tc]

faith isnt faith without good works! Good works doesn't save you but that are fruits of our faith! I hope you have that too!

[@jonyivre4541]

True Faith Produces Works.

[@LostbutnowFound]

Romans 4:5 kjv

[@jamesschloegel]

@pintswithaquinas Please have Fr John Riccardo on your show!

[@clivejames5058]

Luther got rid of the deuterocanonical books but he also wanted to get rid of others, but was over-ruled. Notably the Book of James (guess he was very afraid of 2.24) and the Book of Revelation (and where would the evangelicals be without that book?)

[@agathles]

I’m a Catholic but I don’t believe that my works will ever be able to save me. I put all my faith on God’s mercy! But at the same time I believe that if I choose to really follow Jesus I have to turn away from sin and strive to live like Jesus taught us.

[@LostbutnowFound]

Ur faith then isn’t in Jesus it’s in ur self righteousness.

[@nancybarry4150]

So very true! Faith alone is what Jesus told us would save us completely

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you Sorry, that is a lie He tells us that if we do not keep his teaching we will face judgement. He who rejects me and does not receive my sayings has a judge; the word that I have spoken will be his judge on the last day. (John 12:48) Come to Christ

[@MrKev1664]

@@electrical_cord Christ be with you *you say* You're just copy and pasting this everywhere. *response* Not what i have posted here. But what i have posted elsewhere it is important that people understand. Catholics cannot be sucked into this false doctrine of faith alone *you say* Sounds like Protestant talk, but even protestants agree we're saved by faith alone. *response* Faith alone is a protestant doctrine. The Church has said it is false CANON IX.-If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema. (Council of Trent) *you say* Bible literally says it! *response* Please don't make comments like this unless you have read the bible It doesn't it says the opposite. You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. (James 2:24) Come to Christ

[@handsomegiraffe]

​@@Joseph-nr3lb 1 Corinth. 13:13 tells us: 'And now there remain faith, hope, and charity, these three: but the greatest of these is charity.' How then can only faith save and justify, while being inferior to charity? The analogy given at the end of James 2, makes it clear, a body without the spirit is dead, that is, a dead body, likewise faith without works is dead, that is a dead faith. Not no faith; a dead faith, not no body; a dead body. Therefore, faith and charity are two distinct virtues that are required for salvation. '...if I should have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.' (1 Corinth. 13:2). The guy next to our Saviour on the cross had no possible way to do any good works other than the humility and repentance he showed at the moment of his death. This is the mercy of God, and why we should never despair, even at the hour of death. That verse is not addressing specifically how we should live as Christians.

[@Aries4uu]

@@Joseph-nr3lbthe man on the cross accepting Jesus is your query, right? Accepting Christ is in itself work. Because you don’t accept Christ by yourself conviction instead through the grace of the Holly spirit. As well you be a Sola scripture misconstrued the back story. The Jew at the time strongly believe in certain traditions: washing hands, and concision et Al this is where the argument stem from.

[@soldierboy_4349]

All you need to be saved is true faith, and true faith is never alone

[@LostbutnowFound]

Romans 4:5 kjv

[@andreeattieh2963]

​@@LostbutnowFoundKJV Bible changed many Bible verses to suit Protestant beliefs and removed 7 books from the Bible it's not scripture it's altered scripture

[@LostbutnowFound]

@@andreeattieh2963 😐

[@themanufan8]

Grace is the gas in the car, that is merited by our faith... We still have to put the foot on the gas and make sure we steer the car on the road to heaven.

[@zacharydunning6874]

Romans 3:28 says we’re saved by faith apart from works of the law it never says alone in it at all

[@RomGabe]

Sola Fide / Faith Alone is Scriptural and biblical and historical. Some Fathers on Sola Fide: "Similarly we also, who by His will have been called in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, or our own wisdom or understanding or godliness, nor by such deeds as we have done in holiness of heart, but by that faith through which Almighty God has justified all men since the beginning of time. Glory be to Him, forever and ever, Amen." - St. Clement of Rome (Letter to the Corinthians, par. 32) "Human beings can be saved from the ancient serpent in no other way than by believing in him who, when he was raised up from the earth on the tree of martyrdom in the likeness of sinful flesh, drew all things to himself and gave life to the dead." - Irenaeus (Against the Heresies, IV, 2, 7). "Indeed, this is the perfect and complete glorification of God, when one does not exult in his own righteousness, but recognizing oneself as lacking true righteousness to be justified by faith alone in Christ." - St. Basil the Great (Homily on Humility, PG 31.532; TFoTC vol. 9, p. 479) "They said that he who adhered to faith alone was cursed; but he, Paul, shows that he who adhered to faith alone is blessed." - St. John Chrysostom (First Corinthians, Homily 20, PG 61.164) "For you believe the faith; why then do you add other things, as if faith were not sufficient to justify? You make yourselves captive, and you subject yourself to the law." - St. John Chrysostom (Epistle to Titus, Homily 3, PG 62.651) "To declare His righteousness." What is declaring of righteousness? Like the declaring of His riches, not only for Him to be rich Himself, but also to make others rich, or of life, not only that He is Himself living, but also that He makes the dead to live; and of His power, not only that He is Himself powerful, but also that He makes the feeble powerful. So also is the declaring of His righteousness not only that He is Himself righteous, but that He doth also make them that are filled with the putrefying sores (katasapentaj) of sin suddenly righteous. And it is to explain this, viz. what is "declaring," that he has added, "That He might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus." Doubt not then: for it is not of works, but of faith: and shun not the righteousness of God, for it is a blessing in two ways; because it is easy, and also open to all men. And be not abashed and shamefaced. For if He Himself openly declareth (endeiknutai) Himself to do so, and He, so to say, findeth a delight and a pride therein, how comest thou to be dejected and to hide thy face at what thy Master glorieth in? - St. John Chrysostom (Homilies on Romans 3)

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@LostbutnowFound]

@@MrKev1664Romans 4:5 kjv I don’t think u know what it is

[@MrKev1664]

@@LostbutnowFound Christ be with you This is what protestants seem to do. they claim to be sola scriptura then ignore all the scripture they have been given and give a verse they gave taken out of Context. Romans 4 is a continuation of Romans 3 St Paul is tell us the because the Jews as the Gentiles worship the same God the Jews de not need to do more than the Gentiles. He is telling us that Jews do not need to perform the works of the Law like circumcision and animal sacrifice because we are all justified made right by the blood of Christ. The examples you will see in romans for of the works being performed are the circumcision of Abraham and the forgiveness of King David without animal sacrifice or death. He tells is Christ as paid the price for us. Yet he tells us that we have this faith in which we receive this Grace does not mean we above abolished the Law it means we must uphold it as I showed above. (rom 3:31) By quoting Rom 4 you seem to be suggesting we do not have to keep it. Yet St Paul has already told us that we must keep the Law to be justified (rom 2:13) He had told us it is those who do good will receive eternal life. (Rom 2:6-11) your understanding of Romans 2 come from reading proof texts not context. Come to Christ and Live

[@LM-wk6ty]

I'm catholic affected with scrupulosity. I'm not sure if i fully understand it and will be glad if someone can help me understand the answer. If we do not 'earn' salvation thought good deeds, why do we have confessions to repair 'actions' we have done wrong (sins)? is 'work' not needed then? is faith enough to go to heaven? Hope somebody can help with a simple explanation. God bless you.

[@johnskip2694]

Can't help u with that, i suggest you ask a priest.

[@j.g.4942]

Go to your priest. But I'll still add as a Lutheran, the Absolution is Christ's Word through the priest to you, listen to Him. If He says your sin/guilt is forgiven/removed from you then it is (His Word Works), you are free to no longer live contrary to Christ. Now one either has faith/trust in His Word and Work or not. Listen to 1 John 1 and hear, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." St John inspired by the Holy Spirit does not lie, we should not blasphemy the Holy Spirit by rejecting His Scripture and Absolution through the priest as lies. Those who trust Christ and the Holy Spirit at their Words of Absolution/Forgiveness have a new life free to not sin, and free to live in conformity in Christ. To put it crassly, those who trust Christ's Word are free to do truly good works; those who reject the Holy Spirit's Absolution through the priest are condemned to hell. Or more simply, go to your priest, go to Confession, go to the Most Holy Communion, and rely on God's mercy which He has promised you in Holy Baptism. Don't listen to the lies the devil shoots into your mind, call him out for the pathetic liar that devil is. (I have it on good authority that the 'evil spirit' can't abide 'bad wind') PS. Christ is the one who saves, don't look inside to your faith rather look to Christ's Most Holy Body and Blood which He has given you to receive tangibly in your mouth (something you cannot deny) and rely on His promise therein.

[@johnskip2694]

@@j.g.4942 Damn, thanks.

[@LM-wk6ty]

@@j.g.4942 thanks. I have regular confessions, sometimes more than usual due to my condition. I'm learning more and more what mercy is, which s not something that can be earned by our own lousy work but needs to be accepted as a gift from God by the sacrifice of Jesus. I guess through the doubts and struggle of scrupulosity, I'm deepening my own faith by reading and listening more, hungry of wisdom. Grace is given to us freely and the works is needed to grow ourselves in Christ.

[@theodorebe]

Scripture says Jesus paid the price once for all time, and there remains no additional sacrifice for sins. Baptism in itself does not save, especially if it only “saves” one from previous sins such that one has to continue to sacrifice something/someone every time one sins. Faith is enough. Ephesians tells us we are saved unto good works prepared beforehand. We are not saved only after good works. We are saved before good works occur. Romans says “having been justified, we have peace with God.”

[@ssur_yam9]

I think this is a misrepresentation of Lutheranism, from the formula of concord: But after man has been justified by faith, then a true living faith worketh by love, Gal. 5:6, so that thus good works always follow justifying faith, and are surely found with it, if it be true and living; for it never is alone, but always has with it love and hope. We are justified by faith alone, but true faith necessarily produces fruit. In that sense works are necessary, but they are not the source of justification.

[@AJTramberg]

As a protestant, I agree with much of this, except the part where it's implied this is a Catholic position. That is not the historic Catholic position. You are co-opting (perhaps this is a good thing, nonetheless) a form of evangelicalism (usually, but not always, a Calvinist form, ie. I am not a Calvinist). You would be hard pressed to find a Catholic on the street that would express this opinion. Here's the historic Catholic position I've always heard form Catholics: "Canon 24. If anyone says that justice received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely fruits and signs of justification obtained, not the cause of its increase, let him be anathema."

[@brendamyc3057]

Both!

[@chrisflosi5848]

May the good Lord continue to bless us! 🙏🏻✝️✌🏼

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@leoashura8086]

The prostitute was justified by her works and another verse it says Faith, the bible includes works that includes the will of the Father as Faith, being Faithful to God. Gods grace is what saves us, Faith is the justification. A Faith that follows the Will of God, not a Faith of believing in God or Jesus existence because even the Devil believes that

[@spencermarkham1]

My advice to the Sola fide crowd is read Christ’s parables of the Good Samaritan, Lazarus and the Rich man, the sheep and the goats. Also read what Christ had to say to the rich young ruler! Then tell me if Sola fide isn’t a heresy?

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@WC3isBetterThanReforged]

This question made me think of Ephesians 2:8 "For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God." There are three nouns in the first sentence salvation (saved), grace and faith yet the singular pronoun "it." Of the three nouns, which does "it" refer to? salvation, grace or faith? This is an honest question; I'm not trolling. I think grace is the free gift. Faith and works are our responses to grace resulting in salvation.

[@Chickenfoothomestead]

A faith without works is dead. Period.

[@ROMANS3-25KJV]

The book of James is not written to Christians in the church age.

[@icoreyr]

I’m even more confused. What makes you different from Calvinist on Faith Alone?

[@LostbutnowFound]

Watch Robert Breaker- why I’m not a Calvinist. Romans 4:5 kjv CLEARY shows faith alone.

[@andreeattieh2963]

​@@LostbutnowFoundfaith alone is not in the Bible

[@LostbutnowFound]

@@andreeattieh2963 😐

[@bratJacek]

This is heresy. "Besides faith, further acts of disposition mus be present" De fide. (Ludwig Ott)

[@jlouis4407]

This is what I was thinking

[@scp025]

Council of Trent, Canon 9 (1547): “If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema.” 0:24 -- I suppose these two men are anathema, then?

[@MrKev1664]

Chirst be with you yes God bless you

[@LostbutnowFound]

Romans 4:5 kjv

[@pollyscheller2720]

Both

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@starcityrc3298]

Good Works are simply a reflection of our faith in Christ Jesus. If your faith in Christ Jesus doesn't have a reflection of good works then your faith is dead. Do not focus on good works to be saved but rather focused on faith to be saved and your good works will become the reflection of that salvation.

[@MrKev1664]

MrKev1664 1 second ago Christ be with you St James tells us faith does not necessarily produce good works (James2:14-26) Jesus speaks opposite to you those who do good works love him (John 14:20-24) It is in this bond of love that we receive his gift of eternal life for he is life (1 John 5:11-13) God bless you

[@pollyscheller2720]

Everything is grace

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@tankthomus]

We are saved by faith but how does one know their faith is genuine? Through works. Faith without works is dead because if you genuinely believed that God died for your sins then you would act like it. You would follow God’s commands (imperfectly, but trying) out of your reverence of him. Works are a symptom of true faith without works your faith is dead. These are my thoughts on salvation, would you guys say it’s biblically grounded or am I missing the mark?

[@PeterJohn-hl3ox]

Hahn is just brilliant - what a wonder gift to the Church he is.

[@runcandy3]

I appreciate that he just affirmed an acceptable doctrine of salvation. Now if only the Pope would repent to the Orthodox church for dividing with them, we could all stop protesting.

[@TOPGEUN]

"Saved by the faith alone" is worse than indulgence.

[@yeeta6818]

here are some verses to prove that faith alone saves, NOT WORKS Ephesians‬ ‭2‬:‭8‬-‭9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.” Romans 4:1-5 “What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” John 6:40 “And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.” John 6:47 “Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” John 6:29 “Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” John 3:14-17 “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:18 “He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John 3:36 “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” ‭ ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2‬:‭16‬ “knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.” Galatians‬ ‭2‬:‭21‬ “I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”

[@wolfwatchers]

Titus3:5 He saved us, not by the righteous deeds we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. Philippians 3:9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith. Romans1:17 For the gospel reveals the righteousness of God that comes by faith from start to finish, just as it is written: “ The righteous will live by faith.” Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, Romans 4:6 And David speaks likewise of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him… Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Romans8:1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus Romans 8:39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. John3:15-17 that everyone who believes in Him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.… John6:47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. colossians1:20 and through Him to reconcile to Himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through the blood of His cross. psalm103:10 He has not dealt with us according to our sins or repaid us according to our iniquities. psalm 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, So far has He removed our transgressions from us. 2 corrin 5:19 For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation.

[@andreeattieh2963]

None of this says faith alone saves

[@christophersnedeker]

We're saved by Jesus Christ.

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you Yes, this is stupid! We are not saved by faith or works but Jesus Christ's forgiveness of our sin, His Grace. Faith in Jesus Christ is trusting the Son of God to keep his promises particularly to give the gift of eternal life, through the forgiveness of our sins, made possible by his death burial and resurrection to those who repent and obey him. It is a dead faith that will no save if it does not have works God bless you

[@LostbutnowFound]

@@MrKev1664u contradicted urself ☀️🦇

[@MrKev1664]

@@LostbutnowFound Christ be with you Where did I contradict myself? you show me and I will show you where the scripture proves what I said is true Come to Christ and Live

[@LostbutnowFound]

@@MrKev1664 U said ur not saved by works then proceeded to say ur saved by obeying. Robert Breaker- how to be saved

[@MrKev1664]

​@@LostbutnowFound Christ be with you I have never claimed we are saved by them It is Jesus Christ forgiveness for our sin but he will give eternal life to those who obey him Although he was a Son, he learned obedience through what he suffered; *and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him,* being designated by God a high priest after the order of Melchiz′edek. (Heb 5:8-10) He will save those who keep his Law, walk in the Spirit and do good works Do not be deceived; *God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.* For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption; *but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.* *And let us not grow weary in well-doing, for in due season we shall reap, if we do not lose heart.* Because we are sinners, we cannot be saced without the forgiveness of Christ, but we must repent and obey him. there is no contradiction in that. I suggest you read the bible. How are you getting on with my response to your Rom 4 comment. Come to Christ and Live

[@AndrewKendall71]

The core gigantic problem with works being part of soteriology is - scales or not - there is no orthodox Christian answer to how many and how much and what kind are needed in order to ensure justification has happened. This human instinct to misunderstand the meaning of works in the NT leads to the scales of Islam or the karma of Buddhism. The scandal of grace is that the true God's true salvation requires no such measurement, whatever good works may be defined as.

[@vjiggy81]

I as a catholic was shocked too hear him say this. The bible is pretty blatant about salvation threw works.

[@t.d6379]

You've misunderstood.

[@LostbutnowFound]

Romans 4:5 kjv. I’m shocked u think u know the Bible and u don’t not even know a little otherwise u wouldn’t b Catholic.

[@vjiggy81]

@@LostbutnowFound 🤔 the bible was written and composed by catholics. But according too you, after reading it. One should become anything but catholic? You making sense here or, nah?

[@LostbutnowFound]

@@vjiggy81 😂sure it was

[@vjiggy81]

@@LostbutnowFound 😂😂😂whats funnier is youll tell people that it was written by martin luther. 😂😂😂 the great 👍🏽 heretic! 😂😂 and then youll actually believe it as your saying it 😂😂😂😂

[@Christine-vt5fi]

We're saved by grace through faith and now do the good works we were made for as opposed to following the old thoughts and desires of the flesh.

[@PatientPerspective]

You're saved by works because your works will determine where you go after you die not your faith. Works is still required regardless how one interprets it.

[@Christine-vt5fi]

@PatientPerspective We are saved by grace so no one can boast of their salvation. However we were saved to do good works. This is all in Ephesians.

[@andreeattieh2963]

​@@Christine-vt5fiEphesians 2 89 doesn't say faith alone also read verse ten

[@Christine-vt5fi]

@andreeattieh2963 "Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done." Ephesians 2:9 Meaning we can't earn Salvation, it is because of what Jesus did, not by us being good." However, after you are saved you must do what we were created for which is good works.

[@PatientPerspective]

@@Christine-vt5fi If I may? All of Romans 2 discuss salvation based on our works/deeds via obedience. Revelations 20:11 as well. There's another verse in Revelation I posted somewhere that says that your "works that saves" is the works of grace and obedience "not" of debt (Christ solved thus issue). In other words, the works that save you are NOT of earning your sacrifice. The works that save are from obeying his commands. Reference Romans 2. - Not meant for discussion (unless you'd like?) I just thought these and other verses are very clearcut that works (not works to pay off debt) are important to your salvation.

[@candyclews4047]

The Gospel tells us that those who believe and trust in Christ's redemptive work on the cross are indeed saved by grace (1 Cor 15: 1-4) and are thus Justified (saved). This is swiftly followed by Sanctification whereby the Holy Spirit dwells within us, guiding our daily walk with Christ for the rest of our lives and yes, we will stumble but God never forsakes us, we are never 'de-justified'. Works are the fruit of our faith (Eph 2:10) never the meritorious basis of our salvation. It is an incredible free gift and one that God wants us to know we can be assured of (1 John 5:13; 1 Thess 1:5; Ephesians 1: 12-13). Finally, after we die, we will receive our Glorified bodies in heaven, as God promised.

[@Ben-pk4cv]

It seems like the misunderstanding is that Catholics believe their good works are outside of the law and non-catholics believe their good works are not outside of the law. The law includes loving God and loving your neighbor so I don't see how any good work is outside of the law when the law is to love. I am either loving or not loving in the things I do. For that reason all the typical scriptures non-Catholics use do indeed apply to no good works required for salvation. Only belief (faith) as we see so many times in the Bible, especially in the Gospel of John. Grace is apart from works (Romans) and faith is apart from works (Ephesians). Abraham was justified by faith apart from works (apart from doing anything). Our doings only demonstrate we have faith and aren't belief itself. For example, I wouldn't jump out of an airplane to sky dive if I didn't have faith first in the equipment and in the crew before I jumped. I'm really honestly looking for what the underlying misunderstanding is. Why is it Catholics and Non-Catholics see this faith and works issue differently.

[@p.doetsch6209]

Works are made good by the merits of Christ, our Lord, so that the works of men may become acceptable to the eternal Father. But those who neglect good works and rely soley on faith can by no means expect to apply to themselves the good works of Christ; for they have in themselves nothing that can be perfected by the works of Christ, but only such things as deserve condemnation.

[@MrMurfle]

All this faith and works talk clouds the issue. You're saved by being known by Jesus as a servant-friend of His. You're a servant-friend if your heart intent is to do what he says, to live in a manner akin to the way He lived, and to actively aspire to attain to His character. Of course, you have to cash that out according to the biblical data, keeping in mind He said you must live on EVERY WORD of God (not just the red letters, though that will get you pretty far). I doubt pleading ignorance will cut it when you haven't even sincerely tried to learn what that entails, internalize it and instantiate it (at least, I'd say, as assiduously as you pursue your secular work, hobbies, recreations, etc.). I'm not saying it's easy, but it's necessary if you want to enter into eternal life. And the cool thing is it brings joy and contentment such that you needn't be concerned with trying to suss out all these theological fine points. The sad part though, based on my observation, is that it appears very few really are finding the narrow path to the Kingdom.

[@NewNostalgia]

I love to see these episodes when two men who have studied philosophy converse. NOW! How many ounces does the black beer mug you sell hold? Please start to mention this when promoting the black mug with you show name on side.

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@martenasmith]

When the carnal fleshy mind cannot understand something, it then makes things up to satisfy its desire for understanding. This is what is happening here, because the speaker does not understand what Faith and Works really is. In fact, most of the church system does not understand Faith and Works. I cannot wait for God to start teaching them. Faith means to “Hear the voice of God.” The examples given in Hebrews chapter 11 are all examples of a person hearing God speak to them, 19 examples to be exact. The number 19 in scripture means “Faith”. An example would be in Hebrews 11:17, when scripture tells us that Abraham offered up his son Isaac by Faith. This is because Abraham heard God tell him to do so. The book of James is about being “Obedient”. The same example of Abraham is given in James 2:21, but now scripture is showing how Abraham was justified by “Works”. Works means “to obey God”. If God tells you to do something, and you do it, then you are doing your “Works”, you are being obedient. Hebrews 11 is all about hearing, James 2 is all about obeying, both must go hand in hand. In order to be obedient one must first Hear, so what we are seeing is that Abraham first Heard God tell him to sacrifice his son, and then in James we see how Abraham obeyed God thus perfecting his Faith. We must first have Faith before we can have Works. But in order to perfect our hearing we must obey, for if we do not obey, then our hearing is dead. But if we obey, then we are justified in the eyes of God. James 1:22 says “But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves”. Most today cannot hear God. Why? Because it was prophesied in scripture that we would not be able to hear God, for Amos 8:11 says “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:” Jesus was our example, for He was obedient unto death. Much of Paul’s writings are about hearing God and it is assumed that you are also being obedient, because Faith is not Faith unless Obedience is involved. This is the New Covenant law, the Law of Faith (Romans 3:27). If you hear God and obey Him, then you are following the law of God and this is how righteousness is imputed towards you. Most cases where the scriptures use the word “Believe”, the word should actually be translated as Faith. Because of the mistranslations into English this whole point in scripture has not been understood. If God speaks to someone and gives them revelation through the spirit, only then is scripture translated in its proper form. Most today do not have Faith, they have a belief. But a time is coming in which all will have Faith. Blessings

[@saints51]

In addition to James, Paul himself, the parable of the sheep and the goats, there is Matthew 16:27: "For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done." In view of all the above, it smacks of bad faith for Protestants to try to say that James's "NOT by faith alone" is compatible with its opposite, "by faith alone." The more I read, the more I'm convinced that Protestants try to out-Jesuit the Jesuits' Jesuitry.

[@lawrence1318]

If you know the Lord, you're saved. It's that simple.

[@twixintv137]

As Jesus says, how can mountains be moved ??? By faith and works??? Or by FAITH ALONE ??? 😅

[@twixintv137]

@@alfredynda2488 So you moved MOUNTAINS BY WORKS??? 🤣 JESUS SAID IT CAN ONLY BE MOVED BY FAITH!

[@twixintv137]

@@alfredynda2488 SO AS SALVATION, IT CAN ONLY BE YOURS THROUGH FAITH! BECAUSE FAITH WORKS

[@BibleBasicsForSalvation]

My children don’t have to work to receive their inheritance, but they do have to be my children. If we aren’t obeying God’s commandments, we aren’t his children!

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you exactly right By this it may be seen who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not do right is not of God, nor he who does not love his brother. (1 John 3:10) God bless you

[@17cmmittlererminenwerfer81]

Just read James 2:22. One and done.

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@LostbutnowFound]

😂read ur whole Bible bud. Romans 4:5 kjv

[@andreeattieh2963]

​@@LostbutnowFoundthe Catholic church made the Bible

[@LostbutnowFound]

@@andreeattieh2963 thank you for the laugh I needed it

[@andreeattieh2963]

@@LostbutnowFound the Bible didn't just fall out of the sky you know it was made by the Catholic church

[@annakimborahpa]

1. "And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all FAITH so as to move mountains but do not have LOVE ('AGAPE' in Greek), I am nothing. [1 CORINTHIANS 13:2] Isn't St. Paul making a distinction in this verse between FAITH and LOVE ('AGAPE')? 2. Isn't the salvation of the human race modeled on the Holy Trinity? God freely gives (A) His GRACE [a free gift] that is responded to by (B) FAITH in Him and the One He has sent, that is subsequently fulfilled in (C) 'AGAPE', which is the reciprocal love of man for God that manifests itself in (1) prayer and (2) in the love of one's neighbor? 3. (A) GRACE corresponds to the monarchy of The Father who is without origin and the source of all divinity in the One God; (B) FAITH corresponds to The Son who proceeds from The Father, since it is the revelation of God's Incarnate Son that is the object of belief; and (C) 'AGAPE' corresponds to The Holy Spirit who Pope (Saint) Paul VI taught, in his Motu Proprio of June 30, 1968, The Credo of the People of God, is "the uncreated Person who proceeds from the Father and the Son as their eternal love." [newadvent online, library, docs_pa06cr.htm] 4. Therefore, wouldn't we be saved by (A) GRACE, (B) FAITH and (C) 'AGAPE'? 5. 'When the Pharisees heard that He [Jesus] had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together, and one of them [a scholar of the law] tested Him by asking, “Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?” He said to him, “You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment. The second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments.”' [Gospel of Matthew 22:34-40]

[@user-xv5sk6wi4w]

We do the works of Jesus because of our faith.

[@gedat5538]

Faith that is 'faithful' (i.e. with works) saves. Faith without works (i.e. faithfulness) is DEAD.

[@_jillkay]

So then Catholics DO have assurance of salvation? If I’m Catholic, can I believe this from the Bible?: “”If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.“ ‭‭Romans‬ ‭10‬:‭9‬

[@christiandpaul2022]

. When it is written in scripture that works can not save you Paul is talking about the MOSAIC LAW. If you reject Jesus and keep the works of the law you can not be saved. This is absolutely True. But, in many areas of scripture it is clear that works are vital to your being saved. 'be gone from me I don't know you '(talking about the works of Mercy) ring a bell and other scripture that tells us faith without (good) works is dead. Jesus sacrifice and resurrections because He lived a Pure and Sinless life (which proves we can also but don't. Jesus never sinned even with all they threw at Him) OPENED the Gates of heaven to us but we must labor too keep our salvation. YOU MUST confess your sins that you do or fail to do to regain forgiveness.

[@jlouis4407]

Exactly, Paul speaking in Galatians about the works of the law is talking about the ceremonial law of the Mosaic Law this is what so many Protestants get wrong

[@jonahhuckel4838]

I think you Catholics misunderstand protestants, Luther especially, on what we mean by faith alone. Luther constantly emphasised that saving faith by its very nature, creates good works. We do not define faith is simply belief, it is a trusting in God's promises and acting on that trust. When James says 'faith without works is dead' he means that true faith is always followed by works, and if there are no works, there is no faith.

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ

[@shotinthedark90]

Is that why Luther hated the book of James?

[@handsomegiraffe]

That is not accurate to the analogy given by St. James. The verse is: 'For even as the body without the spirit is dead: so also faith without works is dead.' (James, c. 2,). The body still exists, it is just dead (Rheims New Testament, James, c. 2, Annot. 1582 AD.). Likewise, faith can exist without works, it's just dead (c. 2). But it is a great difference, to say faith without works is dead, and to say faith without works is no faith. (c. 2). This is the error of Luther. The Catholic faith is as defined by Hebrews 11 and must be made alive by charity to save (c. 2). Faith does not make works/charity alive; charity make faith alive, and thus is perfectly in line with St. James (c.2).

[@theodorebe]

@@handsomegiraffe You have the verse right but the analogy/application wrong. I'd say you need to reverse the analogy in order to apply it like that. Of course "faith without works is dead", but the analogy would be *works without faith is dead* because it is the Spirit that livens the body (otherwise the physical body is a dead body), and it is the Faith that livens the work (otherwise the physical work is dead work). Faith works through love (Galatians 5:6). Faith is the subject, the source of life. Love/charity/etc is the natural/supernatural expression/manifestation/fruition of genuine Faith. Likewise, with a tree, if there is no eventual fruit, the tree is dead. The fruit of the tree is love/works/charity. The life of the tree is Faith.

[@handsomegiraffe]

@@theodorebe No, you have the analogy wrong. In the analogy, body is analogous to faith and spirit to works. This is plain in the text. The spirit cannot die because the spirit is immortal, so it must be the body. Faith without works is a dead faith, not a dead works. I don't know how you can misunderstand this unless you are beholden to a theory or a specific interpretation.

[@handsomegiraffe]

I'm pretty sure Dr. Scott Hahn understands the basics of how salvation works in Catholicism however, he comes across as very Protestant and not very Catholic in this clip. James 2:26 states: 'For even as the body without the spirit is dead: so also faith without works is dead.' A body without a spirit is dead, the body still exists without the spirit, it is just dead. To be consistent with St. James' analogy we must accept that faith can exist without works, however it is dead. The Catholic faith is as defined by Hebrews 11:1 and must be made alive by charity to save (Rheims New Testament, James, c. 2, Annot., 1582 AD).

[@danielcere2557]

John 3.16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE. John 6.47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that BELIEVETH on me HATH EVERLASTING LIFE. Ephesians 2.8 For by GRACE are ye saved through FAITH and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God: 9 NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.

[@geneticsmatter3834]

I am curious why so many in this community think I am a bad person for prioritizing my rayce over other rayces. Where does the bible say that is wrong? Please don't use Galatians 3:28, that is not what that verse means. Just as me putting my own family first does not necessitate hatred of other families, me putting my own rayce first does not necessitate the hatred of other rayces. This community will LOSE if it keeps trying to be "the real anti-rayciss".

[@PatientPerspective]

Salvation is dependent on what you do. Whether you want to believe you are saved by obeying god first that which produces faith or obeying god after you have faith. Without works, there is no eternal life. 2 Corinthians 5:10; (NKJV); Revelation 20:12. Not just in James. You are literally not saved without works. James 2:18 18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith BY my works. Not the other way around. (i.e. Works by faith)

[@jlouis4407]

So many people think that it’s taught that people are saved with works apart from faith which is a straw man literally no Christian that I know of believes that

[@PatientPerspective]

@@jlouis4407 Yes. It's supposed to be works and faith rather than works from faith in regards to salvation. If it were the latter, we would be judged by our faith. I never did get an answer from those who believe works come from faith: Are they saved if they did not do what god wanted them to do? Which is different than saying you saved because of what you want to do for god.

[@Mike-no6ii]

I think when the Bible talks about, we are not saved by works. Meaning if you do something good and help other people but you still have sin in your heart and you still live in sin. Then you are not saved by those works. We are saved by faith and following Jesus's teachings. Jesus said in John 15:10 "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in His love." KJV. Which requires faith and some type of works.

[@LostbutnowFound]

Romans 4:5 kjv. Ur not saved by faith then u would b saved me ur own righteousness. Ur trusting in urself not on Jesus blood that he shed. Romans 5:9 kjv

[@Mike-no6ii]

@@LostbutnowFound I'm not trusting in myself. I'm trusting in Jesus teachings and we are saved by Jesus blood from sin. Are you calling Jesus wrong? Because Jesus said plenty of times to repent of your sins Mark 1:15, Matthew 4:17, John 15:10, Luke 24:47. It also says to repent in Acts 2:38, Acts 3:19, Acts 17:30, Acts 20:21, Acts 26:20. I'm sure there is more verses on repentance. That means to turn away from your sins. Jesus blood saved us from sin. We just have to believe, ask for forgiveness for our sins and turn away from our sins. which is called repentance. If Jesus never wanted us to repent, then Jesus would of never mentioned it. Jesus didn't die on the cross so we can live in sin. Jesus died for us so we can be free from sin. Jesus died for our sins. So we can ask for forgiveness from Jesus and turn away from our sins. Through Jesus Christ our sins are forgiven. I do trust in Jesus blood that's what saves me from sin.

[@LostbutnowFound]

@@Mike-no6ii Got it👍.Jesus is 50% ur savior and ur the other half. Just 1 question who are u?

[@Mike-no6ii]

@@LostbutnowFound Who am I? I'm a Christian and Jesus is 100% my savior.

[@LostbutnowFound]

@@Mike-no6ii u said to be saved YOU! Need to ask forgiveness. YOU need to turn from sin. He’s not ur savior YOU ARE. Again who are u?

[@Roronoa_Zoro_Official]

James was talking to the 12 tribes

[@jlouis4407]

We don’t know who are all in the 12 tribes 10 were lost long before James’s time

[@jzak5723]

Jewish Christians, not Jews

[@philipbuckley759]

salvation, by faith, evidenced, by works....or action....not works, of the law....

[@healhands5760]

Faith is NOT a checkbox like "yeah I believe in Jesus." Remember, if you love Him you OBEY His commandments and gospels. So it is an "active faith." Also remember the parable of a rich young man? asking how to go to Heaven? then Jesus enumerated most of the Commandments? So it is not a check box that by believing you are saved. 👍

[@privatepilot4064]

Read James 1:1. That explains who James is writing to. Hebrews. The 12 tribes of Israel who will be going through the Tribulation were they will have to work for their salvation. Because we know that Romans 10:12 says, “For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.” So why would James make a distinction? James is not writing to Church Age Christians. How do we know this? Because of Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the GIFT of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” This is what Timothy means in 2 Timothy 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, RIGHTLY dividing the word of truth.”

[@user-xj1le2gv4f]

Please read the context of James for yourself, James is talking about the distinction of true and false faith and the justification before men not God. Paul clearly taught the doctrine of justification by faith alone without works. Read romans 3-5 and Ephesians 2. Don't take my word for it, go take a look for yourself. May the Lord have mercy upon us

[@jlouis4407]

No men were present when Abraham went to sacrifice Isaac on the mount

[@user-sd8vy1yb4r]

the n.t. says at least 5 times that salvation is by faith alone, not works. it says that faith without works is dead, and this means real good works are the result of salvation, not the cause of it. the roman catholic divisions of sins is not established in the bible. all sin is forgivable, except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

[@WC3isBetterThanReforged]

actually the division of sin (i'm assuming you mean mortal vs. venial), is in the N.T. 1 John 5 says there is sin that leads to death (mortal) and sin that does not (venial). However, 1 John does not say which sin falls in which category. The Church defines mortal sin by three things 1) Grave matter (think Galatians 5 or a violation of the 10 commandments) 2) knowledge that the sin meets condition 1 and 3) meets condition 1 and 2 and is done with full consent of the will.

[@stevmedina911]

You will not find the word trinity in the Bible. That is a man-made idea of religion. I am not saved by man, but saved through the plan of salvation outlined in Acts 2:38. I think it’s important if we are going to plan our salvation by the Bible, not to listen to ideas that are outside of the Bible.

[@zuffin1864]

why does the catechism say what it does about the pope when there should be no one between us and our Lord

[@Collin_Brooks]

This is an unhelpful clip. His answer just boils down to “we are saved and justified by faith but not as Luther meant it.” That’s not really an answer.

[@contramordor]

Which falsely assumes that Luther would deny that works flow out of faith and that a faith that produces no works is not salvific. I don't understand why catholics so often attribute modern libertinism to classical protestantism.

[@PatientPerspective]

Okay. I can comfortably say you are saved by what you do for christ in faith and obedience not out of debt and sacrifice. There are SO many scriptures on this both clear-cut and contextual. Interesting.

[@JCOwens-zq6fd]

Both &, not either or

[@MrKev1664]

Christ be with you I am sorry I don't think people know what faith is. Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Abel's hope was to be approved by God and so he provides God with a sacrifice of his best, his first fruits. This assured he would gain approval. (Heb 11:4) Faith alone gain gods approval. Enoch's hope was to please God, so he made a testimony of his life that assured this. (Heb 11:5) Faith alone would not have pleased God Noah's hope was his family would survive the flood God told him would come, so he obeyed God and built the Ark. (Heb 11:7) Faith alone would not have saved Noah's family. Abraham's hope was to receive the inheritance promised by God, so he went out into the world (Heb 11:8) Our Hope is that we will receive eternal life and we do that by living according to the teaching and commandments of Jesus Christ. Please read the bible Jesus links so much our eternal life, not least which is eating his flesh and drinking his blood (John 6:53-57) But it also includes simple works like helping the poor the sick the stranger and the imprisoned. (Matt 25:31-46) We are not saved by Faith; we are saved by Grace. We are not justified by Faith alone but a faith the upholds God Law (Rom 3:31) For it is those who keep the law who will be justified. (Rom 2:13) Faith alone will save no one. I am surprised to hear this false teaching coming from a Catholic let alone a Scott Hann. What is going on. Come to Christ