Is This ACTUALLY An Upgrade? - Logitech G Pro X Superlight vs G Pro X Superlight 2

[@ThomasMuehler]

LOTS OF UPDATES BELOW: For the record I bought a Pink Version because I was able to get it for $124 and returned my black version for $170. That is the ONLY reason why I got two. Both have wild variance. - Side buttons are the same. - Weight balancing feels different. With the Pink feeling less balanced. - Scroll wheel on black version is very light, with less defined steps, and mushy middle click. Pink is moderate pressure, solid steps, and great middle click. -Primary Clicks are wildly different. Black is very light and crisp. Pink is heavy and ultra crisp. Harder to spam. Which is likely why you get a lot of people saying different things about the clicks. Both are true but lottery dependent. - PTFE was very scratchy on Pink but after breaking in is much improved. But still not good compared to the rest of the competition. Also, according to BeardedBob the internal differences are as followed (kzbin.info/www/bejne/bIrGiJJ9naaFeKMsi=3T6Y2c-dqPPm5zW-): SAME: - Split skates and thickness. But different shape. - Screw positions. - Powerplay - On/off switch - Side button layout - Primary clicks but thinner 3.18 vs 3.24 grams - Scroll wheel and TTC Encoder - Outer shell (outside of USB/support bracket) but lighter 12.50 grams to 12.74 grams. - Same omron side switches. DIFFERENT: - 290 milliamp compared to 240 milliamp - Ribbon cable for battery - Wider connector - PCB (5.74 grams vs 5.36 grams) - MCU new JC121522 vs old S2833 - Base with different rivets/holes/design (7.89 grams vs 8.22 grams) - Top internal base rivets/holes/design - Switches - D2FP-FH1 (Logi) UPDATES AFTER A FEW WEEKS: 1. Clicks have loosened up even more. To the point I'd say they are equal with my OG Superlight in actuation pressure. But otherwise what I said in the review. 2. Sensor continues to feel better and better the more I use it. Still not up to the Focus+/Focus Pro. But the old GPX has been off my desk for a long time because it felt poo-poo to use. This will continue to be on my desk for some time. As the bump in performance is noticeable enough where the reasons why I didn't like the GPX (floaty feeling) cease to exists. 3. Battery life is insane. 4. PTFE feet broke in after 2 - 3 weeks. Which is insane how long that took. Where they went from incredibly scratchy to quite smooth and delightful. Who knows how long that will last though. 5. In general, this mouse almost seems to keep improving the longer I use it. Which seldom happens. And it has grown on me and I am really enjoying it and reach for it often. But still think the V2 Pro, DAV3, Viper Mini SE are better performance wise. But think the GPX 2 feels better in the hand from a build quality standpoint.

[@PrefoX]

I really liked the video and you but the god bless at the end ruined everything... you know normal people don't need imaginary friends... its pretty offensive

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@PrefoX I'm glad you enjoyed the video. I'm sorry that my imaginary friend offends you. However, whether you believe in Him or not, He still believes in you and wants the very best for you. I'll be praying for blessings for you. Have a great rest of your day/week.

[@ruanth]

Thank you for being a blessing, and thank you for the free video on the internet. God Bless@@ThomasMuehler

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@ruanth Appreciate the kind words and support! God bless you as well!

[@xxbonecrusher7166]

@@ThomasMuehlerfirst off i love your video first time watcher and thank you for the blessings

[@zanaros2606]

The 1 gram difference in the G PRO superlight 2 has made me a global elite in CS2! Thanks Logitech!

[@ThomasMuehler]

Lmao. I knew it! That's the magic sauce.

[@TheBorkka]

I think its totally worth the upgrade if you get annoyed by the double click problem which I experienced alot when I try to single tap in counter-strike. That thing alone is worth the upgrade. But I also had a problem with the scroll that it sometimes scrolled up when i scrolled down. Also the battery life is alot better and I play at 1000 hz since I notice no difference at 2k. So yeah, its all win, except maybe the click sound which was a bit better on the first mouse.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Appreciate the great rundown! I am not a fan of the scroll wheel. I'd agree with everything else. I've been getting a good amount of "worth the upgrade" for USB-C or Optical Switches.

[@Sdawinpiwa]

i cant tell if your being serious or not lmao

[@Sdawinpiwa]

nvm i just found out hz is different between mice and monitors

[@Forevertapped9]

@@Sdawinpiwa😂😂😂 thought the same 2 years ago

[@jadenbruscato3973]

A year later, thank you for the video! I play a lot of Counter-Strike, and getting a double click issue (which I never thought too long about) can throw off the aim enough to miss a kill, lose a round and thus lose the game, so I'm going with the Superlight 2.

[@fxtch]

Quality video with valuable information - really appreciate your channel & humour. Thanks Thomas!! 👏👏

[@ThomasMuehler]

Appreciate the kind words and support!

[@deanz_]

The Superlight 2 doesn't look much different, but for me, it fixed EVERYTHING I didn't like about the first Superlight. I was a little disappointed with the Superlight because of how game-changing the original G Pro Wireless was. I feel like Superlight 2 is what the Superlight should have been. Overall, I'd say it's worth it if you can afford it.

[@ThomasMuehler]

It definitely improved on some of the aspects of the older one. And I agree, this would have been a great OG Superlight and would have been absolutely crazy back then.

[@spudbencer7179]

Overall I would say all these fucking comments are robots.

[@will-vo6bg]

i bought the superlight 2 and althought similar it is very good @@ThomasMuehler

[@DJaquithFL]

I love the GPX Superlight in particular it's shape .. so why would Logitech want to change it? You do know Logitech makes other mice. This is just an updated version and everyone who owns a GPX knows it already. I have multiple copies (V1s) that are all heavily modded including hot swappable PCBs. The micro USB is the very least of my concerns, I have an adapter that goes from micro to C and it takes a couple seconds to swap. The new optical switches break in after 1 to 2 weeks so maybe you might want to use it... However, my preferred encoder is the TTC Gold encoder .. so I'll have to desolder that and replace it once I get my copy from Colorware. I'd love to see a carbon fiber V3 of this mouse and I'm certain I would buy it as well, and I still would prefer that they leave the shape alone. I feel the exact same way about my Razer DeathAdder V1-V2 to now the WTF is V3 shape where I thought Razer had completely lost their minds! If you want a different shape then call it something different.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Apologies if it came across as me expecting/wanting Logitech to change the shape. I don’t and even said I’m glad that they stuck with the same legendary shape. I don’t think I’m alone in the expectation of wanting more out of Logitech and their refresh of the most popular mouse on the planet. Especially, since these updates could have just been done without adding a 2. I would argue that most people will be upgrading solely for the USB-C port and are not wanting to use an adapter. But that is a solid solution and I’ll need to pick one up for my other legacy devices. I also think that most people don’t want to mod their mouse or spend more money on a product that already costs $159. As I think you go more hardcore than most. Which isn’t me calling you out as I’m often in the same boat. Lol. While the clicks have gotten lighter, everything else I said about them is the same. And up to that point I had used them a crazy amount. With the interest in different materials, I think they would make bank doing that. Such as having a limited-edition magnesium alloy and carbon fiber one. But based on Logitech’s recent track record I don’t see them doing something so out of the box. But would love to be proved wrong about that. I get where you are coming from about if it is a different shape then call it something different. I think I’m on the fence about that one. On one side I agree with your statement. But on the other, I don’t see it as a different product, but instead a refinement of an old shape. Cars do this all the time. And in my opinion I much prefer the V3 Deathadder shape to the V2 and older shapes and from the consensus I am seeing in my comment section and online I think most people agree. With the Viper going through the same treatment now with the V3 Hyperspeed it will be interesting to see the communities reaction to that once the Pro version drops and more people try it out.

[@shapeshifter7676]

Superlight 2 has made Superlight a lot cheaper, so it's a W for me

[@hurubi]

Where did you get replacement skates for the superlight 2?

[@ThomasMuehler]

I haven't got any replacement skates. I'm not sure what you're talking about.

[@Warhorse469]

It seems that if you already have the Superlight V1, it's not worth upgrading to the V2. However, if you don't have the V1 and are considering getting the Superlight, then going for the V2 is the way to go. Choosing the V1 over the V2 doesn't make any sense unless there was some major problem between the two.

[@ThomasMuehler]

You nailed it. Great summary!

[@hellcatkissu]

I have superlight 1. Recently I thought about whether it's worth updating, but I realized from this video that it's not worth it. Thanks for the video Edited after 5 Months: my brother bought GPX2 and I played CS2. I can’t feel any difference between 1k and 4k, Hero 1 and Hero 2. I think I will update my mice when Logi will to post GPX3)))

[@ThomasMuehler]

I'm glad I could help in your decision making. If you can find it on sale (or if you use code "Shroud" or something) and get it on discount it may be worth taking the jump if you need a new mouse and are in love with the shape. Also, appreciate you commenting multiple times and checking out my other videos!

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@MarlaneM The more I've used the GPX 2 the more I like it and the more satisfied I am with upgrading. Definitely think if you really enjoy the shape, are a mouse collector, or haven't tried the OG Superlight that it would be a good option. Especially, if you use a creator code to get a discount on the price.

[@200pumb]

Same here 😂

[@turtle7588]

@@ThomasMuehlerbro got a code and sold his soul

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@turtle7588 What are you talking about? That isn’t even my code. I get nothing from it. It just gives someone a 15-20% discount on an item they would be buying anyways.

[@raphaelh8852]

Wonderful video. I used the Logitech PRO Wireless previously. Mine has worn down over time and it is time for a fresh mouse. I considered purchasing the same mouse or "upgrading" to a lighter version. Thanks for the insights. Very cool Video.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Would love to hear which one you go with and thoughts on it when you pick it up and try it out.

[@DJaquithFL]

You should do a follow-up review considering you've only used it for 2 days. At best this is the first impression and just your opinion.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Valid criticism. I did put in a significant amount of hours in the short amount of time I had it before I made this video. I have added a pinned comment of updates I’ve found since then. Fortunately/unfortunately, all my statements/findings haven’t really changed. You can find my actual review for the product here: (kzbin.info/www/bejne/aF7Cnpxpn7Gpbqs)

[@bekzodsadullayev5184]

Bro, with this kind of quality content, you must get at least million subscriber. Bravo Thomas!

[@ThomasMuehler]

You're very kind. Appreciate the support.

[@yodaghost9116]

Hi! Do you have any experience with the scroll wheel durability? My "OG" Logitech G Pro X Superlight started to stutter and mess up the direction of scrolling about 1 year after the purchase. Since a few weeks, the mouse itself also stutters, not feeling smooth. Gladly its still in the warranty period. Does the Logitech G Pro X Superlight 2 has such a messed up scroll wheel aswell? Great Video!

[@ThomasMuehler]

Great question. I am not a fan of the Logitech scroll wheel on the GPX or GPX 2 as I think they feel cheap. Also, heard some people complain about durability issues. But to answer your question the GPX 2 looks/feels to be the same as the GPX 1.

[@yodaghost9116]

@@ThomasMuehler Ordered it the same day. I have read some more comments. Paid 115€ on the GPX, had do add just 20 € to get the GPX2. If the wheel/ Connections fails again, i'll just take another warranty claim.

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@yodaghost9116 That sounds like a good plan. If you remember I'd love to hear your thoughts on the scroll wheel when you get it in.

[@MrSTROM26]

you deserve so many more subs man, keep up the good work. Best of luck, i love your channel.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Appreciate the encouraging words.

[@Cornysan]

WOW! Really great video, you put so much effort into this!

[@ThomasMuehler]

I appreciate the kind words!

[@heyjoejoe1589]

Thank you, this is exactly the video i was looking for. Quality format, effort, and love put into such an informative video. God bless to you as well.

[@ThomasMuehler]

You are so very kind. I appreciate the kind words and your continued support. I'm glad you found it helpful!

[@B-uj2te]

Is the pink color better or worse or just the same?

[@ThomasMuehler]

I want to say I went more into this in one of the comments. It's been a while since I tried the stock black one and the pink one. So, I don't remember. But what my memory is telling me is that the pink one felt a tad bit grippier.

[@EldritchAugur]

I own both. The optical clicks on the superlight 2 are the best implementation that I've seen. They actually feel more tactile than the true mechanical clicks on the superlight 1. I hated the mushy optical clicks on the OG Viper so much that I swore I would never use them again, but the superlight 2 has converted me.

[@ThomasMuehler]

That is fair enough. It took me a while to get used to optical switches. But the Viper V3 Pro is the best optical implementation I've tried. As it feels and sounds great. I'm still not the biggest fan of GPX 2 optical switch feel.

[@zanaros2606]

My G Pro Superlight 1 button is already experiencing double clicking issues though. Your competitive fps games are ruined the moment this happens. Especially in counter strike where you need to be able to tap your fires at times. So that's going to be a new G Pro Superlight 1 every 1 to 2 years, unless you know how to solder and replace mouse buttons.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Noooo. I'm sorry to hear that. That's horrible. But I do appreciate you letting us know. Is this just 1/1 samples though? As maybe you got lucky. Also, do hear you on the Customer Support. Which makes everything all the more frustrating. Especially, when you are paying top dollar for a product. To have to jump through a bunch of hoops is no fun.

[@zanaros2606]

@@ThomasMuehler Nay...I don't think it has anything to do with "luck". I bought my current double-clicking G Pro X Superlight, after my G Pro Wireless started having double clicking issues. Bought the G Pro Wireless after my logitech G Pro Hero started having double clicking issues. Bought the G Pro Hero after my logitech 403 started having double clicking issues. Lol. Paid so much money for all these "premium" gaming mice, that always break down in 0.5 to 1.5 years time range. So much so that it's technically considered a scam, even eligible as a class action lawsuit...to have "premium" gaming mice with buttons constantly breaking down. Even a logitech gaming keyboard I had with triple-clicking button issue, which is extremely frustrating since it costs more than the mouse. No idea why no one has sued them yet, whereas there are already class action lawsuits against bad quality gaming console controllers. I used to have a razer deathadder a long time ago before that logitech 403. It eventually developed the same double clicking issue too. Another Steelseries gaming mouse I once got turned extremely sticky and unusable. So it's not just logitech, but something prevalent within the entire industry. They don't make their mice to last at all. Or with good quality beneath the surface. Whereas some ancient mouse I had as a kid is still working fine after many years. It's just some very cheap mouse I bought from a neighborhood PC store when I was very young.

[@zanaros2606]

​@@ThomasMuehler Well I bought my current double-clicking G Pro X Superlight, after my G Pro Wireless started having double clicking issues. Bought the G Pro Wireless after my logitech G Pro Hero started having double clicking issues. Bought the G Pro Hero after my logitech 403 started having double clicking issues. Lol. Paid so much money for all these "premium" gaming mice, that always break down in half to one and a half years time range. So much so that it's technically considered a scam, even eligible as a class action lawsuit...to have premium gaming mice with buttons constantly breaking down. Even a logitech gaming keyboard I had with triple-clicking button issue, which is extremely frustrating since it costs so much more than the mouse. No idea why no one has sued them yet, lol.

[@zanaros2606]

@@ThomasMuehler I used to have a razer deathadder a long time ago before that logitech 403. It eventually developed the same double clicking issue too, or sometimes not even registering clicks. Another Steelseries gaming mouse I once got turned extremely sticky and unusable. So it's not just logitech, but something prevalent within the entire gaming mice industry. They don't make their mice to last at all. Or with good quality beneath the surface. Whereas some ancient mouse I had as a kid is still working fine after many years...and it's just some very cheap mouse I bought from a neighborhood PC store when I was very young, and had no idea about gaming mice.

[@ThomasMuehler]

I've found the occurrence of double clicks varies quite a bit. Where some people never develop them. Where others do all the time. Interestingly enough geographic location does make an impact on the switches. Which may be playing a main part in your situation with so many mice failing. Usually, having an environment with low humidity and dust decreases occurrence. And probably some other things I've forgotten. I've bought a ton of gaming mice and never had double clicking. Or chatter on a keyboard. So again, I really do think it is an environmental thing. You're someone who should definitely look into optical switches over mechanical. @@zanaros2606

[@monfrezo]

So the conclusion is, as an owner of superlight gen 1, there is absolutely no reason getting the superlight 2, cuz im considering it strongly as its on sale for a little over $100 bucks in my local store, the main selling point for me being the usb-c, but what i find devolutional is that they didn't do anything to the feet, which forces me to invest another $20 bucks in other feet/skates, which i would say is mandatory, unfortunately. I'd really appreciate a third-party opinion🙏 p.s in the back of my mind im sure the superlight 2 will become even cheaper with time, as we saw with the superlight gen 1.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Yes. 1. Need third party feet. 2. Scroll wheel is the same. Which sucks. 3. Buttons while being optical are louder. Don't feel as crisp. But no double click. 4. Sensor is better. Performs better. And still one of the best performing mice and I think slightly faster than the GPX 1. Also, they came out with the 4,000 hz now. I haven't had much time to test it though. 5. USB-C is very nice. 6. I may have mentioned some other things in the video. But with time those are the main things I remember from it. So, I still think for most people the upgrade is not worth it. If your mouse breaks I would get the 2 at that point. Along with if you could sell your GPX1 it may be worth the upgrade then. Or finally, if you are like me and just like having the latest and greatest and tend to be able to convince yourself you made the right decision there are enough things here that you'd probably be OK with that. But if you are not one of those idiots (like myself) then you'd probably say it was a stupid decision.

[@nuzzky]

I’ve had two G Pro Superlights, and both had double-click issues after a year of usage. Before the Superlights, I had a G502 Hero and a Glorious Model D, and they both also had the same issue. Now, I’m so frustrated with double-click issues that I’ve stopped gaming.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Sounds incredibly frustrating. Instead of stopping gaming why don't you just buy a mouse with optical switches instead of mechanical? Assuming you still want to game.

[@nuzzky]

@@ThomasMuehler yep I might get a new mouse, can you suggest me a good budget mouse that comes with optical switches… I’m thinking to get Razer viper but the problem is they have 3 different Razer Vipers.

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@nuzzky Unfortunately, I tend to focus on the top-end mice. So, I don't have a lot of knowledge to pull from when it comes to budget mice. I think all of the Razer "pro line" of mice have been optical for a long time. They have slowly improved in time with each generation. If you were to buy an OG Viper or the Viper V2 Pro you could probably get it quite cheap ($60 - $80). Or if you wait for a sale you could probably get one of their modern flagships (I think the Viper V3 Pro is the best mouse on the market right now) for an acceptable price. But probably more than you would want. As I'd imagine closer to the 100 if on a great sale but closer to 120 - 130 mark. Neither are "budget" category. All the other mice that I can think of off the top of my head are either not very good, use mechanical, or have strange shapes. And again "budget" mice are my specialty. Because I'm a moron who tends to buy the expensive things.

[@nuzzky]

@@ThomasMuehler no issues brother.. btw thanks for replying & your content is awesome 🙌🏼

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@nuzzky Another comment mentioned the Ninjutso Sora V2, which is $99. Looks really good for the price. Has Omron Optical Switches. May be worth looking into.

[@AlexEstefano1]

In your opinion and experience, would you choose a Razer Viper V2 Pro or the GPX2? I currently have a GPX and am thinking about upgrading, but I'm undecided between these two models.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Personally, I would pick the Viper V2 Pro. As it has a much better sensor, supports up to 8,000 Hz, optical switches (that I think are quieter than the GPX 2, better quality, and feel better), better scroll wheel, better side buttons, better PTFE feet, better firmware/software (in the sense of latency and all that), also actually prefer Razer Synapse over Logitech G Hub, and battery life is going to be similar between the two. The only negatives are that the shape of the Viper is hit or miss with people as Logitech has a safer more well-liked shape. And you can store the wireless transmitter in the mouse. The Deathadder V3 Pro has the same specs as the Viper V2 Pro just a different shape that I think more people enjoy.

[@AlexEstefano1]

@@ThomasMuehler My first "Gamer" mouse was a Deathadder, which always pleased me with the shape and the grip itself, which I exchanged about 3 to 4 years ago for the GPX, at first it made me feel strange with the difference in size and grip. , because I have a relatively large hand, but nowadays I'm totally used to it. I really liked your video and you give feedback from someone who will use it as a regular consumer, without having so many technical details and more the feeling that it will give when used, which also made me think about returning to Razer. However, as they are more expensive products, especially in Brazil, I end up feeling a little insecure about going back to a mouse with a shape that I haven't used for a long time like the DA V3, so I might end up opting for the Viper V3. Thank you for your attention to my comment and I will definitely come back to your channel more often.

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@AlexEstefano1 The Deathadder shape did change with the latest generation (Deathadder V3 Pro). It is a bit smaller. I prefer this new shape over the old shape. But since shape is personal preference not sure how that would translate to your and your big hands. Totally understand the hesitancy of trying something new with prices so high! Honestly, all of the mice mentioned are excellent. You can’t go wrong with any of them. With all of them we are really down to splitting hairs and I think you’d be happy with any of them. Appreciate the constructive criticism as well! Thanks for taking the time to share. Also, forgot that the coating on the Razer mice feel more like PBT plastic. Which some say is slippery. Compared to the GPX being more rubbery.

[@video-ov3js]

Hi! accidently bumped on this channel and quite shocked to see you are yet to reach 10k subs i thought it was 900K at beginning but little by little one walks far for sure! Need your guidance if you may? im buying a gaming mouse for first time and i have a good budget savings but quite unsure which mouse to buy either Superlight 2 or Razer Viper V3 Pro White. what would you recommend, many thanks again

[@ThomasMuehler]

The encouraging words are appreciated. 100% Viper V3 Pro. Its leagues better. I'm at the point I'm no longer even recommending the GPX or GPX 2. Or well Logitech at all in the mice sector. They have fallen to far behind in too many areas while charging far too much.

[@SPxUMADBROYOLO]

I used the OG grip tape it came with. Not recommended for people with hot hands. I guess i melted the glue adhesive over time just using it. It became like jello and wouldn't stay on the mouse. Had to clean it off with goo gone and alcohol to finally get all the sticky adhesive off. Also if you're getting this might as well get the one you can get glass skates for. Its the only thing that makes this mouse worth it. The plastic feet just ruin how smooth it can be.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Man, that's pretty crazy about the adhesive. But it certainly does make sense. I think we forget that we are 98 degrees normally. And I'm sure our hands get hotter than that when they are warm. As for the glass skates. 100% agree on that one. Much better with them than the stock feet.

[@mr_oceanic9083]

In the market for a super light which one do i go for? 1 version or 2 version without having one before

[@ThomasMuehler]

I think it depends on the sale you can find on the GPX and what you are looking for in a mouse. I would only go with the GPX2 if you can't find a good deal on the GPX. If you are hardcore into having the latest and greatest. If you are someone who prefers to future proof. If you are into USB-C. If you don't want switches that could develop a double click. Personally, I'd go with the GPX2. As I think there is enough to justify the increase in price. Especially, if that difference is only $30. But it were a bit greater than that then it would make it harder.

[@bsz6328]

I absolutely didn't care about the differences, came across your channel when I had the dirty scrollwheel issue with my V1. But this video about the differences is great, I did not click away. Subbed ^^

[@ThomasMuehler]

I'm glad you found it beneficial! Welcome to the family bsz6328. I'm glad you are here.

[@manssupar]

Do u have double click issue on both model? I still use razer mouse but think to buy superlight..

[@ThomasMuehler]

No, I haven’t had a double click occur on my GPX or GPW. The GPX 2 has optical switches so theoretically can’t get double clicks. I say theoretically as it has mechanical parts as they are more of a “hybrid” switch. The occurrence of double clicks appears to have decreased with the new switch implementation and is back into the normal “defective” range from what I’ve seen (which is limited). But double clicks are a defect, but can occur on any mechanical switch. May also occur based on a lot of other things that can make the defect more likely to occur (humidity, cleanliness, type of switch, etc.)

[@user-j9ki7r]

64 euro superlight 1 or 140 euro superlight 2? which one would you choose?😇😁

[@ThomasMuehler]

I’m a moron, like to make bad choices, and enjoy the latest and greatest so I would go with the GPX2 as it would eat away at my soul if I didn’t get it. However, I think if you aren’t a freak like me then the Superlight 1 is the superior choice as you are getting 90% or more of everything for less than half the cost. And my recommendation would be the Superlight 1. Especially at that price.

[@murderspree]

Great video! Thank you for your time, to compare these mice. I have a question though. I'm planning to buy one of these mice, but which one should I get?

[@ThomasMuehler]

I think most people will be perfectly fine with the GPX 1. But if you are wanting the more flagship device. Or just USB-C, or optical switches then the GPX2. Or if you are someone who prefers to try and future proof a bit better then the GPX2.

[@DevonDoesTech]

Wow great comparison, thank you so much!

[@SiegeOC]

Maybe too far fetched of a question but what do you think of the Pro X Superlight 2 Dex?

[@ThomasMuehler]

Great question. I haven't tried it. So this is just my thoughts from what I'm hearing/seeing. I think it was a smart move from Logitech to release a mouse that is more ergo centric that is also at a semi-competitive weight. Why they didn't just release the G703, but updated, and lighter weight, I'm not sure. Also, they "upgraded" the sensor. Knowing Logitech it was probably a firmware update. The specs seem a bit wonky on it. But I'd be interested in trying it out. However, it may be a new sensor as the GPX 2 should get the same firmware update it if it was based on that. I find it strange that the GPX 2 doesn't get the bump in specs. I think the upgraded sensor was needed as they were quite far behind when it comes to the "premium mouse tier". The only things I found interesting was the shape and new sensor. But not enough to actually go buy it. I think I've heard they offer 8K polling now too. Which is interesting from such a small dongle. As I have a hard time thinking that will have as good of connection as the competition. But they have surprised me in the past. I haven't had time to test it out yet. As I've been slammed between work and school. I've heard good things about the possible new generation hybrid optical clicks. But that could also just be due to the shell design. Which again is a step in the right direction. But heard the side buttons and scroll wheel are the same. Which are two massive negatives that they refuse to listen to user feedback about. The scroll wheel to me on my GPX 2 is so bad I can't even use it for competitive games. Ruining the entire mouse for me (and I don't even use my scroll wheel all that often). Overall, I think Logitech has ceased to be relevant. They went too long on their past successes. Continue to fail to innovate or do anything interesting. Are charging premium prices for specs that are mid-tier these days ($80 - $100). The feel of their mice and products is meh (clicks, side buttons, scroll wheel). That this is too little too late. And at this point I'm not longer recommending any Logitech mice. As they aren't worth it. Additionally, they have a bunch of old mouse shapes that people love that are running on very old tech. Why they don't refresh those lines with updated internals and weight loss blows my mind. As that is a gold mine.

[@zane0756]

Underated channel bro. Excellent video saved me 150 quid lmao 🤣 subscribed.

[@ThomasMuehler]

I'm glad I could be of assistance! Welcome to the family Zane. I'm very happy you are here.

[@dtester]

I feel that people don't understand incremental change. It's not meant to be a must-buy replacement and it creates the added benefit of reduce price on the older model which is probably 90% as good if you want to save money. Granted I'm sure Logitech doesn't mind if a customer shells out more money on an unneeded upgrade. ^_^

[@ThomasMuehler]

You make a good point. That I agree with. Normally, your position would be the exact position I would take. For example MacBook's year to year. However, with this particular product I was expecting more. Mostly, because it has been years since the last update. This is the single greatest gaming mouse that has probably ever released (from a success and wide use standpoint). And that they have fallen dramatically behind compared to the competition. Not sure if you follow golf. But Tiger Woods was incredible in his prime. Just destroying the competition. Then he got injured and other stuff happened. His performance dropped. Others took his place. Then he came back and people wanted him to take that top spot again. The same thing with the Logitech G Pro Superlight. Great (OG release) -> very good (after time) -> very good (GPX2) when I think people wanted great.

[@dtester]

@@ThomasMuehler I agree, a significant innovation would have been nice. From Logitech's point of view I'm thinking they don't want to break what might be working.

[@Ares_Zelf]

ive used my superlight for a year and a half and have absolutely never exprienced a double click but maybe im just lucky, thanks for the video.

[@ThomasMuehler]

It has been a while since I did some math regarding this issue. But found that Logitech, specifically the GPW/GPX was experiencing higher than normal rates of defects from their cheap mechanical switches. Which translated is like 10 - 15% of users. Which means 85 - 90% of users weren't having issues. But when the normal average is like 5 - 6% that is considerable. Especially, when you have a mouse this popular. So you not having issues for a year and half is still to be expected. I haven't had double clicks on any of my mice either. As there is other things that come into play that can increase issues. Such as higher humidity. Which is another conversation. But basically, not having double clicks is the norm. But if you are unlucky or depending on certain environmental factors it can increase the probability of double clicks happening. Which when spending premium money can be frustrating. Especially, if outside of that 2-year warranty window. Which is why I recommend optical switches. As they won't double click. And are technically faster latency wise. But don't feel as good to the touch. But that is more a user preference thing.

[@Ares_Zelf]

@ThomasMuehler I never considered double clicks to be a defect but I guess you could say that as it's not intended. Regardless I feel as if the switches with the GPX are considerably better than other popular mice for me the mouse that has caused me the most double clicks would be the model o wireless as slightly clicked too fast and hard will cause it to click 2 or more times despite its popularity the issue is persistent. On all the model o's I've tested myself.

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@Ares_Zelf I would agree with you in the sense of the Model O being worse. The reliability of the Glorious mice isn't great. I haven't been a big fan. As I see them more like the Walmart brand of gaming mice. Yes, they have some reasonably good stuff and at good prices. But there is a quality difference there.

[@_qu1nten_]

the OG superlight has the issue of the scrollwheel breaking quick where when u scroll up on the screen it scrolls both directions and stuff. is that also fixed on the new version?

[@ThomasMuehler]

I never had that problem. But am aware of it. From my understanding, no. I believe the scroll wheel is exactly the same. Prone to the same possible defects.

[@Acroanidd]

I just switched from a Razer Death Adder V3 Pro because the scroll wheel click died on me. It always does with Razer products and i'm trying Logitech again after many years of Razer, Corsair, Steel Series etc. I love the Razer DA shape, the superlight is still very good though. What I do notice right out of the gate though is the scroll wheel is infinitely better on the Logi mouse. I have a DA V2 (wired), V3 Pro (wireless), Ouroboros and both death adders scroll wheels were squeaky right from the start. But they also stopped taking middle clicks after around a year mark each. The Corsairs died after only a handful of months but thankfully they weren't as expensive.

[@ThomasMuehler]

WHAT?! You think the Logitech scroll wheel is infinitely better? (I'm saying that in a playful tone but you can't actually tell that via text). I find that very interesting as I very much disagree. I can't stand Logitech scroll wheels. The feel terrible to me and are very inconsistent where I cannot rely on them in game (well for the GPX at least all versions include the GPW). But that's the wonderful thing about gaming mice. And what also makes it so hard for manufacturers is so much of it is personal preference. I also find it interesting that you're saying that all your Razer mice wheels have died. As I hear that as a complaint for Logitech mice far more often than I do for Razer in my comment section. Especially, with the GPX. But obviously you have a lot of experience so I'm by no means doubting your position. Glad the Logitech is working well for you. By squeaky what exactly do you mean? Like louder in one direction than the other? Or like literally like a squeaky wheel? And you say your middle click breaks? So it just doesn't register or you lose mobility? I just don't think I've heard of a middle mouse click breaking all that often either.

[@Acroanidd]

@@ThomasMuehler so I just got the GPX a week ago I don't know if it will last longer but first impressions are good. As far as the squeaky goes it is audibly squeaky when scrolling up on both the v2 and v3 pro, it's obnoxiously loud and was that way from the jump on both not something that started months later, I have read several people reporting this as common. The middle mouse click outright stops working without using a ton of force on it to the point it feels like I will break my mouse. I use my mice not only for gaming but at work where I'm a data center engineer. I use the scroll wheel click all the time as it opens new instances of applications from the task bar or new tabs in a browser. They work fine for a while and after several months they just die. I'm not saying the Logitech will fare better long term, the last mice I used of theirs as a primary device would go way back to the G5/518 days. I'm very hard on my mice and I will acknowledge that but it's just a shame that it consistently is the scroll wheel that fails. The Corsair mice were by far the worst though in terms of reliability. I should also add that I forgot that I had a naga trinity that started to show those symptoms as well I just gave it to someone else who doesn't use the click and plays MMOs lol

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@Acroanidd That is very interesting. A legit squeak. Gotta say I’ve never experienced that before. I know certain climates do affect peripherals differently. Wondering if that has some type of contribution here. I use my middle mouse button a lot more during browsing then I think I do gaming. But you would also think premium price, premium products, made for intense usage should last a long time. Unless if you’re like crazy aggressive with your amount of pressure all the time. These products (in my opinion) are made to be used aggressively. Granted, the switches themselves tend to be the same in nearly all mice no matter the price. You’re more paying for sensor, latency, shape, lightweight, etc. Have you done research into the different types of encoders (which are the fancy name for middle click and scroll wheels. I think). I know some marketing focuses in on that. One that comes to mind is Lamzu? I may be getting their primary clicks confused. But TTC comes to mind too. It’s been a minute since I actually looked into those. But I’m wondering if a particular mouse kind of how they “bin” switches would also “bin” scroll wheel to prevent them from failing? In the same vein, have you ever tried a more robust wheel during the work day (such as Razer Basilisk V3 Pro or Logitech G502)? I’m just wondering with them being heavier if they have more reinforcement in them. Last, have you looked into possible ability to just replace the scroll wheel (or take apart ones that don’t work) and see if you can just fix or swap out that part instead of having to buy a new mouse every time? I guess the other alternative too would that I hope you’re taking advantage of (assuming you live in the right place) is warranties. As this would be covered under those. Probably not telling you anything you haven’t thought of yourself already. But you’ve got me all curious and so you get a wall of text. lol. Sorry about that.

[@Acroanidd]

@@ThomasMuehler lol no worries at all about the wall of text my friend. So to keep it simple I haven't gone down the rabbit hole of looking up wheel manufacturers yet, I was going to if and when the GPX acts up. I was just feeling like giving Logitech another go since it's been close to 10+ years since I last tried them. As far as warranty is concerned unfortunately this stuff is considered normal wear and tear and typically isn't covered because they will argue it's not a defect, I've been down this rabbit hole a lot with computer repair stuff in the past I've tried a couple times and get nowhere. As far as repair I've done most things I can comfortably do but unfortunately a lot of these mice don't really come apart for repair to well much less get put back together lol. Now the whole idea of two mice has kicked up in my brain one for gaming and the other for productivity but it's really, really hard to use a heavy mouse after using these light weight slippy skated mice. I actually damn near bought a Logi MX Master instead of the GPX because I feel like if there's anything going to last a while it would be that... That was until I felt the floor model the weight of it would drive me nuts. I totally get this is a me problem (aside from the squeaks) and my love of these high end low weight gaming mice may need to change for my work day, but can you blame me? 😂 Cheers

[@Stonedmiesta]

this was great, in depth, good comedy, and had good coverage between them both. I think ima go with the SL2 given the 3 big differences of cable, optics, and new sensor.

[@ThomasMuehler]

I would love to hear your thoughts on the Superlight 2 once you get it in and try it out.

[@Stonedmiesta]

@@ThomasMuehler It just showed up yesterday. the box unopened was less weight than my g403. right away i noticed a slight difference in the palm grip. the superlight has a leaner/slimmer back compared to the g403. will take some time to get used to. the scroll wheel isn't mushy anymore, i can feel each scroll. the click on it is silent which is different. I played aimlabs and some games with it so far - definitely enjoy it a lot. Right now im going to see if I should get glass skates or put grips on. but ya 100% worth the upgrade from a non superlight. My friend has the superlight 1 and if I was on that I probably wouldn't upgrade just for the usb-c/new switches alone. but for a new upgrade/jump from a 40$ mouse big worth it.

[@marvinkrah]

Hey man, thanks for the nice video, very decent information, keeping it short on most topics. pleasant to watch and listen to, neat little jokes and humor and i love the fact you´re holding up the Gen 2 whilst talking about the OG and vice versa a couple of times. best of luck for your channel p.s. i´m coming from a HyperX pulsefire dart and will buy the OG version to see if it will fit my grasp

[@ThomasMuehler]

Would love to hear your thoughts on the GPX if you pick it up.

[@Medatama]

I have gone through 2 superlights at this point both having the same issue at after around 9-12 months of usage the middle mouse button becomes really unresponsive. You click the middle mouse button with a dintincable click and sound but there is no response untill you press down harder. This is probably hella copium but Im praying this mouse maybe has this issue covered for maybe being a mouse that lasts a bit longer than just a year or atleast in my case. (I use middle mouse button alot (:)

[@ThomasMuehler]

I wish I could give you a more concrete answer. I'm hesitant. As I have now tried 2 Superlight 2's (pricing issue that I won't get into). I'm also EXTREMELY early in the testing process. Making it so these thoughts/findings may change. But I've found significant variance between my two models. Limiting it to just the scroll wheel, my first black one was extremely light, meh-distinct steps, and mushy not super accurate middle click (almost borderline defective maybe). Which is the one I was talking about in this review. Got a pink version yesterday. And the scroll wheel is tighter (but not as tight as the OG Superlight) more distinct steps (just right in my opinion) with a solid middle click (much better than my black Superlight 2, lighter pressure, which is more satisfying/accurate to me, but otherwise same as my OG Superlight). It almost seems like my black Superlight 2 is similar to your issue. Where I would worry about possible unresponsiveness after some time has gone by. But the pink Superlight 2 seems peachy. But I've also never had a defective scroll wheel (outside of from Finalmouse, which is borderline of I don't think I can justify an RMA, but isn't normal either). And while I use it all time to open links, close tabs, I rarely use it in games. But am trying to utilize it more.

[@speed256x]

Do you have the scrolling problem too? Mine got it, it occasionally kick back the scroll direction, maybe due to dust or maybe the scroll design flaw for less wieght. Never have this with my MX master or my good old G700 infinity scroll.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Not sure who you were asking. But my two cents. My black version had issues. My Pink version does not and does just fine. But with it being so light can be a bit difficult to be fully accurate as it is easy to over or under scroll. In comparison to my Viper V2 Pro which has a lot stiffer wheel.@@speed256x

[@speed256x]

Its kinda link to respond rate on mine. In teh beginning I though its because of dust but I had it cleaned by pros and the problem still there. But when I reduce the respond rate to save battery life while playing Starfield, the scrolling became more accurate. Logi really focus on the latency and forget about the list scrolling :D@@ThomasMuehler

[@ThomasMuehler]

That is very interesting. But sounds to be defective. I'd reach out to Logitech Support and see what they have to say. @@speed256x

[@ihadlunch8575]

My superlight having bad scroll wheel issues. Thinking about upgrading to a superlight 2. I just wish there was a light wireless mouse with an infinite scroll wheel.

[@ThomasMuehler]

That is up to you. I still think for the price that you can find better mice (Such as the Viper V3 Pro). But if you really like the shape then you can stick with the GPX. I too wish there was a lightweight mouse with infinite scroll wheel. Maybe some unique brand somewhere has made it. But I'm certainly not aware of one.

[@silver_ace3418]

I’ve used the same razor mouse for many years now and thinks about buying one of these. But I’m still confused after many videos watched, is it really worth buying the new one instead of the og one. I don’t know anything about these mouse’s other than what the videos have told me

[@ThomasMuehler]

I think it really depends on how hardcore of a gamer you are. 1. If you are a causal player. By that I mean you aren't trying to be in the top 1% of aimers, aren't trying to reach the very top of gaming charts, in general may play competitive games but for the enjoyment of those games and enjoy ranking up even if you are in the top percentiles. Like say Gold or Platinum. But also play a bunch of other games. And in general spend more time on your computer using it as a computer over gaming. Then the difference between the two is not worth the price difference. 2. Again, if you are causal but also one of those people who like to future proof everything you buy. Or in general like to have the "best of the best" then buying the upgraded variant is worth it. 3. If you are a try hard competitive gamer and/or like to be on the cutting edge. Or have a specific thing you dislike about the old mouse (Micro-USB or Mechanical switches) then you should buy the upgraded one.

[@Oxhamns]

Is it worth buying the g pro x superlight OG? I’ve read alot about the double click issue and I don’t feel like wasting money on a mouse that has that problem

[@ThomasMuehler]

Good question. I get A LOT of comments on how their Logitech mice have developed double clicks. It is always a risk of mechanical switches. Also, geographical/climate are contributing factors making it better/worse. If you have concerns with that I would recommend going with the new one since it has hybrid optical switches where that shouldn't happen. Personally, I prefer optical switches. As won't develop double clicks and are faster. But tend to be louder and not feel as crisp as less moving parts (which is what makes them more robust). So there are trades. But I'm willing to take those trades for the benefits but that varies from person to person. I think it also depends on the price difference. Where if you can buy two of OG Superlight for 1 of the Superlight 2. I think they come with a 2 year warranty. Double clicks would be covered under warranty (assuming you live somewhere that accepts the warranty). That would give you four years of coverage for the same price. But the GPX 2 also has slightly better specs which may also help with your decision making. But again, this is all personal opinion with your own pros/cons list.

[@Oxhamns]

@@ThomasMuehler Alright thank you so much for replying, this helped alot!

[@Oxhamns]

@@ThomasMuehler Oh do you think the Sora v2 is worth getting instead of this?

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@Oxhamns I haven't tried the Sora V2. But I have heard other people I follow talk about it. Heard good things. Additionally, looking at the specs it seems like a lot better mouse. Great weight, 8,000 Hz, similar shape. A lot cheaper. I think it would be a lot better choice.

[@Oxhamns]

@@ThomasMuehlerAlrighty thank you again!

[@bor_m9610]

Loved the video! I've been recently in the market for a new mouse for gaming since I've had the same wired Razer one for about 2-3 years and was looking for an upgrade. I've heard highly about both of these mice and was also planning on looking outside of Logitech for these type of light wireless mice as well. I was hoping to hear what your recommended wireless mouse is for gaming. I'm sure my budget isn't really an issue since I've got some money to burn. Thank you!

[@ThomasMuehler]

My favorite mouse is the Razer Viper Mini SE. I don’t recommend you buy as it is crazy expensive and if you don’t like the shape then you’re hosed. But I figure since you said “I’ve got some money to burn” I’d give you all the choices. 1. It would be a tie between the Razer Viper V2 Pro, Razer Deathadder V3 Pro, or Finalmouse Ultralight X. As they are all S-Tier (top of the line) mice and you can’t go wrong with any of them. Not saying they are all perfect. The Viper is quite flat which a lot of people don’t like (mostly claw/fingertip). Then you’ve got the Deathadder V3 Pro that is a great ergo shape. But is ergo which means mostly palm/claw. Also, if you have small hands then it may be too large even though the V3 is smaller. The Ultralight X while it is a continuous product is brand new and been dropping in waves. And takes several months to arrive. Finalmouse also tends to have a TON of QA issues. My Ultralight X is pretty good. I have some side creaking (that I could likely fix if I wanted to take off the PTFE and tighten a screw), also the shell isn’t perfectly flush (which I think more comes down to variance than an actual defect but that’s another conversation). But otherwise I don’t have any problems with it and it is super lightweight. Also, supports 4,000/8,000 Hz. 2. GPX 2 is a solid mouse but I think others are more competitive at the price point as even with the refreshed specs they are in the “high tier” category instead of the “premium tier”. With that said from an objective testing standpoint their results are still in the “premium category” from a latency standpoint. But when I’m using it compared to the others they do technically perform better in objective testing and subjectively to me. But due to the shape I feel like I have to recommend it. As it is one of the most popular gaming mice ever. Again, you can’t go wrong with this choice either. But main complaints I’m seeing from people are the scroll wheel is meh and not super reliable. For example I use it a lot in Escape From Tarkov and I can’t rely on it. Also, the click feel varies a ton and not everybody is a fan of how they feel. 3. Recently had a meeting with Asus. I haven’t tried their mice yet. But they are doing surprisingly awesome things with their peripherals and are very competitive with the best of the best. The Asus ROG Harpe has gotten a lot of positive reviews and would be worth checking out. It is on my list to try out but I haven’t had the pleasure yet. 4. I’ve heard great things about Pulsar and Lamzu. Did try the Lamzu Atlantis (Gen 1) and for the price is a good mouse. I find the firmware (latency) for my Lamzu isnt at the same level as the ones listed above. With all that said I stopped looking at other gaming mice when Razer dropped their latest line (Viper V2 Pro, Cobra Pro, Deathadder V3 Pro, etc.) As every single one of them has been a banger in my opinion. As they come with the best tech on the market (that I’m aware of) and just nailed holistically the feel (solid shape, great primary clicks, side clicks, scroll wheel, PTFE, coating, etc.) that I feel like they are the current leader and I’m not interested in looking at other mice as they have me perfectly satisfied. Also, they have a ton of different options for people so they can find what they are looking for. For example the ones that I mentioned are mostly for FPS (not that they can’t or don’t perform excellently in every other genre). But I use the Basilisk V3 Pro for doing normal work/surfing. Cobra Pro is a cheaper Viper Mini but comes with all the bells and whistles and is a bit heavier due to that. The Viper Mini SE is the best mouse I’ve ever used and I’m a fool who will spend a stupid amount of money for it (also continuous release but with it’s popularity sells out quickly, don’t buy third party).

[@pho0ey]

Hey Thomas, I thought I heard you mention something about the hero sensor feeling floaty to you and that the hero 2 is no different? Can you please expand on that? I’m asking because I used to think the same thing for a very long time, especially when I try faster flicks. But now I really swear by hero. I mean I’m more confident with it overall, even though I do perform better on precise long ranged tracking with the da v3 pro. But it’s this difference that’s odd to me- I cannot objectively find any fault with the hero vs 3395. Mouse tester graphs are almost the, same, just a bit more variance with hero wireless count scatter. So let me know why you think the hero feels floaty because you’re the only other person I know who felt this way apart from me.

[@ThomasMuehler]

I wrote a book. I’m sorry. I tried to shorten it. But failed. I added titles so you can skip around. Lol Great question. I continue to find the HERO sensor to feel icky. I find the HERO 2 to feel a lot better. But still significantly behind the Focus+/Focus Pro. And I specifically, mean those two sensors from Razer with their firmware/software. As the hardware implementation paired with software/firmware makes a big difference. BEFORE GETTING IN GAME: I have a hard time quantifying how big of a difference I feel between the HERO and HERO 2 as I was expecting (from the other Titan of the industry) equal if not better performance than their main competitor. But since it is performing worse I mark it up as being irrelevant (not really, that is a bit of hyperbole, but gets my point across). So, I think that colors my opinion on it as well. Where perhaps I'm being more judgmental on it. So, if I disliked the HERO, the HERO 2 isn’t better than the Focus Pro, then why care about it? Granted the more I use the GPX 2 the more I like it. But I'd argue the difference between the Focus+ and Focus Pro is hard to fully feel as well. But I think is easier to feel (whether it be placebo or not) as you can see a bigger jump in specs along with software differences that make it feel more worthy. For example, the HERO/HERO 2 you get more DPI, 2,000 hz, and low/medium/high LOD, and the rest of the specs (that I think matter more) are either not mentioned (such as resolution accuracy which was 98% on the HERO) or minimal upgrades (400 -> 500 IPS). None of which is unique at this point in the game. Whereas, with the Focus+/Pro I see higher DPI, higher resolution accuracy, higher IPS, and higher G's. Plus has other features such as motion sync, asymmetric cut-off, and something else (that I'm failing to pull off the top of my head). Along with in the software (with the separate dongle) I see 4,000 Hz, higher DPI, and in the Lift-Off/Landing I see two bars that have a ton more customization options. Which has helped a lot when I was doing a mod on another mouse and the sensor wasn't tracking at lower LOD due to sensor being higher up in the shell. But due to the highly adjustable LOD I was able to dial that in to still have very low LOD with full performance. Which would have been impossible with the HERO/HERO 2 (or at least to be as exact, think the story of Goldilocks). OBJECTIVE MEASURES COLORING OPINION: Okay, so what does this all have to do with feel? I have objective measures (before even getting in game) of seeing a difference between the two. Which already leaves a good impression in my mind and makes me go in expecting more from one of the sensors (Focus Pro) over the HERO 2. I try to stay as objective as I can still. But would argue that the HERO 2 may have a better shot since I am going in with low expectations if it performs excellently it should be an easy win. Whereas, with the Focus Pro I am expecting perfection and anything else will disappoint me. But both lived up to expectations. Which I’ll go more into in a bit. Additionally, based on graphs from people who have way cooler tech than me, the overall latency of Razer mice compared to Logitech mice are faster and tighter (as you mentioned). Which is another objective standard to backup some of my initial thoughts. You mentioned more variance with the HERO. That variance can be felt in game as it is increasing latency, increase variability, and decreased consistency. While many would argue you can't feel that. I disagree. As I think humans are incredibly complex and amazing creatures and that we are more perceptive than we think we are. Especially, with training, the right gear, and/or priming. HOW THE SENSORS FEEL IN GAME: So with all that out of the way, what does it actually feel like in game? Every time I use the Focus+/Focus Pro I'm amazed at how everything just "sticks" and feels like an extension of my arm. I flick and I'm right where I need to be, if I do need to micro adjust the sensor immediately moves to that pixel that I want. When tracking I stick on my opponent (like I have auto aim) and can outline things with ease. Everything feels effortless and I can focus on everything else in game to perform well (position, where people are, movement, etc.) Whereas, when I am using the HERO I feel like instead of just doing my thing, I'm constantly fighting the sensor trying to control it and do what I want it to do, which makes other parts of my game struggle as my focus is elsewhere. Making me hyper aware of the mouse in my hand and what it isn’t doing, instead of my performance in game making it feel floaty and inaccurate. Moving onto the HERO 2 this feeling is improved. Where I rarely feel like I'm fighting the sensor and am able to focus on the game. Which I think is actually a big deal and me typing that I think gave me some clarification for my review. So thanks for that! But it doesn't feel like it is an extension of my arm still. As when I flick, I still have to micro adjust to be right on semi-regularly, and when I go to micro adjust sometimes the mouse will fight me and either not move or move to much making me miss the pixel I want and I will miss my shot. Also, when I'm tracking I go on/off my feeling of being "stuck" to a target. Where there will be times I absolutely beam people, but then other times it feels like I just can't get on target and am just slightly behind where I want to be. In general I have to focus and try a lot more to perform at the same level. Where with the Focus Pro aim is just effortless all the time and find when my aim is off on the Focus Pro it is because my form is poor which is causing me to have reduced ROM and once I fix that my aim is back on point. Where with the HERO 2 I'm constantly watching my form and in the right position but still feeling "off". Even though I enjoy the GPX shape a lot. CONFIDENCE PLAYS A BIG PART: Now with that said, and you alluded to, there are also times that mentally I WANT/NEED to use "X Product" Such as the GPX. And because of that overwhelming want/need I will perform better with that product for that day. And even then, sometimes (such as with the Finalmouse Starlight 12) despite me REALLY wanting it to be awesome due to the piss poor performance I have to bench it. So I think you feeling more confident with the GPX can color your opinion sometimes as well to make you better with a product. Even if objectively it is inferior spec wise. This can also be due to a bunch of different reasons (shape, size, weight, etc.) that can even a playing field as well which I don't want to get into. Point being, I think confidence in a product makes a huge deal on how you perform with it. That people probably don't mention enough. Another great point for my review (appreciate it!). But final point, despite me being wish-washy about what product I want to use, inevitably (for me) I always find myself performing worse with the GPX over a long period and switching back to Razer (Viper V2 Pro, Viper Mini SE, or Deathadder V3 Pro, or in the past Viper Ultimate/Deathadder V2 Pro) and find my performance is always the best it can be with those mice. With that being consistent over a multitude of mice (as I say the same thing about other Logitech mice) I know the shape/size/weight have nothing to do with it. So it must be something else. I pick sensor but it could be other things. WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID: Last actual point, and sorry for the book. But I've had a LOT of people in my comment section agree that the HERO sensor feels way worse than the Focus+ which is even more noticeable with the Focus Pro. I've never had anyone (outside of Reddit or have only tried one) say that the HERO sensor feels better than the Focus+/Pro. But have had people say that despite the sensor feeling better that due to the shape/size/weight of the GPX that they perform better and that it is their main due to that. Which I 100% respect. You gotta go with the mouse that you perform the best with, instills the most confidence, and feels the best for you. Screw what the objective measures say. There are plenty of gamers that are nutty with crap mice (from a tech standpoint). As at the end of the day, the mouse doesn't matter. But your skill does. Mice are tools, they won't make you a better gamer, but they can make it easier to perform at your best.

[@pho0ey]

@@ThomasMuehler Thanks a ton for your detailed response. Let me go through it properly before getting into any questions. I'd prefer a book at this point tbh.

[@pho0ey]

@@ThomasMuehler May I ask what types of FPS you play? I've experienced everything you have mentioned tbh. But the reason I switch even now, though I'm quite sure with my own measurements that the 3950 (focus pro) is better for control, is because of the differences I perceive with longer ranges of motion vs smaller micro adjustments that are used in tactical shooters. I still play a lot of arena shooters, namely quake live/quake champions etc which require, on average, longer mouse movement, and sometimes, short quick rail gun flicks. So the distribution of ranges of motions for each fight is a lot more extensive. And in these scenarios, I find hero more reliable. Not sure why, maybe a slightly laggy sensor might be better for control? Even in OW2 same thing, although if I pick a hero with ranged tracking such as Soldier, I find DA V3 pro way more responsive like you said. I was hoping they'd fix this with the hero 2 and you did mention that they have to some extent so I'm glad for that. Also, the way I measure this (as objectively as I can) is by testing my aim with both mice (over matching sensitivities - accounting for cpi deviation) in certain kovaaks/aim lab scenarios like tile frenzy and 1wall6etargets TE etc. I do these scenarios consistently better with the hero but on tracking scenarios like lgc3reborn etc I consistently do better with the DA v3 pro using it on 2khz. Basically I'm not sure why. Maybe it's just the shape but I have tried comparing apples to apples with mice like g pro hero vs g pro wired (g305 shape), g403 3366 vs g403 hero etc and its the same difference in feel for tracking vs long range flicks. Even though 3366 is different from focus pro, it feels much closer to focus pro than to hero, hence the comparison. Another observation for me is that when I'm playing fps on my brainless autopilot mode and forget to focus on aim, hero feels more intuitive but we can't always be in this frame of mind. With focus pro I can hit much harder but really need to focus on my game. I think maybe the issue with hero is controlling micro adjustments because it feels a bit like rubber-banding (fighting with the cursor as you've said). Hoping 2khz fixes it because I've gone and ordered the superlight 2. Let's see. Forgot to mention- on mouse tester graphs, DA v3 pro shows initial cpi count increases faster on slower motion where as on fast flicks it's almost the same as hero. This might be proof of why you feel it's more responsive. Mouse tester version 1.5.3 with dual devices feature.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Tend to play a plethora of different games. But to list a few (and not all of them are FPS but shooters), Escape From Tarkov, Apex Legends, Call of Duty MWII, The Division, Aimlabs, Dead Space, Halo Infinite, Halo Master Chief Collection, GTAV, PUBG, Cyberpunk 2077, Destiny 2, Fry Cry, CSGO (rarely), Resident Evil, Metro. But I haven't tried heavy tracking centric games such as OW2 or Quake. I don't have a good comment/opinion on slightly laggy sensor being better for control or not. I think something else is at play that I’m just not aware of consciously. The way you objectively test your mice is the same way I do. Where everything is equalized from a look sensitivity standpoint (2.5 rotations in game) and then do a plethora of different Aim Lab scenarios to test flicks, micro adjustments, limited tracking, long tracking, and multiple target scenarios to name a few. As that helps me really feel a difference between them. Along with look at scores for a hopeful more objective measure. And as mentioned, in my experience (which isn't to say it should be everyone’s experience or correct), is that the Razer's sensors score higher than Logitech (HERO or HERO 2) across the board on all scenarios for me. But did see a slight bump with the HERO 2 compared to the HERO. The 3366 and the HERO sensor from my understanding/research are actually the same performance wise. With the HERO being 1. Made by Logitech in house and 2. Being more efficient from a battery/energy standpoint. 3. Also, able to be upgraded a bit more through firmware unlocking higher DPI. I too like the 3366 a lot. It was my favorite sensor before the HERO and Razers 5G sensor. Was recently testing some of my older mice and the 3366 did feel better than the HERO. And I wonder if that is due to the energy management or something. Or just placebo/different shape, size, weight. I think I would also agree at times the HERO/HERO2 feels great for long tracking. And thinking more critically on it, wonder if that is as you say. With the HERO having difficulty with micro adjustments makes tracking smoother because it isn't registering those small abnormalities/twitches as well as the Focus Pro which makes it feel more consistent/better. Whether or not that is actually the case. Definitely looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the HERO vs HERO 2 sensor. And think that you going ahead with the Superlight 2 is a good call. As it sounds like you really enjoy the HERO and Logitech mice/shapes. So it is worthy of at least trying. As for your last point, fascinating! From looking at spec sheets the HERO 2 I think improves that exact thing. Which may be one reason why I’m also feeling an improvement with it over the HERO 1. But otherwise essentially the same. As latency numbers appear to be the same from others who have the ability to test such things. @@pho0ey

[@pho0ey]

@@ThomasMuehler Thanks a lot for the extensive replies. Yes, so I'll definitely write back here when I receive it. Ordered the pink one 'cause it stands out and looks brilliant. Speaking of the 3366 vs hero, they are complerely different tbh. 3366 is literally the same as the 3360 made by pixart but tuned with logitech and pixart working together. I've literally used 3366 dumped SROMs on a custom made 3360 mouse - using a guide from qsxcv that shows you how to mod the microsoft classic intelli mouse shell with a tindie 3360 board + teensy 2.0. The only difference is one pin position swap on the chip which I accounted for in the code. If you're interested I can send you the files and the guide. And speaking of the mouse tester graphs, in case you want to have a look I can probably e-mail them to you. Maybe doing something from this angle can be a new video for you if enough people show interest. Although, techpowerup does this already, they don't really have many updates on mice regularly. Cheers man!

[@johannesmller3019]

I just ordered the og superlight, because I dont find the upgrades significant enough to justify the price difference. In my country the price difference is even bigger than you mentioned. Also, i’m coming from glorious model o wireless, so trying the egg shape will be interesting

[@kaamto6886]

lmk how it is im considering the same thing lmao

[@ThomasMuehler]

I would love to hear your opinion based once you get it in and try it out. Especially, compared to the Glorious Model O Wireless.

[@asksibeko8284]

i'm glad they didn't change the shape as it's probably the best shaped gaming mouse out there

[@ThomasMuehler]

I agree. Don't think the shape needed to be changed. But would have liked premium internals. Seeing as, like you, I think this is probably one of the best shaped mice in history.

[@ghjrdstzgjmxserzu]

Hi @Thomas - i like your funny comparison with this 2 mice (i subscribed)😊 I'm torn between Razer Viper 8K (or Mini) and the GPX (non-2) - btw: Do you have "german roots"? 😉

[@ThomasMuehler]

Welcome to the family! I'm glad you are here. The Viper 8K will have better performance (sensor and overall latency due to wired, higher polling rate, and optical switches. Arguably firmware). As the internals are slightly better. However, with it being wired I think it takes away some of the magic. But as with everything there is a trade. Those trades may be worth more or less depending on your own personal preferences. Shape can be quite hit or miss. Most people think the GPX clicks feel better (I personally think they are very close. But Vipers are louder). But the Viper's are optical which means they are immune to double clicks which is probably the main issue with the GPX. I also think Razer's optical switches are the best optical on the market (both feeling and performance wise). PTFE are better. Cost is better. Especially, looking holistically (at the whole mouse for what you pay). As for 4,000 and 8,000 Hz it uses more CPU. If your system isn't strong this could have negative side effects. Sometimes can cause frame drops (I haven't seen lately with older windows 11 update). Along with if you don't have high frames and high refresh monitor you may not see the benefits of higher polling rate anyways. As that is computer dependent (high-end system) paired with high level of aim skill paired with being sensitive to latency. Hot debate on the internet if higher polling rate is a gimmick or not. I don't think it is. But I'd go with the GPX. Safe shape, great performance, wireless, can find on sale (probably) with the GPX2 being out. Just feels a bit more high quality in the hand even if the performance isn't as good. Depending on level of skill you may not see a difference in performance. I think it weighs less which does make a difference in performance as well which may make it equal from a subjective standpoint. Still one of the most popular mice on the market. Costs more. Need third party feet as their PTFE is trash. Arguably some will say Logitech software is better than Razer. I disagree as I find it to perform better (less resources, boots faster, but is harder to navigate. Where Razer's is way easier to navigate but takes more resources, and sometimes doesn't boot fast and gets hung up). Scroll wheel is better on Viper. Side buttons are going to be a wash. I'm adopted so I have no idea about my roots. I've always thought more Irish. As I'm White AF to the point I'm reflective in the sun and I have a reddish tint to my hair/beard. But your guess is as good as mine. I could also be German!

[@bariqbta3624]

Hey man nice review it was so useful I have one question i don't know which one to buy i don't have both i can get the 1 for like 100 dollar and the 2 for 150 which one u think i should get Thx for the review

[@ThomasMuehler]

I think that really comes down to personal preference. I'm not sure how hardcore you are about gaming and having the latest and greatest or how much expendable income you have. The GPX 2 is superior. And the better mouse. But for $50 I'm not sure it is THAT much better. For me I always want the latest and greatest and didn't like a lot of the things about the GPX 1 that made the GPX 2 worth it for me. If you are similar to me in that then the GPX 2. If you don't care to have the latest and greatest, aren't super hardcore about gaming (as in always min maxing and going for the best ranks possible) and just play games casually and to have fun the GPX 1 is going to do be excellent. Even if you are trying to climb those leaderboards the GPX 1 is still a great mouse. With Black Friday here I'd imagine some good deals will be happening (if in US). Also, don't forget to use creator codes if ordering directly from logitech (like Shroud). As that will give you a discount.

[@bariqbta3624]

@@ThomasMuehler man u r the best thx alot ❤️❤️

[@ThomasMuehler]

I would love to hear which one you went with and your thoughts on it. @@bariqbta3624

[@strawjau8319]

Tks. So I noticed the little dot inside the scroll wheel at 6:30 . Tks god, mine has it to, and I was worried. Is that possible that the scroll wheel is damaged, if I can't feel the steps clearly defined?

[@ThomasMuehler]

Easy question, hard to answer. Yes, your scroll wheel could be damaged. But I'm not sure it is. Which is where it gets a bit complicated. 1. All scroll wheels have encoders. These encoders all have different feel. A bunch of stuff goes into how these feel. Some of them are supposed to be light, with non-defined steps. Others, heavy with very defined steps. With others some mixture of the two. 2. Logitech for their GPX tends to be light with lightly-defined steps. Which to me is it working as normal. But since I can't feel it for myself I can't tell you if your scroll wheel is within normal limits or defective. 3. Usually, when a wheel is defective it isn't a feel thing (unless you get serious grinding or something that is pretty obvious isn't supposed to be happening). But moreso the encoder either not registering when you scroll, scrolling too much, too little, or going up then down when you are only scrolling in a single direction. Which can also be from dust/debris. so blowing on it can sometimes fix the issue. But my guess is that your scroll wheel probably isn't defective. It just isn't your cup of tea (from a feel standpoint). Which is similar to me. I don't like the scroll wheel on the GPX at all.

[@strawjau8319]

Man, I want to thank u for answering my question, and there is nothing better than this feeling right now... I was waiting for something more superfluous but u got this at perfection.... Tks again!! ❤

[@dahuchsi]

First time coming accross your videos. I like your cadence and demeanor. Your "Character" isn't overdone, like many. I appreciate that. Kept it simple and gave me what I was looking for. With actual good points on what makes a great mouse. Much obliged. Admin, please promote.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Appreciate the encouragement and feedback!

[@seattlebicycler3657]

What I want to know is … when playing a FPS (COD) are the new optical switches quicker (response time) on the Superlight 2 than the mechanical switches in the original Superlight. Does anyone know? Thank you!!

[@ThomasMuehler]

Optical switches will always be faster than mechanical. As light is faster and they practically have no debounce delay (technically there is one because there has to be but it is insignificant). However, is that noticeable in game? No. I know some people have done some testing and it showed them being a bit faster. I don't remember the exact number but probably like 1 - 2 ms. Optical switches are also more robust and won't double click. But from a latency standpoint it isn't going to be something that makes a significant difference.

[@OniiKumaa]

how is the scroll wheel on the superlight 2? i have a superlight v1 and my scroll wheel jumps i.e. when i scroll up it registers a scroll down and vice versa. im planning to get a V2 if i dont get to fix my V1's scroll wheel.

[@ThomasMuehler]

It is trash. It's the same one. I actually hate it. Because the same thing happens to me as is happening to you. If you end up paying full price for a new one and the price difference isn't insane. I'd still go with the GPX 2. But again depends on price difference and assuming you aren't going through the RMA process.

[@OniiKumaa]

@@ThomasMuehler sad to hear that you're having the same issue. I went on reddit and found a fix. use a WD40 or any cleaner that doesn't conduct electricity and then spray on the left side of the scroll wheel. there's a video here on youtube on how to do it. it fixed my scroll wheel and feels like brand new. do it on your on risk though. I was willing to buy a new one that's why I tried it. also, thanks for replying!

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@OniiKumaa I appreciate the tip and glad it worked on yours. One of the issues with a lot of scroll wheel encoders is that if dust or debris gets into them that it can cause problems to occur. Usually that is the case for the cheaper encoders that Logitech has been known to use. Despite the price point of their mice which is disappointing. I think my biggest issue isn’t so much it jumping but with it being so light without dedicated steps it can sometimes sit in between a set and then move when I move the mouse causing it to jump. Or just not be as accurate as a lot of others. Which I didn’t explain all that well earlier. My apologies.

[@OniiKumaa]

@@ThomasMuehler No apologies needed. thank you for the feedback too! I agree. this was a known issue for Logitech and the price should have been cheaper if they're gonna use a cheap encoder.

[@enyu2855]

I wish 2 came with the red color. I might end up buying the OG one bcuz I really wanna put a difference in color on my setup

[@ThomasMuehler]

I am 100% there with you. I would have loved a red GPX2. Was bummed that it didn't launch with that color. I'm sure it will come out eventually. Be special edition and they will charge and extra $20 bucks for it. Because... well Logitech.

[@eSnipes2000]

Looking for a new gaming mouse should I just get the super light 2 or is there something else better

[@ThomasMuehler]

In my review I talk about a lot of other alternatives. Such as: - Razer Viper V2 Pro - Deathadder V3 Pro - Razer Cobra Pro - Lamzu (company heard good things) - Endgame (company heard good things) But I do think this is a solid option that you can't go wrong with. I do think that Razer Mice are the penical of performance right now. Shapes/Coating tend to be highly subjective from them. Where Logitech tends to nail shape/coating/overall feel.

[@spacethingiss]

im upgrading from a g402 ive used that mouse for 2-3 years but its just really heavy and i wanna upgrade to something wireless within a 100$ budget which mouse is the best i use palm grip (for fps games like val)

[@ThomasMuehler]

I'd look at Pulsar and Lamzu as they do a good job for the price point and are right around that $80 - $100. Asus has some good products as well that you should be able to get around that price on sale. Palm grip tends to be a bit harder as most FPS mice are made for claw/fingertip and medium-ish in size (over large). If you can find the Razer Deathadder V3 Pro on sale that would be my number 1 pick. But is $150 retail so out of your budget. I enjoyed the Lamzu Atlantis a lot. And depending on size of hand would work for palm. The GPX1 could be on sale and would work. Again, depends on hand size as may be too small. And would be a good option. I enjoyed the Corsair Sabre Pro Wireless. As that is good for palm and I enjoyed it a lot. And that is all of them that I can think of off the top of my head.

[@ChefCurry420]

my scroll wheel is as silent as an assassin. holding a microphone also makes it seem much louder then it really is.

[@Nonapus1]

Just snagged an OG superlight for 109 at Best Buy. I had no intention of buying a second one, but the sale was too good and I'll just use my OG non-superlight for on the go. Win Win. Great video, you earned my sub.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Nice! I'm excited for you. Also, welcome to the family Jarret Trexler. I'm glad you're here.

[@trey4048]

Just bought the superlight last night, didn't realize second was out. Glad I have no buyers remorse lol

[@ironoreiron]

so in the end they are exactly the same and there is no point in spending an extra $60 on nothing 😊

[@ThomasMuehler]

That is probably more accurate than inaccurate. I think the biggest difference is clicks and possible longevity of clicks.

[@makuuu3309]

which one is better for me to get, logitech g pro x superlight 2 or razer viper v2 pro?

[@ThomasMuehler]

I don't think you can go wrong with either one. Both are S-Tier mice. The Viper V2 Pro is going to be more future proof and have better objective performance. But the shape tends to be more hit or miss for people. Whereas, Logitech is still going to perform excellently, just slightly behind the Viper. But has a safe shape that most people really enjoy. Software for both have their issues. With Logitech is just isn't user friendly. Whereas, Razer's tends to be bit moody, takes a while to boot up, and sometimes doesn't work correctly. But is a lot more intuitive and easier to use. I think the clicks are superior on the Viper as are the side buttons and scroll wheel. So, I personally find the Viper to be a better bang for your buck and better mouse all around. But I reach for my Superlight 2 often as well. But the PTFE on the Superlight are bad and you'll likely want third party skates. Such as the glass skates from Pulsar. But make sure to put the LOD to high or else it won't track correctly. Which leads me back to the original sentence of you can't go wrong with either one.

[@makuuu3309]

great! thank you

[@LordMidichlorian]

The new is excluded from consideration like the first from the bad feet, I hear often "buying third party skates for it". A mouse at 150€ that "needs" aftermarket replacements out of the box for parts that are mediocre is just inacceptable. A mouse of that price needs to excel in everything. The only point I would give leeway for less than ideal is the charging cable since it's meant to be used wirelessly. Any other mouse with as low LOD as the low in this?

[@ThomasMuehler]

I agree. I hear about "buying third party skates" all the time. Which is why I was so surprised that they didn't change it for the Superlight 2. Because I'm with you, at the premium price range of $160 (which is $10 more than their competitor Razer at $150, who also tends to go on sale for $100, where this is $130) there is zero acceptable reasons on why this is priced that way. As like you say, everything should be top marks. As for low LOD. I think Razer's is pretty darn low. And there are a lot of them in general that are quite low. But I do think the Logitech's is probably one of the lowest.

[@LordMidichlorian]

@@ThomasMuehler Thank you.

[@Katze822228]

I think the reason why logitech puts scratchy stock skates on their mice is that they are harder so they last longer. Skates like tiger ice are softer so they don't last as long. And the majority of people probably don't want to buy new skates after a year or two. But realistically logitech shoud put softer skates on the mouse and include a replacement set. There are other companies that do that.

[@deananderson8186]

On the plus side the original is on sale now

[@ThomasMuehler]

Valid and exceptional point. lol. Lowest prices I've seen.

[@ericfernandez9992]

Which one do you recommend 1 or 2?

[@ThomasMuehler]

I like 2 better. As I think it is a better mouse than 1. However, if you already own the 1 it is not worth upgrading to the 2. And depending on sales the price difference between the 2 vs the 1 may not be worth the benefits making 1 the better choice. It really comes down to you and how much money you are willing to spend.

[@amm9653]

For me, the type c port is enough reason to upgrade. When I bought the superlight, I was so pissed that it had a micro usb port (I also bought the Logitech G915 tkl that same day, which also has a micro usb port🤦

[@ThomasMuehler]

Yeah, Logitech was very slow in adopting USB-C. But I'm glad they have finally caught up. It is nice to finally be able to simplify some of the cables on my desk.

[@samrrae]

I'm thinking of buying a new mouse since I'm coming from a corsair with cable. The truth I see quite expensive the super light 2 but coming from another type of mouse, i don't know if is a good idea the superlight 1 since after all it is an older version... What can you recommend me? I understand that those who already have the 1 are not worth upgrading at all

[@ThomasMuehler]

After sitting with it for some more time the Superlight 2 has really grown on me. I recommend watching my review on the mouse if you haven't for my full thoughts. But if you are buying a Superlight, I would go with the Superlight 2 over 1 unless if you get the Superlight 1 for a lot less (greater than $40). As I think the improvements you get for $40 or less is justifiable. Especially, if you are someone who rarely upgrades their mouse.

[@samrrae]

@@ThomasMuehler I have only seen the video where you compared them. If you have another one with an exclusive review of the superlight 2 I will watch it for sure. My goal is to use it for gaming and I've already had 2 corsair harpoon (30€) and an ironclow (60€) all three with cable (120€ without feeling pleased) but the feeling doesn't seem so great. On the other hand in the last 6 years I have used for work 2 Logitech M280 and the feeling and quality is incredible for day to day. I don't think Corsair is quite up to the quality of Logitech yet. However I was considering my options superlight 2 (quite expensive for 170€) logitech G305 (40€) and corsair Katar elite (75€). Without being shy, could you tell me what you think? without fear that I will judge you, I know that the final decision is mine, I'm just looking for a direct opinion

[@ThomasMuehler]

Here is a link to my review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aF7Cnpxpn7Gpbqs . You can also see it by going to the videos on my channel. I agree that Corsair when it comes to their gaming mice are meh. I’ve never had a Corsair mouse match the same quality/feel that I get from Razer, Logitech, or some of the new up and comers such as Lamzu. While the Corsair Katar Elite looks interesting I wouldn’t buy it as there are better options on the market for a similar/same price. If you are spending 150 - 170 I’d recommend checking out the Razer Viper V2 Pro (150), Razer Deathadder V3 Pro (150), and Razer Cobra Pro (130). I have reviews of the Deathadder and Viper on my channel as well. As those three are going to be the best mice you can get on the market right now from a spec standpoint and my recommendation. Razer shapes tend to be inferior to Logitech shapes, but Logitech falls behind on the specs so that is the trade. Lots will argue “shape is king”. While I mostly agree with that statement, I think other aspects should be considered (shape, size, weight, specs, click feel, coating, PTFE feet, price, etc.). Razer’s specs do provide a noticeable improvement which makes that metric important to me. Whereas, nearly every other mouse on the market will have the same or similar enough specs it doesn’t matter, in which case shape, size, weight will be far more critical. Logitech G305 is a solid mouse. Old and a bit outdated. But for the price is an excellent option. But using physical batteries is a mixed bag. As it can add a lot of weight, cost (in the long run), and balance issues. Superlight 2 is a solid option. I’ll keep this minimal as you’ve watched this video and will watch my review. But the Viper/Deathadder/Cobra are all better and what I would choose instead. Unless if you find you hate those shapes and love the Superlight shape. Some other considerations would be the Razer Viper V3 Hyperspeed (70). I like everything about this mouse except that it also uses batteries and has a higher up sensor that makes my aim not as premium as normal. Viper Orochi is a great choice and in competition with the G305. But I think better in every category (also have a comparison on my channel). I forgot the price, same issue with using a AA/AAA battery. If you don’t mind wires the Deathadder V3 comes with a wired or wireless edition and the wired version comes with 8,000 Hz polling. Where all the other Razer mice (other than the Orochi) support 4,000 Hz with a separate purchase of a HyperSpeed Dongle (30). But can be 15 if you buy it bundled directly from Razer. Lamzu Atlantis/Atlantis Mini is a solid mouse for 99. But I wasn’t a big fan of the Atlantis shape. Pulsar and Sora are also two that I hear about all the time on Mouse Review Reddit and from other Mouse Reviewers that seem extremely well liked and come around the 99 - 120 range. The best thing about Logitech/Razer are they have great/premium hardware specs along with premium software/firmware which makes their hardware specs even better. Where a lot of the Lamzu/Sora/Pulsar may have great specs but their firmware isn’t as fleshed out which makes them perform not as good. An example I like to use comparing the best of the best mice is if you have a Lamborghini and a McLaren they are both supercars and perform so much better than most other cars on the road that the average joe won’t feel the difference. However, if you own both or deep dive you will be able to tell the differences. The line between high end (99 - 130) mice compared to premium end (150 - 200) is starting to blur. But still think the premium tiered mice have some magic sauce making them better. Usually with premium hardware/software, great designs, extremely well balanced (which makes a big difference), lightweight, and great feeling clicks/buttons/scroll wheel. I’d be interested in hearing which you go with and your thoughts on it. @@samrrae

[@samrrae]

Thomas first of all thank you for taking the time to answer the comments, they make me value more your opinions based on your experiences and I feel that I receive a very objective feedback. I have already seen the full video of the superlight 2 and you open up another world that I had not considered with the Razer, which I understand for a similar price I could get better features, quality and performance, so now I will go into my own research and your other video reviews to make comparisons. I must say that I have only seen the Razer viper v2 pro and I already see better qualities and for 130€ (Germany) I definitely think that the superlight 2 will be discarded. Really thanks for your comments, for sure I will ask you more questions now related to the Razer and 100% guaranteed that when I find the right one I will let you know all my impressions. @@ThomasMuehler

[@argnentum]

Bro these mouses are same in everything expect charge cable else is marketing

[@brunoaly637]

Great video man, thanks for the info

[@Neonloverx]

whats the best mouse feet for gpro x. for games like valorant. corepads or any other

[@ThomasMuehler]

Hopefully, someone else will come along and give you a better answer. As I'm not a good one to ask, as I tend to not focus too much on PTFE feet, or swap them from the originals all that often. With that disclaimer out of the way. Mice feet are pretty personal and how they pair to your mouse mat style to provide your preference of control, speed, and I'm sure there are others. The ones that I bought are the Suplerglide 2 from Pulsar glass skates. Here's a link which by the way is an amazon associates link where I earn a small commission at no extra cost to you. Feel free to NOT use that link. amzn.to/3v4UPHc I like the Superglide's a lot as they are more of a smooth/fast glide on my Glorious XXL mousepad as they are glass. Which I think is more of a hybrid or control pad.

[@almo9060]

OG is my favourite mouse but the scroll is absolute garbage, it scrolls wherever it wants and plenty of people have the exact same problem. Hope they changed the whole thing inside to something that works.

[@ThomasMuehler]

My first one (the one in this video) had some problems. Where while it didn't randomly scroll it didn't necessarily stick well between steps which made it hard to be accurate with in game. Middle click was also bad. But returned that one. The pink one is dramatically improved. Where I haven't had issues. But also, have never had issues with scroll wheels really. Outside of that black version and Finalmouse. It does feel different than the OG. But not sure how much they changed it.

[@repen7277]

Is it worth to swtich from a HyperX Pulsefire Haste to a superlight 2?

[@ThomasMuehler]

I'm just about to sit down and record my Review for the GPX 2. Which baring everything goes smoothy should be releasing tomorrow at 8am. Which should answer your question. Short answer. Yes, I think you'll see an improvement. But I think is it worth it is hard to say yes or no to as that is highly subjective.

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

This is why, being a former user of logitech mice (G and MX series) as soon as CS got serious after being bought by valve, I value less and less logitech. I think I've said in previous comments that prices were high with tech advances not following the market prices for gaming mice, so I switched to razer buying an outdated mouse - that I still like a lot, the mamba wireless. And what we've got here are minor changes with few consumer gains at the same price level. my viper 2 pro was a big step in helping me improving my gaming experience, as the tech was suberb and not only the tech. Same with the dav3 pro, which for my use is still an upgrade of the v2p. Heck, even the "problematic" cobra performs very well for me (I would ditch the docking charging, rgb, and most likely the rubber grips pre installed on the sides, but there's a lot of discussion about this topic and I just sum up my opinion by stating razer was not available to invest in r&d for 2 similar mice, a "v2pro mini" for real pros - no rgb, docking, etc - and a "v2pro mini" for hardcore fans of docking systems and battery consuming rgb, both adding weight to the mouse. It was a compromise to please all and failled to do it cause it just pleases partially all of the two distinct universe of users), it's small but a bit more weight in this case helps to better manouver the mouse (imo) and the tech gap (mainly sensor with normalized 4khz with hyperpolling regarding cordless mice) when compared to other versions. I'm not that young no more so wrist comfort is a major factor of decision. I can play a game in a day with the dav3p, changing to the v2p, and also changing to the cobra to reduce grip fatigue - and it works just fine as both mice don't really overperfom and I'm used to the three at this point. my wrists thank me. Looking at logitech line right now, the same with zowies and corsair, etc, I can't see I would be able to spare my wrist from fatigue as there are not top mice with sensors like the ones in the last 3 razer mice I mentioned and their built form apply very well to my medium sized hands (yes, I have a favourite and that would be the dav3p, although I agree is not shapped for all people, as many are use for so many years to the shame shape, following the saying "if its not broken don't fix it". unfortunately such mentality also prevents innovation too many times, betting more on the certainty of the income of a certain model rather than in users better experience. There's no chance here taken by most big brands. Razer with the dav3p suprised everybody and a mouse firstly hated by some become more and more loved with time. Well, this are just my 2 cents, very concise and not very directed too such diversity in gaming mice nowadays, and there are companies stagnating there are also others doing a pretty good job and others even an outsanding one (here kudos to Vaxee, ex zowie employees tired of the same everyday and that were able to innovate and also, at least a bit, obligated Zowie to rethink the "dead waters" strategy, something that others are also doing like logitech as very well explained in this very entertaining, realist and honest video. So kudos also for Thomas for bringing us tireless new pearls at a production speed that is good to see, mainly because it does not affect at all the high quality of the videos. Cheers.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Always love reading your rundowns! Thanks for sticking around and watching my content! Very much appreciated. Completely agree that Logitech’s price trend keeps going up with the tech advantages not following suit. Also, agree on the Viper V2 Pro, DAV3, and I think you nailed the Cobra as well. It’s a solid mouse. But isn’t exactly what either group wants. All of them should technically perform the same. With the only differences being weight and shape. Totally agree on the “if it isn’t broken don’t fix it” leading to lack of innovation. I’m always a fan of trying something new and seeing how it comes out. But also, know not as many people like to be on the cutting edge. Also, agree that lately, a lot of the big brands, not just in mice, but in general have been playing it rather safe. With minimal upgrades. Which is a shame. But perhaps a by product of the times we are in. Another great point. Where there are other companies that are picking up the slack from the big guys. And I’m always a fan of the under dog winning. And like you Said Vaxee and plenty of other smallter brands are making excellent mice. Such as Lamzu. And honestly, I prefer a bunch of small guys battling it out. Instead of just two huge ones.

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

@@ThomasMuehler Hi there. Out of topic. Received a mail from Razer today as it seems they launched the viper v3 Hyperspeed (seen the specs, written reviews and some videos here already). I'm rather enthusiastic about the new shape of of the v v3. But the downsides are a downer and surely a no go (it may seem like a tantrum of some kind or something, but I refuse to play, even to home or academic - I'm also an academic regarding my work - office a battery (AA, for what it seems) cordless mouse in 2023; not even since at least 2017/18. Last time I used one was the Logitech Laser MX-700 (with a charging dock and 1 AA battery) and I also had both the MX-1000 and later the MX-1100, which if I recall right already had their own rechargeable Lithium/ion battery. I think the MX-510(?), MX-518 (built in gaming mice, even if mx series) was corded and also some of the old G series I had, like 2 G5 (one blue, other gray), G9 and guess that's it; all pre historic by current days standards. Question is do you think to make a video on it, but more than that, do you think we'll see such shape in a, let's say, viper v3 pro? If so will they change the "carcass" only or will razer improved the already mad sensor 30k dpi? I'd very much like your opinion on the topic, if you have time and interest (just an add up to my original post, maybe unexpected even to me, the best performance I've been achieving on CS:GO at present time - I did it just to compare how I'd perform with the viper v2 pro, dav3p, and the cobra "pro" - is, by a comfortable margin, the cobra in 8khz in a 240hz refresh rate screen and raw mouse input in the game; as sensorwise their all kind of brothers, it can only be because of shape, size and/or (more) weight; I refuse to expend here in Europe almost 300€ for a v2 mini signature version and I also don't like it's open shape cause I don't want those prints on my hands :) and because it's a nuisance to clean - and 300€ it's the sum of the vv2pro with the dav3p combined or any of this combined with the new viper mini, the cobra. Hope to hear your opinion soon if the subject interests you. Cheers.

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@Maddog-xc2zv I got the same thing! Am also enthusiastic about the new shape and hesitant about the AA battery. However, at $70 and it being their “HyperSpeed” aka Budget line it makes sense to me and I’m not too bothered. And first impression (of not trying the mouse and just seeing the marketing) I think is great bang for your buck and as a budget mouse will be a serious contender for many. I got a bit too excited so ordered one yesterday. I will be doing a video on it. Perhaps multiple depending on a few different factors. Yes, I do think we will see the same shape in the Viper V3 Pro. I’d be very surprised if we didn’t. As I think the old Viper shape has reached its final form with the Viper Ultimate and Viper V2 Pro. Great question on do I think they will change the “carcass” only or also the internals. My assumption/guess. Is that we will see the new shape on the V3 Pro which will be the biggest change. They’ll likely say “Gen 4 Optical Switches” even though they are essentially the same as the Gen 1 switches, just with tighter tolerances and is mostly marketing of showing something “new and shiny”. And honestly, wouldn’t be surprised if they came out with a new Hybrid switch like Logitech (where it is an optical switch with mechanical components for that feel) and think that would be the most likely change outside of shape. I can’t see them moving to an even better sensor. Especially, since the Focus Pro is currently at a significant lead. I think even if they had the tech they’d hold onto it until new competition arises. But who knows on that one? But highly suspect that the V3 Pro will have the same wireless tech as found in the Viper Mini SE and it will unlock 8,000 Hz (compared to the current 4,000 Hz) with the previous dongles (hopefully) and won’t require a new one. Otherwise would be the same from a battery, side button, scroll wheel, PTFE feet, charging port, etc. So to summarize, different shape, increase polling rate from 4,000 Hz to 8,000 Hz, and perhaps a new primary switch. Weight reduction is also a possibility. But I think unlikely or to be negligible. Also, all this is 100% my opinion as I haven’t seen anything to confirm/deny anything. So could be completely wrong. Also, interesting that you find improved performance with the Cobra Pro over the DAV3 and V2 Pro. But also, not all that unexpected. As I do think shape/size is more important than weight. As I find the goldilocks range for weight to be between 60 - 80 grams for most people. Where anything more/less tends to be more subjective and can either lead to either an increase OR decrease in performance. I haven’t tried the Cobra Pro still. As money is extremely tight right now and with me having the Mini SE (along with some other mice with similar shapes) I can’t justify it. But would make the same argument of if you like the Cobra Pro and don’t have issues with the subjective short givings that buying a mouse for 300 euros is silly when it is essentially the same thing, just different material, and weight.

[@Maddog-xc2zv]

@@ThomasMuehler Thanks for your kind answer with your very solid opinion (i would would never ask for a compromise regarding the performance of a "to be" product:)). I forgot to made that point, it's hard to beat such sensor, but I also questioned myself if they would step up from 4 to 8kzh wireless mice. all other points are also great, I read your words fast but sure with utmost interest regarding what I was reading. See you soon in your next video and thanks again (not all channel owners are so nice to followers as you are). Cheers!

[@jwgroup]

i just bought a new og superlight and superlight 2. Comming from someone who have never owned a superlight, i like the superlight 2 better. I think its worth the extra 30-40 dollars if you searching for a new mice.

[@ThomasMuehler]

I greatly appreciate you sharing your experience! Can I ask you more specifically on why you prefer the Superlight 2 over the OG Superlight? BTW I agree. I'd pay the extra for the Superlight 2 as well. But not sure how popular that opinion is.

[@jwgroup]

​@@ThomasMuehler superlight 2 has more accurate tracking and i like the clicks on superlight 2 better. its sharper and more crisp. A lot of reviewers said it's stiff but its not bad actually. its just as spammable as the og superlight. BTW great video

[@ThomasMuehler]

​@@jwgroup Appreciate you sharing your thoughts! Absolutely loved reading through it. Agree on the more accurate tracking/feel along with clicks being sharper and more crisp. Both of mine are very spammable as well. But the pink is a bit harder. Which is a bit weird. I did get a second GPX 2 (for price reasons) and did find a good difference between the two which was surprising. The clicks on my Black GPX 2 were very light. Where the clicks on my pink GPX 2 are more stiff. My scroll wheels are also quite different. With my black one being more soft with a mushy middle click. Where the pink is more stiff/defined with a great middle click. But I'm still very much in the testing phase. And wondering if 1. Break in period. 2. Got unlucky and just happened to get two wildly variance mice that is not the norm. So comments like this help a ton! Thank you.

[@npurushotham94]

Should I buy g pro x superlight2 with 3or4 dollars mousepad or else buy super light 1 with zowie gsr mousepad

[@ThomasMuehler]

So, I'm not a mousepad guy. That is one of the few rabbit holes I have not gone down. Making me not a good one to ask. From the minimal testing that I've done (again not an expert) I don't see a big difference with the different mousepads I've tried. Mostly, I've seen a difference in how "slick" a mouse pad is. Along with materials and it having stitching on the ends. Making it so most of this is cosmetic. Which isn't to say there isn't more depth. I just am not sure how much this actually matters big picture. But again, not a rabbit hole I've explored fully. Personally, I would buy the Superlight 2. Then down the line buy a higher end mousepad like Zowie GSR. As I think long-term that is the best cost-to-benefit ratio.

[@Crudeh]

So i really enjoy the shape of the original g pro wireless so would you recommend me buying the super light 1 or 2 as I am planning on upgrading

[@ThomasMuehler]

I think that's why I made this video. To give you all the information at my disposal to make an informed decision on if going with the OG or Superlight 2 would be best for your own personal preferences. I would personally buy the Superlight 2. As for $30 more (or if you use a coupon code like Shroud you can get a discount directly at Logitech and get it for less) I find the HERO 2, 2,000 Hz, improved scroll wheel, and Optical switches worth it. But it is minor changes and I tend to lean spending more to get something slight improved. As i also get left with what if a lot.

[@almo9060]

Get the 2!!! The original has the worst scroll in any mouse. Give it a few months and it starts scrolling in random directions and more than once per each scroll which is also on a random basis. There were a ton of complaints about it so I assume it is fixed now but who knows.

[@PewPewChef]

I keeping coming back to my black gpx2 after using the Fantech aria xd7 and the pulsar x2h size 2

[@ThomasMuehler]

It's a solid mouse. They did a good job. That shape man, it just works.

[@Aced91]

unfortunately for me i cant rest my hand (grip claw) on those small mice, i do have big palms/fingers and i had to go with Deathadder

[@ThomasMuehler]

That's unfortuante. But depending on the deathadder you got, I think you still came out with a superior mouse. How are you liking the deathadder?

[@dobridin]

I found the OG for 95USD, compared to the 2 for 150. Don't think it's worth the extra

[@ThomasMuehler]

I and I think a lot of other concur. Very hard to justify.

[@ART-gn3ps]

I never use wireless mouse since I somehow use it just for work (MX Anywhere 3) but prefer wired for gaming. This time I will try GPX2 because I never had GPX before. Still happy with my G102 because somehow it's been 3 years and no issues were found and never claim but this time I will put it as my second mouse. Yes I saw many other brand that might be definitely better but as someone who stick to this brand because of my first impression on G102 and MX Anywhere I will stick to this for a while. I somehow managed to get GPX2 with around 107$ so it's a reasonable price for me. Will see if there's any issue that could make me change my mind.

[@ThomasMuehler]

I think that reasoning makes total sense. $107 is a great price. Would love to hear your thoughts on it once you try it out. Especially, in comparison to the MX Anywhere and G102.

[@ART-gn3ps]

MX series is mostly for work and G102 or gaming series is as its name so there will be 2 different perspective for me. MX Anywhere 3 the shape and size is fit for my hand but for those who has big hand might not fit for this. It works better with Logi Options+ (gaming series will be Logi G Hub or something) and this software allows you to config your mouse to match your preference. The part I like for MX Anywhere is it works on both Windows and Mac and since I work with Mac I feel like this is awesome because Mac has lots of gesture that normal mouse cannot handle but MX will solve this issue. Also it allows to switch between 3 different devices as well as setup so it is very convenient and I really love this. The only bad part is the switch that even you use it carefully it will still last for 1-2 years and you will start facing with double click problem.

[@ART-gn3ps]

G102 is the first and only mouse that I personally use for more than 3 years. I would say that maybe I'm lucky to get the one with very high durability but that doesn't mean the others will be the same. One of my friend facing double click problem (maybe Omron common issue) after using for 1.5 years. The shape and size is perfectly fit my hand and yes as I mentioned I have small hand so bigger hand might feel not comfortable with this. The weight is somehow lighter than MX maybe because it is a budget series but that is not an issue for me. I'm not that competitive player so with this mouse is enough for me. Overall it is a choice that for me I think you never go wrong with this but if you have more budget then yes I think other series will definitely better than this. Considering its price I got it for less than 20$ and the performance I think this is awesome if you are not someone who prefer wireless or lots of options/configuration to the mouse.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Wonderful rundown on both the G102 and MX. Appreciate you taking the time to write that all out for us!@@ART-gn3ps As for the double click problems. Those tend to be from Logitech not using as high quality switches as they should. Which has been a common issue for them. And is also a common issue for certain mechanical switches. And all mechanical switches have a chance of developing double clicks.

[@LiquidSion212]

Been through 3 superlights. Build quality is horrid first one had double clicking the second had scroll wheel issues. and the warranty logitech offers for such an expensive high end cheaply made mouse is embarrassing, rep told me there were out of stock on warranty superlights even though they had stock in the sales department making me wait months for a replacement. I am trying out the SL2 hoping they fixed these issues but if they haven't I am done with logitech.

[@ThomasMuehler]

That's crazy. I'm sorry to hear you've been through it. That's no fun. Hopefully the SL2 works out better for you. Unfortunately, I don't think a lot has changed. Except they use optical switches but I've heard from a few they are still having problems. And mine feel gross. Scroll wheel on mine sucks too.

[@kurilive]

bro if they made a red version of the gpx superlight 2 I'd be buying it

[@ThomasMuehler]

I feel you. I was wanting a red version myself over the pink. They'll release it in red eventually.

[@luxit174]

Hii. (: I had the normal one twice. Both times my scroll wheel broke after a few weeks. When I scroll it scrolls in both directions, wich makes scrolling horrible... xD

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@luxit174 How frustrating. I think that’s one of the risks of having such a light scroll wheel. I’m not a fan of it personally. Due to that reason. While mine isn’t defective. It isn’t reliable because of how light it is. Making the same thing happen to me in games when I’m only do a single click scroll thing. But is fine when scrolling normal windows. I would except better on a flagship product though. As I’ve gotten a lot of comments on scroll wheel issues.

[@tigrux]

Excellent video production.

[@ThomasMuehler]

Tried something new this time around. I liked it.

[@SnackZatPC]

never had superlight 1 and im loving my superlight 2 and i for one have got atleast 5-10% better accuracy.

[@ThomasMuehler]

That's awesome man! I'm glad you are enjoying it. I don't think I mentioned this in the video. But I think the reason why I didn't notice a big difference between the GPX 1 and GPX 2 sensor is because I'm lucky enough to be in a position where I've tried a better product (the Focus Pro) so it changes my bar of expectation. And anything behind that bar won't be as exciting to me as someone who hasn't experienced that. If that makes sense. I definitely enjoy the GPX 2 more than the GPX 1. It continues to be on my desk and will continue to be there for some time. But if I'm wanting to be competitive I'm reaching for the Viper V2 Pro or Viper Mini SE.

[@12-fr3kv]

if youre looking for a good mouse with long battery life just get a g603 its with batteries but that doesnt make it bad. I have last switched the batteries in 2019 and i play min 3 hours a day with this mouse.Its great!But i dont know if i should switch to a newer mouse

[@ThomasMuehler]

Honestly, if you are still enjoying yours and there isn't anything that you feel is holding back your performance then there is no reason to upgrade. As the chase for the "next best thing" never ends. With that said, I do think there has been several changes since the G603 launched. You have better sensors, higher polling rate, lighter mice, better battery life (for the mice that have rechargeable batteries as the sensors are more accurate while using less energy), USB-C charging, perhaps lower latency firmware (as I think the G603 performs rather good in that aspect). But honestly after testing a bunch of different mice. They are all essentially the same and my performance from one to the other is essentially the same. Outside of some outliers that are just knocking everything out of the park.

[@knowyourjoe8826]

Ok, so here we are at Cyber Monday 2023 and I can get the V1 Superlight for $100 vs $160 for the V2. Worth the difference? What do you think? V1 or V2?

[@ThomasMuehler]

I don’t think my original reply went through. So round 2. It really comes down to personal preference. The 2nd one is better. Technically. I enjoy it a lot more. If you go to Logitech’s Website and use a creator code (like Shroud) or another creator you want to support that has a relationship with Logitech it will give you a discount. making it less than $60 difference. Which may make it easier. But technically, you could use the same code on the GPX (if on sale on their website). So, really still a wash. If you are an average player and/or a casual player that isn’t striving to always improve and go for those top ranks then the performance increase from the 1 to the 2 will likely be lost on you and saving the money will be better. If you are highly competitive and always pushing yourself to be at the top of the leaderboards then you may see an improvement in scores with the 2 making the upgrade worth the price increase. As I find the sensor, optical switches, and 2,000 Hz to give me an improvement over the 1. Where the 1 left my desk a long time ago. But I find myself using the 2 semi often just because it feels good and the performance is close enough to my other top mice I’m okay with the trade of losing some performance for comfort and something different. Like I’m happy I got the 2 and would make that choice again. But I’m also a moron who likes to have the latest and greatest and is willing to be extra stupid and buy something that gives me a incremental upgrade that I then make the excuse of “I have a KZbin channel” so that’s why I do it. When really that’s just a cover to help sell my poor investment choices. Which I’m only half kidding about. lol. The 1 definitely takes the cake for the best performance to value. As it does 90% of what the 2 does. I forgot about the USB-C charging which depending on user could be huge and worth it by itself. You can’t go wrong with either one. I’d love to hear which one you go with.

[@knowyourjoe8826]

Thanks, Will let you know. There is more to this decision than I stated with multiple dynamics at play. Funny how some things so seemingly simple become so complex. Didn't want to bore you with the details. I sincerely appreciate your quick and thorough reply. @@ThomasMuehler

[@ThomasMuehler]

You can bore me with the specifics. That usually helps me give a better answer.And I totally get the dynamics part. It always seems simple on the surface. But never is in reality.@@knowyourjoe8826

[@knowyourjoe8826]

I keep posting a reply and it keeps diappearing... idk why @@ThomasMuehler

[@ThomasMuehler]

That sounds super frustrating. I'm not sure why it is doing that. Have you tried typing it up in like a word document (that way you don't have to keep retyping it)? Then posting a new comment instead of a reply? @@knowyourjoe8826

[@mes2009]

Is worth it upgrade from razer orochi v2 to gpx 2 ?

[@ThomasMuehler]

I think both of them are excellent mice. My first gut reaction was yes. But upon further pondering I still think yes but with some asterisks *. 1. Sensor. 5G sensor vs HERO 2 is going to be very similar. I almost want to lean 5G is slightly better. But honestly don't have any real evidence to support that. 2. Clicks are highly subjective in feel. But I think the GPX 2 is going to be more crisp. Also, optical which means they are superior from a tech/latency standpoint. 3. Side buttons are a wash. 4. Shape is going to be subjective again. But GPX2 is one of the most safe and best shapes on the market. But is a larger mouse. 5. Battery life and weight will be better with the GPX 2. But this comes down to what battery you are using on how big a difference this is. 6. Scroll wheel. Been a while since I tried my Orochi. But I think similar again. 7. 2,000 Hz over 1,000 Hz. I think this is a very small. But can be noticeable bump in feel. But essentially inconsequential. Where I'd argue 4,000 and 8,000 is a more significant and noticeable bump. Conclusion: The biggest difference will be shape/size and click feel. I think most of the other stuff will be essentially a wash. As I can't think of anything that really separates the two outside of shape/size/weight/click feel. Whereas, with the Viper V2 Pro/Deathadder V3 Pro. Again shape/size/weight difference. But you get 4,000 Hz (with additional purchase), much better sensor, better battery life, optical switches as well, and more adjustable LOD settings. I forgot weight balancing for all three mice will be better.

[@tommy6742]

The clicks are really nice and crisp on the superlight 2. Worthy upgrade over the old one and a good buy for anyone that doesn't own a superlight already.

[@ThomasMuehler]

I agree on the clicks. Am still on the fence about a worthy upgrade but leaning more towards agreement there. And for the most part agree with the last part of a good buy for anyone who doesn't own a superlight already. But again, still think that for the same price you can get better mice so it depends on multiple factors. But truly appreciate your two cents! Keep it coming.

[@zior92]

What other mice would you say is better?@@ThomasMuehler

[@mrsocrates2211]

Is Ninjutso sora 4k better than this?

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@zior92 I mention a lot of them in my normal review. But I'd say you get equal performance (if not better) from a lot of $99 mice such as Lamzu, Endgame, Pulsar. Also, Viper V2 Pro, Deathadder V3 Pro, and Viper Mini SE are all better in nearly every category while costing less (except for the SE). The Finalmouse Ultralight X may be a top contender (if their BullSh*t marketing actually proves to be true, which would be rare and shocking). The Viper V3 Hyperspeed is very good for $70. But has some negatives such as using a normal battery and front end sensor. Cobra is also great. This makes me sound like a Razer fan boy. But they have the best tech on the market right now and have released multiple products with their high end specs which is why I bring them up a lot. But the other brands I mentioned have a lot of good mice too I just don't know their names as well off the top of my head as I haven't tried them. But have heard a lot of buzz around them. Have tried Lamzu Atlantis and you can check my review for my thoughts on them. Which isn't to say this is a bad mouse by any means. I love it, it has really grown on me, and I will continue to use it and it will stay on my desk for the forseeable future (whereas the GPX had not been on my desk for some time now). But I just think it is overpriced. Put it at $130 and it would be nearly unbeatable.

[@ThomasMuehler]

I haven't tried it personally, but I've heard great things. With me not trying it I can't give you an in-depth answer on which would be best.@@mrsocrates2211

[@eayzzn]

Is it worth to Upgrade from Logitech G Pro X to Superlight 2?

[@ThomasMuehler]

That was the purpose of this video. If it didn't answer your question then I clearly failed.

[@VibinMoNsTeR]

I want to use grip tape on super light 2 but the grip tape says it’s for super light will it still work

[@ThomasMuehler]

Yes it will. Same shape.

[@hurpaderpp]

Where did you get the pink one for 124??? I want that one haha

[@ThomasMuehler]

I didn't know that Logitech has Creator Codes like "Shroud" that can give you a discount. I forgot to do that my first time ordering so I reached out after the fact to support to see if I could add it. I couldn't but they helped out by giving me a discount on my next order.

[@XtrminatR7]

Double Clicking in the OG superlight is what most minecraft 1.8.9 players want

[@ThomasMuehler]

This is true. lol

[@ChefCurry420]

you say the pucks way less then a gram but it comes up as 3 grams on the scale.

[@ThomasMuehler]

From the multiple times I weighed the mouse and the puck off camera it was less than a gram on average. Usually I only do a shot or two of B-Roll. Usually quickly. So if there was a discrepancy that would be why.

[@Wombat86dkdk]

Does the 2 have the same issue with the scroll button?

[@ThomasMuehler]

What scroll issue are you talking about specifically? I will say that I don't like the scroll wheel. I feel like i can't rely on it as it isn't super precise. As I find myself slipping (due to the steps being loose) easily when I am middle mouse clicking. Also, hard to hit exact clicks when switching weapons or similar. However, I haven't seen any like actual defects. In the sense of it not registering a scroll when it should or it doing things on its own accord.

[@Wombat86dkdk]

@@ThomasMuehler After a few months (4-5) it started moving the opposite direction of where I am scrolling. People have tons of DIY fixes with WD40 and blowing air into the mouse. Think I am gonna use my 2 year warranty and get a new one.

[@ThomasMuehler]

@@Wombat86dkdk Gotcha. I'm going to go out on a limb and this is pure speculation. But I think the same thing will happen with this one. As the scroll wheel is one of the worst ones I've tried. On my first one it seemed defective. On my second I just think it is a cheap one. Maybe Bearded Bob (who takes apart mice) can give more info on the exact encoder. As I don't pay too much attention to that. I will say that there better scroll wheel encoders than others. As some of them will come with a IPX rating which prevents dust, debris, and corrosion from taking place and allows it to last longer. Either from a spray or from the build quality itself. Logitech has been using kind of cheap materials in their mice previously. I'm not sure if this transferred over to the GPX 2 (as again Bearded Bob watching both the GPW, GPX, and GPX 2 teardown would probably give you better info. Along with some of the other top mice and seeing if they are using similar encoders).

[@SeojunLee-jt2dd]

I’ve heard there’s a lip in the front feet of the superlight 2. Is that true? Pls help

[@ThomasMuehler]

Mind explaining that a bit more? I'm not exactly sure what you mean. On the OG Superlight and Superlight 2 have trays that the PTFE sit in. Is that the lip you're talking about?

[@SeojunLee-jt2dd]

@@ThomasMuehler na I’ve heard there is a slight bump on the front of the feet so it makes it makes gliding harder than the og and they apparently said you can feel the bump when you’re dragging the mouse?

[@iamspirallz940]

should i buy 1 or save up for 2

[@ThomasMuehler]

I'd go through and read comments. I've answered this several times. I say that as I'm not sure I'll provide a good answer. But basically, if you are a hardcore gamer, someone who likes to future proof, someone who doesn't like to buy a product that's already out of date, have high aim skill, dislike Micro-USB, already have a lot of USB-C things, and don't want your mouse to double click then buy the GPX2. If none of those things apply to you save some money and go with the GPX1.

[@Miller-EE]

Any comparison to the Asus ROG HARPE ACE Aimlab edition??

[@ThomasMuehler]

Not yet. I do have a Harpe Ace coming in though. So I'll be able to try it out and let you know if I remember. If I don't remember (which honestly is likely) hit me back up again and I'd be happy to share my thoughts. I should have an answer within the next 2 - 3 weeks.

[@Miller-EE]

​@@ThomasMuehlerwill try to remember to remind you 😅 I've got both of them on my desk right now. I just can't make up my mind. In terms of features the Asus demolishes the Logitech. But it's just something with the shape of the Logitech I just can't get away from. Would be good to hear a direct comparison between the two.

[@ThomasMuehler]

@trancer256 I'll be doing a review on the Harpe. So, if you are subscribed that would help remind you. And I’ll try and remember to do a comparison either in the video or after that. But I'm going into a new chapter in life that is going to be exceedingly busy so I just don't trust myself to not have things fall between the cracks unintentionally. Just from what I know about the Harpe (speculation) and my experience with the G Pro. My guess is that the Harpe is going to be better holistically as the features appear to be better. As there is a lot of neat tech there. They both have a type of "tensioning system" for consistent clicks. However, the Harpe is using gold contact points which are more resistant to corrosion. Whereas Logitech’s are cheaper which are more prone to corrosion and one reason why they develop double clicks. Unless if you are talking about the GPX2 which still has a mechanical component that I'm not sure what components they are using outside of it being optical which is more robust than mechanical. In that same vein if you were to develop double clicks with the Harpe since they are hot swappable you could just buy a new switch. Or if you wanted try different switches to see how they feel. Which is neat. Haven’t tried the sensor. But my guess is that it is better. But again, that is pure speculation. And probably doesn’t matter all that much. I know spec wise (DPI, etc) I think it is better. But to me that isn’t as important as latency, resolution accuracy, etc. With Asus also doing monitors, graphics cards, etc. I would expect them to do a better job at latency. As they understand all of that and how it relates to a gaming system. Not saying that Logitech is a slouch in this department either though. Technically the GPX 2 has 2,000 Hz. Which could make a difference. But latency is latency. And just because a mouse has a higher polling rate doesn’t mean it performs better than one at a lower one. As there is a lot in the chain that effects that. But enough of that rabbit hole. Shape I think is going to go to Logitech. Just in general. As the GPX is probably one of the most “safe” but successful shapes in mice history. Which is one of the main reasons why this mouse is so popular. Which brings us into the conversation of Shape, size, weight being critical in the decision-making process (as most mice are going to perform essentially the same from a technical standpoint these days). A mouse can have not as good of specs and feel (clicks, side buttons, feet, etc.) but if you perform better because the shape is ideal for you it may be the winner. I think the size and weight are going to be similar here as well. I would imagine the Harpe is a bit longer and made more for palm/claw. Where the GPX can do all three depending on hand size. I think the Logitech is plastic where Harpe has more unique hybrid something. Which makes it a bit more neat by just being different. May also help in build quality and longevity. But again, I don’t know anything about the hybrid thing yet. As I haven’t researched it much. PTFE. Heard that Asus did some testing to see which glided the best. Not sure if that was for the Harpe or another mouse. In general the PTFE on both the GPX and GPX2 are trash and should be replaced with third party. Which is additional cost. Also, can cause tracking issues if the sensor isn’t doing a good job at adjusting for the new PTFE. At least on the GPX2 you can select small/medium/high. Can’t mention software, side buttons, click feel, battery life, charging, USB-C?, I think the Asus also has RGB? So, all that to say. To me performance is my #1 metric. Followed by holistic feel/features. I would take what you are specifically looking for in a mouse and see which one checks more boxes. Also, one thing I like to do is grab a coin. Heads you keep GPX, tails you keep Harpe (not saying you are getting rid of them just as a test). Flip it and cover it before you know the answer. Think to yourself which one do I want it to be more? There is your answer.

[@CEDJ586]

Just buyed the II. But I need to replace mine G402

[@ThomasMuehler]

Would love to hear your thoughts on it.

[@LordScrumpus]

Does anyone know any good grip tape and quality feet i can buy for this? All i can find are ones for the gen 1 version. Btw, bought it locally for half price (lucky ikr) and wanna go all out on accessories for it.

[@ThomasMuehler]

I'm pumped for you! Glad you got a great deal on it. Unfortunately, I don't usually buy third party skates or use grip tape so I can't help you. But hopefully someone else can!

[@Retrocidal]

Ghub brick logitech mics 🎤 to the new update automatically and it will brick it or wont be able to use it like befire the firmware update on logitech mics i tried 3 all of them bricked from the update

[@ThomasMuehler]

Interesting. That's not good. I'll have to look into this more before I try and update mine then!

[@soupiky8599]

The most underrated youtuber ever

[@ThomasMuehler]

You're very kind. Thanks for the encouragement!