Is This Father Faking his Daughter's Illness? | Chicago Med | MD TV

[@hockeyqueen]

"My daughter is dying and you're letting her." Ummm no, she's trying to save your daughter and you're distracting her.

[@yourdidit7813]

E x a c t ly y y

[@kennedywhite5543]

SOMEONE FOUND IT! E x a l y y y.

[@sam_dalton]

Exactly. I saw this comment as soon as he said that.

[@alexisoelberg7448]

My immediate response was "shes going to if you don't get tf out of my way" hence why I could never go into nursing.

[@l.ibbyarmstrong]

yeah

[@poshpearls23]

I feel bad for the father. He never tried to "make" her sick.... the girl just learned that as the only way to connect with him unfortunately, and it ended up taking on a life of its own. I wish the dad had listened. Poor guy.

[@parryxxlivxx]

I do feel bad for him too, he never had any bad intentions he was just grieving his dead wife. On the other hand though, his daughter did still need him, and I think the difficult reality is that despite the understandable cause, he didn’t take responsibility for her care, including her need to have her father emotionally there for her in some way. And if he couldn’t do that, he needed to at least take the amount of responsibility of acknowledging that he couldn’t take care of her properly for the time being and make sure she was provided for in some other way. His grief was completely justified, but there was no need to have it result in the neglect of his daughter

[@ryder389]

I’m sure stuff like this really happens in real life, unfortunately. For some peace of mind though, the dad in the video is actually my acting teacher so at least THIS case wasn’t real

[@mariyamatia8726]

Poor guy??? That disgusting abusive heartless ruthless worthless monsters is anything but Poor. He is completely doesn't worth it

[@kasasoucy6473]

Oh, Come on! I think the father did it!!!

[@KristinaHarePixie]

It’s so sad

[@AndrewBarsky]

“DO SOMETHING! EXCEPT THE TEST YOU RECOMMENDED BECAUSE WEB MD HAS A PERFECT MATCH FOR THE SYMPTOMS!”

[@laraterry2929]

Eyeyeyye has the rest 😌😴🙌😪🙏uuuuu

[@m.m.4066]

Ok Karen

[@AconicPL]

Wth

[@AFVfan1]

@@m.m.4066 It’s just a joke chill.

[@AFVfan1]

@@AconicPL It’s a joke.

[@charityloar7287]

I'm an ER nurse, and this video was pretty shocking. Some of the statements the dad made almost exactly mirror statements of the parents (whose children I've taken care of) with Munchausen by Proxy. Although I realize in this episode, it was the daughter faking, they really nailed the reality of these situations.

[@k.c.8662]

If you're an ER nurse, I urge you to watch again because it's really important to understand that she's not faking.

[@CherryFlavoredFox0180]

@@k.c.8662 she is faking.

[@amorrissey9264]

@@k.c.8662 did you even watch the episode?? Which is fake in itself...because it's a TV show...but the daughter is faking...

[@k.c.8662]

@@amorrissey9264 It's stated multiple times that she has a conversion disorder. That's not the same as faking.

[@bungawowzers]

@@k.c.8662 faking it doesn't necessarily mean that the daughter has malicious is intent and just means that the symptoms of the daughter has are not real and she's making them up

[@DragonGoddess18]

Like so many parents like that guy, he let his pride get the better of him. Being a parent is not equivalent to 4 years of med school

[@Annielee825]

This is of course a dramatic case, but when you actually do have a rare chronic illness, you become an expert in your disease. You know how it works & what you can & can't do. Medical school prepares you for an infinite variety of diseases, but it doesn't make you a specialist. So it's not always pride if someone is very knowlegeable about their disease, it's part of their survival strategy.

[@epf1250]

Make it 10+ years

[@silvermist4895]

@@Annielee825 True. Hence the reason specialists exist in the medical field. If you believe GA doctors aren't helping you much, request to see a specialist.

[@Annielee825]

@@silvermist4895 Seen dozens of "specialists". But for ME/CFS and other neuroimmunological diseases, there is no such thing.

[@Erika-ox3tq]

@@Annielee825 maybe u should see a therapist instead

[@myfeelsRvalid]

It's crazy how people think they know better than doctors nowadays. This is one of the reasons why I never went into nursing. It's one thing to try to save a life. You'd think you'd be thanked and people would be grateful, but there are actually people like this out there that will battle you tooth and nail over pride. I don't think I could deal with that.

[@jesse5658]

They often times DO know more than the doctor. At least about *their* specific issues and possible causes. Doctors try and talk shit about people "googling" or just researching the symptoms themselves, but I can't even keep track of the number of times myself, as well as close family members and friends, have gotten a wrong diagnosis or just totally blown off by a doctor. And we research it ourselves and find the correct diagnosis. My sister got Guillain barre syndrome from a flu shot(common in quite a few vaccines), had all of the obvious symptoms...but it wasn't until weeks later, when she was pretty much fully paralyzed and ended up intubated, that I researched myself and suggested the flu shot may have caused it. They FINALLY did a spinal tap(which should have been one of their first tests) and she was properly diagnosed. She almost died because her doctors were idiots.

[@KrystalReanna11]

@@jesse5658 I’m not here to bash you but I believe what happened to you is very rare. I have a degree in public health and a lot of the time doctors have to cover all the bases they have to treat the symptoms before they know the full diagnosis. My sister has a very rare autoimmune disease called takayasu arteritis and for a long time we thought I was severe anemia or a heart murmur and a million other things because if you’re not looking for something like what she has you won’t find it. Maybe in your sister’s case with GBS being so rare it wasn’t the first second or third thing they were looking for. I know exactly how you feel my sister suffered for years with her disease before being diagnosed and now she’s doing great but would you have be able to detect your sister’s GBS any faster? Being a doctor isn’t easy and I don’t think you’re giving them enough credit. I do hope your sister is doing much better and she’s getting the care and treatment she deserves

[@jessicacoleman7344]

Doctors suck lol! Most of them care about what goes in there pocket, they don’t care about us. You’re watching a tv show. This isn’t what it’s like in real life. Not even at all. I’m chronically ILL and I’ve done more research then most doctors probably. You don’t even want to know how doctors truly act and are like. There’s maybe 10% of good ones out of 100%…..

[@marshmallow7640]

@@KrystalReanna11 No, I have to agree with the other person. I’ve seen way too many doctors misdiagnose or gaslight people. One doctor said I was having a panic attack, nope it was anaphylaxis and I almost died. That’s just gross negligence, it happens often and way too often to people of color in America.

[@k.c.8662]

@@KrystalReanna11 Not to nitpick, but I think you're both right, you're just talking about different issues. Yes rare conditions or rare presentations of conditions can be hard to diagnose. But patients often do know more about their conditions that doctors that aren't experts in those conditions. This tends to ESPECIALLY be true of ER docs. And as complicated as this case in the episode is, there are points where the father is right, however irrational he was in it's entirety. Like when he told the doctor he wasn't sure it'd be safe and started listing her medication.

[@kellenproctor5808]

Good heavens this man could not let his daughter TALK. She’s a teenager and more than capable of speaking for her self

[@Wothina]

True but she’s the one making believe she is sick. It’s a psychological disorder that causes her body to react physically to certain thoughts. She’s subconsciously doing it to get her dad’s attention. It’s why her body language changes depending on if she’s around her dad or someone else. There is a chance she doesn’t even know she’s doing it. Like she knows but doesn’t at the same time.

[@HisokaxIlumi]

I get so angry the father isn't listening. I had a friend who only got attention from her parents when sick or hurt, so even as a teen and young adult, she, sometimes without even noticing it herself, hurt herself or made herself sick to get attention. When we as her friends realised it and wanted to help her, her parents were not listening and always made her fall back from all the progress she made, they even where against therapy. It was such an unnecessary fight and it took years till they finally noticed she started to not be sick or hurt constantly. Still makes me mad. Sometimes you do harm without meaning to do it... Just tone down your ego and listen for a second.

[@SSGDevelopment]

The same goes for my parents

[@canned_can_chan4590]

True. My parents might not have intended to hurt me but they're denying my needs and disturbing my progress

[@stephenking5852]

If someone won’t listen to others, then they might as well have their ears cut off.

[@PokeMageTech]

*even were against therapy

[@reignellwalker9755]

People just need to humble down and accept when they are WRONG. Not just for their sake but for the sake of who they are hurting! Very sorry about what your friend went through and i am happy to hear they are getting help. I pray the parents or anybody else aren't ignorant like this in the future

[@laurens3857]

Id like to clarify she isn’t making up or lying about her symptoms. She is having a physiological response. So the brain is going hey I can’t breathe (despite nothing to suggest it can’t) and then the body goes ahhh you’re right we can’t and she starts struggling to breathe. The symptoms are there but the ‘reason’ or trigger or cause isn’t physical.

[@bridgetwilkie412]

I’m sorry this is so random but when she said “call respiratory and get a vent stat”, I couldn’t help but be proud and honored. We are always teaming up with the nurses but rarely acknowledged. Don’t get me wrong nurses are awesome, it’s just nice to be seen.

[@ry.butterfly]

Thank you so much for all you do!

[@DocBree13]

I would like to personally thank you for what you do. I have been hospitalized several times for lung issues: asthma, pneumonia, covid, pulmonary fibrosis - and the respiratory therapists were so kind, knowledgeable and helpful to me. I even learned from a respiratory therapist that I’d been using my inhaler and spirometer incorrectly for years. It’s terrifying to be unable able to get enough air, and a calming, confident professional can make all the difference. 🙏 ❤

[@LightsaberGoBrrrrrr]

What? I couldn’t hear what you said. Actually.. where are you? Can’t see you at all…

[@MSR_Ma]

You can tell it wasn’t with malicious intent, he really loved and cared for his daughter and I think to handle grieve, he started getting too involved and over thinking when things would happen which actually came with the false diagnosis and medications/symptoms. It was dangerous and life threatening because nothing was wrong with her but, his intentions were pure and I think she gets attention like this so, maybe she unintentionally exaggerates how she’s feeling and then he exaggerated her symptoms.

[@Chels-fz5uq]

Sure let’s blame the child in this situation

[@kimpedersen5708]

@@Chels-fz5uq okay but it was the child's fault in this episode 🤷‍♀️

[@MissSpaz]

This episode was based on a case that happened in Boston. A girl had a similar chronic illness. They didn't have any specialists at that particular hospital for that condition, so her parents tried to have her transferred to another Boston area hospital. The doctors made a disgusting assumption that her parents were making her sick and went to the court to get custody. She was in that hospital for 15 months as they weaned her off her medication, and she got sicker and sicker. Finally the parents got custody back as they got her diagnosing doctors to testify.

[@MSR_Ma]

@@MissSpaz thank you! That’s really interesting

[@MSR_Ma]

The people that liked this bih Chels comment is weird asf too 😂🤦🏼‍♀️

[@crystalwagner5993]

How that dad thinks he’s a certified doctor by diagnosing through the internet?

[@DragonGoddess18]

One word: Pride

[@crystalwagner5993]

@@DragonGoddess18 Agreed. But also arrogance.

[@takumi2023]

Ignorance

[@sunnyday4055]

he went through alot of docters

[@crystalwagner5993]

@@sunnyday4055 Did he?

[@fastpackcyclist6901]

this is truly sad, man grieves for his dead wife, daughter makes herself sick to bond with him and he doesn't even know shes tricking him and now shes being taken from him

[@Nicole-hl2ol]

she didn’t trick him, conversion disorder is out of the persons control. it literally makes you sick.

[@DocBree13]

She’s not tricking him - her brain is tricking her

[@haruk2312]

Male brain can't comprehend simple explanation

[@OssieRichards]

The father - it’s called grief

[@Cynthiatomaski-s4b]

​@@DocBree13 Exactly

[@SebastianBlackwell94]

The fact that he keeps talking for her and not allowing her to say anything at all(I'm not done watching the video) is pissing me off.

[@motherhoney3863]

😂right get him out of there!! Did u see him in the room literally distracting them?! 🤬this one here lol

[@takumi2023]

the episode ended with Mr. Joffe going to the police accusing the hospital of kidnapping but the poilce said child protective services has jurisdiction on the case. then he finally calmed down enough to have a conversation with Dr. Charles admitting that he's scared that he could have caused her illness. Dr. charles assured him that they can be together later if they can work through this. What i wish to see is the healing process. i want them to discuss what the plan of treatment or therapy would be and what they would talk about. also the girl that played the daughter was scary during the scene when the dad wasn't there but they were talking about him like shes dissociated with her feelings. bravo.

[@emvyyyy]

What do is it

[@tic857]

Me too, unfortunately that's not how Chicago med episodes go, they always leave on a cliff hanger and its so frustrating .

[@lisag5002]

So was the daughter making up her illness by distracting her father from his own grief and it took on a form of its own mental illness?

[@misanthropos6211]

​@emvyyyy what do is it indeed. I might even say why did are it. I believe it is quite profound.

[@oOoMiSSBiRDoOo]

I dont under why these shows exist on their own universe but can finish a story to the end. 🙄

[@rynfornow3411]

Conversion Disorder and other disorders where the brain thinks it has something and *literally had physical symptoms of it* is a terrifying thing.

[@kinagrill]

mild version is basically just 'people go around sniffling and coughing' and you mimic the symptoms cuz you think you have been infected with the flu or a cold.

[@YouTubeallowedmynametobestolen]

"It can't be anything she ate, b/c she never eats anything I didn't prepare for her." Multiple red flags in just those few words.

[@TimberlakeTigerGirl]

Not exactly. Some people are paranoid about eating out and having other people prepare their food for them. Some do it for health reasons, and some just don't feel comfortable eating out. They'd rather prepare their own meals because they know what's going in them. Have you ever seen those news footages of people receiving food at a restaurant and having something inside them that wasn't supposed to be there? Like dead bugs and mice heads? Him saying he prepares his daughters food can't be taken as a sign of abuse. Overprotective sure but not abuse; at least not intentionally.

[@Mariana-zk8pn]

@@TimberlakeTigerGirl my biggest problem with the quote is that he assumes he can't do wrong. Just because he cooked it doesn't mean she can't be sick from it. We are humans, we make mistakes or maybe the ingredients had something he didn't know or whatever, anything can happen but he can't see that. Also yknow, she can just buy and eat a candy the second he wasn't looking, let her talk (later, when she can, she wasn't able in that scene)

[@KaysieDaniels]

I love how he assumed a Dr doesn’t know about his daughter’s health

[@shimmer4771]

Medical malpractice does happen, unfortunately.

[@BettyLucille]

At first I thought maybe this is a form of Münchausen syndrome brought on by the grief of loosing his wife. I think it’s causing anxiety in this girl. But since I haven’t seen the whole episode I’m not so sure.

[@winterberry3412]

Same thought here

[@kasa9884]

Same thought too!

[@triplemoyagames4195]

Turns out the daughter was faking or exaggerating the her symptoms. Because she noticed when she had gotten sick, her Dad would stop being depressed, as he would then focus on getting he rbetter. Give him some purpose and a distraction from his grief. She was trying to help him cope

[@BettyLucille]

@@triplemoyagames4195 oh, that makes sense! Everyone will cope with the loss of a loved one in a unique way and hers was staying closing to her father by depending on him. It’s sad for both of them honestly.

[@roku401]

Mezzo of munchausens and munchausens by proxy???

[@acetraineraster5171]

"still wanna convince yourself there's nothing wrong with her?" THEY NEVER SAID THAT

[@amirhavyt]

daughter: *struggles to breathe* dad: "it's okay, breathe"

[@rosiero731]

I love how she's all "she's good to go" then "we're just waiting on lab results it'll be a while".

[@JayAshBranAudioScripts]

It’s a sad day when kids have to hurt themselves to get some sign of affection

[@makrhodes3391]

She saw that needle coming and she said suddenly I feel wonderful ☠️☠️☠️☠️

[@jennyjenny5084]

Right lol I would’ve still poke her ass with it and say no no that’s not normal poke

[@naynayjones9166]

Right not the needle in the neck 😂😂

[@sebastianroccatani2161]

I've enetered the MD TV binge hole and I don't think I can stop

[@wasteland5000]

4:00 "not here to have her retested, comform a diagnosis, and in a snarky tone the doctor thinks he knows more than her father." He just contradicted what he just said. "They couldn't figure out what was wrong with her so i just looked it up online." So she was tested for something. She wasn't diagnosed (not googleing symptoms isn't a diagnosis). And the final point, unless he is also a doctor, the MEDICAL DOCTOR probably knows mor about MEDICAL ISSUES mor than a dude who figured out where babys come from.

[@Rorschachqp]

Dad won’t let anyone else talk because deep down he knows the truth might be coming.

[@tabaxii007]

God, it makes me so mad how he doesn't just LISTEN for one goddamn second.

[@Dudjssnmahc9599]

this is actually really sad, she wanted a parent to take care of her.

[@madelineseyer3979]

“Because Dr. Halstead thinks he knows better than her father” well that’s what the medical school and years of training was for sir

[@runsoncaffeine]

I always laugh inside whenever parents think they know more than doctors who actually went to medical school and know what they're talking about.

[@reignellwalker9755]

Yea

[@thomasplouffe1363]

That dad is terrifying

[@PhantomSims]

I know

[@reapergaming5638]

The sad thing is there are people like this in real life

[@doubleS07]

That's what my dad was like..

[@voiceacticon667]

Uh… how?

[@kenxiong9776]

​@@voiceacticon667 the amount of confidence from his stupidity and ignorance.

[@hialmondjoy4592]

I love these episodes about conversion disorders (the one about the kid who got paralysed because he didn't wanna move to another state - the one about the kid who uh... got impulsive urges due to supression and castrated himself... although I must say that one was not my favorite...) Crazy how tthe body will act out our unconious desires, or always find a way to physically express what we've been mentally supressing.

[@dianedobson1104]

So while the father grieved over the loss of his wife the girl felt alone so decided to play sick to get his attention. As soon as they were going to cut her for the breathing vent she was okay

[@sudrianliam1199]

What annoys me in these shows is that no-one ever tells these kind of persons "Okay, who's the doctor here, you or me?!", even when it would be most called for...

[@shimmer4771]

In real life it happens, but they usually brush it under the rug.

[@doctorposting]

because viewers would instantly hate the doctor since tons of viewers are karens themselves

[@eweeb4937]

Dr Charles is the best character in the series hands down

[@kerriminx18]

A perfect case of why ‘Dr. Google’ is no substitute for a real doctor, nor does it give you the right to act like one for your child.

[@Br0nto5aurus]

This guy is literally just a typical parent of a sick kid. His daughter crying out for attention with symptoms instead of words, consciously and/or subconsciously, made him believe she was sick, so he did what all parents of sick kids do: he learned everything he could about what the doctors told him she had, acquiring a knowledge base that he thought at times was superior to the doctors' recommendations. He's demanding and pushy, likely because of his history of loss, but all parents tend to be demanding and pushy when it comes to their kids' health. Obviously they couldn't just let them leave, but charging him with medical child abuse is absurd. He didn't make her sick at all. She doesn't know how to adequately communicate her need for attention, resulting in a mental illness that manifests physical symptoms, and her previous doctors failed to realize they were psychosomatic. She is a sick kid, she was just misdiagnosed.

[@annataymond9529]

Except the doctors didn’t tell him she had it. He decided she had it himself. She was never actually tested. Then when they bring up the possibility of doing a test he tries to break her out of it.

[@liwkaosmaek9874]

There are parents that actually make their kids sick intentionally cause they have a need to care for them

[@abigaile3954]

@@liwkaosmaek9874 yeah its called munchausen's by proxy

[@peterpotato7462]

I don't understand how these doctors get so mad when charles does anything that violates any rule. he's also doing stuff for the patient and they know that

[@amarahsrabbitry1073]

Man imagine having that job. Having to come to hospitals for possible child protection cases. It’s gotta be so hard!

[@JustASongCoverGuy-ru5lw]

“He thinks he knows better than her father” Yes. He’s a doctor. He very likely does.

[@chaos2538]

She: *choking* Dad: BrEaThE

[@livelaughlovecatss]

LEGIT

[@avarina8418]

daughter is dying, him: "your okay kiddo!"

[@lilylovs]

“MY DAUGHTER IS DYING AND YOUR LETTING HER” you don’t see them WORKING on her

[@lifewithrena8186]

Reminds me of that one movie where the mom drugs her daughter and telling her she’s sick and can’t eat sugar and all of this stuff is wrong with her but in reality nothing was wrong with her..except the girl wasn’t looking for attention she was just an victim

[@lindenpeters2601]

It's a series on Hulu called The Act and it's based on true events!

[@Ororo_Munroe1]

It’s called Munchausen’s Syndrome by Proxy

[@marycool4986]

Oh yeah the Gipsy rose Blanchard thing?

[@nathaliec.2513]

The movie everything everything the mom keeps her in the house and tells her that she’s sick but in reality she wasn’t.

[@YesIlikebananasSo]

There’s so many movies with this theme it seems. Have y’all seen Run?

[@leahh.1]

"Breath" BRO WHAT SHE CAN'T

[@CG87343]

If he would’ve just shut his trap and given them half a chance to explain they wouldn’t have gone to that extreme.

[@livelaughlovecatss]

"honey breathe!" WELL THANK YOU! YOU HAVE NOW CURED HER!

[@kid-ava]

Honestly, I feel bad for both the dad and his daughter. I think the daughter is feeling or probably even being emotionally neglected by her father due to his grief over losing his wife. The girl could even be feeling emotionally burdened, brained, or overly empathetic to her father's emotions, so to distract him from them and in the process get the attention and emotional care she desires, she feigns or exaggerates illness whenever she's not being paid attention to. The mind works in mysterious, sometimes "mirrored" ways, so I wouldn't be surprised if she's developed some psychosomatic symptoms as a result of all this stress. Still doesn't excuse the father denying her the biopsy and taking independent, stubborn approach to caring for the girl's health. Doctors exist for a reason, and it's partially why I can see why the doctors see his actions as medical abuse, although it stems far deeper than that

[@ahamfravia]

The way she looks at her father is sooo weird, she made me think she was actually in love with him and it was making me sick.

[@sunnyday4055]

why you got to sexualise everything the most important relationship to a child is her or his mum and dad and she lost her mum so now she only has 1 parent to sub for both

[@ahamfravia]

@@sunnyday4055 Oh, wait a minute. My mistake. I wasn't referring to real people. I meant the way the actress who plays the daughter was acting, it gave me these mixed feelings. As it comes from a TV show where anything is possible (even people who believe they are vampires), this is not an inconceivable idea. Anyway, those were the feelings that her expressions evoked in me.

[@theyyyloveniii3269]

Ikr i feel lile she fell in love with him by him caring for her ,when really he was making her sick menatally ☹️

[@rickethgoldsworth]

@@sunnyday4055 why when someone said "love" you heard "sex"? is everything ok in your life?

[@Kanroji423]

“Do something!” SHE IS

[@christiangirl_country5609]

The way dr Charles looked so worried for her

[@SavantPete]

This should not have a label of "child abuse"

[@TraceyLorenzi]

I'm 3:03 min. into it and here is a suspicion note: The "dad" is up to something, because he never lets the girl talk and he just answers all of the questions the doctors ask HER, weird...

[@TraceyLorenzi]

OMG I'M 5:26 MINUTES INTO THE VIDEO AND I KNEW IT JUST RE-WATCH IT AND YOU'LL KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!!!!!

[@TraceyLorenzi]

IT MENDS LIKE THAT!

[@CeltycSparrow]

It seems like this little girl uses her "illnesses" as a way of manipulating her father when he is sad or angry. When he was supposed to take her to see Wicked, he was sad and looking at photographs of his wife. She gets sick....Daddy comes running, takes her to the hospital. All is well, because she now has Daddy's undivided attention. When her Dad is arguing with the doctor's in the hallway....AGAIN, she faints, Daddy comes running, now all the attention is focused back on her. But yet, when she was first admitted, she was having spasms and couldn't breathe....and then, she was INSTANTLY healed, with no medical intervention....notice she immediately stops when the doctor forces her father to leave the room and he comes rushing back immediately....AGAIN, sticking with this theme of her wanting Daddy's attention to be focused on her.

[@reannaphillips4383]

She's a child. Her father was being greatly inattentive in his grief, which I get but it doesn't excuse that. A child's growth can be stunted when they have emotionally unresponsive parents. While she may have exaggerated her symptoms, her father was the adult and made choices without the advice of a medical professional that have the potential to kill/greatly harm her. Not only did he treat her without the advice of an actual doctor, but he went directly against the recommendations of a doctor by not allowing her to get a biopsy that could help her.

[@kennedyzell4054]

she’s a child, she didn’t do shit. it’s all him. he has munchausen. my mother has it, it’s clear as day to me that, that’s what he has. don’t blame this child for his wrongdoings

[@Jadzebra]

You can't have assume it's malicious

[@kasa9884]

It's a psychological condition called Factitious disorder (formerly Munchausen disorder). The person goes to lengths to pretend they have serious illness in order to get the caring concern and attention of their loved one. It often means going to various doctors and specialists, various procedures, lab work, and assessments trying to figure out what this mystery illness could be. When a parent makes their child ill (or anyone in a guardian role over another) to fake an illness so they can get the attention and adoration of others for being the "wonderful caretaker" or "warrior parent" it's called Factitious disorder by proxy (formerly Munchausen by proxy).

[@victoriaopenshaw9157]

The little girl isn’t simply attention-seeking but is distracting her dad from his grief. Helping him, in her childlike perception, through therapy as she sees the situation. It is not entirely through self-interest?

[@ryder389]

OMG the father is my old teacher and this video just popped up on my recommended! Super strange to see him in this! 😄

[@Hooperjz78]

Really? What did he teach? That's so wild!

[@katscratchfever3506]

No way

[@CherryFlavoredFox0180]

.... Child abuse? That girl was faking illness for attention. How does that have anything to do with the father?

[@marycool4986]

Because from what I understood the dad is the one convincing her she is sick

[@xxivoryy]

Right ?? Like she found a way to get her father's attention and her dad being a protective parent would try and take care of her with out malice

[@CherryFlavoredFox0180]

@@marycool4986 Can you explain? Cause it seems like she's tricking him into believing that she's sick, because it gets her more attention.

[@bookbag6432]

The father put her on all this medication and was not listening to the doctors so he had to be stopped. Who knows what would've happened if he continued being delusional. Medications have serious side effects.

[@CherryFlavoredFox0180]

@@bookbag6432 and who gave him those meds? He obviously saw other doctors.

[@um2913]

This man is way too frantic and emotional to be a stable parent. This is not how a mentally stable parent acts. Parents like this are dangerous and clearly dangerous for the child to be around in the eyes of the law as well, abuse

[@starlingswallow]

Sometimes the word "kiddo" really triggers me 🤦🏻‍♀️🫣

[@EJaramillo]

Lol Why?

[@starlingswallow]

I believe it's from that one KZbin family Channel where they adopted a boy from China and kept him for a while, but because he had learning and behavioral issues, they gave him back. The mom kept calling him "kiddo" and it drive me nuts. I believe the mom is a toxic person....

[@amypickavance2440]

Her dad its not nice doing this to his only kid

[@baileyslivinski6578]

I can’t believe the father is just telling the doctors to do stuff like the doctors are train professionals!

[@AlyceMalyce]

Sometimes the psychologist just needs to be blunt, if he had just said, sir your daughter suffers from conversion disorder, I need to speak to you about it so you can understand the reason why, and what to do to make her better. But this show is insanely quick as soon as someone says abuse it's like the head lady has social services on speed dial. As they show up in minutes, with a cop.

[@TimberlakeTigerGirl]

I don't think he was going to listen no matter what the doctor said. He didn't want the doctors to run a Mido test, what makes you think he'd listen to the shrink about a possible mental illness? And hospitals are required by law to report any and all suspicions of child abuse to the authorities.

[@1tommyday]

Like Munchausen Disorder. Kids are so responsive to adult suggestion. I used to teach music in the schools. When I taught chorus I was careful to not say " who needs to go to the bathroom" , because it would delay class 10 minutes while 10 kids went to the bathroom. When I said nothing only 1 or 2 would ask. Adults words are powerful to children.

[@Americanpatriot-zo2tk]

In this particular instance there’s no reason in the world why they should have that type of authority to rip that child from that home specially when they allowed drug addicts and drugs and to keep their children.

[@annamarusarz7628]

my mom carries a file of all my history but i actually ended up having autoimmune diseases but it was a long time of no answers so i totally related to the huge file of medical history and feeling like a full time job

[@samanthajohnston5326]

Literally the gypsy rose Blanchard case

[@kevindrdrill]

Wait, so just to confirm the daughter faking her illnesses just to be closer with her dad?

[@greenvrld7730]

In a way yes and her father putting her on medication she doesn’t really need, unknowingly committing medical child abuse

[@oliviahurley79]

She wasn't lying or faking conversion disorder is a real thing. It is a neurological condition and cannot be controlled the symptoms aren't made up but stress can trigger flare ups. It is now called functional neurological disorder and effects the body in very real ways and these ways can even show on test. Like for me I have neurogenic bladder, poor motility, pain, fatigue, psychogenic non epileptic seizures, paralysis, and more. I rely on a feeding tube and cathater. I was in the hospital fighting for my life for a while with it because of the havoc it was causing my body. You can see my paralysis on FMRI because although my brain is intact it can't communicate to my body anymore or correctly kind of like a software issue. y

[@Plooshie_L]

Bro was being such a piece of crap to the doctors trying to save his daughters life

[@madfine]

my anger issues could never deal with this guy

[@Spiiderbytezgaming]

I really thought for a second he was gonna call her a silly goose and I was about to throw my phone

[@sandaina3284]

conversion disorder is no joke I was diagnosed with it in 2010 and it is on and off a on going battle

[@thercnielsen]

So the one time my rare and incurable, debilitating disease is show cased on a medical show this big, it’s linked to one of the biggest misconceptions us patients are accused of all the time when seeking diagnosis and treatment? I can not explain in words the psychological damage and PTSD my family and I have endured because doctors like this accuse either myself causing my own problems, one of my parents/caretakers, or that it’s just all in my head. NO. I have the muscle biopsy and every other test to prove it. I’m disappointed. I get this is a real issue but they *had* to choose mito, an already misunderstood, under diagnosed, horrible illness to showcase it with? 😒

[@chambers4676]

I’m not going to claim to know anything about your condition, but as far as I could tell, in the beginning they were confused about the diagnosis because she hadn’t had a muscle biopsy. I don’t think that they really thought they were lying at that point, they were just confused. But for the rest of the episode, you are definitely right.

[@harley-amybanks2168]

I completely agree! I have Ehler's Danlos Syndrome and I went through the same thing struggling to get a diagnosis and not being taken seriously because I was a young woman. The having a strict medication schedule, an emergency hospital bag, all important information on file with them, knowing all the medications off by heart, knowing treatment options/comorbidities etc well, advocating for your own health and being a "professional patient" is something chronically ill people HAVE to do to survive but it's shown here as obsessive and hypochondriac like which is so not true. Before my diagnosis I was told it was all in my head and they even tried to blame symptoms I've had for years on a new medication I was on but I only got worse when they took me off it. Eventually someone my mum knew with EDS told us to look into it because my symptoms were the exact same as hers and eventually we got an EDS diagnosis because of that. Even after my EDS and several comorbidities like Spastic Paraplegia were diagnosed I had a doctor accuse me of faking it and told me I can't have Spastic Paraplegia because my Spasticity and Sustained Clonus weren't that bad on the physical exam but this was due to having ongoing successful treatment of my symptoms. This guy wasn't even a Neurologist but he tried to overrule the 2 teams of Neurologists in the best Neurological centres in the country who had originally diagnosed me. He then just tried to discharge me with no help for what I went in for (it was nothing to do with my Spastic Paraplegia so why he was looking at that I have no idea) and didn't even test to see if there was something else going on if he thought I was misdiagnosed. This happens way too much to women, especially if you're young

[@chambers4676]

@@harley-amybanks2168 women, and especially women of color are constantly being dismissed by doctors, I was lucky enough to have good doctors and very visible, non-dismissible problems. Edit: I just remembered something, when I was about three years old I was experiencing extreme stomach pain so we went to the hospital (not our usual one) and they diagnosed me with a stomach bug. I had pneumonia that was so bad that my lungs were swelling and pushing on my stomach. Both me and my mother (both women of color) were misdiagnosed at that hospital.

[@harley-amybanks2168]

@@chambers4676 exactly, it's a constant problem within my partner's family too. You've really got to battle the system hard to get basic medical care in a lot of cases unfortunately

[@thercnielsen]

@@harley-amybanks2168 I completely understand!!! Thank you for sharing your experience. Unfortunately it sounds way too familiar. I can not wait for the medical community to start taking some responsibility for how they treat chronically ill patients. It’s not fair to expect everything to be on us, and it’s not fair to have to prove over and over again to every single doctor you come in contact with that you do in fact have the disease that is written and diagnosed in your chart. It’s especially difficult for young women to navigate the medical field and to be believed and it’s just wrong. These cases do happen like depicted in this episode, but I wholeheartedly believe it is wrong to immediately jump to the psychosomatic diagnosis every time a young women comes in with an extensive medical history.

[@malu8841]

I know everyone is hating on the father, but I have to put myself on their shoes for one moment. Imagine having lost a person to a sickness, only because you didn't see it coming, to then have your daughter getting sick over and over again. I know it's his fault for not getting a diagnosis, but it's important to note that he has been going through trauma as well, and both of them want, subconsciously, to believe in this act in order to suppress the love for their wife/mother. Now imagine this people having their happy little act abruptly shut down like this. It is completely absurd, and the approach was wrong in so many ways. Dr Charles had NO RIGHT of recording them, having social services and a cop 2 minutes after trying to break the news for the dad mid-meltdown. It's as awful as it sounds, and this time, it's not the abuser's fault. If you have a kid, imagine being angry that someone is trying to take your kid away from you, then a psychiatrist comes and says you're a terrible parent, and literally 2 minutes later, while you're running for your kid, trying to get them back, a social services agent comes and says your child is no longer in your care, that you're an abuser and a cop scorts you out. How crazy would you get? I'd certainly be completely mad.

[@oliviarogers2808]

That doesn't change the fact that someone had to intervene. This is a toxic relationship.

[@malu8841]

@@oliviarogers2808 yes, totally. In no way I condemn the procedure. Just the abrupt way it's handled

[@silvermist4895]

@@malu8841 it's a tv series. they rather go for the dramatic route. to keep viewers at the edge of their seats.

[@malu8841]

@@silvermist4895 that's what I hate about the entertainment industry. They rather write poor characters to create random drama that could be avoided and wouldn't happen irl, than writing realistic characters and creating a scenario that's actually exciting and believable

[@shimmer4771]

Yes, that's awful.

[@Someloser3232]

Never seen an episode of Grey's Anatomy in my life yet I've been watching these videos for hours and I find them more entertaining tbh

[@Aniwalker2006]

This is not grey's anatomy lmaooo

[@reapergaming5638]

This is not greys anatomy tho......

[@Someloser3232]

I know this isn't Gray's Anatomy. Usually that's the doctor show everyone points to as being entertaining, I've never seen it outside of clips. Yet I find this show (and House M.D.) to be more entertaining despite also only watching them through KZbin clips

[@ronaldolopes565]

as a child and adolescent psychiatrist, this happens every single day!!!!

[@CaitlinAPope]

I have learned so much (about psychology and sociology) watching this show! Thankful 🙏🏼🥰

[@CherryFlavoredFox0180]

Just remember that this is a TV show and a decent amount of information is exaggerated for the sake of entertainment.

[@CaitlinAPope]

@@CherryFlavoredFox0180 that's why I mentioned psychology and sociology. I understand it's a TV show and can be exaggerated, but a person can also learn from it.

[@factbeaglesarebest]

I don’t think you know what sociology is

[@Judefluff525]

no you didn’t lmfao

[@ahh5480]

Daughter: trying to breathe Dad: “breathe”

[@jaredpike5295]

The fact he walks up to his daughter and says just breath as she can barely breath like bro cmon.

[@torycatherine2044]

*Says to the doctors:* "You think you know better than her father!" *Also says to the doctors:* "Do something!" 🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@theonlymellll]

“Dr Halstead thinks he knows better than her father?” Maybe bc he does?

[@CorinneBurnett-gd2hu]

If that was my little girl and she was in the hospital like that and be scared too I feel bad for the father little girl who wants to go through that

[@becky5218]

This has gypsy rose blanchard written all over it.

[@TheChazesSisters]

OMG FR

[@Wolfprincess90]

Over involve parents can be just as bad as neglectful parents. From what is shown the child may need some counseling to help her cope as she may not even realize completely that she is causing herself sick. Now for the dad, he may not be responsible for her issue, but he sure is overbearing, talking over the medical professionals as if he knows what is medically best. And in the end, bulldozing through and demand his daughter back. It seems like he doesn't want to be wrong and has an extremely strong case of denial.

[@beckybusbani8481]

I do not understand why people don't care much about their rights

[@donkeystyle3200]

Father knows best.

[@Hello-pj3on]

Doc: "whats your name?" Patient: "lil tay."

[@KanetsidohiKanotoush]

I never knew this series existed, and althought of course this is fiction, the couple of episodes I've watch in YT are really good, the actors giving really believable performances

[@-viscupcake-5646]

There’s are so many things wrong with this episode. One depending on te place you live in there I a two party law. You can’t record without the others consent. Two the doctors not noticing how the kid was basically manipulating them with her illnesses. Not only was it ever when dad was out of the room but it was also when he was emotional that she had these ‘attacks’ or she’d faint and then suddenly pop right back up thirty seconds after. There’s this thing doctors do o see if a patient is faking. They bring their arm up and then release it to see if the patient will move their arm before it impacts with their face. Third, try being in a stents position mid breakdown being told you no longer have custody of your child.

[@speedwagon1824]

The kid wasn't intentionally faking

[@SudaMisango]

Dad yelling out loud SO he can make sure! His daughter hears him saying (my daughters Dieing!!) Just loud enough for the girl to hear! So it's the last words she hears before going unconscious! Maybe he should have said to his daughter I love you & its gonna be okay, at least try to sooth her emotions! what a dud! Of a dad.

[@BloomingZo]

I guess I keep him pretty busy That’s sad

[@baileybubbles13]

The dads aggressiveness is a big red flag. Even if he wasn’t making her sick it’s very weird to be that agitated over testing

[@KitsuneBelle93]

"Thinks he knows better than her father!" Uhhhhh, yeah? I'd sure hope the DOCTOR knows better about my kids' mecical situation than me!

[@robinwong6025]

"Do some thing!!!! "Like bro there TRYING

[@eunhastolemyheart6098]

The father was so annoying. I get that he cares for his daughter but does he honestly think that he knows better than someone who has been through 10 years medical training? 💀💀

[@speedwagon1824]

Medical training is just memorising books mostly.

[@maximumdinosaur]

I've seen so many of these and they stress me out sooooo much because medical shit scares me so much but it's so interesting For my own health I should stop because it actually gives me panic attacks

[@stopreplyingtome]

The father was in no way at fault, grief can take all kinds of forms, and if he's still upset he should be, if anything it's the daughter and hospital

[@TimberlakeTigerGirl]

He caused this to happen because of his grief. He was so consumed by his grief that he began neglecting his daughter; to the point he barely even acknowledged her. So she was forced to fake an illness in order to get her dad's attention. And this happened to the point where her body could no longer tell the difference between fake and real illnesses. As for the hospital, they were just doing their jobs. Trying to help her feel better, and once they suspected possible abuse/neglect going on; had to call the cops.

[@parycartoons6840]

If grief is making you neglect your present, there’s a problem there. Especially when you have responsibilities and obligations as major as the emotional well-being of your child in your present.

[@elvis_presley_dreams]

The father wasn't the one causing her symptoms and he wasn't a abusive father. It was the girl who caused the symptoms she thought that way would keep her father occupied on her and not in his wife's lost. (Her mom died of breast cancer).

[@theclownsystem9429]

If this is psychological and she can't control it, it sounds like Conversation Disorder. This disorder is when your brain is so stressed that it causes physical symptoms. I have this disorder due to extreme childhood trauma. It causes left sided weakness and seizures that I absolutely cannot control. I'm in therapy and on meds to help manage it. I wish more people knew about this disorder. I have been abused by so many medical personnel because they think I'm faking.

[@fscorpion678]

i cannot blame him at all

[@carmencitavettori7362]

It would be nice to see the ending.