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@jimmicks81852 жыл бұрын
thank you bandit for working on your pronunciations
@thedemon56882 жыл бұрын
@@jimmicks8185 facts iv been waiting for the zeldatubers to pronounce hateno right i don't think that will happen lol say it with me (ha-te-no) not (ha-tay-no) ....smh
@theninjabird95102 жыл бұрын
I like the 5th and 2nd
@bw90712 жыл бұрын
Question: Is there a certain place where we can submit theories or can we just comment it on youtube for instance?
@XBANGARANGX2 жыл бұрын
Don't forget NAIL has a lantern
@BanditGames2 жыл бұрын
Dude, your videos have just continued to get better over the years. My god. Great job on this one, thanks so much for having me on. And thank you to everyone who submitted their theories! So much fun
@kolbecha2 жыл бұрын
What's up Bandit?!!
@HyruleGamer2 жыл бұрын
Why thank you
@chasethemaster34402 жыл бұрын
Huh I’m the second reply
@curryandrice77642 жыл бұрын
That goes for the both of ya's. Good stuff
@Blockvard2 жыл бұрын
You chose a good new name Bandit
@literallywhy61622 жыл бұрын
The interlopers don’t have to be the entire Sheikah or Gerudo races banished to the twilight realm. They could be specifically a group (made up of Sheikah, Gerudo, or both) that was banished and then the rest of them weren’t involved in the bad stuff that got the interlopers banished. The Sheikah have been around since the beginning of the timeline (in Skyward Sword, where Impa is from the past when Demise was first sealed). The Sheikah as a race ARE old enough to be the ancestors to the Twili, and it would fit nicely with BotW’s lore the Sheikah were prone to having disputes and splits throughout their history before the Yiga
@joesunday1992 жыл бұрын
The fact the the Interlopers are referred to as a non specific "Tribe" with no mention of 2 very well known and iconic groups make it unlikely for the Interlopers to be either. They are treated as a singular group. It's unlikely the Tribe is made up of 2 separate groups. Connections to either the Shiekah or Gerudo are most likely coincidental.
@benjaminsteigerwalt18202 жыл бұрын
Remember zent worshiped Gannon as a god.
@derrickdaniels39552 жыл бұрын
This my belief
@Zeldafan21082 жыл бұрын
I love it when you guys both collab theories. It always makes my day.
@HyruleGamer2 жыл бұрын
Love to hear!
@ElectricBlaze1642 жыл бұрын
They really are great!
@RavenGamingOverLord2 жыл бұрын
@@ElectricBlaze164 True
@Insert_Bland_Name_Here2 жыл бұрын
If everyone in Hyrule has a counterpart in Termina, and we know that Majora's Mask appears to have some level of sentience, couldn't it be possible that Majora's Mask IS Termina's version of the Fused Shadow? They have similar backstories, similar powers, similar freaky eye-designs on the front... Of course, the only problem with this is that the Happy Mask Salesman had Majora's Mask in Hyrule when it was stolen by the Skull Kid, but theoretically, it is still possible that he had already been to Termina once and obtained it there, as he never explicitly states where he got it in the first place... Just throwing out what's probably an outrageous theory here...
@ladyabaxa2 жыл бұрын
Went to Termina, got the mask, and the mask manipulated Skull Kid into jumping the Happy Mask Salesman so it could go back to Termina to wreak havoc? Hmm, plausible.
@MSFVIDS2 жыл бұрын
The happy mask salesman did not get the mask from termina. Termina was found after the skull kid had stolen the mask.
@kristopher36232 жыл бұрын
@@MSFVIDS The theory still makes sense, Majora's mask could've been Hyrule's counterpart of the fused shadow, I have not played the game and do not know who or what the fused shadow is so pardon me if I'm wrong, but they could be interchanged right? Edit: I did a bit of research and I think this could've been very plausible since the fused shadow appears in Hyrule/Twightlight so, that gives me the conclusion that it could have worked out the other way around, Majora may be the terminal counterpart of the fused shadow.
@Raphe90002 жыл бұрын
My personal theory has always been that Majora's Mask is actually Lorule's equivalent to the Fused Shadow, Termina the equivalent to the Twilight Realm, and the Cult of Masks the equivalent to the Interlopers.
@golisopod7682 жыл бұрын
I always thought that the Mogmas left Hyrule and eventually became the Subrosians from oracle of seasons (another race that lives underground near lava). We never see them under their robes so for all we know they could also be mole people
@geianimari652 жыл бұрын
That's a good idea. I don't know much of the Oracles content, but you could do some digging to find if there are any other hints that lead to this theory
@Faint3662 жыл бұрын
You could also view the digging bandit (acrobandits I think) enemies from Minish Cap as a midway transition between the two. They’re more short and round like the Subrosians, but still live close to the surface and dig like Mogma
@sykune2 жыл бұрын
The dark interlopers were just a group people who mastered a certain kind of magic at least as far as true japanese translations go so it could have been a group of sheikah and gerudo that created the fused shadows. And only those responsible were banished to the twilight realm and became the twilight. It would explain both symbols being present.
@andresbarquin2 жыл бұрын
I always found the theory that the interlopers were gerudo was weird because of the whole only one male is born every 100 years thing, but now I think it is possible because perhaps back then the gerudo were compromised equally of both voe and vai, and that the gerudo males becoming rare happened some time after the interloper war.
@zachtwilightwindwaker5962 жыл бұрын
@@andresbarquin I think the Interlopers are both Gerudo and Sheikah and their descendants are hybrids of the two. As for the Gerudo being both male and female, there is a theory that the Wind Tribe in Minish Cap are the ancestors of the Gerudo as they all have red hair and may be a descendant of Groose the first Gerudo.
@sykune2 жыл бұрын
@@andresbarquin that makes alot of sense. Midna even says something about Zant not being chosen as ruler due to him having madness in his eyes like their ancestors. Which could mean gerudo males could have naturally been power Hungry and if you have gerudo having children with sheikah they would take on both traits over time. Zant wora the gerudo symbol possible to Ganondorfs influence or their were to different grouos of twili likes houses so to speak. As midna in her true form looks nothing like Zant. In fact she looks far more human like then Zant does.
@verdantmistral4422 жыл бұрын
For the Divine Prank, we know that Link has part of the Triforce in the very end of OoT which is barely visible when he relives the scene of meeting Zelda. This suggests the Triforce must have split already. It was less of a prank of the gods (though from the Sages perspective it would seem so) and more the Triforce's normal defense mechanism at play. It was likely that Ganondorf just didn't know he had it and activated its power through desperation. This next part is just me being crazy, but we don't know how resetting Link's time with the ocarina works... it's not like playing the ocarina can return Link to a set point in time and allow him to keep in possession items that he hasn't recieved yet... unless it works like it does in MM. Also it may be possible that the Triforce is... not bound by a normal concept of time or the OoT isn't powerful enough to effect the Triforce. For example, even though time rewinds, the Triforce doesn't "rewind" with them, it continues forward backwards. That is the Triforce stays with the chosen while they are rewound, but the Triforce itself doesn't come back together it stays apart bound to chosen. The Triforce experiences the rewind the same way Link does. Though the Triforce seems to continue to exist in future for the same reason. The OoT can't actually send the Triforce through time so it also remains. Trying to apply the laws of time to the Triforce might just be impossible because of its divine nature. (Which might be why the timeline is tough to unravel. We try to apply logic and laws to things that might be above those laws.)
@geianimari652 жыл бұрын
This is complicated, but I think the final time travel in OoT does put Link back in time with his memories of the future. Even if at this point, this is the future of another timeline. I don't really know how he was put there, but I remember he goes back inside of the Temple of Time, holding the Master Sword on its pedestal, but at a point before he got inside the Temple in the original timeline, because later we see him meeting the princess inside the castle, however the princess can't be here if he was sent back at a time he had already opened the Temple and pulled the Sword, because at this point Ganondorf had already attacked the castle and Impa and Zelda already fled from the citadel. So I think safe to assume he went back in time with items he didn't have back then. That could apply to the Triforce. And I recall a very common theory explaining that Link going back in time and taking possession of his part of the Triforce splited the Triforce earlier in the Child Timeline, and his Triforce in the original timeline he just left broke with its possesser gone, explaining why we have to collect the Triforce of Courage pieces in the Wind Waker, in the Adult Timeline. Sorry if I my sentences don't make sense, this is very complicated stuf, I'm not concentrated and English is not my native language.
@verdantmistral4422 жыл бұрын
@@geianimari65 Nah, your sentences are good. I just thought of the weird possibility that the Triforce is split in the Child Timeline ending because the OoT couldn't undo that particular event similar to how it couldn't undo the freeing of the Giants in Majora. The Triforce exists outside of time and when the time line split occurs it stays in place relative to its timeline. Adult Timeline Triforce stays unaffected with only Link disappearing. But child timeline Triforce stays separated throughout the rewind because to the Triforce that event has already happened (in the same way Link also sees the event as having happened). The OoT just simply can't put the Triforce back together again because the Triforce isn't bound by the laws of time. The Triforce was separated and hasn't been brought back together in the intended way so it stays with the chosen despite for everyone including Link (though he is aware of it) time was reset to before the separation.
@willarasmith48932 жыл бұрын
Theory- The entierty of BOTW’s story during the game is told from Kass’ perspective. It’s not immediately evident right away but soon becomes quite clear during the DLC. This would explain the story being so fragmented, because it is told through song and from memory by Kass. And legends throughout history are often told through song or poem. Kass was around for BOTW so he would be able to recount the events and insert himself into certain parts of the story. I think it would be interesting to delve into this. Maybe some of the story points would make a little more sense if looked at from Kass’ perspective. It would also be interesting to delve into who his teacher was.
@xaxmXII2 жыл бұрын
My theory about the divine prank is that the Triforce transcends time. Ganondorf got the Triforce of Power like normal, but then despite the time manipulation, he still had it. He wasn't aware he had it up until the execution which is where it kicked in and saved him. This would also explain how Link, Zelda, and their descendents have their pieces despite the Door of Time having never been opened in the timeline where Link was sent back to his childhood. I would absolutely love to hear your thoughts on my theory!
@QuasarEE2 жыл бұрын
The name "dark interlopers" has always felt like a hint to me that skews in favor of a connection. Interloper can be defined as "One that intrudes in a place, situation, or activity." If the interlopers came from Termina, their name is evident as they don't belong in Hyrule in the first place, attempting to take control of its Golden Power. This also connects really nicely to the Triforce symbols that are found in Ikana, which show that some tribe that lived in Termina did indeed have knowledge of it - the same one, seemingly, that created a statue of Majora in the Stone Tower Temple, and opened a gateway to a dimension seemingly linked to the demon inside that temple.
@OmoiSenpai2 жыл бұрын
The Gerudo mark on Zant is because Ganondorf played a god figure to him. I don't think the gerudo's got anything to do with the people of the twilight realm until Ganondorf came through. As far as the sheikas being involved with the Twilight & Majora's Mask. I feel like that part is true. We've seen the sheikah's going evil before, like with BOTW. Who'se to say that these "interlopers" wouldn't be a select handful of corrupted sheikah that wanted to dominate the sacred realm using the Fused Shadow, a creation from a type of dark magic that they shouldn't have been digging into, and because of that, they got banished to a different realm for being taken in by the "Dark Magic." As far as Majora's mask being made before the fused shadow & Interlopers. I feel like that part is true. My thought is that the being "Majora" who'se had beef with the fierce deity was perhaps the beginning of the whole sheikah-to-interloper fiasco as a way to try to get a 1-up over the Goddesses behind the scenes. To have itself turned into a mask, I feel like it was in agreement with an association to Demise (or one of his henchmen, like perhaps one that disguises itself as the Masked Salesman) This way, Majora can be hidden, and corrupt the sheikah race ( one of Demise's enemies being that they were the guardians for Hylia herself. ) We already know that the sheikah are the best at creating technology, so perhaps the corrupted sheikah-turned-interlopers developed the fused shadow with the inspiration of Majora's mask to take control over the sacred realm. But once they failed, and the goddesses intervened, the mask was taken away from them to be hidden around the world (in the hands of the masked salesman) so that's why over the years, the people of twili aren't all that evil. It could also make sense as to why the goddesses ordered the three light spirits to seal away the magic, rather than straight up killing them. Then again, I don't think they've ever killed anything now that I think about it, but because despite being interlopers, they're still the Goddesses guardians. But of course, it's just the beauty and mystery of LOZ. Just like how there is a upside-down triforce on the eyebrows of Majora's Mask.
@SALshaNoma2 жыл бұрын
That was my thought as well, that because of Ganon Zant would have symbols that were meaningful to him.
@paulpower99592 жыл бұрын
Here’s a minor mystery for you I haven’t seen anywhere else as far as I know. If you go a little northwest from the Spring of Power in BotW, you’ll find a slope leading up Death Mountain with a surprising amount of enemies, namely Lizalfos and Fire Chuchus. Get to the top and the slope becomes a series of cliffs with some Pebblits on the ledges. Halfway up, you’ll find a ruined stone structure with ruined walls and stairs leading up to a platform. I was curious about it for a while since it looked like a lookout spot. But looking out for what? If you look out the window to the right, you can make out island on Lake Akkala and the roads leading to the Citadel but not the Citadel itself since it’s blocked by Death Mountain. If you look dead ahead out of the window on the opposite side of the stairs, you can see the East Akkala Stable, the Akkala Ancient Tech Lab and the roads between them. One thing to note, is that if you look at Death Mountain from the Akkala Ancient Tech Lab, it’s just about impossible to spot this structure. Now go further up the mountain. Here’s a building with the layout of the soldier garrisons and outposts we see, mostly ruined, with hardened lava having rushed in through broken sections of the walls. Here’s the question. Why is there a lookout and garrison that can’t be spotted in this little hidden spot on the mountain? It can’t be to monitor Death Mountain. You’d pick a safer spot. To keep an eye on any soldiers marching from Akkala Citadel? Maybe, but why only when they’re marching north and not the citadel itself? Given that you can spot the Tech Lab but you can’t see either the lookout or garrison from the Tech Lab, I think it’s possible that the royal family was keeping an eye on the lighthouse. We don’t know who operated it before Robbie did, but maybe it was more Sheikah. And given how far away it is from central hyrule, maybe they feared the Sheikah were covertly operating behind the royals backs, thus leading to spies being placed on Death Mountain to keep a faraway eye on things. I can’t imagine they were there for protecting the lighthouse, given they’d have to descend the volcano and cross the Akkala valley and again, the citadel is just down the road. Even the idea they might have been watching for invaders by sea falls a bit short in my mind given how obscured the sea is by Tumlea Heights and Death Mountain.
@Rprot_traveler2 жыл бұрын
Thats is interesting will have to check it out myself
@MSFVIDS2 жыл бұрын
I believe the happy mask salesman is very deceiving in what he says and who he claims to be. I think he has some dark secrets and something to do with the majoras mask that we don’t know about.
@alphacypriot2 жыл бұрын
Nell is a ghost. The lantern, which is associated with ghosts throughout the series, is a........DEAD GIVEAWAY!
@Godongo Жыл бұрын
Imagine fighting calamity Ganon over and over for 100 year without a single game over (death). No wonder Zelda was really wanting link to hurry up
@imjustelm2 жыл бұрын
it’s always so great to see Adam and Jordan in each other’s videos, I get whiplash whenever they collab 😂 and these are great theories! I’ve got nothing to add, but wow, Nell’s story caught me by surprise. I had no idea they don’t respawn after blood moons. completely unrelated, but I have a small headcanon that Link sees remnants of people’s memories in the places he visits, maybe as a weird side effect of spending a century in the Shrine of Resurrection and having to recover his own memories through photos in the Sheikah Slate. so if he were to go to the Akkala Citadel, he’d see flashes of soldiers laughing and eating together, training under the harsh sun, and grieving and fighting as they held their last stand. I need to replay this game, I miss it already
@geianimari652 жыл бұрын
That's a nice theory, about Link seeing memories when he visits a place. Do you see it more like, he sees ghosts, or like, he remembers his own memories of the location ?
@imjustelm2 жыл бұрын
@@geianimari65 more on the route where he sees ghosts, almost like holograms of people who were there. his visions would have the scenery restored to how they were when the memory took place, and he could just see short glimpses of moments those people shared. they wouldn’t be able to see him, Link’s visions would be like the memories in-game, where he’d sort of re-enact events in his mind, except he’s actually seeing them and not just closing his eyes and remembering
@Substitute_Zero2 жыл бұрын
Yellow fur, orange noses, blue mask-like markings around their eyes, tendency to dig and pop out of holes in the dirt, affinity for stealing things... to me it's always been a mini theory that the Mogma became Minish Cap's AcroBandits at some point in their evolution
@ModelsAtWar2 жыл бұрын
I think the Mogma evolved into the Subrosians. The mogma were quoted to love staying down in their lair all day and relaxing. I think they were supposed to help subdue ganon but instead faked their own deaths somehow (or just simply hid their identities) and stayed underground out of guilt and survival. And the Subrosians also live in an underground lair. And are very secretive about their identities.
@Octuber.2 жыл бұрын
This was another amazing video! Bandit games and hyrule gamer! What a collab for this amazing series
@HyruleGamer2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@chubbsthestuntmonkey72622 жыл бұрын
We've talked about this a little bit, but I want to know, what did Mido *actually* do in the fallen timeline to get a town named after him?
@hiddendesire30762 жыл бұрын
2:37 I thought they specifically took that appearance for Link to feel like one of them?
@Alexman472 жыл бұрын
9:35 I believe when Link went back in time, he has the Triforce of Courage and by that logic splits the triforce up in the child timeline which Young Zelda would of gotten Triforce of Wisdom and sadly Ganondorf getting the Triforce of Power, just for Zelda and Ganondorf, the Triforce lay dormant inside of them until a certain time passed.
@geianimari652 жыл бұрын
I rather think it stays dormant until the bearers have a trigger that activate its power. For Ganondorf in TP, it was being killed, for Link it was being dragged into the Twilight, and Zelda maybe the Twilight too. In OoT, Zelda/Sheik does willingly activate the Triforce by revealing their identity to Link, but we don't know how they triggered it in the first place. I don't remember how Link finds out he has a part of the Triforce. As fI don't remember for Ganondorf, but either he triggers it in the final battle, when his castle is destroyed and he turns into Ganon, so when he gets killed again, or he triggered it prior but I don't know how.
@enforcerridley1582 жыл бұрын
1. *"What happened to the Magmas?"* Despite their name, I actually doubt they are actually native to Elden. My reason for this is that they are Treasure Hunters and traveled to Elden Volcano in search of treasure. Perhaps they left for elsewhere long before the Gorons moved in. 3. *"Hylia worship"* The first appearance of the Hylia Goddess Statue is actually Zelda II, The Adventure of Link so Hylia was created before Skyward Sword. There's also Lake Hylia and the "Goddess of Time" in Majora's Mask. This doesn't actually answer the question of Hylia vs 3 Goddess Worship but the existence of the Goddess Statue in Zelda II is an indication that Hylians worshipped Hylia at the time while the very concept IRL of the Three Golden Goddesses wasn't a thing until A Link to the Past. 4. *"Divine Prank"* My interpretation of the divine prank is that when the Hero of Time was Sent back in time, he had the Triforce of Courage. However, when he was sent back in time, the Triforce of Courage from the Unified/Adult Timeline didn't go back with him and shattered into 8 pieces as a consequence. When Link arrived in the Child Timeline, he automatically gained the Triforce of Courage from the Child Timeline because he was supposed to have the Adult Timeline version. And since Link automatically gained the Child Timeline's Triforce of Courage, Zelda automatically received it's Triforce of Wisdom and Ganondorf automatically received it's Triforce of Power, and Ganondorf only found out he had it when sometime after his execution and imprisonment into the Twilight Realm after accidentally using it's power upon dying from being lethally impaled by the Sage's Sword out of desperation of refusing to die. It's still a consequence of Zelda but it's not really a divine prank or some punishment. Merely the consequence of cause and effect. Side Note: *"…like the Zora race becoming the Rito…"* …sigh… I'll say it again: Only Medli's family seems to have Zora blood in her veins as there is another Rito in the Wind Waker who descended from the Running man, therefore has Hylian Blood running through his veins. Therefore, Medli descending from the Zora is not proof that then entire race Rito descended from the Zora. According to Eiji Aonuma and the Ocarina of Time Manga, the Rito existed by the time of Ocarina of Time, the Manga being the very first appearance of the Rito.
@SabbyCat522 жыл бұрын
I remember ages ago someone noticing the sheika eye on the fused shadow, and proposing the Interlopers were defectors (like the Yiga) from the sheika. Perhaps some ancient Gerudo were also part of that. Anyway, I've always been of the mind that the Twighlight realm itself is what turned the Interlopers from Hylian appearing to the Twili. Untold centuries in the darkness would cause mutations and evolution into an entirely new race. I like the idea that the Fused Shadow is a manifestation of Majora's power. I like that it adds mystery to the mask rather than solve any!
@HECTOR8HELL82 жыл бұрын
The Ghost soldier theory is very neat and well grounded with what little is given. I approve.
@HyruleGamer2 жыл бұрын
😎💪
@MrBanksLP2 жыл бұрын
The theories, ideas, concepts and speculations make my day always. Thanks for the Work! Well...I would like to add my little speculation too. My theory about why we won't see darknuts in BoTW2 in just a few sentences: Worldbuilding-wise the Zelda community has collected enough data to conclude that darknuts seem to be some kind of creation, sometimes dog demon shaped, sometimes humanoid. The creators are a grey area tho. I would suggest the shiekah to fill this role. Darknuts seem to be elite knights programmed to protect sakred relics therefore they might have been created to aid the royal Family and the shiekah in their Quests. In BoTW this role is filled out by the Guardians. Maybe the shiekah thought machines would be better than an elite knight type life form but it seems Ganon teached them again.... What does that mean for BoTW2? It is unlikely that darknuts will appear as the life form that we see in minish cap, ww, or twilight princess. I would highlight the idea of cyborg/android type darknuts maybe in the image of the pirate boi as seen in ss as an alternative. Thanks for reading.
@theninjabird95102 жыл бұрын
I always love colab videos especially with BanditGames
@drswag00762 жыл бұрын
the interlopers made Majora's Mask, the Twili are the descendants of that tribe. hey, maybe it was also the interlopers that fought against the Ikana Kingdom and the creators of the stone tower.
@TheZebbga2 жыл бұрын
I posted my theory in the last video, but here it is again incase you decide to feature it next time: The Zora in the Downfall Timeline are savage and violent because they isolated themselves from Hylians. This could be because to seal Ganon away after Link died, it cost the Six Sages their lifeforce so it meant Ruto died. The Zora blamed the Hylians for this and isolated themselves, degressing into the Savahe River Zora. This could be likely as we saw how spiteful the Zora got in Breath of the Wild after Mipha's death so maybe the same thing could have happened for the Downfall Timeline.
@Eleehas2 жыл бұрын
One thing I did find interesting was the Twili's prophecy about the Sacred Beast and the Hero of Time. It definitely isn't a coincidence that he would leave howling stones around the map, entrusted his arsenal to the different races, that he himself can transform into a wolf, and that the Twili had a prophecy about a Sacred Beast that can save them. To add to that, we see that Link's wolf mode happens when in contact with Twilight while having the Triforce of Courage, so it leads one to believe that the Hero of Time, since he had the Triforce of Courage coming back to the Child Timeline, at some point came into contact with the Twili, leading to the prophecy since he would've been transformed into a wolf there. He probably foresaw a conflict between light and shadow and began giving his bow and stuff to different races and leaving Howling Stones for his descendants just in case. Idk just my thoughts since it sounds kinda cool
@UncleMoke4762 жыл бұрын
I have a theory that's not about lore, but behind the scenes stuff. The dev team are trying to erase the Kokiri, even from the lore. Even though the Koroks are supposed to be a sort of evolved form of them, they're a very different species, much like the Zora and the Rito, who BOTH returned in BOTW despite this fact. Every other race, besides certain enemies, were in BOTW. Even the Minish were planned to be in BOTW, but the Kokiri were left behind, their only reappearance being a single ghost form of one in WW. In the lore of OoT and WW, the reason every Link wore a green tunic was because he grew up with the Kokiri. Then, in SS, this was retconned to be that it was his training class or whatever that was why he had worn the green tunic. Even though OoT is a major point in history for The Legend Of Zelda, and many other aspects of the game are shown in one form or another, the Kokiri are ignored by the dev team. This is a huge disappointment to me because I love the Kokiri and would love to see Saria interact with a reincarnation of Link. They're a missed opportunity if you ask me.
@MollyOKami2 жыл бұрын
2.) I always just thought that Nell either was wearing armor that had been passed down in his family for generations…or he had purchased in in Hateno Village, just like Link did. 3.) An interesting point, here. The KZbinr, Gaijin Goomba did a video on Christian imagery in the LoZ series. the odd thing is that pretty much all instances occur in what we all now know of as the "Fallen Hero Timeline." I made a joke comment on it that, maybe, with the Hero defeated & that timeline being an especially hard time for Hyrule, the People of Hylia decided to abandon the old gods they felt had abandoned them and looked for another who might heal their suffering. 4.) The thing to remember here is that the powers of the Triforce (and each subsequent piece) is completely without any moral compass. Even though these are shards of the power of the goddesses of Hyrule's creation, the ability to use the Triforce is amoral, in the literal sense of the term. It's theoretically possible that the "Divine Prank" may be to keep a balance of that power, but it still seems just a case of fate that the three people are just destined to play, not matter how they try to fight it. 5.) It could also be that the tribe that created Majora's Mask may even either be from the Interlopers, themselves, or a precursor to them, a tribe that inspired them.
@sethdusith60932 жыл бұрын
"Twili are not an old enough race" yea, unless they happen to be the Zonai. Maybe the Zonai were their ancestors, maybe the zonai made the mask, with its dragon and stone like designs
@Nektarios372 жыл бұрын
Theory, following up on Majoras mask being made by the twili (more so some evidence presented in that subject) what if the twili aren’t a race of their own originally, but rather a cult-ish group, made up of a some people from a few different races, this would explain the sheikah and Gerudo imagery and such, and they could, through time spent in the twilight realm and the natural progression of races combining would explain them becoming their own race as well
@disabledshyah2 жыл бұрын
I love the lore of these games and putting together the pierces of this puzzle. I was so excited to see this upload. I have always found it interesting how many guardians are in the Forgotten Temple: and wonder if it’ll be a dungeon entrance in BotW 2. Sending so many of his mechanical death spiders to this FORGOTTEN temple suggests that it has special significance to Ganon, despite no longer holding any for the Hylians. In the trailer of the sequel we see them having to travel a great distance underground to wherever they find Ganon, which appears to be under the castle. Maybe the entrance to these caves will be located under or past what we see of the Forgotten Temple ruins in BotW. I also got thinking about Majora’s mask and it’s possible connection to the Twili. Since the mask was created before the Twili’s banishment, I agree that it may have been made by their ancestors. Before creating the fused shadow they may have created the mask but when it was stolen/destroyed, they decided to make a better one that would further challenge the Goddesses power.
@arkydaarcticfox94972 жыл бұрын
I think the twilight realm plays a bigger part in there series than we realize. The place itself has been there as long as Hyrule has, whether inhabited or not. Maybe lowrule and twili are connected, maybe (modern) monsters are influenced by the twilight realm, or are darkness leaking into Hyrule at dusk, or even the change in races/ disappearance or races are because of it. I'm not sure how or what the twilight realm is in relation to Hyrule, but it's hard to believe the events in tp are the only ones where twilight mixes with light, especially considering the mirror in botw. Some of these are more likely than others, but I know the twilight realm is a big puzzle piece in the ever expanding lore and mysteries that is legend of Zelda
@XBANGARANGX2 жыл бұрын
I would still love to see a theory done on the happy mask salesman actually being giraheem
@geianimari652 жыл бұрын
What ? I'm interested too ! What are your arguments ?
@XBANGARANGX2 жыл бұрын
@@geianimari65 well garrahim was known to perform hexing rituals it was never confirmed that he died alongside demise the happy mask salesman has a very similar personality traits to garrahim and the happy mask salesman is in possession of a mask that was used in rituals that is the short version of my argument I'm still looking into it gathering more information but I feel there's a solid chance I could be right
@geianimari652 жыл бұрын
@@XBANGARANGX It's true that we never actually witnessed Ghirahim functionally die. We do see Demise absorbing him inside his sword, but as Fay frequently gets in and out of the Master Sword it really means nothing. Then we see the sword disappearing when Demise is defeated, but we don't know what it means either. Not mentioning this happens in another timeline and that there is another Ghirahim somewhere roaming free, BUT I should explain the other timeline theory and it's long. I explained it in my own comment if it interests you tho. For the rest, I don't think the Happy Masks Salesman and Ghirahim are anythnig similar whatsoever. Maybe your arguments are very personal feelings about it, but maybe by some digging you could find some consistent hint to your theory.
@XBANGARANGX2 жыл бұрын
@@geianimari65 yes and I have been digging for anything that can conclusively connect Ghirahim and the happy mask salesman and majora mask is the most likely connection but not a definitive connection
@XBANGARANGX2 жыл бұрын
@@geianimari65 and the reason I say that is because I'm looking into who thought twinrova there magic
@asc3nded3972 жыл бұрын
Personally I've never really liked the whole "Twili created Majora's Mask" theory. I think aside from very general similarities of them being powerful mask/helmet and the small detail of the eyes (which really isn't that strong of a connection) there isn't much to back it up. Also, despite the similarities of the eyes, nothing else between the two styles matches at all. Majora's mask is very colorful and tribalist while the Fused Shadow and other Twili constructed things have a very geometric, monotone design that is completely different. I think it's much more likely that Majora's Mask was simply created by a yet unknown group in the series that we've never seen before.
@MrSoulcreek2 жыл бұрын
it could be, that because of Majora's power and the Interloper's history of trying to abuse powerful magical artifacts maybe the reason why the fused shadow has these weird similarties is because the Interlopers tried to imitate Majora's Mask... tried to get a weapon that works in the style of the mask but let's be real, the fused shadow while pretty powerful is nothing compared to the mask, the mask was capable of pulling entire celestial bodies out of the sky, and creating sub-dimensions (the moon-fields, and maybe even Termina itself) while only having control over a fairly weak host
@geianimari652 жыл бұрын
I personally don't see similarities between Majora's Mask and the Fused Shadow. And I'm part of the people who think Termina is a dream, allowing to connect the Mask and the Twili without it to have any incidence in the lore which is very convenient. Although it's not the main goal of the dream theory.
@nanadroid2 жыл бұрын
Just moved to Japan and totally missed my 2 favorite Zeldatubers collabing(I love many Zeldatubers but I get extra excited seeing you guys uploading)
@Exile_Sky2 жыл бұрын
11:46 The divine prank happened because Zelda couldn't undo the seal on the Holyland being broken and the Tri-Force dispersing to protect itself. Yes, even with the magic of time reversal (probably due to some order of manipulation). That's pretty much it. Ganon had the Tri-Force piece of power hidden within him and tapped into it when he was driven to near death. That's why he hadn't used it before then to escape, or do anything really. He was unaware it was there, because the time manipulation altered the way the event occurred, but not its initial repercussions.
@warrior_of_the_hood_link Жыл бұрын
Okay, where the freaking HELL did the Hylia statue go in 7:26?
@SALshaNoma2 жыл бұрын
I love to listen to all these theories because they are always things I never would have thought to even think about. I kind of like Bandits theory that the masks are the same just changed over time. It does make a lot of sense. I haven't played the old games again for a very long time so I can't really say what I think. I can only go off the information you both provided. It seems though that one thing is for sure that MM came from the Twilight realm we just don't know if its unique or if it formed into something new.
@VivioSaf2 жыл бұрын
11:00 ~ You could also have a alternative interpretation that, instead of a "divine prank", it was the direct consequence of Zelda's actions. The Link she sent back was in possession of the Triforce of Courage. The seal of the Sacred Realm dictates that once one gets the triforce they're more compatible with, the other two would automatically go to the ones more compatible too. So, by sending Link back, Zelda inadvertently triggered the Triforce's protection mechanism and gave Ganondorf the Triforce of Power!
@audioblogs122 жыл бұрын
There's a hylia statue in Zelda II. I think it's just called a trophy, but it definitely has the right shape and size to be a model for the statues we see in the different towns.
@alexandrabowen77362 жыл бұрын
Thank you for continually making fantastic content. I love your channel! You showed me how awesome the zelda community is and like im glad im here
@derekruehl55732 жыл бұрын
I think the gorons kicked out the mogmas from eldon ngl
@RBEO222 жыл бұрын
The Divine Prank happened because Link brought his triforce of courage with him when he was sent back. According to the lore if one is claimed then the other two seek out barers.
@heyitskaitNYC2 жыл бұрын
Seeing KZbinrs collab makes me so happy. Especially when it’s about Zelda 😍😍
@geoffreyrichards60792 жыл бұрын
Personally, I think the Subrosians from Holodrum and the Acro-Bandits from “Minish Cap” are the descendants of the Mogma.
@newshit71992 жыл бұрын
Hyrule gamer AND Banditgames? YES!!
@HyruleGamer2 жыл бұрын
😎😎
@newshit71992 жыл бұрын
@@HyruleGamer Here's a theory; The cursed swordsman tablet in Hyrule castle's graveyard(from twilight princess) is referring to the hero's shade's grave, or at least where he was supposed to be buried. "The cursed swordsman lies under the sacred tree..." it would make sense if he was cursed, and that's why he's in the form of a skeleton, rather than what he looked like when he died.
@ElodieCunningham2 жыл бұрын
I think the answers to bandit's issues with the twili not being around long enough is pretty simple, especially since we know they were trapped in the twilight realm long before ocarina of time: if they came from the sheikah, it'd be an ancient splinter faction. The eye's even inverted like the yiga symbol! As for the gerudo symbol, it's likely there as visual language to show his connection to ganondorf. His outfit isn't shown to change between the cutscene where he meets ganondorf and the present, but I'd be inclined to pin that on how much extra effort building a second model for a couple seconds of cutscene would be
@someoneelse20692 жыл бұрын
8:40 it could also have been because of the calamity 10,000 years ago, where it was still a war, and probably a scary/important time for people, so for the same reason as they would have done before the recent calamity, they could have started praying to hylia again.
@SimplyZeldaYT2 жыл бұрын
Great video as always! Love seeing these theories!
@HyruleGamer2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@Lego34002 жыл бұрын
Zant having the Gerudo symbol is easily explained, its there to forshadoe he works for Ganondorf. Veran and Onox both wear it and work for Twinrova in the oracle games.
@Thinkafurr2 жыл бұрын
Great duo! Bandit you've grown massive since you first dropped an upload congrats on the big changes also Adam your intro is soooooo good man. It's more iconic if not hauntingly beautiful, I'd say than your last!
@HyruleGamer2 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate!
@JoelBrewton2 жыл бұрын
Regarding no. 4...... My understanding is that Link has the Triforce of Courage within him throughout OoT, even when he travels back/forth using the sword. However, when Zelda sends him back to the point where they first meet, he brings his share of the Triforce with him, which results in there being TWO Triforces of Courage. Since the entire point of the Triforce is about proper balance, there cannot be two of one piece. This causes the Triforce to split up, unknown to anyone. The power and wisdom pieces go to Ganondorf and Zelda, respectively, and one of the courage pieces to make its way over to the adult timeline since there's no Triforce of Courage in that timeline anymore.
@ChelsWithTheGoodHair2 жыл бұрын
You look lovely yourself HG & Bandit!
@HyruleGamer2 жыл бұрын
Right back at ya 😎
@asipamanu2 жыл бұрын
When you mess with time it has a tendency to mess back. + From a certain point of view. In a Zelda video?! Nerd overload!
@WorldWeave2 жыл бұрын
The way I see the Devine prank is something like: Gannon: survives been big executed Sages: “what the hell gods?! This guy’s a war criminal!” Gods: “we miss the part where that’s our problem” (They’re literally gods…gods almost never care about mortal affairs)
@Redgrapes-uv1ru2 жыл бұрын
On the 3rd theory on the resurgence of Hylia worship is interesting. Worship can be different for people over time being a very devoted believer to questioning its origin but it never really stops to be part of history. All that can be known is more devoted believers started to look to Hylia. It is also known that Zedla’s mother was to teach Zelda about her divine power so the worship of Hylia definitely grew before the events of the calamity and may been reinforced by finding the statues when searching for the guardians.
@HavocHounds19882 жыл бұрын
Another thing to consider with the idea of the Twili being the creators of Majora's Mask is how Zant turns Midna into her imp form, you could classify that as a hex of sorts.
@ModelsAtWar2 жыл бұрын
I think the Hylia worship increased because before the great calamity, a version of Zelda probably awakened to her powers and moved around massive chunks of land to seal Ganon away. And I believe that’s why the BOTW map lines up only partially with any of the previous Zelda game maps.
@silverdust91762 жыл бұрын
Twili are a group of different races which got banished to Twilight realm in different points in time; Shadow Temple in OOT implies that Shiekah were chased and banished by the royal family of Hyrule after the succession wars before the events of OOT due to their fear of power being snatched by them. In Twilight Princess, it is implied that the interlopers, ones who possessed "evil magic abilities" were also banished into the twilight realm, which could've been some rebellious Sheikah like Yiga long after in future, ones who rebelled against the royal family. It is also strongly implied that after Ganondorf was caught, his people the Gerudo were also banished in Twilight realm ; the reason why there's no Gerudo during TP can be this, and we also know how royal family keeps banishing Sheikah from time to time because of their distrust, like in oot tp and even a thousand and a hundred years before botw, the reason why Yiga exists. Pretty sure that Twili are the cultural and physical evolution of Sheikah and Gerudo collectively, which together are referenced as "interlopers" and are even possibly tied to "Zonai" of botw.
@nooneinparticular98792 жыл бұрын
Hey hey hey! I bet you didn't think about this, but maybe the sheika tribe are the real villains in the series? Their symbols are found all over the place and on masks and weapons of power. I wouldn't be surprised if in a change of leadership at some point an ancient sheika leader twisted the goddesses words by convincing the other members of the tribe to make weapons of power, but was stopped by the hero of *********.
@l-plays5872 жыл бұрын
Submission 4: I think, time Manipulation isn't a Cheat. It's probably even intended. After all, in Skyward Sword Hylia herself manipulates time.
@trischandler3022 жыл бұрын
Mayhap the Interlopers were the same group who created Majora's Mask, and then when they were exiled to the Twilight Realm they re-created it with the Fused Shadow, including symbols of power they discovered in Hyrule. Like, they came from Termina/possibly Ikana, and that's WHY they're called Interlopers. They weren't ever from Hyrule and were trying to steal the power of the single most important Hylian artifact. We also know that the Sheikah Eye exists in Termina in MM, so possibly it's presence in Termina reaches back to around the time the Interlopers traveled to Hyrule in the first place. The Sheikah Eye could also have been added to attempt to control the power summoned in their rituals, as we've seen the Sheikah use and control dark powers. Zant wearing a gerudo symbol is easily explained - he took it from Ganondorf, his new god. It's standard heraldry for a servant to wear their master's symbol.
@biCARRIEous2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely love the speculation around Majora's Mask! Great job, on this guys. 🖤
@tjeerdtrekkie10302 жыл бұрын
I always believe the theory that the tribes from Ikana build the stone tower to reach their heavens (like the tower of babel) but instead led them to a portal leading to the desert (all the while thinking they reached the heavens) where Twinmold eventually resides. This desert connects to the gerudo desert and that is how they entered Hyrule. This is of course linked to the idea of Termina being a mirror universe of sorts. And Link entered this place by going through the corridor in between the woods and the clocktower which was a portal on its own
@shengali54712 жыл бұрын
The Mask theory, and the Twili being connected to Garudo and Sheikah made me think of a Breath of the Wild theory: One tribe splits in three, like the Triforce, with a group following Wisdom (Sheikah) Power (Garudo, later into Yiga. SS even shows Groose, most likely ancestor, was ultimately a good guy and helper despite being a little bit of a bully/jerk. Like the Yiga in Age of Calamity…) and Courage.. but that group is missing. We wonder on Zonai or that green glowing magic in BoW2: It’s Twili, too courageous for their own good in the past they sought the Triforce, like Link inevitable does, but were not the fated recipients and got trapped and punished and the rest is history etc Heck, they probably asked for a pure or perfect world and were sent to a new realm, Twili, since ours can never be pure/perfect with Demise’s Curse out there!
@Zeldahol2 жыл бұрын
Awesome HG and Bandit in the house. Good video. Good theories again. All solid. See ya Gentlemen.
@HyruleGamer2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot!
@meleefox32182 жыл бұрын
But the Interloper War took place in the Unified Timeline, between the time periods of The Minish Cap and Ocarina of Time. The Dark Interlopers can't have "gotten their hands on Majora's Mask" in the Child Timeline if they had already been sealed in the Twilight Realm centuries beforehand.
@tumultuousv2 жыл бұрын
The mask was made during the war??? Not sure what your disputing
@alisonmagowan21142 жыл бұрын
so in the majora's mask manga there is a little side story on how the mask was created. if you take that as canon, it explains how it was made, but it was supposed to be used for good. the ancient tribe used it for evil rituals; and according to some cultures, objects can take a life of their own after a long period of time.
@Little-Dude2 жыл бұрын
A thought on the Hylia situation: She is worshipped more prominently in Skyward Sword because the people of Skyloft are more directly influenced by her lifetime. She's the reason why Skyloft exists, after all, and Skyloft is rather separated from the rest of Hyrule. When the Hylians return to the surface and there is more interaction between them and other species, it makes more sense that the focus would be less on Hylia (something of a minor God) and moreso on the Golden Goddesses, who are responsible for the creation fo the entire world itself. Other species probably recognize the Golden Goddesses, as well, as they relate the Hyrule as a whole, not just the Hylians. Now, why she returns as a main figure in BotW I believe could just be a passage of time and the change of religion. Its obvious that so much time has passed by the time we get to Breath of the Wild, so the creation myth could have fallen into obscurity, the dragons being the only remnants of their names. The history of Hylia and the Hylian's understanding of the reincarnation cycle could have shifted their attention back to her specifically. Discovering the Forgotten Temple is probably a key to that as well.
@ThebSayraduka2 жыл бұрын
Actually, on Submission 4 (in fact, something that you've constantly brought up regarding the 'divine prank' on Ganondorf across multiple videos) Ganondorf ALREADY HAD the Triforce of Power. At the end of Ocarina of Time, the Triforce was already split with Link already having the Triforce of Courage (as shown on his hand in the post-credits scene) so, Zelda and Ganondorf already had their respective shards of the Triforce as well, but at that point in time, only LINK knew about it while Ganondorf & Zelda didn't because Link kept his memories while he was set back to BEFORE he met Zelda in the garden. So when Ganondorf's execution came around, no one knew until the death blow was dealt and that's when the Triforce of Power kicked in and saved him. That's why the Sages referred to it as a 'divine prank' because no one knew Ganondorf had it so it was a sort of cruel joke of fate
@Average-Joe8512 жыл бұрын
I betting the resurgence of the worship of Hylia is due to excavation of the ancient artifacts. It could be the Hylia was just about forgotten in exchange for the more prominent and more well known The Golden Three. After all even the Golden Three also seem to blip off the radar towards the end of the timeline. It could also be a kind of hierarchy pantheon where you have Hylia who rules them all, then the Golden 3 rule over a variety of aspects and then the 6 six sages that reincarnate to help keep Hyrule running.
@Chris-gx1ei2 жыл бұрын
The "Divine Prank" is actually a Mistake made by Link and Zelda: Link took the Triforce Piece of Courage back to the past causing the Triforce there to shatter before it could even be touched by Ganon and causes one of the pieces to get sent back to the future. Link basically uptained the Triforce of Courage before Ganon could uptain the Triforce of Power and this resulted him to get the Triforce of Power because of fate
@nayruofthezoras14582 жыл бұрын
In regards to Hylia having a resurgence in Hyrulian religion, maybe it was the consequences of the war that took place 10,000 years ago. During the original Calamity the people of Hyrule would've seen firsthand the raw divine power that possesses the princesses of the royal family. Previously the showdown between whatever plagues the kingdom happened away from the audience, but this time the action took place in a battlefield where the army, Champions and Guardians aided the heroes. The Sheikah themselves swore to protect the Goddess's mortal forms as stated in Skyward Sword, and continued to uphold this practice even after the Kingdom turned their backs on them for their technological advancements. For all we know the people of Hyrule had began to speculate on the existence of a fourth Goddess after seeing Zelda's powers or the Sheikah may have confirmed it. These may be faulty guesses but its fun to theorize :) There is so many ways to look into the idea of Hylia being reintroduced into Hyrulian mythos that many theories or headcanons can be discussed!
@RyuuKageDesu2 жыл бұрын
The stone tower, from Majora's Mask, flips upside down, and has a portal like structure at the top (or bottom?). The Yiga clan turns Sheikah symbols upside down, and possibly alters the eye symbol in other ways, for their own uses. The eye symbol on the back of the fused shadow looks like just an altered symbol. I think there is just enough information to suppose that the interlopers were Yiga. Add in the Majora's Mask information, and I can easily see the fused shadow being a reconstructed Majora's Mask, after Link destroyed it, by the Yiga.
@paulwright7742 жыл бұрын
I hate to break the akkala soldier ghost theory, but I have seen the guy respawn. I saved the dude when I first went to the tower. Later, when I was about ready to go fight the calamity, I decided to go on one last ride around hyrule, just to take in the sights one more time. I came across him fighting his moblin again when I was coming down out of the akkala region on that last grand tour. Perhaps he doesn't respawn as often as other npcs, some of which will even respawn without a bloodmoon, but he does reappear.
@KitKat-cv3xy2 жыл бұрын
Nell also carries a lantern which is often a sign of spirits in zelda. i can't remember other travellers having them (but my memory isnt the best)
@TheGreatBooster2 жыл бұрын
In the case of the resurgence of Hylia worship in BoTW's Hyrule, I always figured it had to do with the equal resurgence of the Sheikah and their more prominent role in that time. As established in Skyward Sword, the Sheikah are effectively Hylia's mortal agents, and they went from serving her to serving the Royal Family that carried Hylia's bloodline. My assumption was always that the Sheikah never stopped worshipping Hylia, and when thousands of years later their technology became widespread in a bid to calculate and control Ganon's regeneration cycles, so too did their religion of old.
@garethtompkins72322 жыл бұрын
In the last theory I believe the interlopers were shiekah ppl that defected from the shiekah that served the Royale family. They(interlopers) created Majora's mask in an attempt to steal the triforce and that's when they were banished to the twilight realm. These interlopers were banished with their knowledge and power. It's therefore possible that over the time they populated a whole nother realm they were able to create the fused shadow in likeness of Majora's mask. Infact the main interloper was probably Majora him/her self.
@nillynush48992 жыл бұрын
09:34 Like Steins;Gate, the Hyrulian world line was switched when Zelda and Link manipulated time. Even though Ganondorf was stopped in the future, that was now a new world line unconnected to the previous past. When Link went back to being a child, That Ganondorf was still a Worthy Vessel for the Triforce of Power. Him being stopped in the future did nothing to impact his worthiness for the Power piece, thusly, history was not altered enough to bring Hyrule to a world line where Ganondorf was no longer a threat. Even if Ganondorf wasn't almost executed, the Triforce of Power was guaranteed to become his because he will Always get it on that world line.
@fatalwaffle17152 жыл бұрын
AWESOME VIDEO! And Cool Theories.
@geianimari652 жыл бұрын
I love Hyrule Gamer, I love MaskedNintendoBandit (wait when did he change his name?!), and I love theories, and I will never stop telling mine until it is in a video ! So, here's my theory in short: There is a split of timelines in Skyward Sword but the developers/scenarists/whoever made the decision about that didn't know how time travel works and there are loads of inconsistencies about time travel in this game. The theory in not short: (and sorry it might take a while, and sorry if I make mistakes, English is not my native language) I have a very strict way of thinking how time travel works in fiction (and considering it doesn't exist aside from fiction, how time travel works at all) : what already happened can't be undone, even by time travel. That's why there are two ways of time travel to act on time : - in the case of a closed time loop, traveling in the past doesn't change the timeline, the time travel already happened before the time traveler traveled in time ; the time travel is part of the timeline. - in the case of a time split, traveling in the past does actually change the timeline, but considering what already happened can't not have happened, the timeline from where the time traveler comes from stays unchanged, and a new timeline derivates from the original one, with a different course of event. This was probably clear for most people, but it was important to state before talking about the main subject. Speaking of which : In the end of Skyward Sword, after Link fought the Imprisoned for the last time and used the Triforce to destroy it, Ghirahim kidnaps Zelda, and travels back in time to free Demise at a time where the Imprisoned hasn't been destroyed yet. Then Link follows him in the past to fight and kill Demise, before returning to his own time with Zelda. And here's the problem : in the future of that past, the Imprisoned doesn't exist anymore, because Demise was killed and NOT SEALED BACK INTO THE IMPRISONED as some people think. Because the Imprisoned is the restrained form of Demise caused by the seal of the Goddess Hylia. In the original timeline, Demise was sealed until Link fought him several times before using the Triforce to destroy him. Considering what happened in the past in the final act of the game, they created a new course of event where Demise was sealed into the Imprisoned for way less time, freed by Ghirahim from the future and killed by Link from the future. In the future of this course of event, the Imprisoned doesn't exist anymore, so it can't be the past of Link's present, where the Imprisoned did in fact exist, he even fought it several times and destroy it with the Triforce. So, at this point, a new timeline has been created, with a different succession of events, because the past was changed, but the original timeline still exists, unchanged, and continues to exist on its own. However, when Link and Zelda (and Goose) go back to the present, they find Impa and the Master Sword they just left in the past, like they've been waiting the whole time for them, which should be in a closed time loop case. That could mean they went back in the present, but of a timeline that isn't theirs. And I can't tell you how messed up this is. And there are a bunch of hints that lead either to one or another model of time travel, because I really think the developers didn't know how time travel works, or at least not as strictly as I conceptualize it. I didn't talk about Zelda in her cristal yet, I thought I could put it aside from the timesplit paradoxe because the loop was closed before Ghirahim created the new timeline, but Impa stayed in the past so the Gate of Time was never closed, so Ghirahim traveled in a past where Zelda was in her cristal, so what happens to her if there's a time split ? And if the ending really is the end of a timeloop, how comes that Impa is here all along but not the Master Sword ? And this is not the only time the Gate of Time is used in the game, when Link plants the Tree of Life is messed up too, because when he leaves, the Tree doesn't exist in his present, but once he planted it in the past and comes back, the Tree always existed here, so why did he have to plant it in the first place ? Now, I have a sort of solution to all the paradoxes and inconsistencies (except for the Tree of Life, this is hopeless), but it's more of a fanfiction that a proper theory. We know Goddess Hylia had a sort of foresight or future visions, and she created the Gate of Time, and I humbly assume she knows how time travel works. She may have known the Gate would be used in the future, and the possibility of either a timesplit or a timeloop. She could have given instruction to her servants who would be here at that time, namely Impa and Fi (we call her Fay in French, in Japanese she's called Fai), to do so the paradoxes of time travel would go unnoticed by the mortals. That may be why Fai insisted to stay in the past after killing Demise and absorbing the remainings of his spirit ; to go back to her original timeline would mean there would be two of Demise in the same timeline, so Impa could have sent the Master Sword of the other timeline to the original one so there is one Master Sword and one Demise in each timeline. That may be why we can't see the Master Sword in the Temple during the game as we can see Zelda's cristal and old Impa. Same goes for Ghirahim, I don't really know what happens to him when Demise is defeated, but at this point there is two of him in the timeline, so Impa and Fai would have to send one in the other. And about Impa, actually I'm not sure, because she's from the past in the first place, but she traveled in time really early in the course of event, so I'm not sure there is another version of her in the past. But to be present in the original timeline in the end of the game, she must have used the Gate of Time to travel to it before it closes in this timeline. Thanks for reading this far, I hope it was clear, I hope it will get someone's interest, good luck re-phrasing it for the video if you take it Mr Gamer.
@Infernalisk2 жыл бұрын
I personally believe the divine prank is the result of Link travelling back in time at the end of Ocarina of time.According to the Ganondorf monologue before his battle,if someone is imbalanced, they will not be able to wield the full triforce.As a child Link couldn't have had the wisdom or power to have all three pieces,only courage remained.In twilight princess,it is clear that Link and Zelda were born with the Triforce of courage/wisdom and Ganondorf has the Triforce of power.I'm not sure if this is true in The Zelda series,but i may as well be,in pop culture,generally when two things from seperate places in time that are the same,will fuse and become one,what if when Link travelled to the child timeline,he accidentally fused the riforce from that timeline wih his triforce of courage,because he was imbalanced,it would split and go to the strongest,and wisest people in Hyrule at the time,Zelda and Ganondorf,Link would be left ith the triforce of courage and it would eventually be passed down to the hero of twilight.
@oriongurtner72932 жыл бұрын
And another one, for #5 this time That is a ‘Twili’ mask, but not necessarily made by them, it’s made OF a Twili, one similar to Zant If you’ll remember: Majora’s Mask isn’t just a magical mask, it contains the dark spirit of an entity, one that releases itself during the final battles of that game And as you fight that being it transforms into something that, at the time, wasn’t recognizable compared to other bosses, maybe Nightmare from Links Awakening, but nothing _before_ Fast forward a few years to Twilight Princess, toward the end we fight Zant, a wily ‘dancing’ fighter with now _very_ recognizable patterns Specifically Majora’s wily ‘dancing’ fight patterns Majora was a powerful god-like Twili, sealed into the mask by a precursor to the Sheikah, or the Sheikah themselves
@noblebarbarian37392 жыл бұрын
There's nothing to suggest it in amy of the media, but I always read Crom (Fierce Deity) and Majora as being half brothers who were constantly at war with one another, with the moon being Crom's father, and Majora's father having been some kind of sun God who Crom would have killed in one of their many prior battles, also the Goddess of Time (or at least the Goddess of Time of Termina) is their mother which is why she couldn't just kill them, and so eventually turned to a group of sorcerers to have them bind the two Gods to masks, and then the Giants would have been left to tend to the battered and scorched earth, themselves being some kind of elemental spirits born from the terrains, while the sorcerers kept and used the masks for their "hexing rituals."
@braydenbanks42282 жыл бұрын
Mini Theory: farosh, dinrhaal, and naydra are farore, din, and nayru forced into a spiritual form that is impotent in interacting with the physical world in any significant fashion, hence most people in breath of the wild not being able to see them And also why they tend to show up nearby their respective Springs, lest anyone forget dinraal's path starts north of death mountain, which would also be north of the spring of power in akkala, farosh tends to hang out at Lake Hylia and Lake Floria, both of which are relatively close to the spring of Courage, and naydra's lair is literally on top of the spring of wisdom at Mt Lanayru's Peak.
@CreepyTikiHome2 жыл бұрын
If you're taking more theories, I have one. I think BotW is a fourth timeline. Child timeline: Link is sent back to get to live his childhood, we get Majora's Mask as a direct sequel. Adult timeline: Link is sent to the past, but the world he left behind continues on with its hero now having vanished. Fallen timeline: Link loses to Ganon/Ganondorf. What about if he stayed as an adult with Zelda instead? Doesn't get sent back, but continues to rebuild Hyrule and Zelda never sends him to his stolen childhood. A fourth timeline, and maybe one that BotW is in? In Ocarina, we learn that the Gerudo have male children every 100 years, and with Ganondorf dead, the next reincarnation would bring another hero 100 years later. Over and over, like an arms race as the centuries go on until we get to the technology of the Sheikah 10,000 years prior to BotW. If BotW 2 confirms that Ganondorf hasn't actually died, it could explain why he hasn't reincarnated to schedule, and why the technology was lost. I haven't been able to fully flesh this one out yet.
@CreepyTikiHome2 жыл бұрын
If that was the case, though, then each Link would have left behind a stack of training and cheat codes, maybe even control over some aspects of time like in the BotW2 trailer. Their magic just keeps getting stronger and stronger, and BotW has to relearn hundreds of generations of Heroes that perfected beating Ganon.
@santibelmondo54802 жыл бұрын
I would love a theory about how do the timelines merge into Breath of the Wild. Breath of the Wild seems to come from no timeline, yet all at once. Hyrule Warriors (original) should be canon, there, the timelines merge, but if it keeps non canon, what happened?
@andresbarquin2 жыл бұрын
The timelines don't truly merge in Hyrule Warriors, more like pockets of space and time from other times poked into the time of Hyrule Warriors. A true merging of the timelines would be a 100% merge. If, say, it was only 33% of downfall, child, and adult, then 66% percent of each timeline would still persist as there own timelines, which, while interesting, would make the zelda timeline much more complicated than it needs to be.
@XBANGARANGX2 жыл бұрын
If you look really closely during ganandorf's execution it is the triangle within the center on his hand that glows brighter the rest are faded
@darialispacheco13172 жыл бұрын
An amazing video, but I must differ in Majora’s part According to the Zelda Encyclopedia, page 11, in the history of Hyrule AFTER Skyward Sword, years pass and they mention the Banishment of the Twili (page 11, point A being the fourth mention, which, as the game says, are a group wielding strong magical powers who desired the Triforce) and they, as a possibility, can be some corrupted Sheikahs (nope, I personally do not trust 100% the Sheikah) maybe even some rebel/greedy Hylians and some evil Gerudo (I mention them because of the exact location of the Mirror, is in the Gerudo desert and it shows that there was foreshadowing of the use of mirrors even in OOT so yeah. Also I mention them because of two things: their hair color that is red/orange and that is Gerudo signature, and how Zant fights. Those fighting skills are Gerudo and indeed are the ones that the Garos use in Majora’s Mask so we still are in the same timeline too) The Twili indeed are confirmed to be archaic/ancient enough so they can even be the ones who could create or influence on Majora’s Mask as even a prototype for the Fused Shadow/Midna’s Helmet.
@quickeningheroes2 жыл бұрын
Twilight Princess Theory: The Hero of Time was forced, by the Hyrulian royal family, to leave his family with Malon to uphold his promises to marry Queen Rutela (Ruto). Politically advantageous for both kingdoms. This explaining why the Zora armor fits Link and why her child is fatherless. Sub Theory: Ruto is Rutela's childhood nickname.
@leviplaysgames68482 жыл бұрын
what if the zonai are the early twili explaining their disappearance? Powerful magic clothes that increase their strength (barbarian set/mm/fs), warlike people who would fight to claim the triforce, disappeared without a trace as an entire race(only thing close to that was hylia moving people to skyloft), eyes in their architecture(explaining possible shiekah twili connections), worshiping the most powerful being around them as a deity (farosh/ganon). It feels like the answer has always been there, its just too simple to accept.
@RespawnGod2 жыл бұрын
For the majora's mask connection to the fused shadow I pose that the Twili originate from a mixture of races primarily Sheikah & Gerudo they share cultural and physical traits of both, that eventually mutated through the energy of the Twilight realm and
@linkhail68492 жыл бұрын
I’ve been curious about the Ocean Temple in Spirit Tracks. It’s always been perplexing that the Ocean Realm is the only realm that shares its realm with another realm (other than the Dark Realm in the Forest Realm but it’s basically like the Other Side so), The Sand Realm. And, about 100 years ago, maybe a little more, the ocean flooded out the land, meaning the ocean wouldn’t have been where it lays in Spirit Tracks. It would’ve been much lower. Seeing Byrne left the Tower of Spirits 100 years ago, about the time of the flood. He’s a grown man, and seeing as the other Lokomo are elderly, they do age, so it’s likely they existed here before the time of the flood. The temples likely were places of worship for the Spirits of Good, and for the Ocean Temple to be an *Ocean Temple*, there would have to be an ocean there, but if there wasn’t one that high in ancient times, probably when the Lokomo were more abundant (if there were ever more than seven), what was the Ocean Temple? Did the divine race of the Spirits just *move* it? Did they build a new one? These buildings are so important, and the Lokomo have extensive knowledge, it’d be weird for a new Spirit to just emerge, that is if these temples were used for worship or something before they became a primary source of power for the Tower Of Spirits. What is the story of the Ocean Temple?
@Tommy-bd2wq2 жыл бұрын
I think the Happy Mask Salesman was part of the tribe that made Majora's mask. Maybe thats why he knows so much about it.