Is This Mod Pointless? Treble Bleed Push Pull Pot Mod

In this video we cover what is potentially an utterly useless mod on a push pull pot....BUT it is definitely worth knowing from a technical point of view.
Treble bleeds/volume kits can be a bit like Marmite - you either love them or you hate them. So this mod is a great way to quickly A/B test between having a treble bleed and not having it, so you can quickly and easily decide if you like it or not. Other than that, I am not sure why you want this mod when there are plenty of other things to do with a push pull pot.
HOWEVER - this mod is really worth knowing. Not for the practical side of things, but from a technical point of view. As this mod, perfectly and clearly explains best how a push pull pot works. If you can understand how it works, you can pretty much wire push pull pots at will.
All you need:
- 250k push pull pot (we use CTS in the video)
- Treble bleed of choice (we use 0.001uF + 150k resistor)
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[@DrClaw78]

Thanks for this. I think I'd want it for 1 good reason: interaction with pedals. I have a TB mod in my strat that *loves* a Selmer buzztone for those spiky Syd Barrett tones, but hates a germanium fuzz face - going too thin and spitty.

[@robertmay5091]

Can also have it to switch between two different cap values, if you find that different pickups on the guitar sound best with their own specific cap value

[@chrisnash8411]

I like this mod and have wired a few, in to certain guitars... as I modify my volume to the different sized venues and to the impact the band will have on my sound. It's like you said ... "it's a matter of taste", but also a matter of perceived need... ( In my case anyway ). PS great channel ...love it!

[@apuadofrancisco]

not totally pointless, this will be very useful on 1 volume control only. so if they want a clear tone roll off volume then trigger the treble bleed else it will be an alternative for vol-tone control

[@Bob-Whiting]

@SSS YEah, here in the US we Do have the equivalent of Marmite/Vegemite. We call it Smegma Yeast Infection, lolz

[@SixStringSupplies]

haha theses jokes were inevitable :)

[@Bob-Whiting]

@@SixStringSupplies Glad you can take a ribbin', as I was only joking. I hope you don't actually like that stuff. I smelled it once...

[@FletcherHandcraftedGuitars]

Good to see you back ! I Enjoy your video's.

[@SixStringSupplies]

Thanks! Good to be back

[@Dudeitsmeee]

Another tip I've seen is to solder alligator clips to the treble mod cap then clip it in, see if you like it, if so solder one in. I've also seen someone wire in those breakaway push in terminal sockets like you would use in a guitar pedal to test cap values. The pickguard had a cut up section for access to the cap. When he decided what value he wanted he did the actual soldering with the "non test" pickguard.

[@SixStringSupplies]

Yeah the alligator clips are useful!

[@Bob-Whiting]

After that um Tasteless joke, I did also want to say thanks for the great vid. Been a subscriber for months.

[@SixStringSupplies]

Thanks for subbing - should get a more regular output of content in the coming weeks.

[@Bob-Whiting]

Great, love your content. I have "chatted" with you before but I changed my thumbnail to my current looks rather than the 30 yr old I once was.

[@gelderlandproduction]

Exactly what I needed. Pointless? Yes.... But a good tool for the studio guitar.

[@AverageAlGuitar]

not a pointless mod if you want to use the occasional fuzz pedal. fuzzes tend not to like treble bleed circuits, so having it be switchable is really useful.

[@oldasrocks9121]

This is often very good for fuzz face circuits: with the bleed on cleaning up with the guitar volume control more or less fails, off it works as it should. I either Gilmour switch it or use a Fender S1 volume pot if Im feeling spendy.

[@bluwng]

Why do they call it bleed, bleeding implies you are losing something, in this case, treble which is higher frequencies. It is essentially a high pass filter, if that’s true then you will lose minds and lows.

[@vexedpixels]

bleed doesn’t always losing something. for example bleed in lights means you’re getting colours mixed in with each other, or sound bleeding from another room means you can unintentionally hear sound you’re not intended to.

[@SixStringSupplies]

You're right - I dunno...it is popularly known as a "treble bleed" because this is what started on a forum somewhere and now every single company that sells them calls it this, and so google will dictate that it is a treble bleed. More accurate to call it a treble pass filter. Either way, it is the same thing. A treble bleed, reduces the amount of treble that is bled to ground, a treble pass allows treble to pass. Thanks for watching.

[@hansvancamp6284]

A good reason to have this would be that a treble bleed sounds better most of the time at lower volume pot levels, except when you roll down the volume to clean up a fuzz. This simply doesn't work with a treble bleed at all. So having this option makes a lot of sense to me.

[@manonbassguitar]

By far one of the better explanations, thanks!🤘🏼

[@lokmankamal]

I did kind of same like these..but using a slide dpdt and a connector so i can swap the cap without soldering. treble bleed is something i dont need all the time but want it to be there when I want to..so mod like these works for me 👍😁

[@SixStringSupplies]

that sounds cool and a good idea using the slide dpdt!

[@MikeArwineGuitar]

Great vid lads! Hope you all are staying safe over there!! -Mike from Japan!!

[@chriscreed6410]

It’s not at all pointless. A treble bleed really messes with a fuzz pedal. Being able to turn it off when you’re using fuzz is incredibly useful.

[@benjamindover761]

Dude I put treble bleed on push pull pots with humbuckers and when you roll down the volume and put the bleed in circuit it makes a huge difference in tone and boost.The secret is the value of resistor and cap used. Not pointless at all in my experience.

[@onecalledchuck1664]

It also works better if you don't put the RC circuit across the _common_ poles unless the point was to have it always engaged, which is not what I think of with a/b testing.

[@jeeeeev]

I wish you installed also the pickup so I can have an idea on where to connect what.

[@jasonbelga4436]

Do you have a diagram of 7 way sss with volume as the push pull, treble bleed always on and dual cap with tones?

[@Thoughtscape]

Appreciate this video! I wired it up with the pins going to 2 and 4 instead of 1 and 3 to get it working in the down position instead of the up but somehow it seems to be that the treble bleed engages in the up position? Any idea what might have gone wrong?

[@rfshuvo8162]

If my guitar has both 500k pots, the values of cap and ohm are the same???

[@emadid05]

If my guitar has both 500k pots, the values of cap and ohm are the same??? Tks greetings from Mexico

[@redmodpedals9100]

no demonstration?

[@MrNickRowe]

I lik this mod for the fact you can then a/b it to see if it's worth it

[@SixStringSupplies]

Indeed it’s better than constantly swapping and changing that’s for sure!

[@MrNickRowe]

@@SixStringSupplies love the look of your solderless kits btw... Will have to get some as I've got into making pickups so swapping them about these would be brill

[@SixStringSupplies]

Thanks Nick - we soon have the ultimate solderless kit launching this time next week so keep an eye out for that

[@kvvnng]

Just tape alligator clips to the circuit :)