Is This The Best Custom Shirt Program? | Proper Cloth Unboxing

[@glenparks8529]

Following you has improved my style of dress tremendously. As a pastor and being in front of people every Sunday looking well put together is important…thank you.

[@v_r_]

Thanks for watching and supporting the channel. It’s always good to hear that my content has been useful. I do some 1:1 and a ton of group coaching inside of my “WELL-DRESSED” flagship program. If you’re ever interested in hearing more, shoot me an email at [e-mail].

[@TRusheeRush]

Proper cloth faces stiff competition from Spier and MacKay and Luxire. I'd go with any of the three depending on my preferred fabric and collar type. Spier and Mackay offers the cooper collar which is the absolute best shirt for going without a tie. Ratio has the most sophisticated shirt fit adjustments, and offers some great long collar points. The Roma button down collar makes for a superb OCBD, with 4" collar points! Proper cloth also has an actual brick and mortar showroom that you can go to for fitting, if you can make it into NYC. Luxire offers the deepest customization. You can basically freetext whatever you want into your order comment and they'll probably do it. Custom collar sizes, band height adjustment, rear collar buttons, etc. Their Broke and Bespoke collar is excellent for OCBD as well with 3.6" collar points. Luxire also has the most fabric options, free mother of pearl buttons, and generally the cheapest price point, with Spier being usually slightly more expensive, and Proper Cloth being the most expensive. There are also some pretty interesting shirtmakers form Singapore, Yeossal and Collaro, who also do very long collar points and cooper collars, but at a bit higher price point.

[@v_r_]

Thanks for the great write-up. If someone is starting out and looking to stay within a lower budget, S&M is very hard to beat. In my experience, their shirts are prone to shrinkage unless that’s been fixed. I’ve always heard great things about Luxire although I’ve never tried them.

[@anttiskate]

If you don’t need extensive customization, Luxire is a bit pricey. Especially for the european cloths. Plus their website user experience is truly awful. The product and service is top notch though.

[@Freco1967]

I've tried a few, and PC is by far my favorite. Great selection of fabrics, superb customer service team and very quick turnaround time.

[@v_r_]

I concur on all those points. I couldn’t believe how fast they arrived.

[@Freco1967]

And they are extremely generous with complimentary redo's if the fit isn't quite right. Thanks for sharing the word about PC, Vladimir!

[@kamala80]

Yeah, I have been rocking with Proper Cloth for some years now. I can't compliment them enough. Glad to see this review of their products. Great job Vlad.

[@v_r_]

They’re excellent. I’m definitely late

[@danielduggan5405]

Proper Cloth is a very good brand. I have a few of their shirts, and I’m very happy with them (though I did get measured in their showroom). Also, the number of customization options for the cost makes them an outstanding value. Thanks for the video.

[@v_r_]

It’s my pleasure. They’ve been in my radar for a long time, so I was very happy when they reached back out.

[@Sshooter444]

I also often wear a pink and light pink shirt. The color really makes a nice contrast, but subtle.

[@v_r_]

Exactly! I mostly wear light blue but pink is always a nice change up.

[@yuta3699]

I just tried an ocbd shirt from proper cloth and I love it,I tried spier and Mackay and was disappointed with their quality and poor customer service then I moved to proper cloth and the difference is like day and night,spier and mackay was a waste of money,proper cloth from now on for me.

[@v_r_]

I’m glad to hear you had a good experience. PC’s customer service is second to none. I hope you got to use my 10% discount.

[@elevatedsupernova]

I can vouch for Proper Cloth! Thanks for the upload. Question? You mentioned washing the shirt several times. Do you normally “hand-wash”,”machine wash”, or take your shirts to the cleaners?

[@v_r_]

I use to dry clean my shirts but now I machine wash them using the delicate cycle and let them air dry. As far as the shirt that I’m wearing in the video, I hand washed it since it wasn’t dirty and it was just one shirt.

[@glenparks8529]

I have followed you for a couple of years…I was under the impression that you only rock white or light blue shirts. Never thought I would see you unboxing a “pink” shirt

[@v_r_]

Yes you’re right, I used to wear light pink a lot more before but I’ve been wearing it a lot lately and I’m glad I did. Thanks for watching!

[@TeslaRules1856]

They are my primary MTM shirt provider. Like the non iron shirts. I love the hidden button down collar option. One lesson learned - if you dont wear ties, get the standup placket option as some of the shirts have a reputation for collar collapse when worn unbuttoned. Lastly the question remains - are they the best MTM suit and sport coat program ? Will they outshine Spier & Mackay? Jury is out as I have sent two suits back to them for fit issues and waiting on a third replacement.

[@v_r_]

Good tip! I haven’t tried their suit program yet but I heard it’s not as easy as measuring a jacket that fits you well and try to duplicate it. Is that what you did and what were the issues?

[@TeslaRules1856]

@@v_r_ I flew to NY to get fitted in person. It did not appear to help - at least the the Bedford suit line. I trying the Allen line now.

[@RobertMcGinley1]

Great review. I’ve been using proper cloth for years and you sum up the plus and minus perfectly. I also love your vest!

[@pattgsm]

Vlad, quick question. Maker of those suspenders @9:24? Your style,recommendations and insights on menswear are best on KZbin! I don't wear business attire and formalwear often but when I do, I wear it with confidence thanks to the information you've shared over the yrs. Thank you for what you do.

[@v_r_]

Appreciate your kind words, fam! Those are boxcloth suspenders from Albert Thurston. You can often find them brand new on eBay.

[@pattgsm]

A few years ago, I purchased a set of Albert Thurston suspenders. I've noticed that the back half of your pair has a very interesting design with the ring, which is not a typical Y-strap or a normal X-harness type. Is this a specific model or style of suspender? I'm currently searching through the Albert Thurston website and eBay for that style. Edit: I've found that the Boxcloth suspenders come in this design, while the elastic and woven ones have the Y and X configurations that I'm more familiar with. Thanks again!

[@v_r_]

@@pattgsm Yes! That style is exclusive to the boxcloth. I'm glad you've found them.

[@jake2011rt]

I always feel like online-only custom clothes are such a minefield. I have ordered one custom product online and got burnt bad due to measurement issues. I'm glad you've got your numbers down pat Vlad!

[@v_r_]

I agree that buying clothes online is usually an adventure. The good thing with Proper Cloth is they have a ton of experience, so as long as you have a good-fitting shirt to duplicate the measurements, it’ll more than likely work out. Not to mention that they offer two complimentary remakes just in case.

[@RajeshGupta-hs1nx]

Nice video. Could you do an extensive review of the Suitsupply custom-made shirt program? There are reviews of Suitsupply's custom suit program on KZbin, but none on their custom shirts, especially regarding white dress shirts. I also have two questions: What are your thoughts on having an elevated height of the collar, for example 4 cm instead of 3.5 cm? Suitsupply offered this option, but they have unfortunately taken it out of their custom program. I wondered what the difference is between having a 4 cm collar height and a 3.5 cm height. Another question (I am talking about when wearing a tie): I used to wear metal collar stays with my off-the-rack business dress shirts for a long time because style youtubers recommended metal collar stays. Since the non-iron fabric was rather stiff, it seemed ok. Once I started buying high-quality custom shirts recently with Thomas Mason non-iron cotton fabric, I noticed that aesthetically the metal collar stays are somewhat visible from within the fabric of the collar and let the collar's natural way of draping be hampered. The flexible plastic collar stays on the other hand seem to give the collar a more natural drape and look when I tie my tie. What do you think? I used to look down upon the plastic collar stays and think that the metal ones were better. Now I seem to be changing my mind.

[@v_r_]

Thank you! Collar height is all about finding the right balance. If you have a longer neck and/or a slimmer face, then a higher collar makes sense. Regarding Suitsupply, I did reach out to work with them but I don’t enough followers yet 😂. As far as collar stays, my recommendation is horn or bone. They’re more flexible than metal and more durable and classy than plastic.

[@MauricXe]

I love proper cloth. Ive been shoping with them for awhile. I highly recommend. I despise visible monograms. I put mine on the inside of my collar

[@v_r_]

That’s a good spot! 🙌🏾🙌🏾

[@TheRicosauve]

Great review as usual Vlad...I've been hearing about Proper Cloth lately. Will be ordering one today to try out. On a side note...wondering if you would consider doing a video of the style differences between English and Italian. I think some believe English/American style is more for corporate and gentlemen look while the Italian style is for guys who want to be more trendy and may not be appropriate for the office or as an addition to a "gentlemen's" wardrobe.

[@jipmaster55]

Any thoughts on Proper Cloth's Londoner collar?

[@v_r_]

The points are too short for my liking. I always recommend 3.5” minimum to ensure they always stay hidden under the jacket’s lapels.

[@jipmaster55]

@@v_r_ That makes sense. My only hesitancy on the 3.5 point length is that I am only 5'8 and about 155 lbs, so I don't want it to look overwhelmingly long on me. Thank you for the response!

[@v_r_]

Ah got it! I don’t think 3.5” would look super long on you, just remember that the extra length will be hidden anyway.

[@armandol1826]

How do they compare to Eton or Stenstöms? Those are the gold standard, other then Anto BH, etc.

[@anthonydaniels5910]

Another good one sir, can’t pull the pink off but I’m feeling the collars

[@v_r_]

Why not, fam? I’m sure you can as it’s a lighter pink.

[@johnosei5748]

Do you take your shirts to the cleaners or you wash it yourself? Also, I have never seen you with French cuffs on your shirts.

[@v_r_]

I use to drop them at the cleaners but now I just do it myself so I have more control. As far as French cuffs, only on my tuxedo shirts.

[@stylishoversixty9459]

Vlad, I'm on it right now going to order the light pink cloth!

[@v_r_]

It’s a nice one, Frank. Don’t forget to use my 10% off code RICHE for your first order.

[@biscuitnoir1]

Intro! Missed that very much haha! Great shirts I have heard great things from them.

[@v_r_]

What’s up, fam?

[@S_Kane]

0:01 dope tie

[@v_r_]

Thanks, fam! It’s from Shibumi.

[@sdn4134]

Vlad what kind of tie knot is that?

[@v_r_]

Sorry for the late reply. It’s a four-in-hand.

[@sdn4134]

@@v_r_ that’s clean bro. Can you do a tutorial about knot tying? That’s a clean look. I’m in banking and thinking about buying wide collar shirts. By the way is it a difference between wide collar and spread collar shirts?

[@v_r_]

@sdn4134 it’s basically the same but there are different levels to a spread collar such as wide and medium.

[@the.dirty.pigeon]

My only beef with Proper Cloth is that they don’t adjust the width of the standard placket proportionally with the width of the shirt. This is really more of a short/slim guy problem than a complaint but it would be great if they were able to offer a slim placket. The shirts I ordered from them were lovely but the placket was too wide for my build. It looked a little off.

[@v_r_]

Ah got it! That makes sense. Have you ever tried Luxire? I hear they’re really flexible.

[@the.dirty.pigeon]

@@v_r_ Yep! Luxire is where I get my shirts. They are very flexible but I’d say Proper Cloth has them beat in terms of a simple ordering experience, for sure. Luxire has been a lot of trial and error but I’m very pleased.

[@the.dirty.pigeon]

@@v_r_ Yep! I usually order shirts from Luxire. It took some trial and error with them but I’m happy with the results. I’d say Proper Cloth has them beat in terms of ease of use with the website ordering experience though.

[@yuta3699]

I just ordered my first proper cloth shirt 2 days ago,I have stopped buying from spier & mackay due to their inconsistent fit and poor customer service.

[@v_r_]

I hope you were able to use my 10% off code.

[@yuta3699]

@@v_r_ no I wasn’t able to use your code,I ordered 2 days before watching your but thanks for all you do.

[@meshumi1]

Great review!

[@v_r_]

Thanks, fam!

[@Pizza-gb1ch]

Nice unboxing as usual.

[@v_r_]

Thanks, bro! Appreciate you

[@Mrcologne76]

Thanks for putting me on this

[@v_r_]

It’s my pleasure, fam. They do great work

[@thepyrrhonist6152]

slightly morbid, but the shirt JFK was wearing when he was assassinated also had a sleeve monogram. its on display at his museum at the book repository.

[@v_r_]

I have mines on my left torso actually. RIP to JFK though.

[@comicog3]

You wouldn't catch me wearing a pink shirt, light or dark. It's nothing against the color, I don't think it's too feminine. It just does NOT work against my skin tone, no matter how much I've tried.

[@v_r_]

I understand. Not every color goes with every skin tone.