Is This The End Of Men OF War

Men Of War is releasing a new game and their newest look at it shows something terrifying.
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[@skippy7311]

Love the part where they go, "What are we, some kinda Men of War?" Really one of the games of all time.

[@username-yc3bd]

I remember when in men of war assault squad 2 they said “it’s assaultin time” and assaulted everyone

[@pixel6964]

I talked to RobZ around the same time this beta came out and asked him; Do you realise you've effectively killed men of war? Anything that the Devs put will now be compare to what you did and how it doesn't reach those standards. He didn't really think about that but agreed mainly because of the poor reception he has seen for anything coming out of the series now. It's funny how one little mod can surpass the game it was built on and set a bar so high the devs cant even pass it.

[@BigBossXCV]

Robz is working for the Gates of Hell team not the fake men of war one

[@jacksheldon8566]

But in the end, valour was more fun than robz mod.

[@ridwan3533]

​@@BigBossXCVI'm still confused why we need to buy trash game aka Call to arms to play Gate Of Hell when DLC basically made by improved engine that can be sell for a new IP for WW2 RTS Game More confusing is why publisher realease men of war 2 with outdated engine with only slightly improved graphics while developer Gate of hell still Update own game with more passion than Call to arms and men of war is already death from beginning

[@BigBossXCV]

@@ridwan3533 it's not hard to understand....the developers of men of war left Best Way and made Gates of Hell (Barbedwired Studio). Originally it would be stand alone but their publisher abandoned them and they didn't have the license for the engine. Call to arms was another game made by another studio who had the right licenses so they decided to publish GOH under them as a DLC to save the game. Men of war 2 is just an attempt by Best Way to make a sequel without the original dev team. Like making an Halo without Bungie

[@ridwan3533]

@@BigBossXCV ahh i see thank for your explanation

[@cryptohappy66]

Men of war assault squad 3 is what we all want

[@PRIVILEGE_YELLOW]

HELL YEAH!!!

[@BigBossXCV]

Me laughing while playing Gates of Hell

[@dreadedTanker3173]

@@BigBossXCV specially with liberation coming soon

[@BigBossXCV]

@@dreadedTanker3173 yeah people don't understand that the original devs left Best Way and made Gates Of Hell instead

[@jacksheldon8566]

And that's just what the new classic / realism mode in the current new playtest is all about...

[@Caigul]

sounds like they went down to road a lot of devs try. trying to capture a more casual audience that will most likely have no interest in the game while pissing off the fan base and driving them away

[@the7A7dude]

Further proof modern gaming is dead

[@stephenb1367]

Men of war assault squad 2 multiplayer just needed the updated engine and netcode and some new maps and units and I would of be all over it

[@KeirGevo]

This was what a lot of us was saying to Instinct but he went a completely different way making a game that was not set in ww2. Bunch of people got angry and he never listened but kept going ahead with it Also we were asking for custom maps to be automatically downloaded when you join someone's server but that was also not implemented Moral of the story is listen to your player base

[@stephenb1367]

​@@KeirGevoTrue, its a real shame how it worked out. Digitalmindsoft had some real talent at one point 😢

[@michaelhawkins7389]

@@stephenb1367 Men of war as2 is still a masterpiece and with mods its amazing

[@The13thRonin]

Well this was extremely disappointing. Edit: THE TANKS HAVE HEALTH BARS!? ... I'm done. No buy.

[@pyrobytee]

pretty sure they changed it back to tank modules system

[@The13thRonin]

@@pyrobytee The fact that they would be stupid enough to change it in the first place makes me extremely skeptical about the game.

[@pyrobytee]

@@The13thRonin well its in development ofcourse. they do something major and open it for playtesting so they can receive feedback whether to remove or keep the change

[@The13thRonin]

@@pyrobytee No.

[@pyrobytee]

@@The13thRonin yes?

[@FRANK45CASTLE]

It wont be able to top Osfront. Ive beaten all the men of war games love them. Got ultimate edition of call to arms and all Osfront DLC, excellent games. Osfront holds the crown as it is right now. I really hope this game can turn itself around before release but i just dont see it. Osfront has insane micro managing, to the point it can be overwhelming, in a good way. Plus that level editor is just insanely detailed. And you have that endless mode, which is amazing. Thanks for the review, im on board with your opinion.

[@stc3145]

Meanwhile CoH3 is also dead

[@lordDenis16]

Lol I was about to say, firsf Coh3 and now MoW3.

[@Clearwood_]

What is there to learn for the companies? People keep buying the games so as long as sales are good why change? Plus most people will rely on the modding community to save these games. I do wonder if that's why companies have gotten lazy in their development because they know the modding community will make mods to suit people's tastes.

[@korsan4954]

The funny thing is... rts games barely sell anymore so its pretty weird seeing a company keep making such weird decisions especially after Cold war

[@void1968able]

MOWAS player here. You are exactly right! I want penetration, not HP. I prefer a single tank and a single squad over 10 tanks. Airstrikes... ridiculous. The hollywoodish explosions, these tank dances as if they are in a battle arena. Why, WHY did the developers destroy Men Of War? I played GoH, now with Liberation DLC which adds the Yanks. So much more realism, no big explosions, just a gentle "whack" when you open up the enemy tank. Sometimes it cooks off, and it's beautiful to watch. Grenades just go "pop". The 1st person view which makes sense sometimes and drags you deep into the immersion. My heart cries that one day I will quit my outdated MOWAS and move to another... no Men Of War series anymore.

[@yourcommander3412]

Gates of hell.

[@deusameno579]

thx for your work again !

[@wojszach4443]

im not moving form my ostfront, dont disturb me when im sobbing that men of war died

[@_aquamarina9308]

I love the feeling when you controll the Tiger 2 or even JagdTiger super heavy tank, but still scare the hell of some bazooka guy, or even a small 20mm cannon can destroy your main gun made its became useless 🤣🤣

[@WindHaze10]

There is no reason to try out MoW 2 since GoH Ostfront exists. I have little hope they managed to remove arcadyness of their game in short window of playtest and release date.

[@romaboo6218]

MoW is 7 euros and GoH is 45

[@nobitanobi6535]

@@romaboo6218 Mow 2 isn't even out yet

[@somethingtoputonpizza6667]

as long as there's a editor I'm happy

[@MRDaved]

I have a few thoughts of my own. I really enjoyed the PVE gamemodes. I liked the troop selection and deployment it reminded me of tabletop Warhammer 40k. I'm hoping for mods and fixed netcode to really patch the rest of all this. I'm not into PVP. I'm also really tired of the GEM engine. It's outdated and needs to be replaced with an entirely new different engine. The graphics and performance are too held back by it. Granted I never got a slowdown playing, it's still a major issue. With engines like UE5 and such existing and seeing great graphics on RTS games in that, and it still running smoothly I'm disappointed. Also destruction isn't really any better. Placing troops in houses are still the same. It's just sad at this point where the franchise has gone, and that's really nowhere. Hell they have direct control but it's the most clunky thing I"ve ever seen it's not even fun to use. As for knowing where to hit a tank, I don't want to learn where to hit the tanks, and I feel like its not really needed. Tanks have obvious weak spots.

[@ridwan3533]

Modified version is "call to arms gate of hell" more realistic than Men Of War but for silly reason is stand alone DLC so you need buy main game a call to arms that's ironically no body want to play that game can you imagine you must buy DLC between DLC for play this game If they released separated early with different name, they probably will popular for now

[@Hlieyto]

@@ridwan3533 The reason it's CTA DLC is that the MoW devs didn't want to license the engine to them to make a competitor WW2 gem engine game using CTA's updated GEM engine as a standalone thing, so they got around it with being DLC. But at the same time, that turns a lot of people away, as they gotta buy 2 games to get the game they want (Gates of Hell). However, GoH is a decent spiritual successor to MoW, in my opinion.

[@rescamesta]

You are part of the problem

[@Thermonnuclear]

@@Hlieytonow you can play GOH by itself you don’t have to but CTA now

[@portman8909]

End of men of war rise of gates of hell.

[@theartificerchannel2110]

The Hud and UI really killed it for me in the play test and took away from the epic campaign style missions I used to love in MOW, something like the Algiers or the partisan missions were epic! Nothing will ever replace the feeling I had playing missions on RED TIDE! This was a great review and I hope they move away from this cookie cutter design that ruins the WW2 immersion! Nice stuff mate! 😎

[@turtlerx]

Shame because the competitive gameplay in men of assault squad was some of the best rts I've ever played. 3 thing that would make men of war better Dynamic ground physics More advanced soldier physics kindy like how vehicles have modules. Would love to see soldiers getting shot in the arm and not being able to use their weapon properly or can only crawl if their legs get hit More advanced building battles. Right now it's a bit awkward putting soldiers in certain positions

[@crowdozer3592]

I am so glad Gates of Hell Liberation was announced because I was really hoping MoW2 would scratch that western europe itch

[@CorporalAdrianShephard.]

Song name?

[@tidepod10yearsago97]

if only Mowas 2 had the feature when you hold down right click so the soldiers spreads out to cover

[@CyanTeamProductions]

Idk I like AS2, but I really had a lot of fun. Biggest issue with AS2 was like waiting 10 minutes for a tank and watching it vanish as soon as it spawns. Game is a little more forgiving

[@barahamzawi4897]

i was hyped for it but the trailer made me realize this is not men of war 2 so went back to asault squad 2

[@ssdrbx6180]

isn't call to arm made by as2 dev, which the engine is licensed by the guy who made mow2, and ostfront dev borrow license from as2/call to arm dev

[@pyrobytee]

call to arms and men of war are both owned by the same company, but gates of hell is being developed by a different studio

[@jacksheldon8566]

@@pyrobytee no. CtA Devs only did the assault squads. Older mow was done by other ppl.

[@jeylonblake3407]

They need to move on from WW2 honestly. Korean war,iran- iraq war, iraq war, desert storm, russo-ukranian war, WW2 games in my view have saturated the market already

[@rogerkintz4996]

"Just saw a men of war player with a war thunder girl, its so over assault squad 2 has fallen"

[@MCLegend13]

Galaxy At war is the only part of men of war I was ever interested in even tho I do love ww2 history as a die hard clone wars fanboy Galaxy At War allows for me to create my own clone wars battles well that is if I’m ever able to learn how the heck to use the editor mode.

[@SONManiac]

Amen

[@pwnedlifexx]

Your gaming & shorts link in the description are broken

[@ResonantRTS]

thanks for letting me know

[@pwnedlifexx]

@@ResonantRTS no worries! Much love from KoFe :)

[@mowfo]

I've accepted by this point that modded MOWAS2 will forever stay where it is because game companies are all deaf, blind and ran by businessman who have no idea how real people work

[@maverick8697]

@3:54 While I agree with you that this looks somewhat arcade all the GEM based games including MOWAS2 and GoH have tank health bars. Sometimes they are hidden from the player.

[@sabbatus]

i'll stick with gates of hell if it comes out like an arcadey shit

[@istoppedcaring6209]

they should have ADDED SOMETHING A)they could have been awesome and added an actual campaign awesome ideas would be 1) volunteer/expat/collaboration units, they existed in ww2 and to be honest for latvians the nazis were closer to liberators simply due to the soviets being terrible so it depends on viewpoint what category but local troops all the same 2) salvaged equipment, after every battle guns, equipment etc. is added to your roster, bonus if you actually grinded to repair and man enemy tanks, 2.1 allow for outdated verhicles to be modified into tank destroyers, apc's, spa, spaa,.... just a fun way to make it fun to grind and reward playing in a less destructive way. 3: an actual economy, ecology, .... B) add way more factions from all over, Belgium, Netherlands France, Austria, Italy, Chechoslovakia, Hungary, Turkey, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Spain, Portugal, Bulgaria, Romania, Ukraine (yeah depends on when historically), Poland, .... KMT, PLA, Mongolia, Australia, Indian Raj, Iran, South Africa, Canada, Mexico, Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina,.... it would be fun though some may be bothered by the existence or non existence of their countries during the period. C) change the period up, modern warfare would not really fit within the scope of this playstile entirely but even so it would be a lot of fun AND if combined with a world campaign it would be fun for players from all continents to be able to play their own countries, huge selling point, the fun part about digital products is that there is no per unit base production cost, you can sell to low income countries as well as high income countries at fitting prices,

[@snuskatten8173]

Exactly, would be fun to hear voicelines of your own language and immerse yourself in the battle

[@michelcivey4887]

Die Backspacetaste zur Reduzierung der Spielgeschwindigkeit funkioniert nicht. Hab das Spiel zurück gegeben. 🤨

[@jimster1111]

it plays like men of war arena

[@llmll7llmlldll201]

man . U completely right , all games now are in a marathon toward destroying realistic as an idea , they ignore basics and simple things we see as acore in a game !! not in million years am gonna play clowns jumping games nore id play a game corrupting its own game style (intentionally)!! . new yet close to people developers are needed ,, social ones who know what we need not the geek mental butterfly ones

[@snakemerc]

i hope they make it more serious...

[@atlanticgamer89_Anti-Furry]

I play tested it today and actually it's pretty good, everything bad you said in the video, I disagree, because they improved a lot.

[@Png131]

Time changes everything

[@teslo8020]

the playtest was garbage, didnt feel like assault squad 2 in all the wrong ways

[@jacksheldon8566]

The current playtest is better tho

[@nigthapexergamer498]

company of heroes 3 inspired i gues :D

[@ollenbollenbus214]

GATES OF HELL BEST GAME EVER

[@TheZEROfighterX]

It's unbelivable how company don't know that doing CLRL+C and CTRL+V and then adding new thing to the sequel game is better than everything they're woing since now. MOWAS 2 if wasn't for the outdated engine would be the best rts out there (specifically talking about mod that completely redesign the game like cold war, robz, valour, bifta and others). I still don't like so much GoH and CtA honestly, MOWAS 2 is still many steps forward.

[@billypilgrim1]

What don't you like about GoH? Just moved from MoW to GoH and I'm loving it so far. The dynamic campaign is really fun and has a lot of potential.

[@TheZEROfighterX]

@billypilgrim1 Seemed a bit incomplete for me, especially for the missing factions and contents that were already present on the previous titles of the series. Yeah, the dynamic campaign isn't bad, I like this idea from other games too, but the AI is still really dumb imo. The game itself isn't bad, maybe I'm only used to the MoW UI, visuals and it seems more fluid in most of the things compared to GoH. Also the mod compartment for now is way more richer on the MoW and for this main reason I remain on the editor of this game, once the devs of those mods load them on CtA or GoH I could definitely switch since MoW is effectively super-outdated and oftenly crash for the 32 bit structure and ram issues.

[@billypilgrim1]

@@TheZEROfighterX They are still working on it though, they just released the Americans as a faction last month. They keep releasing patches to further gameplay and mechanics.

[@Alexmercer12015]

No men of war2 is the end of all the men of war but you can still use mods from steam so its its not that bad

[@jacksheldon8566]

Well guess what? This new playtest has a new gamemode named "classic". (With realism mode) It is just like mowas2 but with new features. Basically mowas3.

[@AlimLung]

Here should be "sound" mentioned to. Bro when i hear those bullets hiting wood or something like that i want to unistall the game like instant. Swear this game its like being designed by fking clowns or some circus in term of sound design.

[@Roeper437]

Company of heroes was always arcade rts. I dont know why is everyone acting surprised.

[@jasonscott7077]

I really hope they dont fuck it up, i LOVED men of war games, dynamic campaign generator mod and it was the perfect ww2 rts... If this is an arcadey mess... ugh

[@cedricleclerc8211]

Yeah they gotta 1 up they’re games

[@antskaljurand3091]

Company of heroes was always arcade and not really the reason for there downfall. Health bars were just hidden but always there.

[@haufe012]

i think we have to wait until robz realism makes MoW2 playable after release^^

[@prettyawesomeperson2188]

Arcady historifal RTS is and always will be a no.

[@cloacky4409]

why

[@phoukka1]

Beta was HUGE disappointment for me. I have been playing this game series for over 10 years and this is absolutely mistake from creators. It way too arcade and ripped from its roots. Game mechanic is totally different. If you want play games like this, buy Company of Heroes and leave this crap to the store.

[@BigBossXCV]

Gates of Hell is the true Men of War 2, this is a fake game by fake devs. The true developers of Men of War (now Barbedwire Studios) left Best Way and made Gates of Hell as a DLC for Call to Arms (made by Digitalmindsoft) so i don't understand why people still expect things from Best Way. They don't have the knowledge, the talent and the skills to make a good men of war game

[@taimen720]

Sad

[@PhilippBrandAkatosh]

so much false information in this video, i played men of war 2 when it was open beta, and it was awesome way better than gates of hell with it´s bugged AI and false states

[@trivixni435]

yup, Men Of War II took the big L :(

[@gerusher6682]

I play Men of War: Assault Squad 2 with my friends every evening. We even manage to get full 8vs8 matches sometimes. We play vanilla, and to be completely honest, this game does not need anything. It is perfect. The balance is good, the replayability is endless and so much more. But of course, it will be 2024 soon, and a decade later, the possibilities are awesome. To improve and continue the series, without losing veterans, all they need to do is kind of make a Men of War: Assault Squad 2 Remastered or 3. Der UI shown in the Beta was terrible. Even in the new trailer, nothing can ever beat the UI in Assault Squad 2. It is simple, easy to understand and quick. Not too much information, not lacking information. Literally PERFECT. The game itself was realistic enough with that perfect sprinkle of arcade to accomodate everyone. Now they want to take all of that away, and I just don't understand why. All that is needed is simply a new engine to improve performance and to make modding worth it.

[@BigBossXCV]

Play Gates of Hell, men of war 2 is not made by the same devs

[@jacksheldon8566]

Gates of hell > vanilla mowas2 But now that mow2 has a new classic / realism gamemode that plays like mowas2 but with more features.....

[@BigBossXCV]

@@jacksheldon8566 I don't care. The original devs left so they can make whatever "men of war" they want but for me it would not be a real men of war. The realism, the attention to details, the correct armor penetration, the balance, the so called time to kill for infantry...it's all wrong

[@jacksheldon8566]

@@BigBossXCV but there is more players online on mowas2 than on gates of hell.

[@BigBossXCV]

@@jacksheldon8566 cus it's free....and I don't care about players. Should I play Fortnite cus everybody play that?

[@ZooOmer1994]

All the bad stuff mentioned here were fixed in latest beta. They created realistic regime where the game is not arcade.

[@tomzicare]

Tanks still have HP in playtest right now, nothing changed.

[@gimkerry2132]

i rather buy call to arms: Gates of hell.. It has better graphics and gameplay

[@bottle7443]

First

[@mrk0ma]

airplains are easy to counter learn the game before whining

[@alexeivasiliev7766]

Didnt like older Men of War titles, but Men of War 2 fun to play. I think these game for new players to series, who likes more active gameplay. Because older titles, players sitting and waiting while points will be enough to buy unit, or waiting until enemy buys unit. So, first of all for players from othert RTS/RTT games, like CoH and etc... Oh, and btw even for old farts (series lovers) there will be older system.

[@basicalot6712]

Both men of war 2 and call to arms are miserable to play

[@pyrobytee]

struggling to micromanage?

[@basicalot6712]

@@pyrobytee no they’re just not fun

[@att1049]

They made the game a shit show, this is not Men of War II, but Men of Failure II....

[@collinott2026]

Call to arms is a terrible game

[@latesleaves6759]

mow assault quad is still here luckly i styll jam with the bots but the gwaphics on mow 2, i sound like the people there trying to appeal too >:(