Is This The Future of Aikido? Breakdown of Shirakawa Ryuji Shihan Videos

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Martial Arts Journey with Rokas

Martial Arts Journey with Rokas

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@robertzarfas9556
@robertzarfas9556 5 жыл бұрын
When going the wrong direction the man who turns back first is the most progressive.
@punbishal5874
@punbishal5874 4 жыл бұрын
Wise words. 🙏
@yurisssecondaccount6674
@yurisssecondaccount6674 3 жыл бұрын
Based
@davidbetts2980
@davidbetts2980 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly, people play football for fun, so why do people get caught up on martial arts being effective as there only purpose. I train Muay Thai, Boxing, BJJ, Wrestling, and MMA. But I love a good John Wick movie better than a good UFC fight. Let's anyoy the art as much as the Martial.
@ALHEALY9110
@ALHEALY9110 5 жыл бұрын
I’m an Aikidoka and I love it. I don’t really feel the need to defend or criticise any Martial Art. In my youth I practiced a Karate based street fighting style called Zen Shi Ryu, it was insane! First class taught me how to break the neck to kill! It was certainly an effective form of self defence. What to be a great fighter? Get super fit! Harden your body! Be of strong mind! Actually practice fighting, with sparring and competition. It doesn’t matter what style you practice, if you’re good, you’re good. For me the problem was I just wanted to escalate every argument in to violence. I stopped training. Twenty years later I started Aikido, because it isn’t about fighting. The hint is in the name. None of my teachers claim that Aikido is about self defence. That’s not the point. Destruction is easy, cooperation is hard! I’d like to humbly suggest that concentrating on your own path is the way to go. After five years I’m still not very good at Aikido, it challenges me to be a better person, that’s really hard! It is great fun though!
@raymendoza2714
@raymendoza2714 5 жыл бұрын
Well akido sucks and it doesn't work at all for self defense your wasting your time
@tyleroldham4676
@tyleroldham4676 5 жыл бұрын
Join the UFC if it's so easy.
@TheInfantry98
@TheInfantry98 5 жыл бұрын
Lmfaooooo sooo your a worthless defenseless liberal
@legalmechman
@legalmechman 5 жыл бұрын
The problem with these loud mouths is that they are all missing the very first thing taught to police and anyone (such as a prison guard) who actually deals with real (vs sport) fighting: de-escalation. I have trained in many martial arts, been a prison guard, bounced bars etc. Been shot at, stabbed and dealt with more idiots than I'd like to admit...and I have come out much better than I have any right to because I have always tried to de-escalate a fight (vs so many of these MMA guys who are just ITCHING to prove they are the biggest bad-ass around). Unfortunately, as they teach you in the military, ground fighting is only to keep you alive until your buddies come and overwhelm your opponent...and don't think that doesn't happen on the street! Cops work in teams, bouncers work in teams, and I have seen more MMA guys end up with boots to the head because they didn't stop and de-escalate. Aikido may not be super awesome for fighting (but, hey...even some you-tube MMA-ers, fight perfect, have said to never give your wrist to an Aikido practitioner), but it certainly teaches de-escalation. When Brazilian Ju Jitsu stops pumping out angry I'm-going-to-beat-your-ass practitioners, maybe it will be a worthwhile artform. As of now, it is the Cobra-kai of the martial art world... And the angry, "You're a pussy" comments I'll inevitably recieve (such as the responses to this original post) only prove my point further.
@tyleroldham4676
@tyleroldham4676 5 жыл бұрын
@@legalmechman I would agree with you except your analysis of BJJ is childish.
@MohseenLala
@MohseenLala 5 жыл бұрын
"I'm so turned on by this" that phrase doesn't mean what you think it means rokas. But it made my day 😹
@MartialArtsJourney
@MartialArtsJourney 5 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣 Maybe lousy knife defense does turn me on? 🤨😂 Seriously though, language differences 😉 People forget I'm not a native English speaker
@masterbates6463
@masterbates6463 5 жыл бұрын
@@MartialArtsJourney Your English is pretty amazing actually. You should do a video on how to learn a foreign language.
@katokianimation
@katokianimation 5 жыл бұрын
Are you not? I haven't noticed. Geez, I have heard much worst English from native speakers. I'm looking at you Charles Styles from Mistery Dinners!
@shinwook5145
@shinwook5145 5 жыл бұрын
@Herald of dissonance I think there may have been a confusion here. Those rubber cilinders are dildos, not practice knifes.
@fabriciocaxias9572
@fabriciocaxias9572 5 жыл бұрын
What If he gets a boner watching It? 😂
@arrowindkid
@arrowindkid 5 жыл бұрын
I've met Shirakawa sensei. Very beginning of our conversation he already told me aikido is not for fighting. It is a very joyful and enriching experience to practice aikido as an art itself. I do also some judo, taekwondo and karate. I do believe martial art is like a subject. In school we learn history, science and many other subjects. Aikido is just one of the many subjects out there. To say one subject we learn will resolve all your problems is a mistake I believe. It is akin to saying a single martial art will solve all the fighting problems. As such, I believe in all respective martial arts, they all play a different important role in our society. At the end, I believe people have a choice to either to study one particular subject and loving it or choose to combine them in several ways fitting their system of believes.
@GOLIATHDarce
@GOLIATHDarce 5 жыл бұрын
My, Brother, am so sorry that you feel that way about aikido, but I will tell you that Aikido does work for self defense. I am a Security Specialist and I have used some of Aikido in my job and it does work. And am talking about being used on Gang members, Drunks , unruly people. not that am a practitioner or a teacher. All my learning comes from seminars and exchange of arts since my back ground is in Wrestling. Aikido is very good for self defense.
@paddyr1568
@paddyr1568 5 жыл бұрын
Rokad, you mentioned Aikido Flow, Im6curious what you think of them The main presenter is a bouncer and quite used to violent confrontations, I'd be intrigued to know your view of him/them
@paulgaughan1393
@paulgaughan1393 5 жыл бұрын
I agree with the knife aspect of Aikido. I too fell into the trap of believing that I was trained to deal with knives. I’m amazed I have emerged in one piece. I have withdrawn the Aikido syllabus knife techniques from my club for the very reasons you have outlined. I also teach Aikido with boxing punches, karate techniques with headgear and gloves and incorporate a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu syllabus, to provide a more realistic training environment and to equip students with techniques that are street ready.
@MartialArtsJourney
@MartialArtsJourney 5 жыл бұрын
Sounds great. Thanks for sharing
@arx3516
@arx3516 5 жыл бұрын
I think those anti-knife techniques can work, just wear thick clothes (biker jacket with a thick wool sweater underneath) and all those fast slashes aren't a problem anymore, if the knife is smaller than a bowie the slashes don't have the power to cut through the fabric or do more than superficial cuts, the only concern are committed stabs delivered with an icepick grip. There's a video done by Thegn Thrand that shows how good thick wool and linen is in protecting against slashes.
@UItimateGuitarCovers
@UItimateGuitarCovers 5 жыл бұрын
@Paul Gaughan, that sounds great, the real way martial arts should be taught. I have done kungfu, kickboxing, Tia boxing and now do karate. The thing I have found is with kungfu we never did enough sparing, but theres nothing better than being punched in the face. I also found that the higher you become in a system the more unrealistic the moves become for self defense
@pyrosophy680
@pyrosophy680 5 жыл бұрын
"The problem with Aikido is not that it is not effective, the problem with Aikido [...] is that it claims to be an effective form of self defense form". Be careful with the implications of the concept that you "equip students with techniques that are street ready" ;)
@joem2554
@joem2554 5 жыл бұрын
Night good for knife defences. I think you would really get destroyed. I think PTK, Kali has better knife defences.
@themelongourddevelopmentbo4963
@themelongourddevelopmentbo4963 3 жыл бұрын
Teaches you how to be a John Wick style stuntman. That’s fine.
@doutoralexandremansurreal5002
@doutoralexandremansurreal5002 5 жыл бұрын
Aikido could be functional as long as they do what you did... SPAR... Aikido, judo and Bjj have the same root the japanese jiu-jitsu... The problem is aikido does not have a realistic approach...
@jaytomioka3137
@jaytomioka3137 5 жыл бұрын
Aikido, BJJ and Judo are all modern grand-children of koryu jujitsu and have been filtered through a modern perspective to fit very different niche purposes. Jigoro Kono adapted jujitsu as a form of physical education for Children and adults. Mr. Gracie developed BJJ for fighting sports competition and Ueshiba Sensei developed Aikido as a spiritual thesis to support his philosophy. Certainly some one who knows how to fight can apply the technique of Aikido to a fight but the entire philosophy of Aikido is how to live without fighting. I think a lot of people forget this.
@Krissada1000
@Krissada1000 5 жыл бұрын
I sparred with Aikido practitioner, now he asked me to teach him BJJ.
@simonedwards7543
@simonedwards7543 4 жыл бұрын
Lol tomiki aikido does "spar"
@Baritoneewart
@Baritoneewart 4 жыл бұрын
I imagine your videos keep popping up in my feed because I keep commenting. But in line with something you've stated in this video, it seems your martial arts journey is really focused on something you are unhappy about rather than celebrating what you are happy about. A house built on criticism will fall, destroying something else doesn't build a strong foundation. I don't agree at all with your claim Aikido isn't effective as a martial art, or that your dismissiveness of Aikido, in general, is warranted. It all comes down to why you study it. For you, it's clear you want to fight. Great for you. I've been punched. I've punched others. It hurts. It's really overrated to me. But I am not going to be largely disrespectful to a whole system of training because I don't want to punch someone or be punched by them. I'd rather avoid that whole situation altogether. Aikido has helped me stop fights from happening more than anything else in my life. In that, it's the most effective martial art there is. Not fighting at all, changing the fight to something peaceful without physical interaction, that's the best Aikido there is. But if I was really about fighting, if I wanted to destroy someone in a street fight, I'd carry a baseball bat. I don't need to spend hours in the gym to learn how to hit someone effectively with a bat. I'd be just as dangerous as most martial artists. If that didn't work, I'd carry a gun. Too extreme? Well, so is getting punched in the face over and again in the gym training in MMA in my opinion. Maybe instead of insisting Aikido changes the message it sends to the world about Aikido, you should change your expectations of Aikido and spend more time building what you think is great about what you do? I think you'd be happier.
@nayte91350
@nayte91350 4 жыл бұрын
Nice one. "Effectiveness" is too central in his opinion, but aikido - and life - isn't only about how to effectively punch a face.
@FR3NS1S
@FR3NS1S 5 жыл бұрын
Quick answer: No. All aikidoka who know Shirakawa-sensei say that those videos are purely promotional and in his seminars he teaches in very different ways
@ninjamaster7724
@ninjamaster7724 5 жыл бұрын
Still won't work though.
@sullyb23511
@sullyb23511 5 жыл бұрын
@@ninjamaster7724 Flying arm bars and rolling kneebars can work...but it's rare.
@christoperducker6478
@christoperducker6478 5 жыл бұрын
Rokas, do you think part of the problem with modern Aikido is that it's sold as a stand alone art? I ask this because many years ago I studied Aikido in conjunction with other martial arts, but my understanding was that Aikido was intended to be taught as an advanced martial art for those who already had a solid base in striking and the "hard" styles of karate. I did find it helpful in terms of footwork, but I also think the entire martial arts community, including the Aikido community, was a completely different world 25 or so years ago. Most of my Aikido instructors were at least third degree black belts in other Japanese styles of karate and emphasized the need for striking in order to setup techniques and soften targets.....I'm a BJJ guy today, btw....
@i-evi-l
@i-evi-l 5 жыл бұрын
The story goes that O Sensei required his personal students to be masters in anther art before he taught them.
@shogoracing4294
@shogoracing4294 5 жыл бұрын
Christoper Ducker I grew up hearing the same in that Aikido was taught as an advanced martial art with the prerequisite having been proficiency in a “hard style” of Bujutsu/ Karate. I’m curious... what led you to study BJJ? How relevant would you say it is for self defense? Also, have you studied a striking art to compliment it such as boxing or Muay Thai? Just curious...
@i-evi-l
@i-evi-l 5 жыл бұрын
Bjj is good stuff. It'll compliment wrestling. Striking just depends on if you want a kicking at art, either way take boxing at least.
@christoperducker6478
@christoperducker6478 5 жыл бұрын
@@shogoracing4294 many years ago I earned a black belt in USA GoJu karate, which emphasized full contact sparring. I also trained in American kickboxing and boxing....did a few years of kung fu as well and got as far as a blue sash with that before losing interest....I periodically do Thai boxing and kickboxing at our Academy, but I don't do it much anymore. Here's the thing about self defense that I've learned in my 46 years on this Earth (I by no means claim to be an expert): I think BJJ and arts like it do better prepare people for real life altercation scenarios, but none of it is ever foolproof. Any discipline that emphasizes live sparring is going to fair better than another that doesn't. I practice BJJ primarily for my own intrinsic purposes and really couldn't explain to any reasonable or sane person why I, as a 46 year old professional and family man, feel compelled to subject myself to routine injuries and abuse. If you're doing any of this for self preservation purposes it's really counter productive because by the time you get to be my age your body is wrecked and no one on the street is going to do more damage to you than you've already done to yourself via years of cumulative abuse. So yes, I do believe BJJ gives its practitioners an edge in self defense related scenarios, but honestly, if that's your only goals, just take some Gracie courses; get proficient at the basics of striking and grappling, and get a conceal carry. You don't have to be a professional MMA fighter or black belt at BJJ, which I'm neither. You really just need to apply a little commonsense to your daily life (stay environmentally aware, don't put yourself in bad situations, and try to avoid conflict at all costs if possible). Those basic things right there will eliminate 99% of any potential issues regarding physical altercations. There's no magic bullet in martial arts, and everyone has different reasons for why they train. For me, it's good mental focus. It helps refocus my mind after a long day at work. It keeps me in shape too. It gives me realistic confidence as to what I know I can and can't do if I have to employ my skills because it's a no bullshit approach. Stay honest and train, or don't! Just stay honest.......Oss!
@MonkeyFist
@MonkeyFist 5 жыл бұрын
Capoeira is a martial art hidden in dance... If you want to fight you have to just stop the dance and use only the fighting part : p (in capoeira you have ALL kicks what exists, you have normal boxing and throws and even ground fight) but our days capoeira is more like fitness, but even if you never fought for real you know really powerful kicks and you will have good stamina if you decide to runaway : )
@caracaes
@caracaes 5 жыл бұрын
Capoeira actually teaches good dodging and positional awarenes, which can be useful in self defense if you wish to just avoid damage and walk away from the fight.
@full1049
@full1049 4 жыл бұрын
@americanwillow The common tale in Brazil is that Capoeira emerged among brazilian slaves to practice martial techniques without alerting their slave owners of such a potentially dangerous threat, disguising those techniques as an african dance. Most brazilians won't know if that is true or just a tale, but it is how the martial art's origin is seen in its mother country.
@AikidoScholar
@AikidoScholar 5 жыл бұрын
Hello! I think I should explain some points that you seem to have lost at some point of your training: - *First* , and I think the most important; Morihei Ueshiba, FOUNDER of aikido, NEVER intended to establish a series of fixed techniques in aikido . The techniques didn't even have names in Ueshiba's times, all was added by the next generations in order to codify the kyu/dan system! (Source: Serveral biographies of O Sensei's uchi deshi). Morihei Ueshiba always talked about ki, the universe, the cosmic forces and a lot of spiritual terms for most of us quite enigmatic yet, or even fake and fanciful. But all that mysticism was indeed based on actual technical principles. Those technical principles were the ones that Morihei Ueshiba wanted to teach, and he did not care about the techniques. Most of times he taught a technique, and when the students asked him to repeat it, he performed another technique. Why? Because he wanted to explain the principle behind all those techniques, not the technique per se. (Example: The principle of centripetal/centrifugal forces, present in irimi nage.) If you have a look at daito-ryu aiki-jujutsu, one of the direct ancestors of aikido, you will see that the first group of techniques are called "ikkajo", or first principle. O Sensei, as instructor of daito-ryu himself, compressed every concept in ikkajo, transforming it into "ikkyo", which nowadays is commonly taught in the form of "ude osae" (arm pin), but IS NOT the only technique under that specific principle! - *Second* ; the budo principle of kata. A kata is a pre-established form in which the practitioner repeats a series of movements until his body assimilates it. It is present in many martial arts and combat sports, but I will focus on budo. All martial arts based on budo work with the concept of kata/awase/etc... why? Because pedagogically is the best way to get the principles, but only if you know that what you are training are principles and not specific techniques which will work that way against someone in the streets! (Here is when someone steps into an MMA cage or ring and tries to grab a punch as in the dojo while he is TRAINING). I will give an easy example. Lyoto Machida, MMA legend. His background is shotokan karate, one of the main pilars of modern budo. To achieve that level of technique in karate, you must practice kata again and again... then you see a karateka in a kumite or in a fight and OF COURSE he would not do a neko dachi, or an oi tsuki the same way as in a kata, but what would he use? The principle behind, principles taught through kata and, OF COURSE, sparring. - What takes me to the *Third* point, which has to do with Shirakawa shihan; modern aikido is taking different paths, indeed! And I am one of the defenders that aikido MUST be expossed to live resistence scenarios (I do it during my classes). If you have a look at any of Morihei Ueshiba's demonstrations and you see (as we are talking about him in this video) Shirakawa's, you see the differences inside the same art. However, I don't think Shirakawa shihan is doing something bad. It is HIS interpretation of aikido, can be or can't be useful in a fight, but he never claimed to be a fighter... as far as I know. What annoys me a bit on this topic is the fact that you have done "breakdowns" on demonstrations of aikido, I have never seen you doing a breakdown of a live resistence session by Bruno Orozco or Lenny Sly, or even Dan The Wolfman. And there is something that I would like to make clear to everyone; aikido HAS atemi waza (strikes), and used to have it during Ueshiba's times too. It also has kuzushi, tsukuri and kake stages, as any other form of jujutsu (included judo and the brazilian form of judo; brazilian jiujitsu). So... if aikido, judo, "european" jujitsu, brazilian jiujitsu and traditional jujutsu have the same root... how can it be possible for some to be useful "in the street" and others completely useless? Live resistence, whose lack is not aikido's fault, but modern instructors' fault. Take care and train.
@AikidoScholar
@AikidoScholar 5 жыл бұрын
@americanwillow Yes, indeed! He spent some time in Manchuria, at least 3 times. One as soldier, a second one as bodyguard of his own spiritual master (Onisaburo Deguchi) and a third as combat instructor of the Japanese army, settled in Manchukuo (a "puppet state" of Japan), in Manchuria. And you are right, some experts say that most of the internal work (ki/chi) of aikido, was developed after his visits to China, where he certainly practiced bagua zhang, which certainly softened his style making it more fluid (this is just my opinion, however!) If you want more information about this topic, you can google "The Elusive Chinese Influence on Aikido" by the deceased Stanley Pranin, great communicator and historian in matter of aikido. Greetings and thanks for the reply!🙇🏻‍♂️
@AikidoScholar
@AikidoScholar 5 жыл бұрын
@americanwillow I will have a look at it! It might help me in my investigation. Thanks a lot! 🙇🏻‍♂️
@jeorico3028
@jeorico3028 4 жыл бұрын
Well said sir... I respect all the martial arts and it's all effective it depends on how you apply the principle of martial arts... I am also a martial arts practitioner, but I know I'm not as good as all of the martial artists.. I started in karate we still practicing kata in every practice and I also practiced in aikido for 6 months and sikaran and kali both are the filipino martial arts. all of my instructors taught us about the principles... you can use the principle to defend yourself and for others, never forget the principles...
@7214gn
@7214gn 5 жыл бұрын
It seems to me you have not yet resolved your relationship with Aikido. It has not worked for you, and you are still sour about it. Your path is no longer with Aikido, so let it be, and, in time, it will evolve, or not, but it should no longer be your concern.
@CzarZamorak
@CzarZamorak 5 жыл бұрын
Still, he is sparking discussion. It leads to either action (someone taking his criticism) or stagnation as it was before
@mnikhk
@mnikhk 4 жыл бұрын
Ya but unless people like him criticize it why would people even think about it
@liang3102
@liang3102 4 жыл бұрын
A bad workman blames his tools
@Krissada1000
@Krissada1000 4 жыл бұрын
@@liang3102 Bad tools do exist. Good workman can tell the tools are bad.
@peterkhew7414
@peterkhew7414 4 жыл бұрын
Yah, he doesn't talk much about his current MMA training. So weird.
@hinhbat9985
@hinhbat9985 5 жыл бұрын
It s better for you to give Ryuji Sensei a challenge to see if Aikido can self-defend in a real fight. That can be a good answer for your question.
@airon3348
@airon3348 3 жыл бұрын
I doubt it. This Ryuji Sensei is a choreographer, nothing more. You can say that he is flashy, you can say that he is fast and capable of making many showy movements, but that has nothing to do with a real fight. A medium-trained practitioner in Muay Thai can destroy this Sensei by only using low kicks, which are the terror of any Aikido guy.
@steveperks7054
@steveperks7054 5 жыл бұрын
This is beautiful, Hollywood choreography. Aikido has a great future in the cinema, but not in the streets. Or the ring.
@steveperks7054
@steveperks7054 4 жыл бұрын
@@mcmc1863 I would love to see a video of it working in an actual street fight. Not a demonstration, a real fight. I've never seen one of it working in an actual fight against a resisting opponent. I'm sure a lot of us would like to see that. If you have such a link, please share.
@steveperks7054
@steveperks7054 4 жыл бұрын
@@mcmc1863 But in a fight, resistance never stops. When do you get to a point that you can actually defend yourself?
@steveperks7054
@steveperks7054 4 жыл бұрын
@@mcmc1863 No. Never. Judo, wrestling, karate, some boxing, and fencing. No aikido.
@steveperks7054
@steveperks7054 4 жыл бұрын
@@mcmc1863 Thanks for the insight, friend. Happy training!!
@smartgenes1
@smartgenes1 4 жыл бұрын
@@steveperks7054 I've used it four times in real life effectively.
@Mharriscreations
@Mharriscreations 5 жыл бұрын
I'm a firm believer that most of the time, it doesn't matter what style you train, rather, how you train it. Wing Chun is often tought poorly, but I've sparred with a student who had training in hard sparring and understood the dynamics of the art, and he did surprisingly well. Also same with Tai Chi, it's taught to be moving meditation, but it's actually extremely similar to Judo and Shuaijiao in its sparring form and both of those (Judo and Shuaijiao) have MMA champions with that as their base style. I do think there can be a place for Aikido in actual self defense as it utilizes similar moves to Hapkido which has been proven, but it needs a total overhall and needs resistance training and sparring to ever be effective.
@wesleylammay4295
@wesleylammay4295 5 жыл бұрын
I stopped doing Gracie jujitsu and kick boxing when the third person in my jujitsu class came in from being stomped by multiple opponents in the street I am not judging I think SPORT jujitsu is a great activity I concentrated on fma after that and never looked back you want combatives look to layered self defense study weapons including firearms from someone who has been there
@jaymiddleton1782
@jaymiddleton1782 4 жыл бұрын
Wesley Lammay tell us more stories that didn’t happen you delusional moron
@simonedwards7543
@simonedwards7543 4 жыл бұрын
What's the matter Jay truth hurt!
@9o1ybius
@9o1ybius 3 жыл бұрын
You're likely gonna get stomped by multiple opponents on the street no matter what you practice unless you're a giant...
@salahuddinmuhammad3251
@salahuddinmuhammad3251 5 жыл бұрын
proper aikijujutsu works against resistance.Aikido, not so much. I do know several officers that had judo experience that made aikido work. Our aikijujutsu was taught in boxing gyms and everyone was also a judoka. But not all aikidoka are usless. Look, if fighters study any art, they can functionalize it. The best aikidoka started as judoka.
@milkhit2714
@milkhit2714 5 жыл бұрын
Aikido is not necessarily effective but some Aikido techniques are. Same for boxing. Its not necessarily effective but some boxing techniques are. Wrestling is not necessarily effective but some wrestling techniques are. Dont think in martial arts but think in fighting principles and techniques
@driver3899
@driver3899 5 жыл бұрын
Someone trained in boxing or wrestling will defend themselves much better than a person with the same amount of time training in aikido, that's just a fact
@milkhit2714
@milkhit2714 5 жыл бұрын
@@driver3899 True, but thats not what I'm talking about. Boxing or wrestling isnt necessarily effective or ineffectieve. It depends on the situation. Are you attacked with a knife or maybe multiple opponents. Are you just someone walking on the street, a doorman, security guard etc. If you look at it this way its not constructive to think in different MA and compare them. Its more helpfull to think in principles and techniques.
@driver3899
@driver3899 5 жыл бұрын
@@milkhit2714 I get what you are saying, individual parts are more important than style but if you look at boxing, how many individual principles are useful about it? Probably a good 90% or so of it can be applied to a real fight. Same for wrestling. What percentage of the techniques and principles of aikido have been proven to be useful in a real fight? aikido guys say its high percentage but people with real world experience almost all disagree, also where is the proof? Plenty of evidence of full contact boxing and wrestling, plenty of street fight videos of boxing and wrestling performing under actual combat conditions, same for karate, judo, tkd ect.. no one can provide this for aikido though.
@driver3899
@driver3899 5 жыл бұрын
​@@yuriysemenikhin302 Really? what will someone be able to do after a year of aikido exactly, please tell me what they will learn that can be applied successfully if being violently assaulted
@driver3899
@driver3899 5 жыл бұрын
@@yuriysemenikhin302 Perhaps I did misread it but here is the thing, police controls only work when the suspect is not aggressively attacking you, wresting and boxing can both be done against someone violently attacking you. Also I have to disagree with boxing footwork being similar to aikido. I train in boxing and its short quick steps are very different to the long slow steps of aikido. Boxing is often called "a game of inches" because the movements are very slight. Check out a channel here on youtube called Precision Boxing to see it in action. Westling and bjj can both offer exceptional control over people and in fact Gracie jujitsu offers police specific training for taking people down in a controled way, cuffing them, practicing successful weapon retention, disarming people ect check out Gracie Breakdown for videos of police doing this in real life situations. For wrestling there are just so many ways to restrain someone and take them down without dropping heads on pavement. its very different to WWF. But aikido on the other hand I have never seen anyone use it to take down a hostile attacker with it in a real situation, let alone do it gently. I would be happy to change my opinion if people could start showing it done though.
@crowndkng1
@crowndkng1 5 жыл бұрын
FIGHTING HAS NO FORM..
@i-evi-l
@i-evi-l 5 жыл бұрын
Only in the sense that martial art teach concepts of human body physics. Boxing definitely has form as do ground games.
@tyleroldham4676
@tyleroldham4676 5 жыл бұрын
The form of the human body. Your skeletal structure, your veins and arteries, the position of your joints, weak spots of your anatomy. That is the form of fighting. You cannot change the structure of these things but you can learn to take advantage of them. That is the true form of fighting. There are definitely techniques to more efficiently take advantage of these things or to do so in an unpredictable way.
@wesleylammay4295
@wesleylammay4295 5 жыл бұрын
It is kind of like doing Gracie jujitsu and telling yourself and everyone else that all fights go to the ground on padded floors or with referees
@driver3899
@driver3899 5 жыл бұрын
Difference being there are plenty of videos of people using Gracie bjj to subdue someone in a real situation, the same cannot be said for aikido
@slaffkas
@slaffkas 3 жыл бұрын
Plus you can always pull a guard or do a takedown to bring the fight to the ground.
@David-su4is
@David-su4is 5 жыл бұрын
I've always thought of Akido as Tai Chi for grapplers. And I don't think theres anything wrong with that.
@nayte91350
@nayte91350 4 жыл бұрын
Agree with that, it's a taichi for 2 persons, that is what I think when I practice and that's fine. Roka is good in this video to tell there is no shame in having fun with martial art, just there is a shame pretending you will defend yourself with, because when the conflict will come, it will be worse than knowing anything about defense.
@TheDeshi100
@TheDeshi100 5 жыл бұрын
To be frank this is the reason aikido why is being laughed at and criticized. People who don’t know what real Aikido is are demonstrating .bad techniques and they call it aikido. This is not the Aikido of O’Sensei. No aikido does not claim its self defense, people who don’t know claims that . Real aikido has attacks and no it doesn’t wait for attack. Your statement about aikido only reflects the aikido of hombu dojo of aikikai .
@RicardoSantos1784
@RicardoSantos1784 5 жыл бұрын
atemi is 90% of Aikido - people are giving reason to a guy who didn't a single atemi in sparring.
@stephenstanley79
@stephenstanley79 5 жыл бұрын
I do think aikido can be used as self defense but i think it depends on the teacher, and their experience in other arts or life. Just looking at this video is not enough to judge. some things are used such as forms or partner drills and they are used to build attributes. Combat looks a lot diffrent then what we practice in the dojo or an mma gym. Even the small gloves in mma change the rules and rules themselves change the concept of what self defense is.
@stephenstanley79
@stephenstanley79 5 жыл бұрын
@@mcmc1863 about 5 years of aikido. Almost 30 in other arts.
@stephenstanley79
@stephenstanley79 5 жыл бұрын
@@mcmc1863 I have been in a few fights and did a few restraints until the cops came. A lot of the arts i studied we would spar or some type of resistant training. I did some security work but my biggest weapon was my mind and mouth knowing what to say and how to talk to someone can save your life when they are thinking about shooting you. Not being in bad places and keeping alert saves one a lot of trouble.
@stephenstanley79
@stephenstanley79 5 жыл бұрын
@@mcmc1863 Still training shorinji kempo, kali and bjj.
@stephenstanley79
@stephenstanley79 5 жыл бұрын
@@mcmc1863 Im not a big fan of going to the ground but it has its place. Most of the controlling that i use in kempo and kali we pin them down and we are always able to disingage at anytime to deal with other threats. But if your taken down and from the start your in a bad position there on top of you bjj gives you the ability to fight off your back and you know how to escape. Bjj also comes in handy if it is safe to do so to take them down and pin them or choke them out because your not trying to do damage them, maybe you know them or their drunk. Not having a ground game in my opinion is dangerous but having a anti grappling will take you far knowing how to stuff thier takedowns. Grappling is fun its good cardio and it has its benifits. I dont stick with just bjj, although my main classes are 10th planet bjj. I also study catch wrestling, judo, greco wrestling free style wrestling and silat. I dont take classes in all of those but my kali teacher will let me take a video from one of these styles and try and use it which is awesome. I like the take downs from kali silat and judo for self defense, the ones that you dont have to go down to one knee which is dangerous when your not on the mat.
@RicRags
@RicRags 5 жыл бұрын
Ever see the Gracies deal with spontaneous knife attacks in the dojo? The movements are in Aikido and they work. So at least 4 moves must work in Aikido. I've never done it though because I thought it didn't work hehehehe. Just playing the devil's advocate.
@CalebSpears1
@CalebSpears1 3 жыл бұрын
Ever seen someone try them under pressure testing? I train under a guy who was trained by kron and Rickson Gracie and he himself said the knife techniques taught in Gracie Jiu jitsu are ineffective and dangerous to the user for the same reason aikido techniques are. The best knife technique is get away from the knife, the second best technique is to gain control of the wrist while keeping the blade away and doing your best to prevent them from switching the blade into the other hand
@SinistralEpoch
@SinistralEpoch 3 жыл бұрын
@@CalebSpears1 This, it doesn’t matter how highly respected someone is. They can still spew bullshit despite being great at this other thing. Knife defense is incredibly complicated and most times it’s better to just get away from the weapon. There are electric knife drills that are all over KZbin, and even trained killers are still getting hit by the knife.
@bladesinthewind
@bladesinthewind 3 жыл бұрын
I used to be on board with the idea of trying to make Aikido functional. But now I realize that a functional version of it already exists. Korean Hapkido is the functional version of Japanese Aikido. Both of their founders trained together from the same master, but in Hapkido they added Judo, Taekwondo, and other striking forms into their art. They also practice real sparring, pressure testing and some schools have competitions similar to Judo and Taekwondo.
@yulie1022
@yulie1022 5 жыл бұрын
Great video! To add to Rokas' point, I would HIGHLY suggest listening to Ep 38 of the Podcast Aikido: Discussed, where the hosts talk about the "Spectrum of Conflict" and where aikido and other martial arts fit on that spectrum.
@Rorschach771
@Rorschach771 5 жыл бұрын
I have been watching some of your videos. And for a former Aikido guy who criticizes his former martial arts teaching you should then do something to make it work. I heard that you were going to do that but I don't see you making new stuff to make Aikido more effective. Or are you just making videos just to bash it.
@MartialArtsJourney
@MartialArtsJourney 5 жыл бұрын
You missed the videos where I did and came to a conclusion that it makes more sense to just train self defense and combat sports
@Rorschach771
@Rorschach771 5 жыл бұрын
@@MartialArtsJourney ok thanks. I'm gonna check on that. I'm a family man and I'm so busy. So I just go on what KZbin is giving me. Bu I am inspired by your story and have been thinking quite lately of enrolling in a martial arts class with my son. I would like to know or have your advise on that for a practitioner like yourself.
@andrewrodriguez7310
@andrewrodriguez7310 5 жыл бұрын
@@Rorschach771 To be more accurate he tried to make it work for 1 year in comparison to 13+ years in Aikido. So you didn't miss anything, don't let him fool you. That 1 year taught it is not easy and he wasn't ready for the steep challenge, so he quit. Therefore now, he is learning how to fight in addition to making a living bashing Aikido. If great teachers of any art or discipline only gave a years worth of honest dedication we would have very few systems to choose from, nor would the teachers actually be great.
@jaytomioka3137
@jaytomioka3137 5 жыл бұрын
Aikido roughly translates into a path of spiritual harmony... and was never intended to be a “stand-alone” system of fighting or self defense... it uses martial movement to develop spiritual “muscles”. It is like how Chado or tea ceremony uses tea to teach a zen aesthetic and philosophy. Ikebana (flower arrangement) uses the presentation of flowers as a metaphor for the appreciation of the temporary beauty of life. Going to an Aikido Sensei for fighting lessons is akin to asking a Tea Ceremony master to help you become a better barista at Starbucks!
@tabletoparcade4203
@tabletoparcade4203 5 жыл бұрын
So, Aikido could be for people just want to do cool looking choreography? Hmm... His proposal makes a lot of sense. If you removed the pretentiousness, and just focused on doing that, I could imagine a lot of people going for it. Hell, I've boxed for years and just started BJJ, but if someone suggested that there's a class that'll have me doing cinematic kicks and flying arm bars, just for the fun of looking awesome, I'd be well up for it.
@hangonsnoop
@hangonsnoop 5 жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure that my yoga instructor will show me how to do yoga fire soon.
@i-evi-l
@i-evi-l 5 жыл бұрын
I'm getting closer to the sonic boom
@captare
@captare 5 жыл бұрын
Congratulations on your journey. You should talk to GN from funkertactical if you are not already talking. Recently, after talking to some former military personnel who are Aikido practitioners he started thinking about Aikido again. To think that Aikido can be used as self defense on some level. I stopped at the green belt. In my city here in Brazil it's hard to find a good sensei with a down to earth mind.
@scottzappa9314
@scottzappa9314 Жыл бұрын
I'm 63 and starting up Aikido again after about a 30-year hiatus. I don't really care if it's a very effective self defense method. Goes back a few years but I also have a background in other martial arts. Some are probably effective, others not so much. But all this is information I did not have back in the day. I think we all need some sort of spiritual practice, to "ground" oneself, and be one with it. Be one with yourself. Or even a simple hobby. I've had 2 jobs in downtown Cleveland been in various bad neighborhoods and never had to defend myself, so I guess in one sense I'm lucky. Now I live in a pretty safe area, so fighting is not paramount for me. I guess that's why Bruce Lee came up with JKD, it's what you're going through now. Nothing can remain static and still be expected to be relevant.
@Polentaccio
@Polentaccio 5 жыл бұрын
I don't know, this "new" aikido is a hell of a lot more dynamic at least and there were some cool concepts in there. Unfortunately yes, they would have to drill them against spontaneous pressure attacks to see if any of it could hold up.
@justech
@justech 3 жыл бұрын
This isn't new aikido, this is aikido demonstrated at near full speed by experts that train this way regularly.
@SinistralEpoch
@SinistralEpoch 3 жыл бұрын
@@justech those are pro wrestling moves, my dude
@tomgurke
@tomgurke 5 жыл бұрын
It is funny, man, you now sound like every other MMA dude on KZbin educating people what works in a real fight and what doesn't. How many knife fights did you have in order to know so well? I am practicing various martial arts since more than 20 years now and I can tell you, some (!) of the knife defenses the Aikodoka is showing look quite alright to me. And btw. anyone who thinks he or she can learn martial arts by watching KZbin videos is a moron anyways, especially when it comes to knife fights. So, what would be your advice if an angry ex-boyfriend decides to thrust his knife in my direction in the corner of a bar? Please make a video about it, I really would like to know!
@Brad-Kow-Dizease
@Brad-Kow-Dizease 5 жыл бұрын
MMA has knife defence?
@i-evi-l
@i-evi-l 5 жыл бұрын
I'll just say I know that Aikido is effective, is just not taught or applied that well in mainstream sense. The same thing applies to Wing Chun. They get taught as counterattack styles and being a counter attacker is very hard to do properly.
@i-evi-l
@i-evi-l 5 жыл бұрын
@@elenchus search Wing Chun tournament. Its not mma by any stretch but they do exist and have for a long time. For Aikido its been taught to police for decades. You don't have to flip people for it to be aikido. Finger locks are a pain.
@i-evi-l
@i-evi-l 5 жыл бұрын
@@elenchus haha. I have the same attitude on WC for enjoying it. The number 1 rule is it don't have to look like the rigid WC to be WC. I dislike the example, but look no further than the Ip Man movies to notice that as far as footwork is concerned. The main takeaway is the centerline, aka center of mass. Literally its best to look at the likes of Ip Chun doing Chi Sao; that's where I seen it demonstrated best because you see young guys literally having hell moving a tiny 90 year old man. They are putting pressure on him in many instances. Anyways I can only speak from experience of putting some of the WC ideas to test, definitely not all. I'll say treating Chi Sao as two different games within the same game goes far. The first type is just focusing on a grapple aspect with no punching, the goal being to maneuver into a throw or lock position as both are part of WC. The other game is the classic strike maneuvering we always see. So how does that work against a boxer, the bane of WC? Learn boxing so to work it out yourself lmao. But seriously, you can use Wing Chun concepts without looking like Wing Chun. That's the only way I appreciated what WC had to offer.
@mnikhk
@mnikhk 4 жыл бұрын
@@i-evi-l bro exactly what I do use the philosophy and concepts like simultaneous offence defense, centerline principle,generating power in small range and some techniques not necessarily entire style is successful
@mnikhk
@mnikhk 4 жыл бұрын
@@elenchus I have not observed concepts of Muay Thai but I have used some Muay Thai and boxing techniques with wing chun in accordance with wing chun principles in sparring with people who were from different backgrounds. I think a good way to explain my point would be that -the elevator shaft was invented before the invention of elevator itself, someone in New York figured out since buildings are getting taller someone else will eventually invent the elevator so they actually left out space in their building for elevator shaft.The same goes for many software programs which were written centuries before, assuming someone would invent a machine that could perform the task.I know it sounds strange but sometimes theoretical concepts might have different applications than intended.
@kevinsettels4450
@kevinsettels4450 5 жыл бұрын
Just looks like a more spectacular version of the same. If you don't have to deal with punches or kicks you train silly things. Just look at grappling competitions where you are not allowed to slam. People throw jumping guards all the time. Also the buttshuffle is another popular thing I see people do. Where one person is standing and the other does a buttshuffle towards him/her. But those people train for competiton and would probably not try any of that in a self defence situation.
@egontokessy1610
@egontokessy1610 Жыл бұрын
I can't watch this video enough. I love that Aikido channel but I'm very aware of it's problems so I just appreciate the videos for what they are.
@Roodneyfb
@Roodneyfb 5 жыл бұрын
Man... capoeira has been used in MMA for a while now and it does work. There are some vicious spinning and rising kicks that do a LOT of damage, but as with any other martial art (Karate, Muay Thai, Tae Kwon do etc.) not everything is usable, nor 100% effective, but relegate Capoeira as a "purely artistical" martial art... man, sorry, but you're wrong there...
@Kinos141
@Kinos141 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@unionmichael
@unionmichael 5 жыл бұрын
Dude, get over it. You don’t like aikido. It doesn’t work. Got it. Please for the love of god move on. Maybe never make another aikido video again? Please? You really need to move on. You broke up. It’s over. Do videos on what you are training now. Get over the art you gave up years ago now. Do videos on mma.
@phillipconner1213
@phillipconner1213 5 жыл бұрын
All martial arts is effective it takes years to master aikido so what is your point you talking but not showing anything about how it is not effective
@scarred10
@scarred10 5 жыл бұрын
No,there are many martial arts that are not effective. If you have to master an art for it to work, it's not an effective self defense.
@mnikhk
@mnikhk 4 жыл бұрын
Bro he was a black belt in aikido and practiced for 10-12 years he was a sensie, he managed a dojo he lived and breathed Aikido , he's not some random kid who got into a fight or just gave up after one month of practice and declared it to be a failed art form
@lucasfortes7705
@lucasfortes7705 5 жыл бұрын
The amount of people butthurt by this video is unbelievable. Aikido doesn't work, just deal with it.
@jerryrodriguez7377
@jerryrodriguez7377 3 жыл бұрын
Steven Seagal teshin aikido is original & authentic in above the law hard to kill check out lenny sly speak & practice Steven Seagal teshin aikido aikido is a beautiful elegant art lets bring the basics the natural Seagal is excellent in his prime he was the first one to bring aikido to America
@Dwinna1
@Dwinna1 5 жыл бұрын
My friend you have no idea why capoeira exist. It is not because its looks flashy or cool or because we want to have that excited feeling like you are a ninja
@darylfields
@darylfields 4 жыл бұрын
Combine aikido with Japanese jujitsu or judo but you don't have to give up your martial art rokus
@thalesanastacio760
@thalesanastacio760 5 жыл бұрын
Capoeira has been tested in the cage, and it Works, i dont think thats fair put the style together with aikido or taijiquan...
@scarred10
@scarred10 5 жыл бұрын
It has very rarely worked in a cage.the very odd flashy kick might land ,that's it.
@WxkR
@WxkR 4 жыл бұрын
Rokas: “Practicing Aikido doesn’t train you for an actual fight.” Aikidokas: “Actual fights don’t train you for Aikido.” Ask yourself why the claim about fighting effectiveness sticks to martial arts while all martial arts masters (and the practice itself) tell you not to fight.
@jeffreygordon6010
@jeffreygordon6010 5 жыл бұрын
You might want to go to the New York Aikikai and train with their original students. The Sensei Alzerez generation. Try explaining to them how inefficient their fighting skills are. No choreograph there. As you have heard but I guess never seen. "Victory is determined at the moment of contact"
@-_-DatDude
@-_-DatDude 5 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't say Wing Chun is getting the same level of scrutiny for its legitimacy like Aikido does. It's no were near as practical as Thai Boxing or Wrestling but unlike Aikido there are some legitimate techniques in Wing Chun like the oblique kick, yes the same kick people want banned came from Wing Chun.
@mnikhk
@mnikhk 4 жыл бұрын
Even if wing chun practitioners spar amongst each other you can see techniques done at 80-100% speed
@Jason-nn3hc
@Jason-nn3hc 5 жыл бұрын
I've always understood Aikido to be more part of a spiritual (martial) 'art'. Something that you would practise if you are spiritual person or an older man or lady who had long since learnt how to fight but were now simply looking for something a bit more gentle.
@eastafrika728
@eastafrika728 5 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed, you see what was lacking in previous Aikido is the intensity of reality and reality of movement, the young Sensei seems to have grasped it. However, it must stand the test against the most effective art, which is boxing. I have amalgamated aikido and jujitsu into my boxing training sessions and it works very well.
@craigcarroll1790
@craigcarroll1790 4 жыл бұрын
What they do in the videos doesn't in any way resemble ninjutsu
@rokkvi1
@rokkvi1 5 жыл бұрын
Maybe the future of Aikido is for people who want to act in action movies :D
@AndresMartinez-ep5tt
@AndresMartinez-ep5tt 5 жыл бұрын
Rökkvi Vésteinsson Like Steven Sigal?
@shinwook5145
@shinwook5145 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah, high kicks and jumps and jointlocks and soft throws can look amazing on camera.
@nayte91350
@nayte91350 4 жыл бұрын
@@AndresMartinez-ep5tt I felt like there was some aikido technics / falldown in the John Wick movies also !
@Kthomasritchie
@Kthomasritchie 2 жыл бұрын
@@nayte91350 There are lots of them.
@midgettosser100
@midgettosser100 5 жыл бұрын
This needed to be said. It is irresponsible to teach people, especially the young, naive and trusting that an ineffective martial art will effectively protect them in self defense, especially knives. As a result of the internet and channels like this, the truth is becoming more and more obvious.
@mariogarcia620
@mariogarcia620 Ай бұрын
Watch videos of hapkido.
@carloscolon1279
@carloscolon1279 5 жыл бұрын
Aikido does have a very functional final form...it’s called judo.
@0OMess
@0OMess 5 жыл бұрын
The question is, is Aikido aiming to became Hapkido? Hapkido is efective look for the Korean Zombie from UFC or Bellator. Hapkido knows that rist locks, projections and other similar techniks onky work if you know how to punch and kick first.
@isabelguzman5873
@isabelguzman5873 5 жыл бұрын
What amazes me is the confidence in which you speak about aikido, I guess you didn't reach the level where your hakama really held your ego really tight. Apart from that, not arguing about whether or not aikido is effective, it is amazing to realize that you were never shown the reason why you enter the martial arts world (you masculine energy crying for control) and the reason why you should stay in aikido (trying to connect to your feminine energy to try to balance yourself). Aikido, as many different asian disciplines, has as the ultimate goal to develop your SPIRITUAL INNER SELF, but senseis say that you have to reach 4th dan or higher to realize that. Maybe for me its OBVIOUS because I come from the yoga path where it is easier to reach the point where you realize that the physical forms are just an excuse to work deeper aspects of yourself. It is sad because you are spreading words about the most superficial part of aikido, making people believe that that's all what there is.
@TomTom-sm7il
@TomTom-sm7il 5 жыл бұрын
But his criticism is that aikido is advertised to be an effective combat system when it is not. He acknowledges that there are other reason for practicing aikido. He even said that aikido would not receive nearly as much criticism as it does if aikido practitioners would stop telling people it is good for fighting.
@phillipconner1213
@phillipconner1213 5 жыл бұрын
@@TomTom-sm7il he is lying
@TomTom-sm7il
@TomTom-sm7il 5 жыл бұрын
@@phillipconner1213 what's he lying about?
@phillipconner1213
@phillipconner1213 5 жыл бұрын
@@TomTom-sm7il on how ineffective it is he know's better
@TomTom-sm7il
@TomTom-sm7il 5 жыл бұрын
@@phillipconner1213 how can you be sure he is lying? I don't know anything about aikido, but I think he is being sincere. Maybe he is wrong, but I doubt he is just lying. What do you think is his motivation for lying?
@mycheung6757
@mycheung6757 5 жыл бұрын
I think he knows, and when I was watching his videos, I don't feel he was gonna teach any self-defense at all, I think he was just showing some graceful moves rather than teaching self-defense.
@viniciusgabriel423
@viniciusgabriel423 5 жыл бұрын
There are two martial arts that are exactly what aikido claims to be but they actually works... Judo and Brazillian Jiu Jitsu
@antwartalley3327
@antwartalley3327 5 жыл бұрын
A term that I hear alot is 'Stress Inoculation'. You can't be prepared to use something you've trained to use in an actual situation until you've _trained_ in a similar environment to real life, that is to say, against opponents who are resisting and being unpredictable, as a real self defense or fight situation would be.
@asteriskcolon
@asteriskcolon 5 жыл бұрын
In other news, Ryuji teaches the reverse seio nage (gi grip shiho nage) which is devastating in Korean judo. Definitely real world self defense practical if your attacker has more than a thin tee shirt on.
@tasogare6598
@tasogare6598 4 жыл бұрын
I completely agree. I came across a Nippon Kempo competion video here on youtube and saw bunch of Aikido like techniques done against resisting opponents. It was actually really eye opening in a sense because I don't think they deliberatly applied those. Meaning they waited for a punch to come for them to throw.( Not that none of what I saw was done against punches but in tie ups or clinch). that is the closest thing I have seen Aikido working.
@laser__unicorn
@laser__unicorn 5 жыл бұрын
I had a "self defence" class at a wushu class once, and tried to do it on my step dad (ex-military) at home....was a great way to test how these technics are bullshit and don't work in a non-cooperative subject.
@serenacula3256
@serenacula3256 5 жыл бұрын
When this happened to Taekwondo, it turned into Tricking, which is an amazing sport. I'd love to see something like that come out of Aikido. :)
@taekwondobro
@taekwondobro 5 жыл бұрын
Half of it turned into tricking and half of it turned into normal kickboxing
@GuitarsRockForever
@GuitarsRockForever 5 жыл бұрын
ITF tkd is the way to go. WTF tkd should be exactly what we normally think WTF is: what the f*ck is this crap.
@shinwook5145
@shinwook5145 5 жыл бұрын
Would be super cool. Aikido plus tricking sounds really cool.
@hryank33
@hryank33 5 жыл бұрын
GuitarsRockForever ITF is competition is non contact or light contact which is crap. But the training at most schools is decent.
@serenacula3256
@serenacula3256 5 жыл бұрын
@@hryank33 Ahah, I didn't really mean that as a slight against Taekwondo, y'all have plenty of skill..! :) I just meant that those who split off to focus on the aesthetic side of things ended up creating something really fuckin' cool. And I'd be interested in seeing something like that come out of Aikido. Two person, improvised tricking anyone? :3
@beliefiam2302
@beliefiam2302 5 жыл бұрын
Here you go with the tomfoolery, have you been to a BJJ competition match to say moving at "100%" there are no injuries? You couldn't have, hyper-extended arms from arm bars going "100%". It's cool you like BJJ but if you are gonna down Aikido Uke participating with the fall flow don't use BJJ going "100%" as an example. Also if BJJ did go "100%" as you say, there would be way more breaks. Going 100% results in breaks, submissions are not 100%.
@driver3899
@driver3899 5 жыл бұрын
lol what are you talking about, have you trained in bjj?
@MrLimbei123
@MrLimbei123 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah wtf he talking abt? Not making sense.
@beliefiam2302
@beliefiam2302 5 жыл бұрын
@@driver3899 Rolled at BJJ schools and been to a couple BJJ tournaments. I train Catch.
@pedroarbelo7955
@pedroarbelo7955 5 жыл бұрын
Nothing you learn in 6 years y practice for 20 and mi cup is halfway.
@garouuchiha4041
@garouuchiha4041 5 жыл бұрын
@ 1:40 - 1:44 now that is true indeed, cuz we all know for a FACT that we all grew up watching the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles!(AKA: TMNT)
@littlegiantrobo6523
@littlegiantrobo6523 5 жыл бұрын
One of those knife defense moves could work. The rest of it will probably get you killed. Unironically, I'm sure it's the simplest one.
@hellwroughtangel
@hellwroughtangel 5 жыл бұрын
Well akido is already very popular in cinema for the flashy throws.
@aitchybr
@aitchybr 5 жыл бұрын
Of course they are not fighting, FFS, this is Kata practice and from what I see , advanced Kata practice where the UKE can practice is rolling and falling techniques without getting hurt. (would you rather see people hurting themselves?)The mastery of training for fun without getting hurt. Whatever you repeatedly train will have some sort of benefit in any situation. I personally think that your review is shallow, superficial and really has the opinion of someone who just wants to see a winner rather than understanding tradition of dojo etiquette, respect and mind set, how sad. No fighter would stick to one style, I've seen Sankyu and Nikyu applied effectively to many BJJ people here. The fundamentals of Tai Chi are stronger than the untrained eye or the quick to judge could ever imagine, how could you even dare to criticise something that has been around for a thousand years and as for Capoeira, I've seen dozens of fights here in Brazil that were very unpleasant indeed. So with all due respect I also suggest that those of you who listen to this person in the video , please take note that he himself doesn't know what he's talking about. A mere shallow judgement of something that he doesn't understand.
@aitchybr
@aitchybr 5 жыл бұрын
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@aluisiofsjr
@aluisiofsjr 3 жыл бұрын
@@aitchybr , LMAO!!!
@maddinkn
@maddinkn 4 жыл бұрын
I have meet some Aikido practitioners and they always told me "strike whenever you can" so I don't know if they did some different kind of Aikido or if something got lost in the Aikido community over the last years or so? On top of that. I always thought that Aikido is designed to survive against Kendo in battle. Atleast that, that is the origin of Aikido. Anyways what do you think about Daito ryou Aiki jujutsu? Not sure if i wrote it right. Peace Ps: I'm not a native english speaker so feel free to correct me. Edit: I just realized something from reading the comments. How about we don't compare Aikido against other Sports or fighting arts like MMA. Basically no one around me knows how to throw a punch or kick effectively. Dont you think that atleast *some* Aikido techniques work against untrained unhealthy normal people? I personally didnt learn any martial art and I never had to fight. Always talked my way out ^^
@lauri6052
@lauri6052 5 жыл бұрын
But there's already Taido so the new aikido would be nothing new
@NeverAReflection
@NeverAReflection 5 жыл бұрын
But Taido is honest about what it is
@raidenstark315
@raidenstark315 5 жыл бұрын
Let me guess you're peter griffin's enemy As he hates gigant evil chickens
@lauri6052
@lauri6052 5 жыл бұрын
@@raidenstark315 we are planning a rematch soon last time he beat me but this time things are going different
@joatanpereira4272
@joatanpereira4272 5 жыл бұрын
Taido is just a copy of capoeira and karate
@lauri6052
@lauri6052 5 жыл бұрын
@@joatanpereira4272 well kinda but then tell me what martial art isn't a copy of something else
@msdungan
@msdungan 5 жыл бұрын
From observations of demonstrations such as the techniques performed and evaluated in the subject video, I see Aikido more and more a performance art, much like gymnastics, tricking, dancing or other similar activity that supplements other physical activity for the purpose of exploring human movement with a partner. Similarly, a large portion of the technical toolbox of Hapkido also falls into this category. A fellow Hapkidoin commented that such techniques - because there are approximately 3000 - were devised by the 1st and 2nd generations of senior students/ instructors to keep students committed and returning to train, as an alternative to joining gangs...
@peterkhew7414
@peterkhew7414 4 жыл бұрын
Both Hapkido and Aikido came from Daito Ryu.
@odudog
@odudog 5 жыл бұрын
It's amazing that you had a school and still didn't understand the art. Standing in the middle of a bunch of guys when you could have ran away and then want to blame the art for your failure. Classic. SMH!! Glad you left aikido and found something.
@driver3899
@driver3899 5 жыл бұрын
what do you mean by "understand the art"?
@odudog
@odudog 5 жыл бұрын
If he understood the art, he would know why we move in certain ways, why we train the way we do, the principals involved, the history, etc... I've watched many if his videos and the common theme is to blame the art for his failure or short comings. He is just another dude that has drunk the Kool aid with regards of BJJ being the ultimate. Good riddens.
@driver3899
@driver3899 5 жыл бұрын
@@odudog So are you saying that someone who understands the art can make it combat effective? Because that's the reason he stopped doing it
@odudog
@odudog 5 жыл бұрын
Yes, but that depends on your belief. I believe it is combat effective. History along with old sensei's that I have seen, heard, and come across influenced me to that belief along with the Tokyo riot police. The art has already been tweaked to modernize per Yoseikan and Nishio forms of aikido. You must have belief in any art you choose to study or technique your learning in order to make it work. He lacked belief, hence his failure. He believes in BJJ though.
@driver3899
@driver3899 5 жыл бұрын
@@odudog "that depends on your belief" well not really, its pretty simple to test it and then you will actually have a fact. If you honestly think that the real reason he failed to use any of the techniques in sparring was because he "lacked belief" then it should be simple for you to repeat the same experiment, spar someone from another style, and since you have the belief then you will show aikido working fine right? But let me guess, you are not willing to actually do that are you? That's what is so annoying about aikido guys like you blindly saying its combat effective when they have never even tried it out for themselves. So how bout it, willing to put your words into action? This guy actually did have the courage to try it out and when it was not working he was man enough to admit it and examine why. Also whats with all the hate you guys have for bjj? You can literally google street situations where bjj was proved effective and see them for yourself. It is only part of the training needed for self defense but it is a significant part, basically anyone who has real world experience or trains people to deal with violent encounters will attest to that. Do you feel threatened by it or something? Its very strange.
@belkys120
@belkys120 4 жыл бұрын
THE FUTURE OF ( AKIDO ) , IS TO STAY PURE !!!!! , FROM ITS ORIGINAL TEACHINGS .!!!!!! . NO NEED TO ADD OR TAKE AWAY FROM ITS FOUNDATION .!!!!!!!! . OR STOP WATERING IT , ( DOWN );, ITS CONCEPT .!!!!!!!! . THATS WHAT WELL MAKE IT WEAK .!!!!!! . AND ( NEGATIVE SPEECH , DOES , NOT HELP. 😢) .!!!!!!! .🙏🏾😎😠😎🙏🏾....GET ON THAT MATT , AND PROVE YOUR POINT .? . 😳😂🤣😂😳.....
@Ernesto7608
@Ernesto7608 3 ай бұрын
I don't value one word you said. You condemned Riuji Shirakawa for teaching "pure bullshit", without providing any proof of it. You haven't talked to him, he didn't tell you that it is all theater. I did start with Aikido in my 70s, without any previous martial art experience. Now, ten years later, I recognize its value and recognize that its principles are sound. I hope never having to defend myself from any attack, but I am SURE that I will react to it better than if I had not learned Aikido. And you lazily sitting there condemning it I find it abominable. Now I am an octogenarian, and I can do all the ukemi required in Aikido, I practice with people half my age, and my next step is the black belt. Self-defense was not the reason I chose Aikido. I live in a place where I can legally carry a concealed gun. There is much more to a martial art than "self-defense". Thanks to Aikido I have stayed fit, I am perfectly healthy and functional. Aikido gives me SATISFACTION, JOY, PRIDE. Your strong condemnation of it shows that your values are not the right ones. Hopefully when you get older you will change.
@Dragon749
@Dragon749 5 жыл бұрын
I have a great idea. Why don't you challenge him and tell him his Aikido doesn't work. Tell him his techniques are useless against the mighty BJJ. Lol maybe you can take on his entire dojo. Then when you get your ass kicked and your ass handed to you then and only then you can show us a video of how it happened.
@MartialArtsJourney
@MartialArtsJourney 5 жыл бұрын
Are you sure he would accept? Could you organize it? I'd be down for that. If you won't organize it though, then s**t the f**k up
@driver3899
@driver3899 5 жыл бұрын
Are you an aikido practitioner? How about this, why dont you go ask a bjj guy to come spar with you and see if you can wrist throw him into submission lol All very different when you actually have to back up your busllshit claims though isnt it?
@lionsden4563
@lionsden4563 5 жыл бұрын
He's not even a martial artist but I've always see him defending Master Wong on his KZbin channel.
@Dragon749
@Dragon749 5 жыл бұрын
@@MartialArtsJourney you are the one talking about martial arts. I'm sure he would accept your challenge. I'm sure it will generate many views. You will be famous for taking out an entire dojo man come on now! You know like Bruce Lee... Just imagine.
@Dragon749
@Dragon749 5 жыл бұрын
@@driver3899 lol I'm sure the BJJ guy will get his ass handed to him. My claim is that he can kick your ass. Oh wait you are the BJJ guy?
@laser__unicorn
@laser__unicorn 5 жыл бұрын
Hello? Anyone at the comment section? Anyone...?
@lucian5389
@lucian5389 5 жыл бұрын
Echo...echo.....echo.......
@MartialArtsJourney
@MartialArtsJourney 5 жыл бұрын
Tadam
@warlocklair7998
@warlocklair7998 5 жыл бұрын
AIKIDO GUYS CAN BE Stunt doubles :)
@IrishCaesar
@IrishCaesar 4 жыл бұрын
Some of the moves in that video you were showing were legit. The only thing is they weren't specific to aikido. Everything that works in that video is something already from another martial art
@PeteSpankenstein
@PeteSpankenstein 5 жыл бұрын
Friend, you evloved to the best form of you! Thanks for beeing real, beeing clear and honnest! Love you brother! keep on keeping on! Your friend Pete! (A former aikido blackbelt as well)
@maheshwarananda
@maheshwarananda 4 жыл бұрын
Definitely, Aikido s good for the mind and body, and there is nothing wrong with it. I guess most of the Aikidokas knows that most of the fights should be avoided and if you can t at least a little knowledge might help. i guess you are trained, taught and you taught and expected the wrong Aikido or you did not understand what is it meant for. You moved on to MMA fine then just talk about MMA, leave Aikido alone most of the Shihan and Instructors knows what they are teaching and their responsibilities. They are Adults enough to handle themselves. You stayed 14 years in Aikido and do you honestly think you can stay even half that much in MMA? you must be joking and if you think your MMA is good enough i will arrange a spar or fight with our students who are trained KI and Aikido base Combative fighting technique. i will send you the location when you think you re ready and this time it is not for free for you. Lol
@stefanschleps8758
@stefanschleps8758 5 жыл бұрын
As usuall in videos such as this one. The commentator throws the baby out with the bathwater. While it would be more accurate to say that defensive moves such as these shown may prove very difficult for the novice that is not to say that they wouldn't work. There is a great deal of BS out there . Thats true! But you forget the one all important maxim. The art does not make the man. It is the man that makes the art. Unfortunately I have experienced several attempts on my life with men wielding handguns, knifes, clubs, shotguns, and swords. Yes, you read that right. Swords! I do not say this litely. But with almost fifty years of constant practice and real combat experience I would be remiss not to do so. My training was spartan. We did not practice with guns or knifes. We trained the mind and body to correctly reflect the situation and for the body to present the most simple solution effectively. So maybe YOU couldn't make these techniques work. Just so long as he can, this is all that matters. No art is effective but the man who makes it so. Keep practice. Good luck. Overcome the darkness. Return the Light. Laoshr #60 Ching Yi Kung Fu Association
@kingofaikido
@kingofaikido 4 жыл бұрын
Not another stupid video..! Dude, "aikido doesn't work" because "it doesn't pressure test." You repeat this and you say that people don't specifically train to resist. Why do you keep lying...? There is plenty of pressure testing in the aikido I trained in. Timing flows out of such training. However, we don't insist everyone do this. It depends on what you are interested in. But to keep harping on about it not working...man..! Don't you get tired..? MMA doesn't work either. In competitions, there is one winner and one loser usually, unless there is a tie. That means, one person's MMA works and the other doesn't. Isn't that so..?
@wttao39
@wttao39 5 жыл бұрын
I totally understand the for critique your former martial art BUT..... DO NOT EASILY RUSH into conclusions just because some guys of mma neutralize you.....!!! (THE SAME THING COULD EASILY HAPPEN BY AIKIDO PRACTITIONERS AS WELL WITH A VERY DIFFERENT APPROACH IN AIKIDO FROM YOUR OWN....) WE ALL understand the insufficienties of Aikido but THE SAME APPLIES for the MMA as well.....!!! DO NOT CONFUSE THE MMA SPARRING WITH RULES AND PROTECTION GEAR WITH REAL LIFE AND DEATH SITUATION ON THE STREET WERE ANYTHING GOES.....!!! YOU LL BE SURPRISED BADLY..... FOR EXAMPE BECAUSE YOU REFER TO TRAPPING TECHNIQUES..... WHY DO YOU NOT TRY THIS..... WITH YOUR NEW "ABILITIES" WHY DON'T YOU TRY TO SPARRING WITH A HIGH RANKING OF WING TSUN (NOT Wing Chun) PRACTITIONER OR AN A ESKRIMA FIGHTER WITHOUT RULES AND PROTECTION GEAR AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.....!!!! As far as the Shirakawa videos I agree it is kind of light and fun approach BUT IT HAPPEN TO KNOW HIM PERSONALLY AND BELIEVE ME YOU CAN NOT INCAPACITATED HIM WITH YOUR NEW ABILITIES..... SO IN THE FUTURE YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOSE THE ARROGANT ATTITUDE AND BE MORE SCEPTICAL CAUSE YOU ARE YOUNG..... YOU HAVE MUCH MORE TO LEARN ABOUT THE EFFECTIVENESS OF VARIOUS MARTIAL ARTS AND START TO QUESTION A BIT YOUR NEW MMA COSPEL.... IT'S NOT THE ULTIMATE TRUTH YOU THINK IT IS.....!!!
@rickylee734
@rickylee734 5 жыл бұрын
Hello Sir, Well We All Have Different Opinions, On How Effective Aikido Is As Martial ( Military Combatting Force). Where The Art Belongs Is In The Katas. The Grappling & The Throws Are Effective. If We Understand How To Effectively Pull Off The Attempts. One Must Comprehend Aikido, Deals With Subterfuge ( Evade & Capture). Cut Out Most Of The Floury Portions We Have A Killing Art. Neck Snapping Back Breaking Military Art. Just Like Aiki jujutsu. Same With Tai Chi, For Instance Tai Chi Boxing.. Only A Few Have Really Comprehend The Softer Styles. There Is A Lot Of Flour To Hide The More Deadlier Aspects Of The Styles. But As There Is Always A But, For It Is A Conjunction.It Takes A Long Time To Perceive, Especially When It Was Taught To ( I.e The Occidental Student, En Mass). Please, Consider This Point Wisdom Is Pensive, Wile Understand Is Investigative, To Mean There Is No Royal Road To The Mystery Of The Art Of Fighting,. Each Kata Must Be Probed, To Discover It’s Weaknesses And Strength (It’s Effectiveness In Actual Combat) So This Is The Reason For All These Discrepancies.
@shinobihiriyu-originalninj4634
@shinobihiriyu-originalninj4634 4 жыл бұрын
Aikido will work if you mix it with other styles like boxing, kickboxing, judo, jiu jutsu and so on. Real sparring is needed and the end result will be fast, brutal and effective but it will not look elegant and beautiful like in this video. The moves will be limited too what is easy to learn and realistic in a real fight.
@resultbasedhandsonhealing1919
@resultbasedhandsonhealing1919 3 жыл бұрын
His stuff is fake If practitioners look for illusions he ends up doing illusionary stuff. Those practitioners do “fancy” stuff Most highest skills practitioners moves aren’t fancy even aikido or tai chi, or whatever.
@larsunddiewelt9438
@larsunddiewelt9438 5 жыл бұрын
Sorry to reopen this box again. But honest question. If someone comes bullrushing like Brunson does a few times against Whittaker - wouldn't aikido work then? kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGKVeox5ftWdmc0
@historysshityistdisciple9296
@historysshityistdisciple9296 5 жыл бұрын
Knife Defense needs to be short and fast. Simple is nice however regardless if you have to do more movement than the stabber its not gonna work. Look up Krave Maga Nick Drossos It's some alright stuff. Aikido's role is helping arts like Sun Hang do or Shorinji Kempo learn joint minpulations thats it. Ton's of arts have learned what to do if someone is really dum and leaves and opening for a joint lock however still use's striking and however still not depending on people to be that dum to leave a joint lock opening. If you want to learn joint locks you can do it without Aikido and odds are it will work because your not depending on it.
@SoldierDrew
@SoldierDrew 4 жыл бұрын
Daito Ryu Aiki-Jujutsu: Weapons Retention/Counter-Seizing art of the palace, court, guards. A combative weapon based art for countering unarmed attempts to seize, hold and disarm an armed indoor palace/court guard. Followed by drawing one's blade to kill the attacker after having attained a superior position using empty hand counters. AiKiDo: Physical, Emotional, Fitness Excercise program, according to the words of the founder Morehei Ueshiba. Not a combative art. Not a martial (martial = military) art. Read The Art of Peace by Morehei Ueshiba. Aikido is for excercise only, according to Morihei Ueshiba.
@jeremyt6408
@jeremyt6408 5 ай бұрын
Has anyone had issues with motion sickness while practicing Aikido? I recently did a trial class, and I kept getting dizzy and naseous while practicing flips. Is there a way to overcome this? Is there anything that helps?
@jkv6240
@jkv6240 4 жыл бұрын
Where I live (central Germany), the most widespread martial arts (per number of practitioners) are Karate (striking), Western Boxing (striking), Judo (grappling) and Aikido (grappling). There are dojos, clubs and classes everywhere. For many other martial arts, even for the more well-known like Fencing, Kungfu or Taekwondo, this is not the case (good luck finding a trainer when moving to another city). Judo and Aikido, although both include grappling, don't compete with each other because Judo is often considered a sport. So Judo fills the grappling-sports nitch and Aikido the grappling-"'traditional'/art of body movement/soft technique/most philosophical" nitch. No other grappling martial art competes with Aikido because they aren't that widespread (like Wrestling) and/or mostly unknown (like Hapkido). If someone wants to learn grappling, and has no interest in doing this as a sport, Aikido is the most obvious choice. Now here's the big question: Since it fits this nitch so well, how can Aikido develop itself? I'm not saying it doesn't has to develop, I'm saying there's no pressure to do so. Maybe it will some day because the martial arts focussing on striking and kicking are nowadays opening up to self-defense applications, therefore including grappling techniques, which makes Aikido training obsolete (in the case that one only needs a small number of techniques). I'm aware that my view on Aikido is very limited, since I'm not an Aikido practitioner (some Judo and Hapkido only, long ago) and I only have an idea about a regional situation.
@dennismason3740
@dennismason3740 2 жыл бұрын
In 1977 I met Mister Koichi Tohei and he rocked my world in a 88 minute demonstration in which I participated. My world was rocked forever and so I investigated OG aikido. In my experience aikido is more like the way of harmony and I'm a composer. Voila! The frequencies on your mic hurts my bones. (tone down the high end, please)
@pahtashow
@pahtashow 4 жыл бұрын
15:57 > this (AIKIDO) is just a fun nice game - It is not YOGA. Not a dance ! Not a fun nice game ! IT IS AIKIDO ! Whether you like it or not, it's also a tradition . KEEP IT IN MIND - AIKIDO !
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