Is this the most cost-effective handling upgrade for a Model 3?

[@Dave-gg6vl]

If you upgrade the suspension to coilovers Mountain Pass Performance actually recommend putting the stock sway bars back in or using their sway bars which are only mild stiffness.

[@TeslaGurus]

I agree that with any decent set of coilovers the sway bars don't need to be upgraded but it does depend to some extent on the spring rates used.

[@johntisbury]

Looks great and a nice simple upgrade for the competent home mechanic. I'm sure this upgrade will improve my MP3 too. Anti-roll bars are the business, I added a front and rear one to my 57 Chevy which was on crossplys. Transformed the car. .

[@baranguler1168]

Wider tyres and drop the pressures will give same effect. I have equipped my tm3p with 245 45 18 Goodyear Supersport tyres with light rims. Hot pressures is 40psi. 100 load Index tyre, can carry more weight at lower pressures. On 42psi cold, car tips/rolls more. Effect that you're describing. With lower pressure, sport steering mode is more compliant too.

[@DaveOteroTube]

Great video. Loads of knowledge and no fluff. Subscribed!

[@romansenger2322]

I like your calm voice!

[@Car_Tism]

I put Unplugged Performance sway bars on my M3P, and it was a SIGNIFICANT difference. The car doesn’t feel “heavy” anymore, much more responsive, and you can tell it’s using more of the tire patch. I went with UP because they have bushing locks so the bars won’t move around under load. Did both easily with a set of ramps. Definitely recommend them!

[@TeslaGurus]

The Redwood bars also have clamps to stop the bar moving from side to side, but more importantly they do not have welded ends like the UP bars. I have fitted both UP and Redwood bars and I can honestly say the Redwood ones are better engineered, which is why we went with them.

[@goodreason6462]

which setting was yours?

[@TeslaGurus]

@@goodreason6462 Full stiff all round for me!

[@cyprianskiba8768]

This is what I needed to know! Looks like Redwood it is!

[@stratogenarian1093]

Already looking forward to the video with the upgrade to the model 3 suspension.

[@dannyfpv123]

Such a great and informative video; thank you for all this knowledge

[@curseknight5]

What kind of tires are highly recommended for city handling? Like wanting to take an off-ramp more confidently without being washed out like my stock 18'' aerowheel package.

[@westsiyed]

I love redwood!! I have their suspension for my model 3 performance & wow :)

[@LeiChat]

I hadn't heard of Redwood previously. How do their products compare to Eibach? The Redwood's appear to be roughly £180 more than the Eibach EIBE40-87-001-01-11 set.

[@westsiyed]

@@LeiChat redwood is using ohlins parts. ohlins is very, very reputable in the performance world. I would say for an additional 180 euro for the redwood is a great deal when compared to a eibach system.

[@LeiChat]

@@westsiyed Thank you.

[@MrSpuzzz]

Great video, you deserve more subs.

[@TeslaGurus]

Thank you! Get the word out to all your friends!

[@MrJBMedia]

Another excellent video, nice one!

[@TeslaGurus]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@hyp36rmax]

Very informative thank you!

[@davebway6371]

Nice explanation!

[@taylorsmunich5360]

I am so regret to have my sway bar upgraded to Eibach,which is much stiffer than stock one resulted in a very uncomfortable drive

[@TeslaGurus]

Are you using the factory drop links or did you buy adjustable ones with the sway bars?

[@cyprianskiba8768]

What hole setting did your friend use for the front snd back on the sway bars?

[@TeslaGurus]

He went full stiff front and rear. I would recommend maybe trying full stiff at the rear and mid way at the front to begin with but it depends on what sort of driving you'll be doing and whether you have any other modifications to the car.

[@kevinalmeida7159]

Wrong about the welded tips a good tip is welded but the tip should be welded on outside but also have a tab that protrudes inside the tubes this prevents flex and hot spots but a formed tube can only be formed so much before it becomes the weak point. I won’t make any claims it’s not better than stock but as an engineer I can make a better product that has a weld

[@billyleungkt]

Thank you for great video. Just wonder these upgs will void your model 3 warranty?

[@TeslaGurus]

Only on other parts related to the upgrade

[@taileezz]

Do you have the squeaking noise from the rubber bushings? I got the same sway bar and have that noise! Any suggestions?

[@TeslaGurus]

All sway bars and bushings can suffer from squeaking after a while. The usual answer is to re-grease between the bar and bushing but we are testing a more permanent solution. Have you gone back to whoever supplied them to find out what they say?

[@terraformingcats8175]

What about the end links? Are there any upgrades for the end links?

[@westsiyed]

Did you notice any different with rear control arm at stock ride height?

[@MrAdopado]

If the thicker anti roll bars are better and don't detract from the ride quality why are the OEM bars not to that same specification? Any cost difference would be invisible at the time of manufacture. There must surely be a trade off somewhere?

[@TeslaGurus]

For the same reason a lot of owners complain about the ride quality and handling of the factory coilover suspension. All components on production cars are carefully cost-controlled by the accountants. They just have to be 'adequate' for the target market. Not all Model 3 owners care whether it handles really well, so a cheaper anti roll bar with no adjustment is fine for them.

[@MrAdopado]

@@TeslaGurus But if we are talking about the Performance Model 3 people are paying well over the odds ... for ... performance!

[@TeslaGurus]

Name one mass produced (i.e >5000 per year) performance car which is fitted with the very best of each and every component from the factory. This is why tuning companies exist. They make a mass produced car better by improving areas the bean counters don't allow. For the performance you are getting from a stock Model 3 Performance, you would be charged a lot more money by BMW, Mercedes, Porsche etc.

[@MarkSanders77A]

Great video 👍 just found /subscribed . Nice to hear some English 😆 Question: can you explain more about the adjustments .. I always thought softer antirollbar at front and harder at back reduces understeer and gives better turn in (almost counter intuitive !) . Does this apply to the model 3 ? . And how effective are the 3 positions ?

[@TeslaGurus]

Hi Mark, thanks for the nice comments! Yes, you're quite right that stiffening one anti roll bar will lead to a higher proportion of grip at the other end. It works exactly the same with the Model 3 but because it already has a lot of grip available and turns in nicely even in standard form, I don't think most drivers (using one on the road) will feel a dramatic change in balance by altering the settings. Probably more of an overall feeling of more/less body roll. On the track, it's a different matter and in standard form the Model 3 tends to understeer, as most cars do these days, so adjustable ARBs can be used quite effectively to improve the balance, although it has to be said that the Model 3 Performance is really the only version suitable for serious track driving. With the M3P, you'd use Track Mode settings mainly to dial out the understeer, but the ARBs can then be adjusted to fine tune the balance.

[@LeiChat]

​@@TeslaGurus With the Redwood set, are the stiffness settings all stiffer than the standard anti roll bars? Or is one hole on each roughly equivalent to standard? Do Redwood suggest selecting specific stiffness options for front and rear or is that all down to driver preference? I'm assuming some drivers may prefer understeer/oversteer?

[@TeslaGurus]

Yes, the lowest settings on these bars will be stiffer than the stock bars. Which settings you choose will be down to driver preference and also whether you have any other modifications to the car such as different size tyres, staggered v. square set up, coilovers etc.

[@LeiChat]

@@TeslaGurus Thank you. Driving a stock 2021 (Fremont) LR with 18" currently. While researching options I noticed the Eibach sway bar kit for the Model 3 isn't listed as compatible with the 2021 model. Could just be the retailer configurator has not been updated yet or perhaps Tesla made some minor tweaks to the suspension too. Nothing on Redwood Motorsports site to suggest their set is or isn't compatible with 2021 model year cars.

[@TeslaGurus]

@@LeiChat You'd benefit from the sway bar upgrade and maybe start off with the front bar set to medium and the rear bar full stiff and go from there.

[@cyprianskiba8768]

Great video! Why did you choose redwood motorsports sway bars and not eibach or other brands? Just curious

[@TeslaGurus]

SImply, they are the best engineered ARBs for the Model 3 we have seen. Eibach are a close #2.

[@steinmar2]

Finally Now I will keep my M3P and get some Eibach Sway Bars to bad their are only available in the US and i have to import them to Austria

[@steinmar2]

Should I also buy the adjustable end links only available for the front? Already have the lowering springs from eibach

[@TeslaGurus]

Eibach are available in Europe. And Tevo can ship Redwood ARBs to Austria too. :)

[@steinmar2]

@@TeslaGurus where are the eibach sway bars available? I was searching the whole week for it ARBs? Thr shop has some nice stuff that i will buy some time

[@TeslaGurus]

Eibachs have been in short supply, that's true. I meant to say they are sold in Europe. Doesn't mean they are available though.

[@steinmar2]

@@TeslaGurus ah okay - yeah i also found no tüv certificate so i thought they maybe don’t sell them in Europe I sent them a enquiry via mail but i already contacted a seller on ebay taxes and shipment is heavy almost doubles the price..

[@samuelprice538]

ive noticed excessive tyre wear on the rear wheels of my M3P. I read that it can be caused by faults with the rear suspension. There doesnt seem to be any adjustability on the rear wheel suspension either at least with stock parts. Have you guys made a video about this, can it be easily upgraded to help preserve the tyres?

[@TeslaGurus]

There is adjustment for toe, which is the most likely cause of your wear.

[@samuelprice538]

@@TeslaGurus The wear is entirely on the inside of the tyre, it looked in good condition from the outside. When up on the ramp it was down through to the fabric. The garage guy said there was no adjustment he could make.

[@TeslaGurus]

@@samuelprice538 He was wrong. There is a small amount of adjustment for toe at the rear. Take it to someone who knows what they are doing such as Blackboots in Chesham, Bucks.

[@LeiChat]

Will the lifespan of stock end links be affected by fitting a stiffer anti-roll bar? Cheapskate, pondering if it's a false economy to avoid having aftermarket end links fitted if it's somewhat inevitable they will need replacing later. Will confess to much of the information in www.aurorabearing.com/pdf/in-rod-we-trust.pdf going over my head. Are the stock end links non-adjustable, meaning there might be some unbalanced pre-load on the anti-roll bar?

[@TeslaGurus]

Making any suspension part stiffer could shorten the lifespan of other parts on the car, but it's difficult to guess how much it might affect the drop link bushes. Not much I'd say. Aftermarket end links will also wear too. Everything has a lifespan!

[@nzpomdotcom]

Is it worth doing this on a SR+? It would be great to hear about mods for the non performance that give bang for your buck.

[@TeslaGurus]

Yes, absolutely. It'll make a big difference even if you never take your car on track. Reduces body roll without changing the feel of the car when it's driving along the road normally. The standard SR anti roll bars are smaller than the M3P ones, so you'd probably feel even more of a difference if you fitted these.

[@olbtube]

@@TeslaGurus How much smaller is the SR+ compared to the performance's? Would it make sense to upgrade the SR+ AR-bar to the performance's which are going to be available second hand thanks to people upgrading their perf M3 then? :-) Or better go full monthy directly ?

[@steinmar2]

@@olbtube good idea my performance bars will be available austria near german border or via postal

[@TeslaGurus]

I'd say you'll get much more benefit from going to aftermarket bars rather than Performance bars. Plus the aftermarket ones will be adjustable.

[@olbtube]

@@TeslaGurus thanks! All a matter of bang for the buck in the end. Would be great to try the different versions before buying, which gives the after market and advantage.