IS THIS THE NEWEST ESPRESSO TREND?: Londinium Vectis Spring Lever Review

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[@LanceHedrick]

TO BE MORE THAN CLEAR: There is a) rated pressure and b) observed pressure. The rated pressure, as I said, is 8.5 bar. The observed pressure, which is what I show testing in the video, seems to be 6 bar. Some have said there is air in the puck and this skews the reading BUT I filled the puck fully with water which is an even more efficient blockade than coffee grounds. So, any air effect on the pressure will be inferior to that of on coffee. ALSO Some current users said Pesado will fit if you tighten it really tight and La Marzocco portafilters fit. My pesado is a bit loose but not negating it! And I had no LM on hand.

[@TomJones-tx7pb]

Also the pre-infusion pressure is on the low side and I suspect the water temperature is also on the high side, which puts an extraction too close to over-extraction for my risk taking sensibilities.

[@andrewswingler]

The pressure will be a function of the spring's compressed position and therefore the position of the lever. When fully compressed the pressure will be a maximum and then will decrease as the spring expands. You don't show this nor do you seem to show the pressure at the point where the spring just starts to expand - i.e. with the lever more or less horizontal. This can easily happen if there is any air above the 'puck'. If I have air above my puck the lever starts to resist late at about 45 deg and I know I'm operating with reduced pressure at that point. It's best to pre-infuse in a way that purges all the air through the puck. The position of the lever when it meets the 'resistance' tells all.

[@iconindexsymbol]

So it is an 8.5 bar spring after all? 😵‍💫

[@LanceHedrick]

@_aichan_ I never said it wasnt... let's all learn to pay close attention

[@andrewswingler]

The video describes rated pressure and so-called ‘observed’ pressure. From what I can see it’s the review that omitted to observe or attempt to confirm the rated pressure. I could go on here in some detail about what's wrong with that experimental process used to evaluate this particular machine but I'll let the reviewer contact me if, in fact, there is any real interest in doing things in a rigorous and scientifically credible manner.

[@AlexanderLabial]

I really appreciate that you take the machines apart! Definitely helps me understand the machines a lot better!

[@LanceHedrick]

I had to to swtich out the pstat, so figured we'd start filming while it was dissected haha! I always enjoy an inside look ,personally. Thanks for watching!

[@midnight_teddy]

Thanks for doing what you do Lance.

[@MacawAviculture]

I sold my Rancilio Classe 5 and purchased a Profitec Pro 800 lever espresso machine. Best espresso ever, a simple design without complex electronics, and beautiful stainless steel design. I use a 22 gram basket and can make the best double latte ever. Great video, thanks for sharing!

[@tcl7563]

Another great review! Was considering this but will just wait until all the issues are sorted out!

[@colemangolf1]

Yes...Very nice Lance! 👏 Solid presentation, Professional and great delivery!

[@BensCoffeeRants]

My 0.8 Bar boiler Europiccola does pre-infusions just fine, 1.2 Bar should be even better. The only problem is if you grind way too fine then it won't get saturated completely. I think that's one main benefit of these level machines easy pre infusion.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

That fill valve thing is pretty cool.

[@blackbirdmanf]

Was waiting for this one!

[@LanceHedrick]

heck yeah!

[@petercaddy]

Me too. Would love to see Lance review the Argos lever machine vs this.

[@Daniel-kd4fr]

Thanks for being honest!

[@LanceHedrick]

thanks for watching and supporting!

[@mattlabella7850]

Nice honest review, betters the product and we all benefit eventually. Psyched for the upcoming Argos review! About as difficult to get ahold of as a GR Corolla right now 😅 but maybe worth the wait?!

[@db7069]

Really good review, as usual. The production was very fancy. 😀

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you! Hugo is an awesome videographer/editor.

[@sympathetic_crustacean]

Review seems more....candid than usual? Which is much appreciated, I must say!

[@LanceHedrick]

oh nice! I wasn't trying anything different. Psychology is a weird one, eh? haha!

[@SergioGonzalezMartin]

It has too many issues to be a viable buying option. I'd have been much more harsher.

[@sparker_87]

Love the music choice 😊

[@marcustiplea9297]

ooo i have been waiting for this particular one

[@LanceHedrick]

hope you enjoy!

[@bungeoppang210]

Been patiently waiting for this review! Thanks for this honest review. Very much appreciated. Was considering to replace my profitec pro 600 with this. Already had two Creminas on my bench before, they however had tilted group heads, so I returned them. Also i expected more when it comes to build-quality and price. Couldn’t live up to what I read online. Tough I love it’s appearance. So the search continuous. Probably a Stietman would be worth a look. Steam would be nice to have. Tough recently awesome external steaming options started to appear. Thanks lance!

[@blingbling2001]

You returned two Creminas because of tilted heads? Is that a fault with them?

[@bungeoppang210]

@@blingbling2001 at least it was a thing. Can’t tell if it is still an issue. The group head was visibly not mounted straight on my unit. Next to the grouphead itself, one of the visible effects was that one of the shot glasses received 70% of the liquid when using the double spout. Can’t tell which effect it did have on extraction. After several mails to Olympia they opened that the production line was not set correctly. Still they claimed that everything was within tolerance. As they said that they fixed the issue, I returned the machine and ordered a new one of the newest batch. Still had the same issue.… so I gave up. If you plan to buy one, I recommend to check this upon arrival.

[@jtambor1]

Which external steamers are you looking at?

[@1kizzle12]

Olympia service I found awful. Ordered a Cremina, same thing and other issues like torn leaking seals out the box, and they couldn’t be less interested. Returned and bought a Strietman CT2, couldn’t be happier.

[@bungeoppang210]

@@1kizzle12 yes they just massively benefit from all the internet exposure. TBH I was also not impressed with the so often praised build quality. Glad that you found the Strietman to fulfill all your needs. I also eyeballed with it, but the missing steam always kept myself from buying it

[@sedelstein]

Great video, very helpful and informative. Thanks for posting. Two questions: 1. can you get 50g with Fellini? 2. how did you like the milk steaming?

[@AlexSexton]

FYI the Weber portafilter and the Sworks portfilter will mount, they just go pretty far to the right.

[@KevP.]

I did have a look at this but the website let me down initially, so weird, but I’m glad it did. The build quality here is pretty naff once you look past the shiny shiny. So many issues looking at it. Proportions look weird as well. So glad I chose the Profitec Pro 800. It also gets to pressure in 15 minutes and after a few flushes is ready to go. Best decision in my coffee career yet!!

[@evergreen4940]

As a Vectis owner, this review was spot on. Not a perfect machine by any metric given the restrictions and quirks you mentioned in the video. As far as the value, I probably bought the first secondhand Vectis (that shut down the thread on HB 😅) and certainly would have been let down if I had paid new price + import duties. All that said, the thing is a great no fuss daily driver and super easy to DIY repair. Great video Lance!

[@LanceHedrick]

Thank you! Yes very easily DIY. I tried to show that in the video. Thank you for the kind words!

[@TomJones-tx7pb]

Definitely has its place in the market, and I would prefer it over an antique lever machine.

[@ccuellar6212]

Should of bought the Argo.

[@evergreen4940]

@@TomJones-tx7pb exactly. I was cross shopping this with the Cremina and had the deal I couldn't pass up, 100% feel that I made the right choice sticking with the Vectis!

[@fordcortina]

@@ccuellar6212 Ahh, the Argos... might as well be made of unobtanium, from where I sit, at the bottom of the planet...

[@AnOtterCoffee]

My Pesado PF fits well on my machine. I use the billet 14-16g from Sheldon nowadays for light roasts.

[@LanceHedrick]

My Pesado doesn't fit. I'll check again, but I wasn't able to get it in when testing me PFs

[@lowkinson2899]

Ayyy new vid ❤

[@LanceHedrick]

yeeeeesssss

Good review. Thanks.

[@beavisbestfriend]

Wild, that looks like a 2000$ Pavoni with a spring and all the same issues. Thanks, but no thanks! Refreshing to see a video review that isn't overly hyping what's going on, thanks Lance!

[@ch99onpsp]

nice review, thanks so much

[@gpapa31]

Ok, Argos it is then. Thnx Lance. Awesome review!

[@hellsacolyte]

I was waiting for this one, thanks Lance! Great review, well shot and edited! I guess the hunt for a "relatively" good price spring lever continues.

[@classicrockonly]

Not the Argos Odyssey?

[@johnl.7582]

@@classicrockonly the Odyssey looks amazing but you'd want to be immortal at this stage with the rate of production.

[@hellsacolyte]

@@classicrockonly it was originally what I wanted but it's taken quite a long time and they seem to be hitting lots of issues going by the newsletters they put out. I saw a video where a user noted it just felt rougher in terms of build quality.

[@glengoodwin]

I think I’ll swallow the idiosyncrasies and go with the Pavoni or Elektra for a spring lever.

[@CH-yp5by]

Pavoni do not make a spring lever

[@xdaggersoul]

I’m using the Bezzera Strega and it’s great value for the performance it gives. Please try it, Lance!

[@jameschang8174]

I just bought a Strega after seeing all reviews online before this one.

[@xdaggersoul]

@@jameschang8174 have u tried it out?

[@baldheadracing]

Looks like a copy of the (real) FAEMA E-61 portafilter - the original version that has thicker lugs than what is found on E-61's/Marzocco's these days. The thick-lugged portafilters are also found on pretty much every vintage commercial 58mm lever - so it is a 'standard size,' just not the standard that you - and many others - have. Rancilio portafilters should also lock-in, albeit at an angle and maybe needing a spacer on the top of the group gasket.

[@AJ-gj8zx]

I like the footprint. Seems like the same as a Lelit Mara X. I like it

[@LanceHedrick]

Definitely a nice footprint. I think it can be even smaller, but things take time haha!

[@brentroman]

@8:32 - very nice tease there Lance! 😂

[@LanceHedrick]

haha! Appreciate you!

[@ben3561]

I loved the reflection of Hugo!

[@LanceHedrick]

he is so beautiful, aye? haha

[@ben3561]

​@@LanceHedrick Dear Lance! I often come back and rewatch your vids, yet just realized this review became a kinda battlefield 😢 True, Sir Hoffmann had made me love coffee vids, but you made me love coffee! You rock!

[@suparerksupasith6019]

I can use my Rancilio Silvia (bottomless) portafilter with the Vectis, but it locks further like 4pm degree.

[@LanceHedrick]

oh you can!? nice! that is like the only portafilter I have that I didn't try on the machine haha

[@RobTaBier]

At point 2:22 I had already devided not to get this 😂 Quality issues can be a pain. About to upgrade the current setup and it is not exactly easy to choose. Mortals can choose only once

[@mujerboricua80]

Gah. I really wanted this to be worth the money. Almost purchased it. Thanks so much for the review!

[@MBergyman]

I'm subscribed! Been for a while. I love levers, and manual mechanical bits in general - just no room for the lever to rest under my cupboards above my counter. I'm waiting for the wood-fire-heated boiler trend to take off...

[@MBergyman]

@@CaldwellCoffee oak smells so nice.

[@OrenUrbach]

Great video!

[@martinmanzi1830]

I hear what you say Lance but I just can think: Damn this machine looks good!

[@CH-yp5by]

Its shame the machine is not quite there, I really wanted to get this machine as I live in London so its cheaper without import tax. I will have to wait for the 2nd interation if there is one, hopefully there will be where that pressure can get up to 9 bar. Edit: On second thoughts, a lot of spring lever machines do not create 9 bar pressure, the Olympia Cremina SL certainly does not so Lance considering the issues you have raised the others being rather minor and do not negatively affect t the performance let alone were initial issues that have been resolved by Londinium, if you live in the UK where there is obviously no import tax than this machine is certainly worth it compare don other Spring lever offerings, the only real competitor is the Bezzera Strega a true, tried and tested machine.

[@atzedevries9563]

can you do a hire pressure pre infusion by holding back the lever when you push the lever upwards?

[@_batman.]

Hey @LanceHedrick, I think you're actually seeing a lot of steam forcing its way through your puck giving you the weird cone-shaped stream as the shot falls into the cup. It might be a good idea to do a cooling flush before pulling the shot or maybe relieve some of the steam pressure by opening the steam wand. I don't think this has to do with the freshness of the beans.

[@LanceHedrick]

Yeah. It was a combo of steam and freshness. Issue is cooling flushes don't do much cooling in this bad boy haha! The temp kinda just keeps escalating.

[@_batman.]

@@LanceHedrick Maybe opening the steam wand a little would help but I wonder if that'll just tell the machine to heat up even more to create steam.. hmmm... I guess it's a lot like a La Pavoni Professional/Europiccola in that regard. Any reason they used a pstat instead of a PID? At $2k I feel like a PID would be a better choice.

[@thevisionbyzero]

That cup looks amazing, perfectly matches the Anthracite ECM Synchronika. Can you please share the brand, or a link for that cup ?

[@deathkid411]

If this is not the one to get. What lever with a 58mm portafilter for home use would you all recommend. I current have a Elektra micro casa leva and want to upgrade.

[@toulcaz31]

@LanceHedrick Does it feel to you like a stripped down design, two levels down (Compressa being one level) from what the R24 stands for this brand or a machine designed as a true individual proposition and concept that can stand on its own in their line-up? It feels to me like the former and maybe why it falls short from certain expectations as they want to maintain a gap for the R24.

[@LimitedWard]

The Holy Lance of Londinium!

[@LanceHedrick]

haha! Absolutely! About time I got my hands on one!

[@screwdriver93]

Thanks for the review been looking forward to this one. There was no mention of temperatures and stability. Another YT reviewer is reporting wild Scace readings. Interested in the experience you had.

[@LanceHedrick]

Who is mentioning wild scace readings? That's odd. I didn't experience this. Did the typical decline for me.

[@screwdriver93]

daddy got coffee in his pinned comment has some temp readings after elapsed machine heat up times. Maybe I am misinterpreting them but the way I read is that the brew temp just keeps creeping up the longer you leave the machine on, getting to well beyond boiling. He also reported a 20deg F decrease during the shot which may be normal. @@LanceHedrick

[@user-ns4em5sk9b]

Makes 100% sense to me. This is some of a ‚luxurious Pavoni‘ or Cremina and as such will gift us the same ‚challenges‘. Something for the addicted and lovers mostly, not for average users serving family and guests

[@user-ns4em5sk9b]

Pavoni with a spring, for sure. So better to be compared with Cremina SL. But still a dripper

[@kiyuen7776]

Hi Lance. I'm always a big fans of you and I have learned a lot with you videos. May I ask a question that is irrelevant to this video? I've always encounter the problem of having a shot of sticky crema when using some darkly roasted coffee. This is quite frustrating because it is more difficult for me to do latte art that requires rippling like Rosetta. I think this problem only comes from home espresso machine and I'm using the gaggia classic with pid control. I'm sure the coffee beans i used is not the reason since it is by Simple Kaffa and extremely delicious. I think it's something to do with the pressure of the espresso machine. Is there any way to fix it other than just swirling the espresso shot before pouring the milk? Or am I dialing the shot wrongly? (19g in 38g out in 30s). Thank you very much!

[@miin108]

Id recommend pulling a ristretto for beans that have thick crema. Leave the extra space for volume of milk

[@shahryarmasouem325]

Nice review. Is the Canal Portafilter for sale yet? Thnx

[@trojanhman8136]

You totally crushed this product. Hw about the Profitec 800 V2?

[@The_Coffee_Rabbit_Hole]

very glad you made that video.... i can have a much better opinion now ... thanks :)

[@LanceHedrick]

thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@LightZone9]

Proprietary falanges.....😂 Lance, have you looked at the Argos from Odyssey yet? I would love to hear your thoughts.

[@petercaddy]

+1 for Lance to review the Argos

[@konstantinosvakouftsis4086]

I like your cup what is it?

[@JCParagliding]

Are you planning on doing an R24 review? Or was your one and only Londinium review the Vectis?

[@CH-yp5by]

Good Q

[@michaelepstein7172]

Great review as always! Apologies if someone already asked this in the comments but did you do any temperature testing? I saw on their website that the machine doesn’t overheat even with long idle times or when pulling multiple back to back shots. Did you find this to be the case? Thanks!

[@BensCoffeeRants]

If you're having issues with the pressure stat going too high / over heating then I'd think the whole machine and brew temp would be affected! I think I had a shot from a small roaster / cafe on this machine and was surprised because I never had a shot that BURNED my tongue on the first sip before. So it felt like it must have been brewed at like 120 celsius! lol.

[@hvgotcodes]

Thanks for the review Lance. Have you tried the Argos? And comparisons to be had here?

[@LanceHedrick]

I have not yet. Just waiting for one to be ready for shipment.

[@EvanMcClain]

The proprietary portafilter is my main concern with the Argos, but I've been waiting for my preorder for a bit now.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

@@EvanMcClain That one doesn't use a standard E61 58mm either!? That's one thing I'm not liking about the Breville Dual Boiler, why make a 58mm machine and NOT use E61 compatible portafilters. Apparently the Vectis does use E61 portafilters according to the manufacturer?

[@timo7641]

hope you can get your hands on the Kees upcoming lever the Spiritello

[@LanceHedrick]

I am plannin on it!

[@TomJones-tx7pb]

Great review of a product that I would never buy. A Breville dual boiler seems to give better choices, and there is no way I would swap my Flair 58 for this machine.

[@Laz_Arus]

I was thinking the same thing while watching Lance highlight all the flaws. Pretty hard to justify the asking price when MY dual boiler (with the Slayer mod) can do everything, and I suspect, better than this Vectis. If you are lusting after a lever machine there are plenty of better options. Pass!

[@TomJones-tx7pb]

I would love to compare as you have.@@CaldwellCoffee

[@kovyrshinv]

Got Londinium R for less then that. R24 kit coming shortly. Way bigger, but better choice.

[@LanceHedrick]

Oh nice!

[@justlovelyaintit]

Bigger is better?

[@MagnaTurban]

I’m really interested in a lever machine - got my eye on an odyssey espresso Argos but I’m not pulling the trigger until I see a review from you or Daddy Hoff. Any plans to check it out?

[@jakesoltow6949]

Also very curious!

[@devotedpickleball]

Hey, Lance! Great video! I was wondering if you would review the new Varia Evo hybrid grinder. I’m interested to see how it stacks up as a budget grinder to grinders like the Baratza ESP.

[@LanceHedrick]

I might. It depends on the price, etc.

[@devotedpickleball]

@@LanceHedrick Sweet! Thanks for the reply.

[@ballentphoto]

Hi Flair 58, you are still safe 😊

[@rpinarreta]

I agree smaller lever machines like this should be using a 54mm portafilter. No longer buy the excuse that 58mm is the standard when so many companies use 54mm +/- in the home and pro-sumer espresso market.

[@DaddyMakesCoffee]

Man! I love the lever workflow, quietness and longevity. The most I hate is bleeding and shot off time though! Still 2 gr more than Argos in terms of basket and shot capability.

[@LanceHedrick]

interesting! didn't know the argos had such small water strictures.

[@DaddyMakesCoffee]

@@LanceHedrick Yep! Not able to pull 1 to 2 ratio over 16 without felliny.

[@odysseyespresso]

@@DaddyMakesCoffee You seem to be mistaken. The Argos ships with an 18g basket and consistently pulls 43g shots.

[@DaddyMakesCoffee]

@@odysseyespresso We had a live demo the other day and watched exactly what's going on in action! Its not about basket size though. Maybe you are referring to direct pull not spring loaded.

[@odysseyespresso]

@@DaddyMakesCoffee Ah, I see. Glad to hear about the live demo! With the Argos, yield is impacted significantly by air bled out through the piston. Many users still struggle with technique for getting air bled completely so we've been working on a variable flow restrictor to simplify this process. Once that's sorted, Lance is in line to receive a machine for demo and review.

[@crawdaddyy]

Lance can we get an update on your project with Breville please 😊

[@tonymendestv]

Brilliant.

[@doctordonutdude]

Sometimes I feel like you can lose the plot with some of these reviews as far as them being more than just a break down of the machine. This one felt very focused, while still being really detailed and honest. Very good, sir.

[@StarMrGreen]

Okay Lance, good job and thank u for ur efforts. PLease in the next video give me a tiny wink.

[@GuagoFruit]

With the existence and seeming popularity of the flair/standalone lever espresso machines, I think it's about time someone makes a standalone milk steamer. Or maybe I'll just buy this thing.

[@LanceHedrick]

Nanofoamer pro and morning milk steamer

[@GuagoFruit]

@@LanceHedrick had no idea about the nanofoamer pro. Always had a prejudice against that type of frother because they always seemed kinda bad compared to a normal steam wand, but your video about it changed my mind. For the next setup!

[@delta25er]

Lance, going to be in Lisbon for a week for a work conference in a couple of weeks. Would it be possible for you recommend some coffee spots please? Sorry if I've missed a video on this in the past!

[@coloradocoffee1876]

Torra Roasting & Coffee. We tried a good dozen places, and this was the only standout. The owner is a delightful coffee nerd. It's a short ride from the city center on public transportation.

[@AlbertoRestifo]

I recently decided to get a Profitec Pro 800 instead of this one. It’s not that much more money in the EU (after import taxes for the Londinium) and it’s a much more capable machine. After watching your review, I’m even happier with my decision! Great video Lance!

[@parasbhargava6047]

profitec 800 takes 45 minutes to heat up!

[@greysuit17]

Yeah I’m thinking the same and the heat up time is a non issue. The bars of pressure too are a no go.

[@LanceHedrick]

45min?? Jeez. that's crazy!

[@parasbhargava6047]

45 minutes is the spec. does anyone with real life experience know?

[@AlbertoRestifo]

25 minutes with a couple of flushes. 45 minutes it’s if you don’t touch it at all

[@blechnik]

seeing those welds an the drip tray doesnt seem like a QC issue to me, but just something were they saved money in the manufacturing process! you could clean these welds relatively easy (or improve the welding process, so they wont appear that much!!!) if the inside looks somewhat the same as the outside of the driptray, it will start to rut over time...

[@LanceHedrick]

Except when it is so bad a friend who got one had leaks at the corners lol. He filled the drip tray and it just leaked out the jagged edges

[@blechnik]

this is definetly a QC issue! (or again someone trying to save money by not optimizing the welding process. I you take a little time to get this process right, you just should not have this issue!)

[@Kyle-yo5oc]

What is this “canal” machine you speak of?

[@Stranglewood]

I've been using my Bezzera Strega nearly everyday for the last 10 years or so. I occasionally think about buying a new machine, but the cost of, say, an Olympia Cremina has put me off. I hope Londinium get the issues with this machine sorted, but I'll stick with my Strega for now.

[@LanceHedrick]

I want to get a Strega. I used one at HOST in Milan. Would like to put one through the paces.

[@lazatroncic]

​@@LanceHedrickI would like to see Strega at action!

[@justlovelyaintit]

​@@LanceHedrick You didn't have a Strega?😮 Strega is the machine that started the Lever revival using a modern machine.

[@meelramon]

I have the same issue, using a Strega for years but always looking for possible upgrade as well. But the Strega rocks. Mine has the mod (small spring out, other pump with lower peak pressure, no pid tho) and its an unbeatable machine. And I can’t justify a €5k machine like a Nurri to myself

[@justlovelyaintit]

@@meelramon Anything can be beaten.

[@ffsolutions9442]

Genuine question: who the hell watches this channel and the level of content, and does NOT subscribe?! Come on, people, get on with the program (or fear excessive channeling! 😁)

[@ea5437]

Me. Was surprise I didn’t subscribed beforehand. Maybe I did and miss/double clicked it. Anyway, thanks for the head up!

[@justlovelyaintit]

The comment on the the springpressure feeling too light doesn't make much sense. This machine has a long lever. Of course it feels light. Grip the lever two inches lower and pull it. I'm pretty sure it will feel like a 10 bar spring that way.Simple physics.

[@LanceHedrick]

It is in comparison to other machines with similar length levers.

[@justlovelyaintit]

​@@LanceHedrick Not compared to a Strega.Half an inch can make a big difference.

[@peters7788]

Reminds me of my own machine - the Pontevecchio Lusso. Kind of unfortunate that Londonium had us waiting for years, then basically re-invented a PVL.🙄

[@peters7788]

@@CaldwellCoffee not much! My default (and most other PVL owners) is to do a two-pull shot, but currently I am doing single pull ristrettos on an Italian dark roast and getting 18-20g, but that's with a boiler pressure pre-infusion.

[@justlovelyaintit]

​@@CaldwellCoffee kzbin.info/www/bejne/goGpkHR_mLl8paMsi=biBenhq3TPjB3Y57

[@johanamilano]

How is this any better/more innovative than the Bezzera Strega that has been around for quite some time???

[@johanamilano]

But I can get the Strega for less than 2000$ (at least where I‘m from)….

[@johanamilano]

⁠@@CaldwellCoffeeI see, thanks for the info! However, I personally would prefer to spend those 800 extra dollars to have a solid, high quality lever machine that allows me to use whichever basket & portafilter I want to use…

[@cricocoo]

I liked the MacGyver moment, although fun fact MacGyver did not like to drink coffee, so he would probably not have approved of this episode :p Interesting to learn about this machine though, but why did they bother with 58mm if it is not compatible with other portafilters?

[@LanceHedrick]

So it can fit la marzocco and pesado ones I've discovered but it's odd- la marzocco can also accept other portafilters. This one is just a bit more loose. Those somehow fit just barely.

[@chrismettler136]

I actually enjoy the Vectis very much, and the price is okay, considering the rising material prices and labor shortages. In the last 6 years, I had 2K EUR repairs for my 8KEUR flow profiling machine. Vectis spare parts are cheap and easy to replace. Over the long run, I guess it will be cheaper than machines with more moving parts

[@LanceHedrick]

that's great! good for you! Stoked to hear people happy with their machines. in the end, that's what matters most!

[@Cenot4ph]

If cost is a factor it seems the Flair 58 has this beat by a long mile

[@user-ns4em5sk9b]

You could have explained that this machine is a ‚dripper‘ and what that means in terms of limited temperature control. You could also have investigated temperature stability on consecutive shots and/or longer idle time. Very relevant information about drippers. Other than that, nice and somehow informative video

[@LanceHedrick]

Yes. The temp increases as can be expected without some sort of system in place to mete that.

[@user-ns4em5sk9b]

Not everyone will be aware of that. That‘s why I think this should (could) be said more loudly

[@LanceHedrick]

@@user-ns4em5sk9b that's fair

[@justlovelyaintit]

dipper.

[@user-ns4em5sk9b]

@justlovelyaintit: Right you are. Foreign language hard language

[@justinbouchard]

2:33 Hugo looking sharp!

[@LanceHedrick]

he definitely is!

[@justinbouchard]

maybe the spring can hit 8 bar if it just sits with a blind basket or something? imo this was built to try and capitalize on what appears to be just limitless coffee machine budgets on the consumer market

[@LanceHedrick]

I did it with a blind basket (the portafilter I used has a valve I just closed completely and got it to stop leaking so max is 6)

[@justinbouchard]

ouch @@LanceHedrick

[@justinbouchard]

fair enough, personal preferences and advertised capabilities are kinda different imo @@CaldwellCoffee

[@AstroGhoulWizard]

Stainless welds need to be polished or otherwise cleaned to prevent corrosion

[@grantelliot7694]

Are you going to review the Sanremo You?

[@portakeeper]

I wish more descent lever machines were made and sold, but honestly almost no one buys anymore. Maybe new trend starring.

[@MexicanCa]

looks cool but it doesnt seem to be ready for prime. I will keep using my Eropiccola

[@CH-yp5by]

Your Europiccola is a]manual lever machine not spring lever so you canto compare

[@MexicanCa]

@@CH-yp5by I can compare if I am to decide to buy one

[@wakeawaken430]

It's a very nice machine but at this price point, as we talk for spring machines, i prefer the witch, that's right ... Bezzera Strega And as always for your videos, you dive into the things, i love it ♥️

[@jameschang8174]

my thoughts as well. I wanted this machine initially. now it will cost as much as a Strega in my country. Also I was not quite satisfied with its limit of yields and lower max pressure - there is another review on YT showing just below 7 bar. So I bought a Strega.

[@wakeawaken430]

@@jameschang8174 Yes strega is a much better machine in my opinion It's a HX machine, spring up to 9 bars, so no limitation, pump to preinfusion up to 11 bars if you want, much better steam(for someone who cares), and costs less

[@justlovelyaintit]

​@@wakeawaken430 But not a true lever but a hybrid.

[@wakeawaken430]

@@justlovelyaintit why it's not a true lever? You can NOT use the pump if you want

[@justlovelyaintit]

Of course. Buth that's not what the Strega is all about.If I don't use the sail of a sailboat that doesn't make it a raft.

[@sdufg]

the name of this coffee maker is like from a bad monty python skit.

[@bbb_tong]

I've just got my new DF83 with MP burr today. Just telling :)

[@LanceHedrick]

incredible! Hope you enjoy! That is a beastly combo.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Nice, have you had the 64mm MP burrs to compare with? I'm curious how much difference going from 64 to 83 with a similar geometry would make!

[@bbb_tong]

@@BensCoffeeRants Well, right before I moved to the DF83, I had chance to use a DF64V with MP burr set for 3 weeks. I didn't compare them side by side so I cannot tell you exactly but for my sense they're similar - very low body and a lot of clarity and acidity. I've decided to move to DF83 mainly because of the workflow. The DF83 V2 have the plasma generator which is in my experience works very well. And I can also grind directly to my portafilter so I have less part to clean.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

@@bbb_tong Oh nice. Yeah I have the DF83 v1 and even after I modded the declumper to open it up more, it's still very neat, no plasma generator even needed for mine at least! I'm going to experiment with some cheaper but supposedly good alternative burrs I found.

[@bbb_tong]

@@BensCoffeeRants Then I'm sure you will not disappointed with the DF64 V2 or DF64V with the MP burr. FYI, don't forget to consider waiting for a new Lap sweet espresso burr from SSP. As Lance have mentioned that SSP is in progress to make it for 64mm. And also the dealer company in Thailand which I purchase my DF83 from also mentioned specifically that they are doing for 83mm too.

[@guytzur9120]

what is the brew temperature you found with scace?

[@LanceHedrick]

On the first couple shots of after it's been on a while? Lol

[@guytzur9120]

@@LanceHedrick on regular use as you said ready to go,20 minutes+purge

[@LanceHedrick]

@@guytzur9120 it is the most stable around then. 20-40min mark after turning on.

[@guytzur9120]

yes but what was the temperature?@@LanceHedrick

[@ThePlayahans]

Cremina is the way to go 🙏🏻

[@johnchardine1886]

Steam pre-infusion??? To me that sounds like hot steam - 100°C - hitting the coffee?

[@spyk124]

Can somebody explain to me what the benefit of a spring based lever espresso machine is? Like I totally get manual espresso giving you more control over pressure and flow. I don’t get how a spring, which basically sets the pressure for you automatically is any better than a auto machine. It just seems like more work and less control than an auto espresso machine

[@johnl.7582]

Consistent declining pressure profile.

[@LanceHedrick]

as John says, it is a predictable declination in both pressure and flow, increasing consistency and giving a lovely repeatable profile.

[@spyk124]

@@johnl.7582thanks that makes sense. It’s harder to do that manually so I accept that. Thanks for responding @lance!

[@Featherheads918]

I have a Cremina. Originally got the spring version, but switched to the original - more control.

[@markosgd]

I love Londiniums, but they should come with a set of tools...always something

[@LanceHedrick]

yeah. set of tools is always nice, but then people will complain that it is an extra cost and they wish it wouldn't come with them haha!

[@fcarchat1002C]

This video reminds me of: “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.”

[@LanceHedrick]

Lol

[@dan138zig]

How that even relates to the vid

[@LanceHedrick]

They are trolling me lol

[@dan138zig]

@@LanceHedrick not everyone's ready for a honest review I guess. Keep doing what you're doing!

[@fcarchat1002C]

@@dan138zig Read more about levers. My understanding is that Reiss' technical points are all absolutely accurate, and in many areas lance is simply uninformed and wrong - it's unfortunate for Londinum/Reiss that the response was so emotionally colored. It would have been fair and reasonable for Reiss/Londinum to respond simply with: "We need to change our documentation for inexperienced and ununinformed users."

[@nasonwise2904]

I really respect Lance’s reviews, but I wanted to offer a different perspective from someone who has used this machine daily over the last few months: The bad: my pressure stat as mentioned in this video has been mildly troublesome, but the issues occurs 1/10 times I turn the machine on and Reiss is sending one in the mail. He is always very very responsive. This is really the only negative in my opinion. This machine isn’t built for the kind of person that wants to experiment with different portafilter, baskets, shot sizes, etc, it’s for the person that wants consistent shots that are repeatable and delicious. I transferred my ims basket form my gaggia classic to this machine with no issues and haven’t looked back. The good: coming from a modded gaggia classic, this machine is so much more consistent with far greater steam power and an incredibly attractive workflow. Watching this video stirred up feelings of discontentment, but then I realized that there is absolutely no reason for that. This machine does exactly what it promises in delivering consistent and phenomenal shots with great steaming capabilities. I consistently pull shots while steaming with 0 issues. It makes the gaggia feel like a toy. I had the argos on preorder for a year before looking elsewhere. The pro 800 and Strega are too big for my I considered a Cremina SL, but I’m very glad I saved $2K and have a machine that I think looks more attractive on my bar. Disclaimer: not a coffee pro, but really enjoy this machine.

[@LanceHedrick]

heck yeah! that's fantastic! Yes. It will make the gaggia (unmodded) look like a child's toy haha. you should never watch one of my videos and have remorse on something you enjoy! For me, it's not my preference. I prefer my 1973 Cremina, i'd prefer my Flair 58, Robot, etc, to spending the money for this at what it offers, but that is me, not you! I don't value highly milk steaming. I want espresso to be first and foremost and I am just not loving this one at the price point for what it does... FOR ME. lol So glad you are loving it, friend! Keep on ripping spro and steaming silky milky!

[@sztigirigi]

LaPavoni (cheapest one) with Bluetooth pressure sensor and additional analog sensor will set you back 1300EUR. Much less than this one and 1:2.5 ratio is possible without Fellini.

[@RegrinderAlert]

Not a spring lever tho

[@LanceHedrick]

yes. it is not a spring lever. massive, massive difference there.

[@Cenot4ph]

For that kind of money it should just work and not be fixed after the fact. Ill stick with the flair58

[@BobGeffen]

The water intake? That's NOT the water intake Lance!

[@LanceHedrick]

You are right. That is a editing mishap. As you can see I film camera a then do b roll. Hugo doesn't know insides well and did b roll off the wrong thing. No big deal.

[@LanceHedrick]

But good catch. I had to go through and watch it just now to see what you meant lololol

[@Foolsauce]

Hugo spotted at 8:40

[@wolfganglienbacher]

description says "READ PINNED COMMENT", however, there is no pinned comment 🤔

[@LanceHedrick]

Oops. It was a top comment. Forgot to pin it. Thanks for looking out! Pinned now