Is This The Strongest Wire Straining Knot for Farm Fencing?

[@cameronparker1831]

Called a "cinch knot" where i come from in Tassie. My grandfather and great uncles who worked on Foster family farms would use it on the old heavy plain wire. I remember being taught it as a kid.

[@TonyChancellor-v8t]

Great video Tim , I really appreciate all your content. Now I have another knot to learn. I have always used a Donald knot for tying off when completing a strain and then moved to the speed knot about 10 years ago. Sometimes I use a combination of the two sharp wraps of a speed knot and a Donald knot. This Mansfield knot looks very similar to a Donald knot with the exception of the 11 final wraps. I’d find it very interesting for a strength comparison of each of these knots particularly in a strength percentage compared to the wire breaking strain.

[@FarmLearningTim]

Cheers mate. I thought it was similar to the Donald when I saw the start, then it gets very different. The loop section has a whole extra twist and then the tails get wrapped in a really interestingly different order. I’m thinking of another video, I’ll keep your suggestions in mind for sure

[@deutzmans1]

Looks easier to do than most .Tim would it work to join barbed wire ,seems to me would be easier than trying to feed barbed between the chain and wire multiple times ,you could test it ,we have alot of barbed wire fence in ireland

[@matthewsteel7585]

Hey Tim, have you done a video on pros and cons of types of smooth wire? Cheers

[@FarmLearningTim]

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[@ginojaco]

Good knot, will copy that to my 'phone and try it - will it be cow-resistant...? 🤔Looking forward to the post and rail video. 👍

[@terrysmith7740]

Nice fencing.

[@Scifi949]

How does he work out the heights for all his posts with undulating ground to keep the rails looking good

[@andrewsteele7663]

Great video and even better knot, Cheers

[@jasonlheath]

Wicked knot.... For the post and rail fencing is like to know about treated pine vs other timber, and also best way to connect the rails to the posts

[@brettstasiuk2051]

And The knipex you were using I was the fist fencer to start using them

[@robmunro1310]

Plenty of contact for a hotwire join, nice knot.

[@springtimeplumbing6240]

That is one strong knot!

[@stephenbarrett7064]

I have some old fences with that knot

[@redbackmanagement]

For post and rail fence: Does hardwood rails have a lot of shrinkage that will cause issues and does cypress have less shrinkage to make a better fit? What is the best length of the rail? What equipment is needed to cut out the slots for the rails in the posts?

[@Manu-eq4mv]

Hola,, do you know the Tex knot

[@FarmLearningTim]

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[@MarkW-Aus]

Was hoping to see Tim try tie the know and test that…😂 Great video - another knot to try master . At least I can come back to your videos , even when out in the paddock to refresh memory on the unders and overs 😅.

[@chrismckenzie3551]

Post and rail - would you mill your own timber?

[@Scifi949]

How does he keep the square post square to the fenceline when using a post driver

[@gregmichels9597]

Do you have a table of all the knots that you have tested? Maybe you could show a comparison at the end of these test to failure videos for those of us that can’t remember at % the last knots failed.

[@FarmLearningTim]

Good idea. I’ll do a blog on that

[@martinilett7409]

Hi Tim, challenge for you, I reckon that knot would work with Iowa barb, prove me wrong

[@FarmLearningTim]

Good suggestion!

[@For_What_It-s_Worth]

Greetings from here in these northwestern United States. This is the first I ran across this account, so if this is already known, apologies, but it doesn’t sound like it is, so here goes. I used this splice which my brother-in-law showed me when I was putting in 8000’ / 2 400 m of 4 strand barb wire fence for him. Twisted pair splice: Iowa barb (here in the west U.S. just ‘barb wire’) or plain 1) Untwist pairs ~6 - 8”/ 15 - 20 cm. Slide/twist any barbs off strands, using pliers to slightly unwrap barbs to loosen for easy sliding if needed. I used two fencing pliers to do these splices, so a longer set of tails may be needed to wrap by hand if using the bent-end ‘cranks’. Adapt to your preferences, tools, and hand strength. With the second fencing pliers you can chomp,chomp,chomp… your way around the tight wraps, wrapping each dead end down tight to the very end of its stub. Pretrim before final lay down. No need of a length for your fingers to get hold of for grip and leverage. 2) Leaving ~1”/3 cm clear of barbs beyond forks, push fork ends together. 3) Clamp the four-wire bundle together just to one side of the center, preferably with top jaws of fencing pliers which are grooved to fit. 4) Bend one end out 90°. 5) Wrap (twitch, as you say) the bent end 2 - 4 turns tightly around the two tension strands and remaining dead end, away from pliers in same spiral direction as pairs are twisted. Lay dead end along between the tension strand pair, under wrapping end, for neatness. 6) Bend remaining dead end, coming out from under wrap, 90° and wrap it 2 - 4 turns on. [ Maybe wrap around opposite direction? Whatever looks good to you; not critical to strength.] 7) Trim ends at a sharp angle and leave stubs to act as barbs if desired, or bend straight cut stubs around flush to the wraps with pliers (chomp,chomp,…) for a clean, smooth splice. 8) Move pliers to clamp on wrap next to the center, and bend the one of the opposite pair of dead ends which comes out from under the first 90° you made, also out 90°. This one should be nestled into the bend in the first wire, like a couple of kids hooking pinky fingers. 9) Now wrap 2 - 4 turns away from pliers, again in the same direction as the pairs, over the three strands. 10) Bend last dead end out 90° 11) Wrap 2 - 4 turns on down the pair, in same/opposite sense as you did on other side. 12) Trim as before. This should be at least as strong as the Mansfield knot, I.e. greater than 80% of original. Curious about how it will test. And it’s pretty! A tip of the hat to @martinilett7409, whose challenge to Tim in these comments inspired this post, which I chose to put here in the main comments for visibility, rather than as a Reply to him(?). I hope my word-picture is good enough that, with wire in hand, you can figure it out. I think which strand you bend in 8), and the direction, is the important point. When you make this, you should see the kinship to the Mansfield knot’s bends and wraps. P.S. What you call a ‘strainer’, or to ‘strain’ a fence, is to us a fence stretcher/stretching fence. An exact equivalent usage, so it takes no stretch of the imagination to substitute the words, but a ‘strainer’ to me is a wire mesh or perforated metal sieve. P.P.S. Search the ‘Western Union splice’, a single strand wire join. It might be suitable for some fencing uses. I haven’t used it to speak of.

[@glennfeige2909]

Nice

[@haydenkemp8092]

I would like to see how the knot goes on high tensile wire

[@FarmLearningTim]

It went to 500Kg at Henty on Murray 2.5mmHT which has a stated break strain of 540Kg but usually reaches 560

[@tomking3114]

Donaldson strainer knot . Been around as long as the Donaldson strainers

[@FarmLearningTim]

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[@TonyChancellor-v8t]

I thought the main part of knot looked like Donald knot too but I think the way it’s tied is slight different.

[@tomking3114]

@@TonyChancellor-v8t yeah that’s the original my old man taught me as a lad when fencing, he called it the Donaldson strainer knot and we had a and still have a set. Waratah is leading now lol. I may be wrong and that’s ok but it’s the exact knot that’s been on fences around my neck of the woods for many many years. I will try get a photo when out and about this week.

[@bradstar4077]

Nice knot but how do you restrain the fence .

[@FarmLearningTim]

??? This knot is tied as you strain a fence. Do you mean how do you restrain a fence? I’m confused by the question

[@bradstar4077]

@FarmLearningTim All fences need to be restrained if the wire stretches

[@philfehring9611]

@@bradstar4077 What has that got to do with the knot?

[@bpatto]

So as I understand the knot, the loop does not have any strengthening properties and essentially the strain is maintained in a straight line. I like.

[@denishickey6638]

Can you repeat that knot yourself Tim without the spaghetti tube at some stage thanks, great vlog.

[@FarmLearningTim]

It’s repeated without in the video but yes, I’m likely to be using this a fair bit in future

[@teewizz6089]

Why? I think the spaghetti is great. Either or, still a great video, what was it like before the internet thanks everybody who wants to help others

[@denishickey6638]

That's great, thanks Tim

[@Chuck-Guyitt]

Must be using black wire when you can wrap it with your hand. Try using No.9 wire and wrap it with your hands only.

[@pdloder]

You really should show a close-up of the note as you're breaking it, so we can see if there's unravelling before the break.

[@FarmLearningTim]

It wasn’t mate. And I showed where it broke

[@tonycortese2165]

Nyce

[@Steve-r1r]

...about the time I learn all your knots they get changed...🫤

[@FarmLearningTim]

Hahaha. The old ones are still the same….