Is this the world's most powerful guitar pickup? The Waffler pickup!

[@mallninja9805]

The thumbnail generated casual interest, but then you added waffles and beans. You have my attention...

[@mrq6270]

My attention and my sympathy

[@Aeterna_Soul]

I've never been so traumatized.

[@CarsInDimension]

As has been pointed out, it's only where the strings pass over the coil where current is generated so all the copper at the sides is doing little more than creating additional resistance without any additional current, lowering the signal. The extra magnets might strengthen the signal as the more magnetized the string is, the more current will be generated, but things work best when the string is magnetized closely to where the coils are, so I don't think all those extra magnets are doing much. To get the effect that you want, I think you need to have windings around each row of magnets - which you can duplicate by stacking a number of conventional single coil pickups next to each other, essentially a humbucker on steroids. I don't know if anyone's ever tried a four six or eight coil humbucker.

[@thejakefromstatefarm6768]

Blah blah blah blah blah and then the blah blah blah which crosses over the blah canceling out the blah blah blah so essentially you’re really not getting anymore blah than the blah.

[@michaelmccoy1794]

@@thejakefromstatefarm6768 dude have you suffered a head injury 🧠 ? WTF is wrong with you?

[@lgmx-peacekeeper3204]

By the looks of it, I thought it was going to be a hex coil type of thing with 6 single Strat or Jaguar coil bobbins going length wise, that would have made sense. You are right though, all those magnets in the middle aren't really doing anything, all the work is being done by the magnets on the parameter of the coil. This sort of multi row magnet arrangement is similar to the original Fender Marauder design with the pickups sitting beneath the pickguard, the extra magnets were supposed to compensate for the greater distance between the strings and the pickup which worked better in theory than in practice. I've seen some modern attempts replicate the design but alnico 8 or ceramic was not strong enough so they ended up using neo magnets.

[@willd5105]

@@thejakefromstatefarm6768 What the hell is your problem? Everything he said is true. Unless you are a pickup builder with some sort of technical disagreement with what he said, you can screw off.

[@vedro_hightunplayer9673]

Nah, rows a boring, world needs coil around every pin

[@Pipizzakitchen]

I made a two string bass the other day and ran a gold foil humbucker sideways at the bridge and it sounds a lot like this. Crazy output.

[@darthandeddeu]

I'm thinking of doing this to cover Morphine....now I know I gotta

[@geraldfriend256]

Sideways is win- bigger magnetic window ….fatter sound without higher output pickups

[@cheapskate8656]

Since the string needs to pass over the coil, which it only does at the front and back, it seems like its 2 single coils. 1 at the front and 1 at the back. Magnetic force reduces quickly with distance so maybe the 2nd row had an effect but the other magnets were possible not doing anything. Would be very interesting to see if it would work if every row was wound (11 single coils). Even better would be a knob that allowed you to switch between each of the 11 as they would all have a different tone due to their position on the scale.

[@deancoyle]

That might be a really pain to wind, though I will have a think about it and see if there is a way to get it work. Johnny Marr had a guitar similar to this idea. www.guitarworld.com/news/johnny-marr-fender-spirit-strat

[@cheapskate8656]

@@deancoyle Of course it would be a pain to wind. Hence nobody does it. You could test yours though. Sound test your pick up as is Then test it again with all magnets removed except for the front and back column. It should sound pretty much the same. RE J Marr: Right, so, in Johnny's design each pickup will have a different sound because it is positioned on a different part of the scale

[@Eddyvnhln5150]

Wiring for that would be insane you’d need a breadboard with 10 diodes and a capacitor with maybe few hundred microfarads to not limit resistance of the poten

[@cheapskate8656]

@@Eddyvnhln5150 I'm not sure about that. There are guitars with 4 or more pick ups that dont seem to have that issue.

[@xtian1]

I like it! Sounds cool, especially in the most driven setting. Seems there'd be a good application for this in a grungy/garage-y setting. Lots of warmth but the highs have a good "ping" to them without the annoying sizzle strats can sometimes have in high-gain situations. Do a demo video with someone who uses a pick!

[@deancoyle]

I will arrange this! I agree I was surprised by the sound, a lot more useable than I expected!

[@davidledford3522]

I have a single four coil Hot rail on my strat it's a cheap amazon pickup and it's awesome 😂

[@davidledford3522]

I've always wanted to make one with a coil under each string

[@vitrih0lic]

Holy moly the driven tone sounds so good!!!

[@deancoyle]

Thank you!

[@yikelu]

It's way brighter than I thought it would be. Essentially with humbuckers and the like, more output, more area coverage, etc all make for less high end. So when you tried to max both parameters, I figured it'd be very dark indeed.

[@ElectricCardinal]

Screw-in (out) pole pieces would be cool. One could create different “pickups” within the Waffler grid by adjusting the height of individual magnets or removing some of them completely. Also putting 2 Wafflers back-to-back with the coils reversed might be interesting (if you could get them together...).

[@deancoyle]

I feel we are on a similar wave length! Soooo many options so little time! I will post the results of some of these ideas soon!

[@Chaddilaculus]

Unfortunately, the magnets on the inside of the pickup which the copper wire doesn’t touch will have no effect on the sound of the pickup. Very cool idea, and I was curious enough to click, but as pointed out in several other replies it’s the copper wire being wrapped around the magnets that created the inductance (the sensitivity to the vibrating strings) so the magnets in the centre are just for decoration. Using larger or stronger magnets in a standard humbucker format would yield more drastic results.

[@takashi.iwasaki]

Laughed so much throughout the video. Thanks! The benefits of all the work and cost involved are debatable, but it seems functional. The bonus for me was learning that there was this thing called waffles and beans in existence out in this world. An instant subscription.

[@larryjeffryes6168]

Six bobbins! Same pole configuration, but separate coil for each string!

[@deancoyle]

I like it! Tone and Volume controls for each string?

[@famitory]

that much winding is going to have a really high resistance and inductance, eating a lot of high frequencies. underwinding this might actually be a good idea so as not to get a "muddy" sounding pickup

[@deancoyle]

Interesting points, I keep meaning to research if the size of the coils of an inductor reduces inductance as the coils get bigger? But yes, resistance is going to approx double for same number of turns to a single coil. I may try a few versions of different number of turns, there is so much to experiment with.

[@hkguitar1984]

@@deancoyle famitory is correct, maybe you can offset the undesirable characteristics of a large coil by changing the wire diameter!

[@nmnmnm9509]

@@deancoyle that pick up can be more useful for bass guitar. I believe with more resistance (because of longer wire) you will have more mid and bass, it looks like Musicman or Gibson eb bass. you must try ceramic magnet.

[@voodoocustompickups2547]

Use 44awg wire to balance that out

[@bouzoukiman5000]

Great! Make it big enough to replace all 3 pickups but incorporate the switch to allow variations of magnets. 3 separate sections (like the original single coils), 5 sections, or more.

[@deancoyle]

That's the plan!

[@bouzoukiman5000]

@@deancoyle great! Can't wait to hear it

[@voodoocustompickups2547]

You would have to have sections of individually wound bobbins to achieve that

[@brians1793]

Imagine if you could have an app and select each individual pole piece you want, you could draw patterns in it or words.

[@JoeMama-ob4cr]

I would like to see one of these with a bunch of tiny coils for each individual pole.

[@Dm3qXY]

as we all expected...

[@garyhundsrucker7771]

How about making gloves with pickups in each finger that are wrapped in copper windings. This dude could probably make that work! No need for routing pickup cavities at all!

[@radishdalek]

I like the clean sound

[@deancoyle]

I do, it surprised me!

[@WIKKRMUSIC]

yall i think schecter saw this video

[@noobynoob138]

That's amazing. When i get my engineering degree, i'm so making a full titanium baritone 8 string with a waffle pickup like that.

[@deancoyle]

Creating one of them will ensure you get top marks!

[@billyvitale8994]

Unfortunately in order to understand any difference in standard pickups you need to do a compare...all that we can tell from this is that it works and sounds good...great job overall..can you do a video swapping out a standard pickguard plate with pickups con of a brand name and compare ?

[@owenmayes2128]

The first clean tones sounded very pleasingly acoustic to me, very nice. The other tones not so much.

[@weareallbeingwatched4602]

Sounds good and meaty. Why not make just one big sound hole sized coil with one pole piece.

[@deancoyle]

I like it!

[@culcharmediaproductions3201]

The effect of this pickup reminds me of the effects of a tube mic. It’s like a more 3D sound to it. May just be confirmation bias idk.

[@mojorocketman]

The way it's wound, it only favors the high E and low E strings, because there's no wires wrapped around the inside magnets which basically makes the A D G B strings sound similar to a normal single coil neck and mid together.

[@hildolfrdraugadrottin7279]

It sounds way better than I thought it would. Cool experimental pickup! Try using some of the super poweful magnets and see what happens.😊

[@deancoyle]

That was my thoughts!

[@justklampfing1140]

I'm more of a Bridge-Pickup player. I'm sure this kind of pickup would be a perfect choice for a "slidable pickup" which can be moved freely between neck and bridge position. Doing so repeatedly would give you a wah/flange-ish effect without any effect pedals.

[@deancoyle]

That is a genius idea!

[@geraldfriend256]

I saw Sleepy Time Gorilla Museum play a sliding pickup on a huge homemade diddly bow. Good for finding harmonic modes, especially on super long strings

[@Hyder61112]

This pickup has a unique natural reverb

[@deancoyle]

It does, maybe that why it reminds me of an acoustic guitar!

[@Hyder61112]

​@@deancoyle Great Work Dude, Best Wishes 🙏🌹

[@rjpike75]

I really like this outside the box thinking sir. You just might be onto something here.

[@deancoyle]

Cheers Rob, I do like the sound it makes.

[@lynoj777]

Sounds actually great!!!

[@Frankinsteinguitar]

I'd use neodymium magnets and more winds. Place the pickup under a blank pick guard for a stealth effect.

[@w1zard0f0h]

You should make one that fills the whole space. Then instead of the pickup selector switch have a dial that will go from the bridge to the fretboard. And make a switch to activate the whole thing at once. Could be the future of guitars.

[@RyoCanCan]

It's a cool design, I'd like to see more done in this kinda form factor.

[@tringenbach]

I would like to see more about how you built the pick up winder! I see kits available, but they're all so expensive.

[@deancoyle]

I will make a video on it and share the parts/code/pick list. If you have access to a 3d printer it should be budget friendly and super controlled.

[@JoeKyser]

I have 3 I didnt pay more than 200 bucks for. They are so simple its not funny.

[@jaime.27.CBR.]

There are some 4 humbuckers (2 single size HBs toguether, with hot rails) on aliexpress and they sound amazing in high gain.

[@AkirieJ]

Their called quadrails and they were originally made for kramer guitars! And fuck yeah they sound dope as hell

[@RulgertGhostalker]

Answer to your question at 2:30, i think it will sound like a giant single coil, like a P-90 on steroids, ( but i also think it will be horribly noisy, and pick up radio stations )

[@deancoyle]

I didnt think about radio stations .... that is always an achievement when you pickup random braodcasts! Maybe the next one!

[@jayartz8562]

"Modifications will be reversible", gets the chisel out. I approve.

[@tringenbach]

So, the wire coil itself. The left and right aren't over any strings. So only the top and bottom parts matter. As I understand it, the magnets purpose it to magnetize the strings. The the strings, now magnets, vibrate over the coil and induce current. So I wonder if the inside magnets actually contribute anything or not. If you only use the top and bottom row of magnets, how does it sound?

[@deancoyle]

My logic was that the magnets are all fighting each other and this creates the effect of one large magnet. Though you do raise a good point, what would it sound like - I have not idea. I will think I will give it a go. Thank you for the idea!

[@tringenbach]

You might be right. And besides that, there are probably other subtle effects that I'm not even aware of. My theory is that the magnet's effect is local, just a bit more than the string section over it. So if that is correct, or mostly correct, then it should sound about the same with just the outer magnets. But, maybe the inner magnets have a bigger effect and do make a difference. So that has me thinking of making the coil more complicated, to work into the middle. No idea how to wind it though.

[@tringenbach]

Here's a crazy idea. I was trying to think of a way to make use of the part of the coil not over the strings. I guess all pickups have that part, but you've made it a lot larger. Do you remember the spinning title belt John Cena used to have? What if the entire pickup could spin a circle, either manually or driven by a motor?

[@johnbutera5805]

Welllllll... are you going to make any more???

[@Lordbaccus]

I think the COIL ONLY on the outside of the bobbin is limiting the Field

[@StevDoesBigJumps]

Wait, did you only wind the outside? How would you get to the magnets in the middle then? I think you'd have more luck by stacking normal pickups, perhaps rotated 90 degrees. Another design could be by using stronger magnets on the top and using the very centre of the pickup as the post to wind around, perhaps using a slightly thicker wire to avoid a completely ludicrous impedance.

[@darylSKYTZOwillis]

I would locate it starting from the bridge pickup position. Clean sounded great but heavy was too mutteled, possibly because how far the strings can vibrate over such a long distance. The bridge is usually sharper and more crisp and that’s why heavy distortion sounds better through the bridge pickups.

[@SBkid112]

I’d say that it’s likely only the outer magnets are picking up a strong signal as they’re close to the coil wire, I imagine the ones in the middle don’t do much to add to the sound? I’d say that breaking the pickup into a bunch of stacked singles or have one vertical coil per string would be a stronger design (also then you could split the coils and do all kinds of wacky combos)

[@jakubrogacz6829]

they do something, it's falling of squared with distance though, now if that was single slab, it's probably be a lot more

[@magnificenthonky]

I was thinking along the same lines. But, I'm not an electrical engineer, so I couldn't really speak to it, with an appropriate level of intelligence.

[@petetavera3782]

Id like to hear the pickup strummed with a pick and maybe some leads thrown in to hear some different dynamics. Fingers have a distinctive other feel than a pick but cheers! Pretty fun design!

[@ALIONBASS]

What about the strong magnetic pull that affects the string vibration?

[@donaldstanley8500]

One design flaw. I suspect that the volume between strings would vary greatly because the windings are on the outside. So the high and low E magnets are closer to the windings but on average the magnets for the D and G strings are much further from the windings. Also I noticed during the clean demo, high and low E were not played.

[@deancoyle]

That was a concern I had when making it, though this is not the case. The strings are equal in volume. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH_QkoF8bbd8p6s

[@seanoh7677]

If you 3d printed the bobbin as part of the picguard and extended all the way to the bottom it would be ideal visually

[@deancoyle]

Genius, that would look soo cool, i guess adjustment would be hard - but that is a price worth paying for style! That is going to be fun to wind haha

[@Fahnder99]

I think there's a reason for the old bridge pickup still being there.

[@deancoyle]

The bridge pickup was to do a comparison, I will record this and post this soon. There is quite a difference between the two.

[@Blackgrass1]

First time I heard a PU being related to soap, fries and waffles.

[@deancoyle]

It wont be the last....

[@Augrills]

I think it sounds pretty good

[@deancoyle]

Thank you!

[@rjkmusicmedia]

I'm surprised the strings aren't visibly bending in towards the magnets! So much drag and pull

[@WildWildWeasel]

Try with bar pole pieces like the ones in the DiMarzio X2N, if you can find yourself enough of those?

[@Impractical_Engineer]

Would have liked to see switching from the bridge pickup to the monster pickup to validate the difference in my mind would be.

[@deancoyle]

Hey, there is a comparison in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH_QkoF8bbd8p6s

[@thebuck1152]

I think splitting the bobbin and having it be a huge humbucker would increase output....

[@ChrisHopkinsBass]

I’ve got one of those red knobs somewhere….I think they were a free gift one month in Total Guitar

[@eyeball226]

Unsurprisingly it has a somewhat jazzmastery sound!

[@edwindude9893]

It sounds great I wonder if it could be hidden behind the pick guard ?

[@deancoyle]

I think that could be done....

[@maakatipa4613]

What's the difference between the waffler and the bridge sound. Would have been good to have a comparison in the video.

[@deancoyle]

Hi Maaka I compare the two in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH_QkoF8bbd8p6s

[@usmcchrisg]

knob went to 11

[@deancoyle]

Good spot!

[@michaelgawne4363]

Honestly…. It sounds nice clean. Very vintage sounding

[@deancoyle]

I think so too!

[@user-dz8wc9sr5i]

I thought it would sound like an awful overwound pickup but honestly it was a pretty good pickup. Punchy to say the least.

[@Napalmdog]

I don't know what you're playing it through and I need some sort of A-B comparison, like flip between your waffle and the single-coil at the bridge. Initially it sounds similar to just a three-coil strat.

[@kostastournavitis7975]

Very nice experiment and thank you for doing this and showing it to us!. In my opinion there is a problem with this configuration. A lot of magnets, as you show it, push your strings very much down. So the magnets do now allow the string to vibrate as it should and also for much less time. So this may maybe improve the strength of the signal on the beginning, but the string are not gonna vibrate too long and you will loose on sustain. Another and the most importand thing, and i guess that is the reason why such pickups are never made, is that they access a big length of the string. So the string motion is getting destorted. Sorry for my bad english, but i hope you got what i mean. Anyway it is a good experiment :-)

[@deancoyle]

I think you have some good points! Thank you. Also your English is better than mine....and I am English.

[@IkeReedy]

I think you mean maple syrup and waffles

[@ab8817]

3:46 sound demo

[@ymelfilm]

U made a P360 pup, nice successor of the P90. Lol

[@jmacc9876]

Sounds nice for clean tones

[@ALLORD-YGO]

I would love to see a guitar with 2 half sized versions of these. The mini waffler lol, bet it would be amazing.

[@DreadnoughtMetal2006]

It sounds like an Alnico 5 P-90. It doesn't sound bad at all but, I think you'll get the same sound from a Seymour Duncan Stag Mag.

[@PEHUEN004]

(1 year later) I want to know if the magnets pull down the stings so it restrains a little of sustain. And I want you to install 11 (eleven) tele neck pickups in series to see if the results are the same. Nice sound on this one anyway

[@geraldfriend256]

These go to eleven(11)-- Nigel Tufnel

[@dienamx6696]

ngl sounds really nice actually

[@deancoyle]

Thank you

[@saymyname3097]

It's nice to explore and experiment. I think that you have made the signal to the amplifier a bit stronger more volume. I don't think the magnetic pull on the strings can be useful.

[@TheBaconWizard]

I think you would have almost the same result if you had kept the overall shape but completely omitted the pole pieces between the ones nearest the neck and the ones nearest the bridge. Or possibly 2 rows at those locations. It does sound better than I thought it would, I was expecting mud.

[@zonadogt]

Id like more if was on the bridge position

[@sashabagdasarow497]

It is even Single Coil?? That's crazy :D

[@666pinkster]

Hey brother, my big question is, the easiest way to be able to tell what it sounds like is playing single notes higher up the neck, particularly on the EAD strings. Do you get beats or double tones where it soundd out of tune? Chords can sound great, but too much magnetic field can as you saw pull on the strings.. but coupled with the wider sensor zone, curious if there are double tones that make single notes " beat ".

[@jamesruch4355]

The 11 on your volume knob! 😂😂😂 The more I learn about pickups the more I realize that pickup positioning plays a bigger role than anything else! ☮️

[@deancoyle]

That is a good point. Positioning is ikey 🗝️

[@rams6702]

oooh that idea but for bass dude kinda like thundercat's triple humbuckers

[@BlueRoseShilloh]

Thundercat only has 2 humbuckers in his bass, the thing in the middle is a thumb rest

[@coffmedicine]

i am in the middle of trying to get individually wrapped/switched poles working...can't get enough inductance even wrapping them 9ktimes :/

[@deancoyle]

I like it. What inductance are you aiming for?

[@davidrees1840]

I want mine with 4-conductor wiring, adjustable polepieces, and vintage nickel cover. Please hurry.

[@steviebel]

I’d like to hear it closer to the bridge

[@deancoyle]

I will create a follow up video in the bridge position.

[@steviebel]

@@deancoyle great Thanks. I can’t wait to hear it

[@simonlinser8286]

i feel like this doesn't make sense because there's only so much energy the moving strings mass can impart and the additional magnets serve to slow down the string more, which would require more strumming and that happens anyways the harder and more often you strike the string the louder it is. i think you might get more out of it by building a double humbucker with the most ridiculous high end materials, like special magnets and wire and special metal for the string would probably generate more current. kind of like a motor or generator, the high end ones use the best magnets wires and core materials. but i still like your pickup and it sounds great.

[@shabangschmagoigal2091]

Sounds great.

[@ogmrbiotech]

Does the amount of magnetic pull on the strings impact sustain? I’m very curious to hear sustained notes and solos vs. just strummed parts.

[@GaveMeGrace1]

Cool work-thank you

[@popeman4371]

more copper turns and better magnet polls maybe great idea

[@_MetaL]

bigger pole pieces i feel would be best

[@deanevangelista6359]

Cool! Now make an entire neck into a pickup!

[@Stilton_Steak]

I would guess you will be losing sustain due to the extra magnets acting on the metal strings. It's hard to tell from just watching the video. How did it feel to play? Do you like it?

[@deancoyle]

I do like it.

[@yowild9629]

individual string pickup could be a cool idea like humbucker but morebucker where you could like this wafle pickup rase or lover the individual pece for the desired tone and the benefit to master each string would come handy ?

[@courier11sec]

Won't the whole interior of the pickup just be there for show?

[@alexjohansson9508]

Where is the djent?!

[@JohnRyan-zh2bg]

Great! Where can I get one? I”d rather replace the bridge & middle pickups with it tho. Or perhaps you could make a full size that replaces all three! Oh, black bobbins please, those would go with any color guitar better, imo. Fantastic, like this a lot, Thank You

[@Daclaem]

sounds interesting and looks cool .

[@deancoyle]

Thank you :-)

[@krekcabnow2910]

You should do some diagonal pick ups. X shaped maybe

[@AkirieJ]

Two combined V2 Gibson pickups 💀💀💀

[@AkirieJ]

Sure that’s a big single coil, but why not make a big humbucker- You should put three quadrails together XDD

[@deancoyle]

I like your thinking, I will put something together...

[@SlowerIsFaster139]

Hard to tell on KZbin, were the e strings much louder than the rest of the strings? Their pole pieces had much more copper around them

[@deancoyle]

The strings sound evenly. I think its more to do with magnetic field that coil position. As the magnetics are all fighting each other (it takes some force to assemble this) a small change in magnet field on one side, moves the whole magnetic field. I am working on a video showing this. I will post this soon.

[@SlowerIsFaster139]

@@deancoyle one more question that you can talk about in your video, how does that many pole pieces effect the phase if at all?

[@paranormaltheorist]

Muddy. More is not always more. Players from Les Paul to Yngwie Malmsteen have used low impedance pickups as a way of better sculpting their tone. A lot of players also prefer the clarity and frequency response that you get from the narrow magnetic field of single coils.

[@666pinkster]

Beyond a certain point though, power becomes a problem. Too much magnetic full full just destroy sustained create double tones and cause issues. But I like the way your mind works😊

[@AndrewAHayes]

Would a bobbin printed with carbon fibre PLA cause issues with a pickup?

[@scottmatthews172]

Too many magnets pulling the strings down can create problems. How much lower did you have to set that pickup than the standard single coil pickups?

[@VanHalenIsolated]

It’d be fun to see it in the bridge position and with the modification that @CarsInDepth suggested. I was thinking the same thing regarding windings around each column/row (depending on placement).

[@deancoyle]

I do need to try that configuration, watch this space... Thank you Eric!

[@teknical100]

Thats great but installing all those coil tap switches will turn in into a hedgehog.

[@Thekingiswatching1]

You should try making a giant humbucker

[@timothycormier3494]

Very cool idea!!

[@deancoyle]

Cheers Timothy