Is Thor: Love and Thunder Really THAT BAD? | Video Essay

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Thor Love and Thunder...arguably the most DIVISIVE film we've seen from Phase 4 of the MCU thus far. Some claim Thor: Love and Thunder is the WORST MCU Movie ever and the WORST Thor Movie of all time. Others find Thor 4 to be the BEST Thor Movie, but I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle. While I do believe Thor Love and Thunder is better than Thor Ragnarok - balancing emotions and comedy much better than Thor 3 - and I do believe the new Thor movie has some of the BEST Thor moments and some of the most emotional ones, it does fall victim to the carefree and sometimes careLESS approach of Taika Waititi. Whether is those stupid screaming goats, Marvel's CGI problem, or an overreliance of improv from his actors, it's clear Taika Waititi is less concerned with HOW good his latest Thor adventure is and more so with how much fun did he have on set messing around with his buddies. Sometimes, you have to care about the film that you're making, sometimes it's important to give a d***. It's frustrating too because there are so many sincere, heartfelt, emotional moments that will make you shed a tear and that feels like the Taika Waititi we know from films like Boy or Jojo Rabbit, and then there are parts that feel like the worst possible SNL skit. In short, the huge problem with thor love and thunder is the highs are incredible, and the lows grate further and further with each subsequent rewatch. Griffin (@griffschiller) and editor Laurence (@laurenceonYT) give you their Thor: Love and Thunder review and explain The Good and the Bad of Thor Love and Thunder along with Why Thor Love and Thunder is Good and what went wrong with Thor Love and Thunder. Enjoy our Thor Love and Thunder analysis!
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Thor embarks on a journey unlike anything he's ever faced -- a quest for inner peace. However, his retirement gets interrupted by Gorr the God Butcher, a galactic killer who seeks the extinction of the gods. Thor 4 is directed by Taika Waititi and stars Chris Hemsworth, Natalie Portman, Christian Bale, Tessa Thompson, and Russell Crowe.
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[@tsuuts5405]

The writing is wonky honestly kinda goofy, the jokes didn’t land and it felt rushed. It wasn’t terrible though, the visuals are good and Christian bale did a really good job as Gorr. 6.5/10

[@davidgeldner2167]

The problem is that fans demanded “director driven” films without understanding that it was Feige having that control which gave the earlier phases that feeling of unification and made them feel like they worked as one. The crowd demanded something they didn’t really want, and Feige gave it to them instead of giving us what we really want. His films. We want Kevin Feige production. Not Taika Waiti direction. Let directors direct, sure. But don’t rely on them to tell part of an over arching narrative in which they have no stake. Feige is the one with the stake. He’s the common thread. It’s up to fans and Feige to realize that that’s what has made the MCU so consistent. It’s that he didn’t let it get too out of hand. So for example, Feige should’ve said “I’m sorry Taika, but Korg isn’t working right now” instead of “I trust whatever you do, Taika”

[@dksun]

@@tsuuts5405 when you say writing do you mean the story or the dialogue? How much weight do you place on jokes when rating a movie? I wonder

[@tsuuts5405]

@@dksun I mean dialogue and judging by the director, this movies form of entertainment seems reliant on its jokes like Thor ragnarok but unlike that movie the jokes here didn’t land very well. Story wasn’t bad though.

[@dksun]

@@tsuuts5405 so "Jokes didnt work for me - 6.5/10" ooh tough audience. I feel like it's so easy to hate nowadays and everyone's a critic ;）It's a blockbuster movie, hope you had a good time.

[@SamKovaaru]

I'm confused by the comparison between Ragnarok and Love & Thunder in terms of humour. I'd say the issue that I and most of the people I know have with this film is the the quips and jokes were unrelenting, not really easing until the third act. In my opinion, while Ragnarok had a lot of humour, it was weaved into the scene as opposed to being the scene. While in Love and Thunder it felt like we couldn't get any kind of heartfelt moment without a Korg/Valkyrie one-liner or a screaming goat immediately after the scene.

[@thomastalks3841]

what was with the goats!?

[@racool911]

My problem wasn't the amount of jokes at all, I'm fine with that. My problem is that the jokes didn't land as well as other movies.

[@lordtrigon1733]

Ikr I kept thinking "did we see the same two movies?"

[@Summon256]

My problem with it doesn’t even have to do with humour at all! The movie could have been dark and serious for all i care, but it would still suffer from the same problems, that it ended up suffering from anyway! The problem i have with it is pacing and how characters interacted with one another! As far as pacing is concerned it was all over the place…it felt like most scenes are rushed, the most intriguing dialogues were rushed, while the most meaningless were given more screen time priority! The scene with the Zeus in the end had an anti-climactic conclusion, Thor’s Jane’s, Korg’s and Valkyrie’s trip to the festival of Gods felt pointless…all of that effort put into scenes with Zeus talking just to kill him off right away as soon as he finishes?! Yikes…

[@Summon256]

On top of everything else i mentioned, some of the dialogues and jokes were so childish, that i’ve seen jokes from Spongebob feeling more thought out and mature! The whole relationship with the freaking weapon, it’s jealousy and other bullshit was so cringe, that i literally had to fast forward that corny crap….

[@joshlloyd9318]

I'm convinced you reversed the movies. Honestly I think the emotional parts in Ragnarok were so much better. Like the comedy and drama in that movie was way better woven together I think. In love and thunder I honestly thought every part that was supposed to hit emotionally was undercut by a dumb joke.

[@officialmonarchmusic]

I absolutely agree

[@awfulwaffle3688]

Yeah what he said

[@TheBotticelliProject]

Indeed - well put

[@ryanbollinger1759]

I absolutely hard disagree. The emotional scenes had no jokes undercutting them, and Ragnarok although a better movie, was not NEARLY as emotional as Love and Thunder. Love and Thunder made me tear up on the theater twice and Ragnarok never made me feel emotional.

[@awfulwaffle3688]

@@lichoscar totally agree

[@StillCisTho42]

I am ok with this film, my main complain is that there is no cohesion between Thor story and Gorr motivations. Thor spent 5 years sobbing after infinity war without helping the asgardians and then after endgame once he felt better the first thing he did was to leave the planet and go in adventures with the Guardians. HE IS A BAD GOD, at least in these last 5 years and the fact that the movie never questions him about his past actions, especially when Gorr is the main villain is kinda weird... at least for me.

[@pingew]

yeah that was one thing that felt so wrong about the movie. like in omnipotentcity he yells at the crowd that "maybe we have lost our way" but then he doesnt lead any sort of effort for god reform or questions why they should be gods? like what if gorr's wish just stripped the gods' powers then what meaningful difference would that make to people other than the gods? it feels like a waste of a potential plotline

[@goldenrequiem7533]

I haven't watched the movie yet but I struggle to understand why they didn't simply make him king again after endgame it seems more cohesive and understandable as well as line up with the comics. Surely he would have used his grief from seeing all the people who disappeared partly due to him an LD the need to do better especially after just giving up as fat Thor why didn't he becomes king again and go for the throne. It would then make his battle with Gorr seem more interesting as well as develop his character and give him the meaning he's been searching for like that's what all the Thor movies seemed to have been building to at least to me. But he was king for like 30 min he literally didn't do anything or at least none that I saw so why? It just baffles me because it would make more sense as his goal to protect his people and prevent something like thanks from ever happening again.

[@dksun]

You are right there is no cohesion between God and man. There is plenty juxtaposition. Thor/Zeus vs Jane/Gorr. The gods are out of touch, uncaring and invincible. The human with godly powers are loving, flawed and ultimately mortal. Thors connection comes at the end. Three arcs: out of love, finding love, found love.

[@tysonvance]

Thor didn't magically better after Endgame, you don't recover from that type of loss after 1 victory. Love and thunder shows us the next steps in Thors healing journey...

[@kingjay239]

They should have made the movie about Thor realizing that he was a bad god & gorr knowing this tries to kill him because he didn’t help his people & etc. so then Thor after realizing that he’s a bad god he tries to change and show people that he can be a good god therefor he tries to redeem himself by saving the kids and beating Gorr & etc

[@epsilon2822]

I just didn’t like how they made him dumb. To me thor should be one of the characters that should feel powerful and mighty. He doesn’t seem that way when he’s making jokes left and right and acting all silly.

[@louisvictor3473]

He is not dumb, he is goofy. Might look the same, but they're rather different things.

[@louisvictor3473]

@Nicholas Seager Nah, that is just ya being bad at telling the difference, mate.

[@reality3975]

I feel like yall dont remember thor i feel like he has always been this way you remember how goofy he was in the first thor movie.

[@DatPRGuy2017]

@@reality3975 Why do LAT defenders always say this. I've seen the first Thor film and his brash goofy attitude was literally part of his arc. Him having to learn to drop his arrogant brash persona and learn to be humble and then be worthy

[@coreyburns4168]

@@louisvictor3473 yeah I don't get the dumb criticism. If he was dumb he wouldn't know about the shadow dimension and that gorr was taking them there. Or that heimdells son was talking to them as a vision ghost.

[@mortagon1451]

i wouldn't consider the movie to be bad, just a huge missed opportunity to tell a truly epic and emotional story. I think the movie should have been longer with more screentime devoted to Gorr and toning down some of the comedy, although with Taika at the helm, a comedic tone was to be expected which doesn't really jive with the story they were trying to tell.

[@joshlloyd9318]

I thought the other big issue was that Thor is just dumb now? Like in Ragnarok, infinity war, and endgame; yeah he was more funny and light hearted and sometimes used as a joke but when it came to the dramatic moments he was still intelligent and able to push the comedy aside in favor of his serious side. In love in thunder hes just like a bumbling idiot.

[@jreese7436]

You need a really good writer to tell the story of a character that is over 1000 years old. They don't have that so it's just easier to make him stupid.

[@olimpiano8760]

In what scene he acted dumb?

[@joshlloyd9318]

@@olimpiano8760 right off the top of my head. He destroys that alien race's my sacred temple while fighting right at the beginning of the movie. And he doesn't see any flaw in those actions which reverts Thor right back to the dumb arrogant character from the beginning of the first movie. Later on he calls the bifrost while he's inside the new Asgard government building and destroys the roof. Yeah that's a small example but every other movie he takes time to step away from people and buildings before calling the bifrost because he knows it's destructive. Also, Thor knows eternity exists but doesn't go there first when he has storm breaker so he can A. Either wish gorr away or B. Just beat gorr there.

[@olimpiano8760]

@@joshlloyd9318 i mean, in thor Ragnarok there are scenes like that too... its a comedy, you have to let go some silly stuff. Btw thor does know about Eternity, but doesn't know he can get to it by the bifrost! That knowledge is passed from dead guy in the beginning of the movie, to Gorr.

[@joshlloyd9318]

@@olimpiano8760 I totally agree. Like Thor isn't the smartest character but at least in Ragnarok he's quick witted and decisive in battle. In this movie he just seems dumb and just seems to revert back to the first Thor movie where he just uses brute force instead or being knowledgeable about it

[@IamEchelon]

Lost me at “wholly in line with the character” in terms of character progression. Thor has the most tragic character arc through Endgame. You CANNOT just skip over what it took for him to get beyond the grief of what’s transpired and jump straight to bloviating idiot. There’s a more interesting character driven film waiting right there. Bringing Jane back could be the thing that helps him heal by seeing how she deals with the tragedy of losing herself literally from cancer. “Yes these things happen & they’re terrible, but they don’t have to define you” That’s what this movie should be.

[@Moony1989]

My guy you just described what this movie did. We didn't skip over what it took for him to get beyond grief, we saw him pull out of depression in Endgame. But he's still lost and numb at the beginning of this movie and is masking it, he's not an idiot, just masking. Jane IS the thing that helps him heal by forcing him to deal with one of the many past traumas that are plaguing him and forcing him to deal with loss again by framing it with her own coming to terms with impending loss/death, while also helping him work through his issues. By the end he's found purpose again and has come to the very conclusion you quoted.

[@IamEchelon]

@@Moony1989 What movie were you watching?

[@Moony1989]

@@IamEchelon like it or don't that's your choice, I liked it fine but admit it wasn't perfect. But disparage it for it's faults, and at least recognize the story that IS there. I agree with all your points by the way, I just feel they were accomplished.

[@QuantumFishFTW]

@@Moony1989 sounds like he went into the movie with preconceived notions on how the plot should go. No one's fault but his.

[@trevorphilips9065]

​@@QuantumFishFTWPlot was still crap

[@ctmcbride]

Everything negative you said about ragnarok is 10x more true and present in love and thunder

[@Joecbg100]

BINGO. Its so much worse.

[@kiwiangeldust6912]

@@Joecbg100 Not even close

[@Joecbg100]

@@kiwiangeldust6912 No. I've rarely had such an unpleasant, miserable experience like this thing

[@kiwiangeldust6912]

@@Joecbg100 Well I had the opposite experience. I loved this movie

[@Joecbg100]

@@kiwiangeldust6912 k

[@jonasdiaz8615]

Like Multiverse of Madness, Love and Thunder for me is a very flawed but ambitious film. Especially in the emotional department. If they dialed back on taking Thor in the Ragnarok route up to 11, gave more time to flesh out Gorr, Lady Thor, and made the most of the parallels between their arcs, then I would’ve felt much more in the finale, like I felt for Yondu in Vol. 2. If they really took the time to improve this one, I could’ve came out with this as my favourite of the MCU. Also crazy to look back on the Vanity Fair video where Taika points out how bad the VFX are on Korg, given the emerging talks on VFX artists needing more time to iron them out.

[@Golmov_the_Wretched]

I agree; it would be better if it were a different movie 😉

[@nalday2534]

There's NO ambition in this movie. There's no regard for even story in this movie. It's not even a movie. It's just content. Artless, fruitless devoid of any integrity whatsoever

[@jorawesummme609]

This movie is not ambitious

[@buffyharmonix4518]

@@nalday2534 dont tottaly agree but i see ur point, it feels very bland as a film

[@cringekiller348]

@nal day Not true

[@vishnualcyone9170]

No! For me every scene that didn’t have Gor I was just telling myself “wtf is going on right now!?!?” I left the theater feeling like I was dumber! Idk how on Earth you can say you left the theater saying “yeaaa that was amazing!!”

[@BetarayBillLover]

Right this movie was god awful

[@FoxyGuyHere]

I left the movie smiling like a maniac. It was so much fun.

[@Crazyoldman84]

It pleases me to know other normal people exist 👍

[@coolusernameftw7055]

@@BetarayBillLover GOD awful 😂

[@melissalayson7275]

@@Crazyoldman84 I saw with my friend and while we both enjoyed it, we also agree that Thor Ragnerok was better. My friend and I also agree that Marvel movies have been hit or miss after Avengers Endgame.

[@alex_walters]

They should’ve saved Gorr for later and done Beta Ray Bill or something because they really did BUTCHER Gorr’s character even though Christian Bale was good

[@SHNASTTV]

Bale was the worst. I think anyone could have played that part better. A no name first time actor could do that goofy power rangers schtick.

[@reshirman]

@@SHNASTTV I thought Gorr was the only good part of the movie tbh, to each their own

[@dylankaptur4817]

Christian Bale was fine in it, Bale wanted to do all sorts of things to the movie but marvel wouldn't allow it because it was too dark. I thought the whole movie was just ok , maybe I'm just getting tired of the regurgitated MCU style CGI. it was also not that funny.

[@Joecbg100]

You expect them to treat BRB any better than Thor here?

[@mr.iiconic]

@@dylankaptur4817 source? I've never seen anything suggesting Christian had any creative control in the first place.

[@ClubberOntop]

This movie had loads of potential The jokes should’ve stopped for a while once Jane was re introduced If a majority of the jokes were taken out this would’ve highlighted my experience with the movie The ending was really top notch and the first 15 minutes was decent

[@dksun]

Why do people take jokes seriously?

[@ClubberOntop]

@@dksun it disrupts the tension Other then that it’s unnecessary for that many jokes due to the excessive amount

[@dksun]

@@ClubberOntop Yeah for me, I didn't have a problem with the humour and tone. There were only a few comic reliefs during more serious scenes which I chuckled and moved on. Your opinion was jokes should've stopped and I'm curious which serious scenes had jokes that disrupted the viewers emotional journey?

[@MissBabyNe]

One of the best parts is when Jane was in the hospital and Thor asking her to stay and fight to live another day. It was a serious topic and its really relatable. I just wish there was more of these moments in the film.

[@ClubberOntop]

@@dksun The scene with sif

[@BraveBladeProductions]

I wouldn't say the film was bad. It was just another standard MCU Romp, which in this case was slightly underwhelming because of the talent that was involved. It's serviceable, but doesn't really stand out among other entries in the universe.

[@shrisiva4016]

Nah it was bad, plot was all over the place and it was like a bad SNL sketch, the comedy was awful

[@moodoobot9115]

Ya this comment sums it up for me. Not bad but when compared to the greatness of the previous film it is just underwhelming

[@terrajae9629]

That's really all it is another MCU romp ppl are stuck in wanting the feeling that endgame gave them

[@terrajae9629]

@@shrisiva4016 how?

[@jorgefigueroa2231]

If you think this is another standard romp in the MCU then the standards are truly low lmao

[@thetrib1]

What's been happening at an alarming rate recently. "I like the film overall, but I rather spend most of my time saying what I didn't like about it." To where I feel like movies were liked or not liked and that was the feeling of reviews

[@FoxyGuyHere]

People are so nitpicky these days.

[@codyw1]

@@FoxyGuyHere Or maybe most movies are just garbage these days.

[@FoxyGuyHere]

@@codyw1 And you lost me. Garbage is really strong word that only few movies in the whole universe deserve.

[@ikedog1405]

@@FoxyGuyHere* Cough* Jurasic World Dominion *cough”

[@craigime]

@@FoxyGuyHere and which movies deserve it? just the ones you don't like?

[@biffmcspandex7748]

Probably the most disappointed I’ve been walking out of a marvel movie maybe ever (no I didn’t see eternals in a theater). It’s not bad, but parts of it feel incredible and parts of it feel like a cheap parody of a movie. I agree with you that’s the lows are really bad and the highs are fantastic, but overall it’s not great. 6/10 at best

[@LeonardoSilva-nh2gg]

For me was Far from home

[@dksun]

You can't put equal weights on story/feeling parts and the funny parts. They're jokes, move on please

[@shrisiva4016]

@@dksun Why not? If the film has comedic elements, you can't ignore it for criticism

[@dksun]

@@shrisiva4016 I didn't say ignore it did I?

[@Tyler_W]

Yeah, it kinda felt like a spoof of itself.

[@tysonvance]

Thor didn't magically better after Endgame, you don't recover from that type of loss after 1 victory. Love and thunder shows us the next steps in Thors healing journey...

[@MicahDarkFantasy]

Thor: Love and Thunder was solid in a weird way. It’s more corny, cheesy, and definitely even more cartoonish than Ragnarok. I dunno what it is, but this movie pretty much has what we’re getting from Marvel at this point. The writing in this film is full of problems, but at this point in the MCU… it’s obvious. But the movie does have good stylistic directing from Taika Waititi. I really liked the directing in this movie and Waititi does know how to make most shots look like a wallpaper. The movie did have a lot of heart and emotion to it. Despite the flaws, the movie was very artistic. Christian Bale was excellent in this. I actually liked Jane Foster as the Mighty Thor. Overall, Love and Thunder is far from great, but it’s not anything horrible. Personally, I still think Thor: The Dark World is still the worst Thor film and still the worst MCU movie.

[@langreeves6419]

The Dark World is sooooo underrated. It's a good movie that has been chosen to hate on. I've enjoyed it every time I rewatch it.

[@frey8725]

@@langreeves6419 Same here. I think, at this point, people just say they hate it because other people say it and humans are social creatures. Literally, everyone I've talked to about MCU movies agree that Captain Marvel was the worst because they shoe-horned it in at the last second instead of taking the time to write it intelligently into the MCU and Love and Thunder is now the worst because it's like a Thor Parody you'd see on SNL.

[@jeffreystevens3917]

@@frey8725 I wish they would keep the same tone as the iron man and captain america movies and make thor a little darker... this funny shit doesn't really appease me... I don't think anyone really appreciates this many jokes... thor still is massively under powered in my eyes as well

[@Cramerzzzzz]

Remove half the comedy in this movie and allow the more serious moments to shine through would make this movie on the same level as Ragnorak.

[@azmihakam]

I dont know if i watch the same Thor movies like everybody else but this is one of my favorite mcu movies.

[@romank8603]

I really liked this movie,it's honestly on par with the last Thor movie for me. I'm also not in agreement with your blanket statement that the movie it looks bad, without giving some examples of shots or sequences. I thought the movie looked pretty good, and aside from some shots that may not have had enough time on the animation/render side(this happens to pretty much every movie). The vfx did what they where supposed to

[@Player-re9mo]

The main problem was that the director tried to tell 2 long different stories in 1 short movie. Thor vs Gorr should have been it's own movie and the same applies to Jane Foster. Gorr barely appeared on the screen, wasn't developed enough to feel like a real threat. You can replace Gorr with that Elf villain from Thor 2 and the story would have been the same. It wasn't Christian Bale's fault, but that of the script writer. In this movie Gorr is a forgetable villain. Jane Foster deserved a movie of her own. There should have been more focus on her struggle to fight cancer while also trying to protect the world from villains. I think these 2 stories don't mix well together, because you can't fully develope one without taking the center stage from the other. What we got was a half-baked compromise which fails to deliver a memorable villain and it's serious moments are compromised by childish humor. I am not against comedy, I even enjoyed some of the jokes, but they remove any sense of danger from the villain's part and they take from the time which could have been used to improve the plot. I'm tired of this depressed Thor who is constantly dealt bad hands. This guy went through so many emotional crisis by this point (all his family dead, his home destroyed, his friends either died or left him and his ex girlfriend had cancer). Why does Marvel hate Thor so much? Will we ever see a movie where he tackles his issues head on without everything being turned into a joke? Will we see Thor take responsibility and lead his people like the hero his father wanted him to be? Not in the MCU, that's for sure!

[@nalday2534]

@Mordecai and Rigby how about throw thor 5 in the trash

[@archiesutherland6127]

I agree

[@NickCarroll]

I think they could have balanced and better told those stories, but they chose to spend all their time ad-libbing comedy moments into most scenes. I think if they spent their time using source material as a guide for dialogue and exposition, this could have been a better film. But the direction and writing wasn't used effectively for that purpose.

[@travisabbott7043]

The goats are actually a direct reference to Thor's two goats in Norse Mythology - which is why I personally liked them. They weren't completely out of nowhere.

[@FilmSpeak]

The goats themselves were fine…the SCREAMING though? It got old really fast

[@user-nv2wt4hi8t]

@@FilmSpeak I thought they were going to be badass, what he rides into war like in the comics against Apocalypse but nope, they just...scream relentlessly because Taika like that childish joke so much he used it about five times.

[@Tyler_W]

I like that he got his goats from the comics and mythology. What I don't like is that they were used to repeat a 10 year old joke meme without end.

[@jessicahogan7248]

@@FilmSpeak Taika said the screaming bit was a reference to the screaming goat version of Taylor Swift's "I Knew You Were Trouble" where the goats scream through the chorus which was a short lived gag 10 years ago...

[@danielstudart2062]

I just think they should've taken it more serious. They leaned a little too much on the comedy, that it made the film not feel like it mattered. Even though the plot could've be extremely important for the future. All recent Marvel movies have seemed way too compact, like they want to make movies out of stories that should be in series. With stories that could and should be waaay more fleshed out.

[@theprez96]

I am on board with the film's message, and, taken individually, even most of the jokes (apart from the screaming goats). My issue was it was ALL jokes, which undercut the emotional weight. Was I worried about the kids? Of course not, Valkyrie was tickling Thor's nose and then one of them was granted the power of killer bunny. Even the end, when Thor and the kid go into battle - which weapons do they use? The funniest combination, which is a child hefting an axe bigger than she is. The sheer volume of jokes took the film from "funny" (like Ragnarok) to "comedy" , and not necessarily a good one.

[@buffyharmonix4518]

Agreed, it has good themes, but they should have explored it more. A film cant be held up by only underlying themes

[@xero1048]

A lot of the issues people have with love and thunder are actually applicable to ragnarok, and yet people don’t seem to realise and still love ragnarok all the same. From my perspective, love and thunder actually addressed a lot of the issues with ragnarok. I believe people are simply over taika’s style of film making, not necessarily that love and thunder is worse than ragnarok.

[@FilmSpeak]

Dude you and I are on the EXACT same page. I couldn't agree more.

[@jeremymunoz1955]

@@FilmSpeak are you just commenting to those that agree with you?

[@QuantumFishFTW]

People say there's too many jokes... They know they're going to watch a waititi movie right?

[@nikoiscreative]

The humor never ruined the stakes for me, and I love a lot of the chuckles (not all). It was the lack of scenes to establish how intense the stakes were. How big the threat was. The only character whose stakes and risk were felt was Jane's by the end. Like I never felt like Gor was going to wish to crush the universe. Not enough scenes to misdirect or make the possibility seem real. Then again I think this goes back to the overall theme of Love. It's why the movie is like an 8/10 ballpark for me.

[@sammiety]

i'm gonna be honest, i went in with zero expectations, so it was a lot better than i expected lol

[@sunnysied713]

When you set the expectations to zero, then every movie is enjoyable. Lol. I couldn't do that. I have standards. Thor 4 is a mess.

[@theirongiants]

@@sunnysied713 I had expectations but low I was still dissapointed.

[@JahonCross]

@@theirongiants I had low expectations and in the end, I enjoyed it for what it was had action dark themes and plenty of comedy that's what I liked about Thor Ragnarök

[@luigi_border]

To quote Robert Californa “It’s metal for people who don’t like metal, it’s a superhero movie for people who don’t like superhero movies…” Everything is just lazily done and the maybe good story is burried underneath.

[@FilmSpeak]

haha that's honestly kinda true. Such a good quote.

[@joshvilar2582]

I actually loved the movie. I didn't mind it's more of a comedy than the last one as the thing that made the movie for me is that when the movie needed to be serious, it was. Like the ending when Love was resurrected and when Thor chose to spend Jane's last minutes with her. I would totally watch it again and again.

[@jorgefigueroa2231]

They turned Thor into a fucking idiot. He started as a dumb and arrogant God, learned to mature and eventually became badass and collected in Infinity War. Then Taika fucked his character to the point where Thor is dumber and more goofy then he eve was. Thor is a character you laugh at. He is no longer someone you take seriously. This movie was ass.

[@robchamp8556]

heyyy i also loved the movie! Even tho most ppl only care abt the flaws it has.

[@Jibin23]

@@robchamp8556 It has good parts of course, but the bad shadows it which leaves a "meh" to me.

[@thatdude3361]

I liked it too, I don't get why so many people are hating on it

[@captainmarvelwilson508]

It did not like it at all. I can find very few reasons to love this movie. The comedy was mostly bad, especially when it came to the jokes which were there to undermine the emotional beats. The CGI as well is some of the worst I have seen in a Marvel movie and the story is not that great.

[@UndecidedCryptid]

I agree with you, the tonal I consistency of Ragnorak didn’t grab me as much as this film. It felt like what was happening on planet Sakar and Asgard were completely different movies. In love and thunder, I was able to lean into the camp and melodrama and feel good about it. I also think that having gorr play his character so straight and serious worked well in the context, it made tempered the bathos for me.

[@FilmSpeak]

THANK YOU!

[@petrbarton2524]

Funny how I had thought _Ragnarok_ (although I mostly enjoyed it) was an overkill with silliness until seeing this hot mess. I mean, joking around cancer talk? The tone of _Love and Thunder_ could be okay for a pre-release marketing parody, but the actual movie? Because that's what it is - a parody whose forced humour and 80s callbacks are overshadowed by bad writing.

[@tortino56]

I heard Taika had a very loose script that resulted in him shooting 4+ hours of film before cutting it down in editing, and knowing this going into a rewatch made it super obvious

[@FilmSpeak]

Well actually that 4 hour cut was just an assembly cut and it's actually very common for most films of this size to have an assembly cut that is that long.

[@patrickkilduff5272]

I cant trust anyone who thinks Black Widow is 'Top Tier'...you can not be reasoned with

[@dananichols349]

There were too many jokes, and jokes that didn't land, in the beginning of the film. Either cut them out, or make them work. And I am beyond tired of this trope of the villain killing and causing havoc and destruction through out the film, only to get a redemption arc at the very end. One thing they could have done, that would have improved things, was Jane's cancer arc. Instead of handling it because she's a strong woman, if they had shown her having to face her own mortality, and the fight being difficult and fracturing, her finally sacrifice would have had more emotional heft. Instead, we get her saying she could science her way through it. When that didn't work, she Asgarded her way through it. And the only time we see how difficult it might be, is her alone in her apartment when she drops the hammer. Then picks it up again and destroys a sink. Immediately Valkyrie shows up and the two go off to take on Gorr because they're two strong woman.

[@TreySarver]

Thor: Ragnarok - Vince Russo in WWF Thor: Love and Thunder - Vince Russo in WCW

[@richardyocum6053]

Points lost for the mention of Shit Stain. lol

[@NigelThrashner]

Props for speaking what’s true to you and not jumping on the (somewhat deserved) hate wagon. There are genuine criticisms to be made. But if you enjoy a movie, that’s what’s important to stick to and get across

[@jacobchandler7642]

Haven't seen it yet, but I get the sense that Love & Thunder does not balance its tone very well. The original Branagh Thor was a Shakespearean hero's tale where 90% of its characters, world, and ideas are played straight. Ragnarok is a high speed buddy comedy film where 90% of the characters, world, and ideas are delivered tongue-in-cheek. Both of those movies know their tone and fully commit to it. Love & Thunder sounds like it tries to split the difference between the two and ends up falling between the cracks. I also think people are getting tired of Thor's character arc. Marvel didn't know where to take him after his first outing, so his development since has been scattered and uneven. It also seems incredibly cyclical; like they're recycling the same issues over and over again (Thor's immaturity, thinking he's found his purpose, losing his purpose, just kinda hanging out until he gets something to do, etc etc). Which is a shame, because there is a lot there in his character to explore and challenge.

[@masta326]

Taste is subjective, but I definitely don't think this movie looked bad or half-assed (especially when you think about the number of man hours that goes into making a single frame of a movie like this)

[@cinematicgoodness7325]

Definitely while some of the vfx does look a little unpolished, there are several moments where the shots and effects look great. We've definitely seen worse.

[@nerdchat9784]

​I love it, but the movie also have a lot of problem. But I still love what they did with thor and jane in this movie. yeah it complicated...

[@dananichols349]

Just a clue for everyone, in case you were wondering... The goats, it seems, were included as a nod to the Norse mythology Thor is derived from. In that mythology, Thor had two goats that drew his chariot across the sky, and between the nine realms. Now you know.

[@craigime]

already know- they were in the comics

[@wesleyw642]

still not funny

[@geakan9604]

For me personally, if almost this same script was used for a video on Thor Ragnarok, I would agree with most of it. I honestly felt the emotional scenes in Ragnarok hit more while Love and Thunder came close to feeling like a parody of itself.

[@richardyocum6053]

Loved Ragnarök and 90% of most MCU movies until after Endgame. After that I've only enjoyed two spiderman movies and Dr. Strange MOM. Everything else has been blah. Love and Thunder was bad. The movie felt like a string of saturday night live skits. I've never seen a movie about death, tragedy and cancer try SO HARD to be funny.

[@Dfeneck]

I've always said the issue with the Thor movies is they continually make him a joke - and how many times is the guy going to find himself. Sheesh. I'll skip this one.

[@legosmithsigh]

The jokes in this movie were way more intrusive than Ragnorock. In Love and Thunder the whole movie felt like a parody. And the side characters were not used well in this one. And this movie felt like it rushed the Jane storyline.

[@KRcanondaisa]

I honestly adored this movie, and I especially didn't think it fell short visually. It honestly had some of the most interesting and spectacular shots of recent Marvel movies to date imo

[@artistaroundtheblock2047]

Have you watched Eternals, Mom, Shang-chi?

[@jay4you853]

How old are you? I mean, thanks to you people, Marvel knows they can keep making those bad unfinished movies and they'll still sell tickets. I know everyone is entitled to his opinion but a shit burger will never be a gourmet meal no matter what famous chief, says so. But yeah, if you like lazy writting, bad VFX, never-ending terrible jokes and plot holes, yes it's an AMAZING movie!

[@jwarnock291]

I think this film forgot about Thor’s struggle with his identity. After “Ragnarok”, “Infinity War” and “Endgame”, it made sense for Thor to have lost his sense of self. But he also made a “Valkyrie” a king. He thrust all this responsibility on her, when really she just missed being in the field, which is where she found purpose. I hate to say it but Thor should have become king. For real this time. He should have been questioned by Valkyrie on the abandonment of his responsibilities once things became overwhelming for her. He should have been interrogated by Gorr as well. Which should have connected back to his past failures, especially losing his friends and family to Thanos. The film shows how much of an impact Thor has on his people, especially the children. Thor and Gorr didn’t truly have a connection that benefited the story in my book. Gorr and Jane had better parallels than the main hero, which is nice for Jane but a problem for Thor’s character arc as well. Thor stepping up and fully embracing his role as king of Asgard and being the beacon his people needed, especially with him transferring his powers to the kids, which was pretty amazing, should have been the logical end point to this film I feel. Instead he became a “Dad” which was out of left field. I’m fine with “Love” being raised in Asgard but Thor becoming her legit father figure I think wasn’t the best choice. Maybe I missed somethings or I’m wrong but I wish the film did more with this. I also felt “Ragnarok” had a better balance of humor and seriousness. This film felt more silly at times. And Thor’s character being goofier I’m not sure was the best but beyond all that, I still liked the film but I didn’t love it.

[@Jake-qo3mp]

100% and I don't hate to say it. Thor should have become King like he did in the comics. That they robbed him of that and now have ended 2 movies of him just goofing about instead of taking up the mantle (instead giving it to 'King' Valkryie the enslaver) is just unbelievable. He's now stuck in a bizarre character development limbo where they refuse to resolve his arc respectfully and naturally by making him King, they've now regressed him back to the God of Hammers with Mjolnir and now he's...killing random, unnamed CGI bad guys with...Gorr's daughter of all people...who uses stormbreaker? What the fuck were they smoking where this made any logical sense? I'd rather see him killed off than dragged through the mud like this. Give him a respectful, logical arc ending like Steve and Tony or kill him off. Also your option about Valkryie questioning him and him returning to King would have been amazing but they'll never now let up 'King' Valkryie being ruler despite it being a joke.

[@tulip5210]

I thought him becoming a dad was the best build up and end for him. She also refers to him as uncle.

[@Joecbg100]

Thor can be awkward but not a joke. Him riffing in New Asgard was terrible after Gorr snuck in like a boogeyman, him treating his hammers like his girlfriend was borderline parody. I compare it to Flash Gordon 1980 (Taika cited that and Big Trouble in Little China as major inspirations for HIS THOR), where it was in on the joke but the joke of the film was very good, a feel good romp without hampering characters like Flash who did grow into a warrior. Thor never got out of that gear for me as a idiot. That scene in Infinity War explaining his love of battle and all the loss is what Thor IS to me.

[@ianbrooks4516]

Every lesson Thor learned in this movie, he had already learned in one of his 7 previous. The story required Thor to be a fool, and regress every step he'd ever made. Like Ragnarok, this was a very good looking movie who's protagonist looked like, sounded like and had the powers of Thor, but wasnt Thor. It was a buffoon. Taika couldn't even decide if he wanted the Guardians to think Thor was cool or roll their eyes at him. Waititi would be better off directing a cartoon for Thor where the constant flipping between comic buffoonery, romantic clutz, fumbling hero and dire seriousness for a single character is more acceptable.

[@Zack207]

Finally, I understand why this is a top 10 MCU movie for me. I didn't rly understand why I liked it so much, as most of the reviews I've seen have provided very good negative points. But despites the flaws, I can now say for certain that this is a top 10 MCU project for me. Great video as always. One of my first thoughts when I finish watching an MCU movie is "what will FilmSpeak think on this".

[@Zack207]

And I'm happy and surprised you enjoyed the movie as well

[@marko9463]

@@Zack207 Whats your top 10

[@WhatisReal11]

because you have mental issues, and think kidnapping and feasting on "Asgardian" kids is funny.... becuase you have zero respect for Thor and NORSE mythology itself.

[@Zack207]

@@marko9463 some of it may be controversial but here's my top 10 projects: 10. Black Panther 9. Thor: Love and Thunder 8. Captain America: Civil War 7. Thor: Ragnarok 6. Moon Knight 5. Loki 4. Doctor Strange In The Multiverse Of Madness 3. Spider-Man: No Way Home 2. Avengers: Endgame 1. Avengers: Infinity War

[@marko9463]

@@Zack207 I dont mind controversial because here is mine 1.Spider man No way home 2.Avengers infinity war 3.Avengers 4.Captain America the first Avenger 5.Dr Strange 6.Avengers Endgame 7.Captain America Civil War 8.Captain America and the winter soldier 9.Spider man homecoming 10.Guardians if the galaxy

[@AJ-fx3ud]

I feel like you have Ragnarok and Love and Thunder backwards; Ragnarok knew when to stop, not L&T

[@tylermunday2146]

Thor in love and thunder is literally the single child party thor we saw in what if..

[@coreyburns4168]

I had the total inverse reaction. I saw it and was mixed. Saw it again and felt it flowed so much better.

[@Talesfromtheshelf]

It all sounds nice when YOU say it, but it’s all just surface level in the movie itself. You’re giving it much more credit than it deserves. If someone watched this before the movie they’d expect a lot more character development than we actually get, the way you tell it.

[@alexamayeobu9460]

Personally this movie should have been 2 hours and 45 min idk why it was so short they had more jokes than character development and in my Opinion with the asshole personality i have the jokes were top notch except like 2 of the goat screams.

[@emmanuelmondesir1314]

HMMMMM!

[@dksun]

So if you didn't like it other people shouldn't like it? Very self important huh. If you didn't see character development then it didn't exist?? Hmmm

[@Talesfromtheshelf]

@@dksun yes exactly you nailed it

[@brobs0463]

I liked the film. One small thing is I would have liked to see Thor be more serious with the children. Thor just came across as an idiot, and it took me out of it. If you were comforting these terrified kidnapped children you wouldn’t be making quips every two seconds I didn’t mind the presence of them which some people hated. It makes Gorr a kind of boogeyman figure which totally works for the villain and I think that’s what they were going for

[@TheNiggler17]

Everything you said was good about Love and Thunder I would say applies more to Ragnarok and everything you said was bad about Ragnarok, I’d say applies more to love and thunder

[@winterealics3708]

Finally someone who actually gives Love and Thunder the credit it deserves, but don’t discredit Ragnarok. I like both equally, and I like both a lot.

[@banned2911]

Ngl i liked this movie too i know everyone hates it but I actually really liked it i might even prefer it over ragnarok Also the biggest complaint ive seen is that every emotional moment was undercut by a dumb joke but i think that really wasnt that bad tbh like when jane died for example everyone hates that because it was full of jokes but the only “joke” was that jane whispered something in thors ear and they both chuckled which so so so many movies do why is it suddenly a bad thing when it happens in thor??

[@sergeantb708]

I heard a lot of bad things about this movie, and yes there are a ton of jokes that fall absolutely flat. but after watching it, the story does work... especially the ending.

[@OG-512]

I think it was awesome, maybe not as good as Ragnarok but not everything can be as good as that movie. Feels like people are being harsh..

[@loonar7960]

I went into this film saying "how bad could it really be? It's the mcu!" And left it saying "ohhhh..." I will always laugh at screaming goats though. It tickles my funny bone just right.

[@QuantumFishFTW]

I was the complete opposite, I really enjoyed the movie and most of the jokes except the goats. They were the only thing i just found largely irritating. Just guess to show humour is subjective.

[@sudd3660]

where do you find these movies so early, i cant download this movie yet.

[@InTheEnd75]

Got to say your parallel of thor adopting gorr's daughter with odin adopting loki is a really good detail I didn't catch that I appreciate now

[@JP-qq2wy]

I actually love Thor 4 and understand why people don’t like it. I like it the second time more. Actually got emotional when Thor smash the vending machine.

[@psychoticgod5035]

I did enjoy the movie alot. Tho it also made it clear thor shouldn't be looking after any kid for sure. That's my opinion for sure.

[@morganqorishchi8181]

Thor's only personality being comedic relief traits made this not fun for me. I go to superhero movies for heroics, and I never got the feeling Thor cared much about the world around him, which isn't a super heroic trait. Sitting through endless gags felt like a chore, and by the time it stopped being such an onslaught I did not particularly care about or like the title character. Seeing him go from solemn, thoughtful and even kingly at times in Endgame to the court jester here... I'm glad that you felt it was a nature or in-character progression for him but honestly it felt very calculated to me, something done because we all know Waititi can't do anything else with the character rather than because it made any sense for him as a person.

[@marcochen9117]

I just thought that the message of choosing love was super on the nose. It was so in your face (especially how Gorr suddenly is willing to do that thing at the wishing thing at the end)

[@thorodinson1933]

No it’s not bad at all. It over does jokes at a couple moments. Thor is acting so unlike himself because Jane is there. When she’s not around him he’s normal thor, but the moment he sees his hammer and her, he copes with how both of those relationships ended by being jokey and pretending not to take things seriously. When they’re on the boat the two of them, talking their feelings, it’s pretty serious. But especially in the hospital room, no jokes at all. It’s a really sad type of scene where thor is wanting her to live, and Jane just says. “Says the person without cancer” the movie has those elements in it that are done really well. Some jokes were meh or overdone but I really enjoyed the movie

[@minerpvpgaming2160]

Love and thunder has nonstop comedy that feels like a parody of thor during every moment except the first scene with gorr Ragnorok lets the emotional parts be emotional

[@captainkirk4519]

No one seems to understand this film is Marvel's first RomCom which the director stated before it was released. It's a bl**dy comedy brilliant interwoven with action, drama and a huge heart. It's bigger and better than Ragnarok and I loved Ragnarok. It's just the summer film I needed :)

[@emeraldperson4836]

wait 5-10 years and then maybe people can actually like this movie without being thrown down by thousands of people in twitter posts

[@kendrick5501]

the only gripes with Love and Thunder is the comedy, there were moments where the comedy was good and there were moments where comedy was bad. In short, could've been better. But everything else about Love and Thunder is actually really great. Had Love and Thunder handle the comedy better, would've REALLY put it up there with WandaVision, Loki, Shang-Chi, No Way Home, Moon Knight, and Multiverse of Madness as the must sees for Phase 4.

[@RossPlus]

Bro said “incredible emotional beats”

[@basswitch525]

ikrrrr

[@exploshaun]

I'm still of the opinion that both this movie and Ragnarok are either both good or both bad. I find it weird that people like Ragnarok but hate Love and Thunder.

[@sunnysied713]

Love and Thunder had incredibly dumb writing and stupid comedy. Even Taika Waititi publicly stated, in interviews, that the script is cringey. Have you read the high, medium and low scoring reviews? It's a mess.

[@melc8388]

I walked out and had no idea what was the point of the movie..

[@Veryy_Victoriaa]

Love your positive take on this! All the other critics I watch hated it. I didn’t like it the first time but the second time I actually enjoyed it and saw the parallels/inverse between Thor, Jane and Gorr’s arcs

[@kidunderabridge]

That is the problem though. That after a second viewing you noticed the parallels. In my opinion the movie would have been stronger if you cut out all the Omnipotence and focus more on the parallels of Gorr and Jane. Make the movie darker by focusing on Gorr (Omnipotence should have been its own movie)

[@guillermoduncan2060]

@@kidunderabridge well Omnipotence was key to the villain’s motivations to show that many gods, especially those with a lot of power, really dont care about their believers.

[@jamesagradi6820]

Thor Ragnarok was a tremendous film. Thor 4 is like a bad SNL Skit or a Marvel version of Meet The Spartans

[@danielclough7996]

I thought this film would use the silly nature and comedy to create a stark contrast between thor and gorr, and eventually give thor a wake up call after he realises, as a god, he has responsibilities, and gorr would make him realise that he has to confront the sins of the gods, and that this flamboyant "finding himself" adventure is not important, and realise that he has reverted back to the arrogant self centred god. Instead this doesnt happen, and gorr captures kids, for literally no reason, and if anything, goes against his character as he is endangering innocent children, and his whole motivation to kill the gods stem from the fact that they didnt help him and his CHILD. And thor is just turned into a joke. There is literally no emotional weight in this film because you feel no stakes, or emotion due to the movie force feeding the fact that this is just a whimsical comedy, undercutting literally every scene that could've been emotional with joke after joke. And even if there weren't jokes in Jane's death scene for example, the whole relationship and their "arcs" havent been taken seriously or been provided with any sort of emotional depth whatsoever, so what? They expect me to care now that shes dying ? Because the whole movie THEY didnt even care. Idk, it's a huge disappointment and one of the worst films I've ever seen, I cant believe I'm saying that about thor, especially after ragnarok infinity war, and even engages depictions of him do so much justice to the character

[@supremeio5930]

The thing I find interesting is they list all these people that Thor lost but they never mention the Avengers. The Avengers were his friends and Earth "family". Tony died, Black Widow died, Steve is gone, and Hawkeye retired. The only one left is Hulk. Yet this is never mention in his list of people he has lost.

[@Infamous1892]

Thor Ragnarok was a complete joke of a movie. I'm expecting love and thunder to be worst.

[@stienvanhalen]

the comparison you made between this movie and ragnarok, and you saying thor is wholly in charactar, is probably the worst take i have ever heard.

[@ScrollSmyth]

I love your work and the way you frame your thoughts but I gotta hard disagree on this one. This is the first MCU product that I leant over to my other half and asked if she wanted to leave. It all felt done for the lols with no consideration of the on screen themes, character history or our own lived experiences with Thor. Each to their own but your takes here feel waaaaay more than generous.

[@godspeed7192]

Wow, I agree that Thor 4 does reaffirm the “love” between characters (except for Gorr) but saying that Ragnarok was undermined by stupid jokes in emotional scenes? That was literally every scene in Thor 4. I don’t know where you got that from

[@michel-manuel]

Unfortunately id have to disagree with some of your points I think the comedy was wayyyyy overdone and it did acc detract from some of the emotional parts of the movie like Thor giving hope to the children and Valkyrie disturbing him. Just tooo much Also I think the visuals oh this movie are some of the good things about it. I really enjoyed the Visuals. The fight scene at the shadow realm was beautiful imo. And Gorr was criminally underused. Even Thor had more kills shown to us than Gorr and yet Gorr I'd the villain?? They could have shown Gorr actually killing a number of the gods that would have made him an even more terrifying villain and would have made audience fear for the kids after they were abducted. But again the comedy was wayyyy too much It worked for Ragnarok cuz it was a breath of fresh air, but this was dialed up wayyy too much . I think the Russo's had the best version of Thor. He was using jokes and comedy to hide his grief which was awesome. Overall though I think it was okay and quite enjoyable but not great.

[@therisingdyingidiot8022]

Sounds like you just need to lighten up.The example of the nose tickle was simple and playful.

[@michel-manuel]

@@therisingdyingidiot8022 Well, Maybe it's just me I love comedy But my favorite MCU movies are The captian America trilogy, and those ones were abit serious , but all mcu movies have "the typical MCU comedy" infused in them. So maybe it's just a personal preference

[@StanleySThomas]

For me Love and Thunder felt more like an SNL skit of a Thor movie for most of it but the jokes don’t land well and runnings gags outstay their welcome. It’s almost cringe. Too many jokes and not enough time to sit in serious dramatic moments that wouldve meant more if it had more room to breathe. Plot and story felt very rushed and we got to things with characters that don’t feel earned in the midst of a million jokes a minute. The emotional beats dont make you feel the way it should. Christian Bale deserved better for sure. He was amazing as Gorr and needed more screentime to show more of his story, character and him actually butchering Gods but it kind of felt out of place in this more comedic movie. Its like if Heath Ledger as Joker in terms of performance and story was thrown into a SNL sketch. Gorr shouldn’t have been the villain for this tone of a movie which sucks to say because Christian Bale was amazing. There were no stakes really. Watched Ragnarok right before Love and Thunder and Ragnarok had a way better balance between jokes, drama, tone, dialogue, story, and character development. And the jokes in Ragnarok landed way better than in Love and Thunder. The theatre i went to only had a big laugh the first time the goats came in and screamed but that was really it. I really didnt like Thors character or his arc much in Love and Thunder. Thor has gone through the most tragedy and loss, yet his character in Love and Thunder is like when he went to SNL to do skits of Thor. He is a caricature, not someone who is humanized or one that you can empathize with. Thors best trilogy and story arc is between Ragnarok, Infinity War, and Endgame.

[@carlossuarez4702]

Honestly, with how aimless it’s felt the past year or so, I was really anticipating Thor to the the film to really give us a major puzzle piece to what the new phase has been building to. I’m starting to think quantumania is going to be the movie that tells us where it’s all going.

[@jebpleb1803]

Why in the hell would you watch this more than once? The first time was bad enough.

[@Gargarks]

So interesting the perspective and subjectivity of how we view movies. Others have stated here, but it's like you reversed movies as I would see them. For me Ragnarok had a better balance of humor and serious moments. Whereas love and Thunder lost a lot of the potential gravitas and really brilliant themes to jokes that didn't land or didn't know when to stop. But hey, your perspective is appreciated. Keep cranking out the good videos. Even if we don't see eye to eye, I love the way you present your thoughts and this was no exception.

[@rafsaanmuhabshams152]

Okay. Ragnarock was a movie about Thor and Hulk being buddy superheroes in faraway planet. Yes, Odin dies and yes hella is up to destroying Asgard but those are separate storylines and really no one cares that much about Asgard anyway. This movie was about a character that wanted to kill God's cause they abandoned him and his daughter. He kidnaps kids and we find out he was right. You see how this movie has a philosophical angle that needs to be addressed. IMO, Ragnarock and LAT are fundamentally very different movies. Just cause the format worked for Ragnarock doesn't mean it also works for LAT

[@drexeldragon1723]

Thank you for making this video. I thought I was the only person on earth saying that Ragnarok was the film that ruined its emotion with gags. Love and Thunder has more heart and better emotional moments. It makes no sense to me how someone can love Ragnarok but not even like Love and Thunder. They're not that different. And the things that are different, like character moments that actually tug at you, are done better in Love and Thunder.

[@jimbeam2299]

Using Gorr in a light hearted movie like this is like putting Knull at his worst in a kid’s show

[@slayerbot1394]

Yup, with No Way Home. You'll never get that feeling of being excited seeing Tobey and Andrew together with Tom. Take the nostalgia away, and its a pretty good superhero film.

[@jonathanmendez310]

They made him dumb again after everything he's been through, heavily heavily underused Gorr and the choices made were so stupid it'd incredible it got passed. Ff One God was killed and then having his ability to give his power to others like im sorry the hell?! Don't get me started with the wishing well omg

[@Corvy952]

The movie was fun but I enjoyed this mostly bc I like the character of Thor not so much the mcu. Thor as a character is really good and his comedy works for him most of the time (not always). The fact he knew to the day of how long they’ve been separated feels like something Thor would know. It feels real. But the goats and other comedy stuff is what hurts most of the mcu movies. A lot of time is just poorly placed and feels like a break in the actual narrative to force a light hearted “joke”. I watched this movie bc previous movies did a great job building the character of Thor. But I haven’t watched a lot of phase 4 shows/movies bc honestly I haven’t felt the same of how other characters were build up and the narrative of most mcu movies is too samey/similar it gets boring. Also, like with comics, the interconnection of the tv shows and movies is now building too high of a barrier of entry for new and continuing fans to get into. It’s why comics still suffer and pale in comparison to sales of manga. The she hulk show… looks terrible. I will definitely rewatched all the Thor movies, I don’t see myself ever rewatching the ant man movies or eternals

[@mandeepsaini1631]

Bullshit how the hammer reforges for Jane but not for THOR when he fought Thanos. Damn retcons and bs marvel

[@Light-at-Dawn]

responding to the opening of this video: yes, Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker. Loved in theater, but later I understood how bad they are. But still better than this film, I hated every moment of this film

[@Phailfish]

Just because I love mythology. The Goats are actually a homage to his actual mythos as a Norse God. He had both of them actually, which have interesting names which can be found with a Google search. They pulled his chariot around and also he ate them every night and resurrected them with Mjolnir the next day. One has a lame leg due to his leg being broken while being eaten by some of those dinner company.

[@lexorzista]

for me this was a hit and miss. I enjoyed a lot of parts in the movie, some jokes were really good had me laughing a lot, but I do believe that some of them over shadowed a very important part in the movie. I understand your point that the growth in Thor is consistent but I still feel is very lacking and it feels a lot like the guardians dynamic in their own movie. For Thor I feel that his character didn't change yes I accepted love in his life again and decide to protect Gorrs daughter but at the end its the same Thor but this time with a kid at his side instead of the guardians or his friends.

[@danielare4218]

Thor: love and thunder is a bad joke. I just rewatched the first Thor and it only cements what kind of mess phase 4 is.

[@NelsonStJames]

Hollywood has become very good at giving people the illusion of what they want on a superficial level, but it doesn't take audiences long to realize that it is superficial if they engage with it too often, or are given time to think about it, and that epiphany moment is starting to occur faster and faster, so whereas films like Avatar, or The Force Awakens took years and then months for people to say, "hey this actually wasn't very good" we've seen that period shorten from one week to the next. MCU films are often given a pass by saying, "they're average", but a film with a 250 million dollar budget has no right to be just average, it should be a polished gem, and a lot of these films look that they could have done with a few more rewrites rather than the rush job we seem to be getting.