is true crime copaganda? (JCS)

i mean kinda yeah
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[@joeyrony2887]

As an autistic person, most of the shit they tell you that are ways to spot a lie are all fucked because we just do those normaly. We tend to trail off on tangents and not maintain eyecontact etc and that kinda stuff makes people think your lying.

[@dliap98]

yeah so much of this body language/eye contact/tone of voice stuff really doesn't work when you're autistic. it just adds to the stigma that neurodivergent people are 'freaks'

[@wishingwell_333]

unless im autistic the same behavior manifests w anxiety n disorganized thinking in general and stuff like schizophrenia i bet. i mean i do all of that as well i jus don't know what causes it generally jus not a good way to go about things

[@arcadeii]

im not autistic but i have anxiety, and the whole thing abt “guilty people see the interrogator as a threat” like… if im being interrogated i am going to see the interrogator as a threat bc idk wtf is happening??? and when im anxious i talk a lot??? like genuinely if someone did a background check on me, i’d worry that im secretly a criminal despite literally never interacting with the police

[@mimiwtcbb]

yup also there is no research that confirms that there are accurate ways to confirm if someone is lying or not through body language… even though there are these “body language experts” everywhere…

[@Brattybat]

this is why it is so important to always immediately ask for a lawyer, even if you’re innocent. there are so many cases of innocent people being wrongly convicted because of this

[@Nathan-Croft]

Ethan should start an ant-police True Crime channel. I wouldn't miss an episode.

[@hopesauce3324]

🐜🚓🚨 You're under arrest for possession of crumbs! 🔫🐜

[@davidbowman2001]

Tiny police with tiny equipment doing tiny brutalities.

[@charliesmith3641]

or even a miniseries I'll take whatever I can get

[@melodyhaviland9393]

i love this comment section! go pee heads!

[@eternallustformedusa4844]

ant jokes aside, this is a cool idea. and the proceeds go to the victims families or to victims of police brutality and abuse.

[@dumbpinkthing]

dude in every single Red Tree Crime video they "diagnose" the killer with a personality disorder. EVERY SINGLE ONE and it drives me fucking crazy as someone who actually has one. like it makes the rest of us look horrible

[@dliap98]

YES omg they always do that shit. like maybe they're just a bad person?? it makes it really difficult to exist in the world with a personality disorder and not be seen as 'crazy' or dangerous

[@eternallustformedusa4844]

taking a few clips and diagnosing somebody with them is wild.

[@gastcyning]

red tree fucking sucks anyway

[@dumbpinkthing]

@@eternallustformedusa4844 yeah especially since they usually only have like 1-2 symptoms and were never actually diagnosed. plus sometimes they even bring up a personality disorder just to then say "this shows that the person might not have that disorder." LIKE WHY BRING IT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE??!?!!

[@dumbpinkthing]

@@dliap98 seriously when they act like you can't kill someone without having a personality disorder that makes everyone who has one look like a murderer. as if there's not already enough stigmatism and people thinking we're violent and unhinged. that isn't the representation we need lmfao

[@rexana_rexana]

The problem with "this pattern of speech means they're lying" is that often the pattern is ones that neurodivergent people use. I have ADHD so rambling and trailing off, especially when exciting or stressed, is REALLY FUCKING COMMON, to a stereotypical amount. It's common for anxiety and ASD too! There's such an issue of trying "catch" people on their speech when that is really so person-dependent. You think a COP is going to understand this nuance, let alone CARE?

[@invention64]

That's why the only thing you say is, "I want a lawyer"

[@aeifersucht]

​@@invention64 I'm not American so I can't say for sure, but I've read that what you should say is "I invoke my right to a lawyer/attorney/silence/whatevs" bc cops pretty much don't care about what you want, but they *have* to comply to your 'constitutional rights. Again, I'm not from the States so I'm not 100% sure of how it works, but I think it's "safer" for you to invoke rather than to ask for.

[@anjelarae]

I have terrible anxiety and that leads me to overexplaining anything someone asks me about because I feel like they think I’m lying and I need to give as much detail as I can to prove myself

[@ninatr5219]

on the topic of adhd i saw another vid where they talked about how "having an unusual memory/recollection of things is suspicious" where like. remembering exactly what you did on some day a couple months ago or not remembering what you did yesterday doesn't seem believable to cops and i heard that and was like. man i do not remember what i did yesterday so glad i'm not the one being interrogated (and would never talk to cops lol)

[@DeathnoteBB]

Yeah a lot of ND behavior for some reason is constantly treated as suspicious by NT people. Something about unconscious bias of people that are “off”? Slices? I forget the term but Malcolm Gladwell’s Blink explains about it. People get a snapshot impression of you and if you read as ND people _hate_ it

[@pre-deadghost]

My personal thought is that its insane that more true crime folk aren't acab, but its unfortunate that the mistakes and racism enacted by the cops is covered up or exused.

[@TheEepyMagi]

The only time i support true crime content is when its in an acab format because it shows how incompetent the police are and typically respects victims in the process

[@hand13932]

a lot of these people think the cops are the only effective way of preventing this kind of thing

[@GhostInTheMachine165]

The true crime content creators who focus on unsolved crimes seem more critical of the police than JCS or content creators who focus on solved cases.

[@MayvaAva]

@@GhostInTheMachine165 true but they also tend to be little arm chair detectives and do a lot of harm, not always but on average, so there’s really no winning 😔

[@cez_is_typing]

Definitely depends on the true crime you’re into Very surface level true crime enjoyers tend to be more supportive of police But people who actually are very into it (like myself, currently studying to be a criminal psychologist) understand how wrong both criminals and innocent people tend to be treated by the law enforcement Once you’re super into it, it becomes impossible to miss cus it’s so common Sneegsnag is a KZbinr with a criminology degree and he reacts to JCS content through the lens of knowing when the police are doing well and deserve the praise but also is very much an ACAB supporter and will call them out

[@zbcrazy]

Can confirm, our city received a lot of money for covid relief that was to be distributed among citizens, but then city council or whatever was like “how about we actually buy the police a second tank instead?” So that’s where that money went

[@moonylime]

Why was there a first tank 😭😭

[@carterc4307]

Police Tank???

[@OkiSmokey]

Gotta blast away all the failing businesses

[@nefritees]

idk how yall think the cops are gonna handle the dogs without tanks 🤷‍♀

[@RokkTheRock]

@Nefrifees what fuckin dogs?? if u like the taste if rubber pork boots just say so

[@RosaHernandez-uw2ul]

JCS is copaganda, but I feel like after you watch a lot of true crime, you become more and more anti-cop because they fuck up so many goddamn cases. I was just watching a case today on That Chapter, and the family had to hire private investigators to even get anyone to look into the case. Almost every case I hear about has the cops just slack off and refuse to do anything.

[@frankiee5004]

The studies on those who consume true crime do not indicate that is the case.

[@auggiet8380]

Ebby Steppach, I listened to that one too. So messed up.

[@georgeharrisonfricklas7927]

There are definitely some episodes of JCS that are very much not copaganda. Some of it is! Some of it definitely isn't. If you're ever inclined, the newer episodes of crime junkie are very much anti-cop.

[@SAVarXX]

@@frankiee5004 yea, JCS isnt really like the more popular true crime stuff the masses are filling their brains with. you can make the argument jcs goes for a more "educational" approach while 99% of people are consuming spotify podcasts designed to be Entertaining and Dramatic. so for most people unfortunately, consuming more true crime content is not making them skeptical of cops; its making them the opposite.

[@danielburns01]

EXACTLY. jesus fucking christ, i want to rip my hair off my head when cops brush off the 1,245904,483958,859385 woman reporting stalking or harassment who later ends up dead. surreal.

[@SamE-mh4ki]

Consuming true crime stories helped me turn into the ACAB headspace because so many cases are like “Police were notified about screams and blood leaking from this man’s apartment. They also received complaints from his roommates, about him bragging about murdering a woman and storing her body in his fridge. Four months later, the police finally got around to searching his house, and were shocked. Here is an interview with the cop in question: “I mean wow we were really shocked we had no idea. He was just like a normal guy, no one could have expected this from him.”” But yes JSC it’s undoubtedly copaganda, but you can still enjoy content that’s copaganda, as long as you’re AWARE. Hell, I love Columbo, but it’s literally copaganda. (I mean, they do have a couple of episodes about corrupt police/military who try to hide murders, but still. Copaganda)

[@ErieRosewood]

same. I really enjoy lucifer, but it's blatant copaganda for the LAPD. one of the most notoriously crooked departments even among people who are pro cop. the later seasons at least tried to address the corruption. I really liked amenadiels arc about police brutality. but the way it went about "fixing" the department left an odd taste in my mouth. anyway, I second liking copaganda when you can recognize its copaganda.

[@nocturnalniceties6585]

I love Clumbo. Thinking about the copaganda aspect always makes me a little sad, but it's important to keep in mind.

[@DeathnoteBB]

Yeah Columbo is huge copaganda. Even the “cops are corrupt” episodes still just paint the issue as “oh a few bad apples but we’re mostly good!” Columbo seems to _always_ know exactly who did it, and is _always_ right. It primes the public to trust cops even when they’re being prejudiced.

[@Rad-Dude63andathird]

​@@nocturnalniceties6585 I mean if it makes you feel better they deliberately make Columbo target the rich (meaning he's no class traitor), not carry a gun, go against the wishes of his own department at times, etc. like he's meant to be very much deliberately a not-normal idealized version of what the police _should_ be like imo. Murder She Wrote sticks with me as an example, the police hound the victim's wife until she has to leave the room and in the hall is Columbo, who offers to take her home and make her some food, so she has a chance to breathe and calm down.

[@Rad-Dude63andathird]

​@@DeathnoteBB To the show's credit, Columbo was intentionally designed to be less of a normal person and more of a mythological figure.

[@melithegamer]

Every time these true crime copaganda channels say being against authority is a sign of being "a psychopath" i die a little

[@montymints]

I mean it’s in the diagnostic criteria/neg/derog/be so for real

[@melithegamer]

@@montymints Okay, and it shouldn't be. It's a serious label. Anti-authoritarianism and being against authority in general isn't something that should be psychopathologized in the first place. YOU can be labeled as "having issues with authority" when you don't kiss up to a clinical director that might have the personality and opinions of Donald Trump. Or you don't wanna take a medication that you're prescribed? that can label you as anti authority. And down that path easily get a diagnosis for something that you don't have, and then be labeled and lose your rights to autonomy. You are now a psychopath. These are things we NEED to question. Authority needs to be questioned. Additionally psychologists, psychiatrists, and other mental health professionals are extraordinarily compliant with authorities themselves. There are MANY things psychiatry is pathologizing in a dangerous way, and it threatens the lives of disabled, anti authoritarian people like myself. Not everything is that black and white.

[@thisdudeamiright2321]

⁠@@montymintsif something's derogatory it's usually negative

[@DeathnoteBB]

@@montymintsWhat

[@sanguillotine]

@@montymintsplease speak actual words

[@testingtranquility]

there's a few other comments about this already, but as someone diagnosed with BPD, it is so genuinely harmful and infuriating how true crime treats mental illness, especially personality disorders. ASPD, NPD, and BPD especially are always always brought up out of nowhere, when the suspect doesnt fit the criteria and hasnt been diagnosed. just because they're violent. the way these videos paint our disorders are LITERALLY as "the serial killer disorders" its so fucking horrible. it drives me up the wall. these things drastically influence culture and normies. they dont fucking know any better. average people see this shit and assume our disorders are "serial killer disorders" its fucking horrible.

[@AromanticPigeonMadness]

Absolutely. True crime also particularly treats psychosis in a disgusting way. It is deeply frustrating as someone with schizoaffective disorder.

[@dumbpinkthing]

so glad I'm not the only one. i get so mad every time i hear them mention a personality disorder the victim doesn't even have. like why bring it up??? why even mention it??? there's no purpose other than making an entire group of people look bad for no reason

[@testingtranquility]

@@AromanticPigeonMadness this too absolutely!!!! even sometimes bipolar gets lumped in there but at least ~most~ people know bipolar isnt some kinda serial killer disorder and its much less stigmatized than psychosis or pds. not to say things are perfect for bipolar people either tho! like i have literally been told to my face that i cannot feel love because i have bpd. people just dont fucking get it man.

[@testingtranquility]

@@dumbpinkthing it is infuriating and Dangerous :/ it makes people hate us. people think we're dangerous. it's scary.

[@val71999]

as someone with DID, yeah, I feel this :')

[@RogueAstro85]

The best true crime channel is Dave's Lemonade. He comes across as a genuinely kind person and approaches his videos as analyzing emotions and situations instead of as a detached "psychological breakdown" like so many others. He also actually focuses on the harm caused to the victims rather than the mental illness and personality of the killers. As far as I could tell in his videos he doesn't do any cop apologism

[@WarlockEmpire]

Yessss I love Dave’s Lemonade.

[@anamawia]

Try stephanie harrlowe fr

[@limeyell0w945]

ive seen some of eleanor neales videos. theyre good

[@dustyyshellz1320]

Damn the comments took a turn, Eleanor and Stephanie perpetuate a lot of the issues I see in true crime content but that’s just my opinion

[@Topboxicle]

If cop is being a dickhead Dave calls that out, and points out how shitty police work can harm victims, it's actually really refreshing

[@theConcernedWyvern]

The whole thing with psychological tricks and body language interpretation is that it's suuuuper biased against neurodivergent people. For instance: looking at the ground or away, fiddling with things, long, rambling sentences, etc. They're very common in people with ADHD and autism. It may be good advice if you're certain the person you're talking to is neurotypical, but otherwise it's adjacent to quack science. It's kind of one of those fields where the interpreter sees what they want to see, intentionally or not. Edit: grammar and spelling

[@isolabarge4196]

i guess that's true but at the end of the day you aren't gonna go to prison for staring at the ground for too long during an interrogation. if you aren't guilty then there shouldn't be enough evidence to charge you with any crime. these are just tips used to HELP detectives fish out suspicous people and it's not always gonna be 100% effective or true because everybody is different, BUT that also doesn't mean they are allowed to just throw you in prison for bein g autistic. you still have constitutional rights and there are still laws that law enforcement has to abide by. i have had crippling ADHD my whole life and i feel your pain. a lot of the behaviors i exhibit could be considered suspicious but at the end of the day i've never murdered a person so i'm not worried about being arrested. these are just tips and pointers for purely educational purposes.

[@CrowMaiden]

@@isolabarge4196 I love the theory but police can and will 1) manipulate you into confessing to something you didn't do, 2) plant evidence because they decided it was you (and cops, for whatever reason, think they're judge, jury, and executioner). like, these have happened in actual cases and then it turns into an appeal trial decades later when it finally comes out. these are why people who have the ACAB view talk about getting a lawyer even if you're innocent. police benefit no one but the upper class and each other and will not hesitate to remind you of that if they so much as /think/ you're guilty. such as, for example, if you seem like you're lying because you keep looking away or trail off or start rambling or talk too fast.

[@soupsalamamder]

was literally talking about something similar the other day. how can any true crime "fan" could be pro pig when literally most of the cases involve the police being incompetent and neglectful

[@pre-deadghost]

This God the amount of crimes that could be prevented if cops actually did their jobs

[@TurbopropPuppy]

@@pre-deadghost cops do do their jobs, it's just that their actual jobs ain't to "serve and protect" us, it's to serve and protect the ruling class, all the way back to their roots as slave-catchers

[@LyzergideDaydreaming]

@@pre-deadghost instead of existing solely to protect the money and property of the rich

[@elliot__agares]

Literally, numerous crimes, specially kidnapping and premeditated murder cases would have been either solved very quickly or prevented if the police wasn't fucking stupid and negligent. That also includes famous serial killers, wich would have been caught much earlier if not for police incompetent, racism and white man privilege

[@TheOfficialLonestar]

I love pigs. And bacon. Are talking about police? Sorry if I'm being confused.

[@hellopeople6138]

I just wanted to add that I REALLY hate when people throw around "sociopath" all the time. I have a friend with "sociopathic tendencies". Y'all want to know why he's like this? Because he was extremely abused to the the point where it's classified as torture and had to learn to completely turn off any emotion, just to survive. A lot of people who are called sociopaths are just victims who had to learn to shut down. He is still a great friend, I have never felt unsafe around him. He may not emotionally love his friends, but he still cares for us in a different way. ALSO, I'm sick of people calling people narcissists as an insult. Narcissism is a condition that is common to form during, or after being abused as a child. Of course they are more self centered, that's how they protected/protect themselves from abuse/further abuse. People constantly say "narcissistic abuse" when they mean ABUSE. You wouldn't call it "Depression abuse" or "bipolar abuse" just because the abuser had those conditions. Abusing someone is a CHOICE and both Narcissists and "Sociopaths" are very capable of not choosing it. It's like when Cristians say "If you don't believe in God, why don't you kill everybody?" Just because Narcissists and "Sociopaths" don't have the same way of thinking as you and I, DOESN'T mean they don't still have the means to know what is right and wrong.

[@mistymoooooor]

you are absolutely right. its especially annoying how "narcissist" is thrown around at people (especially women) when they do anything slightly pretentious. it just demonizes people with narcissistic conditions

[@dliap98]

100%

[@reckless_herb]

narcissistic abuse is a term used because there is a very common set of ways narcissistic people abuse others. Not that narcissists are inherently abusive. My mother who I’d classify as narcissistic abused me, because of her trauma. And her narcissistic tendencies (at the minimum) drastically affected how she abused me. She would have done it differently if her trauma response was different. I’m not a psychologist, this is an opinion formed by experience. There’s a good chance my experience doesn’t line up with others. I just see a lot of repetition of my experience around me.

[@montymints]

@@reckless_herb yeah I think this is a situation where it’s a valid term in the appropriate situation but not something you should accuse someone of because you don’t like them, even if they are abusive (to others, if you’re actively being abused you can say anything you want about them ofc)

[@reckless_herb]

@@montymints that makes sense 👍🏻

[@aevinum]

The police union is not only the strongest union in the country that protects cop jobs, its also the only union I know of that protects you from being punished for committing crimes. I don't think the starbucks union is going to keep you from being punished for being in a "barista involved shooting"

[@anactualjoke]

it would be so based if Starbucks Union did tho, like you get in a union related incident, and the union keeps you hidden.

[@hannahdavis4256]

Super ableist as well. Especially towards those with lower empathy, that can't socialize as well, and especially if they have NPD or ASPD or even just a stereotyped version of the disorders. I used to watch true crime until it got too triggering for me since, ya know, crimes. And then I slowly educated myself on why it's so bad. I really hate true crime now. I tried to get back into it, thought I picked out a fine video, instantly slapped with "she was also a raging narcissist." Yes, my narcissistic ass loves being compared to serial killers and murderers and abusers and treated like narcissism is evil and selfish (/sarc.) It's just not good all around. I'm also surprised more fans of it aren't acab since cops mess up the cases so freaking bad.

[@dliap98]

ugh yeah, literally any time somebody does anything bad people immediately call them a narcissist it must be so infuriating

[@elitheratman3730]

Yeah, as an autistic person it terrifies me that someone could think I’m a liar because I fidget and don’t make eye contact.

[@arcadeii]

yeah, i have anxiety and i see pretty much everything as a threat. it doesnt mean im guilty.

[@urahi830]

the fuck does "those with lower empathy" mean?

[@hellopeople6138]

I just wrong a comment about the use of the terms "Narcissists and "Sociopaths"" and I absolutely agree with you. Im so sick of those terms being correlated to violence. They are absolutely not violent. I don't have to emotional compassion to write more rn because im so Burt out but I agree

[@dodg1123]

I'm about to start by paralegal internship and what I tell family and friends is "BE QUIET AND ASK FOR A LAWYER." It's so easy for cops to twist things so even if you are 100% innocent, get legal advise. It's your right and will not incriminate you if you ask for an attorney.

[@cez_is_typing]

This!!! Also if you’ve asked for a lawyer, don’t talk until they are IN THE ROOM. They can say they’re “getting a lawyer sorted” while they aren’t and just trying to get leeway to get you to talk!!!

[@Saibellus]

old comment but wanna add, VERY SPECIFICALLY say "I am invoking my right to speak to a lawyer right now. Get me a lawyer. I will not speak without a lawyer present." etc etc. Cops can and have in the past willfully misconstrued statements like "I wanna lawyer" or "I have the right to a lawyer" as the person merely...musing aloud on their rights or desires but not actually invoking them. Assume cops are going to act like an evil genie and interpret your words in whatever way suits them best.

[@Thalvia]

Ethan listens to NO ONE, except their dad or their mom, or their grandma, and of course can't forget the uncle, and wait!! Their aunt!! Other than that, ethan is a lone wolf

[@helloworld2409]

or their cousin! or uhh that one guy they saw on the street. orr uhh the uh yknow person

[@fearfulstatic]

It's so funny how incompetent these detectives are that they have to start pleading and begging for a confession lol

[@cez_is_typing]

It’s actually the opposite, that’s a technique used in interrogations I’m not a cop apologist, but they aren’t desperately begging, they’re manipulating him based on his personality. It’s part of their job

[@isolabarge4196]

i think you just don't understand the techniques that they're using. i was interrogated once and these exact type of tactics used on me were incredibly effective and only afterwards did i realize how much i was being manipulated. you don't know what it's like until you are actually put into those shoes or have studied it.

[@isolabarge4196]

@@cez_is_typing exactly! like they know exactly what they are doing they went to school for this shit and have to undergo a LOT of training. it is very well thought-out and meticulous. let the professionals do their job.

[@ixacross3230]

As someone who sometimes enjoys true crime content, I can safely say that if anything, it's made my opinion of cops even worse. That's not to say though that true crime isn't copaganda, it definitely is, just like B99, which I also enjoy sometimes.

[@jadegreenleaf781]

bullshit, im afraid of cops 24/7, id act guilty being the most innocent one on the case.

[@readwrecks]

Man, that “people talk too much when they lie” horse shit is not good information. Some people talk too much when they lie, some people talk too little when they lie, and then some people don’t do anything so obvious. (And it’s not about being a sociopath, or a fundamentally manipulative person, they just have a different stress response than talking too much or too little.) But cops will tell you “I knew the suspect was lying to me when he started speaking because people talk too much when they feel guilty about lying,” or “because people don’t talk enough when they feel guilty about lying,” or even “because who cast their eyes up and to the left before they give a reply are accessing the creative part of their brain.” It’s all nonsense designed to make convictions easier for lazy hogs. They can just make up whatever they want as evidence that the person they were speaking to was lying to them to fabricate probable cause

[@sweetsour4375]

You're right. It also tends to provide a bias against neurodivergent people or people that have good reason to be anxious around cops, like people of color.

[@DeathnoteBB]

Exactly. It’s unnerving Ethan just agreed to fast when this is supposed to be anti-cop. Not to mention the fatshaming.

[@ona512]

That's why I trained myself to look down and to the right. Idk if it means anything specific but it's not the "you're lying" side. I really do feel like it got me out of super judgy fake empathy types.

[@Saibellus]

theres some truth to people providing too many specific details when lying, especially about unremarkable events or things that happened a long time ago, but its hardly a concrete enough thing to use as evidence. not everyone lies the same way. but even if 90% of people do that, thats a helluva fucking miss rate trying to convict people.

[@readwrecks]

@ no, the only truth to it is that some people do certain things when they lie. Some people provide too many details, some people don’t provide enough, and some people don’t have any problems sticking to relevant details when they are lying. Providing too many details is also something that happens when people get distracted by specific details. They do it when telling a true story among family and friends. It’s not necessarily indicative of a person being nervous, let alone an indicator that they are lying. And “too many” or “not enough” are wildly subjective values. It is all just a ploy to get citizens to consent to searches, or for cops to claim they have probable cause.

[@val71999]

as an audhd person my heart dropped into my stomach when he said that people over explain when they're guilty because *this is just how i talk*

[@caffeineandmemes]

No same! I was like, cool so I’d immediately get pinned for murder even though in just out here minding my business. I have two modes: explain too much, or explain nothing at all and leave the listener guessing, both are apparently suspicious

[@DeathnoteBB]

Especially because Ethan agreed with it! Like dude. I thought you were supposed to be critiquing this video as copaganda not agreeing with the discriminatory misconceptions.

[@Saibellus]

LOL word im just anxious and grew up w a person who would pick apart my every word, so now i phrase everything like a legal document so my point doesnt get twisted

[@llllaarr2518]

I feel like the body shaming is bad even for cops bc it makes ppl who might associate with those body characteristics remember “oh yeah, everyone agrees, my body is shameful:/“

[@charmingnarcisse]

100% its just useless to try fight bigots with a different bigoted thought, all oppressions are related one way or another. its pretty nonsense to answer misoginy with racism, for example

[@vicquemare]

thank you so fucking much for pointing this out, i was just about to type up a comment about how i hate the amount of leftists who will body shame shitty people because they think it's justified. critique people on their actions, not their appearances, you just alienate your own audience when you do that.

[@kaibaiarrio1299]

Yeah, that whole segment ruined any good feelings about ethan. The way they doubled down on the fatphobia by saying that it isnt actually fatphobic because theyre cops was just needlessly mean

[@early.autumn.summer]

@@charmingnarcisse 1,000% everyone who replied to this comment said it so well- I’ve noticed so many popular creators do this & it really gets on my nerves, especially when it’s coming from leftists who claim to be super inclusive of all body types/abilities :(

[@DeathnoteBB]

@@vicquemareFor real. Like Trump and tiny hands. We get it, you all find tiny hands repulsive, can we focus on the bigotry and racism? I have tiny hands and it never sits well when I see people mock that of all things. Like really? That’s the most deplorable thing about him??

[@ajhalkeright7043]

When people talk about what cops look for to find who's suspicious and list social symptoms of autism

[@DeathnoteBB]

Not to mention Ethan agreeing it is an accurate thing to find suspicious 💀 As an autistic person with anxiety who trails off *all the time,* yes I would “do that when talking to cops” as it isn’t exactly a thing I control. I don’t think most people *intentionally* trail off, because I sure don’t.

[@lemonmeat]

@@DeathnoteBBexactly lol, i LITERALLY had to over explain this week because of how used i am to this mindset when i had to talk to a detective about my case, literally had to list every diagnosis and symptom i had lengthily just to avoid this bs ☠️

[@WillowyMilk]

You have to explicitly say “I want a lawyer” because if you just ask “should I get a lawyer?” They’ll just say well you can if you want and that doesn’t count as you explicitly asking for a lawyer so they will keep questioning you.

[@DeathnoteBB]

Because it’s not a request for one to ask if you *should* have one. Ofc you should. But why would they tell you that? They want to arrest you and make the charges stick so they look good. Hell they won’t even take “I want a lawyer” as a request for one. You have to explicitly state you are invoking your right to a lawyer, and even then who knows if they’ll even stop the interrogation.

[@Saibellus]

you cant even say "i want". you need to say something more like i am invoking my right to a lawyer, or get me a lawyer. cops have in thr past claimed people saying things like "i want a lawyer" or "o have the right to an attorney" were merely musing aloud about their rights or desires lmao, scumbag cops

[@theonlyrosy]

I have a guilty pleasure of watching the Explore With Us interrogations, and while it’s technically still copaganda I’ve noticed that when the detective makes a stupid move or is an a$$hole the narrator at least points it out (for example, there was one detective who kept antagonizing a hard of hearing girl for “talking with her hands too much” and was a d!ck to her in general and the narrator was heavily criticizing him)

[@lovesick_and_rotting]

explore with us is the reason im acab i lovr their content sm even if it is copaganda

[@asherlewis5974]

theres a donut shop i pass by and day after day i see a cop car in the drive through. there is no stereotype more cartoonishly true.

[@lillyjean2391]

Literally. A bakery near me always has multiple cop cars in the parking lot when I go by lol

[@mackers6431]

As someone with horrible inattentive ADHD I didn’t even notice the guy trailing off until you started the returned shoes bit… is this how I sound to other people? Lmaoooo

[@apple_1234]

My mother watches so many true crime shows,everytime we talk about anything she always mentions that someday we (me and my siblings) are going to kill her

[@davidbowman2001]

My grandma watches so much cable news and true crime back in 2017 or whatever she told me not to get recruited by ISIS online. I was slightly insulted lol.

[@hand13932]

maybe you should do it for shits and giggles then

[@vsmith1688]

I think the videos are interesting, but I have to fast forward through a lot of them, particularly the body language bullshit, and when the narrator starts aggressively sucking off the interrogators

[@dliap98]

lol truly

[@dunjunart]

If anyone is still wondering about Lee Rodarte, according to Florida newspapers he took a plea deal for second degree murder in exchange for a 40 year sentence. I don't think this murder would have qualified him for the death penalty in Florida (they're pretty specific on it) so I'm not sure what was on the table for him to take such a plea, but that's what I found out.

[@krystinay]

I love how its supposed to be "innocent until proven guilty" except in literally all of these interrogations that we see. And we feel its justified because we "know" that they did it, except there are multiple occassions in which the person didn't do it but were denied basic human rights, continously questioned, told that they did it and the police refuse to believe them when they say they're innocent, denied medical care, forced to stay awake, etc which leads to a false confession. You know, I'm a historian specializing in witch trials and in England and America where people "weren't torturing," they did this. You know what historians call this? Torture. 🤔🤔🤔

[@krystinay]

Also, it's highly suspicious that they just HAPPEN to cut out the part where they get the confession....

[@harveydangerfield]

All of the like, ~behavioral analysis~ in interrogation footage like this always feels so biased to me. Because like, NONE of it takes into account how a person might act if they were just fucking scared of cops. I'm piss my pants terrified of cops even when I've done nothing wrong. One time I got pulled over for a busted tail light and started crying and shaking and the cop was at the window like "what's wrong why are you so freaked out" like he was trying to catch me doing something wrong and my girlfriend in the passenger seat had to be like because he's scared dude! you're fucking scaring him! this whole idea that "non guilty people" act a certain way is such bullshit. if I were interrogated for a crime I didn't do, I'd go to prison for it anyway because I don't have the wherewithal to act "aggressively" towards the cops for even half a second. I could never act like "innocent" people do, I'd just have an anxiety meltdown. and I think that's true of anyone who's scared of cops for any reason.

[@DeathnoteBB]

For real. Ever since I was little getting a scolding makes me burst into tears. If I got pulled over I would just start crying. I’m also autistic so if I was ever in an interrogation room I would be stimming like crazy to try and self-soothe.

[@harveydangerfield]

@@DeathnoteBB take it from me they DON'T like it if you cry when they pull you over!!!

[@emiliew5553]

i wouldnt last a second in a police interrogation because all of the things that they take as signs that you're lying are things i do normally bc i'm autistic. i tend to um and ah before i answer even the most basic questions bc my brain needs a moment to register what it is you're asking me

[@scootaloosweetieaj5461]

ohhh god same. i start getting stressed and flapping my arms a bit when i don't know exactly what to say. it would not work to my benefit lmao

[@lemonmeat]

and thats why if it ever comes to the case i will ask for a lawyer

[@sizergeorge210]

"if someone gives a more detailed response then they have something to hide" I WOULD BE DOOMED IN AN INTERROGATION BECAUSE I GIVE THE LONGEST, MOST DETAILED ANSWERS TO EVERYTHING AND I CANNOT CONTROL THIS. THIS IS DUE TO AN OCD/PSYCHOSIS RELATED THOUGHT DISORDERED BEHAVIOR. AGAIN, I CANNOT CONTROL THIS. THIS IS PROBABLY THE SHORTEST EXPLANATION I CAN GIVE.

[@tdclemensen]

What I don't understand is how the guy didn't know where the security cameras were considering how long he had been working there

[@DeathnoteBB]

I mean that’s the point of security cameras, they’re usually hidden

[@Kieranlovesunicorns]

Brought up a good point, true crime covers the people that are really stupid bc a lot of crimes aren’t solved as well or people do things to people and never have consequences. Like we should be like “thank you so much law enforcement for solving crimes” when, in reality so many people don’t get justice

[@bobanoda]

True crime content (I don’t really watch JCS style ones but even those) actually helped me become more aware of how poorly the police handle cases

[@The_Slammy_Jammy]

peethan you'll never know how valid you make me feel as a human being by literally who you are. polish cow forever ❤

[@soup2284]

I've been watching so much Explore With Us and they break down how cops do their manipulation and try to make them feel more comfortable or mimicking their body language and stuff

[@readytoill]

EWU also has its flaws. it puts a lot on reading body language, a pseudoscience which negatively affects everyone. they’ve also been adding that US govt agencies use body language, like that makes a difference. they also diagnose criminals and back it up saying theres workers in criminal psychology, as if that makes a difference when they themselves have never spoken to the people theyre diagnosing. they also put a pretty heavy emphasis on the reid technique.

[@soup2284]

@@readytoill true. Just fun to watch though, despite the subject matter being so the way it is

[@SAVarXX]

@@readytoill ya was gonna say i love EWU as a guilty pleasure but theres some pretty problematic stuff at times. atleast therye doing the disclaimers now about how the stuff is pseudoscience but yeah. i think the only true crime person i watch who doesnt seem to be copaganda is Matt Orchard

[@deesrose6003]

This is why I like Explore With Us - calls out both the suspects & the cops stupidity. (ALSO the narrators voice is top tier)

[@moonlighthowling666]

True crime is copaganda but it's also the thing that made me anti cop so, idk anecdote is not data

[@austinfletchermusic]

This is why the streets watch Sneegsnag's Crime Time, aka, "A Criminology Major Reacts to True Crime Videos and Tells Us Why ACAB"

[@micah1387]

That lady cop really pulled out distressed mom auditions out of nowhere

[@Annaleebie]

It's really disappointing that people were calling you out during your stream for fatphobic comments and you just kept it truckin by saying "I'm not fatphobic I'm cop-phobic hee hee" Leave fat people out of it then. That's like saying it's okay to use sexist language about female cops just bc they deserve it for being cops, which I saw a lot in real time at protests. The fatphobia (or the sexism) is not good rhetoric for anyone to use, even if they're on team ACAB.

[@unownyoutuber9049]

coming from a fat person fatphobia is bullshit and not real. Cope

[@smolxans]

@@unownyoutuber9049 it definitely is real lmaoo but ok??

[@smolxans]

yea i like him, but this video was not it for me.

[@111jade]

right like he literally said "I'm not fat-phobic" and in the same breath said (I'm paraphrasing I'm sorry) "They're fat they look like hogs." How is that not fat-phobic?? I'm 100% pro making fun of cops and I'm not trying to be nit picky! I'm generally in agreement w Ethan's opinions and views on things. But i don't get why he needed to be fat-phobic to get his point across very weird.

[@DeathnoteBB]

@@111jadeA lot of leftists/activists have a weird idea that being bigoted towards a bigot is okay. It’s just “Well I can oppress *them* because I decided they suck” with extra steps (The extra steps being that the target is a cop, so they do suck, but that doesn’t make oppression magically okay. It just means you are choosing to be a bigot when you think it is socially acceptable ) It’s *not a good look.*

[@neiiko5712]

I don’t think all true crime channels are copoganda but oh boy JCS definitely is. Also it’s hard not to notice how whenever they cover marginalized groups the commentary always feel like a micro aggression.

[@KenzGirl]

my mom was just telling me how my parents decided to go eat at this exact bonefish grill a day after this happened which was really random for them, they never went out to eat and especially bonefish grill, and when they showed up it was closed. she recently watched this jcs video and just put the pieces together.

[@lauryntonio]

occasionally i do watch these styles of true cime videos on yotube and youre totally right abt the blatant copaganda. the videos always treatt the cops interrogations as completely calculated, but a lot of times they just sound like a disney parent trying to manipulate their kid like bad acting, obvious manipulation, really pathetic appeals to emotions - which like sure in the service of getting someone to admit to a heinous crime may be justified to some ppl but dont try to convince me the police are skilled at anythign bc they put a guilty guy in a small room and then treated him shitty for 2 hours to get him to admit hes guilty like okay? like is all the hullabaloo necessary - as ethan said "congrats... you... tortured a guy??"

[@DeathnoteBB]

Honestly I can definitely see acting like a bumbling cop being a tactic to make them let their guard down. I do think that police absolutely want you to *think* they’re way more calculating than they actually are, though. And it works, sadly. Same with lots of copaganda out there, it makes the police look good and competent. Hell even the ones where they’re the butt of the joke make them out to be justified or “one of the good ones” in the end. In the end, it really doesn’t matter if they’re a fool or not. Never talk to the police.

[@hazel3486]

i love ethan, i love jcs, i love a critical eye being applied to media i enjoy, this is awesome

[@niaranoctyrna3754]

That literally was fat-shaming though. “Fat and lazy, look like hogs”. Just because the target you were fat-shaming are cops doesn’t make it not fat-shaming. It just means you are fat-shaming cops. If it was just about them being cops, you could just say the “lazy” part, no “fat” needed. Call them out for being incompetent and violent, etc.

[@hunypot]

Imagine taking an adderall right before a police interogation

[@DeathnoteBB]

Taking it recreationally, and then admitting to it. That’s a massive crime in itself. It’s a controlled drug due to people who don’t need it abusing it.

[@chocomelo454]

RIP people with ADHD who have to put up with hogs.

[@AntiFaGoat]

The Stephanie Lazarus one still gets me. She was a cop who killed her old boyfriend's wife and (allegedly) botched the evidence so that no one would find her for almost 20 years. The interrogation is cops trying to get information from another cop. She very stupidly walks into an interrogation room and just talks nonsense on hidden camera until she's arrested! You'd think a cop would ask for a lawyer right off, but not her!

[@decodyg484]

What if they just kept bringing water bottles, like every 3 min and the whole table and floor just gets littered

[@not_here2124]

same thing for observe, as an autistic person the “tips and tricks” for how to recognise someone lying are so ridiculous

[@giant_internet_nerd]

The “during interrogations, guilty people will see the cop as a threat” thing is so scary because wtf everyone should feel scared during an interrogation, at least I would be shaking and crying. I was just accused of something I didn’t do and they don’t care if I’m actually guilty or not like the cops are going to arrest me for being a paranoid loser! What do you mean I should see this as just like a casual conversation PLEASE THIS IS A COP THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH LOCKING ME UP FOR NO REASON

[@hopesauce3324]

You can like a show and still recognize it's flaws. B99 is one of my comfort shows and it's hilarious, but it's still copaganda. I love Rosa for leaving tho literal bi energy

[@croaklikeatoad4384]

Leaving the suspect alone is an interrogation technique that’s like, dubiously ethical. There’s one case where a guy just starts talking to himself about having done the crime

[@JinStreams]

Feels along the lines of solitary confinement

[@SirXer]

You made a lot of great, interesting, and thought provoking comments in the video. I appreciate you sharing this journey with us all!

[@GhostlyArtistAj]

'You wanna defund us? We just bought a fucking aircraft carrier' is now added to the list of lines an oc I have says

[@mikeyahl7363]

"It's commonly believed that people with nothing to hide are likely to give a short, concise response.." 23:43 is so bunk. If you've got a Neuro issue (like me), you very well could just talk their ear off & overexplain no matter what they ask.

[@LongingForRest]

Bro it's laughable to say they rehersed like they were stepping on each other's toes so much its actually funny. Like she was say we have proof and he was saying we're not saying you did it like great job guys perfect profomance there.

[@TheRealSplexy]

what

[@LongingForRest]

@@TheRealSplexy if your confused about the end that part is sarcastic

[@terripineapple8950]

ethan really out here looking like my grandma

[@BeeGay420]

Grandma peen

[@lauryntonio]

ur grandma single??? lmk

[@le0ur]

fine ass grandma

[@nonsenseusername292]

Your grandma dripped out with the chain zamn

[@PleSeagr]

As someone with a cluster-B personality disorder, I enjoy watching true crime like JCS, but I get pretty ticked when they always act like it's because of a personality disorder those people did those things... I still find them fun to watch, and I will continue to do so, but I had the way they talk about cluster B disorders.

[@ethanmustdie]

True crime always gave off a weird vibe, espically with how much they put cops in a good light, excited to watch this :3

[@Swoulegard69]

"Has Robert Downey Jr. ever been canceled?" my brother in christ he did black face for a war movie

[@ginger_panapple]

I'm autistic and always give as much detail as possible about everything, I'm so getting arrested one of these days lmao

[@alexbrown7408]

I can't get over the first comment in the in-vid chat. "Mucus is gay?" lmfao are you kidding

[@brie200Xx]

Ngl, I feel like the narrator has no idea of how ppl feel abt law enforcment in general cuz even being innocent, being interrogated would scare me shitless

[@Kane42069]

the way the narrator talks is like he’s trynna reach a minimum word requirement for an essay😭

[@RecRoomPlays]

I for one am always acting fat. Just Homer Simpson going "Mmmm doughnuts" 24/7

[@GuntWastelander]

“This is known as the begging and pleading technique” lmao ☠️

[@Maya-hw2ny]

24:50 I feel like a cop is an imminent threat, even if they just say hi at a store 😭 they must know that people dont trust them, right??

[@maxineparry5887]

i hate to give any piggies credit but i think the reason they ask into the alibi so hard is so it's harder for him to deny it later

[@auggiet8380]

I dunno, after years of watching TC content, I can genuinely say that more often than not, police completely bungle the investigations. Incompetence, negligence, tampering, corruption, and mismanagement across the board. The cops in the TC content I watch and listen to are frequently pointed out for how stupidly or ineffectively they handle cases. Just a couple of days ago I listened to the case of Ebby Steppach. How the police treated her case was absolutely aberrant, and there was no reason for them to have just outright refuse to investigate. It brings up suspicions that there is a tie from the police to the perp(s). Without police, who are you going to call in an emergency to arrive late, shoot your dog, take a few notes, try to make you at fault, fail to investigate, and never follow up with you?

[@rottenmutt_]

Ethan reacting to true crime is something I never thought I needed. please do more of this !

[@notubercharged]

as a person who only wears bow ties and no other type of tie, i am offended that this policeperson wore one. this is fashion treason.

[@AG_KEMPER]

Dude, I grew up in the area where this crime took place. San Jose is a major highway with loads of traffic and cameras, so this guy is a huge idiot for taking it whilst committing a crime when he could have used so many back roads. I have been to Bonefish Grill many times. The narrator calling it a "diner" is hilarious because it's /slightly/ more upscale than what that moniker implies. That said, this "interrogation" absolutely tracks for JSO and does not surprise me.

[@MrCrimsonbolt]

I think it's nice that Ethan is so clueless about the police. It shows he's never really had to deal with them

[@DeathnoteBB]

For real 😅 I love Ethan’s content and a lot of other KZbinrs like him but… maaaaybe we should normalize *not* speaking on things we’re ignorant about as if we’re an authority on it. It happens *a lot* with white KZbinrs talking about issues with race, too. Or men talking about misogyny. They always miss things due to privileged ignorance or show their own bias.

[@user-ti2ph6qb1y]

I love your commentary and I love True Crime, I’m obsessed with you reacting to this!! I would love to see more of this

[@justanotherleftie]

I've seen lots of videos in this style (that popped up after JCS became more popular) that actually criticize the cops' actions

[@argos_lucien]

Nah, the spelling mistakes are whatever, but "I'll call you later when we get to where we're *glong* " made me laugh way too much

[@chaseyy987]

just wanna get away 🙂

[@Appl3beesBoneless]

I feel like we'd be better off with a vigilantly of queer teens than we are with the police.

[@DeathnoteBB]

14:19 Yes it is fatshaming when you call someone fat as an insult and say it’s their fault they’re fat. Just call them lazy and manipulative, as leaving suspects alone in an empty room for 90 minutes is an intimidation tactic to make people confess. No need to bring bodies into it at all.

[@antfromupthere1]

as someone who is acab and has also watched JCS’s videos a lot, it always just seemed like a very unbiased narration of the events and the strategies detectives used. plenty of his videos point out or are entirely about incompetent detectives, showing how corrupt they are. he literally points out how their entire goal is just to get a confession, he doesnt sugarcoat their job or glorify them at all.

[@Topboxicle]

I feel like I would be found guilty in this situation just because I would roast the shit out of the cops the moment they start begging with me.

[@Silliest-guy-the-ever]

Either Daisy Alice Tonner is the only reasonable cop, or i’m gay.

[@Matty__niice]

i'm a big true crime fan myself, but also very ACAB. when learning about cases and knowing the details it's insane how many investigations are stalled or straight up ruined because of police incompetence. interrogating officers like those in this video very rarely actually make much of a difference as far as an investigations go, they are just for show/for the jury when the case could potentially go to trial. In this particular instance the detectives actually had proof that showed their claim, but those detectives are allowed to say whatever they want to say to you even if they don't have a shred of evidence, that's why it's always better to use your right to remain silent and GET A LAWYER!!

[@jameschestnut9839]

And JCS gets wet when he notices people crossing or uncrossing their legs. Or when they scratch their forehead. When they yawn or hiccup. Because body language is obviously a serious technology and not a tool to be able to ignore evidence or forensics because you can just TELL when people are guilty, right? Especially if they have BLACK body language.

[@kuckag5710]

the polish cow is like a subway surfers video added to a tiktok

[@Boongur]

I definitely think the angle of "it's copaganda because you view from their perspective" is really weak. From my perspective, JCS further disgusted me, in terms of policing. It disolsys how even in a controlled environment, cops are just sick little goblins.

[@PlusSe7en]

"how long have you known her?" "here's every single time we ever did drugs together and how i felt about it"

[@EleanorDahlia]

i can't wait to see where peethan is glong :)

[@heartsforbrenda]

LMAOO

[@pieofchart]

This is like that one hyper realistic bodycam game where you just kill people

[@hand13932]

???????? meth comment

[@pieofchart]

@@hand13932 no the topic of copaganda just reminded me about the hyper realistic fps bodycam game, where you just aimlessly kill people in a cop power fantasy it's called Unrecord

[@axdonat]

the dancing cow in the corner is very random but makes me so happy

[@NatalieRose-u5t]

The worst, imo, is Disturban. He says shit like, "non-consensual sex/intercourse" instead of r-word or rape. There is no sex in rape, rape is a form of assault not love making.

[@cre-k8-ive]

Fun fact: Im my state it is illegal for public workers to strike or support or encourage public workers to strike. I hate that law. Its terrible and I'm doing what little I can to change it. But if we're going to fine teachers a quarter million for begging to be treated like humans, we should at least fine the police union for holding us hostage during a pandemic.

[@melmarimess6747]

YES THANK YOU i’ve been thinking this for the longest time tysm for talking ab it

[@SoftieDog]

Ethan's silly little laugh is legit the best one I've heard.

[@GrimmRider02]

i love this video format. genuinely love your content dude.