Is TV Girl Misogynistic?

[@lexiexcx]

i can’t wrap my head around the sheer amount of people who listen to TV Girl but also apparently hate them..? 😭

[@animefood0818]

its like black metal fans

[@matthewryan3504]

@@animefood0818tv girl to black metal pipeline

[@brianisaias4211]

For like they are all in line to watch them and they are just bashing them?? 😂

[@trveno]

they're like weezer fans

[@kenzo_2725]

@@trvenoLOL

[@ricardoediza2690]

One day psychologists will use NeopunkFM videos to understand our generation

[@eduardodiaz1662]

And yet still be confused

[@devenscience8894]

It really does help us old punks. Never heard the phrases "TV Girl" or "male manipulator" in my life. In fact, I have a theory that NeoPunkFM make up a couple of pieces of slang every video, just to keep older people confused and angry.

[@whispersinvenice]

real!

[@NGCS-ej4lz]

None of these people are original or new, its called Cluster B Personality Disorders, and they've always loved nothing else other then Social Media.

[@bigchune6306]

ive lost all hope

[@JosueOlvera-h1o]

Tv girl is actually known to be openly being cynalist and most of the songs are kind of a reflection, To give an example, the chorus of Birds Don't Sing explicitly talks about how his ex left him without warning or explanation. On the other hand, the verses clearly show him being an asshole and not listening to her, giving us the explanation behind their breakup that the singer has failed to grasp. So to me, the song is really about how it's hard to see your own flaws sometimes and it's much easier to pretend that the people who "wronged" you had no reason to do so, and there was nothing you could've done to prevent it. A song criticizing its own protagonist. I genuinely thought this was intentional.

[@shookysuga7090]

god i love TV girl

[@veezbeez4015]

ahh so glad i saw this comment. birds dont sing is my favorite tv girl for this exact reason

[@shookysuga7090]

@@veezbeez4015 Ahhhhb i love that song

[@austinsanders-983]

Saw this post on reddit.

[@notacynic677]

I also think that's similar to "Song About Me" where the first couple verses make it seem like the guy suffered a terrible breakup and the girl was an asshole, until Maddie's verse where you find out it's all a narrative he's built up inside his head to make himself the victim

[@hunterparker69]

People who term “male manipulator music” suffer from “music directly makes up my personality” disorder

[@slashparty]

but if music made up their personality, wouldn't they have time to actually analyze the lyrics?

[@jessicah4462]

@@slashparty no, they don’t. They just see a fan base they most want acceptance from and simply emulate. There’s zero synapses firing, no cognitive reasoning taking place.

[@Twistedsleep]

@@jessicah4462they wanna feel like they’re better than others because it makes them feel different probwbly

[@peachesandcream22]

People said the same shit about death metal, about Cannibal Corpse fans. They have this stereotype of obese man with black T-shirt and long greasy hair, which haven't been washed for years. Same about black metal. I just don't understand why people became so gatekeepy and call everyone who don't share the same life, views or interests "problematic". The "problematic" word lost its original meaning. Now people just throw different accusations on any public person, without any investigation or proof. To be "problematic", you need to do actually problematic things like stealing, cheating on someone, doing violence etc., not just having a playlist which wasn't liked by a stranger you don't know.

[@Twistedsleep]

@@peachesandcream22 exactly, I love death metal. It’s clear as hell the bands don’t literally want you to go kill people, it’s simply singing about it. Unless they’re actually acting on sruff they sing about, who cares? Problematic stuff in media does not mean it’s problematic, it depends how it’s shown and how it’s used

[@groses]

people act like its bad to find music through tiktok, it's just another way to find an artist you enjoy

[@averyj3428]

I think it seems a little bit shameful to a lot of people because it’s so popular, it makes them feel like a “normie” But it’s popular for a reason right? Because it’s likely pretty good

[@groses]

@@averyj3428 yeah, never be ashamed of being a normie

[@darkshadow_42069]

fr! Tiktok is how I found a lot of my favorite songs and artists. Idk how where I found my music affects anything.

[@SOMETIMENOISES]

It is bad in the sense that it’s just another promotion of listening to music digitally rather than going out on buying the album, which would actually benefit the artist. For example, often it’ll just be one or two really random “outlier songs” from an album that get big (or even just a clip from the songs) rather than the album becoming popular, and because people are hearing these individual songs on tiktok and then listening to those individual songs on Spotify or SoundCloud, the artist isn’t benefiting because people aren’t listening to their whole discography and buying the music. But it can be a good thing if someone actually likes their entire discography after discovering the artist through tiktok, and then decides to buy the music. So it’s complicated I guess

[@djswann8092]

@@SOMETIMENOISES I agree, that’s how I feel about Steve Lacy’s “bad habit” the album is great but from my experience people only really know about that one song from the album

[@D3c4yingb0n3s]

Something I’ve noticed in tv girl music is that a lot of the songs are told from an omniscient perspective. What happened with both the woman and the man. To me it’s always felt like reflecting on what went wrong with both party’s behavior.

[@paycheckmaxxx]

Yooo, my new song “outtamydreams!” finna blow up soon trust 🔥 ❤

[@lanatoneto3815]

I see it that way, too.

[@-Apathy-]

I exactly how I see it! That’s why I always get so annoyed when people call it misogynistic.

[@frostedfelony]

THANK YOU this is exactly what I see that it shows both sides, not just one side

[@missbimbeaux]

song about me is a GREEEEAAATTTTTT example of this! my favorite tv girl song too for that reason

[@KUM0]

Imagine if one of these two gets cancelled in the future for being a male manipulator himself, this video would be gold

[@dieselbaby]

now that you've said it out loud, it might be manifested into existence

[@Speedojesus]

Time is a flat circle my friend.

[@JupiterBlue..]

It would age very well

[@HunkAjunK_CL]

Being a fan of neopunkfm is like being a male manipulater thats being manipulated

[@gweenyz]

connor eats pants bit.

[@adamlagerqvist8111]

So true

[@drewbocop]

from male manipulator to male manipulated 😞

[@h.brickers1169]

Real

[@nico-qk8dd]

w okada pfp

[@mallsoftvaporwave4362]

as a very avid tv girl listener, tv girl kinda feels like a sarcastic take on misogynistic men's worldview. i've listened to tv girl for years and have loved their music through and through edit 11/7/23: ty for the likes! i want to offer a bit more of an explanation into my thinking, i keep checking back on this comment randomly and getting surprised im still practically the top comment anyways, im autistic, sarcasm isnt usually something i understand well. HOWEVER, the misogynistic character of tv girl isnt exactly, just, sarcasm. the main 'character' throughout the songs is just that, a character, not just a sarcastic joke. this is a trope being portrayed through music that has people that fit the trope in real life. its like watching a movie almost but in song. other autistic people might understand where im going with the movie thing LOL but ya, its like recognizing all the patterns / tropes in a movie and knowing whats going to happen in it because of that. you can just kinda tell at some point that the tv girl character is a misogynist after listening to their music long enough. i dont really see how you can overlook it edit 12/7/23: checking back up on this comment again, agree with the first replier's edit :]

[@Sagowie]

This is what I thought, his tone sounds so sarcastic I thought he was playing a character Edit: I agree with the original commenter's edit lmao.

[@dogchaser520]

It's like the kids can't understand irony these days, it's so confusing. Did we pass through too much post-irony that sincerity is the only thing people understand?

[@emmi999]

that’s what i thought! in songs like Every Stupid Actress or Not Allowed the lyrics are so blatantly or straightforwardly misogynistic that it’s clearly ironic/sarcastic

[@anikanamisu2456]

THIS!!!

[@VinnytotheK]

I haven't listened to a single song by them, but if it's not ironic, isn't it similar to what Taylor Swift songs are?

[@gibbyjibby0]

I truly don’t understand people that fall in love with someone JUST based on music taste. I pray for them.

[@StrangerBillie]

We should make them all watch 500 Days of Summer so they see what happens

[@nonpondo_]

I like when people have a similar music taste as me but in terms of dating that's a red flag, I listen to too much turnover and balance and composure, 90% chance you're a crazy person if you listen to the same

[@maquelinemyojo3999]

​@@StrangerBillieimmediate snap back to reality 😌

[@Blahaj-official]

Vocaloid fans ❤️

[@fatimazeee]

@@StrangerBillie lmaoo reall

[@Whey4344]

I'm sorry but listening to certain music does not define what kind of person you are. My lanky history teacher who only wears sweaters, stands in perfect posture and is always polite and sensible only listens to death metal.

[@Moss-and-T3A]

FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT

[@L0vrzR0ck]

literally, one of my PE teachers who is a buff manly dude plays lana del rey and stuff when we run laps

[@tiahnarodriguez3809]

It depends. Lots of people who listen to Summer Walker, Sexy Red, etc are living the lift style they sing about. Death metal is notorious for people of all types liking them, so it’s not a good comparison compared to other genres. You really think Taylor Swift fans aren’t living the life she sings about? The reason why many of these artists have fans is because they connect to their music. Wither because it sounds good, or they relate to it.

[@JupiterBlue..]

That is so real

[@theautismrizzler]

Honestly, I’m a loud punk but I listen to fucking kpop daily 😭😭

[@jungcooque6360]

if tv girl is misogynistic, how yall feel about the weeknd and shit? 💀

[@ethansbmo8730]

i feel like people at least at a surface level understand the misogyny present in the weekend’s discography and world he’s created. tv girl is not as opaque with its depictions of women and its joking philosophy on intimacy and dating present throughout their music. i could probably give a dissertation on every example of misogyny and misogynoir in the weeknd’s music but tv girl lore is comparably a little bit more difficult to grasp so people toss the blanket statement of male manipulator music over it without dissecting it further

[@jungcooque6360]

@@ethansbmo8730 u explained it so well

[@egyptianspaceodin1373]

hip hop and R&B have very often gotten a pass

[@user----------------------z377]

Imagine if americans who complain about tv girl being mysoginistic saw shit like Dani Flow or even, like you just said, The Wkeend

[@kaitomastuda6262]

Tbh I love TV girl and I hate the weekends music 😭😂

[@genever_lover]

"i'm not a male manipulator" that's exactly what a male manipulator would say

[@paycheckmaxxx]

Yooo, my new song “outtamydreams!” finna blow up soon trust 🔥 ❤

[@MeanBeanComedy]

Yeah, but it's also what someone who's not a male manipulator would say.

[@averagesnail]

im a male manipulator

[@hollyhock9638]

​@@averagesnailI am way more male manipulator than you scuzz baby alright I don't take showers and eat three year old food out of the garbage get my level Tweety Weiner 💥💥💥👹💥💥💥

[@A_H1kikOm0ri]

​@@averagesnail hmmm...seems like what a male manipulatorn't would say ...

[@jaq8604]

Listen to what you want and dress how you want. Anyone can be a manipulator despite what music or clothes they’re into. Smh

[@paycheckmaxxx]

Yooo, my new song “outtamydreams!” finna blow up soon trust 🔥 ❤

[@TheInfamousLegend27]

@@paycheckmaxxx took one listen and it sounds kinda shite icl xD

[@Rain-Cxndy]

Wow, that song was actually really shit! XD ​@@paycheckmaxxx

[@thewholethingithinkissic]

@@paycheckmaxxx your song sucks

[@sullengirl222]

Neopunkfm never fails to fry my brain cells and replace them with certified bangers

[@ghostmouse4978]

Sheeeeesh

[@nicolascagenumberonefangirl]

w pfp

[@sullengirl222]

@@nicolascagenumberonefangirl w username

[@theoriginalchefboyardee1740]

being a neo punk fm fan is like being a misogynist

[@FishVirus]

being a misogynist is like being a neopunkfm fan

[@mygills3050]

being a being is like manipulating a misogynist

[@marib.364]

i feel like tv girl actually has more fans who are women who complain the music is misogynistic. i’m under the assumption it’s satire and people are just afraid to admit they like music that is “problematic” without writing a thesis on why it is as they give money to the artist by using their audios. just like how lana del rey and marina also had satirical albums and the point flew over young female audiences heads. or courtney love, who has an entire “riot grrrl” tiktok fanbase who claims to hate but dresses exactly like and will not stop talking about her.

[@slashparty]

another case: i've always said that the 1975 is to men what taylor swift is to women. the taylor fanbase might kill me for this but hear me out. (im excluding matty's actions outside of music) the 1975's music is often called misogynistic but taylor's music is hardly ever called misandrist even though they both aren't. the 1975 is just the teenage boy experience. yes, teenage boys are horny and make bad decisions, they're not like taylor swift's girls who are conserved and indulge in classy poetry and going through heartbreaks. but if im nitpicking through both of their music, i can easily take a lot of lyrics out of context to make both of them look bad. especially lana del rey, my god. i love all of their music though, and none of them deserve to be called misogynist or misandrist.

[@mistybreezy9084]

I like what you used to build your point but its NOT the same thing , Have you seen the history books ? Men have a bad reputation Any “satire” against women just feels way too literal and its simply put unfunny.

[@tomfriendly2412]

@@mistybreezy9084Cry about it. This isn’t history class. It’s real life, and women are not perfect angelic creatures.

[@mistybreezy9084]

@@tomfriendly2412 i never said they were , But if we’re talking about mysoginy which is the topic of the video , “misandry” and mysoginy does NOT go both ways ,

[@dexxis_cornerr1542]

personally i look at it like how aeyesha erotica fans are, i found her music from tiktok bc a lot of her songs are popular there but shes racist and that's like a problem for me because i'm black, i'm still singing her song that's popular on tiktok tho... i separate the music from the artist.

[@ZoloftKit]

As a long-time TV Girl listener, I’ve always viewed their music as satirically intuitive, suggesting that they’re aware of the sarcastic yet often true nature of the lyrics. Every TV Girl song tells a story, one about love, loss, and/or misfortune in romance. What I find appealing about them is that they are an all male band whom writes about relationships from the man’s perspective.

[@paycheckmaxxx]

Yooo, my new song “outtamydreams!” finna blow up soon trust 🔥 ❤

[@nonpondo_]

Isn't that kind of what tv girl means, seems as though every song is a plot line of the episode of a sitcom from the dudes perspective dating a tv girl, just a bunch of stuff happening that gets embellished

[@Nonesenselogic]

I feel like the songs are just the protagonist venting, he knows he is wrong, but he wants just to let it out

[@mart1an._fangs]

exactly. it was never a realistic pov, kinda just lighthearted.

[@taylorofford]

as a male manipulator i can confirm everything

[@lexiexcx]

LMFAAAAO

[@kate7152]

thank you for confirming

[@mamamiaWAAAHHH]

Same bro, can we manipulate women together? 😋😋

[@thedontknowshow2145]

i stand by that

[@cruelothers]

same

[@fruit2540]

According to Brad on a Twitter post from 2021: "Please do not call me a misogynist. I identify as a nihilistic misanthrope and i ask you please respect that." Kinda comical

[@yougotitwrongiknowit700]

If by comical you mean, the guy just out himself then ye, it really is. I could hear some random incel pull that exact same sentence out of their ass.

[@socire72]

@@yougotitwrongiknowit700The lyrics arent mysogynistic at all. Anything that challenges a womans worldview is misogynistic apparently lol

[@user-sg4ov7ng4h]

? its written in the pov of bad people so idk how you didn't get it@@socire72

[@ReddBubbles]

@@socire72 bro isnt listening 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[@coldjam]

@tubbolard6514same, bradley music man has ruined our brain chemistry

[@neomneomgyu3607]

i listen to tv girl but i never once considered their lyrics misogynistic.. or maybe that's just a me-problem and me being ignorant 😭😭💀

[@terra5857]

same tbh

[@neomneomgyu3607]

@@terra5857 this is unrelated but ur yunjin pfp is literally perfection 😭‼️

[@terra5857]

@@neomneomgyu3607 thank you 🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@gabu_hyu7116]

@@pimkinn same lmao

[@always_forever7093]

That’s what I’m saying, I’m just vibing

[@Mienarrr]

Ya know. I don't think its a question of is it for boys or girls but rather are you getting the message behind it or not. I don't know a terribly lot about this band, so take this with a grain of salt but this whole thing reminds me of Fight club. That films message is interwoven with the story being a satire of hyper masculinity, yet a lot of people (in this particular instance: especially men) don't get the message and repeat the same toxic quotes as if they are devoid of any underlying message, ultimately making it the exact thing it was trying to condemn. If you like the lyrics for its misogynistic content you are ultimately missing the point. But id argue that both men and women are equally as capable of getting versus glossing over it.

[@chang3025]

exactly!!

[@tsunkies]

i love fight club

[@zahraali-v6n]

THIS!! exactly that. I think people gloss over the perspective and how the lyrics are written to tell a story

[@OrimoWtf]

so this video did not clear anything up i love it

[@kite6462]

i thought it was just me 💀💀

[@tunisiangoldfarmer1508]

Nahh I was tryna find out thru the comments if many lyrics are misogynistic or not and had the vid playing and just kept reading and reading, the vid took such a detour

[@liaaaaa910]

i got so emotional recently listening to one of their songs because of how misogynistic it was because it made me realize my ex viewed me that way (esp since he's the one who introduced me to tv girl 💀) but honestly you can tell from the subtle and not so subtle bits in their songs that it really is just satirical and the singer is acutely aware of his own flaws and immaturity. in "song about me" there's literally a whole verse where the girl is calling him out on his shit and talking about how hypocritical he is, and in "birds don't sing" it is sooo obvious in my opinion that you're supposed to realize the singer is treating her horribly and not listening to her. i also think that women tend to be the subject of their music but not always the message. "cigarettes out the window" has a chain smoker as its subject, but the underlying theme is about the emptiness of life, and "the blonde" talks about a girl who is a natural blonde in the lyrics, but the song is actually a commentary on beauty in society. the lyrics definitely come off as whiny, "she left me so now i hate women," incel-y, male manipulator bangers, but i think the artists themselves are self aware and are portraying a flawed character.

[@paycheckmaxxx]

Yooo, my new song “outtamydreams!” finna blow up soon trust 🔥 ❤

[@Usergg-1320]

You wrote this perfectly 😭 I agree with all of this

[@prismatic1239]

Yeesh what a chatterbox 🥱💀👹

[@your_mom_is_my_dad]

I agree. Most of the time the lyrics come across as "She doesn't know what she wants, I know better, I break a lance for her yet she still fs up, she has double standards, she only wants to use men for pleasure but hurts herself while doing it because she is weak" which really... Isn't an accurate depiction of women at all and doesn't paint a nuanced light. If it were one kind of a song about one girl that would make sense, but they all are like this, which is why it doesn't come off as nuanced or realistic anymore. So maybe either the singer's dating/singing about a very strange kind of woman every damn time and dates them even though he knows they upset him or he/his character, the common perpetrator in all the scenarios, may partly be at fault, in contrast to what is sung about. It's highly likely that they're aware of that. I read in an interview the singer likes to vent about frustrations in his song he knows that are wrong to say to somebody irl. Thing is in my opinion if you have/have to vent these views of the opposite gender in the first place and don't have a nuanced view of relationships and why a man/a woman does what he/she does, then there might be some issues with your thinking you'd have to work through.

[@frogg_face]

@@prismatic1239 I understand that you’re illiterate, but no need for name calling

[@omarperezpulido2388]

Several years ago, my band opened for them in North Carolina on 4/20. They're super cool people, and the crowd was having fun staring at the ceiling.

[@BigDeepz]

no way thats sick! I'm from NC. what was your band's name?

[@mattdayne2585]

Ashville?

[@commi3fr0g]

i’m living in nc! i’m from philly tho

[@Yourbestfriendmax]

i just like the sounds, sounds and rhythm, and that's how i pick my music. Its good to appreciate art (music in this case) no matter the artist, and no matter the fan-base. Stray away from gatekeeping, and love music. also i love this video, keep it up NEOPUNKFM

[@G8tr1522]

exactly how i pick my favorites. i only listen to lyrics after i get bored of the music, lol i'm curious what you listen to then

[@quietman208]

I just wonder if y’all would keep this same energy if it was Neonazi lyrics or calling for genocide. I just find it interesting how everyone says they don’t care about lyrics but the only examples given are the ones that are hateful to women.

[@Jeremy-hx7zj]

​​@@quietman208that's because basically no one ever comes across neo Nazi lyrics in songs. Most songs are about romance, however, so you do see a lot of gender politics at play. You listen to artists with problematic lyrics and/or behavior too, so don't get to eager to climb on a high horse and ride off into the sunset.

[@meatgrinder9506]

@@Jeremy-hx7zjWhat if a NSBM band is really good?

[@arrebarre900]

@@Jeremy-hx7zjWait until you discover black metal

[@carlossantacruz1320]

the girl at @ 3:00 is ironically referring to that song Blue Hair by TV Girl 😭

[@vreyaiscool]

THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING

[@emmuhr3273]

no this actually happened, im her

[@JackFKennedy1987]

@@emmuhr3273source?/j

[@hesherette]

"a guy does not want a female's attention" "...i...i do" "...well most guys dont" lmfaooo

[@froggin-zp4nr]

I want to know what planet she's on so I can go there to get some attention

[@chilli1472]

to be fair, most guys are gay

[@boogaloo_weed]

funny how wrong she was lol

[@potatoman7594]

I like how its literally the complete opposite, MOST men (especially "alphas" and shit like that) are so starved for a woman's attention they'll literally change their own bodies to get it.

[@jarvisjackson4833]

most female attention is not attention but wanting attention from the man. Women ask and don't give.

[@coolthingsbyjames]

This video somehow managed to say everything and nothing at the same time, impressive

[@m0odiEsubz23]

Why?

[@valerievalentine6444]

ive been a tv girl fan for over 3 years, the fandom is almost nonexistent, its just the people who say they like tv girl music use the relatability of the lyrics as a means to their greed, other than that, it has nothing to do with the band since this is mostly an audience issue, "male manipulators" lurk in other fandoms or audiences of similar artists as well, due to their resonance to the female audience, such as the smith and alex g which were mentioned in this video. other notable ones are deftones, the cure, radiohead and weezer. its the "losercore" that draws them in. much love to tv girl tho!

[@gx1tar1er]

So the band's fanbase is smaller than most people think right?. I think this tells why TikTok doesn't translate well to the real fanbase. I guess it's similar to what happened to Steve Lacy (where most can't sing a whole song).

[@Omar-lq3ri]

@@gx1tar1eraint even much of a fanbase to begin with. I really love their music but cant talk about it or anything else

[@Alex-pe7yw]

@@gx1tar1er I think it has to do with the broader trend of how music is being commodified these days because of streaming services and platforms like Tik Tok. Far more emphasis on the smallest, most easily digestable/marketable units of music whether that be singles (since everyone listens to playlists and not albums) or even just 10-15 second long soundbites (like the chorus of that Steve Lacey song you mentioned), both of which demand a lot less interaction with the artist, so its harder to gauge what it means to be a "fan" or have a "fandom". Tons of people have flocked to a select few of these bands like TV Girl or Deftones because they get packaged with another marketable image or identify (goth, alt, ____-core), but it often doesn't reflect a lasting interest or materialize into further engagement with the genres of these bands. That's my rant.

[@SpeedKing..]

Nah Weezer was for us loser guys from the start

[@JackFKennedy1987]

@@SpeedKing..fr tho like the album theyre most known for is just them standing awkwardly on a blue background

[@OriginalItsFly]

Never realized that TV Girl blew up. Got to see them years ago supporting Elvis Depressedly and it was one of my favorite gigs don't think I could see them now with the toxic fanbase lmao.

[@layunin2941]

I had no idea they blew up either. I listened to them back when Elvis Depressedly released Holo Pleasures. We're just boomers now, man.

[@OriginalItsFly]

@@layunin2941 holo pleasures is hard weird to see that it's ten years old now

[@hytydeherping]

i’ve been obsessed with elvis depressedly (and his other projects like coma cinema) for awhile now. i’d love to see him live.

[@yamimimiya]

Sticking out your gyat for the rizzler You're so skibidi You're so fanum tax I just wanna be your sigma

[@cheesist6998]

you're so skibidi you're so fanum tax

[@trollge3712]

This Is TV Girl

[@vulfura]

I’m going to kill myself

[@kayzzzzzzzzz]

autism

[@pewter3969]

tv girl if it was good

[@NaniteAlex]

“Men don’t listen unless they’re gay” 😂 I felt so seen. I enjoy TV Girl not from the manipulator angle at all but from the acceptance and loss angle of some songs like Song About Me and Heaven is a Bedroom. I’ll agree it’s not the healthiest music and some songs are inappropriate but some songs are touching and catchy.

[@saladman420]

I’ve never related to something more

[@Implosion-Gaming]

I dont use tik tok and I found it on apple music and it was an awesome album. I dont really get the manipulator aspect but its a solid album to feel emotions over a song.

[@mallsoftvaporwave4362]

real

[@GrandpaMadeMeSwallow]

When she said that I died a bit inside

[@chiro556]

As a simple 26-year-old girl who barely listened to Tv Girl because of "Not allowed", I'm going to say: "these kids lack street." But seriously, I know that the kids who appear in the video are still zoomers who have too much to live, but even I at that age would find it laughable to assume a person's personality through their musical tastes: it's like that old boomer myth that "you are automatically a genius only if you listen to Mozart after half an hour". In Latin America we have some artists like Romeo Santos and Ricardo Arjona who are known for their quite questionable lyrics due to their content that is considered misogynistic today, and although it would seem that it seems dedicated to "manipulative and misogynistic men" in general they are mainly listened to by ordinary ladies and housewives who only put it on in the background while they do their chores.

[@heavenly2k]

I dont think anyone you interviewed is very educated about what constitutes as misogyny and what constitutes as good faith arguments. It feels like nuance was thrown out the door but then again you interviewed literal teenagers off the street that get their music taste from tik tok. TV Girl's lyrics could be misogynistic whether ironically or genuinely, but these people taught me nothing about that.

[@vixenvxce1063]

It's people making issues out of nothing.

[@MsZsc]

Weezer is also misogynistic then

[@audreyharper1234]

@@vixenvxce1063it’s definitely not out of nothing, there is a problematic nature to the lyrics but this video tells us nothing abt it and the ppl saying it was a problem couldn’t really list an actual reason why

[@iSnowbAlLxx2]

@@audreyharper1234 because there really is no reason. yes if you take the lyrics at face value it looks problematic but TV Girls whole shtick is creating songs with problematic lyrics with it all being satire. its like saying rap songs are problematic because of the lyrics that seem to promote the use of drugs, overdosing, alcoholism and murder because they take it at face value when its all just trying to tell a story.

[@vixenvxce1063]

@@audreyharper1234 Making songs with lyrics addressing heavy topics doesn't make them problematic. That's like saying it's "immoral" for Hozier to make a song about domestic violence, or that Future is "controversial" for making a song mentioning drugs. It's not wrong to address taboo subjects in a way that makes it satirical, hypothetical, or brings awareness to them. They aren't misogynistic.

[@C3ntip3d3_C4nnib4l]

I am a male manipulator (I am a 13 year-old alternative girl.)

[@sceneshootergirl88]

same. (i’m emo scene and i hate men and i’m nb)

[@TheTio]

that potent shaking of the head at 3:55 then nodding after the girl says yes is supreme

[@a3a2_ogtw]

there was a cut between that though

[@coltenbystrom9973]

It's baffling how much brain rot there is on the internet, especially when it comes to making absurd claims with a complete lack of reasoning, research, or actual understanding of what the person is making a claim about.

[@lolrentz]

I like TV Girls music because when I listen to his music i never feel like im supposed to root for him or think hes the good guy in his situation. He sings songs about being in a mutually empty relationship with someone. I just relate to the shit that I relate to and then laugh at the sad and sarcastic misogyny our pathetic singer uses as a coping mechanism.

[@Befyoutube]

You get it

[@GDNachoo]

LOUDER FOR THE PEEPS IN THE BACK I SAY

[@Grass-seedling]

I think it is purposely misogynistic for a reason. Society is inherently misogynistic but no one usually looks at it or listens. It's kinda how "Hey Ya!" by Outkast in the way no one listens to the lyrics but they love the music.

[@bauhausliker0]

“you don’t wanna hear me you just wanna dance”

[@commi3fr0g]

i love outkast

[@fengxii]

I learn so much about zoomer culture through this channel

[@layunin2941]

it helps me connect with my son

[@nbeutler1134]

@@layunin2941you don’t have a son

[@abasement666]

Dude are these people not AI?? Im in this age range and i have no idea where you can even find these types of people in real life. Its fascinating

[@Kcoolin]

I think the real male manipulators are the friends we made along the way. Its really the fans that are there for different reasons though. Some people love the production like me, others relate to the lyrics. The lyric crowd seems like the more interviewed in this video fosho

[@kyogeni]

not to be rude but the girl at 4:44, it's the double standards for me. so many female artists or bands literally sing 99% of their songs about breakups (yk like taylor swift) and that's okay but the second it's a guy it's not okay. also, as an avid tv girl listener, trans, and bi guy it's not misogynistic, i can sing most of the songs word for word line by line and most of it is actually about more than just a guy who wants to f*ck girls but can't. a lot of them can be interpreted differently or in a non-sexual way some examples: lovers rock - about how love can be fleeting but great in the moment blue hair - can be about seeing change in yourself or others and not knowing how to feel the blonde - this one is literally a song about how people feel the need to change themselves to be more likeable loving machine - being afraid of losing people or being betrayed safeword - literally about safe sex it almost worked - honestly this could be about self improvement or suicide and failing at it better in the dark - being self-conscious way and that's just a few songs!! lmk how you see the tv girl songs bcs yeah ^^

[@nobody584]

You’re a true fan bro 🙌

[@Meaty_Aberration]

3:00 she cut all of her beautiful blue hair off :(

[@shreyaspamaraju262]

Bam bam bam, bam bam bam :(

[@dinobot7025]

The guy at 3:58 shakes his head no but after hearing the girl's answer he changes his opinion. The manipulators are everywhere.

[@MagnificentlyHighAlien]

That, and what makes her think that gay men can't be manipulators?

[@froggin-zp4nr]

@@MagnificentlyHighAlien Women are lowkey homophobic if it means they can dunk on straight men that hurt their feelings in the hopes they are insecure about their sexuality.

[@a3a2_ogtw]

there was a cut in between that though, she probably elaborated but it was cut

[@potatoman7594]

​@@MagnificentlyHighAlienthere is a huge problem with women underestimating gay men and objectifying them. like you'll always hear "he's my gay friend" like he's a token that they collected, as such they'll often assume they're capable of no harm, which isn't true.

[@shellszhine]

Strangest thing is that in their song "Not allowed", they continuously sample an All-Female band that mocks Misogyny as well. I think this shows a bit of foreshadowing on who they truly are, and the multiple layers of their songs.

[@crypticoolkid]

i started listening right after who really cares came out and i am so god damn proud of them. i couldnt even get my hands on tickets to their show in my area! the way i view their music is like listening to someone's life from the outside. i know i'll never relate to (most of) their songs, so it's just like hearing someone talk about their life, somewhat like a story. so overall, very happy for their massive success :)

[@silvy3047]

Pony pfp

[@F4wnprincess]

I’m not a male manipulator I’m just a lesbian 😭😭😭

[@loverofyurigagarin1149]

But like manipulative music

[@waylonpatterson]

That's something a male manipulator would say

[@jasminnyreal]

me too 😭

[@sorrymyenglishbad2535]

Drake?

[@sophierescigno5064]

BRO SAME, I LITERALLY ALWAYS CONSIDERED TVGIRL TO BE "LESBIAN MUSIC" AND I ALWAYS ASSOCIATE IT TO THE LESBIAN EXPERIENCE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND AHAHAHAHSHAH

[@casperscool9651]

omg there was nothing they could do to stop cut her from cutting her beautiful blue hair off 😢😢😢

[@540wildin4]

5:43 you just ruined that girls entire self perception in like 7 seconds

[@dollthing-official1318]

Neopunk made another video making fun of male manipulators and I stay eating it up

[@NeoPunkFM]

this the last one we swear

[@LeaveMeDead]

say sike@@NeoPunkFM

[@mossw4ste]

i love watching the new neopunk fm video while I sit alone and eat my frozen tv dinner.

[@vietnamsemonky4082]

These kind of people are the worst type of people, nothing going on in their heads.

[@floppathegorilla]

Can I just actually enjoy TV Girl and not be called a manipulator 🥺

[@Bodhini]

thank u for covering this. my bf of 4 years cheated on me at a tv girl concert i begged him to not go to that concert with that girl

[@carter5323]

shoulda seen the signs

[@Bodhini]

@@carter5323 HE DIDNT EVEN LISTEN TO TV GIRL 😭😭😭

[@allieiscool]

off topic but love the kotoura-san pfp i dont see many ppl into that anime

[@Bodhini]

@@allieiscool it was the first anime i ever watched i pressed random on crunchyroll and its still an all time favorite

[@dakota8879]

@@Bodhini first time i've seen someone even mention the anime, i remember watching the first episode and being completely shocked after that.

[@StarRealmMika]

2:20 The guy on the right,why he staring into my soul like that?

[@JahongirUrinov-p7l]

Lmaoo

[@xSolitari]

I dont listen to their songs for sex or to manipulate women, I listen because I love the sounds and how it flows and all the musical creativity in the samples and melody! My favorites are: Cigarettes Out the Window Not Allowed Lovers Rock Not Allowed has some definitely interesting samples, I still like the sounds though!

[@Isaac-fp2dj]

I'm a guy who listens to Tv Girl. I just like the instrumentals and melodies. The lyrics are always pretty catchy and flow well. I don't really listen to hard to the lyrics, I just vibe to the rhythm.

[@suno186]

this is a great example of what happens when people start correlating music with personalities

[@brokemono]

Didn't know, I just randomly found them on Spotify and liked a few songs. Cigarettes out the window, lovers rock, and it almost worked, those are the only TV Girl songs I’ve got in my playlists. If I think about it, I guess I like them because they remind me of stuff I heard as a kid. My dad’s a musician (whole side of the family too), so I grew up hearing all kinds of shit. Right now, I’m looking into them more. I was reading the lyrics of the songs I like and just thought they were experiences turned into songs. Didn’t realize they had a deeper meaning. I don't think it's male manipulator music though, it's just poking fun at something or calling some bullshit out. I dunno.

[@AngieSaucedo-mb9nb]

oh! That was quick.. 0:32

[@BloxTheBox7]

Dude it's not abt tht. I'm a skater boy alr, and honestly I have never found a community that actually respects us skater boys and girls until I found tv girl and many more. They are bands for goodness sake. I love Radiohead and i love tv girl and I love many others. U can't stereotype someone for what they listen to. An example can be telling a teen that they are always moody (part of it is true ngl) and saying that they steal stuff and ect. But yea. I love tv girl and I will keep listening to them no matter what. Don't listen to anyone guys. Do what your heart tells you to do.

[@rebekah09]

tv girl's music is just a disgustingly beautiful prtrayal of the POV of relationships for men who aren't self aware. I have yet to ever hear a bad song by tv girl. listen to everything they've made. I stand by the opinion that it's somewhat satirical in a funny way, not funny "haha" but funny "it's crazy how easy it is to enjoy insane lyrics when they're said correctly over gorgeous background music." as a girl who loves tv girl with my whole soul, you can also love their music as long as you understand how bad the lyrics are

[@marsstars8168]

"They eat hot chip they charge phone" you can't say NOBODY got that

[@rainiwakura2430]

LOL 5:51 is like the moment in Shawshank Redemption where the warden pulls off the poster to see an escape hole 💀💀💀

[@badger4395]

They're talking about me, thank you for boosting my ego

[@badger4395]

I'm 6.4ft and I can cook by the way.

[@CarLoverSparkk]

⁠@@badger4395nobody cares by the way

[@badger4395]

@@CarLoverSparkk Idk but thank you for stopping by tho. I'm glad that you cared enough to post a reply to a comment that I probably made when I was high.

[@CarLoverSparkk]

@@badger4395 LMAO

[@Limereance]

@@badger4395it’s ok *I* care.

[@KillerMoth3663]

4:43 What's the difference between them and some female artists talking about the same stuff. Taylor swift almost exclusively talks about her breakups.

[@thesushicat2674]

Really good point! People dont understand that its aroblem if its a woman doing the thing a man does

[@Threatto]

1:56 dude whatever music people listen to or wear has zero to no correlation on how they act

[@amazingmrpig6369]

Imagine death metal mfs if this was a fact ☠️

[@reidmckee7324]

if TV girl fans are the girls who got manipulated, what is the male equivalent fandom? like what band's fans represent males that got manipulated

[@loss.of.appetite]

incelcore lol

[@chrisbeaumont4630]

Radiohead immediately springs to mind. The majority of Midwest emo too.

[@eljeff1111]

Turnover

[@vixo551]

Lady Gaga

[@KennyComan]

Joji perhaps, though I feel like that could apply to both? Just sad boy music in general though

[@ghostmouse4978]

I found tv girl through the misogynistic lyrics

[@pixelzebra8440]

Takin what’s not yours reminds me of how my parents always fought about belonged to them after their divorce and how they really don’t know if the other one really cares about the things

[@kewl-asian]

I don’t know but I’m a girl and I think TV girl perfectly captured the female experience of what its like to be in an intimate relationship with a guy. It’s like a boy who loved a girl enough to know her secrets and flaws but not enough to fully understand her

[@Ace_Stranger_Things]

3:00 literally blue hair reference

[@MrBackman85213]

Is tv girl misogynistic? Short answer "No" Long answer "NOoooooooo"

[@toongamer2810]

6:14 she is NOT cooking

[@boisarecuteness]

thats a bad mindset

[@accountrandomnumber182]

How is it Misogynistic? We're making fun of her cuz she misheard "due" for "dude". Though idk why say "I do", creepy.

[@magsempty]

i’m a male manipulator and i do not listen to tv girl. though you can’t deny the misogynistic undertones in their music so maybe i should give them a listen.

[@JacksonHess-jc4il]

I first found tv girl by browsing through Apple Music. The first song I ever heard of there’s was “not aloud” and I just fell I love with it

[@TsukasaUtau]

I don't understand the reason why people always seek to assign a gender to art. Preventing people from listening to something just because they are men is really sexist, and it makes me extremely angry that it is so supported. It's almost the same as horoscopes... gurl, a band doesn't define the entire personality and psychological traits of a person

[@iloveranpomorethanyou]

I thought a male manipulator was a manipulator... who is a man... You're telling me there's a whole aesthetic too ?

[@roniemacaroni864]

This felt like a post judge Judy Court interview

[@kaypllaje]

🤣

[@NHR_Music]

I feel like i just got brain damage

[@maxwrob1398]

can we not enjoy music now without being accused of something

[@lordofthefemboys]

eh…

[@flo-o3c]

fr like idc i just wanna listen to whatever tf i want pls 😭😭

[@heinoustentacles5719]

no. music is a satanic influence. lyrics are magic spells that will brainwash you. They should have banned it in the 80s like Tipper Gore planned.

[@robertw6894]

i dont even listen to the lyrics it just slaps

[@deadjnkie]

a group of toxic relationships all linked to tv girl or another male manipulator band would be a good plot for a south park episode

[@jgt1120]

2:13 bro is manipulating us in real time

[@justincarpenter7254]

Being a neopunkfm fan is like being a neopunkfm fan

[@TreyDZd]

I found out about so many different artists thanks to this channel. First Semetary, now i rly wanna give TV Girl a try

[@julianowen9787]

please don’t

[@juxx9628]

they're pretty good or he i don't know i just listen to lovers rock and its fire

[@TheGoobsters]

Listen to "one of these mornings" like holy shite it's great

[@mervunit]

I often forget how dumb and shallow young people are. I finally understand my dad's disappointment.

[@jessed6151]

For real, they all talk in internet language just repeating the same stupid thing they just said because they're disingenuous people trying to act cool for a camera, you can tell whos a try hard on camera when they speak and who isn't, internet has truly rotted some of the young gens brains

[@Fuhknelan]

lmao fr , especially the one girl. im guessing shes around my age and i do admit im a bit young and dumb my self, but she has such a shallow callous way of thinking

[@potatoman7594]

​@@Fuhknelan"the one girl" bro there's like 10 ur gonna have to be more specific

[@Fuhknelan]

@@potatoman7594 one with no chin thought itd be obvius since she seems to be the most shallow one

[@zirconiumaloe]

young people are always dumb. but a lot of these girls in the videos were like abused or groomed so it's not that hard to see why.

[@tilebreakers]

6:14 She does not know what guys really think

[@KennyComan]

I don't blame her, if all you're confronted with is misogynistic garbage then it's easy to think that that's all there is. At the end of the day we are all limited by our own perspective and live in a world where the majority of people are incapable or unwilling to communicate their emotions properly. Add some internalized misogyny in there and you have a recipe for... whatever this video is lol.

[@linarigsbee_]

@@KennyComan correct

[@brain_moon959]

​@@linarigsbee_wait! what 🙄🙄

[@linarigsbee_]

@@brain_moon959 i’m the girl bro

[@Christian-ve4pg]

Jumpscared the shit outta me

[@complicated_smurf7476]

As a TV Girl fan of maybe 2 years (not from tiktok), I really enjoy seeing takes about TV Girl's lyrics and the band's possible misogyny, so thank you for this video. I'm currently doing reserach for a presentation about media that perpetuates the mindset of a toxic internal loop that women/afabs might have during a traumatic period in their lives. I'm using charcters from shows and movies as examples but I'm also including a lot of TV Girl and Lana lyrics (diet mountain dew, death of a party girl, and every stupid actress), because I think that they showcase how beautiful, sad, lonely, and mistreated women/afabs are still seen as mysertious and intriguing. I used to be in a really bad place and when I discovered TV Girl, I became easier to feel bad (in a way that I still can't describe), but also, listening to TV Girl turned into a coping mechanism for me to just get through the day while going through traumatic events. Nowadays, I'm just incredibly familiar with the music (not too sad anymore, yay!) and haven't really stopped listening. But anyways, I think that the ability of the people you interviewed to just tell you their experiences with male manipulators shows my point. Super interesting video! :)

[@heinoustentacles5719]

you should have listened to 'Funkytown' by Lipps Inc, or other groovy music. Also you keep misspelling 'arab'.

[@khakishh]

@@heinoustentacles5719 actually they weren't trying to spell 'arab', they used the acronym 'afab', which stands for 'assigned female at birth' referring to someone who was born a female but may not identify as female.

[@Beephines]

3:03 I love that reference so much honestly I don’t even know if it’s figurative or not but I’m all for it

[@froggy_frog879]

As a women anyone can be a misogynistic or manipulative just because you are man who listens to it dose not automatically makes you a male manipulator. Sometimes people like the music just because of the melody (me). People ignore that girls can also be manipulator and misogynistic. I think that the songs are from personal exspeirences or from made stories. Like reflecting on your own charecter, not bashing on women as a whole. Also gatekeeping music from guys saying that there are a male manipulator but when women who say this stuff enjoys T.v girls music, dosn't that also make you manipulator and misogynistic ???? It is not that deep smh basically my point: 6:26

[@accountrandomnumber182]

Yeah, Tiktok lobotomites lol. But when have women ever been misogynistic or manipulative?

[@beans_sorta_gal_near_you]

6:59 this caught me off guard while watching this video because i'm named christian lmao, i like actually froze in place in absolute horror not knowing how to process hearing that name Edit: lmao nvm I changed it to Cassandra

[@Christian-ve4pg]

BRO SAME

[@streetyfella]

2:07 no way she just dissed all skaters

[@Gingerbreaddo228]

as a trans male who listens to TV Girl, I am now officially scared of becoming a male manipulator

[@SkellingtonWheel]

One of us, one of us

[@ExSpheriment]

how can that girl in the beginning claim that an entire group is for women only? 💀

[@Rainjojo]

I’m a female and never thought their music was misogynistic, there’s a story behind each of their songs. People’s lack of critical-thinking/comprehension never ceases to disappoint me

[@Poizin77]

am i the only one who didnt find tv girl through tiktok? i found tv girl through shorts 💀

[@rokatao]

nah i found about tv girl through omegle 😭 i was asking for music recommendations in like 2014 and got recommended tv girl

[@V4mper-x1ro]

Fr

[@YoMothar]

i know for a fucking FACT that tv girl is manipulator music, because the only abusive partner i've had was a huge tv girl fan. although funny enough, it was a female manipulator rather than a male manipulator

[@Randomjackass135]

So that one thing that happened to you applies to everybody else? Got it.

[@lizardman7718]

@@Randomjackass135yes

[@IAmARealAlien]

@@Randomjackass135 yes.

[@shoevlaki]

the cherry-picking is crazy nd plus bein a manipulator has nun to do with interests

[@jonathalon6022]

​@@Randomjackass135yes