Is Two-Tailed Fox the NEW DPS King?

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Is Two-Tailed Fox the NEW DPS King?

[@wood69420]

I feel like two tailed fox adds a unique utility for the rocket launcher meta... It's like your raid team are power rangers. Galley for the Wolfpack rounds. Two-tailed Fox for the ignition and Jolt . Three legendary rockets for the DPS. One bump in the night for freeze and shatter damage.... It seems really cool .

[@Walter__Clements]

If only eyes of tomorrow was viable

[@L4Disillusion]

Word

[@duo1666]

@@Walter__Clements They need to give EoT like 30 rounds and nerf its damage substantially. Have it easily clear red bars and chunk majors in a room. I dont see EoT being useful any other way just due to how it works.

[@Walter__Clements]

@@duo1666 I just see don’t anyone wasting an exotic slot for an ad clearing rocket launcher no matter how good the ad clearing may be

[@Chiomerogamer]

We just need a rocket launcher that combines with other rocket launchers to get a ton of damage like in the power rangers

[@HelloMyNameIsZON3]

1 two tailed fox 1 chill clip bump in the night 1 ghorn and 3 hothead rockets will devastate anything

[@muchhorrorsuchwow]

Yeah I think one two tailed will definitely compliment the ghorn/legendary comp. Wolfpack proc'ing jolt for days on top.

[@sentralent1850]

Can you explain why use 1 chill clip Rocket?

[@mukash1838]

​@@sentralent1850 cuz only one ck can prok shatter, while others will be useless.

[@AtlasTekh]

​​@@PhoenixWrecker ghorn wolfpack rounds means one chill clip will freeze every shot. So more than one is a waste unless you don't have ghorn on the team.

[@HelloMyNameIsZON3]

@@sentralent1850 shatter damage on every shot due to wolf pack rounds

[@Walter__Clements]

This is how the game should be getting, more exotic weapons being viable and usable with other things. It would be awesome to see eyes of tomorrow get a buff to compete as well, just a cool rocket launcher all around.

[@kenja0685]

*Truth sitting at the bottom of the ocean.*

[@Walter__Clements]

@@kenja0685 That too yeah, honestly forgot it’s been around for so long

[@philipharris-smith5889]

My preference for 2 tailed fox is purely aesthetic. I love the targeting chirp and then when you fire, the happy floof sound as the rockets(hare’s) show their tails and race off to do mischief.

[@shadic0769]

To cancel the reload, there’s that one strand fragment that reloads on every grenade click (given, that’s best used with hunter)

[@oneshot1kill158]

The hunter spawns the tangle for the team and then everyone can do it

[@doggywiggle6303]

Yeah but there’s a weird cap to rate of fire on two tailed kinda like on iznagis

[@dankerbell]

@@doggywiggle6303 that's if you do it too quickly, there's a certain timing that'll let you bypass it

[@DeeJayPancakes]

It's inconsistent with the time of reloading and shooting animation.

[@pancreisnt5959]

If you use ember of ashes and ember of char, after the first ignition every shot ignites the target, a well warlock could use these 2 and get a lot more damage

[@ConnaKazie.]

Thats what im thinking. I also want to know, if TTF puts 90 scorch, and somebody else shoots a shot for 90 scorch, does the enemy ignite AND gain 80 scorch stacks? Or do they only take 10 stacks to cause the ignition and now have 0?

[@johanathan1387]

🤓🤓🤓🤓

[@pancreisnt5959]

@@ConnaKazie. not sure, haven’t tested with multiple people

[@kingkobra4910]

@@ConnaKazie. 0 scorch doesn’t carry over

[@SpliffyHusk]

@@ConnaKazie. don’t use two of those rockets, the dps will hurt. At this point, you shouldn’t stress about ignition if you have a Starfire warlock doing dps with nades, since ignition is like jolt and shatter, you can only have one ignition at a time. Volatile seems optimal for two tailed, since the rest are gonna be Ghorn, bump in the night, and hotheads

[@aurorahrndt]

If you have gyrfalcon hunter or another way of getting volatile rounds reliably (not counting the artifact mod since that goes away at the end of the season) you can also add the volatile explosions to the increased dps.

[@FreshLavender]

just use artifact volatile flow and pick up orb at dps any class no restrictions and volatile flow is probably most common pick on artifact anyway

[@trenhen4311]

There’s also a mod that reloads it when suppressing targets

[@aurorahrndt]

@@FreshLavender for this season that’s the go to, but not moving forward when it’s out of the artifact

[@yawanoc]

@@aurorahrndt but let's be real, the meta changes every season anyway. In the meantime, there's no reason to make things more complicated than we need to.

[@aurorahrndt]

@@yawanoc volatile should absolutely be used by everyone if able. I just like to think ahead is all. This rocket has already become apart of my gyrfalcons load out because of the damage it can do and the utility it can provide.

[@haiderr8973]

I wonder if we will ever get another rocket like two tailed fox except it works for darkness subclasses and has chill clip and can unravel targets, would be pretty cool

[@OBELISK3210]

Hopefully we get a legendary aggressive rocket in the next few seasons that can do that.

[@GUARDIANsunbreaker]

Or maybe a breach grenade launcher that does those effects

[@energyscope8082]

you should also mention that 3 void surges is better because it buffs all 3 rockets damage but arc or solar surge only buffs there specific rocket. The ignition is also increased based on what procs the ignition. If 2 tailed fox procs ignition, the explosion will be buffed by your surges compared to if your ability procs it. Ability procing an ignition will do less damage than a 2 tailed fox rocket procing ignition if surges are used. Source : my own testing on kalli

[@hondo2356]

Ability proc will also scale with surges and weapon damage buffs actually. Shoot one TTF and one fusion nade and the ignition scales with surge mod surprisingly. Also jolt scales with surge/weapon damage as well. Just tested both on Kalli.

[@dexamaz4863]

Another thing to note is domineering on void allows you to fire 2 rockets without reloading every so often, adding just a little bit extra dps. You could also argue that doing 90 scorch is better, and causing an ignition every shot with ignition applying scorch is an even stronger buff. Definitely worth someone using it for sure

[@pirate135246]

with strand basically having demo built in with a fragment, TTF is very much meta. you can pair the reload fragment with the fragment that gives grenade energy on dmg done and since TTF does a boat load of dmg you can use threadling nades + rift to effectively dump your ammo

[@Hosk17]

i wish you'd do more complex dps testing. e.g., templar 10 second dps with wither, autoloading gl, autoloading explosive wendigo with needlestorm does over 1.2mil in 10 seconds on templar no blocks. my day 1 team easily kills templar with no blocks doing more complicated dps testing and not simple dps. there's different loadouts for different damage windows too, long damage phase like 1 phasing warpriest. I'd love to see your methods using "complicated dps phases", again tripl swap izi demo rocket warlock nade spam or other things like that

[@fettuccine9896]

I’m loving all the rocket science going on in the dps testing community

[@trich742]

2 tails also synergize with certain fragments and now the dawn chorus exotic. So if your running void, you can use a fragment with auto reload when us suppress a target, unfortunately this only works on your initial hit but basically makes your 1st mag a 2 round magazine. Dawn chorus increase scorch dot.

[@zackogilvie9142]

I can't believe how many vidoes I have seen testing TTF without using Ember of Char + Ember of Ashes to proc the ignitions, its just free damage.

[@trunglerfevr]

I wonder how crazy the output will be if there's one Ghorn, one TTF, three Hotheads, and one Chill Clip rocket. People shouldn't forget how powerful Ghorn + Chill Clip is.

[@Alovon]

Well got to get a Hothead, the TTF Catalyst, and the Ghorn Catalyst now (I have the Bump in the Night craftable, so need to get those two I guess)

[@cee_ves]

Now use the strand fragment that allows you to reload using a grapple point. Bosses are getting shredded

[@overbe]

@@cee_ves This is the way

[@stevanhaire5300]

bro he literally went over that in the video

[@jacobcollier4223]

Gotta remember that all TTF damage is boosted by void font, not each of the elements

[@fluffdafire157]

I'm also going to point this out that since they added the scorch and jolt on the TTF this can now deal with both unstoppable and overload champions

[@jackasper782]

Never thought I would see that title in a KZbin video

[@VanaHeim1]

Bot comment

[@KayronTho]

Savage damn ..

[@jackasper782]

@@VanaHeim1 yeah that’s the point genius

[@itztizzle]

The info I was extremely curious about myself (1 TTF, 1Ghorn, 4 Hothead). Well done GOAT

[@Killomainia]

If you have a strand hunter to quickly proc the weapon reloads with grapple would significantly help the TTF dps output

[@frostbittenprophet4852]

Thank you for all your work and number crunching. You are truly appreciated and a great asset to the community!

[@mEnTL32]

@2:24 perfect fade! James Cameron, look out!

[@Fireheart318]

I love how we’re starting to mix and match DPS weapons - instead of just being a whole squad using the same weapon, there’s one Gjallarhorn guy, one guy with Three-Tailed Fox, a bunch of Hotheads, and a Bump in the Night all at the same time! It makes you think and plan a lot more!

[@MrMultiPlatform]

MIx and Match? You just named nothing but rockets.

[@StressTree]

What a lot of people don't talk about is that clown cartridge/field prep isn't the highest DPS rocket roll, it's actually explosive light/demolitionist + starfire protocol (lasting impression can also work and has higher total damage but lower DPS)

[@theoutlaw6044]

If you're adding in the fusion nade damage to it then sure but in terms of just the rocket dmg by itself in a vacuum Clown + Field Prep is better and the starfire strat is warlock specific

[@zonecrimzon1222]

@@theoutlaw6044 titans can do it to with heart and nades

[@theoutlaw6044]

@@zonecrimzon1222 yeah no not anymore, after Hoil nerfs, discipline stat nerfs, and storm grenade cooldown nerfs that just isn't happening, I was even trying triple grenade Kickstart with 2x/1x bomber and 1x/2x utility Kickstart while starting with 2x empowered by using knockout melee twice and it still didn't get close to even half of starfire warlock, takes way too long to get your grenade back for demo to be used effectively

[@theoutlaw6044]

@@zonecrimzon1222 would've still worked with last season's mod system where you could stack 5x firepower and 5x charged with light by swapping armor sets around but that's impossible now

[@zonecrimzon1222]

@@theoutlaw6044 😂 hearts grenade regen wasn’t changed at all only the class ability regen was and it’s still really fast, obviously your not gonna match a starfire warlock but it’s still very easy to use demo on titan

[@DoublemanFM]

You didn't take into account that Strand builds can infinitely reload TTF from reserves.

[@ammonbergevin5302]

Let's also not forget using hunter grapple to dump your entire reserves without ever manually reloading, I don't know how much of a difference that will make for DPS numbers, but even just having more total damage for the fire team then if I didn't have the Rocket is good enough for me to equip it. Rarely in new content like spire of the watcher, or in warpriest for Kings fall, does my fireteam have enough damage to kill the boss without the use of many bricks, especially with rockets

[@5omewhiteguy211]

Jolt has a proc cooldown of about 8.5 seconds. However, it works by checking to see if it has passed it's cooldown when the damage threshold nessisary to proc it has been reached. Aka if you proc the jolt and one happened .84 secomds ago, the damage counter resets. So the realistic proc cooldown is about .9 seconds. When solo, it's very tough to actually get that maximum proc timing with 2-tailed. It's a group dps weapon for sure. Also, dps check Thunderlords into divinity with actium war rag. The fire rate gets insane and the total damage is ALWAYS higher than any rocket guardian. (15 seconds+ dps phase)

[@dragonslayer647]

For testing, i recommend also trying using 2 and all 6 TTF all of solar class with ember of ashes. I say this because of the constant ignitions. I think if a whole fireteam is using it. The ignitions may make up for the lack of dps over time. Please try it.

[@-beebo]

Nah I think just 1 is fine because more likely than not you’re also gonna have a starfire well lock spamming nades

[@MrBrambo93]

right, i was writing the same, even more than 2, what if 6? igniton every 2 rocket means 4 ignition instantly if the game can keep up

[@b-mo272]

can multiple ignitions stack? cause if not you'd have some wasted potential scorching a target that cant be scorch / ignited yet

[@dragonslayer647]

@@-beebo thats just more ignitions. I seriously think the extra ignitions are at least worth testing the viability of them

[@dpw0499]

yh 2 two tailed fox, means an ignition every rocket fired. so it might be worth it

[@DropForgedSurvival]

Ive been using this rocket with titan Rally Barracade! Plus one Void Reloader! Makes its DPS considerably Higher!

[@Kizen.]

Well there is one thing that could be done with the Two Tailed Fox, is that it's dps depends on your class. If you have certain abilities that instant reload your weapons, the Two Tailed Fox's dps suddenly skyrockets because of it's ridiculous single shot damage.

[@Umbra-oj2vk]

You can have a Hunter with Two Tail and strand you can dumb the whole reserves very quickly to circumvent the long reload.

[@justinsharp8503]

Leviathan’s Breathe is pretty nutty now too for longer DPS phases with the catalyst

[@Helsae]

What about the artifact perk this season, the one that states that the more void abilities you have up after you kill, the more dmg bonus you will get for your void weapon. Additionally combined with the fragment that lets you reload upon suppression, I think that makes two-tailed fox is even better.

[@klintbeastwould2370]

Thanks bro! This is the definitive voice I've been waiting to hear from on this subject.

[@someone_tc5267]

you should see how it pairs up against izi rotation with explosive light auto loading hotheads, and ghorn, i feel like that should be far better than the sernario layed out here with spamming rockets wiht the clown field prep roll

[@toastbreab]

Yeah that's really the best rotation, all these rocket loadouts are hard cope

[@someone_tc5267]

@@toastbreab I know it's the best I want to know by how much lmao

[@jagan9235]

The thing about this rocket is there’s so many ways to upgrade its damage - Echo of domineering - Gryfalcons - ember of ashes - volatile flow And new potential aspect and fragments from arc solar and void 3.0 might make it even stronger

[@aronaugsburg2166]

Reserve mods since Lightfall do not work across the board. With a rocket launcher you jump from 8 to 10 when equipping the mods and using a raid banner. As soon as you use up ammo or die, you go back 8 ammo max. Solution would be taking the mods off and on again after every wipe and even then it's not consistent. Lastly, increases in mag size do not increase ammo on weapons anymore at all.

[@glazpeekedjfk9039]

I finished orxys yesterday with 7mil dmg it's a beast at the moment

[@rainygamedays5873]

God damn, this exotic is rocking three different elements and debuffs now 🤤😵‍💫🤯

[@truesight5098]

Wait, why didn't you take in consideration the increased ignition rate when you use more TTF ? if 1 guy needs 2 shots to ignite, then wont 2 need 1 each, doubling the ignite damage? Also what about volatile rounds? by using the artifact mod. The rocket is listed as volatile so all 3 count as volatile shots

[@rodrigocardona7807]

Ehroar: “Catlist” My brain 🧠: C.A.T.A.L.Y.S.T I’m not who to judge proper enunciation of words Some people are better at math than English, Ehroar being one of them I know more English than math 🧮 Balanced, as all things should be.

[@noxiebobo]

ok who asked though

[@zperk13]

2:22 nice transition lol

[@L4Disillusion]

Thunderlord, Grand Overture, and Xeno are the machine gun meta. I love Thunderlord for add clears and dps it's an all around powerhouse of a weapon.

[@Cassius190]

Two Tailed Fox + Necrotic Grip + Strand melee

[@ShadowZealot7]

Definitely want to try integrating this into my Bolt Buddy loadout with iterative loop to abuse the hell outta jolt lmao

[@GoldenChainsaw]

Leviathan's Breath is pretty cracked now, did almost 4 mill to Rhulk

[@Ellyark]

Something else to consider is if your are really trying to squeeze as much as possible, you can also have an arc warlock with arc souls, and they could just use another ability to apply jolt while still using a hothead or gally like normal

[@Based_Shogun]

But you're giving up well.

[@Ellyark]

@@Based_Shogun I mean ideally you would have six warlocks anyway 😏

[@mizumuncher5809]

the void rocket can hit volatile with the new artifact mod which adds up the damage more so, and void has an aspect that automatically reloads the rocket when you suppress a target every 10 second. The strand grapple auto load still has a cooldown on the rockets ability to shoot immediately, but the suppress reload and or the stasis reloads do not. EDIT: it has come to my attention that the target has to be not suppressed in order to get the reload so realistically youre only looking at 1 auto load per dps phase

[@someone_tc5267]

its not quite every 10 seconds the target also has to not be supressed, if the enimy is all ready supressed it doesnt proc the fragment, so you realiosticly will only get 1 reload out of that fragment on void with TTF, as the 10 second cool down on the fragment and the duration and constant refresh of supression every time you shoot

[@mizumuncher5809]

@@someone_tc5267 Yes you are correct that is my mistake

[@colenelson5181]

Another thing with this though, using auto reload methods such as the supress fragment or the one with strand, it does not actually increase the fire rate as you reach it even when running luna warlock with it being 15.33 for 6 rockets, no matter what

[@ImZoS0]

If you use 1 ttf the jolts apply for the whole fireteam, in a team of 6 you only run 1 as if you run more it doesnt work. 1 ghorn, 1 ttf and 1 chill clip bump in the night + 3 other rockets is the optimal setup.

[@eliezerortizlevante1122]

People forgetting Explosive Light Ghorn + Danger Zone

[@evonbinns4440]

How is no one talking about Echo of Domineering and Two Tailed Fox. If you suppress the target, it reloads your weapon from reserves. Meaning a DPS increase, each time the Suppressing rocket hits the target.

[@stefanoarmani730]

A clan mate of mine told me that the best dps right now is w one gjally, one 2-Tail, 1 Bump in the night w chill clip and the remaining hothead w explosive light.

[@totallynotsuspiciousemail5696]

I wish I had a team of people to do raids with regularly

[@lm_miniz]

Love ya ehroar thx for helping us know how to get a day 1 w the best damage options.

[@fringehouse]

if you have multiple TTF on Solar what would the addition ignition and scorch damage be? wouldn’t be boss be constantly igniting from all the rapidly applied scorch? Also it would be sick if they changes the Void rocket from Suppression to Weaken, then it would really chunk

[@socksman669]

Would running a single MG or some other higher fire rate weapon as a "jolt procer" more consistently to help make sure no jolt proc window is lost/delayed? This probably would only really matter during a raid with a 6-squad.

[@zonecrimzon1222]

Don’t run a machine gun almost ever, it’s ass and your losing out on damage

[@jacob-2271]

By using a machine gun you'd be losing out on more dps than you would by not proccing jolt as often as possible

[@randomguy1706]

PLUS YOU CAN PAIR IT WITH HUNTER TETHER

[@Based_Shogun]

It bugs me so much that there's still only the sound and visual effects of two rockets.

[@adriansanchez-gx4xg]

If youre on Void use Echo of domineering, which on supress will reload another rocket in the mag

[@ETfilms100]

People in high school: Man when am i ever gonna use these stupid math equations in real life? Ehroar: Whats up guys-

[@EnragedCucco]

I feel like you need to compare this to a rocket and then someone throwing a jolt nade, I know the multiplier is different on it but it lets you jolt boss while also using the legendary rocket.

[@Apis6969]

“2 tailed fox with its new calus” 💀

[@Username18981]

Two tail on my gryfalcon and stylish executioner is now my go to.

[@partybwoy8521]

Ascendancy is slapping

[@di11onm1nkgaming]

I think this will be another chill clip vs hothead argument. They may be close but at the end of the day hothead is just better for dps

[@zorpter]

Me with the Adept, demo, explosive light Hothead. 🤪

[@stevennagy6603]

Awesome breakdown bro.

[@korayyildiz6939]

problem is that there are different ways of proccing jolt. if theres even a single arc player in your team that throws a nade to procc jolt instead of ttf its gonna be worse than 5x hothead + 1 ghjally

[@juggernauttanker8316]

This would be the best rpg if they added strand rocket with it

[@Beakman22]

Thank the Light you are back! No one does dps break downs like you.

[@WasherGareth]

How much of the total damage is scorch and ignitions? Is it worth trying to increase these by having the raid teams' TTF user be a solar subclass with the increased scorch stacks fragment? Maybe a Dawn Chorus warlock for +200% scorch damage. I know Starfire is likely just far superior but it is interesting to see.

[@dhaneshwickremasurendra7552]

What about everyone using two tailed fox? If it has the highest total damage, could it not just be better overall? Also, is ignition, volatile and jolt client side?

[@savagecabbage1174]

That’s what I’m thinking, would 6 TTF be a little worse or a little better?

[@cee_ves]

“Due to you fucks breaking the game the second we give you a new toy, again, we have disabled strand, all rocket launchers, and Telesto for the raid race. Don’t ask why Telesto is disabled”

[@Mesadoram]

0:01 420 frames, Nice.

[@DontEatCream]

Catalyst should change the name to Three Tailed Fox

[@PapaTez]

Me giggling from listening to you trying to get a DPS test with the bois for like 3 hrs 😂

[@tophatthepurple1201]

Could you increase rate of fire with the grapple reload trick? I'd love to see 6 gaurdians on strand with at least the one hunter that can make the grapple point and then just shoot grapple, repeat until out of ammo, maybe not crazy jolt but I would think just about constant ignitions. So really you just need one with the catalyst for jolt but wouldnt hurt either way .Just a thought

[@prometheuslens7825]

Just wait for them to add fourth stasis tail and fifth strand tail

[@drewwatson6980]

While this is nice, you can just throw an arc nade to jolt the target and use a better rocket.

[@InsipidMoniker]

TTF is also gonna be very strong in any activity featuring Champions with the ability to Ignite, Suppress and Jolt.

[@Based_Shogun]

We know.

[@koreystrzelczyk4196]

Wouldn’t volatile rounds also add dps to ttf, feel like it should be included with how easy it is to proc this season

[@Cloudsanin]

I was wondering about this. Maybe I should drop my hothead and go with a rocket with chill clip instead.....

[@FadedMaple07]

If you have a bump in the night sure, because it's an aggressive frame. If you use anything other than that, hothead is much better.

[@newRockHall]

are these numbers with or without any buffs? Because if its without any buffs, then the numbers get to insane levels if you take into account that all the dmg done by the 3 rockets from ttf with catalyst get increased by just running void weapon surge, then you also add possible volatile rounds from picking up orbs before dps

[@dankerbell]

pretty sure whenever he shows numbers it's just the weapon itself but at its max potential (ie. fastest possible reload)

[@Botmini17]

I wonder if the old blade barrage sixth coyote rocket dodge spam works with it still

[@MrVidman14]

Anyone noticing a rise in weapons that are more effective for individual rather than as a whole fireteam with the same weapon

[@theregalpeasant2636]

If you want Jolt just use an arc Hunter super or an arc nade.

[@Banana_in_the_ocean]

I’ve been playing a lot with stasis hunter using bakris and then either the new bow and forbearance or the vanguard stasis smg and cloud strike and then for heavy a clown cart field prep hot head and let’s just say I’ve been doing numbers for dps

[@Lirrium]

Would the solar fragment to apply more scorch stacks work with weapons? Also maybe applying scorch from a different source would possibly allow for ignitions quicker? Solar grenade for example?

[@NutHandlerLLC]

Still would have been interesting if the catalyst added arc cluster bombs instead of a third rocket.

[@Real28]

Last time Ehroar posted a video, he got an exotic glaive disabled in certain content.

[@shanesanders1630]

How much do we think it would matter if two are running Two-Tailed fox? Because the Jolt is one part of the damage, but how much damage does the ignition do? Two foxes would cause an ignition far more frequently

[@stardust4860]

Ok but what is the dps with 6 two tailed? If we focus on getting ignitions every time, how often would the ignition proc and what would be the dps

[@MrWillow92]

So im confused how is jolt the justification for 2 tailed fox when arc applys jolt just by throwing a nade than forgetting the 2 tails for another hothead

[@christophergreen1602]

My favorite exotic fr. I’ve used this since I started playing destiny lol.

[@connort4712]

now try a demo rocket with starfire warlocks in the mix of all that lmao

[@w7zard]

the issue i take with this video is that fact that this does not take into consideration izanagi’s/witherhoard. In a vacuum, yes running the TTF might be better, but how does the result change when you add in starfire warlocks, witherhoard, and izanagi swapping??

[@justinl7921]

My question is what class would be better for 2 tail, a hunter giving the void rocket volatile, or a solar warlock so you can run well and make the solar rocked do more scorch

[@___Venice___]

i've been dying for a long time for 2tail to be even near meta so i think i'll just use it

[@JH-vb1wo]

Two tailed is pretty solid and I like the fact u have several different elements and makes it easy to knock out shields plus apply viotile scorch etc but after using it then switching back to my hot head I can still tell my explosive light adept hot head is still king of rockets. Now In lightfall orbs just rain down all over pretty easy so I’m always having stacks of orbs for explosive light and not much can really compete

[@epjpeg]

Next it’s gonna get a stasis chill clip rocket, then a strand rocket with unraveling, then a kinetic one with kinetic tremors 😭😭