Is Ukraine Hitting Russian Radars With US HARM Anti-Radiation Missiles? (WarGames 71) | DCS

[@grimreapers]

Ukraine-Russia Series: Patriot/NASAMS vs Supersonic Missiles: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2LUaKh6ms6hd5Y Fulcrum/Flanker vs Foxbat/Super Flanker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJm7l6uZbpl9d7c NASAMS vs Russian Cruise Missiles: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnuskJVvas-tps0 Russian KH-47M2 vs Polish Air Force: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZ_Vh6ungZqkb9k Su-27 & Drone vs Snake Island: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipDSg6KLZ6asnNE Su-25s vs Russian Convoy At Kyiv: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKq5Z2iYiq-tqNk NATO Eurofighters vs Crimean AWACS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5qtY5d8h81sa8k Patriot, Gepard & Gripen vs KH-65: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJnblaWEn86aZ8k A-10s vs Russian Convoy At Kyiv: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGHXi6KlZdp_npY USN Tomahawk Strike Kerch Bridge: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqfTmmuud96ajJo USAF Stealth Strike Kerch Bridge: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3vFl2x4mN2hrZI Ukrainian Jets Strike Kerch Bridge: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2mppqCrj7eYeJY F-22 Raptors vs Russian Fighters: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaDQg5ajp9x9jc0 Raptor/Eagle vs Super Flanker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZbUiqCriKqiY5o USAF Bombers vs Mariupol Defenses: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3TWk6KFfJWEi5Y Ukraine Bombs Snake Island: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eImZammDgMmemJo Stealth Fighters vs Russian Bombers: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKrQamOgo7Z3qaM Sinking Of Moskva #3: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHrNoKx_nsqCsLs Sinking Of Moskva #2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZ_Nl5WglKqqjZY Sinking Of Moskva #1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKnamWmDfLF9hMU Russia Nukes Britain: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKvOZWiIe7aqd5o Ukraine Uses Danish F-16s: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2izmp6opZWEl7s Ukraine Uses Polish Mig-29s: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHTMZad3ft-ohbc Russian-Britain Missile Attack: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKiseJmXl9utfqM Ghost Of Kyiv: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6PGpWuMadNkY7c Belgorod Raid: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4LcnIeuqZuZqtk Eurofighter/Fulcrum vs Super Flanker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4Hcepymes2aiJI US Strike vs Odessa kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZbMgHudr86WbLs Russian Helo Rocket Lob: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2KbeJp9o7WSqa8 Russian Su-25 vs US Patriot SAM: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6TTZ2yQecSnhZI Understanding Russian SAMs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGXbhauCg7-Lmdk Ukrainian Jets Road Operations: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnPTq4SentODmNk Russian 40 Mile Convoy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKPCXmV8gcefeM0 Flanker vs Super Flanker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jICkpoJ8ga96oZY Vs S400 Series: MLRS vs S-400: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpiki3uDoaiBfNk USN ToT Strike vs S-400 IADS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fqS1aKyknqlsi68 Kh-47M2 Kinzhal vs S-400 IADS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/epvGgqGoq7J7mKM Sweden & Star Wars vs S-400 IADS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oWSTZISkobuipJI WWI, WWII & Stealth vs S-400 IADS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIrahoR9pLSGq5o USAF 4th Gen Strike vs S-400 IADS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6C0aXxmZaqhmaM Different USAF Bombers vs S-400: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3TWk6KFfJWEi5Y

[@Anarchy_420]

Request-- Could Russian MIG-31's with R-37M's shoot down Chinese YJ-12 Missile's👍

[@Jackyl_47]

For my birthday on the 15th is there any way you could do helicopters vs planes? Nations dont matter (:

[@frankbarnwell____]

@@Jackyl_47 agreed. How about mi 24 Hinds vs p51 or p47 at... 12,000 feet. Like intercepting the helos transporting a special ops team.

[@Mystical922]

Could you do a Ukrainian airbase under attack guarded by Ukrainian air defense and you can be the attacker or defender with Russians having SU-35 and Mig-31 and SU-34 bombers to attack the airfield and air defense

[@璩語輝]

Can you share the Su-25T HARM mod kind sir?

[@ClericChris]

Ukraine was given 20 something Polish "Parts Planes" that were previously adapted for US weapons. They were good planes that they would remove a wing or something and given as spare parts.

[@montys420-]

According to sources on the internet no former Warsaw pact aircraft that are now apart of NATO can fire US missiles

[@davidkellers8152]

My uncle worked for Lockheed. Started a new department called "Drone research" back in the late 50s. He was considered one of the world's foremost experts on radar systems and worked on the first stealth designs. He would love watching these games.

[@sellnr88]

Same.

[@imjashingyou3461]

The US doesn't use the HARM anymore. They have been steadily replaced since about 2010 But they do have them in storage and it's why they are giving them to Ukraine. It's part of the reason why you have such a high harm failure rate in game as you are using mid 1990s to 2000 Era missile against 2020 Russian Air defenses The USAF uses AGM-88E AARGM. Which is a HARM motor and frame updated with dramatically newer electronic and an Infared and Radar terminal homing function with image recognition in case radars turn off. The US is also as of earlier this year using the AGM-88G AARGM-ER which is the seeker and electronics from the previous missile with a new ram jet sustainer and a new frame to allow it to fit in the F-35 and double its top possible speed to over mach 4 (from about mach 2) and increase it's max range to well over 100 miles.

[@lenn55]

DCS has SAMs like the S300/400 shooting down a HARM which has never happened in combat. They aren't designed to shoot down a Mach 2 class rocket the size and flight profile of a HARM. DCS probably does it to make the game more "fair" and so the HARM doesn't kill all the SAMs making things to easy on the attackers.

[@imjashingyou3461]

@@lenn55 I think that statement is a bit much. I do think the S300 and 400 chances of themselves shooting down are not that high but possible. The SA-15s they should have with each battery are for that role. I do think that Russias radar tech, personel, and detection to kill process are not as good as this game depicts. Either way the AGM-88E solves many issues they have, in that the seeker is much better at detecting and geolocating the emitter, and the final guidance has other sensors to physically search for the emitter if its off or guide to a more precise hit. The AGM-88G should enable platforms such as the F-16 to fire outside of the S-400 effective engagement distance of probably around 150 miles or less. While allowing the F-35 to get inside of that ring to less then 100 miles to ensure a above Mach 2 impact speed and make it incredibly hard to intercept. There is one more issue people constantly forget Eagle Dynamics is a Russian Developer and a consistent theme I've seen in games like war thunder (Gaijin is a Russian developer,), and especially World of Warships (Wargamming is primarily Russian developer that is still run by mostly Russian and developed primarily in the St Petersburg office.) Russian equipment is often god tier for no real reason and will have things like no spall enabled for Russian tanks deep in the game code in Warthunder. In WoW it was laughably so as they had to ban more then 1 Russian cruiser from appearing in tournaments as it was so game breaking. It got laughable when Wargaming put out a Naval Legends documentary series that covered famous ships. Except for one of them they covered instead the Sovietsky Soyuz which was a WWII era never completed battleship with major design flaws in hindsight (it had the designed displacement of the Yamato, but less firepower, armor effectiveness, and speed then the Iowa's at 2/3rds the weight) then the I as well as the Russians didn't have the capability to various components to spec, most notably the armor which would have been 40 to 60% weaker then the British equivalent thickness. In the video they compare its fighting prowess, and historical importance to the USS Enterprise and HMS Warspite indirectly, and say it would have been the greatest battleship ever built with its mediocre speed and firepower, and poor armor, lack of radar, bad fire control, and poor AA suite, because it would have topped 70,000 tons. They really drink the propaganda cool aid in that one. All the major issues including Russia's inability to manufacture armor over 200mm thick and its poor metallurgy, and heat treatment are not covered. Now Eagle Dynamics might not be making the Russian equipment broken, but it sure as shit seems like its a cultural thing over there to compensate in media for the perceived technology difference with the west, as well as a cultural bias to believe the totalitarian states propaganda numbers on performance over real world examples.

[@QuotidianStupidity]

@@imjashingyou3461 In fairness, most people over here thought Russian military equipment was far better than has been seen in Ukraine - so it makes sense that they would.

[@callsignDEVIL11]

AARGM E isnt used by the USAF; Only Growlers currently. G is in IOT&E for AF Panthers and old school HARMs are def still a staple of 4th gen SEAD.

[@MagnificentXXBastard]

> It's part of the reason why you have such a high harm failure rate in game as you are using mid 1990s to 2000 Era missile against 2020 Russian Air defenses Sorry but whoever modelled the Russians in DCS is completely braindead and just believing all their copium and "official" specs. In reality, Russian airdefense can't shoot down HIMARS or other missiles that strike well into Crimea. Moskva had only one operational turret and barely working engines. It's, of course, as broke and useless as the rest of the Russian war machine. Just look at their Flagship, their one and only Aircraft carrier. It's barely able to leave port before catching on fire which regularly kills its crewmen. Look how its only actual combat assignment in Syria went. They immediately lost 2 planes to faulty arresting wires, and immediately after had to transfer all aircraft to a nearby syrian air base, completely defeating the purpose of even having a carrier. I saw the battles here between American carrier group vs 'Russian ones, and it's pure bullshit. DCS is just completely unrealistic for Russian capabilites.

[@okaldhol]

Ukraine has received unspecified "spare parts" for their MIG-29 fleets from Poland and Slovenia. If someone removed the engines, and shipped them separately from the airframe, one would have plausible deniability for providing "parts only, not aircraft". The number of Ukrainian Mig-29 has increased by 20 since the start of the war according to sources. As you touched upon in the video, these MIG-29s have been upgraded with NATO buses, and can fire NATO missiles, including the AGM-88 HARM. The HARM could either be targeted using the onboard seeker, OR, depending on version, be fed GPS data from some source capable of detecting radar from a long range, say one of those RC-135s or Global Hawks that are continuously flying racetracks along the Ukrainian border and in the Black Sea. Moving something like the S-400 takes a lot of time, and the Russians have probably not been to worried about Ukrainian SEAD to bother, meaning it could very well be a GPS based strike...Its not like the russians have shown supreme tactical provess in other parts of this campaign....The Moskva sailing around with shutdown radars come to mind....

[@montys420-]

According to sources no NATO member that fly/flew former soviet aircraft cannot fire HARMS and never were upgraded to do so

[@castlekingside76]

Apparently those spare parts are 20 Migs. They just took them apart because the US promised not to fly donated aircraft into Ukraine

[@JD96893]

I dont doubt something was jerry rigged. The US is happy, even eager, to give Ukraine anything it needs to take out Putins most expensive weapons. I believe thats why we are seeing prescision weapons for the most part and only in limited numbers.

[@tadficuscactus]

Abiding by the letter of the law while totally mutilating the spirit of it. Sounds about right.

[@miriamweller812]

Lol? Russia has shown a lot of strategical and tactical genious, the joke is that NATO PR just calls it "failing goals", while in reality it was never the goal in the first place, it was part of the strategy to bind forces and alike. Of course overall there is only so much you can do with tactic and strategy against an insane enemy, who just wants to burn down a whole country with no regret and is throwing billions in money and hundredthousands of lives into the fire for it plus the whole future of the country itself.

[@Serenityindailylife]

They are using German, Bulgarian and polish adapter pylons. The AGM-88 can be programmed on the ground for a 16 digit grid. After that they go active off the rail it will seek any radar signal. I wrote several articles on this and appeared on fox explaining it.

[@jackroutledge352]

Could you link the article? Sounds interesting.

[@Morfeusz1895]

. - tactical dot of observation

[@ThePaulv12]

@@jackroutledge352 KZbin now automatically deletes posts with off KZbin links unfortunately.

[@patelrujul2608]

One of the best videos till now. Really, that close flying of mig-29s was freaking amazing. Would have loved more if it was a supersonic flight. But nonetheless, very nice video

[@cshader2488]

the 29's taking off from the road looked great. That needs to be set to music and made into a KZbin short.

[@Istandby666]

Don't use the top gun sound track

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

@@Istandby666 Danger Zone on a mandoline

[@Istandby666]

@@Kevin-hb7yq Let's not....

[@conmcgrath7174]

Top Gun soundtrack on the tin-whistle with kazoo backing, pure class!

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

@@Istandby666 Hurdy Gurdy then?

[@mrsleepzblu]

My understanding is the tech problems you discussed are only an issue if they want to use the HARMs in TOO or Self Protect Mode. But in Pre-Briefed Mode, there is no tech issue, just mechanically jury-rigging the missile onto the pylons.

[@Odirile.molaolwa]

The staff you're saying soung interesting. Can you say it in English please

[@richardvernon317]

@@Odirile.molaolwa AGM-88C HARM has three operating modes. Two of them require the missile to talk to the fire control system in the aircraft so that it knowns what it being fired at. The Pre-Brief mode has the missile pre programmed with where it has to fly to and what it's got to hit before the aircraft takes off. All it needs is the signal to activate and fire it.

[@kdrapertrucker]

No jury rigging needed, Soviet era aircraft were designed to use captured NATo weapons. Only mods needed are electronic to allow aircraft to communicate with weapons.

[@mdsx01]

Fulcrum is one of the few DCS modules that I have. Wish I had the time to fly with you guys, learning to fly irl.

[@WalrusWinking]

There are some fantastic mods out now that are free to download.

[@Tr0ll_m4ster]

That´s a good drawback. Wish you good skies!

[@rubiconnn]

If you have some spare pocket change lying around I've seen a Mig-29 for sale in the US.

[@mdsx01]

@@rubiconnn there's a guy selling 4 aircraft, a pair of 2 seaters and a pair of singles that are parts planes. $5.6 mil. I've got goals.

[@kencramer1697]

Always loved the HARM. My father worked for TI back in the 80's and the plant he was at did this that or the other for the HARM Guidance system. I wish I had more details but his job was always "behind the wall". I just remember an open house they had for the employee's and their families and Dad showing me around and they had a HARM on display and him explaining how they worked on the guidance system.

[@TD_YT066]

Yep, that was an interesting job, fresh out of school. Walked by the Seeker assembly area every day. They had many exhibits along the 1/2 mile hallway (non-classified info of course)

[@kencramer1697]

@@TD_YT066 What plant? My father was at the Colorado Springs location, then several down here in the DFW Metroplex.

[@TD_YT066]

@@kencramer1697 Lewisville TX I remember during some US action (Libya?), a piece of a missile was shown on foreign TV that had the plant name and address on it. Security went apes....

[@kencramer1697]

@@TD_YT066 What a small world. Lewisville is one of the plants my Dad worked at. He ended up retiring during the TI / Raytheon split. His job was going to be on the Raytheon side and they wanted him to move to Arizona. He decided to retire instead of move.

[@johnhodgson4216]

There are 3 ways the Harms target a target. The 1st two cannot work with soviet electronics, but the 3rd method of pre-programming the target does work. I do wonder if an adapter can be created for the data communications.

[@richardhockey8442]

Doesn't the HARM have an autonomous mode that can lock onto a radar after launch as long as you point it towards the intended radar?

[@simonmoorcroft1417]

One theory is that Slovakian Migs were shipped across the border in 'parts' and reassembled in Ukraine. They have NATO Mil Std wiring and interfaces. If the Migs have been fitted with the HTS pod that will give them good HARM capability.

[@johnhodgson4216]

@@richardhockey8442 Prior to the Plane lifting off the ground, you can program the target info directly into the Harms...then just do a launch. that's the 3rd option. the 1st two options require a data link communication from the missile to the plane.

[@rogerpennel1798]

The USA converted the radar-guided version of the Sidewinder that was carried by the F-8 Crusader to create the SideARM missile for deployment from Marine Corps AH-1s and Harriers. It was effective against short-range radar-guided SAMs and Shilkas. There was a radar-guided version of the Russian AA-2 Atol as well. If any of the radar-guided AA-2 still exist they could be modified too.

[@KirkFickert]

Polish MiGs were refitted with NATO systems allowing them to use some NATO weapons. Also don’t underestimate running some extra wires and bolting on a computer in the cockpit to run it.

[@SilkyBadger]

The close proximity (would be crazy to call it formation) flying, especially over the sea was amazing! Hoop clenchingly so.

[@floydlooney6837]

Today: Equipment was damaged as a result of explosions at the Zyabrovka military airfield in Belarus. In particular, the Russian radar for illumination and guidance for air defense systems - "Belarusian Gayun"... so that happened

[@slartybarfastb3648]

That would be relatively safe target for Ukraine to go after if they were to strike inside Belarus. HARM only goes after specific radar emitters, so little chance of it hitting a civilian building or Belarus equipment. Likely the AD system Russia announced they were deploying to Belarus a month ago?

[@lenn55]

DCS needs to change the S300/400 parameters. They have never shot down a HARM or similar class weapon in combat situations. They aren't designed for that. That is why these SAM systems are usually teamed with short range SAM systems that have a better chance at hitting small targets although even those have never shot down a Mach 2 HARM. S300/400s in Ukraine don't even bother firing at HIMARs rockets.

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

Blinkov just did a video on this and as it turns out the US may have had some modified Migs laying around and just shipped some "parts" to Ukriane to use in their "defense". Which you can make any weapon system work with any platform it's just how much it will cost mostly in time and how myuch jank you are ok with.

[@emmata98]

Or just the Polish that already did that

[@prius_power]

My interpretation of how this works is that there’s an e-tablet mounted in the cockpit and it’s one of those hands free mounts that you put in your car and that’s how their operating the HARMs

[@richardvernon317]

There was a program running looking at using a Bluetooth system to interface a weapons adapter unit to a rotary launcher on the B-52. This would allow wireless interface between the weapon and the aircraft's weapon system for transfer of data. The dropping and firing signals went through the launcher as normal. I can't find the source of where this was published, but it was mentioned in the defence press a few years ago.

[@steffenjespersen247]

In real life this could have worked, with no loss of aircraft. Remember those radar operators are not AI, but soldiers. They have been sitting in their hot control vehicle in a Crimea S-400 site for years and very little is happening locally, There is no way they are ready within a few secounds for combat, they are likely out of the vehicle having a smoke and listining to the radio in case someone reports incomming aircrafts.

[@okaldhol]

Correct, never underestimate the human factor. Russian soldiers have proven to have very low morale and training in this conflict. Leaving material behind without destroying it, general lack of coordination and tactical provess etc. Remember the Moskva was sailing around with its AAA system switched off, probably either due to incompetence or fear of hitting their own aircraft. The russian Air & Space defence forces (VVKO - which run the S-400) and the Russian Air Force (VVS) are known to have less than ideal cooperation and joint training.

[@okaldhol]

Also remember they had no reason to fear that Ukraine had any weapon system at all that would be able to reach them....

[@KirkFickert]

Also these systems can’t operate 24/7 for long duration. They have to shut off to conserve fuel in their generators and to prevent electronics from over heating. Also they aren’t running them during RuAF ops because they kept shooting down friendly aircraft.

[@mmeade9402]

Frankly I doubt the hit percentage is that high even if they were relatively ready. The Mig run should have had enough in the air to get at least a couple through...

[@marshalljulie3676]

@@okaldhol okay less not be childish here these so called low moral and under trained Russian's has taken 20% of Ukraine according to Ukrainian president. Ukraine had the 2nd largest army in Europe they trained with NATO professionals for 8years straight and now being armed and funded by over 10 countries plus they have foreign mercenaries from NATO countries helping them in the fight... Now imagine if Taliban had that much support 🤣. Russia ain't nothing to sneeze at it's simple observation you don't even have to support Russia to see this just logic and common sense 🤷

[@xenaguy01]

Would it be more or less difficult for the S-400 system if you were all to come from different bearings? 25:30 Big, big difference between 2 missiles per plane and 6 missiles per plane.

[@dowgy177]

Before the tankies show up, I'd like to compliment you for doing a fantastic job of covering this conflict while being incredibly respectful to both sides. Stay strong.

[@brokenursa9986]

You'd think the tankies would hate Russia for not being communist anymore, and there being some evidence to suggest the invasion was motivated by capitalist interests.

[@nadineblachetta3202]

...please tell me what is a tankie?

[@dowgy177]

@@nadineblachetta3202 Is this a genuine question?

[@nadineblachetta3202]

Yes, please explain. Tried to look it up, nothing came up that makes sense.

[@Demka03]

Yeah, Russia is definitely deserves some respect for invading an independent country, killing innocent people and war prisoners, destroying civil infrastructure etc.

[@teresaharmon4405]

Nice to have Grump back for this vid. Love all you GR folks! Very entertaining and puts a big ol smile on my face.

[@WyvernFalken]

I will generally be free for the wargames videos. Can't make the GR missions anymore I'm afraid. Thank you for the kind words!

[@teresaharmon4405]

@@WyvernFalken I understand RL just glad you can make it for the wargames. Keep being you and I will keep watching!

[@terryboyer1342]

For what it's worth. I was listening to one of the fighter pilot podcasts a few months ago. It was with active and retired USAF pilots. When the subject of HARMs came up there was a snort of disdain from several of them. "A waste of money and wing stations" was the general consensus. One of them was a veteran of the Bosnian action. He said the Serbs had 40 some SAM sites, mostly older SA-3s and 6s. He said the AF shot over 450 HARMs at them and not one scored a hit. Granted the Serbs were very clever in using their limited SAMs but that's a pretty poor record.

[@dasji2]

I argue the Serbs are more competent then the Russans

[@hemendraravi4787]

@@dasji2 who do u think thought them tricks ? the soviets lol.

[@fortweek_7389]

Can you point me to that podcast (Name and where it is). Serbs used radar emission imitators and new tactics to avoid HARMS. They would switch a search radar on, find a target, fire a missile at it's predicted intercept, turn a search radar off, move a targeting radar in position, wait for a pre calculated time before impact, turn a targeting radar on for final corrections (pilot would have only a few seconds to react), turn it off, turn on a radar emission imitator and turn them off after a few seconds. This would make a HARM go for the radar emission imitator but it wouldn't have enough time to get it's exact position and it would just fall between a radar and it's imitator.

[@GodWentAFK]

That's why HARMs are used for SEAD, not DEAD. They're used to force radars off so that they can be bombed right after the HARMs come in.

[@terryboyer1342]

@@fortweek_7389 I can't recall the exact podcast. Maybe The Afterburn Podcast??? It was on Utube. I've heard of those tactics also and that the Russians heavily use decoy emitters to counter HARMs.

[@Hiddenronin]

This had Death Star trench run vibes. Very tense and a great watch.

[@valuedhumanoid6574]

The idea of the Skunkworks modifying the enemy planes for use against those same enemies is the sexiest thing I have ever heard. And using a commercial iPad for the interface just makes me smile. Like this mission did. And yes, the Frogfoot is a special plane. Probably because it was all I had to shoot things for a long time. A well done to the modder who put Harms on your 29's and 25T's. He is the real hero today

[@No1sonuk]

There's a genuine photo around of an RAF Nimrod fitted with Sidewinders during the Falklands War...

[@Wolfe351]

@@No1sonuk pretty sure they fitted either Shrikes (the early HARM) or similar to a Vulcan too as part of a Blackbuck 2 raid....as the Vulcans had wing hard points for the Skybolt standoff missile

[@dan.vitale]

S-400s are way more effective in DCS than IRL it seems

[@PotatoeJoe69]

It's that way in most games pertaining to Russian weapon systems - SAM's and everything else included, because what can a game go off of other than what Russia claims.... and what Russia claims holds no weight anymore. Their "most powerful" weapons have proven to be overstated junk. Edit; something also worth noting, is that in no case have we seen any S-400 sites set up this well defended. The best we've seen were Russian photos from Crime with 2 S-400's next to each other, and only one Pantser, and that was one setup Russia was relying on to defend Crimea... so the amount of defenses in this video, I'm extremely doubtful of.

[@Mystical922]

@@PotatoeJoe69 you can spread the TEL’s out they aren’t necessarily have to be crammed together

[@override367]

because the S-400 user interface is brain melting to stare at and these men, who are underpaid and undertrained, have been staring at that screen for months.

[@Mystical922]

@@override367 I’ve seen numerous launches fail to lock on and blow up after launch I think their radar has problems with small ballistic targets and it’s anti-aircraft is much shorter than claimed

[@miriamweller812]

@@Mystical922 You do get that air defense got multiple layers of different systems and every system got their own range of targets it is fighting? You don't just shot with S-400 for example at everything that is coming in. Not how it works.

[@xShadowsithx]

The start scene with all MIGs above the trees looks very awesome

[@gwheeler1609]

Hello. Getting that external low level clip was brave.... I am not allowed to play DCS for professional reasons I won't go into here. But I would like to get into it in about a year. I notice there is a Steam and stand alone version. Is there a difference and is there a preference? Any advice for newbies?

[@No1sonuk]

Standalone doesn't rely on Steam working. Also, IIRC, there are some things that don't work on Steam.

[@Joe_Friday]

Weird. How is someone not allowed to play a game?

[@Shrike200]

Get the standalone version. There's no difference between the versions, but the in built auto update works perfectly well, is easy to manage, and drops the then needless complication of adding Steam to the mix. You don't miss out on special offers (of which there are many from Eagle Dynamics, as well as 'miles' which you accrue with purchases, and can use to get discount on your next buy) and you just buy directly from their site. Sometimes, modules are released, or patches are released slightly later on Steam as well, and if you're running the Open Beta version (which is, IMHO, the best option because you get all the lates fixes as they come out) then, again, the ED version is best. I have a lot of games on Steam, I've got no issue with it, but there really is no need to use it in this case. My 2c...

[@floydlooney6837]

Some eastern European allies had MiG-29's upgraded to fire US missiles. Some of those MiG's have been given to Ukraine.

[@yujacky8955]

It is reported that the MIG-29 that Ukraine had previously purchased from Poland, It has the function of launching AGM-88; Reminiscent of the early Iraqi Mirage F-1EQ integrated Kh-29 missile, The case of air strikes on Iranian radar positions + petrochemical facilities.

[@FlyingWithSpurts]

That MiG take-off and break was Sexy AF!

[@Anarchy_420]

12:48 you freakin touched the water!🤯😆👍

[@Istandby666]

Oh, someone has made a comment about that. I've noticed it also ..lol Damn boy, suck some water up. He's flying with the new liquid water jet engines.

[@Anarchy_420]

@@Istandby666 lmao right and then apparently it happened again later on when Grump noticed someone else hydro-jeting😂

[@dampsok]

@@Anarchy_420 That was me, both times lol.

[@Anarchy_420]

@@dampsok Yo Damp! Lol brilliant flying👍

[@Anarchy_420]

@@dampsok I guess you needed to cool your jets ;)

[@Skenderbeuismyhero]

This war certainly makes it seem like the Russian anti-missile systems have been highly over estimated.

[@5Andysalive]

the russian everything really.

[@ilo3456]

The Air Defence systems themselves are great, the issue is the human factor in this case, crew either being complacent or poorly trained, low morale, and the false feeling of safety being behind the lines

[@slartybarfastb3648]

@@ilo3456 No, the systems aren't great. They're being embarrassed in Syria as well. There's always some excuse made for them. After years of failures, it becomes safe to assess the systems as expensive, recreation vehicles. Great for camping but little else. I thought in Syria, it was due to Israel's incredibly good electronic warfare, tactics, and weapon's onboard countermeaseures. But these are the Russians operating their own systems. No export models here. No poorly trained foreign operators. There will never be a time when these systems will be more efficient. And...they're still just as ineffective as in Syria, against Ukraine who do not have the bleeding edge tech Israel has.

​@@slartybarfastb3648 Exactly. We give the ruzzians too much credit. Pansir gets blown up, oh the crew was sleeping, Ships gets sunk, oh blah blah blah. S400 gets hammered, oh it wasn't activated. Their weapons are junk. Most of them. Only 3rd world shitholes, middle eastern oil tyrannies and dictatorships buy their junk. No 1st world country buys any weapons from russia. Only the Chinese and they only buy small amounts to reverse engineer and create their own copies.

[@miriamweller812]

Regarding what? Ukro/NATO lies? Sure. If you believe all the nonsense from Ghost of Kiev over failing to take Kiev up to invincible HIMARS systems, having more tanks than ever and soon taking back Ukraien with 1 million soldiers, yeah, of course they fail in every regard. Problem is: that's fiction, where you can make up any nonsense, while reality gives a fuck about it.

[@TheSkilledballplaya]

21:00 "This canopy looks familiar" 😂😂😂 golden fella this Grumpnik, gotta love him..

[@homairi79]

In the 90s Americans bought two Su-27 from Belarus. They ware used for OPFOR training. But some legends says that those airframes ware upgraded to carry American made weapons AMRAAM, HARM and LGBs. Another legend says those two planes are no longer in the US.

[@Silo-Ren]

Awesome Boom! Cap. Nice to see those S-400 finally go down.

[@gremlin_uwu]

some people think the parts stuff is a discrete way of saying they have sent aircraft to Ukraine in parts, most likely Polish modernized Migs, those were modified to NATO standards which could mean they are compatible with US missiles

[@FenrisSulfr]

Damn that was sexy flying!! Both with the Fulcrum and the Frogfoots!! Got some nice screenshots^^ Go GR!!

[@onerimeuse]

We did send them uavs too, so it could be modified drones as well.

[@No1sonuk]

Someone else suggested drones, but IIRC, that was denied as the HARM is too heavy.

[@-Angel-68]

Спасибо Всем кто помогает Украине в этой не лёгкой войне против зла и тьмы которую несёт путинский режим!Слава Украине! Героям Слава!

[@No1sonuk]

Google Translate result so you don't have to: "Thanks to everyone who helps Ukraine in this not easy war against evil and darkness brought by the Putin regime! Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!"

[@DE-rd1zl]

The low level flights in both the MiG 29 and SU 25 was impressive.

[@pogo1140]

BTW. The os material say the S-300 engagement radar is limited to tracking 6 targets and controlling 12 missiles in the air. Has anyone tested this, I've never had the chance to test it.

[@Yorickunderscore]

That was some sexy flying crossing the Sea in Fulcrums.

[@SolNacht]

Came for Cap and the HARMs stayed for Grumpnik.

[@WyvernFalken]

🙃

[@trevorday7923]

I dare say this is especially interesting for Matrix, since when he was with the RAF he was flying AGAINST MiG-29s

[@rinzler9775]

If they are, its quite amazing that the weapons mount and firing system are compatible.

[@drexchan]

Back in 2016, Royal Malaysian AF successfully dropped GBU-12 from their Su-30MKM, probably guided by a laser pod of one of the western platforms.

[@kibathemechanic4967]

Y'all definitely earned your YGBSM patches today.

[@PotatoeJoe69]

There's a photo floating around of a Ukrainian MiG-29 with an AGM-88 attached. The photo popped up around the same time Russia released the photo of the remnants of the alleged HARM. I wouldn't be remotely surprised if we've upgraded Ukrainian aircraft to use NATO weapons. In fact, that's the most reasonable thing too suspect; since this war doesn't look like it's gonna end any time soon, and inevitably, all we can continuously supply is our own NATO weapons. It only makes sense to adapt their aircraft for NATO missiles. Edit: On the same note; I'll add that I'd expect to see AIM-7's and older AIM-9's like L's and M's being fit to Ukrainian fighters in the near future, definitely AGM-65's and other, older air to ground weapons; and likely in the next few years, Ukraine will probably start flying some F-16's.

[@No1sonuk]

There's a genuine photo of an RAF Nimrod fitted with AIM-9s during the Falklands war, so it's probably not that hard.

[@jackroutledge352]

@@No1sonuk yes, the sidewinder is famously unfussy about what it's hanging off.

[@richardmeredith69]

Don’t forget the US has Mig 29s! We’ve also had Russian equipment from Afghanistan and East Germany .. used to drive by them on base as kid. And Germany has Mig 29s.

[@mcelravys]

I completely get the loose cyclic idea for the UH1H. I took the spring off of my old Saitek. Makes all the difference. I just need to lube it up and get a rubber stick shift collar for it. I’ll use my warthog stick for planes.

[@rubiconnn]

If you want a loose feeling for heli flying with the TM warthog, try getting a stick extension long enough so that the base is on the ground. The extra length and leverage makes it so the built in spring can barely hold the stick upright for the TM warthog stick and the extra leverage gets rid of all of the stiction issues with it.

[@mcelravys]

@@rubiconnn I will keep that in mind. For now though that’s not an option. Hopefully after Christmas.

[@chrisinstasis7986]

Some bloody awesome bits of footage on the ride into target.

[@196cupcake]

It isn't a Grim Reapers video unless Cap says "for f-'s sake! GET A NEW ONE."

[@tomcardale5596]

21:37

[@davegymer]

Talk on PPRUNE was that these may also have been adapted to fire from ground-based launchers.

[@JohnDoe_Poland]

Jesus Christ my face 🤣🤣🤣 Amazing video guys! Love it! More Ukraine content please 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@normansimonsen1203]

Vodka brand clorox. Girlfriend mop.

[@c.g.262]

Can’t wait for ED’s full fidelity MiG-29A. It’s going to be a good time. - Starscream

[@SolNacht]

Grim Reapers motto: If brute force didn't work you didn't use enough"

[@simonmoorcroft1417]

Good job. Sierra Hotel. I actually think the Russian SAM's in DCS perform better than the real world systems. A GMLRS rocket flying in a ballistic trajectory should be an easier target than HARM and have similar velocities and yet the Russians are struggling to splash them. Yes-GMRLS is a fast pop-up target...and so is AGM-88 if you carry out a pop-up launch like the Reapers. Pantsir definitely seems over-rated. Real world performance seems somewhat mediocre in comparison.

[@NuclearFalcon146]

From a gaming perspective however DCS might not be as fun if those systems did not have sufficient performance IN GAME. They are the latest systems and thus a full site of them should be a "boss level" enemy.

[@Madnot4]

@@NuclearFalcon146 I believe you are thinking this is a role playing game rather than an attempt at simulation

[@NuclearFalcon146]

@@Madnot4 Not an RPG, a simulation GAME! Now actual pilots debate it being a game or a sim, C.W. Lemoine (IRL F-16/F/A-18 pilot) says it is a GAME but Casmo (IRL AH-64/OH-58) calls it a simulation. It is both in some regards. However many play it as a GAME and thus want aspects of a game such as win conditions and challenges.

[@ziggystardink9389]

I think the other thing that GR is doing that is probably not real world correct is they are deploying full batteries with all available missile types. Also they are putting 6 Pantsir's to protect the site. If they cut the sites by a third and restrict to 3 missile types. with 1 or 2 pantsir thy might be closer to reality. Or they can put the actual S400 site that was shown in RU videos that was blow up dummies.

[@Madnot4]

@@NuclearFalcon146 no balance is in mind when modules or features are added, just accuracy. You're making up that stuff lol

[@grinder7038]

Awsome formations flying there! And good vid as always :D

[@larswhitt1549]

Yup, that was bith some nice flying and good talk up to boom/boom

[@johnhodgson4216]

Cap been trying to kill a S-400 many, many times...4 mins into the video. can't wait for the outcome.

[@3idraven714]

If you can do it with a SU-25, try it with a A-10, or a F-16 (compared to a MIG-29), it's been reported that UKR is training A-10 and F-16 pilots.

[@DWillis7]

Russian SAMs definitely over-perform in DCS.

[@dangkhoaoto]

How can Mig-29 and su-25 use AGM-88 in DCS game? Got an edit or a new mod? Can you guide how to do that? Thank!

[@_Yep_Yep_]

Thank you for more Ukraine scenarios, GR. I sort of expect that enough people watch your channel that it might actually make it into a real world strategy. It would be good fun if some gamer genius made an RC drone mod for whatever game this is so you guys could build a fifty thousand dollar DIY swarm of bombers and take out fifty million worth of Russian assets :)

[@davet80000]

in light of this, can they hit the crimean bridge & / or sites surrounding? good RP mission perhaps

[@uapnz0698]

We love captain GrumpNikk

[@WyvernFalken]

Grumpnik loves you!

[@259559ful]

A wild weasal f16 pilot said the HARM was next to useless against SAMs and they employees other weapons to actually kill SAMs. This was on the fighter pilot podcast.

[@override367]

Can we get a version of DCS that accurately models Russia's apparent inability to actually use their S-400s

[@sturmgeschutze3070]

Just remove the ammunition, that’ll do.

[@WyvernFalken]

Just set ROE to SAFE or Return Fire. :)

[@MegaRadarlove]

That was Magnum full blast, great flying guys.

[@WyvernFalken]

Full send!

[@MegaRadarlove]

I found out who lost their canopy I think and scooped up water in their intakes. Funny talk too. ;)

[@Tomasm21]

Not bad. But Su-25 Frogfoots cannot carry AGM-88 HARMs. I haven't heard of it. But I believe that if technicians did it to Mig-29 Fulcrum they can do it to any plane. Nice video.

[@3idraven714]

So all you need is a aircraft that has radar detection, load up a HARM, point it in the right direction, and launch, it does the rest. That makes HARM a "cross platform" weapon.

[@WilliamNeacy]

Thanks for disassembling your MiG-29's Poland!!

[@charlietheunicorn5383]

Very entertaining. This is likely not far from the truth. Perhaps have a few drones drop chafe and other reflectives to confuse the S400 radar and give the HARMS a better chance of success. 88Cs featured here are not even the most advanced version in the NATO arsenal (88Es), which is a scary thought at how potent these missiles truly are when employed properly in a high threat environment.

[@MTBScotland]

Well done to Grump for not having premature shooting off on the runway

[@WyvernFalken]

Ahhh Grumpnik would never do that. Grumpmeister, on the other hand...

[@JollyOng2]

Subscribed. Awesome work you do there. Hope you don't mind me asking what simulation software are you using? thanks much.

[@williamwatkins821]

they’re using DCS! if you’ve got the computer for it, i highly recommend it

[@JollyOng2]

@@williamwatkins821 Thanks William! :)

[@dampsok]

@@JollyOng2 If you need some help getting into it, stop by our discord, we've got a great community to help get you started.

[@JollyOng2]

@@dampsok i'd love to. thanks for inviting me. tbh i haven't downloaded the game since i'm not sure if my laptop can run the game. hoping it can at least on low graphic settings. what's the discord channel's name? thanks again.

[@dampsok]

@@JollyOng2 the discord link is in the information about the video, just push the drop down arrow.

[@lohrtom]

Jesus, the exhaust on the MiG-29s makes me think they are coal powered.

[@richardhockey8442]

built in smoke screen, just like the Kuznetzov

[@pogo1140]

Yep, a lot like the F-4 Phantom

[@oldfashionedwrx3574]

24:38 why does it tell you where missiles are?

[@Istandby666]

Mirrors? We don't need no damn mirrors. If it's behind me, it's already wasted. Death and destruction is the only thing behind me...lol

[@gail_blue]

Seems like it wouldn't be too difficult to make an autopilot skim the surface of sea.

[@therealdebater]

8:20 ... and sheer stubborn GR-ocity ;-)

[@Bradygoat6390]

Skunkworks makes great superchargers for Hondas

[@ForestBlue7]

That was some serious cinematic shit Grim Reapers! Woo hot damn, great balls of fire!!!

[@ProjectADOC]

Will this HARM mod be available for GP?

[@speedkiller3026]

Flying in a straight line is too much to ask for these guys

[@WyvernFalken]

We fly as straight as our sexualities. :)

[@dampsok]

@@WyvernFalken Which is not straight at all, by the way... Ooh, piece of candy! :D

[@markever234]

Just shows the Russian Bias of video games/propaganda to make them a "Challenge" to USA/European technology. I'm glad we are seeing their actual capabilities.

[@heyoka33]

Grimm reaper: Have you ever used stealth against a bi- static radar defense system?

[@TheFuzzypuddle]

This technique seems to be the common strategy used in so many scenarios, not only on this channel, but also in other wargames. Modern-ish and advanced AA systems are good enough that the way to beat them is to throw enough shit at the wall until something sticks. I wonder how realistic this is. I wonder if it is economically viable, especially if some planes are lost during the mission. The sinking of the Moskva is an obvious exception regardless of the proposed possibilities for the failure. It couldn't defend against 2 low flying anti-ship missiles. I wonder how many missiles it took to strike Nefedorovka airfield recently. Or, more precisely, I wonder how many were fired vs. how many were defended vs. how many hit on target. Of course, I am assuming the airfield was defended with at least some sort of AA system. idk

[@sir0herrbatka]

Moskva was the peak 70s tech.

[@No1sonuk]

What's odd about Nefedorovka is last I heard, the Russians were saying it wasn't hit by anything, and the Ukrainians said they didn't hit it. 🤔

[@TheFuzzypuddle]

@@No1sonuk ​ That's interesting. I can understand the Russians denying it because they did a similar thing with the Moskva. But, I had not heard about the Ukrainians denying it. That's odd. I wonder what really happened. If the Ukrainians did hit it, would this be the first major strike on "Russian" soil? I use the term Russian soil simply because as far as I know the base is in Crimea, which Russia has occupied and "owned" since 2014, I think. I realize Crimea is Ukraine, just sayin'.

[@TheFuzzypuddle]

@@sir0herrbatka Fair point. Though, I think we (NATO) were under the impression it was armed with a fairly upgraded and capable air defense system. I could be completely wrong. I have not done a deep dive into the ship's current, well what was current, capabilities. Maybe I'll go back and look at some of the information experienced Navy people, like sub brief's channel, put out at the time.

[@sir0herrbatka]

@@TheFuzzypuddle No... Moskva entered service in 1982 (year of the Falkland war) and since then it was never modernized (there was attempt to that in an Ukrainian shipyard, but Russians didn't pay so Ukrainians got pissed and removed new hardware). It was a completely outdated ship, kept in service because there was no suitable replacement in sight.

[@3idraven714]

Great Video!!! Well done guys!

[@Istandby666]

13:00...when the said hit the deck. They didn't mean to suck water into your intake. I'm glad they didn't blow up.

[@dampsok]

I did that to bring a little bit of russian waters back to my crew chief. He will love the gift for his maintenance crew. :)

[@marke5335]

If that tweet reads "Under Secretary of Defense Colin Powell", it comes straight out of the Twilight Zone. Colin Powell was never an Under Secretary of Defense and sadly he passed away last October at age 84.

[@Blixer7]

To defeat the Sam's should you attack from different directions all at once to confuse the guiding radar?

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Radars can deal with multiple targets. Look at air traffic control towers, they have aircraft from all directions and they don't get confsed.

[@cjcolehour2778]

Considering the s-400 and panzer have been compresably shown to not be able to take on drones, I doubt they could take out a hrarm like that.

[@override367]

I think the problem is that the crew is incredibly poorly trained and the software is ass

[@T-SUS]

Photos of the wreckage of downed drones are probably made up, write more nonsense. By the way, a lot of targets have been set over Crimea today

[@miriamweller812]

You don't shot at some garbage drones with S-400... And Panzir takes down drones by the dozens every day.

[@SatanTwister]

That was a sexy formation with a sexy plane, a bit wobbly but really good looking. Those analog avionics man.

[@charlietheunicorn5383]

I guess there is one other option not gamed out on this video, the Ukrainians are operating some older model F16s (donated by NATO countries looking to upgrade to F35s) for specialized strike missions. Not saying this is likely, but there are rumors.

[@Davros-vi4qg]

When a ex rl low level pilot says he’d like an easier mission, u know it’s been a real challenge! MiG29 + HARM = BOOM!!!

[@No1sonuk]

If he's a Tornado pilot, he's missing his terrain-following radar. ;)

[@WyvernFalken]

@@No1sonuk He was a former Jaguar pilot. I imagine those are easier to fly than a Fulcrum

[@dampsok]

The mig is something else to handle in this... a little bit of stick goes a long way.

[@No1sonuk]

@@WyvernFalken Yup - Jaguar had TF radar too by the looks of it.

[@becauseiwasinverted743]

I was able to put the HARM on the 29 but I cannot fire them, please help :)

[@jameshewitt8828]

I literally just watched Forces news where they mentioned the possibility of this happening

[@TheErmerm999]

formation at 3 foot high, thats some serious skill,

[@AlexTiffinYT]

Informative and educational as always Reapers

[@sonar357]

You guys look like the Rebel Alliance racing over the ice fields of Hoth