Could PATRIOT Or NASAMS Protect Ukraine From Russian Supersonic Missiles? (WarGames 66) | DCS

[@grimreapers]

Ukraine-Russia Series: Fulcrum/Flanker vs Foxbat/Super Flanker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eJm7l6uZbpl9d7c NASAMS vs Russian Cruise Missiles: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnuskJVvas-tps0 Russian KH-47M2 vs Polish Air Force: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZ_Vh6ungZqkb9k Su-27 & Drone vs Snake Island: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ipDSg6KLZ6asnNE Su-25s vs Russian Convoy At Kyiv: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKq5Z2iYiq-tqNk NATO Eurofighters vs Crimean AWACS: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5qtY5d8h81sa8k Patriot, Gepard & Gripen vs KH-65: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJnblaWEn86aZ8k A-10s vs Russian Convoy At Kyiv: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGHXi6KlZdp_npY USN Tomahawk Strike Kerch Bridge: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqfTmmuud96ajJo USAF Stealth Strike Kerch Bridge: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3vFl2x4mN2hrZI Ukrainian Jets Strike Kerch Bridge: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f2mppqCrj7eYeJY F-22 Raptors vs Russian Fighters: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eaDQg5ajp9x9jc0 Raptor/Eagle vs Super Flanker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZbUiqCriKqiY5o USAF Bombers vs Mariupol Defenses: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l3TWk6KFfJWEi5Y Ukraine Bombs Snake Island: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eImZammDgMmemJo Stealth Fighters vs Russian Bombers: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKrQamOgo7Z3qaM Sinking Of Moskva #3: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hHrNoKx_nsqCsLs Sinking Of Moskva #2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qZ_Nl5WglKqqjZY Sinking Of Moskva #1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKnamWmDfLF9hMU Russia Nukes Britain: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKvOZWiIe7aqd5o Ukraine Uses Danish F-16s: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2izmp6opZWEl7s Ukraine Uses Polish Mig-29s: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHTMZad3ft-ohbc Russian-Britain Missile Attack: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKiseJmXl9utfqM Ghost Of Kyiv: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6PGpWuMadNkY7c Belgorod Raid: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4LcnIeuqZuZqtk Eurofighter/Fulcrum vs Super Flanker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g4Hcepymes2aiJI US Strike vs Odessa kzbin.info/www/bejne/gZbMgHudr86WbLs Russian Helo Rocket Lob: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2KbeJp9o7WSqa8 Russian Su-25 vs US Patriot SAM: kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6TTZ2yQecSnhZI Understanding Russian SAMs: kzbin.info/www/bejne/iGXbhauCg7-Lmdk Ukrainian Jets Road Operations: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnPTq4SentODmNk Russian 40 Mile Convoy: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKPCXmV8gcefeM0 Flanker vs Super Flanker: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jICkpoJ8ga96oZY

[@Anarchy_420]

Yo Cap check this out, THAAD-- kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6LImniCi8meiKs Need to send some of these to Ukraine and DCS Needs This!

[@Kaus5221]

@GrimReapers why dont you host the server in the cloud so you dont have to host everyone on your system?

[@nichtpeter9589]

What about this: As we all know, tensions have recently been rising between Russia and Lithuania because there is a trade blockade going on which affects the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad. So could the Russian Air Force conduct a successful surprise attack on Siauliai air base in Lithuania in order to basically scare them off? NATO fighter jets (Czech Gripens and Spanish legacy Hornets) are stationed there which would scramble when needed; Lithuania also possesses 2 NASAMS batteries which would defend their air base. Russia has Su-30SMs stationed in Kaliningrad and they might also launch several cruise missiles at stand-off range from bombers in Belarusian air space. The Su-30SMs would probably be superior compared to the rather old NATO fighters - but they also need to suppress the SAM sites with anti-radiation missiles in order to ensure that the cruise missiles will come through. This might make for an interesting scenario ...

[@jamegumb7298]

Either Lithuania allows aall traffic or there gonna be issues. Russia said so. And they said worse about fascist Estonian language laws (requiring Estonian government to use Estonian over Russian). Then there is the Latvian dispute which still is in courts. I think all of the Baltics gonna go.

[@ChugLifePodcast]

@@jamegumb7298 I think Russia is going to blow.

[@roostersideburns3440]

lithuania is part of nato, which means wed all go to war

[@jamegumb7298]

@@roostersideburns3440 If Poland gets the short end of Russia's stick, yes. If they go and try Romania, they got a fight. The Baltics have very small armies and can be overwhelmed fast. Russia needs to rush sea cyka, and be there in under 48 hours which is NATO reaction time making the trade of the Baltics a fait accompli. Then you have NATO doing a costly counterattack from the shores. Other one is they might just want the Fulda Gap, or claim so to get a landbridge to Kaliningrad.

[@flintb6559]

@@jamegumb7298 100% correct and this is exactly what will happen longterm, this is exactly what the EU has caused with their "solution". Just one minor correction: Fulda Gap was in germany during Cold War 1, this one is the Suwalki Gap.

[@gotham6490]

Always a gas to watch you play like little boys. Here's an unfortunate but potential scenario that would be cool to see(only as a game!): Iranian ballistic attack vs Israel's multi layered defense systems. Thanx and keep hits coming.

[@grimreapers]

Agree but I can't get Iron Dome working in game :(

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

@@grimreapers DCS clearly has limits, in so far as what it's programmed to do.

[@eitamr]

@@grimreapers iron dome isn't made for that range threat anyway. for those ranges you need US's AEGIS SM3 & THAAD. and Israel's Arrow system. though all of those are still in service and so very classified, so no hope for any meaningfully simulation

[@redssracer4153]

Thumbs up for SuperCap, for asking (bullying) RC, to break away from his pillow at 4AM, on a weekend, to partake in some GR DCS experimentations...👍👍 And thumbs up to RC, for consenting (caving-in) to Cap, and leave a treasured sleeping companion home alone, in the pursuit of GR DCS knowledge... before the crack of dawn... on a weekend...👍👍 Now that's some dedication!!😁😁

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@bullholder]

What is interesting is that these scenarios don't include the decoys that are being used by the Russian side. We have seen a lot of footage recently of Ukrainian SAMs being misdirected against decoys while the cruise missiles get through. That could make things more interesting...

[@ser43_OLDC]

@@mrp6870 yes but ukraine aren't using modern Sam's, the s300 system they have are the first version, the ones that left over the USSR went it fall

[@hemendraravi4787]

Wait what decoys ? Can u show me a vid , or name of decoys , idk what’s the name of Russian decoys

[@dan.vitale]

I do find it hard, when they're using anti-ship missiles and SAMS for ground targets, to think they have anything like decoys they can use right now.

[@ser43_OLDC]

@@hemendraravi4787 just search Iskander misile dekoys and you will see it

[@hemendraravi4787]

@@ser43_OLDC thx

[@TheGamingTray22]

Y'alls the reason I'm getting DCS, keep up the great work!

[@flopflipped_at3762]

Dude it's a deep hole but it's great. I'm like 2 weeks in playing on my quest, hotas all set up and trackIR on the way. Just started in on multiplayer. F18 for my first module, going well so far. Landing still hard LOL

[@TheGamingTray22]

@@flopflipped_at3762 I play war thunder rn and my buddy’s wanted me to get dcs but grim reapers are what pushed me to it

[@bobeyes3284]

DCS is free. Why don't you already have it?

[@TheGamingTray22]

@@bobeyes3284 not enough space, I have to delete one of my games to download it and I’m trying to figure out which game is less important than dcs

[@rubiconnn]

@@TheGamingTray22 Compared to the amount of money you will want to sink into HOTAS and stuff a new 2tb SSD is cheap lol.

[@BravoCheesecake]

I'd like to see current day Western defenses against hyper-sonics. Maybe something like SM-6 high altitude interceptions?

[@bekeneel]

What does it matter tho, who's gonna fire hypersonic missiles lol? Russia is even running out of the subsonic ones, they mostly use. In late stage it isn't hypersonic anymore too i think.

[@BravoCheesecake]

@@bekeneel ??? At least try to make a little sense

[@grimreapers]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZ_Vh6ungZqkb9k kzbin.info/www/bejne/epvGgqGoq7J7mKM

[@bekeneel]

@@BravoCheesecake not sure i have to take a reaction from a pussy called "Labia" serious 🤣

[@zahnatom]

i think the issue here might have been that the missiles were fired at such a close range that they were still going MAX speed. i dont think russia would want to risk their precious bombers and thus would fire the missiles from further away resulting in a lower terminal velocity.

[@grimreapers]

Noted.

[@torjones1701]

I think you're going to need SR-71 for a chase plane for that one...

[@cz1589]

lol, exactly my toughts

[@castlekingside76]

The problem in the game is the S400 is overpowered. They've shot nothing down in the Ukraine and are being withdrawn. Besides, the Israelis have defeated both the s400 and the s300.

[@miriamweller812]

Sure, when you believe Ukrainian propaganad, they have lost nothing at all while shooting down 1000s of Russian jets with bare hands.

[@markbreton1620]

U.S. ground based anti-air systems have always been lacking. The patriot system was designed to shoot down targets on a ballistic (predictable) trajectory and was about 60/40 at that. SM-2/6 on the other hand is pretty good, but badly modeled in DCS. IRL SM2's can be rippled out and assigned/re-assigned targets on the fly. Same for AMRAAMs.

[@jonctr]

Great - thanks for testing that out !

[@sergeantliangplays]

I didn't read the whole title and wondered: How can NASA come up with an air defence?

[@tomcardale5596]

I love that introduction from RC!

[@drexchan]

Do they shoot at destroyed targets or the remnants of the targets?

[@grimreapers]

Don;t think so.

[@theymusthatetesla3186]

Hi Cap....watched you drumming on GR2 the other day.....very impressive!

[@grimreapers]

Thanks, been under weather in last few weeks but looking forward to getting back into it.

[@sleeplessknight99]

Hey Reapers video idea: Could one of you guys survive an Itano Circus? You could even make it a challenge. For reference, an itano circus is a trope in anime when someone fires a ridiculous amount of missiles at a single target. You'd probably need to have multiple aircraft launch simultaneously on a single target. Even better if the missiles leave contrails. Regardless of whether or not the target survives, it will still be fun to look at!

[@grimreapers]

will try!

[@chrisinstasis7986]

For a brief second about 7:15 the Backfire looked like a Lambda class shuttle.

[@JaneCobbsHat]

always fun to watch you play those sims. How about the new Polish IADS that Poland started building, we're talking a combination of PAC-3 and CAMM missiles with AESA radars?

[@grimreapers]

Sadly game currently maxes out at Pac-2.

[@ricbish]

Hey CAP great video again, thank you for making it and sharing it! I had a question for you please, where do I get the Russian Pantsir missile system? I can’t seem to find it. Is this a Mod or a unit that hasn’t been released yet? Thank you and thanks again for all you and the whole GR team do to help make this simulation awesome

[@grimreapers]

Go check the most recent GR vs S-400 vid, pretty I put download links in there thx.

[@Francoismag1]

How did you do to make the TU-22 shoot its KH-22 to a land target/building? On my editor it is only possible against naval target. Is there a mod being used ? If so is it possible to know where to find it ? Thanks a lot to anyone who will reply :)

[@forMacguyver]

"You got me up at 4:00 in the morning" ah the sacrifices, the sacrifices. All in the name of god, country and Grim Reapers !😎

[@grimreapers]

sorry Mike!

[@jamison884]

Hey Cap, I love these types of test videos. Regarding the NASAMS, I think it's another case of DCS simply not being able to model the actual radar accurately. The US is using more modern radar than in-game assets. From the research I've done, the mobile radar used for the US Army and NASAMS itself is a mature system with multiple revisions, and it's based on AESA radar found in current-generation USAF fighter jets. However, it's possibly even more powerful than the version on the front of modern fighter jets due to the capability of hauling around the power supply/generator on the back of a vehicle rather than being forced to fit the generator, cooling, electronics, and mounting hardware all within the nose cone and airframe. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/MPQ-64_Sentinel

[@grimreapers]

Thanks a lot. Yup very possible.

[@sonisani9435]

@@grimreapers why you fire 80 misile + decoy when usa attack rusian air defence but when you play rusian side you put 50 patriot sistem and 9 rusian rocket.. try fire 80 rocket on patriot site or nasam site

[@superprogamer3765]

7:11 i get that alot too

[@sail72]

Thanks for the video valued reapers!

[@neilwilkins9002]

Thank you guys for this series, I agree if they were not such a terrible weapon watching then go vertical should come with tango and popcorn...FYI I did get notification of this video....keep up the great work I bought a couple of mods in dcs and IL-2 even though I haven't quite got a rig to play yet purely on your escapades

[@theclassicliberal1915]

“Oh tree, Greta won’t be happy” super Cap. Love it.

[@gaxanuziagain1748]

Good to hear the dulcet tones of RC again.

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@willwozniak2826]

Thanks for the Birthday present Reapers...

[@wastool]

12:29 wow that was close.

[@aubreyburke6829]

CAP and RC best combination ever.

[@rodbey9318]

What I remember about the gulf War was the air raid horns and sirens going off before the Patiot Batteries would shoot down the Scud missels

[@lostsoul4680]

Hows about doing himars equivalent mlrs vs russian sam systems in a countrr battery role, or against the sams themselves?

[@grimreapers]

will do tomorrow.

[@rubiconnn]

It might be a bit overkill but does DCS have the THAAD?

[@grimreapers]

Not yet.

[@michaelhenninger513]

Amazing job gentlemen. But still in a simulation you have to give 10% of computer error and as they clean up how gear works that percentage will drop

[@grimreapers]

yup

[@ShionWinkler]

The Aegis Ashore system with RIM-161 SM-3's can take out Russian Hypersonic missiles and ICBM's, and we have two up and running in Europe, one in Romania, operational since 2016, and one in Poland, came online in June of this year(2022). With a range of over 550 miles and a speed of Mach 13.2, being guided by the US's advanced AN/SPY-1 3D radar system the SM-3's are amazing SAM's.

[@charlietheunicorn5383]

If RC is game, how about he "try" to shoot down one of the missiles with his own AA missile, when it is first deployed / launched. AIM 9x, AIM 120 and Meteor amongst a few worth checking out.... for testing!

[@grimreapers]

I like this,

[@samblackstone3400]

Russian jets use JP54 which is a better kerosene for cold temperatures but has similar properties to other jet fuels when burned. The reason the afterburner on the tu-22m is blue is that it runs lean so the engine has more oxygen in the exhaust than needed to burn all the fuel. This is more efficient in theory but also much hotter than the fuel rich afterburner cycle found on jets like the F-111.

[@Doc_Roe]

I wonder if a C-Ram could engage them if they are close enough to the C-Ram. Or a ships Phalanx

[@Ken_Koonz]

I doubt it would be very effective given the speed of the hypersonic weapon and the short engagement range, and therefore time, of a CIWS. I am curious to see if my assumption is correct though.

[@Doc_Roe]

@@Ken_Koonz Im thinking the same thing, Could be interesting

[@robandcheryls]

Lmao, love the banter and stay for the violence of pixels. 🇨🇦 Vet

[@edtim1984]

Greetings from Ukraine. Thanks for the video. It would be interesting to see what is better for Ukraine: F-15, F-16 or F-18?

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@愛を込めてロシアから]

Для украины лучше сдаться

[@bene2216]

The Flakpanzer Gepart is only against larger targets like planes an helis

[@SolNacht]

Geppard could not shot them down as the missles used are bugged and cannot be gunned down..

[@Michael-rg7mx]

In real life. Anything going Mach 5 that runs into a cloud of shrapnel from a missile at Mach 5 will be destroyed. That would be like sitting on the runway with Mach 10 bbs hitting you. A mini gun would work.

[@raa729]

It’s all fantasy, even hypersonic real ne goes below Mach 3 below 20k ft otherwise evaporate. Problem is modern western weapon is fully secret, Russian public fake stats readily, so game blindly put this crap in. Shameless but the devs are Russians so what do you expect

[@hemendraravi4787]

How fast do the sharpnel travel ? And it depends on where it explodes + the missiles are like 500m apart each other + it won’t do much unless it’s explodes directly in front , or close

[@bruhmomento4590]

@@hemendraravi4787 clouds can damage a hypersonic projectile pretty badly, so imagine shrapnel impacting a hypersonic

[@hemendraravi4787]

@@bruhmomento4590 yea , but just a curious question how fast do sharpnel travel ? And depending on how the explosive it , it also depends on the missiles angle right ? And depending on the able it might over shoot the missile ?

[@miriamweller812]

A big point of the hypersonic missiles from Russia and China are not only their speed - they maneuvre. So when the missiles sees a rocket coming, it can dodge it, while the rocket is simply not fast enough to intercept it without flying where the missile should be if flying in a straight line, what it simply doesn't.

[@Silo-Ren]

If you build it, it will go "BOOM" right Cap? 😇

[@grimreapers]

That's what I've always said yes.

[@dan.vitale]

News today that Ukraine are getting their first two NASAMS batteries. Hopefully more will follow.

[@niklaslund2204]

They already got a few to protect kiev. Was actually sent quite early in the war, however never listed as much other

[@hendrikdependrik1891]

I hope Ukraine get some Patriots as well for high-value targets.

[@heathb4319]

yes let's protect the n w o from being destroyed by rush sha. just 2 years ago it was found out the the government of you crane was the hub of a lot of evil. Pray for the peole caught in the middle...but this needs to happen and WE need to stay out of it other than humanitarian needs for the people.

[@franktank4360]

THAADS better then the two...

[@shin0bili]

Russia already has one of NATOs HIMARS lolol. The NASAMS will be the latest addition to the Russian arsenal 🤣

[@MrTommy0201]

Send 50 missles,they won’t send below 10

[@MrDJAK777]

NASAMS probably saw it was KH-22s and figured they wouldn't hit the target anyway. They have a CEP that ranges from hundreds of meters to 5km (where TF do the other half go)

[@trevorday7923]

I vaguely remember hearing somewhere the MiG-25 Foxbat COULD just about crack Mach 3, at the cost of absolutely WRECKING their engines through overspeeding. Is that actually true?

[@Kevin-hb7yq]

Do these systems work better or worse if they are off to the side?

[@zekendoe4340]

how are the letters in your plane so clear? and why cant i see my legs?

[@nigeldepledge3790]

RC would have had a fighting chance to keep up with the missiles if you had given him an SR-71 . . .

[@Scott11078]

As a former Sailor I'm saddened to rarley if ever see anyone use the Aegis and standard series missiles. Not sure how well any game models them but I really got to see what that system can do and it's really world class.

[@virginccyy7645]

I think the stats, the real configuration is classified.

[@grantechsweng5268]

i have a mission with a cruiser w SM2. - and a Patriot bty, 3 NASAM, Avengers. Pretty cool set of air defense. IAD would help.

[@thesandwichfreak3780]

The PATRIOT battery was too close to the attack site. Place them 10 to 15 miles across the river behind the site of the attack.

[@lucky_luke4785]

CV-59 fire showed a single zuni can take out a carrier

[@grimreapers]

Agree.

[@pogo1140]

Odd, the NASAMs do launch against Kh-65's. I could not get the bombers to launch against buildings unless I plant an object or vehicle as the target.

[@92HazelMocha]

Probably more about response time than capabilites. Were you using additional radars and what was your ai skill set to?

[@grimreapers]

High skill and no one NASAMS radar per mini-battery

[@pogo1140]

@@92HazelMocha Regular. the bomber would just go to the nav point where it receives the attack orders and turn and go home without launching. Only way I could get it to launch missiles was to have it target the NASAM or target a static object or vehicle that I put in the building.

[@pogo1140]

@@grimreapers Each NASAM battery has a radar, a c2 and 4 launcher vehicle. It launches against KH-65 and other subsonic missiles but only the AIM-120C launchers seem to launch against the supersonic KH-22

[@lordisback1947]

The funniest thing is patriot has a angled launcher unlike Russian air defence systems with vertical launcher that means if the launcher is facing East (Russia) it is vulnerable against West (NATO), North (Belarus), South (Black sea). And these missiles are superfast if the operaters decide to rotate the launcher by moving it manually then also it's almost impossible

[@MTBScotland]

Could Sky Sabre (Camm) defend against russian missiles given it has been sent to poland.

[@katielynch328]

I don’t know if you’ll read this but I was wondering if you could ask one of your American 🇺🇸 friends in the navy or some form of the military if they, the soldiers want to go to Ukraine officially? Maybe to redeem the Debacle when leaving afghan? I know that was a little embarrassing but not their fault. LMK I would really like to know what their opinion is on the matter. I know it’s hard for me to sit home and watch this at home hours in my day but I follow it closely. And pray the war ends swiftly with Ukraine's success

[@dexlab7539]

HAHAHA “Tree - Oh Greta wont be happy” 😂🤣😂

[@trev8591]

Interesting test, chaps.

[@defensefanbd2237]

Which supersonic missiles are these??

[@grimreapers]

Kitchens

[@tiadiad]

7:45 Murder is cool!

[@foshizzlfizzl]

Does anyone can tell me the modification of the Kh-22, which is hypersonic? Or is this scenario just pretending being a hypersonic weapon?

[@grimreapers]

KH-22 is supersonic, not hypersonic. It is supersonic in game.

[@michaelmiles933]

Have you checked to see if a tomcat can takeoff and land with it's wings back? Is that even possible to test? How long would the runway be? Would it work on a carrier? Could be fun to find out. Keep up the good work gentlemen 👌

[@grimreapers]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHW2oYmlfbuCnqM

[@xntumrfo9ivrnwf]

How accurate is this game? 1st time I’m seeing your videos (awesome btw)

[@92HazelMocha]

For the offical modules I believe GR testing has showed they're accurate to about a 5% margin of error. With the user made stuff, it varies pretty heavily.

[@grimreapers]

^^ agree with Ian.

[@xntumrfo9ivrnwf]

@@92HazelMocha dope, thanks

[@alexandrnoskov5437]

I don’t understand how Americans in the 21st century cannot make air defense with a vertical rocket launch. Every fraction of a second counts, and US engineers continue to think in the old categories of "sector of fire", "probable attack vector" and so on. I wonder how you plan to shoot down Sarmat, if he can fly in from any direction at all?

[@Anderson_Hwang]

Ballistic missiles are “ballistic”, they must travel in a straight line and the only difference is the trajectory. That is why American air defense only face a single direction

[@alexandrnoskov5437]

@@Anderson_Hwang Sarmat has a range greater than the diameter of the planet. How do you know where she's coming from? Moreover, the speed is frantic and a limited maneuver is used (bypasses the US and NATO air defense sites). I'm talking about this - the Patriot was outdated 20 years ago. The world needs a strategic balance for peace, and the US is lagging behind. This is not good.

[@Anderson_Hwang]

@@alexandrnoskov5437 Sarmat can only travel in a straight line. Its a ballistic missile. It will only come from ahead. I guess you never learned physics at school

[@alexandrnoskov5437]

@@Anderson_Hwang I think you didn't study physics. Ballistic missiles fly along a ballistic trajectory in only one direction - to save fuel. This requirement does not apply to Sarmat, he may not save fuel, the reserves are enough for a simple change of trajectory. Official representatives of Roskosmos wrote about this.

[@calmterror]

@@alexandrnoskov5437 Um if russia used that ICBM with MIRV Nukes it just means US fires their Nukes and everyone dies. And the US has had a weird Anti-Air doctrine of using Fighters to intercept enemy Planes. and of course using NATO european countries as a buffer. The US in total has only made like 5 or 6 SAM systems. and most were naval.

[@kenhelmers2603]

Luv these, thanks!

[@virginccyy7645]

In the real world S400 isn't shooting any supersonic missiles, while the Patriot might shoot.

[@jascrandom9855]

Idea: Can the Patriot, NASAM, Gepard, S-300 and S-400 defend against a WW2 Bombing Air Raid?

[@hinkleync]

Wonder what will happened when PAC-GEN3 or THAAD get added. Should be interesting to whatch.

[@grimreapers]

Yes that should be a major change.

[@yairisraeli8686]

I wish they will add to dcs the Israeli many layers of air defense as iron Dome and arrow and even the new laser which was presented to the president .. maybe you would say if it's better than the s 400?

[@trilingual6616]

I vote we put RC in an SR-71 to keep up honestly

[@MikooBo.]

i get the weird loading in super dark as well./.. never figured out what it was just reload the mission until its bright

[@xxdaggerxx5]

the real test is can you stop HIMARS?

[@grimreapers]

will do

[@ThroneOfBhaal]

10:28 But hey, the S400 is no S400 as it turns out. ;)

[@rgloria40]

I hear the US AIr Force have tested the Hypersonic Missile. Therefore, I remember how Willie Coyote strap a rocket to his back. What is the maximum theoretical speed of the F14 air frame. Its maximum speed is 2.34 according to Google. Strap some boosters on the Frame of F14. I think a Japanese Anime, Robotech, had a jet that can strap booster to it for space flight.

[@Oscar-qh5jn]

13:04 the only reason you and RC got hit is because you didn't pop the canopy quick enough, rookie mistake

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@Jeffrey1978]

It’s too bad you can’t place an Aegis ashore platform in the back area of your scenario’s city.

[@grimreapers]

We can and have somewhere, AEGIS/SM can and does kill these missiles in game.

[@justagermanpassingby.5077]

It think NASAM coudln´t fire because the radar doesn´t look up at the missile Maybe the desent angle of the attackers was to high.

[@grimreapers]

Possibly.

[@Craeshen]

Try linking the nasams to the patriot radar. In an iads might give the nasams time to fire.

[@Pimps-R-us]

Just like EVERYONE else, RC's spirit was crushed about America by Ole' Joe Biden !

[@grimreapers]

:(

[@TheR4360]

You need to try iron dome

[@grimreapers]

agree

[@IRONIC1688]

Thanks for the wonderful entertainment! Love you guys, be well. This is how this kind of war looked from my balcony a couple years ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/g5OahKtnfcZgoMk

[@grimreapers]

thx

[@castlekingside76]

They probably need to rethink how Russian systems in the game are presented. I can't see anyone wanting the S400. HIMARS destroyed an air base in Kherson protracted by S400. Other Russian systems have failed as well.

[@alf3071]

are the himars missiles stealth? or do they maneuver to evade air defense?

[@pilotmanpaul]

@@alf3071 No. Right after the HIMARS attacks, it completely stopped for days on end yet each launcher should be capable of firing ALOT of shots with a Replishment FMTV with it. My guess is that Ukraine just kept firing the smart rockets till all of Russia's S-400 launchers ran out of tubes and the last ones got through.

[@jeebuzcrust]

Don't even play DCS, but the modeling of most of the systems is abysmal.

[@mrlodwick]

I got beer, I got Capt, I got mega death star cheese burger, I got win even though my Wife's new hat cost me £250 quid ffs! 🤪

[@grimreapers]

250 quid on hat???? JESUS CHROIST!

[@anthonymoe5280]

do they have thaad in game?

[@grimreapers]

no

[@override367]

the wildest part of this conflict is how ineffective Russia's SAMs are, they dont appear to have software to easily distinguish GRAD from HIMARS rockets

[@marvinranaldson3457]

What about THAAD?

[@rotoface5469]

Could s400 defend against hypersonic missiles

[@bruhmomento4590]

It wasn’t designed for hypersonics, but it can shoot down ballistic missiles

[@grimreapers]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/epvGgqGoq7J7mKM kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZ_Vh6ungZqkb9k

[@DetroitMicroSound]

Backfire is the Joker.

[@YenrocOz]

Ukraine Pilots are going to be sent to USA to learn F15 and F16. How does these planes stack up to Russian planes. Could Ukraine gain air dominance with these plane?

[@cz1589]

No, both sides have enough air-denial systems. SAMS for High-altitude and manpads for low altitude. Thats why its mostly an artillery war now, putting serious limitations on using jets or helicopters.

[@Anderson_Hwang]

@@cz1589 Its because the Russian air force has run out of standoff missiles, and cannot afford the risk to droo dumb bombs

[@cz1589]

@@Anderson_Hwang absolutely a factor, yes. Helicopters flying very low, firing missiles in a ballistic arch, less accurate but more safe, avoiding being shot down. Few people expected a war with air forces just playing a secondary role. Russians use their planes as launch platforms for cruise missiles. But both air forces have limited operation near the front line, trying to stay as short as possibile within range of anti-air systems. But coming back to the first note: air dominance isnt possible, neither very relevant for Ukrain. I dont see them training hundreds of pilots, and the idea of getting dozens of western fighters to make a difference is also not realistic. They dont need them for own terrain, and on the offensive the numbers will remain way too small. So its a surprize to most people, having a modern war with artillery as primary weapon, with the airforce in a supportive and decent role. Check Perun channel when you want an extensive explanation of this development. "Outgunned" is the video to watch.

[@TedFanat]

Next video request - can NASAMS intercept russian s-300 missile strike. Yes, there is strong evidence that russians use s-300 to strike ground targets(at least in Kherson-Mykolaiv region)

[@grimreapers]

wow, this is amazing news.

[@MH-je3ht]

fake

[@alihammid2578]

Wars launched by the U.S and NATO: Guatamala, Cuba, Vietnam, The Congo, Nicaragua, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and the list goes on! Shouldn't countries that claim to oppose war avoid starting wars in the first place? Shouldn't countries who claim to advocate peace refrain from undermining peace?

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Libya was a UN resolution and intervention was asked by the Arab League. NATO only enforced the no fly zone, and nothing else.

[@michaelhband]

👍👍👍❤❤❤

[@creightonfreeman8059]

Hypersonic missiles can only fly hypersonic above the atmosphere so their potential is nullified at close range where they don't have time to get high. Perhaps they are still supersonic in thicker atmosphere though; not sure about that.

[@MrDJAK777]

That's just not true most new designs are based on ramjet/scramjet engine tech which are air breathing jet engine designs they quite literally can't operate above the atmosphere. Even for the hypersonic missiles in use for years now that use solid rocket propellent and do not require air to run( the s3/400 launchers for example can fire the 48n6e2/3 missile which is hypersonic at *mach 5.9* but has a max altitude of only 30 km still well within the atmosphere and it's got a minimum altitude of 5km so it clearly works inside just fine) our control surfaces would do nothing as there's no air to react against meaning they wouldn't be able to manuver at all without thrust vectoring channels for the exhaust and then some way to get thrusters up by the nose for control/stability. The only thing I can think of that you might be thinking of is ICBMs and their rentry vehicles as being ballistic missiles they work by being lobbed into low earth orbit where it coasts along a ballistic trajectory determined by launch/boost phase parameters and requires no maunevering to get on target afterwards as the rentry vehicles simply separates when at a set point of the trajectory and then continues to fall back to earth reaching high hypersonic speeds. But those are a completely different animal and truly massive (even sub launched ballistic missiles are huge) there's a reason so many space programs have been started by countries buying old ICBM rockets adding a third stage and replacing the warhead with a probe/satellite/telescope/etc.

[@Idontwantahandle6669]

Hypersonic missiles are different than ICBM’s and function in a completely different manner. They travel at hyper sonic speeds, through the atmosphere, in order to remain below the radar for as long as possible, to make them more difficult to detect. These are modern weapons, and the technology being used to develop them is leaps and bounds better than the Cold War era weapons that we’re all familiar with.

[@samblackstone3400]

A hypersonic cruise missile has to operate in the atmosphere. If it’s using a SCRAMjet then by definition it must be going above Mach 5 at all altitudes to stay powered. How is this done? Very very high tech ceramics.

[@Plastikdoom]

As long as they had reloads, yes, to an extent they would, depends on the volume of missiles coming in and aircraft. And they can easily tag supersonic, and hyper sonic warheads. That’s what we’ve built them for and upgraded them to do at close range, for missiles. They are the short range missile defense…and no THAADS? Lol, why, cause they’ll win? Along with SM-3’s. The newest patriots as of a couple years ago, are insane in range and accuracy. For a close range system. And THAADS, even more so.

[@markbowley5780]

The S400 and panzir were ineffective in Syria and are in Ukraine. They are said to be able to intercept Himars too and unable to do that. On game and in real world their effectiveness seems to have been played up. Russia playing a bluff or the manufacturer overplaying it's capabilities ???

[@cz1589]

It seems an software issue. They need to patch their radar systems to track and intercept Himars. Might take 6 months, according to a programmer.

[@92HazelMocha]

@@cz1589 Makes sense. It's not fully matured as a system, most modern air defense have similar problems when they're introduced.

[@MrDJAK777]

Export models are heavily gimped. In several known/openly stated ways (100 target max) but it's not like they have to tell anyone all the ways they were. they only really reach the high levels of capabilities when they are in large complexes with several different types of launchers/scanners with different missiles for different tasks but it's ridiculously expensive to have one s-3/400 site fully decked out with all accompanying systems the way the Russians suggest. Also while heavily computerized you still need people capable of making the most out of the system and still needs to be maintained. They are part mobile too and not always scanning and even if they are no guarantee it's looking at the right time/place. Plus they've been hacked and made to give a false return of an empty sky by Israel years ago. nowadays F35s using their barracuda EW system should be able to take over s300-s400 sites in a similar way but from the air instead of through massad while also hitting them with half a dozen jamming techniques from the same piece of equipment. And even in situations the f35 couldn't pull off a full injection/spoofing the jamming at minimum would further reduce the range they could get a lock on something with the F35s tiny RCS allowing them to easily get in range to hit the Sam site with long range A2G/anti radiation missiles before they were ever at risk of being in range they could get locked onto at.

[@lexzie9568]

I'd have preferred pac3 mse and cri variant