Is Unreal Engine 5 Ruining Games?

[@Clydiie]

I'm not a journalist-Threepeat does a better job researching these things-but essentially, November Hotel made it seem like the gender inclusiveness requirements were directed at game developers, which isn’t true at all. It also makes sense now why he didn’t link the post. The requirements are actually for C++ coding standards, specifically for those writing code and plugins. Thanks to @threepeatgames for finding the doc - dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/epic-cplusplus-coding-standard-for-unreal-engine?application_version=5.0#racial,ethnic,andreligiousinclusiveness

[@natecoet3291]

They still remain stupid rules that in code you would have inclusiveness...

[@AlenDelon-x6i]

So in other words, they are censoring developers at worst, and at best, they are treating them like infants born yesterday. Ridiculous.

[@jcdentonunatco]

Blame devs, not the engine. All the engine devs do is create tools to build games, the engine is a blank slate (and it’s open source). It’s up to devs to make cool stuff with it and implement smart design

[@m96k3y7]

facts. this. dont even need to make a comment, you already did. 😎

[@reginaldarmah2381]

This is the point youtubers fail to comprehend

[@spf50sunscreen80]

Fine... "Using Unreal engine 5 is using games." Geez. It doesn't make any difference in the outcome.

[@LegoFRLife]

Honestly, i think even though though its making aaa devs lazy, its opened up so much for people like me who just want a new hobbies, and now its my favorite thing ever

[@Clydiie]

@LegoFRLife same making games used to be something that was unachievable for me just a few years ago and if it wasn't for ue5 I doubt I would be trying to make games

[@MegaBizMan]

In reference to the point you make at 1:55 Someone replied to one of my comments on that video: "This is only when you work on the engine code for Epic, you can use whatever gender you want in your personal code. He misrepresented it due to bad research or to harm the engine on purpose, as always these days" I actually watched that video today. Your content is amazing btw. I am a fan!

[@-Owlu]

Yep! That's true, the standards are just that, standards that you can uphold in your codebase, and you do not to apply these either.

[@Clydiie]

oh wow thank you for letting me know! I wish I had caught that in the video! Why do that hating on unreal for no reason.

[@lunaquick]

@@Clydiie I think the reason why some people are upset is because the terms being replaced but not with a new standard name. If you go to the doc it gives 7 different names for a whitelist, and 7 different names for a blacklist. It kinda defeats the point of even having these standard names.

[@bam_bino__]

@@lunaquick no it's a controversy perpetuated by Anti-Woke grifters, who have never touched a game engine, Devs largely do not care.

[@adamsvolkinas3959]

I’ve been using UE for about 2 years aswell and you made me chuckle with the make noise thing. 100% all the problems are dev issues

[@Clydiie]

I tired to not laugh but couldnt help myself it was silly lol

[@thana3270]

unreal isnt necessarily ruining games. its just that they made it so easy to get started and created so many tools to assist development that there is a larger density of lazily and poorly made games from less talented or greedy devs

[@Clydiie]

@thana3270 I can agree with that for sure, but it seems that indie games are becoming better and more popular than AAA games so having an engine that is easier to use and get started isn't necessary a bad thing the problem is the major studios, the direction they are taking games, and as you said greedy by taking short cuts, and trying to make investors happy instead of the customer.

[@belonaloja]

I'm Brazilian and this discussion is happening here too, luckily in the BR community there is a very good solodev (Alyrio Neto) and he made a video breaking down several arguments about "unreal is broken" but the video is in Portuguese. unfortunately speaking badly about this engine generates engagement.

[@Clydiie]

yeah it sucks but i love hearing others fighting back

[@threepeatgames]

Awesome video… you always add significant value to the topics you cover! If you go deeper into the issues game studios are causing/facing, I’m here for it!

[@Clydiie]

I fully want too I think its a important topic to discuss right now

[@DevGods]

The spread of misinformation is crazy. The censorship is for when you are making PRs to the source code, or an unreal employee working on the engine directly. They are not censoring games you fools.

[@Clydiie]

@DevGods it's in the description no need for calling people fools and as I said in the video he didn't leave a link so it was all assumptions. With all the dei stuff going around it's easy to believe I also mention in the description he made it seem like that was the case. I agree the misinformation is horrible. I've also pinned the description comment too since people don't read the description.

[@DevGods]

@ yeah that’s just how I talk. It is foolish to think a company such as epic would censor games lol. It’s crazy how narratives get ran with on the internet.

[@Clydiie]

@@DevGods fully appreciate that and couldnt agree with you more and I defo need to do way more research too before sharing info - btw really did like ur basketball game I hope u are continuing to develop that ill keep an eye out (soon after I posted the vid threepeat sent me the doc and I was slapping myself wish I had mentioned the miss info cause I would have called hotel out on that)

[@DevGods]

@@Clydiie No shame on you, your video was just a response to that other vid. He has a huge audience and he's spreading misinformation. People already hate unreal enough. I've been seeing videos like that on my feed. I was laughing as hard as you watching how easy it actually is to add noise response to AI.

[@Clydiie]

@DevGods bro, same. I see them too, and its frustrating. His not a dev, so I don't blame him for not knowing, but it's just ludicrous to think unreal (the engine all these studios are switching too) can't handle any of the features he mentioned in the video lol if devs don't add a feature its cause just didn't want it or didn't think of it, simple. I'm happy we could have this discussion, dude. I think ur an awesome dev and youtuber.

[@stannisthemannis8694]

The censorship stuff for unreal is only for the engine devs not game makers so you can make some what ever game you want (for now they'll definitely try to push this further)

[@xXxShankersxXx]

Sadly Optimization is an ENGINE issue , unreal has removed a ton of optimization options from 4 to 5 , and 5.5 is bringing back features from 3 that got removed in 4 , they have also skewed the data about nanite and lumen with both those features not being as optimized as they say (yes part of the nanite issue is due to the assets artists) , i just hope they can stop removing features people used on the reg and instead focus on adding things to smooth indie and solo development since that's their next spearhead

[@Clydiie]

@xXxShankersxXx Interesting, I'm guessing I'm a bit out of touch and need to learn more about optimization. Appreciate this comment. it helps me a lot.

[@nobrainerrgames]

could you tell me if UE4 mobile projects were better optimised tho? genuine question as even pretty much blank project packed and run on new android mobile works like dog💩 really👀 if they'd only work on mobile optimasation to compete on this ground with the rest... dreams...🤣

[@phantomabid]

It is NOT the Engine BUT the Developer! I hate every time I see a video titled Unreal Engine is killing/ruining this and that. I don't understand why people blame the Engine when it's the Developer's responsibility to optimize their game. The Engine has provided you powerful tools and engine source codes and every version of the Engine. It's up to the Developers to PROPERLY utilize them for their needs, for their specific project; not go crazy with them. . People who have made Game Engines have made game creation and development a lot easier and time-saving. You should be thankful to them for their invaluable efforts and time as a Dev for creating and as a gamer for playing, awesome games which would've taken years of time and knowledge. It is not their responsibility to fix the FPS of your game. You use Photoshop, right? Do you use all of it's features on the same picture/project? NO! If yes, then the result might look ugly. Same goes for Game Engines. It is YOUR responsibility to use ONLY the specific tools needed for your specific project.

[@TechGladiator]

Great video, excellent points! I’m an indie dev making a game in Unreal Engine, and the only limits I have found are my own capabilities and imagination. You earned a new subscriber!

[@Clydiie]

@@TechGladiator that's awesome! Just checked out ur trailer game is looking great!

[@ralkey]

I think UE is ruining games since it makes so many things that devs used to customize, into boilerplate and standard settings. Specifically the graphics. I can identify every single UE game when I play it because the graphics always look the same. And I cannot even say that it looks good, because the graphics are so simple and generic, it lacks personality I get from other games. Take for example Space Engineers or L4D2. The graphics are not high quality, or detailed, or top of the line. But they continue to outshine UE games due to the personality put into the graphics, personality that you cannot find in UE games. With SOT being the only exception that I know of.

[@Clydiie]

Although I don't agree with everything you said I do appreciate you sharing and wanting to have a discussion - I find games like DBZ shinning / tekken 8 (and maybe people agree or disagree wukong) look and feel great and if no one told me it was made in ue5 I wouldnt have guessed but for sure there are defo games that you can tell straight away and most of the time those games aren't very game

[@TakiGamesOfficial]

To be fair, UE5 is very poorly optimized. I had no performance issues when developing in 4.27 but UE5 makes my PC turn into a jet engine. AAA games are focusing too much on graphics and star power and neglecting gameplay. UE5’s unnecessary amount of graphics tools enables that. More importantly like you said politics is ruining AAA games. I don’t care for pronouns, uglification of females, and spreading political messages. Leave that bs out of my entertainment. I’d rather spend $60 on a sexy outfit for some gacha game than buy a full AAA game these days, that is how terrible they are. Also AAA games are playing it safe and just copying eachother. The amount of soulslike clones is insane and it’s destroying and overshadowing the action hack and slash genre. Open world games are stupid because it’s just a lot of empty space, bugs, and dumb chores. But these are the safe and trendy things to do. This is where indies, small companies, and especially gacha games end up shining their brightest. Nobody knows ShiftUp and Game Science and they blew up because they didn’t follow the mold of all the other AAA companies. And as indies, we have limited resources we can focus more on the GAME and not all the other unnecessary crap. There were a handful of indie games that blew up like PalWorld not because of graphics but because of how it played.

[@lowfreqq]

duh cause ue5 is different…literally has many different features and types of things they’ll make your pc take off that’s the point

[@TakiGamesOfficial]

@ Unnecessary features imo. UE5 is a glorified tech demo. All you’re doing is flexing graphics and visuals and sacrificing performance to push the limit just a tiny bit. There was a video somewhere talking about this and I fully agree with it, graphics is not the end all be all of a videogame. There was a controversial game called Rise of the Ronin and people made fun of it calling it PS3 graphics. But the combat and the performance was better than the majority of the ultra mega AAAAA graphics games these days. Look at HellBlade 2. Game looks gorgeous but it is hot trash. Sometimes if you take a step back and focus on the game aspects you could make a better and smoother game. But everyone is so obsessed with graphics and all the different tools to work with graphics and visuals and they forget about the actual essence of the game. We are living in a time where the evolution of graphics is so minimal it’s not worth the performance hit.

[@Clydiie]

@TakiGamesOfficial I agree graphics isn't important I'm playing vampire survivors and think its amazing, hellblade 2 should have been great and honestly thought they did a great job with combat the problem for me was the game being too slow, too short and not enough combat it's pretty unfortunate the game really could have been great I didn't have any issues with the games performance

[@lowfreqq]

@@TakiGamesOfficial most don’t care about graphics and in their showcases yes they advertise it with a lot of other things but on their channel they show many different things and ways they utilized it for games that don’t have all of the realism in it, point is the solo developers don’t focus on realism half of the time and the ones who do only make smell demos for test and feedback ue5 introduces features that had to be made by hand from other creators

[@Grad-e5l]

Well it's a next generation engine for next gen hardware, epic have made that clear. You will need a good pc. UE4 is still there if you want to use it. UE5 has tons of features to help devs to make games, including both for gameplay and graphics functionality. They're enabling them to make games, that's it. New next gen graphics capabilities are there if a dev wants to use them, if not they don't have to, It's completely up to the dev and they are not forced in any way to do so. You could make a game with ps2 level of graphics capability if you wanted to. So you're just wrong, It's completely the developers fault if they sacrifice gameplay for graphics not the engines at all whatsoever. Also just because you don't care about graphics does not mean nobody else does.

[@murk-eyegaming1805]

nice job with this video, too often ill see people saying unreal is the one stop solution for all problems in gaming, which it isnt. And i thankyou for actually being honest about what unreal is and that its down to the developers not the engine. Sadly i think a lot of people just see unreal as a drag and drop solution where its all set up already and all they need to do is half create it and the engine does the rest when in reality a lot about the settings and rendering need to be changed for the best results specifically in regards to performance. I dont know if you wouldve heard of him but you may find the videos made by ThreatInteractive quite interesting regarding this subject as he does a good job of pointing out why certain unreal engine games are unoptimized and have performance issues.

[@Clydiie]

@murk-eyegaming1805 Yeah, I need to get a bit more educated with optimization. Thank you for the recommendation, and thank you for the comment. I also see way too many videos saying the same thing about Unreal, and tbh I just needed to get a bit of it off my chest. Unreal can be used in a terrible way as we seen with games like The Day Before, but it's also made Wukong. I just don't understand where this hate for unreal comes from.

[@murk-eyegaming1805]

@@Clydiie i think a lot of it stems from it being overly praised especially by people who dont really know what they are doing. Gamers will see Jedi fallen order or wukong and say oh unreal is the best thing ever because my favorite games were made with it. And then a lot of people will kind of want to be antagonistic and will go to far in the opposite direction blaming the engine for everything else thats been made with it. Now i personally think unreal still has some blame in certain things such as not making more strides to educate its users on optimization, but of course like weve both agreed it falls to the developer to make sure they make a good product.

[@Reaper_killer4x]

Honestly I love Ur teaching

[@raulizquierdo7395]

I came to say what you already did about not being about the games but about the code, I mean, it’s their platform, their rules and at least they are not enforcing them into our games

[@Clydiie]

@raulizquierdo7395 yeah I agree in his video he makes it sound like it's rules for game devs which is 100% incorrect

[@soixantelly]

Honestly i think UE5 rendering problems can be fixed if Game Devs insisted on epic about it, because they are their customers Unreal Engine 5 Lumen & Nanite have a huge performance cost and are inefficient, this 2 things if fixed will make Unreal the defacto engine

[@badipaddress]

Yes please a video about the causes of the issues the game studios are facing would be very interesting.

[@Clydiie]

on the todo list

[@PixelQuest-Horizon]

I was really gonna believe him,Iam an unity user by the way and was thinking of switching engine.We need more videos like this to get the actual picture of the scenario.

[@Clydiie]

bro he fooled me too if it wasn't for threepeat I wouldn't have known it was bs but yeah thank you man - if you haven't tried unreal yet defo give a go this is just my xp but I tired unity first and played around for a few months and I liked it for sure it was great but the moment I tried unreal 5 it was such a no brainer I knew this was the engine for me

[@AverusMuto]

Dam. I'm a new dev but a long time programmer. I wanna make some games experimenting for 6 months and see what actual works 😊

[@Clydiie]

@@AverusMuto go for it!

[@AverusMuto]

@Clydiie I am, I'm taking one week to do research and learning how to develop a game.

[@Clydiie]

@@AverusMuto if you want and feel comfortable and ready show off ur work in my discord the link is on my page

[@AverusMuto]

@@Clydiie I'll join your discord and show off the progress i make

[@m96k3y7]

Those guidelines and rules are for engine developers not game developers

[@Clydiie]

@@m96k3y7 it's in the description

[@Crossfar]

Instead of people who say "hey guys" one should say "hello mudafakas" :)))

[@Clydiie]

@Crossfar lool that's one way for sure

[@Exponerad]

The so called "censorship"t isn't at all what he said. It's under the section "Coding Standards" where they recommend how to write proffessional C++ code. So It's basically a tip to not throw yourself under the bus seeing as the world now a days take offence to anything. In my opinion his video is made to gain views from clout and reactions more than it's an informative video.

[@Clydiie]

yeah he fooled me I did say Im just gonna assume but I should have done more research thanks to threepeat games he sent me to doc and I left a pinned comment explaining he made it seem like it was directed to devs it just pisses me off theres way too many videos like his

[@Exponerad]

@@Clydiie I agree. But this is the world today unfortunately. No one takes the time to check if anything is real. But all of us that have been spending time in the Engine knows that it's not the engine. It's the devs.

[@Iamgoldman]

Listen...AAA studios are switching to Unreal Engine because their worthless DEI hires have NO ability to use the proprietary engines built by the original in house developers that worked there for years.

[@Actimel_Addict74]

Im torn on using unreal and unity at this point

[@Clydiie]

dont be bro both engines are amazing

[@dauntless_games]

That make noise system must have taken you weeks to complete 😂

[@Clydiie]

@dauntless_games actually it took years lmao

[@hirojiokada3899]

idk why they start blames engine but Unreal engines can let people can do so many New Creativity! ?

[@natecoet3291]

Like I commented on thzt video saying every gale would look the same. If it wasn't for Unreal we would not have gotten Stellar Blade, Black Myth Wukong due to how it's expensige to maintain and have a proprietary engine. CD Projekt moged away from Red engine because it was becoming difficult to maintain. It was old and a pain to work with it also did not hanle very well certain things reason why CD projekt dtruggled making cyberpunk so much. Now to add to this video, Unreal 5 is jus an uodate if Unreal 4 the two engines are exteem identical and for thzt reason an easy transition. Unlike Unreal 3 was to unreal 4. So in this scope of games made usikg that engine we do have lots of diff games: Shin megami tensei 5, Tales of Arise, The first descendant, Lies of P, Remnant 2 all look different all our build using unreal 4/5. About ubreal's issue yes rhe engine does have a problem with jitterness at run time, it is a common problem but itls not a deal breaker. The only issue with Ubreal at this stage is monopole. But maybe it forceds companies to make better ooen source engines, like cry engine was a pain to work with. Overall an engine is just a tool you do what you want with it. No engike is perfect and big companies will always have their engines, Capcom, from software, dice, massive entertainment and so on....

[@SOURCE_x2]

There are no bad engines, there are bad developers😅

[@F-aber]

I mean of course there are bad engines, but good developers can make good games with bad engines

[@Clydiie]

@@F-aber its not the machine right its the person using it

[@rikkasummer2784]

yeah blame the devs, not the engine, nowadays devs are just lazy and depends too much on technology...

[@xSup3rGtIVx]

Traversal stuttering yes

[@jcdentonunatco]

Not a major issue if you correctly asynchronously load your assets

[@R_E_Sofficial]

After searching for years and years, I finally found a tutorial for adding noise to unreal, now my enemy can hear me reloading, Damn (Unamed AAA Company) I am better than you

[@Clydiie]

LOL

[@AP05_]

Based

[@ritpop]

The ad I got was a fortine one lol. No, ue5 isn't ruining games lazy devs are

[@Clydiie]

@ritpop 😂😂 youtube knows and yeah fully agree

[@Jotinhadameyota]

Hello man 🤘

[@matjakobs8612]

100% yes

[@Alex-Chupa12]

Thanks!!!!

[@jakedizzle]

UE5 is crap.