Is Upgrading to a 240Hz Monitor Worth It?

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[@theendurance]

of course its worth it....people just cant afford it so they rationalize it with "oh you cant even see the difference". 240hz is a big step up from even 144hz

[@superior96]

240hz is cheap nowadays though. I bought a 280hz 1080p IPS screen for 150€ this summer. Replaced it after a couple months with a 360hz OLED I got for 400 tho. Ez.

[@avefrezz]

I just upgraded from 165hz to 240hz and honestly there is basically no difference in smoothness. And yes, I've got more than 240fps so that's not the Problem. Idk if I'm just not able to tell the difference or if a lot of people just WANT to see the difference so they feel like it was worth it

[@superior96]

@@avefrezz There is 100% a substantial difference, maybe you got a 240hz screen with a super slow response time or whatever that ruins it, or the games you're playing don't have a lot of motion (though you can tell even on the desktop just moving the cursor around). I've done blind tests since years ago when opening CSGO sometimes it would randomly change your screen Hz from 240 to 144, without any notice. I noticed every single time on the warmup, before the actual game even started.

[@avefrezz]

@@superior96 it's a 240hz qd oled so response time definitely isn't a problem and I'm playing a lot of fps games rn so there is a lot of motion. It doesn't feel smoother at all. Main difference is the OLED panel itself but that just enhances the picture quality

[@puffyips]

@@avefrezz200+fps 1%low’s on a 240hz oled definitely feels better than even 180hz due to 1%lows only being able to go up to the 170s but many say 144hz is enough without thinking about 1%lows

[@vikb13]

Got an MSI QD OLED 240hz, coming from a 144hz IPS..It feels/looks night and day better. It is priced super high, but man...its incredible, if you can manage to grab one, you will not regret it.

[@budthecyborg4575]

Back in 1998 those fancy 19" CRTs ran 800x600 at 100hz, it was glorious. Getting my first 120hz LCD in 2011 was only bringing videogames back to the old standard.

[@veilmontTV]

lol thats fucking cute. that crt was better than those 120hz lcds. the motion performance on crts is absolutely wild. i can't believe our dumbasses switched to flat panels.

[@SyncETod]

g2g time for crt is also very low so gives smoother motion clarity. switching to lcd monitor was jarring initially

[@irun2sanaxox]

they also keep clarity no mater the refresh rate

[@irun2sanaxox]

@@SyncETodme & my brother used to play guitar hero & it was crazy trying an lcd for the first time 😭

[@delatroy]

I had a Sony 800x600 CRT that did 160hz. Only now we're getting back to speed..

[@pirx9798]

Meanwhile I upgraded to 480 hz and it's great

[@changeagent228]

Holding out for 4K 480hz

[@orion9k]

@@changeagent228 Ya gonna wait a long time for that

[@changeagent228]

@@orion9k Lol only a couple of years I bet but I'm kidding anyway I will likely get a glossy 4K 240hz with 400nits at 100% window QD-OLED in mid to late 2025.

[@budthecyborg4575]

1:42 You need to make a graph of frame time vs. total system latency. Running 30fps doesn't just mean you have 33ms input lag, your total end to end latency skyrockets. DOOM Eternal on the Steamdeck OLED at 30fps has 101ms end to end latency, but jumping to 60fps drops total latency by 33% down to 68ms. 90fps cuts input lag down to 51ms. Just going from 60fps to 90fps cuts 17ms off your total system latency even though the frame time at 90fps is only 5.5ms shorter than 60fps. The benefit to total system input lag is triple that of just the measured frame time.

[@Eli-zb2yj]

Next video: is upgrading to 480hz worth it ? Now that's going to Hertz me

[@distraction2803]

Basically the previous video

[@buttergolem8584]

I have no problem switching between my 2 monitors 144Hz to 240Hz and back. At this point it just feels a bit smoother but the difference is pretty small.

[@q3aki]

the 240 is my sweet spot for a refreshrate, because I can easily hit those fps numbers, 360-480 would be nice, but unfortunatelly not for my PC at the moment.

[@Raivo_K]

Going up in refreshrate is much less noticeable than going down. Use 240Hz for a week and then go back to 144Hz or what ever you had before and you will notice a much bigger difference compared to moving to 240Hz. About five years ago one of my friends said he does not notice SSD being faster than HDD. I made a deal with him - i will clone his OS to SSD, let him use it for a week and then clone it back to HDD. Needless to say he noticed massive slowdown as soon as he went back to HDD. It's the same with higher refreshrates.

[@LucidStrike]

So the lifehack here is NOT to go up because you'll get stuck playing a premium for refresh rates you wouldn't need if you didn't taste the Forbidden Fruit 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@EspHack]

i just like 120 for consistency, all my devices do 120 and 120 evenly divides into all important video formats, from here its going to take 1khz for me to bother upgrading, anything below would be ok if it just happens to come with whatever else makes me upgrade

[@adhizzle9985]

i went from overclocked 165hz 4k LG IPS to 240hz/480z dual LG OLED monitor. my IPS is low response but the OLED is crazy fast, 4k is very clear & 1080p 480hz is cool but blurry af. i noticed in 480hz 1080p mode i would experience a weird flicker on rocket league. have not tried other games yet. 240hz isn't as noticeable. it's only worth it if your pc can support the high frames, i think 4k 240hz is enough for me but you can only run so many games at 4k. definitely 2.5k @ 480hz OLED with burn in and no flickering would be perfect. maybe in few years

[@superior96]

The flicker might be VRR flicker? It's really noticeable in my 360hz QD-OLED in a few games. The solution I've found is to enable AMD Fluid motion frames 2. You go from 200 something FPS with dips to +360 at pretty much all times, so the panel doesn't flicker since VRR doesn't even have to kick in. If you have an AMD card I would try it. And if not maybe try Lossless scaling app frame generation. (I'm assuming rocket league doesn't support DLSS 3 FG).

[@Black-nf3tx]

I was using a 1080p 144hz LCD for multiple years with no issues but after upgrading my PC to a 7900xtx and 7800x3d I caved in and got a 4k 240hz OLED (MSI MAG 321UPX) from IBuyPower for $700 (its $840 on there normally) pre shipping and tax due to a promotion for 2x points. Its incredible looking comparatively. Started playing Remnant 2 right before it arrived and the difference is massive for that game. I don't get to use the full 240hz for it but I still get 130-140fps which is still great for multiplayer and most settings except shadows maxxed. For more competitive games like LoL, it feels great once I got used to it, though a bit less of a difference other than a bit better motion clarity. It felt a little strange switching from a 27" to a 32" for a day or 2. Can't wait for my roommate to get Space Marine 2 so I can finally try that game on this monitor since I got it for free for buying an AMD product (I'm not a big enough fan to play that game solo, though it looks fun)

[@Coffeeandacigarette]

It was worth it for me. I went from 120hz 10 bit ips @ 1440p to 240 hz 10 bit qd-oled @ 4k. It's much smoother and clearer. Ips had smeared black trails that blur. OLED pixels instantaneously change.

[@onihonker2653]

Thank you for showing the chart. Helped me understand the numbers.

[@bunghuls]

I had a 1440p 240hz IPS and it was a huge upgrade over my TN 1080p 240hz….. but then I had to play on a 165hz 1440p IPS for a while and it was ROUGH. I felt like I was missing so much. I’m now back on a 1440p 240hz OLED and everything is right in the world. It makes a massive difference if you play a fast paced competitive shooter game 💯

[@orion9k]

I remember buying the LG Flatron 900P 19 inch 100 hz CRT monitor for ultra Counter-Strike gaming, we were doing bootcamps every weekend back in 2004 and travelling to CS lan tournaments, best time of my life !

[@WilliamScott-ge4oh]

was debating between a 240hz OLED or a 360hz version of the same model for 100$ more. I've never experienced anything faster than my 144hz monitor, but from what I've heard, the difference between 240 and 360 is quite small and probably not worth the extra money.

[@thecarsonigen]

I feel like 240hz possibly the max I’d ever go for. Anything above that is a waste, especially as a gamer. If You’re trying to max out your settings even 240hz is hard to reach. Most gamers are between 120 fps and 200 even sacrificing some graphics fidelity just for the sake of performance. An Rtx 4090 can barely get above 60 fps on Silent Hill 2 remake with max settings.

[@PahEz]

What speed was that measured on at 1:15? That just doesn't seem right, 480hz looks slightly " better " there than what it is in reality. Were they all measured using the exact same speeds? If not, then the whole test is irrelevant. It feels like you measured the 480hz oled at below 960 Pixels per second while the rest were measured on like 1440 pixels per second. Those should be all done on the same speeds, normally either 960 pps or 1440 pps. Please let me know, thanks.

[@pitch123pitch]

None of these videos tell you whether your pc can drive 240Hz. What's the point if your hardware is not powerful enough...I have a 3060ti with a 12600k I'm getting 144fps in most games but where would I stand for achieving 240fps in some modern games like Cyberpunk? I don't play any online fps games like fortnite almost exclusively open world so I'm not sure 240Hz is worth it?

[@_Gray_Fox]

Remember when the "silver foil hats" told us that the human eye couldn't see more than 60FPS

[@fallenlegion1828]

Every console player cites this and I honestly just feel bad for them 😂

[@dIggl3r]

I actually switched from 165hz ultrawide 1440p qd-oled to 240hz ultrawide 1440p qd-oled and I can concur, the difference is noticeable. (and yes I sold the Alienware monitor before buying the new MSi hehehe)

[@orion9k]

that MSI swallows ALOT of watts tho. I might go for the Asus WOLED glossy 1440p 27" 240hz, just ashame it's not 360hz.

[@dIggl3r]

@@orion9k You could try the "new" AOC Q27G3XMN, its MINI LED, HDR and 180hz (though), still better than WOLED imo. (or am I super wrong hehehe)

[@TheSpiritof76]

Can you make a video about 4k vs 1440p? (if you haven't already made one)

[@thescouselander5531]

TBH I'd rather panel manufacturers focussed on improving black levels and picture uniformity rather than pushing refresh rates even higher. Can't see much point in upgrading my 165 hz monitor at the moment.

[@autistukral]

Well from my 75Hz 1080p TN panel it sure would be an Upgrade, but I don't want to just buy some random ass cheap monitor just because it is 144Hz or 240. But then you know, It do be kinda expensive.

[@gordonfreimann]

I got used to my 360hz QD OLED paired with my rtx 4090. I used to play on 144hz now it looks laggy to my eyes unfortunately. But I only play FPS games. Maybe other types of games, it wont matter much

[@Pillokun]

240hz is not doing it, I even tried an oled at 240hz and it felt off compared to the 390hz acer nitro v2 I use. I am looking at getting either the 480hz asus but I cant stand the issues when displaying gray/dark shades so thinking of getting an 600hz acer tn lcd.

[@FullFledged2010]

The problem is that in order to get the benefits of 240hz you also need 240fps... So in many cases you have to chose between pretty graphics or high fps and rather have pretty graphics personally. Also I would chose 144hz/fps native over 240 with frame gen and upscaling anyday 😑

[@dragoonxgamer]

i jumped from 60hz VA to 240hz QD OLED

[@BLAZN420_ECS]

From 4K/60 should I go 144hz or 240hz? (4070Ti)

[@FNDSVG]

Yes

[@FNDSVG]

But tbh i don’t give a shit about my graphics, so I would never buy/use a 4K device I only care about the performance so I would def go for 240hz but would be great if some more people would comment on this one!

[@BLAZN420_ECS]

I ended up with the ROG 4K/240 Black Friday sale

[@LucidStrike]

As someone who plays single player games almost exclusively, no. 4K144 is more than enough. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@Iuponix]

fair perspective. there is a big difference in what is optimal/desirable for competitive shooters and singleplayer experiences

[@LucidStrike]

@@Iuponix Yeah, so it's also a bit obnoxious when folks insist higher framerates aren't worth it for ANYONE in ANY context. Not everyone needs it, but some do.

[@oakfig]

Is there a difference in monitor latency and TV latency?

[@jacoblynch9862]

I see that depends on you. I’ll explain Linus did a video on this years ago and I think out of the four or five people of his own team that he tested only one person and that entire test panel could actually accurately predict if he was even on a 144 versus a 240 Hz monitor, one person out of 45 the rest of them always guess what monitor they were using they couldn’t even tell the difference, but that goes back to the first point. It depends on the person in my opinion. There’s a lot of people not going to be able to tell the darn difference because I don’t have the reaction time to actually see the differenceare some people who will be able to

[@cameronbosch1213]

Hardware Unboxed did a blur test on their Monitors Unboxed channel and depending on the game, higher refresh rates could be very useful without backlight strobing, especially for fast paced shooters.

[@5scbasher17]

I have Corsair xeneon flex 240hz, my game stutter if I don't limit my FPS to 120hz.

[@dixieflatline1189]

I have new system with a 4070 ti super, what monitor should I get? Monitors are just way too confusing compared to building an optimised system

[@Black-nf3tx]

It depends on your budget. If you're fine with spending extra, a 1440p 160hz or 240hz OLED would be the best. If you want to stay on a lower budget, then a 1440p 160hz IPS would be a good mix of being under half the price of the OLED but still looking good but not as good. VA panels are around the same price or cheaper than IPS and I've heard that the contrast looks a little bit better for gaming, but I've also heard of people having flickering problems on some games with VA panels, so I would avoid them personally.

[@d3mentia538]

About to get my ASUS 480hz at 1440p

[@hyakkimaru1057]

i want to haev a 1080p oled for the ghosting thats reduced and the colors but they dont make it and the 1440p 240hz are expensive so yeah if you can recommand the best 1080p 240hz or 1440p 240hz lowest price it would be nice

[@doctorcatsburger]

What's a good choice of a computer that can handle 240 hz

[@doctorcatsburger]

@TrickZ_Retz I don't want to play games, I want a fast refresh rate.

[@Time4GamesNow]

Survey says 56% Gamers prefer Single Player games nowadays. High refresh rate monitors are basically CS, Fortnite, Overwatch monitors only. These will net you more fps than the refresh rate. Hence all I see in monitor reviews are overwatch and overwatch only. Never have I ever seen a Monitor review for let's say God of War or Black Myth Wukong etc. Do a video to recommend monitors to those who enjoy Single Player games where Quality of the game and not its number of fps matters.

[@duncanidaho5834]

FYI single player games are also much smoother with higher FPS and Hz. When you say things like FPS don't matter in single player you sound unintelligent. You have a really bad take here.

[@Time4GamesNow]

@@duncanidaho5834 So does Console makers bud! I wish they could make consoles that do 240 fps in God of War :)

[@FantasticKruH]

I mean sure, but a lot of singleplayer games do not even support anything above 165fps. Most old rpgs do not even support above 60fps.​ And out of the newer games that do, even a 4090 cant really do 4k ultra settings above 144 on most of them. @@duncanidaho5834

[@adrogrossz]

i have 240hz oled monitor and i am still using 60Hz so what? I cant use higher because i will get use to that. :/ and most games cant support or reach more than 60

there aint a single game right now that struggles to reach 60 fps awtf are you talkin about

[@emonkhan1443]

If you have 144hz or 165hz and are planning to upgrade to 240hz for better performance in your game, then you better be at least immortal, or you're just shifting blame when the problem is you. even then go for the 400+ hz monitors instead of 240 to feel some actual difference.

[@zetahalo]

If you have the money and your gpu can support it sure why not

[@superior96]

No excuse to play esports at low refresh rates nowadays. It's the most important aspect for me and the setting I'd prioritise the most, over resolution and of course over general graphic settings. Cheap 240~280hz IPS: 150~180€ AliExpress 5700x3d: 150€ 2nd hand RTX 3070: 250€ though I'd probably go for 6800xt/3080 at 360€ with 3 year warranty in my country. 4060/7600 at 250 if you want brand new You can upgrade your older PC and setup for 550~700€/$ and play pretty much any eSport tittle at competitive settings +200fps. Hell a 5700x3d + 3070 is probably enough for 360hz if you lower res on most tittles.

[@cameronbosch1213]

I would say go for a Ryzen 7 7800X3D, but given that CPU seems to be very overpriced right now, I'd either wait for the Ryzen 7 9800X3D or just go for a Ryzen 7 7700X or 9700X, which will get very close in terms of gaming performance to a Ryzen 7 5800X3D but with all of the benefits of AM5.

[@Black-nf3tx]

@@cameronbosch1213 He's talking about at lower budgets. Obviously the 7800x3d is the best cpu in gaming but its also around $300 more than the aliexpress 5700x3d while the 7700x is $120 more.

[@cameronbosch1213]

@Black-nf3tx The problem is that CPU is on a dead platform with no future upgrades possible without a platform upgrade. Hence why I'd recommend a 7700X if you can't afford a 7800X3D. It's very similar overall in terms of performance to the 5800X3D, but it's on AM5 and has an iGPU.

[@superior96]

@@cameronbosch1213 if you wanted to spend a but more and get AM5 for future upgrades but wanted to stay on a budget, you could get 7500f on Ali for ~140€ or for not much more on normal retailers. And yeah I'm talking about the least you could spend to get a locked 240hz eSports experience. You don't really need 7800x3d for that. 5700x3d runs CS2 at +300fps most of the time.

[@MIleHighCoD970]

165 hz here, can't even go back to 60 for CoD

[@datsweetsansabooty]

It’s funny I have a 1080p monitor at 60 hertz it never looks as blurry and the higher refresh rate 1080p monitor in the thumbnail. I don’t doubt that there’s a huge difference at 240, but yall make it seem like we’re playing with a monitor smeared with Vaseline lol

[@fjorddenierbear4832]

240 hz is nice and I use it all the time, but 360 hz fried my brain after I tried it one time and I still miss the smoothness. Overwatch in 360 hz, even tho it was IPS - wow. I think 480 hz will be end-game, but who's not gonna prefer 960 hz later on?

[@504Trey]

60 is the new 30

[@Arno641]

ASUS has added customisable HDR mode via update (MCM103) to PG32UCDP model in which you could adjust various options including colour temperature but why they’re not bothering about PG32UCDM? They cost equally expensive as UCDP this is unfair guys ASUS SUCKS👎🏻👎🏻. Somehow we need to raise our voice for this🤦🏻‍♂️

[@jrei7448]

I went from 240 Hz to 360 Hz and it was life changing. You can definitely tell the difference. Got a 480 Hz on the way.

[@rocker10039]

I honestly feel like it's placebo effect lol. The difference is there but it's very little. Going from 165 hz to 240 is good but 240 to 360 is kind of the same experience

[@superior96]

You can tell the difference. It is not life changing. 144 to 240 is huge though.

[@QLMTA]

The difference is a little over 1 ms that's hardly life changing you are fooling yourself. And I have a 360hz monitor it's just not that much of a deal.

[@eslamarida]

My ping is 50 at best case scenario so upgrading even to 1000hz won't make a difference 😂

[@ExtortionMan]

I hope you’re trolling

[@TheSpiritof76]

My ping is 100+ so playing anything above 720p is meaningless

[@superior96]

​@TheSpiritof76 I try to keep my pixel response times at 10ms to balance. And mouse at 100hz is essential too.

[@eslamarida]

@@ExtortionMan why? Too high or too low ,i live in egypt and nearest server is in south Europe.

[@eslamarida]

@@TheSpiritof76 that's very high do you have fiber internet i have had the same ping before switching to fiber