Is Veganism Dead?

Are all the hot and smart people no longer vegan and instead eating meat and drinking raw milk like one carnivore tweet claims? What about those closing restaurants and underwhelming plant-based companies?
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[@declangodfrey]

I think a lot of us vegans have also drastically reduced our meat replacement intake and swapped it for beans, lentils, tofu, tempeh, etc, which are more affordable and healthier.

[@peterkornwolf6579]

Stronger than ever as an 8 year vegan!

[@asloan193]

My wife couldn’t eat the tofu from a vegan salad (sad I have to clarify vegan and salad) because the tofu tasted too much like real chicken. I was surprised and happy and sad for her all at once.

[@MarlaSingersCancer]

100%

[@avinashtyagi2]

True, I haven't had any vegan mock meat or other similar vegan product in over a year. I stick to Tofu and Tempeh these days.

[@happycarnivore5481]

@@avinashtyagi2 Mock meat is not for vegans it is designed to try and get carnists to eat it instead of real meat. It was bound to fail.

[@jeffreypenney3327]

I believe most experienced vegans are not buying the processed foods or eating out and are cooking more. Too expensive and unhealthy.

[@janefreeman995]

Yes, I'm so happy to be making delicious food at home. Most restaurant vegan food is drenched in oil and salt.

[@jeffreypenney3327]

Yes it is! I feel so healthy and good too knowing what’s in my food.

[@tannermichels5451]

I strongly disagree

[@midasghijsels]

exactly

[@Loveplants4me]

Yep!

[@seitanictendencies]

I live in an impoverished, rural area of the US where people love to eat meat, hunt, etc. I don't even know of any other vegans around here. Despite this, both my local Walmart and Kroger have decent selections of vegan products. And while there are no vegan restaurants, there is one pizza shop that has a vegan pizza option. Surely there are some other vegans around (or plant-based eaters) because these places keep these products in stock and I can tell that they are being bought. All this in one of the least likely of places tells me veganism is here to stay.

[@JohnDoe-s3v2v]

Yes, and in less unlikely parts of the world plant-based food is doing brilliantly. Two guys in my home town brought out a new brand of vegan fried chicken, called VFC, and it's selling so well that it's now being sold in major supermarkets up and down the country.

[@watsonjj]

I'm in the same situation. Rural hunting community, provably the only vegan for hours. I'm growing pinto beans and veggies on a 5 acre plot. Much less expensive than cows and vaccinations.

[@JohnDoe-s3v2v]

@@watsonjj Good for you, man. That's awesome.

[@mx248]

You're talking about corporate grocery stores, which due to economies of scale, can easily afford to stock a lot of vegan options and throw them away unsold, even in small towns. That doesn't mean a lot of people are buying them, let alone vegans exclusively. Corporations make decisions based on market trends. They gamble on things like this all the time. It remains entirely possible that all of our vegan options will diminish or disappear entirely in 15-20 years time.

[@JohnDoe-s3v2v]

@@mx248 My vegan options won't be going anywhere. Things like beans, rice, vegetables, pasta and lentils are here to stay. Same goes for oat milk, because it sells like crazy and it's awesome! :)

[@jcg7672]

Vegan restaurant goes under: “LOL veganism is dead!!!” Omnivore restaurant goes under: “Awww that sucks. Food industry is a tough business! 😢”

[@t.michaelbodine4341]

Exactly. Always.

[@GarudaLegends]

Vegan restaurants have a higher fail rate because the food sucks and the meals are unhealthy while managing to be expensive. Regular restaurants close for other reason than just sucking like vegan restaurants

[@absolutezeromusicofficial]

Carnist restaurant*

[@dellisgibbs5823]

❤❤❤

[@sonja4164]

LOL right?! 😂😂😂

[@jeanneamato8278]

Most vegans I know don’t eat out much. They’d rather cook at home.

[@darkpatches]

That's not good either. Google Trends shows a steady decline in "veganism" and "vegan recipes" searches since 2017.

[@zachary3603]

@@darkpatches As a vegan who cooks all the time, i only ever look at recipes when I'm trying to replace something (like bake a cake that I knew how to do traditionally but not so much vegan), or if I'm looking for a new spice blend from Asia etc to mix it up a bit. Majority of the time, I'm making random flavorings on top of Veg and Tempeh. Hardly need to reference recipes very often. Also don't forget lots of people using AI now for quick and easy options. Chatgpt spits out exactly what I need in seconds. Even has an "Agent" hooked up to all the api's etc required completely cutting google out.

[@frankchen4229]

​​@@darkpatchesit could be more people are developing the habit applying cooking principles and not sharing hard recipes; I don't remember the last time I've explicitly searched for a vegan recipe

[@darkpatches]

@@frankchen4229 Though I didn't say it, I'm mostly referring to new blood. Factoring in recidivism, as well, I think you'd need to see a positive trend in those searches for there to be growth, or just homeostasis, in the movement.

[@biancat.1873]

In Germany, we say: "Totgesagte leben länger!", which means: Those who are said to be dead live longer. 💚🐾🌱

[@VeganWellnessTribe]

Beautiful, love it!

[@AndreaAvila78]

I love it !!!

[@someguy2135]

Or is Mark Twain said the rumors of my death have been exaggerated.

[@behemoth5344]

@@someguy2135 I wonder what Mark Twain would have thought if he had seen his name in a comment thread that starts with a sentence in German.

[@someguy2135]

@@behemoth5344 Twain was an avid world traveler. He would have been delighted. He also loved technology, and would love the potential of the internet, but would recognize the drawbacks of how it is currently used.

[@BM1982.V2]

I think restaurants are just struggling in general. Vegan restaurants are adding meat to try to survive but just since the pandemic people arent eating out as much. A vegan restaurant near me added meat but then still shut down a year later. Its just the nature of things post pandemic. Most restaurants are struggling.

[@zi6803]

Yeah, after the pandemic it got really rough for them and the prices skyrocketed where I live. A few years ago my local vegan cafe had a piece of cake for around 2 eur, now it's almost 5. Considering how the cost of living is skyrocketing, most of us just simply can't afford to eat out anymore 😅

[@spiral-m]

I would say that here in Germany, more more people are going vegan and more people generally are increasing the plant based percentage of their nutrition. We have more plant-based options than previously.

[@veganix6757]

Thanks to the militant vegan

[@baibakepale]

Berlin was absolute vegan food paradise, and the food was so good ❤️

[@angiekelsay]

I was amazed by the amount of vegan restaurants I saw in Hamburg!

[@nehalilisays]

German meat company "Rügenwalder Mühle" started to sell more vegetarian and vegan meat alternatives than meat in 2021. They are the German market leader for mock meat and a lot of people buy their products in order to eat less meat.

[@Finn959]

Ja ja. Und auf jedem Produkt ist ein 30% Aufkleber, weil keiner den scheiß kauft

[@MikeM-uy6qp]

Someone who says 'Anyone who's hot, cool and intelligent is...' needn't be taken seriously.

[@user-no2mz9hl4f]

It sounds like those kids in high school, trying to get you to do something incredibly stupid.

[@MikeM-uy6qp]

@@user-no2mz9hl4f yeah it's perennial high school for these people

[@JohnDoe-s3v2v]

@@user-no2mz9hl4f That's so funny! Yeah, exactly right. 👍👍👍👍

[@jprice_]

@@user-no2mz9hl4f more like preschool

[@TylerJacobson-ux7oo]

The opposite of vegans you mean hahahaha😂

[@crowdofdissidents155]

I see it getting stronger, despite the ebb and flow of the forces of carnism. As we age and studies catch up, I think the benefits just get clearer and more undeniable.

[@VeryScaryDragonRawr]

You 100% see that with athletes, especially strength athletes. Omni and carnivore athletes peak by age 35, and their bodies are utterly DESTROYED by age 45. Vegan strengthh athletes don't see the same instant meteoric gains, it's true, but they just keep getting stronger and stronger well into their 40s, and basically never have the severe health decline that affects people who eat animal products. A ton of vegan athletes say they're in the best health of their lives at age 40+.

[@LindaGordon-jf7de]

The vegans are cyclically murdered and wiped from history by war like carnist. The Essenes (Jesus) the Gnostics ((Hippocrates, Pythagoras) for example

[@MadamoftheCatHouse]

U r talking like a religious fanatic.

[@dominicsmith5588]

This vid caused me to reflect on my choices a little to be honest. Been a vegan about 12-years now. I have fallen into a bit of pattern since Covid of not going out to restaurants but once a week ordering from Deliveroo while I cook my own meals for the rest of the week. The problem is in the city I live, there are 11 vegan establishments, these include restaurants, cafe's and pubs with an all vegan menu, only 2 of them deliver and of those 1 is an Indian cuisine place that is bloody awful, their curries are so bland it's like they have been diluted with water with the other being doughnut, cookies and sandwich place which while really tasty is not the best option for a healthy and filling meal. So mostly I've been simply ordering the vegan option off places on Deliveroo once a week rather than getting food from a vegan place because I was too lazy to travel there. I told myself that I was not socially responsible for propping up vegan businesses and while I still hold true to that, as long as I am not acting dishonestly and buying food from a place I don't think offers decent quality but rather places I genuinely like the food from and would pick if they were on Deliverloo, then I should make the effort to go to these places in person and not be so lazy alongside understanding the small contribution I can made to optics regarding veganism, as when vegan places close down it will be weaponised to push am anti-vegan narrative. So today I made the effort and went in person to the best vegan place locally, in my humble option, where as a starter I had an incredible, Baked Camembert "Our beautiful house made camembert, baked with white wine, garlic and rosemary, served with garlic toast, cranberry and orange compote" While for my main I had a not as nice but still satisfying, Al Pomodoro "Rigatoni served with rich tomato and basil source" To satisfy my sweet tooth I also had a Biscoff milkshake and lastly after staying in the city centre for a while I made a final stop on the other, actually GOOD vegan Indian place and had one of their mango lassi's. So all in all a very satisfying day and I very much look forward to going to one of the other vegan places next week.

[@Mrm1985100]

I've been vegan over ten years and was vegetarian for decades before that. In the 1990s it was fairly difficult to find even vegetarian food in places like the UK, Spain, Finland, and Canada, now vegan options are available almost everywhere. In the early 2000s, or even the early 2010s, veganism hardly existed at all, not only in terms of options and restaurants, but culturally it was completely unheard of. Despite setbacks, like ex-vegans, the overarching progress of the vegan movement in the past 20 years has actually been enormous. It's a bit like D-Day and the Normandy landings in WWII, there were loads of casualties at the beginning because of the huge opposition on the beaches, but the soldiers that made it through changed everything and eventually won the war.

[@alanwatsontravel]

The popularity of plant-based and vegan diets means that almost all restaurants now offer vegan options, a huge change from ten years ago, so is hardly a surprise that some purely vegan restaurants are struggling more. Something similar is probably happening with the specialist shops/health food stores which used to the main source of vegan alternatives/milks etc - these are now widely available in most supermarkets.

[@honeybunchesofangels6674]

My husband (vegan 4yrs) and I (vegan 15yrs) looked into taking a family member to the vegan mushroom restaurant mentioned, Third Kingdom, here in NYC last January and it was completely booked out for the next few months! Also their sister restaurant Avant Garden is super delicious and also completely vegan. No sign of veganism dying up here at least with so many great places to choose from. 🎉😅

[@MictheVegan]

I was just in NYC after filming this video and had some super delicious vegan food. Wish I could have made it to Avant Garden!

[@scubadiva666]

@@MictheVegan Avant Garden is great; my fave in NYC is Caravan of Dreams, though.

[@ArucardPL]

Here in Warsaw, I just saw a Vegan kebab place getting opened up in a place where a meat kebab used to be. Meanwhile, my favorite vegan placed here closed... for renovation, so I suppose that if they can afford renovation they must be doing at least fine. Just sayin'.

[@janefreeman995]

Its wonderful to be without arthritic troubles. Yesterday, my friends in thier 70s and I chatted and we are all impressed with our health indicators and delicious vegan no (or very low)oil and salt recipes packed with nutrients and much from our gardens.

[@Kayte...]

I'm 67. I was a no junk food vegetarian (since age 18) for about 20 years before going WFPB. I was limited to a 12 mile bike ride in my hilly area and a 3 mile hike if steep hills were involved and needed an isle seat to keep my legs fairly straight. My knees would hurt so bad I could barely get back off a mountain I'd hike. And that was despite rarely having dairy after the first 10 years. Eggs were primarily in baking, I wasn't an egg for breakfast person. Since going completely off animal products I have no knee issues and can even squat for an unlimited time. I couldn't even squat for 10 seconds without pain prior to WFPB. (I'd call myself vegan but too many vegans get uppity if you're for more than animal/moral issues) Today has an eye appointment and I was given an antioxidant test (somehow it's an indication of glaucoma risk) and my antioxidants were 63,000. The goal is 50,000. Attendant said most patients are below 30,000 with many below 20,000. I'd say WFPB works for me and my husband. He's 69 and has lost 2 siblings to health related deaths. One a couple years older and the other couple years younger. Recently his 9 year younger sibling had a stent inserted. He has several more siblings younger than he, all on BP medication and other drugs, and he knows he'll probably be burying them all. They all prefer to complain of their health issues and have daily activities restricted than give up their bacon and fried food. He can still work most 30 year olds under the table.

[@janefreeman995]

@Kayte... yes, my siblings are also debilitated by health issues. One with multiple stents flat lining many times during a heart attack actually eats minimal meat and lots of vegetables and berries but bought into the healthy oil thing so is convinced that tons of oil is a good thing. My other brother has failing health in many ways... cancer, high BP, digestive problems, bladder issues., etc... He basically lived on hot pockets for decades and way too much alchohol He tried a wfpb diet (also high salt and oil) actually for about 3 weeks and when it didn't change his BP he went back to processed food with gusto. It is distressing to see, but they don't have ears at all. Another friend was convinced she needed to have bone broth for calcium actually ended up in a nutshell with a mass near the thyroid where her body doesn't process calcium so she has way too much in her system and is having surgery soon otherwise was given 5 to 10 years because her bones would have deteriorated without surgery. She felt otherwise fine but it was discovered after blood tests with a physical as a new Medicare person. So a case in point for universal health care. US citizens tend to not go for preventative health care checkups and blood work with high deductibles....

[@jessicaadkins6830]

I can't support vegan restaurants because there are none around me. Closest thing in my small town is burger King with their impossible whopper. But i do work at a grocery store and i do see other vegans in my area. They aren't buying the expensive specialty mock meats. They're getting plant milks, produce, tofu, beans and grains. Sadly i feel like there's often a race to try to get all the tofu we want from the store because the section is so small and the store doesn't restock its tofu and plant based dairy alternative products fast enough.

[@someguy2135]

One factor that Mike didn't mention that influenced the popularity of plant-based meat products was the sudden increase in inflation. That made the price difference big enough for the popularity to drop suddenly.

[@MictheVegan]

Yes, that will definitely contribute!

[@MrBrewman95]

It certainly was for me. I'm not paying 10.00 for a bag of processed Gardein chicken tenders that aren't even filling.

[@austinroberson8]

Well that and the fact that beyond meat taste terrible.

[@someguy2135]

@@austinroberson8 and everyone has to decide for themselves but I love the taste of beyond meat. I haven't tried their new healthier version yet. Which one are you referring to?

[@wholefoodplantbasedmama5398]

Yes. I have been dead for forty years now. I have a good looking corpse.

[@soilikasanen]

😃

[@adiohead]

Veganism can't die because I'm vegan.

[@donnerparty1815]

You're be six feet under soon enough....destroy your health to save a chicken 😂

[@NicholasCompass]

You have to kill me first.

[@someguy2135]

Vegans don't live forever but we do live longer than meat eaters.

[@JohnDoe-s3v2v]

@@donnerparty1815 Veganism kills people and destroys their health? Interesting. You should try sharing your knowledge and insight with the powerlifter Noah Hannibal (raised vegetarian and now 33 years vegan) who can bench-press 200kg in steroid-free competition conditions. Or the powerlifter Oliver Zamzow (29 years vegan), who can squat 265kg in steroid-free competition conditions. Or the bodybuilder Jehina Malik, who has been vegan since birth. Or the powerlifter Carey Kidd who has been vegan since birth and is built like a mountain. Or Annette Larkins, or Bellamy Young, or Lou Corona, or Shane Sterling, or Petra Nemcova, or Stephanie Gerard, or John Rose, or Victoria Moran, or Torre Washington, or Stefania Ferrario, or Kimberly Carroll, or Woody Harrelson, or Mischa Janiec, or Tia Blanco, or.…

[@classicgameplay10]

@@someguy2135 no they dont

[@donnavogt433]

Veganism is cooler and smarter than ever. I actually can't imagine what a person was thinking when they LOOKED at a cow for a drink. Also if against assault of females, then why is it okay to do that to a cow as far as getting them pregnant. Disgusting

[@donnavogt433]

Also with epigenetics growing fast , don't discount the power of greens

[@GarudaLegends]

Lol. More ppl are leaving veganism than ever. No one cool or smart would stay vegan or go vegan.

[@thebowandbullet]

If carnivores think people go vegan to be "cool", does this mean they went carnivore for the same reason? They're telling on themselves here 🤭

[@GarudaLegends]

Vegans are not cool. Carnivore ppl think ppl go vegan because they are stupid.

[@sonja4164]

lol exactly

[@flyingpuma9729]

Both carnivores and vegans are idiots.

[@flyingpuma9729]

Both carnivorism and veganism are unnatural and unhealthy diets

[@flyingpuma9729]

Both carnivorism and veganism are insufficient and extremist diets.

[@darkangelprincess101]

But I hate is that the vegan products in my store got replaced by the plant-based products of the big meat companies. And when the big meat company is plant-based products failed they never brought back the original vegan products that got removed

[@vioheubach3112]

Then I would boycott them and buy my milk elsewhere or make it at home.

[@Susanonwow]

I’m not hot or cool. Guess that’s why I’m still vegan.

[@ElephantPatronus]

In all honesty, if a vegan restaurant that I frequent added meat to their menu, it would lose me as a customer. I think they are forgetting to read the room and consider their base audience. It’s a breath of fresh air to go to a restaurant and know that I can eat ANYTHING on that menu. That’s what makes it special. Literally every other restaurant on every corner is omnivore. Why be average when you can be special? Make really good food at reasonable prices and your base will stay loyal.

[@shamalagovindasamy9120]

It’s also important to note that mainstream cafes and restaurants have increased their range of vegan options on their menus. This is evidence of veganism expanding rather than dying!

[@barrydevonshire9749]

Maybe it is because smart vegans do not want to pay those inflated prices. So make the food themselves from healthy ingredients

[@Veegan4theanimals]

Nope, not vegan death here. 15 years vegan.

[@lucianas4919]

17 years vegan for me

[@oliviam7226]

37 here and literally healthier than ever.

[@JohnDoe-s3v2v]

@@lucianas4919 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@JohnDoe-s3v2v]

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[@Mr.Autodelete]

Let’s start with 2/3 of the world is already lactose intolerant and the fact that every major religion has some form of vegetarian tradition from at least one of its sects. Veganism will never die

[@SnokenX]

Yet there isnt a single fully vegan native people alive. Partially because it is often hard to get all nessesary amino acids and minerals needed only using local crops and partially because you will be screwed when a longer drought hits. Animals convert inedible greens to food which is invaluable in times of drought. We were adapted to eat both meat and vegetables.

[@Mr.Autodelete]

@@SnokenX practicality in sourcing foods for indigenous people can not be equated to health the earth has changed massively in the past 3.5 million years in terms of the types of foods available to us. Meat has continuously been an extremely small part of our diet. I am not aware of any adaptations we have to eating meat but I can tell you we match other fruigivore animals in pretty much every way. Orangutans will eat eggs, deer will eat birds, this doesn’t mean they’re adapted to eat these foods. The ethics are more nuanced and the understanding of our world has changed. There were plenty of people who lived mostly off of grains and legumes that could have easily been vegan if they knew what we knew today. IE pretty much every civilization to ever touch the planet was mostly reliant on grains and legumes NOT MEAT 🤦‍♂️

[@imjustsaying5357]

​@@SnokenX Yes there weren't fully vegan native people, because the name of the game was survival. Thriving and surviving are two different things. As a vegan for over 10 years, I'll say honestly that if I was stuck on an island of course I would eat whatever animal I could find, because it's either that or die. But that doesn't mean my health would great, I would just survive until I can create a sustainable food system for myself. Point being, when you take survival out of the equation, the data is clear when it comes to what foods are healthy and what isn't. Animal products are not.

[@SnokenX]

@imjustsaying5357 I believe in redundancy. You can not trust that a global market with no major droughts will be there forever. Also, growing crops require fertiliser, which you get from farm animals. Also, not all land is suitable for crops, but cows and sheep can craze there. We all need to eat significantly less meat both for our planet and our health. However, not everyone can absorb nutrients from vegan food. Also, most vegans stop after a few years due to health reasons. As did I. Also one reason why studies show that meat is bad is because the healthy meat eater who eats gras fed beef cooked from scratch with plenty of vegetables gets clumped together with someone who only eats fast food all day while most vegans tend to be health conscious. And you more or less had to make all or most of your food from scratch until recently. Today, you can be a beyond burger vegan and live solely on ultra processed foods. Practical yes, but hardly healthy...

[@SnokenX]

@dubya4915 the fact that we lack the pathways to synthetize essential amino acids and break down longer starches like all herbivores do is proof we did not adapt to live on grains alone. We are like bears and rats. Adapted to eat what we find and what is in season. We are omnivores not carnivores.

[@JohnDoe-s3v2v]

In other news, two guys in my home town have brought out a brand of vegan fried chicken, called VFC, and it's selling so well that it's now being sold in major supermarkets up and down the country.

[@tamcon72]

You're in the UK. There is a large enough vegan, plant-based, and flexitarian population to affect supply. That is not true in the States.

[@JohnDoe-s3v2v]

@@tamcon72 ... and I'm still waiting for the States to produce a band as good as Led Zeppelin. 😜

[@mkmstillstackin]

@@tamcon72 the world is shrinking. Just give it time 😉

[@johnboy8594]

Gross, how many chemicals did it take to make a bean taste like chicken, EAT THE CHICKEN not this fake garbage

[@pkw354]

Seven years vegan, me and my husband. His health has improved drastically since we changed, including stopping and REVERSING COPD. For those that don't know, COPD is a progressive disease. He also no longer has any symptoms of congestive heart failure and zero bouts of ulcerative colitis (which nearly killed him twice) since going vegan. And my skin looks great.😃

[@henrituhola]

I guess I'm not cool hot or intelligent but I'm eating plant based beginning of this year and only going to move further toward veganism. My hobbies are violin, gym, ice bathing, computer programming. I consider keto diets unhealthy in their commonly presented forms.

[@teagoldleaf4137]

You sound pretty cool to me 😎 🌱👍

[@JohnDoe-s3v2v]

Not cool? Naaah. You sound very cool, bro. No wonder you feel at home in an ice bath. 😉 Welcome to veganism! Have you watched Gary Yourofsky's speech yet?

[@henrituhola]

@@JohnDoe-s3v2v I haven't watched it. But I will. I've been an idiot and scolding Mic years ago. I thought that veganism was unhealthy. To my defense for years there has been fairly successful anti vegan trend that spews nonsense which was honed coinvincing. Now that I know this, I have desire to dismantle that all effort and void it. I intend to do it by losing weight and being buff as hell.

[@stacyhuss9454]

@@henrituholaYay Henri! You show the world!!

[@JohnDoe-s3v2v]

@@henrituhola Yes, you should put that Yourofsky video at the top of your "to watch" list. It's legendary. You were a troll?! Wow! What did you say to Mike when you trolled him? If there are any specific videos you can remember posting under, please would you let me know? I'd love to read them in the knowledge that you then changed Yes, a plant-based diet can be very healthy, as long as you don't make any obvious, rookie errors (like eating two pounds of spinach every day). Btw, I hope you won't restrict food to the point where you're getting low in nutritional intake, for example iron? Perhaps you should take a daily vegan multivitamin, to be safe? I always recommend that to people anyway, as insurance, but it applies even more if you're dieting. You might like a channel called theveganmooncat. Not buff, but he lost a huge amount of weight. And Hench Herbivore does a livestream almost every day, where you can ask questions. I've been vegan for a good while (and no meat since the 80s), so I'm always happy to answer questions, either now or in the future. Congratulations on making such an important decision.

[@geek5075]

Veganism is the future of humanity

[@tsurutom]

It's the future of civilization, insofar as there is one. More likely, humanity's future are small bands of hunter-gatherers after the collapse, in those pockets that will still be habitable in a few years.

[@barbaraibiel]

@@tsurutom Except there will be no one to hunt because humanity is causing mass extinction.

[@bengilkes7676]

@@tsurutom Unfortunately I agree with you.

[@LindaGordon-jf7de]

Vegans cultures, historically are murdered of by carnist cult.ures Essenes, Cathars, Gnostics, real Buddhists

[@ChucksExotics]

No it's not. Lab meat is. Eventually labs will be able to make steaks that taste better and are cheaper than any natural meat. But this is still a win for you vegans, because there will be less animal suffering.

[@hugomarquez3189]

We’ll never let it die

[@alphaikaros417]

It will not die because there will always be people who have an emotional problem with the treatment of animals.

[@sag3_v]

Emotional? More like moral problem.

[@GarudaLegends]

You are right. There will always be losers like vegans.

[@missoats8731]

Last month one of Germany's biggest supermarket chains opened their first all vegan branch in Berlin. Surely they see things a bit differently than this carnivore dude 😅 I think people who have money to lose tend to be a bit more straight with the facts than a random guy on twitter who's personally offended that veganism is still not dead.

[@MadamoftheCatHouse]

They are not personally offended. Most likely they themselves have been a vegan and ended up with bad health due to malnutriton.

[@missoats8731]

@@MadamoftheCatHouse And now he's personally offended because vegans are still thriving and he has to face the fact that a plan-based diet wasn't the problem, but his stupid approach to diet.

[@xperience-evolution]

Abusing your pet is a crime. Someone punching and kicking a Dog/pig/horse/calf etc on the streets would be called psychopath and people would help or call the police.

[@longevitycoach1573]

Dogs and cats are meat eater, please don’t abuse then, thank you.

[@SladeShadows]

Cats, yes, dogs, meh literally omnivores and that's because of people/domestication unless you have some type of wolf your dog is mostly likely going to be fine if you keep it simple.

[@philliphayner8357]

IMO the meat industry is definitely funding the carnivore diet trend. This is a trust-me-bro anecdote, but carnivore appeared out of fucking nowhere, most notably from the best snake oil salesman there is: Jordan Mothereffin Peterson.

[@MS45636]

Sure but then some people seem to get results from it so what can ya do?

[@RickyVids2001]

@@MS45636 Turns out if you cut out processed junk food, sugar, and added salt you might feel better, even only eating cuts of meat! But who's to say those people won't also feel better eating vegan whole-foods like veggies, mushrooms, and legumes... not to mention avoiding the violence required to obtain animal products, and mitigating their environmental effects.

[@MS45636]

@@RickyVids2001 I dont know man, you've also got some high carb vegans who add raw sugar, dont worry as much about processed food and drop the fat intake to super low - some of them improved health that way wtf. Also people like eli martyr barely eat much at all (like under 2k calories a day)and is super healthy - i dont get that guy. Theres also some people who do seem to do better with animal products like it or not and its not like people havent tried vegan. Im just a dude, peace

[@LeFlamel]

@@MS45636 Carnivore is basically the same as keto - fasting is good for people, so eating a diet that puts you in a fasting mimicking state will give you short term benefits. But it's not good to be in a permanent fasting state - we know this because the only ethnic group that has historically eaten carnivore is the Inuits, and they've literally genetically adapted to not go into ketosis.

[@terseandtiny1746]

I love JP but I hate his diet.

[@1armmanny]

Veganism will live on through me as long as I'm here 😁

[@steveavecillas1114]

The vegan diet of nuts, vegetables, fruits, and grain was domesticated by humans

[@JogoShugh]

Keep up the good work, Mike, always appreciated

[@gabriellawaldi]

If veganism is dying why is my favorite vegan pancakes mix always sold out? 😩

[@EastWindCommunity1973]

I became a vegan and I did, in fact, die. Healthy *and* immortal life, my butt!

[@realrift01]

Rumours of your death are greatly exaggerated.

[@RobertJamesFischer-ov7bv]

Congratulations on 400 subs, Mic!!!

[@MictheVegan]

THANKYA!

[@MizClover]

RIP sage, that’s like the saddest news I’ve heard today, never going back to that restaurant again 😓

[@Spock_Rogers]

I think I'm leaner and more energetic when I don't use animal products. 🕊️💕🌱🌞

[@zaruhisurmenyan4529]

I have been vegan for 7 years now, i think more. Bottom line is and I think it is for a lot of vegans, that in time you move towards more veggies and fruits and do not really buy the meat replacements. My non vegan boyfriend eats more vegan replacements as he likes vegan pizza and vegan beyond jerky than me.

[@SteversChed]

You're just one a diet then. You still use animal products. No need to call yourself something you're not.

[@jordanjtbraun]

"the vegan section"... I think you meant the produce aisle, right? I don't understand society. Back when I stopped eating animals, there were none of these "meat analogues". We don't need them. "Meat Analogues" is more of an indicator of undecided omnivores than for vegans. I appreciate meat analogues. I don't tend to buy or eat meat analogues. My beans, lentils and rice do me just fine... (I do eat more than that!)

[@1armmanny]

How does one slaughter an innocent being with integrity?

[@Jeffs60]

The same way you do when you put bed sheets in a clothes dryer which kills millions of microscopic dust mites.

[@manga4774]

You dont.

[@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos]

​@@Jeffs60 I don't think slaughter is an unintended death caused by practicability issues.

[@donnerparty1815]

Great, you destroy your health to save a chicken. What a snowflake.

[@JohnDoe-s3v2v]

@@Jeffs60 I'm sorry to hear that you're upset about the dust mites. I know what you mean about the fact that invertebrates matter. But on a more positive note at least by being vegan you're changing what it IS practicable to change, and hopefully one day we'll be able to eliminate mite deaths too. Have courage, my friend. 💪

[@SteveRuprecht]

Non dairy milk has an entire door at my local grocery now compared to one shelf in a door 4 years ago. Also, 100s of restaurants close locally and few notice but if one of them is vegan i guarantee it will make front page news in the food section.

[@SteveRuprecht]

Like when the hotdog place close to me closed I didn't see an article about the death of the hotdog movement.

[@JohnDoe-s3v2v]

@@SteveRuprecht Precisely!

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

It's not only vegans who eat vegan options. People need to realize that.

[@annerigby4400]

I watched this video because the idea that veganism is dead was quite funny to me. Then you talk about trends/fashions/fads and that if any "ism" is losing ground it would be the carnivorism or the ketoism trends, which makes perfect sense if you think about people who have perhaps seen their latest bloodwork after a couple of months suffering through such diets. Restaurants adding animal products to their menu is not a sign of veganism going out, but more likely related to restaurants being businesses and it being easier to make money if you cater to every 'ism' instead of just one. Personally, I couldn't care less what other people eat or how popular my food choices are (or are not). We live in a beef, cheese and wine part of a country so we really are not 'fitting in'. There are village activities and the prizes are always a pricey piece of (local) meat or (local) cheese and any gathering is around a meal of mainly meat. If we want to eat in a vegan restaurant, we have to make a reservation, travel upwards of two hours only to find out that what is on offer is basically what I make at home and a lot more expensive. What we tend to do is go to buffet-style restaurants (Chinese, for example) or Indian restaurants. Where there is a will, there is a way. I cannot imagine anyone (other than your typical fad youtuber who switches to whatever will get clicks) abandoning a vegan lifestyle simply because it's not fashionable anymore. For those of us who made a decision based on unchangeable factors (health, preferences, environment, animals, etc) what anyone else chooses to do is irrelevant. I do believe there is going to be more and more anti-vegan 'propaganda' or misinformation as time goes by because more and more people are replacing meat with non-animal 'meats' and more people are choosing veganism. Of course the meat and dairy companies are going to do all they can to prevent this from happening. When was it that the dairy industry went into a panic and got a law passed that forbids any liquid other than cow's milk from being called "milk"? All the non-meat producers need to do is not use any of the meat-related words in the naming and promoting their products. They can use terms like high-protein or tasty. As always, interesting video. Thanks.

[@S-Lewis]

Keep up the good work Mike. Unlike Keto and Carnivore, most vegans who start with a healthare goal, actually stay in it for love of the planet, to stop cruelty to animals and because their moral compass won't let them turn back. The everyday challenge of bucking the system/norms is what drives people to leave, so channels like yours keeps us going.

[@russianvegangirl]

finally 400k, congratulations, Mike! 💫

[@MictheVegan]

THANKS!

[@VeganLinked]

So cool! I interviewed the lady that flipped the car, Angeline Berva, last year when she was here competing at Mr America 🙂 it's called "Winning EVERYTHING! All As a VEGAN: In French & English Angeline Berva"

[@SteversChed]

Why do you use animal products needlessly while only pretending to be against it? I know you won't answer directly and factually so I will just accept your concession.

[@VeganLinked]

@@SteversChed Jesus not you again, I already responded to you on my channel now here you are again saying the same thing.

[@VeganLinked]

@@SteversChedI do not consume body parts, organs or secretions. That's where we start with making a difference.

[@cassball7]

I became vegan like 20+ years ago. I didn’t due it because it was popular. I did it for my health and now I do it for the earth. If a vegan restaurant closes it’s not the end of the world. I can cook my own food. If they stop making non dairy milk, I can make it myself. Do what helps you and the planet! Don’t worry about trends!

[@roku3216]

The vegan donut place I go to is booming so hard, you're lucky to get anything before they're cleared out each day. They've been around since '19 and gaining.

[@caliskaterboy]

I just looked at the Google trends; compared “vegan” and “carnivore”. People are searching vegan wayyy more! Look per city and and we see every major city in the USA is searching “vegan” at 95% or more vs “carnivore” at 5% or less except St Louis, which still searches vegan more but proportion was slightly lower. Carnivore was most searched in the states of Idaho, Wyoming, Missouri, and a couple other super red states.

[@SteversChed]

@@caliskaterboy Can you name a single person I can look up who doesn't eat or use animal products? How about a single person I can look up who doesn't eat or use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid? Why do you use animal products needlessly while only pretending to be against it? I know you won't answer any of these directly and factually so I will just go ahead and accept your concession.

[@caliskaterboy]

@@SteversChed​​⁠This is a bizarre comment. There are hundreds of millions of people on the planet who don’t eat animal products. Vegans also don’t wear fur or participate in circuses, among other things. People to look up? I’d say best place to find common vegan folks would be online vegan groups, there are thousands of members in local vegan groups but most are in metropolitan areas. Celebrities you could look up? Ariana Grande, Billy Eilish, John Stewart (from Daily Show), Brad Pitt, Leonardo DiCaprio, Michelle Visage, Joaquin Phoenix, Woody Harrelson, Lewis Hamilton, Ricky Gervais, Pamela Anderson, Venus Williams (tennis player), and so many more. Too many to list. You can look up the celebrities on your own accord. Is there an absolute guarantee none of these people use some type of product that contains an animal ingredient (like tires or antibiotics)… of course not. It’s impossible to know what kind of ingredients is in every single item we use. But that doesn’t prove anything on your behalf. We currently live in a world in which products are made of hundreds or thousands of materials sourced globally. So it’s possible my Nissan Leaf, my bicycle, or my “vegan” shoes have something from an animal or something that has affected an animal in some way. The definition is not to “eliminate” but rather to “reduce” suffering as much as possible and practicable. The appeal to hypocrisy argument and the appeal to futility argument are both logical fallacies and weak arguments at best. I assume that’s where you were going with that. If you aren’t getting responses from people online, it’s not concessions from those you respond to; it’s because we usually ignore the “trolls”. As for me, I usually ignore but your comment is worthy of a response. I don’t guarantee I’ll continue a conversation moving forward not because I can’t put down arguments against veganism (I definitely can) but because I’m finishing my registered nursing program and limit time I spend online outside of HW and research. If you’re looking for arguments for and against veganism, I strongly recommend Earthling Ed’s videos.

[@SteversChed]

@@caliskaterboy Thanks for confirming you can't name a single person who doesn't eat or use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid since everyone you named can be easily seen to be using products containing or manufactured with animal products. Thanks for the easy win and your concession even though you deflected and evaded the actual questions.

[@chrisjohnson-kr7oj]

Im more vegan than ever

[@darkpatches]

Your bragging makes you seem cool and hot.

[@teagoldleaf4137]

Excellent video. I really liked seeing the stats in graphs! I've seen omnivorous restaurants close down during the panny, and they continue to close down, thanks to inflation and people having less disposable income. And I totally agree, there's been a huge backlash against veganism funded by the meat/dairy/egg industry. Years ago, Oprah did an exposè called Dangerous Food and explored the mad cow disease that Brittan was facing and how it could happen in the US. She said something to the effect that she would not be eating burgers again. The sales of beef dropped after that episode, and Oprah was taken to court! Anything that messes with profit margins of the big old boys club is not taken lightly.

[@AislingDonohoe]

Congratulations on 400k! 👏

[@MictheVegan]

THANKS SO MUCH!

[@thebowandbullet]

Not the bird flu thinning the carnivore herd via raw milk 😅

[@AshleyStars144]

Why is everything a trend to people, eat healthy = longer life

[@dellisgibbs5823]

When you know you can live healthy without meat and dairy, and your saving a sentient animal, cow, pig from a sad painful slaughter. So intelligent just like our pet dog friends. Wouldn't any compassionate human opt for that choice.

[@teagoldleaf4137]

Well said 🌱💖

[@caliskaterboy]

In regard to that restaurant that went from plant-based to serving meat: I worked at Sage Vegan Bistro from 2017 to 2020. We were a BUSY restaurant. I was making $45-60 an hour with hourly and tips. Excellent job. But owner was known to be an omnivore. She partnered with her vegan friend and they created the company. Her friend was the passionate vegan. Sadly, her friend died and Molly took over the business. She was never a passionate vegan. They were breeding chickens on their farm for years. How do I know? Because the employee party was at the farm and they had hatcheries. Some of us (the vegan employees) were pissed. She’s been a hypocrite all along and she’s in it 100% for money. So restaurant was doing very well but COVID hit and restaurant was closed to sit down dining. We were still busy with takeout though. Same year she opened two new restaurants which was worst timing from pandemic and both failed. This year, I hear from ex coworker that she’s going to sell meat. No surprise whatsoever. The restaurant has likely lost a huge portion of their base. Many passionate vegans dined there. We had plenty of omnivores as well. So reason for the transition is not because veganism is declining but because Molly has been breeding and killing animals for years and she finally decided to start selling the dead bodies through her restaurant rather than on the side.

[@SteversChed]

Everyone here who claimed to be against using animal products uses them needlessly anyway. You calling her a 'hypocrite' is funny though. Tell us... Why do you use animal products needlessly while only pretending to be against it? Please notice the needlessly instead of disregarding it again...

[@vioheubach3112]

Thank you for informing us about this, very insightful!

[@MeatYourNewBestFriend]

Yep, Carnivores are king of the weirdos now, sorry guys.

[@MadamoftheCatHouse]

Yeah, weirdo is someone who makes different food choices than you. How compassionate and tolerant of you.

[@GarudaLegends]

Nope. Everyone is laughing at vegans and not carnivores.

[@DM5550Z]

@@GarudaLegendsdont you get bored

[@MadamoftheCatHouse]

@@GarudaLegends I'm only laughing at those vegans who evangelize.

[@lacedhexes]

@madamofthecathouse but you must understand, that vegan food is a moral choice. You talk about compassion and then say you eat meat, that's been bred and slaughtered. That meat was an animal. Can you try looking at it from that perspective?

[@144Donn]

Today is 34 years since I decided to stop consuming animal flesh. Vegetarian for 20 years then Vegan the last 14 years. Veganism is quite alive & kicking!

[@SteversChed]

You continue to use animal products needlessly... No need to make things up.

[@pitchlumin]

Subsidies from public tax do go to animal industry as well to prop up, and lower cost customers pay. Cost of water efficient food getting subsidies would be grown out of the dirt cheap!

[@kyl5005]

Yeah im 10 years vegan and i rarely eat processed food or eat out. By now we just know how to take care of ourselves without relying too much on others. So might not be as profitably as business unless u are a farmer. And i think thats a good thing cuz we def need to focus on going back to our sources and roots.

[@KerriEverlasting]

Vegan. Still here. Didnt die. ❤

[@victtoriamarie5431]

Butcher's Daughter is a vegetarian restaurant. it's not vegan but some items are. The economy and food inflation. People are just stressed to have food to eat ,much less add stress and challenges like "is this gel cap vegan?" They slap luxury prices to vegan items and the government subsidizes things like meat and eggs and dairy so it actually cost less, even though it should more. Most people dont have time to invent every item to make a meal and some are not able to.

[@melissalovesnature3370]

Considering all the foods that are vegan, it's got to be easier to be vegan than carnivore. I think the carnivore diet will die because there's very little variety.

[@chrisconklin2981]

Cheer up Mic. Eating is a long-term proposition dependent upon many variables. An ample supply of food is only a recent occurrence from a past were we were forced to eat anything that came along. Most people live between being fully plant based and full carnism. Recently humanity has become concerned about issues of long term sustainability. Veganism is an ethic as well as a diet. What is important is that moving away from a meat centric lifestyle has great merit.

[@verenamartini8695]

Vegan is the best way of life !

[@efortunywhitton]

Well done, Mic! 😊❤ Good synopsis! (As always.)

[@spoudaois]

As a vegan I like the whole food I cook myself. Its better than meat substitutes tha most vegan restaurants have.

[@alexandreroudaut3418]

Veganism will not be dead as long as I live, that's for sure. Hang on everyone, keep fighting for the animals.

[@unicornguy9676]

I think restaurants are closing in general. It's becoming too expensive, and generally, small businesses (most vegan restaurants are small businesses) suffer the most.

[@ASMRyouVEGANyet]

Yesterday I was stung by a yellow jacket twice. I took some Benedryl and put ice on the stings and this morning it's as if nothing happened. I fully attribute this to my diet. When I was vegetarian I had horrible reactions to bites and stings. The presence of animal proteins causes an overactive/imbalanceed immune system. If people knew more they would make the switch.

[@jjjones4982]

These meat companies can keep their meat alternatives, I'll stick to my lentils & beans

[@abominablesnowman3494]

I eat a 6 pack of vegan hot dogs every other week. Old habits die hard. But yes for the most part, beans and lentils and a protein shake after hard workouts.

[@HerbysHanz]

At jjjones4982: hello. Can u send me some FMT material? Please. I will pay for shipping and whatever. I am in Cali, USA. I want to eat my lentils and rice also. I m almost paralyzed from the beans I ate a few days ago. 🙏

[@user-no2mz9hl4f]

I have noticed some vegan products no longer made. No more vegan Halo Top or Haagen-Daaz. I definitely miss that. But overall? No, veganism is alive and well. I used to feel pressure to support (aka purchase) every new vegan product that came out, but then I realised that, as long as I’m vegan, I’ll be supporting vegan products, because I’ll always buy vegan. Whether that’s lentils or sausages, sun cream or boots, yogurt or strawberries - I’m supporting vegan industry.

[@GabbyPeterson17]

Im still predominantly vegan! I cheat here and there with some dairy/ baked goods but I’ve been mainly vegan for 8 years and I was vegetarian for 2 years before that! I love it! I feel absolutely amazing with the help of iron supplements and lots of nutritional yeast for B12!

[@NORMLfan13]

So mainly you think animals have the right to keep their babies and not get sexually assaulted and murdered by humans for their bodies and what comes out of them? Nice.

[@somedudeok1451]

Even just looking at the economic situation, we have clear indications that veganism will have to grow - not shrink - in the future. There's a growing number of people, there's limited farmable land to produce calories. And that just means it will eventually become too costly to keep these extremely innefficient processes of feeding calories in plant food to cattle to then create a fraction of those calories in the form of meat for us.

[@Victor-Soria]

i know it’s good when i read this title and have a vegan, loving smile

[@BrocLarter]

A bunch of vegan restaurants are closing though, at least in Orange County. Vegan Galaxy, Loving Hut, Native Foods, Veggie Grill, Gracias Madre, Cafe Gratitude, Plant Power, and Veg'd have closed in OC during the last year. It definitely sucks for lazy vegans, like myself.

[@JohnDoe-s3v2v]

The OC Vegan Galaxy happened to have terrible management, and in the case of Cafe Gratitude they lost a load of custom when people found out that the two owners raise and slaughter cattle. If they had been genuine vegans, other vegans would have given them more trade.

[@hudsontarlow]

Great video Mic! Really insightful perspectives in this one

[@SirReptitious]

As someone who eats keto/carnivore I want there to be more and more vegans, so it leaves more meat for rest of us.

[@tamcon72]

hurr durrrr

[@kratos8529]

Says the animal murderer

[@JuliaJulia007]

Plant based here. I do venture out occasionally, but Keto? No way! Gross.

[@VeganLinked]

I noticed last year that some of the keto channels that came up in my feed had people failing and in the comments going to carnivore so it makes sense that this death-based last ditch elimination fad diet would be on the rise before its demise!

[@SteversChed]

Why do you use animal products needlessly while only pretending to be against it? I know you won't answer directly and factually so I will just accept your concession.

[@VeganLinked]

@@SteversChed why do you troll vegans and ask the same question over and over across various channels and under the same videos repeatedly?

[@SteversChed]

@@VeganLinked You're confused it seems. I have never trolled someone who doesn't eat or use animal products. I just ask questions of those who use animal products needlessly while only pretending to be against it. I answered your question directly and factually. Now do the same or is this just another deflection of yours?

[@olgakim4848]

Vegan until I grow really old and die! 💚🌱

[@phantasticdrago230]

Well I just celebrated my 8 year veganniverssary! It's likely just that it's not as newsworthy as it was for a few years there or it has become more acceptable and therefore not as eyecatching for headlines. In New Zealand a popular plantbased meat alternative brand called Sunfed is stopping its products as it can no longer afford it thanks to investors pulling out. It sucks because it was the only alternative my mother could eat, she has a lot of food sensitivities but still manages to eat plant based! We are here but just not as loud!

[@okman9684]

If harming killing animals and torturing them is considered cool them I'm good not being cool. You don't have to be cruel to br cool

[@StephenLandstra]

I became vegetarian in 1977 at a little hippie health food restaurant in a shopping center. It had lots of propaganda including gory scenes of slaughter houses. It went out of business a few months later and was replaced with a butcher shop. That stayed around until a few years ago when it and the shopping center went under the bulldozer.

[@annaal7480]

No, I am alive so it lives until I’ll kick the bucket. Regarding milk, there is mad cow disease in Scotland right now, so good luck to raw milk drinkers 🤩

[@Smashboy44]

Do you have a video on their “regenerative” animal farms? It seems like it’s going to be the next flagship for animal agriculture

[@sailingby]

Veganism will outlive the naysayers 😀

[@spliter227]

I did drop the label "vegan", but I'm 6+ years 100% plant based. I will never support factory farming, it's a blight on humanity

[@tsurutom]

Reason and morality are dying, even if that were the case, is not a great argument for reason and morality being bad or undesirable.

[@dekyor9547]

What I've learned is definitely sponsored by the meat industry

[@s3731711]

I think some of the issues with some vegan convenience foods is that they just dont have healthy ingredients ans ao many people are coming to plant based diets for the health benefits and trying to get away from processed foods. We definitely buy those vegan convenience foods but mostly try to stick to fresh produce, fruit and beans, tofu and nuts/seeds for protein

[@Looksthatkale]

I think it's way more popular than ever. I think the places that close probably just didn't have great food. I didn't go to sage but I heard their food was very mediocre.