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@ChaseAvior8 ай бұрын
I listened to your new audiobook, Ed!
@itsamirageee8 ай бұрын
I just finished your new book, it was absolutely incredible. I got the signed copy as well. I can't wait for the third one... I know you're already working on it.
@ReverendDr.Thomas8 ай бұрын
@@ChaseAvior, indeed, Mr. Edward “Winters” Gaunt’s understanding of metaethics is beyond reproach, which explains why he condones the MURDER of poor, innocent humans before they have the opportunity to even see the light of day. 👶 The fact that he repeatedly asserts that “humans are animals”, shows what an abject hypocrite is that MURDEROUS sinner. 😩 Furthermore, it is debatable whether Ed is truly vegan in his outlook, since he recently stated on the national television programme, GBNews, that he believes we ought NOT ban animal agriculture! “I’m not even saying that we should ban meat, dairy and eggs right now”. Mr. Ed Gaunt, So-called “VEGAN” activist. 😐 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iZ2YeKOugb2hq6s Go to the 8:15 mark.
@dawnmccarthy18 ай бұрын
Someone show the vegan videos of cows and horses eating small animals. Or deer chewing bones for calcium. I saw a video of a deer eating a snake like a froot rollup.
@itsamirageee8 ай бұрын
@@dawnmccarthy1 what does that prove? Lmaooooooo
@henryrutty95758 ай бұрын
I'm always amused at the perceived intelligence of 18 year olds in their Ivy League bubbles.
@Kamerjas88 ай бұрын
Ayn Rand is a minority view in ivy league universities
@cordster5158 ай бұрын
Yep mainly average/mediocre students from wealthy/comfortable backgrounds
@FreeDharmasangha8 ай бұрын
😂
@claytheist67367 ай бұрын
Frrrrr.
@CindyBarg7 ай бұрын
Those who've largely never had to fend for themselves outside of heating up a microwave dinner.
@jamesmarno8 ай бұрын
"I think that there's a selfishness there that CONCERNS me." So glad Ed said that sentence and used that word. That was the feeling I felt through the whole video. Concern.
@ninjaninja99548 ай бұрын
98% of the UK are meat eaters so 98% of us are selfish I guess?
@jamesmarno8 ай бұрын
@@ninjaninja9954 Nope. You guess wrong. The selfishness being pointed out is this guy in the video's justification for not caring about what the animals have to suffer and endure. He spoke about how it doesn't benefit HIM to care about the cruelty and abuse animals experience just for him to derive pleasure from the products that they're forced to become. It's an objectively selfish stance to take. That can't be refuted. As for the 98% of people who eat meat in the UK, I think it's actually closer to about 84% of UK that eats meat. But anyway, they're not all branded as selfish. Perhaps misled, uninformed, misinformed, ill informed, detached, unaware, naive, ignorant, arrogant, oblivious...but not necessarily selfish. It comes down to the person. I live in the UK and I ate meat for 30 years. Happily. But I would definitely consider myself to have been many of those options. And yes. Perhaps even selfish. Then I decided too change.
@ninjaninja99548 ай бұрын
@@jamesmarno it's hard to reply to you when my comments get removed because I am giving honest and polite constructive criticism
@NAME-sl2ms8 ай бұрын
I don't think that's a selfishness... Life is very complicated and sometimes we must make decisions over things that seem immortal in a One dimensional way... We as a living organism must consume over another living being that isn't us whether they be a plants or an animals or in some cases bacteria... And for morality to only be applied to those whose visage of suffering are the ones that we ourselves can relate to seems hypocritical to me... I mean, we kill millions of living being everyday just by existing... And I agree that the meat industry is cruel and unethical as per our visage but there are ways that can be adopted which are also environment friendly... I've seen a project in Japan where rice and ducks were grown collectively and it looked like it served positive for both the plant and the birds without harming the environment... That sort of projects I think everybody should implement... And it is proven that whole food nutrition is very lacking for a human... as the plant is making food and seeds for itself, not for us... and everything in it is not compatible to our body... that's why we are less likely to suffer from size effect by eating meat raw compared to a plant... As plants too don't want us to eat them...
@billgeltzeiler59297 ай бұрын
"the world is here as my resource, i am hedonistic." isnt selfish?@@NAME-sl2ms
@rodotoledo20348 ай бұрын
Wow! The way Ed ended the conversation saying the selfishness concerns him was very powerful.
@basbleupeaunoire5 ай бұрын
I thought that was great. A very mature response.
@minV53265 ай бұрын
For real
@JoeyCarbstrong8 ай бұрын
Ed’s on fire in this 🔥
@sark47867 ай бұрын
your entire argument is based completely and utterly upon anthropomorphizing. You have no substance, this is why nobody takes you guys seriously. There is no cogent, coherent argument presented from the vegan side. Ever wonder why nobody takes you guys seriously?Because I said so is not an argument
@_Toffee_Hammer_7 ай бұрын
Similar to your discussion with Tate. Not a great deal you can say to someone who doesn't care, other than express concern.
@bluerainbow117 ай бұрын
@@_Toffee_Hammer_ True, and sometimes I wonder how many of these people, truly don't care or are using it as a defence for their bad habits. I think most of them aren't as psychopathic as they would like us to think.
@wesroberts20327 ай бұрын
@JoeyCarbstrong You guys are heroes! Thanks for all that you do.
@bluerainbow117 ай бұрын
@@wesroberts2032 I second that!
@brennuvargr46388 ай бұрын
"Me, me, me, me, me!" - That's all I heard.
@amor_universal7 ай бұрын
"To feel life is meaningless unless "I" can be permanent is like having desperately fallen in love with an inch." - Alan Watts
@lorenckotini7 ай бұрын
you are a fake moralist
@chlorophyllphile7 ай бұрын
I could do the moral thing and not cause harm to others. But whats in it for me? -this guy, seemingly
@lorenckotini7 ай бұрын
animals are not equal to humans@@chlorophyllphile
@Kimbie5 ай бұрын
Playing Devil's advocate here, judging from this guy's views as he presents them, calling him egotistical/self centered is not really an argument against anything he stands for. He *is* an egoist. It's the foundation of his understanding of morality. This is as if someone argued against a vegan and said "lol you think animals deserve better than to suffer?"
@Fruitycritter6 ай бұрын
I definitely wouldn’t feel safe around that person. His thought process is genuinely terrifying.
@greenmagic83913 ай бұрын
Psychopath was my thought too.
@lordofallthings4042 ай бұрын
if im honest i dont think hes married to a lot of the points he was making. i think a lot of it was a quick shield to stop him from feeling guilt and desire to change right there in the moment, and to avoid appearing to back down on his lifestyle. if someone weren't questioning him in a hotseat, he would likely never say he believed these things.
@vivianriver6450Ай бұрын
200 years ago: "I choose not to extend empathy to enslaved negroes. Why should I choose to make myself miserable for the sake of someone whose suffering is contributing to my hedonistic pleasure. My cotton farm business is exploding and I see no reason to give that up."
@greytuesday289 күн бұрын
The scariest thing for me is the fact that people like him are everywhere, and we run into them all the time. Except that he at least was transparent and didn't pretend to be better than he actually is.
@anthonydude8 ай бұрын
This guy is not only completely devoid of basic compassion, he's also embarrassingly ignorant about animals
@SeeNickView8 ай бұрын
Severely ignorant about biological behaviorism 🙄🙄🙄
@rogersepeda3 ай бұрын
My question is : because someone eats meat does that mean they’re not compassionate? Look at Steve Irwin , you know he had a passion for animals. He risked his life rescuing dangerous animals.
@dohpam1ne8 ай бұрын
Watching these videos really makes you understand why otherwise completely reasonable people in past times accepted things like slavery, sexism, and child marriages.
@91dgross8 ай бұрын
👏👏👏👏
@uncoiledfish25618 ай бұрын
Exactly. If KZbin existed 200 years ago. The footage we would have of people debating subjects like slavery would be bonkers. Footage like this will be looked at in the same way one day in the future.
@christiaandemarezoyens47208 ай бұрын
@@uncoiledfish2561Interesting point, well stated.
@mrSam3ooo8 ай бұрын
Yeah hearing this guy talk is a sad revelation of how humans can justify horrible deeds without batting an eyelid. That's why good laws are important I guess
@Woodworm20-iy7cq8 ай бұрын
There are over 4m slaves in Europe in 2024.....many of whom work in plant based agriculture. As for sexism and child marriages, they are as rife today as they ever were.
@MagnoliaBeats8 ай бұрын
“The 80-100 years I have left” - lol, just lol.
@lilith77065 ай бұрын
And Ed's comment on this - '80 to 100 is fairly optimistic knowing you eat meat.' 😂
@HA-nj1qt5 ай бұрын
@@lilith7706”Our statistical analysis results indicate that countries with the greater meat intake have greater life expectancy and lower child mortality”. “A study of more than 218,000 adults from over 50 countries around the world suggests that consuming unprocessed meat regularly can reduce the risk of early death and can increase human longevity.” www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8881926/ Mhm.
@beakalin39238 ай бұрын
I can't listen to this narcissistic and pseudo-intelligent talk anymore. Unfortunately, this guy is not an isolated case. Thank you Ed for your patience.💚🌱
@ck74038 ай бұрын
"I mean 80 to 100 years might be optimistic if you continue to consume animal products!" nailed it! Chapeau Ed!
@mrkiky7 ай бұрын
Life expectancy is over 80 years in most places around the world and most people consume tons of animal products and processed crap, so it's not optimistic, it's quite realistic.
@FISHD0G7477 ай бұрын
The kid said 80-100 years he has left. Implying he will live to 100-120. Possible, but unlikely as a baseline, and even moreso due to all the potential cancers and other risks associated with eating meat
@kiwi8.7 ай бұрын
@@FISHD0G747no risk with eating fresh clean meat at all
@elizabethteixeira20896 ай бұрын
I mean an extra 80-100 years even as a vegan isn't something I'd be so confident about.
@mrkiky6 ай бұрын
@@FISHD0G747 It's not like vegans are well known to have lifespans between 100-120 either. Lots of them are sickly af.
@pegbuckner50748 ай бұрын
Over two years ago I went vegan overnight after hearing you Ed, say, “Is your taste pleasure greater than an animal’s life?” Thank you!! 🙏🏻 Best thing I’ve ever done! Not a hypocrite anymore! 💥
@ellensirca99157 ай бұрын
Me too!! ❤️ If I don’t need to consume animals and their byproducts, there is no ethical reason for me to do so
@jimx456 ай бұрын
Is being a hypocrite the worst thing that can happen to you?
@ellensirca99156 ай бұрын
@@jimx45 Worst, no. But is it high up on my list? Depends for each person on how much they value their own integrity
@jimx456 ай бұрын
@@ellensirca9915 You'll be surprised at how many things you are a hypocrite of without knowing. Then that brings up the question, isn't lack of awareness worst than being a hypocrite? Then there's the question, you might not have cared because you never did that in itself is why you didn't act even though you are aware. Then there's the question you WERE aware of these things, but you refuse to care because they had nothing to do with you or they challenge your life of comfort that you didn't want to abandon. Then you're at the behest of are you only acting up to what makes you comfortable and has nothing to do with the care of others? So your inability to sacrifice your comforts is now the worst sin you have committed.
@ellensirca99156 ай бұрын
@@jimx45 That was a little confusing but I think we can’t judge ourselves on what we don’t know. I personally strive to educate myself on different topics & not turn a blind eye to the suffering of others. We’re human after all, we’ll make mistakes and we aren’t ‘all-knowing’, but we can choose to listen to our heart & act on what we think is the right thing to do. Now, if we know but we think our comfort is more important than small sacrifices that can save or help others, it reflects which values are most important to us, or maybe other deeper underlying issues. Personally, I strive to live by the value of living authentically with a boundary that ends at if another will be physically harmed in the process. ‘Sin’ is an interesting word, it kind of implies being judged by a higher power & doing the upmost wrong. We all have different thoughts on what’s very bad & whats acceptable behavior. I, along with other vegans (I believe) think that if we can’t watch it, can’t do it, & wouldn’t want it done to us, then at the very least we should not fund it.
@whyYUbee8 ай бұрын
Dude forgets we are only a spec of a dust in a vast Universe.... we are nothing. To think about how as humans we are above anything or anyone is an ego talk. The highest form of human existence is empathy and kindness, period.
@rutmor86578 ай бұрын
great words. I will remember them.
@sauropodedino77638 ай бұрын
Absolutely ❤
@yogitabaviskar89008 ай бұрын
I completely agree with what you've said. While people such as you and I recognize this, not many others do. It also really stems, for still a larger majority, how they've been treated as a child. Not many people recognize this but our childhood is the biggest indicator of what and who we grow up to be. Ofcourse, it not for ALL, but still for many.
@Patrick-d1j8f8 ай бұрын
Tottally Disagree As Sentient Awareness, Beauty is in the "I" of the beholder . And the material size of the universe is totally irrelevant to the "Observer" of the material size There is no "thought" greater than the Thinker of all thoughts. I agree with the empathy though
@David-kx7tz8 ай бұрын
The growth of consciousness is always towards higher magnitudes of selflessness. The mostly highly conscious people are the most selfless.
@ff-pw8yw8 ай бұрын
"i wouldnt kill a dog because it could make people upset" this guy sounds like dexter
@IamSoEasy478 ай бұрын
From the way he explained how he feels empathy he does sound like a legitimate sociopath
@andrewlowndes17908 ай бұрын
@@IamSoEasy47 By his argument, would that mean he was socialized to be a sociopath? I think Ed tried to point out this contradiction and his response was that most people are as selfish as him but they're also virtue signaling liars whereas he's honest. Yikes. I know these debates can go in a million different directions, but I wish Ed had pushed back against the anthropocentric views underpinning his supremacist ideology. He said "humans are above any other life form on this planet" and I don't see how reasons he gave for that supremacist view would justify the subjugation of non-human animals.
@starrygutter8 ай бұрын
Worse than Dexter honestly
@ReluctantWarrior8 ай бұрын
Even Hannibal Lecter has more emotion than this guy.
@bluenorth39658 ай бұрын
@@andrewlowndes1790 On the anthropocentrism, I totally agree. Anthropocentrism, this idea that because we're more "sapient" or more sentient than other organisms, we're inherently superior is nothing but utter bullshit. For example, without microplancton, there would be no oxygen, and therefore no life on this planet. Or if bees or ants disappeared, if they got extinct, it'd be over for us. On the other hand, if humanity was wiped, in its current state, at least, all other life forms on Earth would thrive. This human superiority argument really annoys me.
@julietterepole14498 ай бұрын
His whole argument = "I don't care"
@sparky98398 ай бұрын
I’m so sick of the selfishness of humans.
@somerandomguy___8 ай бұрын
Most of us fortunately aren't intrinsically selfish but believing that we are making us more selfish.
@Frazsier-lx1gr8 ай бұрын
Me, too.
@bluerainbow118 ай бұрын
@@Frazsier-lx1gr Me three!
@bluerainbow118 ай бұрын
@@somerandomguy___ Hmm... good point. I feel like it just goes against my nature to be cruel to animals and/or pay for animal cruelty and I think most people fall into that category. I thought animals and animal products tasted delicious, but I cannot justify it and it impacts me negatively mental health-wise to know that I willingly paid for animal harm just for my own tastes. I do like a lot of vegan food too though anyway!
@rondarkman.8 ай бұрын
Cope vegan it's our world❤❤
@OfTheUSSEnterprise8 ай бұрын
This dude is in love with his own idea of how smart he is. He doesn’t realize he actually makes a mockery of critical thinking.
@OldGreyMulletTest8 ай бұрын
Yeah, he's a cretin!
@ffgggkok8 ай бұрын
He is actually thinking tho, and to be fair some of the stuff Ed says didn't make much sense.
@opensocietyenjoyer8 ай бұрын
take a long look in the mirror
@biffeeen7 ай бұрын
What did Ed say that didn't make sense? Interested to see what i missed
@docmemphis27607 ай бұрын
Are you talking about Ed, because the other dude actually did well objectively
@ponteacampata7 ай бұрын
No injustice should be analyzed from the point of the view of the abuser
@Melody514338 ай бұрын
As someone who went to Brown, these "devil's advocate" type people are everywhere in my classes. So sad to see this lack of empathy among the students.
@markwilson24218 ай бұрын
Empathy is subjective so stop grandstanding
@alexs.58718 ай бұрын
@@markwilson2421it really isn't lol
@ginafera81328 ай бұрын
I think Brown U has a greater percentage of entitled students than most places in RI.
@dominionthemovieisreality11818 ай бұрын
@@ginafera8132All colleges nowadays are breeding grounds of narcissism and indoctrination.
@0urMutualFriend8 ай бұрын
Morally bankrupt
@alibabaschultz3528 ай бұрын
Who are you, Jesus?
@alibabaschultz3528 ай бұрын
Morality is a human construct. And as such, it is not infinitely malleable.
@Johnnyfountaineyes8 ай бұрын
@@alibabaschultz352oh the cowardly troll at it again, do you have nothing better to do??
@hilary.teanti8 ай бұрын
@@alibabaschultz352 - Who are you ?!
@uncoiledfish25618 ай бұрын
Videos like this are great though. This is essentially the average persons logic out loud. Most people hearing this wouldn't be happy about it. Useful conversation. A little messed up too.
@Jorge-vo9ii7 ай бұрын
Ed you literally sound like a philosophy phd who is also good at orating. You took his arguments apart so methodically and beautifully. We are lucky to have you on our side!
@killerbeuk3 күн бұрын
Still the human gut evolved to process animal based food with some plants. Being a good debater chosing a weird opponent doesnt change biology. In 5 years most vegans are either quiting or vey ill and or dying. I do not care. Have your superior moral but leave me alone.
@AvengerNk8 ай бұрын
All the mental gymnastics just because the baby doesn't want to eat his vegetables.
@Ganpignanus8 ай бұрын
imagine what his gut is like
@markwilson24218 ай бұрын
He eats his veggies and meat he gets the best of both
@SaosinComeClose8 ай бұрын
@@markwilson2421Yet he looks more skinny and pasty than Ed.
@AaronVets8 ай бұрын
@@markwilson2421🤡
@julianospald61338 ай бұрын
What a load of BS. Vegans apply the same justification: plants are not sentient... or not sentient enough. So it's fine to eat them. Although there's enough evidence that suggests that plants have stress responses and we barely understand how plants communicate in forests via the mycelium and mycorrhizal networks and even transfer nutrients to each other.
@thehappyfunghi73288 ай бұрын
This video is an infuriating showcase of sheer narcissism and unchecked privilege. It's a stark, unsettling reflection of the worst facets of human behavior, making it an incredibly tough and frustrating watch. Unreal.
@lunchymunchy29848 ай бұрын
Yup this guy sucks
@Patryyyyck8 ай бұрын
the privilige of being human yes, enjoy it while there are no more dangerous predators its nature baby
@Yortman118 ай бұрын
I would have have not been able to keep my cool talking to this guy. I could barely stand watching through youtube.
@Ganpignanus8 ай бұрын
hes vile what a waste of space he is
@bodilyflui9868 ай бұрын
It's an issue of nihilism and it's a plague however it manifests
@kearress73507 ай бұрын
You know who also put their pleasure above suffering? Rapists and serial killers...
@lolzerd37457 ай бұрын
I mean you can put your own pleasure and convenience above that of animals without condoning rapists and serial killers
@TheYellowBlueWhite20 күн бұрын
One more "he is Hitler" argument ffs...
@DebugYourBrain8 ай бұрын
I've done plenty of outreach where people said stuff like this but I never really felt like they meant it. This guy though... this is one of the coldest and most sociopathic outreach conversations I've ever seen.
@eIIemenopee8 ай бұрын
I love your videos! Getting your insight and advice on talking with sociaopathic people like this would be really great
@indef2def8 ай бұрын
These are the catechisms of a Randian "Objectivist". I don't believe for a moment that what we're seeing is who this kid really is. Rand makes young people feel like they can resolve all of their deep issues by pretending to believe in her rhetorically heavy, logically weak philosophy. As opposed to a scared kid in a Randian phase, an actual sociopath doesn't proclaim their selfishness, but usually learns early on to fake whatever views will get them what they want.
@dekyor95478 ай бұрын
He is definitely aware of himself. No make up like a lot of people do
@collectionofatoms18768 ай бұрын
@@dekyor9547 I suspect he his a high-functioning sociopath.
@uncoiledfish25618 ай бұрын
I don't think he means it. I think people like this are essentially more logical than most. There's a battle in his mind and this side won him over in order to justify what he does. I think he'll change. I remember my brain cracking the logic. I was so pissed off 😅. I knew I had to do it and went fully vegan instantly 5 years ago. It's just the way my brain works. A lot of people think like he does, but never connect the dots.
@GrantH26068 ай бұрын
"Put a two year old child in a crib with a bunny rabbit and an apple and let me know when the child eats the bunny rabbit and plays with the apple". ~ Gary Yourofosky
@ACT1ON_JACKSON8 ай бұрын
Do the same experiment with a steak and a piece of broccoli and see which one he eats first 😂
@fzfxfcf8 ай бұрын
@@ACT1ON_JACKSON you dind't get it. This experiment proves it doesn't come from our instincts to see animals as food, to want to kill them with our teeth and eat them raw like actually real omnivores do
@alexkehoepwj8 ай бұрын
@ACT1ON_JACKSON It would probably have similar results to human meat and broccoli.
@natesilvers21668 ай бұрын
@@ACT1ON_JACKSONthey would eat neither, humans are frugivores
@rondarkman.8 ай бұрын
@@natesilvers2166 Bahahahah
@professorsilva93888 ай бұрын
There is vast literature on this: not caring about animals' lives and attempting to rationalize cruelty is a symptom of psychological/personality issues. There is "the link" between people who advocate animal suffering and other harmful behaviors and beliefs. The defence of cruelty against animals and humans come from the same place. This is scientific. There seems to be little doubt this is the case here, he himself recognized he does have personality issues. Ed does a brilliant job as an educator, but there is little he could do here. This is really the case for a mental health professional.
@cakecrumb0956 ай бұрын
This guy actually looks like a psychopath, so you’re probably right.
@TheYellowBlueWhite20 күн бұрын
Goddamn, the whole comment section is basically gaslighting the guy and putting labels on him for "i don't care" position. I get that you folks really want to distance yourself from that guy and elevate your position, but stuff that you are writing is so entitled
@The8BitPianist8 ай бұрын
The thing I find very weird about the hedonism argument that wasn't discussed here is: Why does he assume he can't have a lot of enjoyment on a vegan diet? Has he ever tried? I personally indulge in and enjoy my food greatly, without needing to maximize suffering.
@evanlouis88538 ай бұрын
Yes...and to take that a bit further, one can find a more pure pleasure in having compassion. Pleasure is pleasure, and if you decide your mindset is focused on helping rather than hurting, it suddenly becomes guilt free pleasure on all levels. Simply by deciding to walk down the other side of the street. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
@allandm7 ай бұрын
Vegan burgers don't taste exactly the same, but they are freaking good. Like the burger king vegan burger is amazing, what
@iammnyxx7 ай бұрын
@@allandm tbh for some people like myself it’s awesome they don’t taste exactly the same. Before going vegan, I always tried to mask the taste with as many herbs as possible. Now anything that tastes too much like animal flesh it’s absolutely repulsive to me.
@jiaogulan7 ай бұрын
Very true. I love my spicy delicious meals. Getting hungry just thinking about it.
@olalexax7 ай бұрын
Exactly. I stopped eating processed foods for health reasons a while ago and I still get so much enjoyment out of my meals. Plant foods are delicious and there are so many ways to prepare them, I never get tired of eating this way or feel like I'm missing out on something. Even a quick Google search will show you so many plant-based meals to try.
@rijntje738 ай бұрын
It's proven every time: intelligence doesn't equate to wisdom.
@ellensirca99157 ай бұрын
That part!!!! 👏🏼
@Brandon-os3qr8 ай бұрын
So impressive how Ed responded when he said animals arent sentient. Instead of just "...of course they are," he literally referred back to how the dude already referred to their sentience
@Lorenzo_That_Vegan_Dad8 ай бұрын
Well, he definitely earned those labels. At least he knows it. Excusegist expert. Real sociopath material, here.
@bluenorth39658 ай бұрын
He already is a sociopath.
@edgardoMurnia8 ай бұрын
cool down misanthrope
@bluenorth39658 ай бұрын
@@edgardoMurnia So if we don't want to murder animals that means we hate humans? Okay.
@Remirlis8 ай бұрын
@@edgardoMurnia idk he actually sounded like he wanted to kick the dog XD
@edgardoMurnia8 ай бұрын
Im pretty sure he wanted to show strenght and win the discussion/debate, which he was never going to do because h'es dumb among other things@@Remirlis
@xperience-evolution8 ай бұрын
"Really, I have kind of decided that I am not interested in extending sympathy or empathy towards this Guy"
@markwilson24218 ай бұрын
I am sure he will sleep just fine
@xperience-evolution8 ай бұрын
Are you his roommate?@@markwilson2421
@RTS2847 ай бұрын
To any other vegans watching this with despair: take heart! I know at least one passionate vegan activist who, before going vegan, thought and felt similarly to this guy.
@TigerwomanXsweden8 ай бұрын
I love how the noisy thing drove past as he talked about how he owns the world - universe was telling him to shut up
@vibrationoftheone8 ай бұрын
Or to ponder a little bit more 😅🤗🤭
@claudiamayor72398 ай бұрын
Oh my Godddddd I had the same thought as welllll hahahaha like "oh we are the masters here" -annoying noise in the background-. Yes, we're the best at causing chaos, congrats!
@Whymee248 ай бұрын
I don’t know how you stay so calm, Ed. Your patience is unbelievable.
@joshwong8008 ай бұрын
Ed lied, no way was it a pleasure talking to such a person.
@cazzawazzadingdong51395 ай бұрын
🤣🤣
@spencerprice16768 ай бұрын
Why do all of these meat eaters ALWAYS end up saying, "At the end of the day..."
@bugsthompson8 ай бұрын
It optimises apathy, doesnt it
@dawn85428 ай бұрын
It's like, it is what it is. It's a way of speaking without saying anything.
@violentvegan6668 ай бұрын
Exactly. Every time. Simply put: the realization of losing/failure hurts, and that’s how they try to redeem themselves… at the end of the day… 🤦🏻♂️
@pacmanmcgavin70348 ай бұрын
Apathy...very good, Bugsy.@@bugsthompson
@miasmanic43967 ай бұрын
thought terminating cliches
@jjradV8 ай бұрын
The saddest thing is that kind innocent defenceless sentient beings are abused and murdered for this person so after consuming their corpses he can flush their remains down his toilet. In short a very frightening individual.
@Magar68 ай бұрын
Thankfully his dating pool has massively reduced due to this video. Ugly on the outside and (fare more importantly) on the inside.
@lostboy80848 ай бұрын
The sad thing that those innocent defenseless plants can be killed 😢 just to end as your 💩.
@jjradV8 ай бұрын
@@lostboy8084 if you really feel sad for plants, stop eating animals, 70% of crops are grown to feed the animals not humans. Plants don't feel pain, they don't have a central nervous system or brain ,they respond to stimuli.
@gaddummit8 ай бұрын
@@lostboy8084 being vegan reduces plant suffering too because youre not eating animals that are being fed plants
@mrkiky7 ай бұрын
Yes, the saddest thing is the way nature works. It's pure cruelty. A poor defenseless antilope is run down and ripped to shreds by a big cat so after consuming its corpse it just shits its remains in the grass. I agree, nature sucks. Our entire species agrees on that part and for our entire intelligent existence we've been trying to overcome nature and we did succeed in some aspects, but not in this one. Not yet. Veganism is not a scalable solution. It's only somewhat viable for a small portion of financially ok individuals, and even they end up hurting a lot of other beings through their existence.
@rudolphteperberry38888 ай бұрын
Also people calling him a narcissist or a sociopath must remember that they are mental conditions over which people have no control. Using the terms as an insult serves only to make you feel better (or probably more likely get you more worked up!). Like all of us he is a product of a lifetime (and previous generations) of nature and nurture that have led him to his current stance. I think most (but not all) people could be convinced to be vegan some day but what it takes to trigger that decision is vastly different in different people. Throwing insults around will in most cases just make the problem worse.
@TheYellowBlueWhite20 күн бұрын
This is so true, at the same time vegans themselves probably face a similar treatment from aggressive non-vegans. So the whole dispute turns into a plain tribalism, with meat-eaters being literal Hitlers and worst disdainful maniacs and vegans being woke brainwashed latent suicides. And thus the circle of mutual hate continues...
@melrose45808 ай бұрын
I've seen enough of these to know that when someone uses the phrase "at the end of the day" they're about to say something crazy to uphold the status quo on eating animals
@ellensirca99157 ай бұрын
Hahaha
@skirato8 ай бұрын
I found that the most difficult debates I have are with people who basically say "I know it's wrong but I don't care". How do you argue against that? Ed always has amazing arguments but I feel he also struggled with this one.
@sylphyy8 ай бұрын
There isn't an argument against it really. Compassion will not sway them so it'd come down to matters like feasibility and ease of access - but in reality, it is still much more convenient to not be vegan, and people thrive off instant gratification. People like this are not going to change without ample social pressure.
@someonesomething8 ай бұрын
you cant really argue against that. Like joey does, you have to find contradiction by asking how much they wouldn't care so you can find if they are lying or not and if they are not lying like this person you cant do anything about it.
@Patrick-yc3tf8 ай бұрын
There's nothing else to argue with that kind of people. My gripe is to bring that up right away instead of coming up with a bunch of excuses and then ending up with "I don't care."
@monemori8 ай бұрын
Find contradictions. Most people who say they don't care do have a reaction to the mention of bestiality, so that's where you can start working from, for example.
@robsengahay56148 ай бұрын
I would ask whether he believes women should have equal pay to men for the same job and whether they should be entitled to the vote and equivalent rights to a man. I suspect he would say yes of course. Then I would ask whether if he had been born 100 years earlier would he not have held the opposite view given that, as a man then, he would actually incur a net benefit from the status quo. Given though that he had already accepted at the outset that he recognised he was on the wrong side of history on the issue of veganism then it is a moot point to some extent. I assume he wouldn’t advocate or support taking away the rights women have gained in the last 100 years so he would simply acquiesce with the societal norm at any given time. He is evidently an intelligent guy but simply following the crowd is a distinctly unintelligent position. I wonder what his thoughts on that are.
@WisePsychology8 ай бұрын
This is one of Ed's best debates. I've always admired his debating ability, but in the video he really demonstrates why he is the goat. He picks up on every inconsistency in this guy's argument and brings them back 15 minutes later when he makes a contradiction. Identified and acted on every hole in this guy's argument. I also love how he got him to admit he is selfish and narcissistic 😂
@safirerussell4968 ай бұрын
“80-100 years might be optimistic if you continue to consume animal products“😮💨😮💨😮💨
@virusdella8 ай бұрын
I laughed my ass when the guy said he has 80-100 years ahead😂
@NathanBlackberry8 ай бұрын
😂😂😂
@heidichadwick88508 ай бұрын
haha that made me laugh for real
@kubey888 ай бұрын
I love when Ed throws in some cheeky shade like that
@TheAnePink8 ай бұрын
I thought just the same 😂😂😂
@Prawny8 ай бұрын
The "I only contribute a tiny amount on a global scale" and "all vegan foods are disgusting" arguments are among those that frustrate me the most. People like this just have their fingers in their ears shouting "la la la I can't hear you!" and think it will solve everything.
@Nerf_Feitz8 ай бұрын
No, he knows it, he just doesn’t care, which is even worse
@someguy21358 ай бұрын
I wonder what this meat eater would think about the Philosopher Immanuel Kant's Categorical Imperative- "Act according to the maxim that you would wish all other rational people to follow, as if it were a universal law."-CUNY To act in any other way is to act immorally.
@sciencelad82868 ай бұрын
Well, he could hear more if he removed his head from his stinky tunnel.
@yungmentalproblems8 ай бұрын
You try working construction site every day and not eat meat
@Agatambffhjgffvc8 ай бұрын
@@yungmentalproblems I work in a warehouse 5/7 days and I lift a few tonnes daily combined. I've been vegan for 10 years and feel fantastic. I'm sorry but your argument is wrong
@derv1sh1358 ай бұрын
The only correct claim by a meat eater who has a reasonable choice and chooses to eat meat is, “I know it’s wrong, I choose to do it anyways, it’s bad for humans, animals and the environment, but I’m selfish and ignorant.” Most people can’t get to that realization before turning away, thank you Ed.
@basbleupeaunoire6 ай бұрын
Yep, that's exactly what he did.
@HA-nj1qt5 ай бұрын
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8881926/
@ryanmeagher61434 ай бұрын
Vegans don’t give a shit about the farmers who make their food
@siimao8 ай бұрын
your videos are my favorite since i turned vegan in may 😁!
@blumenfeld218 ай бұрын
heyy I also turned vegan in may 🌱🫶🏻
@geo_neo98 ай бұрын
Good for you guys. To stop wrinkles ie aging consume amla powder ad its the most packed fruit with vitamin C. A lady who's 81 looks 40 because of her raw food diet since she was 40.
@siimao8 ай бұрын
@@blumenfeld21 oh so cool haha😁!! congrats
@davidberger84208 ай бұрын
too sweet 🤘
@wix68938 ай бұрын
aye congrats
@shaunmwoolley8 ай бұрын
I’m tired of sharing the planet with people that know they are doing something wrong but yet make excuses to continue to do so.
@ACT1ON_JACKSON8 ай бұрын
Eating meat isn't wrong. It's the proper human diet. Cope harder.
@shaunmwoolley8 ай бұрын
@@ACT1ON_JACKSON yet the “proper human diet” requires animals to be cut up into small pieces by other people in order for the majority of the population to consume them. Few people can stomach the images of animals being slaughtered and even fewer people can do the killing and slaughtering themselves. Looking at this from first principles… I’d say killing and eating animals is NOT the proper human diet or the majority of people would not mind doing what it takes on their own.
@Eldritch-18 ай бұрын
Good luck with that..
@shaunmwoolley8 ай бұрын
@@ACT1ON_JACKSONvast majority of people… disgusted 🤢 by seeing animals slaughtered… even more people can’t even kill and process the animals themselves 🤮. Approaching this first principles and fundamental truths… do you truly believe eating animals is the proper human diet?
@sgsrider008 ай бұрын
@@ACT1ON_JACKSONdo only prepubescent simpletons use the word cope? Or do other types of fools use it as well?
@authoritybias96788 ай бұрын
Lmaooo great start,, "hi Ed nice to meet you, I'd like to start this debate by saying I already know I'm wrong. let's begin." LOL 😂
@_andreleo_8 ай бұрын
This guy must be fun at parties. In all seriousness, he is genuinely terrifying.
@rondarkman.8 ай бұрын
Cope vegan 😂😂
@_Bush_Bush_8 ай бұрын
@@rondarkman. spam commenting on videos. You have to have friends and family that you can spend time with. Spending your time trying to argue with strangers online can't be the highlight of your day, I pray that you step outside, get a partner and are happy one day
@rondarkman.8 ай бұрын
@bushbush7484 A lot of assumptions there bud lol 😆 😂 try again
@keithmutamba13958 ай бұрын
@@_Bush_Bush_you need to touch grass then eat it, this guy had a long conversation with a vegan that was not necessary, also he just eats meat. And he’s honest, just like you vegans are.
@AB-ft7ng8 ай бұрын
@@rondarkman."Cope vegan" says the projecting meat eater who's made 100+ comments on this channel alone
@thebowandbullet8 ай бұрын
Anyone who says that plant-based burgers taste like crap likely never tried more than 1 (if that). There's an unlimited number of recipes in addition to pre-made patties and, unless someone just hates burgers, everyone can find some they'd love. Also, you don't need to eat burgers, vegan or otherwise, so it's not a deal-breaker to do the right thing.
@natasha63418 ай бұрын
It annoys me when people say that! Also when they say I hate vegan cheese but have only tried 1 type... you wouldn't eat a bag of monster munch and say you hate all crisps lol
@robsengahay56148 ай бұрын
Ironically I actually get a lot more sensory pleasure from my favourite plant based burgers than I ever did from animal based ones. If I was able to convey this to my former self though I suspect that my former self may have taken some convincing. Most meat based burgers are terrible but even the expensive higher quality ones still have so much grease and fatty residue which stay on in the lining of your mouth long after any taste pleasure has gone.
@Frazsier-lx1gr8 ай бұрын
True. I haven't had a vegan burger patty I didn't like. And I've had quite a variety of them. 😀
@thebowandbullet8 ай бұрын
@@robsengahay5614Same. Don't forget the ground up cartilage and gristle, and the reason they need to be cooked so well (and all the recalls!). 🤢 Ethics aside, I also find veggie burgers tastier in every way.
@thebowandbullet8 ай бұрын
@@natasha6341 💯 Vegan cheeses come in all kinds of flavours and textures, just like cow and goat breast milk ones, and I never liked all of those either. There's something for everyone, they just need to try different kinds.
@thenurieta19998 ай бұрын
He probably left the interview thinking he’d been very coherent and logical, and giving himself a pat on the back.
@JesusGonzalez-jn6xb2 ай бұрын
He was, stupid.
@magicolmos8 ай бұрын
Also just from that first clip alone the guy seems like a sociopath
@Shroedinger738 ай бұрын
Definitely…the kind of person that will never do anything to benefit another or humanity on general…he would watch an old lady get bear to death without lifting a finger or calling the police…waste of space
@-cc9ye8 ай бұрын
Doesn't get much better watching the rest of it.
@monemori8 ай бұрын
He's just extremely emotionally dishonest and pretending that makes him stand over any criticism lol. I don't think he's sociopathic, just incredibly cynical.
@sushmitbanerjee16608 ай бұрын
@@Shroedinger73 And what would you do in that situation instead? Risk your life to save a stranger?
@theot70458 ай бұрын
"...without lifting a finger or CALLING THE POLICE..."@@sushmitbanerjee1660
@xoutofstep8 ай бұрын
lmao at the intellectualism of psychopathy
@mareezy8 ай бұрын
😂well said. The guy looks like a psychopath. At least in this case, you can judge a book by its cover😊
@theophany49357 ай бұрын
I honestly don't know how I'd be able to engage in a conversation with someone who is so openly villainous in their way of thinking.
@mareezy8 ай бұрын
3:33 Ed being a straight SAVAGE ❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉 I love it
@Human_Herbivore8 ай бұрын
The level of human self importance to justify being so casual about death is very worrying.
@pacmanmcgavin70348 ай бұрын
Why is it worrying?
@Human_Herbivore8 ай бұрын
@@pacmanmcgavin7034 because humans are the worst most destructive species on the planet. Attitudes like his are what makes human supremacy and white supremacy so alike. He has been utterly brainwashed into the idea that animals are here for our breeding, exploitation and killing and that they have no value other than what we want them for. History has shown us that people who show themselves to be so at ease with violence toward non-humans will often not stop there.
@Nickiminajcooch8 ай бұрын
@@pacmanmcgavin7034makes death like a small thing
@LisaCooper-thevegan-1238 ай бұрын
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you! Simple Golden rule that also includes our animal friends. Thank you Ed 😊🙏👏✌️♥️♥️♥️
@animalsareherewithusnotforus8 ай бұрын
i became vegan because i was sick of being an entitled, brain-washed hypocrite.🌱
@Kalvis18 ай бұрын
❤❤❤
@rondarkman.8 ай бұрын
Bravo hero 😂😂😂
@animalsareherewithusnotforus8 ай бұрын
@@rondarkman. you will be here until the end of your days. 😆i feel kind of bad for you.
@rondarkman.8 ай бұрын
@animalsareherewithusnotforus Nah I'm good true though, why wouldn't i vegans provide the greatest source of comedy
@martingarreis8 ай бұрын
Your comments support this channel. You comment a lot ❤@@rondarkman.
@davidaldred27837 ай бұрын
That was a stimulating argument. Blimey, you need some stamina to do what you do, Ed. Keep on doing what you do!
@isislee9198 ай бұрын
this is such a red flag. if he openly demonstrates this much of a lack of empathy for animals, I highly doubt he actually feels empathy towards humans.
@isislee9198 ай бұрын
bro literally said that he doesn't care if someone rapes an animal as long as he doesn't need to see it
@efil16077 ай бұрын
empathy isnt inherently good. a lot of the evil in the world is perpetuated by empathy
@LuZu_7 ай бұрын
what… of course we hold more empathy towards human than animals. you’re not sociopathic for feelimg that way. this is where the socialisation aspect comes in to play.
@LuZu_7 ай бұрын
14:45 represents this clearly.
@isislee9197 ай бұрын
@@LuZu_ do you also not care if animals get raped?
@msmith42538 ай бұрын
presuming he actually believes this nonsense and isn't just trying to justify he's unwillingness to go vegan, he is missing out on a lot of what it means to be human.
@martingarreis8 ай бұрын
Tate Logic.
@ddjura8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@veganfortheanimals69948 ай бұрын
Mr. Selfish is an excuse machine, and has sociopathic tendencies...
@pacmanmcgavin70348 ай бұрын
As do you.
@martingarreis8 ай бұрын
@@pacmanmcgavin7034is that an argument?
@markwilson24218 ай бұрын
He has a different moral compass to you. You are no better than anyone else
@pacmanmcgavin70348 ай бұрын
I am better than the vegan cult.@@markwilson2421
@pacmanmcgavin70348 ай бұрын
Yes, I am better than the vegans.@@martingarreis
@josevigil42338 ай бұрын
The thing he did the most was to evade. Each time Ed posed a question proving the senselessness of this guy's answers, he would say that somehow it wasn't his responsibility. The cherry on top was how he projected when he said that people want to pretend to be more moral or ethical than they are. That's him, he is the one who believes that there is no real empathy but mere socializing and image-based responses.
@kennysoul84548 ай бұрын
🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
@MrTrevisco8 ай бұрын
He can only be a paid actor, no one who so clearly knows the damage eating animals does would stick so outright to eating them knowing it harms us as well as those animals.
@rorybessell82808 ай бұрын
I think that empathy is a biological product of a social species, however, I don't think that lowers its value
@SeeNickView8 ай бұрын
Yeah, I noticed this too. He wanted to gain the upper hand in the debate and block Ed's advances because maybe this guy had better strategies towards the "win". So disingenuous
@LuZu_7 ай бұрын
surely someone who claims they’re lack of animal harm while engaging in more nuanced consumerism of animal/human harm is more virtue signaling than someone who is able to justify it.
@zoemoskal97008 ай бұрын
Ed, you have the patience of a SAINT!!! I would’ve lost my cool. “Just because it’s wrong doesn’t mean it can’t be worth it”. Wow. You could justify all manner of horrific things with that mentality. “Just because slavery and racism are wrong, doesn’t mean it’s not worth it to have my every need catered for whenever i want”. “Just because beating my wife is wrong, doesn’t mean it’s not worth it cause i enjoy it”. “Just because child abuse is wrong doesn’t mean it’s not worth it”. This dude is seriously disturbing. It’s depressing to think other people like him exist. Because they clearly do. Many of those who make excuses think like this and just don’t want to admit it. Kudos to him for just owning it and admitting I suppose… but him doing that doesn’t make what he’s advocating for ok on any leve. Edit: wow that end part where he justifies raping animals “because it doesn’t affect me”. Wtf?!?! He’s even more sociopathic than I thought. I get the feeling he also feels this about humans actually but he just won’t admit it.
@Chiquitavegana20078 ай бұрын
I think we just met Jeffrey Dahmer’s son. 😳 I hope the FBI is watching this kid.
@rondarkman.8 ай бұрын
Vegans and dahmer 😂😂
@Chiquitavegana20078 ай бұрын
@@rondarkman. “Sociapaths have a conscience, albeit a weak one, and will often justify something they know to be wrong. By contrast, psychopaths will believe that their actions are justified and feel no remorse for any harm done. “ Which one are you?
@_Bush_Bush_8 ай бұрын
@@rondarkman. another meat eater obsessed with vegans. You've even made your way to a video and spent your spare time commenting - worrying
@GrantH26068 ай бұрын
@@rondarkman. A person with a strong moral compass would look for excuses to harm less, not more.
@bluenorth39658 ай бұрын
The FBI is filled with people like this guy :/
@andreaanonymous54748 ай бұрын
This guy is severely empathy impaired.
@juve0nile8 ай бұрын
“I have grown up….“- No, you have not. The school psychologist should have a very serious talk with this….
@alexzink13188 ай бұрын
It’s scary that people like this then go on to have kids and raise them with that mindset
@MsBkene8 ай бұрын
They are the same people who put up "happy animated animal" wallpapers on their kids' room, read them "happy animal children books" and if they happen to visit a farm where the kids get in contact with farm animals, they'll tell them to "be soft with the baby goat"... and then they go home and feast on the corpse and remains of some murdered animal
@olalexax8 ай бұрын
So many people raise their kids to have this mindset and not only apply it to animals but to other humans as well. It's a big part of what keeps speciesism and racism alive. They're taught from Day 1 that they are the kings of the castle.
@genericusername3378 ай бұрын
I'm gonna cling to the belief that no one would wanna marry this psychopath.
@efil16077 ай бұрын
most people that have kids are narcissistic and sociopathic. they're willing to play god by creating someone who will inevitably suffer and die in a world already full of need just to be able to have someone with their genes that they can mold and control. breeding is peak selfishness. psycopathy is cultural. most people are psychopathic in a way that is sanctioned by society
@TheseBlueJeans8 ай бұрын
Imagine being so detached from empathy and reality that you would go on record saying this shit. Like imagine trying to explain this to ur friends when they see it??? Dangerous person tbh
@Dial_J_for_Josh8 ай бұрын
I have to say, this is one of Ed's best debates/conversations, his articulation and on the spot critical thinking skills were sound and coherent.
@NotTodaySatan5578 ай бұрын
I don’t think this interviewee realizes how creepy his arguments are #IncelAttitude 25:32 read him to filth, Ed!! 🤣
@rojosudaka8 ай бұрын
"I decided that I'm not interested in extending sympathy or empathy towards the animals" That's nonsense, one can decide how to act, but empathy isn't conscious, you experience it or not. And regarding the part when he says that he doesn't care about what happen to less intelectual beings, I think it would be a good place to draw the severely handicapped person example.
@SeeNickView8 ай бұрын
Great point. Wonder how he'd deal with eugenics. Very sus
@AnthonyRecenello8 ай бұрын
"Nobody is bothering me about this so it's not a problem for me."
@totezmcgotez448 ай бұрын
I’m actually glad he was just honest because we got to hear a discussion which we usually don’t: “I don’t care, I’m selfish & animals are dumb.” Ed did well at keeping the conversation on what matters & tying it up at the end.
@growwithkersi8 ай бұрын
I just watched a man contradict himself for basically 26 minutes
@fredfutterfummler51068 ай бұрын
...a boy....
@keithevans39188 ай бұрын
25 yikes awarded to that guy.
@gregmckenzie43158 ай бұрын
There is a deeper problem here and this young man illustrates it. We covet the illusion of "sapience" primarily because it allows us to see ourselves as "better" or "more evolved" than other creatures. We are not. Our tendency is to believe that we are "better" because it is encoded in most languages, religions, and cultures. And this is precisely why we need deep change in our languages, cultures, and religions. This will not be an easy task. Thank you Ed for taking a stand against the belief in human superiority. Even deeper is the need to challenge the belief in the illusion of individuality itself. There are more cells in our body containing no human DNA at all than cells with our DNA. We are actually a multitude. Overcoming our illusion of "superiority" will be essential to bring our species into balance with the rest of the natural world. We are all in this together. Good work Ed!
@mussersbowsboatsandscience66108 ай бұрын
You are absolutely correct, we are just another animal. As you know Chimpanzees eat meat too.
@funkymunky8 ай бұрын
Balance is an illusion as deep as the ones you outline.
@gregmckenzie43158 ай бұрын
Thank you@@funkymunky. Our language is, primarily, a metaphorical one and most of what we see is an illusion. So you''re right. But most people see evolution as a battle for "dominance" (whatever that means). In fact all of us are a part of an entire global community. I see all evolution as a form of "co-evolution" in which evolution is moving towards balance. That is the only way, I think, that evolution could work. It makes no sense to think of different life forms struggling for survival against other species. It seems more sensible to think of evolution as moving towards balance.
@SuperJJParker8 ай бұрын
If like you say we are not better than the animals we eat, then why should we not eat them? Lots of animals eat other animals so we should do the same.
@mussersbowsboatsandscience66108 ай бұрын
@@SuperJJParker agreed
@monemori8 ай бұрын
7:25 that's the exact moment when "I don't care about any animal suffering or death at all" became "Well it's okay if it's done humanely". Amazing job at getting him out of his emotionally dishonest position! In my experience, it's a bit uncomfortable for some people, but the comparisons with bestiality help a lot in taking people out of their dishonest egos.
@RighteousnessWillPrevail8 ай бұрын
You mean rape beastiality.
@mazi26468 ай бұрын
He pretends to be intelligent but his arguments are those of a caveman.
@Geezertron8 ай бұрын
I would not leave this man alone with my dog
@LisaCooper-thevegan-1238 ай бұрын
Or my cat 🐈! 👍
@MLacryma7 ай бұрын
I would not leave any living being with him !
@stookful7 ай бұрын
Or a 🐑 sheep, if you see what I mean 😉
@LisaCooper-thevegan-1237 ай бұрын
Yes 😆
@NoInjusticeLastsForever8 ай бұрын
This guy seems to have just stocked up on a big order of Meatflake Copium Supply.
@pacmanmcgavin70348 ай бұрын
You still a cultist? Jesus, dude.
@AaronVets8 ай бұрын
@@pacmanmcgavin7034🤡
@FreeDharmasangha8 ай бұрын
😂😂
@sgsrider008 ай бұрын
@@pacmanmcgavin7034there you are 🤡
@greenmagic83913 ай бұрын
This video will one day be used against this guy in his criminal trial.
@JuliaNineteenEighty-Four8 ай бұрын
I watched pretty much all of Ed's debates throughout these years, and only recently I realised something. The amount of people who candidly admitted being "selfish", "uncompassionate" or who wouldn't mind murdering another person or eating human flesh because it'd make them feel good is quite alarming. Now, we have to establish if that's what they feel or if they say it to prove Ed - and veganism - wrong. If this is not the case and they're genuine, perhaps we should start watching our back; when someone invites us for dinner, we might be the dinner.
@PACKTdotSPACE8 ай бұрын
If I'm going to be the dinner then I guess jokes on them as they'll be eating vegan sausage
@JuliaNineteenEighty-Four8 ай бұрын
@@PACKTdotSPACEhahah true! 😂
@Frazsier-lx1gr8 ай бұрын
"when someone invites us for dinner, we might be the dinner." - like "I'm having an old friend for dinner." 😄
@JuliaNineteenEighty-Four8 ай бұрын
@@Frazsier-lx1gr precisely 😬
@naturelovingguypeoplenotso30398 ай бұрын
I have very little trust in humans. Untrustworthy, greedy, selfish, and destructive.
@geo_neo98 ай бұрын
You can only be above animals via empathy as empathy is the highest of all intelligence. Dominance and force will not make you above animals. This guy is so full of ego and subconscious programmed FEAR.
@evemae68198 ай бұрын
Humans ARE animals (mammals).
@vibrationoftheone8 ай бұрын
But it's also a step on the path. I respect people's experience are their own. But just lead by example. As the good vibes always speaks for itself
@RighteousnessWillPrevail8 ай бұрын
Techically everyone is selfish becsuse it's objectively impossible to escspe your own self interest. Empathy is more in the Realm of illusion because two individuals can go through the same exact experiance and experiance it completely differently and have different feeling about it. But we can use our selfish interests in righteous ways and I do think empathy can exist somehow. =]
@Patrick-d1j8f8 ай бұрын
@@RighteousnessWillPrevail Can you provide the objective evidence that no one can "escape self interest," and that empathy is just an part of the realm of illusion ?
@geo_neo98 ай бұрын
@@RighteousnessWillPrevail self love can reach to becoming the energy of love. I know because this has been my path. Unconditional love energy is our natural state of being. Via our self love our well being is most important so we stay away from negative people. People of ego are selfish self centered. Those of heart consciousness are not and I speak from my own experiences.
@Paulshaggy8 ай бұрын
When you're smart in a wrong way. Dude is probably raised in an egoistic, rich family and never saw shit, also never interacted with animals properly
@Lithiumgurl2108 ай бұрын
Says a lot when someone says they have their true answer and a 'socialized' answer.
@MsBkene8 ай бұрын
I find it interesting - he was asked about his opinion, not "what would be your answer to please others/society" - even if he had a "true answer" and a "socialized but not his true answer", why mentioning the second when clearly asked about the first?
@lacedhexes8 ай бұрын
It's very odd. He shows tendency of mimicking behaviour. Which psychopaths do.
@HA-nj1qt5 ай бұрын
It really doesn’t. Most people have socially acceptable and non-socially acceptable answers and opinions.
@MsBkene5 ай бұрын
@@HA-nj1qt Who do you speak for? What facts do you base this statement on?
@HA-nj1qt5 ай бұрын
@@MsBkene because when you’re publicly asked a question of course you’re going to give an answer that you deem to be more socially accepted… that’s just common sense.
@chriswilliams28658 ай бұрын
Ed,you have the patience of a saint 🙈 keep up the brilliant work . Thank you .
@EvanBoyar7 ай бұрын
I was just like him 8 years ago, making similar arguments (to myself-there were no vegan activists around). People change, and I hope he does too.
@keisee13788 ай бұрын
This is so interesting to watch because this guy's whole hedonistic thesis resembles someone I use to be friends with, and later stopped being friends with precisely because I started getting too concerned about his selfishness. He's smart, he's articulate, his fucked up logic works perfectly well as long as he keeps his personal happiness on the pedestal. Nothing matters as long as he's not directly affected. He assumes everyone secretly thinks like him and doesn't see what's so fucked up about that.
@10jonchannel7 ай бұрын
My concern is there is no way to prove him wrong, unless you have a strong argument for objective morality. With his line of reasoning, he is correct in stating that until there is a strong enough social push to end veganism through legislation, he truly has no necessity to stop eating meat. He sets the line at sapience, that’s what he believes separates humans from animals and makes them superior. It’s arbitrary, and a person can say the same with IQ for example in defense of slavery. However without an objective morality we can appeal to, it will always boil down to what is socially acceptable. He is just as justified as Ed is. His main concern is being logically consistent, and he is, even if he looks sociopathic. Destiny has the same exact argument
@Sccorpy7 ай бұрын
@@10jonchannel He isn't logically consistent though, there are more holes in his argument than in any movie directed by Michael Bay. Ed points them out consistently through the video. His only argument is "As long as I'm happy, I can do whatever I want." Which, sure is certainly a choice to live your life, but I think many problems are going to be encountered if you truly want to live that way. It honestly reminds me of internet forums from the early 00's, when teenagers would write thoughts and replies to posts as if they had the whole World figured out without ever having properly lived in it. I was certainly one of them at that time. This is honestly worrying to me when I see people like this exist, because in their own minds... they can justify anything.
@10jonchannel7 ай бұрын
@@Sccorpy Except, can you prove that his way of living and making ethical decisions is any more valid than yours? Unless there is an objective morality, you can’t. You’ll say for example “ we should use a utilitarian principle to guide our ethics” and I can say “I believe we should use a deontological one”. A utilitarian one would say “killing animals for food is bad for the climate and our overall well being, therefore it’s bad” for example A deontological one would be “Killing is bad” no matter the causes or circumstances However you can’t say that it is objectively so, because some actions or beliefs might harm one person, but not another. So it ultimately comes down to our socially agreed upon values. Some people believe that their own well being is more important than that of an animal, while others don’t. How can you prove their approach to life and view of self is wrong? You can try, but without the majority of society agreeing with you and proposing a law to stop it, you’ll never change his mind or all meat eaters. Your beliefs are just as valid as his. He is not contradicting himself, he is being logically consistent. Ed didn’t point out any logical inconsistencies, he just took his beliefs to the extreme to find out if he actually holds them. He never contradicted himself, even in the case of kicking a dog. Ed just wanted to point out how sociopathic he sounds, which he does. He’ll catch most people because they love dogs, cats and other animals but don’t apply the same considerations to cows, chickens, and pigs. He does, therefore there is nothing wrong with his argument logically
@10jonchannel7 ай бұрын
@@Sccorpy in my opinion this is the first debate where I’ve seen Ed “lose”. He made 0 ground and failed to show how his perspective was any better, other than appealing to emotion
@Sccorpy7 ай бұрын
@@10jonchannel Ed won the moment the lad admitted at the start that its better to be vegan. He said so himself. He just went full edge lord with the 'hedonistic' mantra. I see comments saying 'we all think like that' but its evident from the hundreds of other comments that people don't. He has a right to live that lifestyle, I just feel it would be a very lonely and friendless one as I have known people like him, and those people don't have many friends or people they can talk to or confide in. Their actions burned too many bridges. Not saying that will be him, just my own anecdotal experience.
@bluerainbow118 ай бұрын
I'm tired of people only following the law just because it isn't illegal yet, even when the law is unethical. Do the right thing for the sake of doing the right thing! Don't just wait for the laws to change.
@Maddie5bАй бұрын
Watching these videos is like watching people admit that they're narcissists/sociopaths
@elise75158 ай бұрын
i don't think i like that guy
@acc4268 ай бұрын
How to justify acting like a psychopath because we don’t exist in a vacuum 🥴
@minaariel82887 ай бұрын
This guy is frightening in his total detachment from his heart , sickening to watch him continue to show all signs of a psychopath . i love how Ed was gently expressing his concern at the end. i was sad and unsettled to see a guy like him continue to keep our world unhealthy in all sense of the word , inflicting suffering that requires moral disengagement only selfish reasons . Ed does a brilliant job of exposing the cruelty of one selfish individual without losing his composure .
@Wingerlang8 ай бұрын
Wow, such a egoistic and quite honesty stupid narcissist. Great work Ed!
@EricTitansSmith8 ай бұрын
Behold. This is what happens when society places self as a higher power and the pleasure of self as the ultimate achievement.
@1211-n4d8 ай бұрын
So you don't value your own pleasure? There are things right now you're doing, I'm sure, that are pleasurable to you, but either hurt others or the environment. I guarantee it.
@EricTitansSmith7 ай бұрын
@@1211-n4d I don't hold my own pleasure as the highest virtue. I am for sure engaging in activities that hurt others. That isn't the issue. Universal resources are finite and by simply existing in this world I am hurting others in some abstract way by using resources they would need to then create. The creation of resources will inevitably lead to the trade of those resources and the opportunity for exploitation goes down the chain. I also don't think that zero suffering for any animal is currently a feasible goal. I don't consume for my own pleasure things that purposefully harm others. I have a phone because my family and my job need to contact me. I care more about their peace of mind and my ability to feed my family. When I fall short and do something that hurts someone else to achieve my own pleasure, I feel disguising. I know intrinsically that if meaning is something worth thinking about, there must be something greater than self to aspire to, or else why grow into anything? We don't crucify or burn witches at the stake anymore because we are growing as a species. If that growth is happening what was the catalyst? Something compels us to sacrifice short term comfort for the chance at pushing forward towards a greater state of being. Everything bad in this world has been created from the lower self (fear, war, hatred, selfishness). Everything good has been birthed from the higher self (art, compassion, science, sacrifice). I live my live in pursuit of higher virtues than my flesh and bones hold.
@riley88697 ай бұрын
@@1211-n4d That wouldn't conclude a reason to be as bad as possible. I mean, look at how all the worst world leaders fall after all their pleasures.