Is Wrecking Ball A THROW PICK In Lower Ranks? | Overwatch 2 Spectating

[@coutalman]

As a ball main, the reason hes not good in lower ranks is because you usually want your teammates to help follow up on slams and boops. But in these lobbies noone knows how to play with/against ball. So unless your hard carrying and able to get kills on your own consistently, youre gonna struggle ALOT.

[@zerovking7629]

@@TheGreatPewpyOne ur complaining about one of the only fair tanks bro

[@lil_230]

@@zerovking7629 sigma, rein, winston?

[@jakube1066]

@@TheGreatPewpyOne ong but what do you play tho

[@jocsanmedina9005]

​@@jakube1066mauga / orisa 😂

[@Siks7Ate9]

​@@TheGreatPewpyOnei imagine you are a support player. If you are getting solo killed as a support constantly you have multiple different heroes to play or play with or close too as a support that makes ball absolutely miserable to try and kill you. Literally play brig or next to a brig or play kiriko or even bap and just shoot him as bap or kiriko.

[@MysticMicrowave]

Some People just don't know how to play with or against a ball. I have a friend who is a ball otp, and there are countless times where supports go WAY out of position to heal them when its not needed and die.

[@WaxwingSlain]

Both my healer friends do this even after telling them i can get the healing packs and will come to them for healing

[@imkjvc2302]

Oh trust me the enemy team always knows how to deal with ball. Sombra afk and you can no longer play the game

[@nynsho2326]

when you don't have a ball otp and instead get the make-a-wish random ball, we get flamed for not getting out of position to heal them

[@KaiDub24]

Probably cuz there’s tons of balls complaining about heals. I tell em go get health packs or come back to me. I’m not dying for u… I play in plat tho so idk what it’s like higher

[@imkjvc2302]

@@KaiDub24 it doesn’t change in diamond, all that changes is the sombras get better and it’s all pain from there, skill issue I guess 😅

[@funkierblum]

Yooo this is meeee, thanks for reviewing mi vod :))) I watched it live and learned a lot

[@hunterblake7390]

You’re good enough to climb, but you should pile drive more

[@trav8787]

Do you watch chazim or yeatle? I learnt heaps by watching chazim vids. The main things I picked up were better ways to use balls abilities and cleaner ways to engage / position You seem to have the basics sorted, but there is a lot of small adjustments you could incorporate that would immediately get you gold A couple small tips. I know its easy to forget, but use the retract grapple ability wayyy more, use it to go into a slam and you will get a second grapple straight away. 9:15 is the perfect example, shoot the moira then immediately grapple the roof, retract, slam, roll out. On that second map you can constantly retract grapple the middle tower and go into a slam, easy ult charge and get a second grapple back straight away 5:21 Wait 1 sec to regen health, pull yourself up over the fence and go into a slam, no one is expecting you to come over the fence (though you did do a good grapple after this) 5:28 Your basically at full HP, go up the staircase instead of rolling to the back of the map, you just rolled through three enemies so you know your team is temporarily fine, from the staircase your going to create and off angle and you can slam off the high ground. On that second map, most of your engagements were coming from head on, hard to isolate one person, easy to get CC'd

[@hannah8466]

Very good mechanics

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodjinx]

You're a pretty good hampter. My only recommendations is to pile drive more and sometimes realize you need to change gears. Pile driving groups of enemies generates your ult crazy fast so those times you roll through everyone, if you can turn it into a pile drive too then it benefits you greatly. That does mean no escape, but adaptive shield keeps you alive until grapple comes back so you only engage for 5 seconds. As with second point, if you don't have any value on point you could obviously swap, OR you can change gears. Be a menace in the back line or a gnat. They all swapped to counter ball so obviously they don't like you but they weren't hunting you. If everyone is constantly turning for an unkillable ball then you still get value, especially when otherwise you're just in their faces tickling them. Basically, if you realize you don't have point presence then just turn into tracer and piss them off. Only works if you're actually lethal, so on off days probably swap instead of changing gears, but the skill is there to obliterate backlines.

[@RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers]

You're already feeding way less than most at your rank, which is always the hardest skill to learn. As several folks have mentioned, you need to be slamming way more - easiest addition to your current approach. You worked very 2-dimensionally - Ball, however, has insane vertical movement possibilities. One of the keys to approaching any hero is figuring out "What does this hero do that most heroes don't?" because those are the keys to value. The fact that a good Ball can come at you from basically anywhere on the map - including crashing out of the skybox like a meteor - is what makes him annoying af to play against, which in turn means it's what you should be doing when playing him. Grapple just a bit higher and you set yourself up to follow your boop with a slam. Rolling through = 60hp, Swinging through then slamming (what Yeatle calls the Scoop & Poop) = 160. That's the difference between an easy heal for their supports and an easy kill for your teammates.

[@EricAndre615]

From what I've observed the main problem with Wrecking Ball is not the person playing Ball, but the rest of their team. The Ball will be in there causing so much confusion and taking all the attention from the other team, but then Ball's teammates just sit way to far back and don't capitalize on all the distraction being caused by the Ball. At least at the lower ranks. It's like the team doesn't know how to adjust to having a Tank that's not right in front of them mitigating damage with a shield walking in a straight line. **Edit: after making this comment I am seeing that almost all the comments are saying the same thing.

[@novalytyxp]

No, the amount of straight line fighting in low elo is ridiculous. It really is this

[@Lilian040210]

Yeah, like at the start of second point ball was alone on it for eternity and the team was sitting away from the point. A lot of people just sit in the choke doing nothing. "Tank is supposed to make space" and they do and dps is just :/ A lot of supports just afks at the point and not even try to heal me when I push a little andor try to hold at a choke instead of a point with 50 flanks

[@EricAndre615]

@@Lilian040210I know the moment you are talking about because I noticed it too and that's what prompted me to make a response about it. It was obvious right then the team just had no idea what to do even though ball was in there creating a lot of space for them. They just didn't see/recognize it.

[@redpaw2153]

Straight up, the problem with ball in lower ranks is that nobody on your team will know how to play with Ball at a lower level. At low ranks, they want a big meat wall to stop bullets, not a meatball bouncing off walls 🤣 BUT, 70% of the time, at lower ranks ball/doom aren't as good as they think

[@damuzx8590]

Only facts were spoken today

[@Siks7Ate9]

It's more that people don't realise when ball gives them a opportunity and forces cooldowns for them to do something and that most lower rank ball players go flank in narnia to then do 1 piledrive and then go away/not follow up on the piledrive. Or they just roll through people and think that's how the make space. People in lower ranks don't know well enough how to create opportunities or see when they have the opportunity to isolate a target as ball (or winston for that matter often aswell) or follow up on that isolated target as a dps.

[@damuzx8590]

@@Siks7Ate9 you two just said the same thing ultimately

[@Siks7Ate9]

@@damuzx8590 yes, however I went a little more in depth as to why xD

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodjinx]

If teamates don't capitalize then I kinda just become a looming presence in the back line. Literally just annoy the piss out of the enemy

[@darkestbefore]

If you get fireball on wrecking ball and jump while you have it, you keep your speed for much longer than if you just roll.

[@zjohn11]

Playing ball is good in lower ranks bc enemy players don’t know how to play against him but it’s bad at low ranks because your teammates don’t know how to play with ball.

[@hungry_khid1007]

How do u play against ball

[@arsim2.0]

@@hungry_khid1007 bastion and sombra done

[@moonyeast]

2:20 NOT THAT ENEMY TEAM COMP 😭😭😭 hacked out of grapple. virused. javelined. spun into a wall. hindered. slept out of piledrive. antid

[@funkierblum]

it was horrid I can tell you that much

[@marcelosantana3711]

i feel like the second point struggle was about they dont quite know the map hooks. it seems like every one of my games where i'm playing on a new map. this is a hero that is not enough knows how to play him, you need to know to play the map. thats one of the reasons i love play it. Their uptime was really good, almost never out of combat to wait their health get to max, always using the shield as a preemptive to damage and not as a reaction to taking damage. Explore the map and you will have less and less problems climbing through of metal ranks. when you reach plat or higher, things change a bit, but thats a talk to another day. A quick tip, i didnt see on the video, mine then piledrive, it gives your mines time to set up and get someone on their way down.

[@RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers]

I'd go a step further to say it's not just the map knowledge - he played very 2 dimensional with his hooks. Always at ground level, never getting the elevation he needed for slams. Just in the first fight alone he missed like 4-5 multi-enemy slam opportunities. To put it in Yeatle terminology, he needs to be doing the Scoop & Poop and all he's doing is a Boop. The damage from the slam is 2x that of the Boop and the difference between 50 hp on a roll through and 150 for a S&P is the difference between feeding their support ults and giving your teammates multiple targets at 40% health to finish off (i.e., the difference between being effective and not).

[@marcelosantana3711]

@@RLplusabunchofdumbnumbers I would agreed completely if this wasn't silver. You can't count on your teammates to finish off foes on silver. So a bit more of map knowledge and experience on the map would really help him. Besides, I'm not an amazing Ball at all, but I manage to get on plat1 and still miss 4-5 opportunities as such each game. There isn't such thing as don't miss opportunities. The difference is with more map knowledge he will be able to create more opportunities making the 4-5 misses being a smaller percentage.

[@hobbeswagner]

Ball main here. I feel like one of the biggest things I'd point out that I haven't heard yet here is they want to hold their hooks a lot longer. They release hook almost every time after they get one boop. Your boop should be a huge part of your damage as your guns suck so bad, so hanging onto hooks and looking for extra value is key. Also look for longer hooks. A lot of their roll-through's could've been way better and gotten more swings if they'd just grappled higher or further forward

[@funkierblum]

I'll take that into consideration, thank you for the insight!

[@abotaccount6094]

Balls guns dont suck tho, they just require good tracking and the ability to hit headshots

[@damsone4751]

@@abotaccount6094Naw Ball’s guns are good up close but once you walk back like 1ft they are fucking peashooters

[@mr.parker8014]

I would advise this ball to experiment with more vertical and pull grapples. Seems like a lot of the grapples they do are horizontal floor grapples, and they dont use slam anywhere near as much as they could. Lots of lost pressure and missing out on damage Remember, if you grapple up, use the jump button and dont swing, you can slam without putting your grapple on cooldown

[@brimpyshpingle]

not nearly enough piledrives!

[@funkierblum]

I admit this game was very piledrive lacking, but I do use it much more often in other maps, Samoa is one of those that I'm still simply not used to. I'll pay more attention to it in the future, thanks!

[@kingclampz6081]

@@funkierblumas a wrecking ball main what are your thoughts on doomfist? Both are extremely similar selfish dive tanks with the same counters. Both are also cool down ability based, both have cc, and both get hated on a lot for the same exact reason (both are not traditional tanks and majority of doom/ball players are bad while simultaneously being the most frustrating to go against if the ball/doom are actually good.

[@funkierblum]

@@kingclampz6081 I like the way he plays, but I'm not that good with him just because I've rarely even touched him. He plays way too different from ball as well. Ball plays around health packs and sandwiching the enemy team, Doom plays a lot more frontline-backline, dive in-get bacck to the supports

[@kingclampz6081]

@@funkierblum hmm that’s a good point doom somehow has a better frontline presence. But both greatly benefit from causing a huge chaos on the battlefield and getting rid of squishes and than retreating right away

[@ntech216]

One of the biggest issues i see that their making is they uses their over health to engage when their full health. Over heslth should be reserved for your "get out of jail free card" or to assist teammates who are half helth or lower. Other things like grapples, movement, multi boop techs etc will come with time. Also kinda a side note because it seems a lot of lower rank ball players dont relize it but when you're in the air after a grapple you can shoot. So ideally grapple in booping them, retract and aim to go airborne, look down shoot enemy a little, pile drive and clean up kill after landing. Or if chashing a mercy, phara etc. In the air grapple and aim to go airborne and shoot at them while in the air to pressure them.

[@Lennystan_]

as a ball player the issue alot of the time is that others are clueless how to play with a ball as their tank. the ball can be playing perfect and still get flamed cause others are just projecting and cant accept the fact its their fault the problem is usually that dps dont take advantage of space you make, or support feel the need to unnecessarily go out of position to heal you and end up dying cause of it. one time i literally watched an ana walk out in front of a widow for no reason to heal me as i went for a mega, then proceeded to scream at me in team chat for getting them killed. bad players too often have the biggest egos, and dont understand the game enough to comprehend that theyre the issue, so they just lash out and ball is always an easy target lol

[@kingclampz6081]

as a wrecking ball main what are your thoughts on doomfist? Both are extremely similar selfish dive tanks with the same counters. Both are also cool down ability based, both have cc, and both get hated on a lot for the same exact reason (both are not traditional tanks and majority of doom/ball players are bad while simultaneously being the most frustrating to go against if the ball/doom are actually good.

[@Lennystan_]

@@kingclampz6081 i agree, i think theyre in the same boat. I just think doom is worse, way buggier and kinda just a bad hero at the moment . i also think ball is more forgiving if you mess up a rollout, you miss an empowered punch into the backline and youre probably cooked. personally i dont play doom, never did in ow1 and never felt like picking up the hero now given the facts hes kinda cheeks unless youre really good at him. but ofc im biased towards ball , hes my second most played hero and have stuck with him since i started playing more or less

[@kingclampz6081]

@@Lennystan_ agreed and also based on research for all the people that played 6v6 customs they all said doom and ball were meta and could not be stopped. Think about it they perfectly compliment eachother same way with dva and Winston or rein and zarya. Ball distracts then first allowing doom to safely get in range. Ball creates the chaos first to allow doom in range than doom can cc the whole team keep them distracted which takes the main attention off of ball. So many opportunities with these two.

[@Lennystan_]

@@kingclampz6081 I used to duo with a doom otp in ow1 and we would run ball/doom and terrorize lobbies, I bet it would be even better now that he’s a tank lol

[@kingclampz6081]

@@Lennystan_ exactlyyyy bro that’s what I’m saying now that both are tanks it’s going to perfect for both of them because they are the two fastest tanks in the game with good cc, damage, self sustain etc. when 6v6 comes back that’s my go to duo to run

[@antoineszturemski329]

No, but usually they don't know how to play with him

[@tennosake320]

Neither do u

[@antoineszturemski329]

@@tennosake320 ok bro

[@jakube1066]

neither do the person who submited this

[@rage_man8112]

1 of the people I tend to play with despises ball so much it pissses me off, if we have a ball they could carry us and he'll say they suck if we are fighting 1 he'll say they are too broken

[@imagoatiswear1938]

Many people are saying that people in lower ranks don't know how to play with ball but it's also that people simply don't wanna play in the playstyle that you need to play with a ball. Same with doomfist. Any other tank and you can play however you like I feel like in lower ranks but those two? Your whole team has to play around that/adapt to it and that's not happening in lower ranks.

[@kingclampz6081]

what are your thoughts on doomfist and wrecking ball? Both are extremely similar selfish dive tanks with the same counters. Both are also cool down ability based, both have cc, and both get hated on a lot for the same exact reason (both are not traditional tanks and majority of doom/ball players are bad while simultaneously being the most frustrating to go against if the ball/doom are actually good.

[@Battleress2]

this is absolutely a gold-plat ball if they just stay confident and choose their engagements a little better; go hard on anybody out of position, and get out for three seconds if you heck up your grapple to let it reset. if sombra ISN'T hard-focusing you, you're not being aggressive enough lol

[@Nenepuck]

The reason ball is so hard to play down in metal is because a large portion of people don’t know his play style is a dive tank that is away from the team and on the enemy’s ass so they shouldn’t be constantly pumping heals but instead using his existence as an opportunity to eliminate squishies. As well as the fact a lot of them just play Junkrat and spam from who knows where

[@brookeboyd7095]

To me, if there’s a good ball or doom in lower ranks, they can take over from a QP perspective at least.

[@funkierblum]

Oh yeah quickplay Ball rocks

[@deoxxys]

Personally, watching Yeatles unranked to GM for Wrecking Ball for a few hours helped me get better

[@kingclampz6081]

as a wrecking ball main what are your thoughts on doomfist? Both are extremely similar selfish dive tanks with the same counters. Both are also cool down ability based, both have cc, and both get hated on a lot for the same exact reason (both are not traditional tanks and majority of doom/ball players are bad while simultaneously being the most frustrating to go against if the ball/doom are actually good.

[@deoxxys]

@@kingclampz6081 I'm going to be real with you I've always been doodoo at doomfist and I've only recently been learning him

[@brimpyshpingle]

ult -> piledrive often results in more value than piledrive -> ult. makes it harder for people to get out of the bombs safely

[@Antonio-ys5zd]

Pretty good Ball. Need to use your grapple retraction a bit more though it can lead to more frequent damage from pile drives such as pn the second point where high ground is harder to roll off of. Word of advice though: if the whole enemy team is still alive do not shoot the fortified Orisa! Surprisingly though they started almost a whole team comp of your counters which you had almost no issue with. Good job. As a Ball main myself you will climb just recognize which targets are more important in particular fights

[@funkierblum]

Tysm! I'll take it into account, it's just sometimes hard to not focus the tank since it's the biggest target. Also tell me if I'm wrong but sometimes I just go for damage on the tank when I see no immediate targets just to build some ult charge in the meantime, should I avoid it?

[@Antonio-ys5zd]

@@funkierblum no if you believe the ult charge is necessary then it should be fine but just make sure you aren't focused too hard on it. Don't want to let their team get any picks on yours. At lower ranks the dps really like to shoot the tank too lol

[@spacecowboy7193]

This is way better than silver ball. And As he climbs he’ll get more players who know how to play with ball.

[@jakube1066]

is the "better than silver" ball in room with us?

[@spacecowboy7193]

@@jakube1066 He ain’t GM. Probably not even plat yet. But have you seen silver tank play? Those kids just crab walk into Orisa and die off cooldown.

[@funkierblum]

@@jakube1066 hello

[@tdaddy6505]

@@funkierblumyou good ball. Learn other tanks will climb fast :)

[@funkierblum]

@@tdaddy6505 haha i can play most tanks at somewhat the same level as ball, but i just enjoy playing him so much in comparison

[@buddytheratmore7540]

i feel like i play pretty similarly to this ball, but like way more piledrives yet im told that im a horrible tank and deserve bronze5 because i "dont know how to play with the team" when in reality the team doesnt know how to play with me.. im a ball main with around 200hrs on him (combined qp and comp) and i hate being constantly harrassed and being told that im bad at the game or that im throwing, i hate being told in real life that i am a bad person if i play wreckingball in overwatch, i hate getting hard counterswapped in every single game of overwatch that i play ball in, please just let me live and play the game, everyone on that game tries to make my life as bad as possible just because i like hamsters, i should not have to quit playing the game and have a mental breakdown because i cant play a single game in the span of 8hrs without being harrassed to the sombra to the point that the game is genuinely unplayable i have a genuine disdain for sombra now and dislike anyone who plays sombra, i feel like if u have to play sombra maybe ur just not good at the game the whole point of sombra is to force everyone else to stop playing the game so u win by default and if you have to force that, are you actually good at the game?

[@kingclampz6081]

Wrecking ball and Doomfist what are your thoughts on them? Both are extremely similar selfish dive tanks with the same counters. Both are also cool down ability based, both have cc, and both get hated on a lot for the same exact reason (both are not traditional tanks and majority of doom/ball players are bad while simultaneously being the most frustrating to go against if the ball/doom are actually good.

[@Equine-Emily]

so. you are talking about how you dislike how people think your a bad person and if you suck just because you play ball, but then you say that you dislike sombras and you think they’re bad and they stuck? so hypocritical.

[@kennethholbert4748]

I am ONCE again here to state NO ONE hoped for an Orisa Meta

[@jaydiddy..]

I picked up ball recently and played ranked with him and got told that "ball really isn't made for 5v5" and my usual duo i play with was like ball isn't good and i had to out right tell him that he aint amazing when the team aint doing anything to confirm the things i do and now im blocked by them moral of the story is ball is good its just people might be a little slow when it comes to playing with ball

[@cheesybob691]

I really need a shoot bubble tutorial

[@sinanatac]

One thing I'm noticing is that a vast majority of their grapples are low, and they aren't using piledrive nearly enough

[@Scordizzy]

I used to be annoyed when we’d get a Ball on the team but for the most part they usually play pretty well.

[@Madeline-di4wh]

They played better than a lot of diamond tanks in my games lol

[@jakube1066]

yeah, no, not rly

[@requix37]

Played quick play wrecking ball and 8 out 9 games, they swapped to orisa,bastion, and sombra.

[@Plepsfoko]

While it’s annoying remember sometimes people had a rough day at work or whatever and don’t want to deal with a dive hero up their ass the whole game in quickplay

[@jakube1066]

womp womp

[@buddytheratmore7540]

​@@Plepsfoko the same thing applies to the dive hero, if u have to counterswap to win i think ur just bad at the game

[@Plepsfoko]

If you can’t play into a single counter you’re just bad at the game. Not my fault you can’t handle a sombra in quickplay

[@Plepsfoko]

@@buddytheratmore7540 you sound like those shitty pharah/echo players who refuse to play into a single hitscan. If you’re getting outplayed by someone just swapping a character you’re a lot shittier at the game than you think

[@endershel8163]

Wrecking ball isn't bad he's just hard to play at high level

[@proda7696]

Also with the recent changes I feel like it's sometimes good to press space while using the grapple to gain extra speed and almost instant piledrive, it can also be used to slowly go up and use the piledrive at any point, though in my opinion the ability to give your shield to your allies should only be used when you're 100% safe, otherwise it's just not worth it at all. Ulting in the air to spread the mines and to combo it with a piledrive in also better in most cases

[@jonah-b7k]

Hammond isn't a throw pick but sometimes he can be. If the enemy zar is walking over your teammates with full charge while you can't get value against the rest of their comp/team, I think it's time to swap. Having a main is cool and all but one tricking makes your teammates suffer sometimes.

[@realms4219]

If the enemy zarya is fully charged when the ball isn't even looking at her, the team needs to take a long look at themselves before blaming the ball.

[@moonyeast]

also i think this guy can try to have more intelligent grapples so they can hold onto it more. more boops per cooldown = more damage

[@fettbub92]

Ball and DF highlight why OW tank sucks. Your team expects you to sit there in the open, dueling the enemy tank and peeling for your backline; when your job is to annoy and harass their backline, in order to make space and pick opportunities for your team. This applies to practically every tank, especially in OW2. Some brawl tanks can trade with the frontline, but its best to end the squishies, then focus the tank, in a team fight.

[@Siks7Ate9]

I commented this already at a different comment but i altered it a little so it also applies here: Often it's also a lack of understanding with teammates who have literally no clue how ball actually plays. Other times your teammates simply just suck lol. I have had a game where I'm literally solo killing a window and a ana in their spawn on junkertown for 2 minutes straight while on attack and my teammates say gg ball is throwing. There was only 1 zarya, mercy and a cassidy left to kill as 4 teammates. Like what? How can you say your ball is throwing when you are losing a 4 v 3 against a zarya cassidy mercy while you are playing 2 hitscans, a baptiste and a mercy for 2 minutes. You have a bap window and a mercy dmg boost aswell as a soldier and a cassidy and cannot kill a mercy?

[@kingclampz6081]

@@Siks7Ate9 as a wrecking ball main what are your thoughts on doomfist? Both are extremely similar selfish dive tanks with the same counters. Both are also cool down ability based, both have cc, and both get hated on a lot for the same exact reason (both are not traditional tanks and majority of doom/ball players are bad while simultaneously being the most frustrating to go against if the ball/doom are actually good.

[@Siks7Ate9]

@kingclampz6081 personally I feel like doomfist has a higher skill floor and ceiling but the overall impact can be the same. Yet with doomfist its much more noticeable, atleast as far as diamond goes, I never aspired to climb higher then diamond. But I feel like ball in lower ranks is worse compared to doomfist's impact too see because of the less noticeable impact. Like doomfist can feed his brains out entire game and its noticeable, ball can literally be carrying and it would still not be noticeable on his teammates because they don't realise their widow is killing people for free because the other widow is always under attack and the other enemy dps is on sombra trying to kill the ball instead of widow. The enemy tank is getting less healing because of the ball being in the backline etc. Yet when doomfist slams 4 people into a wall and his teammates follow up on that its visible. All the while ball could have been doing all of the abovementioned things, yet if the widow doesn't hit a shot, and they don't shoot at the enemy tank when ball is on the enemy backline its hardly felt. Doomfist is also more about mechanics aswell as cooldown rotations compared to wrecking ball being more timing and target focus based. Yet they can achieve the same things.

[@izab3ru]

Decent ball play. I can see the climb. One minor thing to improve on is passing shield to teammates. If your adaptive shield is about to expire, in most cases there is zero reason to NOT shield your team. If you're low, that's different.

[@funkierblum]

Since it's still a somewhat recent change for ball (i just came back to playing a month ago) I forget it even exists, thank you for pointing it out tho

[@haven600]

Reaper on my team thought i was throwing when i swapped last minute ro Ball but hed the inly tank i know how to counter lucio with cuz boop pile driver juggles the lucio so he's air borne not touching anything for 2 seconds and i finish him off. Plus i finally got good at sharing adaptive shield with my team i saved my reaper from a widow head shot during his ult cuz i overfilled his health so him surviving the rest of his ult let him wipe the team off payload and i just body blocked hello 👋🏼 spammed the widow

[@ACuteAura]

you're letting some bounce opportunities go to waste, you don't need to let go the second you get fireball, you just need to learn the distance grapple shrinks to, and then you can do multiple fireballs, especially in tight spaces. oh, and grapple upwards a lot more, if you retract while doing that you can fly across the map and if you don't, you can fireball through them, get airtime where you have a lot of control and then piledrive.

[@Ejai1]

#1 thing I'd tell that ball player is to be more patient. Ball is all about calculated attacks. This guy was too aggressive, not methodical

[@iannavarro138]

Good video! I would consider that to improve as ball in lower ranks you can take advantage of killing de back line with some slams and focusing the supports and then go tank your team, that will make the other team constantly snow ball and help you climb through lower ranks.

[@realms4219]

Ball main since OW1 release, I can confidently say that if the ball player has any clue of the ball basics he will crush plat and lower. There's just no counter-play whatsoever so you can freely roll/slam all day long and worst case you don't get picks but farm your ult in half the time.

[@tariqdotpng546]

please make a video on zarya bubbles, i definetly struggle against zarya more than most tanks

[@ToxicDamonster]

Out of curiosity before I get farther into the video, why is Orisa coming back meta wise? I don’t play tank a ton anymore, mostly dps and support, but not much has changed the last couple updates for Orisa to start becoming meta again from what I see. They nerfed dva a bit earlier this season, but I still see a ton of dva and feel like it is a struggle to kill her. I just don’t see how Orisa is coming back and was looking for others input!

[@ceciliastude5584]

Im thinking its due to her microbuffs she's been getting these past few seasons. Basically theyve been slowly giving her small buffs and she's starting to get into a good spot again. Especially if dva's getting nerfs next season I think Orisa could easily be meta next season!

[@Siks7Ate9]

Microbuffs into microbuffs and other tanks getting weaker maker her the strongest stable option again. Also her ability to just spear someone and kill them aswell. Like you could say rein would be fairly decent on certain maps or winston, yet orisa can just run you over on rein if your team comp ain't perfect or you lose someone, winston will need a entire dive comp and will have to sacrifice their ana for example to be effective. Which won't happen in any rank except maybe high diamond and above and even then the safer option would be to just play orisa.

[@gwyn.]

Across all the metal ranks, 80-90% of the time people does not have constant awareness of what their team is doing or knowing when to capitalize the opportunities appeared. This game already does not require you to have good mechanical skills and yet these players refuses to think at all. Not saying this ball is good enough of what they're doing in this rank, ball heavily requires team co-op follow ups, and because whenever ball show up, sombra shows up too which is not fun to play against. And people tend not to play ball, which then less people know how to play, and with them. Especially when it's at a lower rank, people already not cooperating even if you're not playing ball.

[@doakesanddrax]

The problem with ball is while they are rolling around doing their thing, the enemy orisa with a mercy pocket is just rolling the team

[@mayitakeyourhatsir8632]

@@TheGreatPewpyOne there's more to tanking than being a frontline lmao. backline pressure from ball can create a ton of space that in essence is "tanking." this concept has been known since OW1. but keep telling us about how other people can't grasp a simple concept

[@polygondwanaland8390]

​@mayitakeyourhatsir8632 "this concept has been known since OW1" is an odd thing to say when the OW1 meta ended with pirate ships and even when dispruptive off-tanks were meta there was two tanks

[@emerywoods624]

​@@polygondwanaland8390 ow1 meta ended in dive but ok

[@emerywoods624]

​@@TheGreatPewpyOne ball created space by demanding attention and cooldowns from the enemy team. He just created space different from the other tanks.

[@abotaccount6094]

​@@TheGreatPewpyOnethere is zero percent chance you are any higher than gold

[@Lappmogel]

Wrecking ball is a throw pick below diamond because people don't know how to play with ball in lower ranks. Luckily wrecking ball has so much agency that you can easily carry yourself up to diamond.

[@Yolipow]

Honestly, they don’t seem like a silver player. Not quite plat, but not silver

[@jakwolfe3025]

I ain't an overwatch pro but all ik is that the hamster kinda REQUIRES the same thing DVa requires which is SOLID SUPPORT and good teamwork. Like yeah all tanks sorta need that but they need it THE MOST. I've seen wrecking balls ABSOLUTELY WRECK EVERYTHING for me and my team just by existing but I've seen them do the same to their own team too because they play like they don't need support or to support their team and play like they have ULTIMATE survivability when they don't🤷🏽. I hate a good ball and people hate a bad one more. I had a game where a doomfist had a similar problem as a bad ball of just running into the enemies and getting shredded because they have no support and they're not supporting their team and he was complaining the whole time cuz I just actively refused to heal him. He was talking shit and playing terrible and had bad positions and he didn't even wanna help me escape a bad situation as the bubble witch by putting a bubble on me so I could better escape and help out. He would also run in without his team CONSTANTLY but instead kept blaming me for everything. Even another teammate joined in on bagging on me 💀 but the other support wasn't doing much(and left pretty quickly), DPS wasn't getting hella kills or even doing HELPFUL damage and then THE TANK WAS TRASH. Anyway the very next game he was an enemy tank and I did massive damage, good heals, and did decent support ON A SWITCH cuz I was tired and in my room and he was still making the same mistakes 🤷🏽. But that's why those characters get a bad rep in the first place cuz people do STUPID THINGS AND RAGE

[@WaxwingSlain]

I have this exact problem as a ball main, but, with my irl friends. Where they will get unnecessarily hostile when i choose ball bc of the fact they don't know how to play with me, even after explaining to them how to lol

[@lummus3646]

damn, when i play with my irl friends the objective is getting drunk and having a good time. what is wrong with your friends?

[@BigChiefActual1]

@@lummus3646 well he chose ball, thats their problem with him

[@WaxwingSlain]

@lummus3646 lol I tried telling them it's QP and it's not that serious but idk man they're all really competitive and stubborn people so the only way the enjoy the game is if their winning.

[@WaxwingSlain]

@Shaqsquatch it's not like I do horrible, it's one thing if I sell constantly and I make horrible plays after plays, but most of the time I get the most kills/dmg with the least amount of deaths but their need to be right conquers all logical thinking

[@BigChiefActual1]

@@WaxwingSlain stats are cool, but it's a team game. That's like Russel Westbrook talking about all the shots he took and made when the team loses. No one cares. Win the game brotha. My friends and I are competitive game we want to win............ If we aren't being being competitive we'll play a non team based game. With that being said, We've all played sports, so we have a different understanding of what being on a team means, respectfully.

[@tobysoneregret]

I definitely dont think they're silver, they're movement could be more polished but they overall understand his movement and has good mechanics

[@brimpyshpingle]

WHY NO PILEDRIVE

[@Waffl3B1T]

ALRIGHT SO!

[@tylermhm]

TODAYS VIDEO

[@MattyTayo]

Don't downplay the effect on your team morale and motivation by just picking ShitBall. I'm gonna throwpick also and not try if the only tank isn't gonna cap and hold objective. GGs Hammond mains.

[@CalebCarroll-i9t]

Hey there. I'm also starting to be a ball OTP and I was just wanting some insight as to what I can do to become better, I can reply to you a replay code of one of my better games so I can have your insight. I'm kinda busy tho so I can try to do it as soon as I can

[@somaraparicio3537]

Yes ball is a throw pick because nobody understands how to play WITH A BALL. Im sure some players are goated but the supps will overdo it

[@geert574]

rather not have 6v6 back or ball gonna be broken op again

[@YOSSARIAN313]

Ball and Doom just feed with little value in the lower ranks. I wish those tanks were locked until diamond

[@kingclampz6081]

Wrecking ball and Doomfist what are your thoughts on them? Both are extremely similar selfish dive tanks with the same counters. Both are also cool down ability based, both have cc, and both get hated on a lot for the same exact reason (both are not traditional tanks and majority of doom/ball players are bad while simultaneously being the most frustrating to go against if the ball/doom are actually good.

[@jicklewickle]

Yo i submitted a ball Samoa game last week, crazy

[@OrphanHart]

This is not "decent" Ball gameplay. It looks like someone picking up Hammond for the first time and doesn't have much time with the game in general. Hopefully the video helps him to improve. I always hope Ball players, specifically, get better. It's like skateboarding. It takes major dedication and much trial and error, but if they keep at it you know it'll click at some point and they'll likely be okay. My second favorite character in the game.

[@roylopez305]

feel like emongg didnt give any real good advice to the ball player. like the main thing he needs to work on is his grapple mechanics. aim higher so he can roll on them and pile driver combo. also they need to increase their sensitivity a little . their aim looked really stiff

[@jakube1066]

yeah need to play way more, theyre shit rn

[@funkierblum]

I'll try the higher sens, I have noticed I get stiff a lot

[@Variety8th]

1st game.. he belongs in silver. Positioning, cant follow fast kills, target priority, need more assassin tracerlike playstyle,no scout n scoop.

[@CheckHertz]

no

[@theprometheu5]

Yes. 1 out of 10 players can play with Ball, everyone can play with most other tanks (not you Doom)

[@kingclampz6081]

Wrecking ball and Doomfist what are your thoughts on them? Both are extremely similar selfish dive tanks with the same counters. Both are also cool down ability based, both have cc, and both get hated on a lot for the same exact reason (both are not traditional tanks and majority of doom/ball players are bad while simultaneously being the most frustrating to go against if the ball/doom are actually good.

[@jsa8775]

Yes yes yes and yes….i lose about 80 percent of games in lower ranks when the tank is ball

[@BigChiefActual1]

Ball, Doom, and Mercy are certified losses at any rank les s than diamond

[@kingclampz6081]

Wrecking ball and Doomfist what are your thoughts on them? Both are extremely similar selfish dive tanks with the same counters. Both are also cool down ability based, both have cc, and both get hated on a lot for the same exact reason (both are not traditional tanks and majority of doom/ball players are bad while simultaneously being the most frustrating to go against if the ball/doom are actually good.

[@kamilmoha1033]

I belive i hv a juicy VOD but i cant submit it on the discord, it was a lost game on kings row where i had 41 kills n the 2nd to most dmg while the enemy hd top 25kills. Any help on how to submit it while the discord says "u do bot hv permiision"

[@williamriley4989]

Yay I'm here early!

[@014Darkness]

ALRIGHT SO!