Is Xbox's "Largest Technical Leap In A Generation" Simply A High-End PC?

[@tashriquekarriem8865]

This “biggest generational leap” sounds a lot like Forza’s “built from the ground up” mascot statement.

[@ForTheViolence]

Microsoft is either cooking something big up or just incompetent. Literally all they have to do is have Phil Spencer call his friend Gabe Newell and create some sort of integration between Microsoft’s Xbox store and steam.

[@jarde1989]

Gabe may be friends with Phil… but he’s not a fan of Windows

[@EmergencyChannel]

I don't think Valve would ever work with Microsoft directly. Valve has been the only large company leading the crusade for Linux gaming so they can escape Windows monopoly.

[@ladiddas]

They don’t even need to contact Valve, they can just ship a version of Windows 11/12 on Xbox and just have you download Steam that way

[@arianoooamari6949]

@@ladiddaswhat if valve doesn’t support that?

[@scheeseman486]

@@arianoooamari6949 Valve's long term goal is to have Steam and it's library available on anything that could possibly support it. Why would they say no?

[@lugardboy]

Consumers cry for pro consumer companies. Microsoft is giving us that and people without foresight don't see this as a plus for consumers

[@goldensperm7182]

This time, it will only be called BOX!

[@christophermullins7163]

Box box gaming box console

[@colaboytje]

@@goldensperm7182 That made me laugh. Thanks. "If you want an xbox, check this box with an x"

[@AlphariousOmegon-d5d]

'worlds most powerful box' 😅

[@ezg8448]

I'm leaning toward the "Ybox" name.

[@Katastra_]

Introducing the all new BOXX

[@michaelraab7524]

Was waiting on the edge of my seat to hear Richard say “bespoke”; was not disappointed.

[@jakedizzle]

If the next Xbox acts like a prebuilt for the masses that would be a huge win.

[@gamesplayer4861]

next xbox is here its called PC

[@jarde1989]

@@gamesplayer4861 That joke is more stale than 4yo crackers I found under my bed

[@space.raider.2271]

Would it? Might as well buy an Alienware.

[@colaboytje]

Steam tried that with Steam Machines, and that never worked.

[@scheeseman486]

@@colaboytje They tried again with the Steam Deck, and it did.

[@Pablo_AG]

Console UI + Previous gen Xbox games compatibility + Steam integration on top of being a fixed HW spec for games to target and you get the perfect console

[@De1usionsofGrandeur]

I dont think they ll do steam integration think theyll do it with their Microsoft store instead to keep it all contained steam would be cool though

[@jasonwilson30]

I love my Xbox Series S. So efficient when starting up and resuming a game. I hope the integration of Windows will not slow down the system.

[@darkmaster539]

I mean... consoles are already just pcs. All the advantages come from it being a single fixed hardware setup, with specialist software. The xbox is becoming more like a steam deck and less a Playstation, but it's still a console.

[@facelessbeing6209]

Shhh, don't disturb the "pc master race" crowd. They haven't had their Capri sun yet.

[@Suters82]

Mobile phones are just “consoles” then

[@facelessbeing6209]

@Suters82 One day, every device will be a console. Ohh my lord then what?!

[@fillsbury8304]

The advantages of consoles used to be that they were plug 'n play, just put the disc in and you were off. Now you have to wait a considerable amount of time before you're able to play any game. Literally the only advantage I see on consoles over PCs, is physical games. The ability to actually own the game you paid for.

[@Suters82]

@@facelessbeing6209then no devices will be consoles

[@space.raider.2271]

If this is gonna be another cloud gaming service I'd just like to preliminarily drop my "meh" right now.

[@hahasamian8010]

I would drop an outright "eww"

[@XanderLeamon]

I would really like an xbox which runs windows, have like an Xbox big picture mode which you can load from start up. 2 in one device which adds value over playstation. If your xbox games already purchased work through the xbox launcher it would be cool. And if you want to use steam then you just go out of the xbox big picture and into normal windows. I would like a small PC that would fit in a living room anyway.

[@christiancsq]

A pc?

[@XanderLeamon]

Yeah a pc but in a small form factor and you can run an xbox mode. Hopefully also optimisation specifically for it.

[@maynardburger]

They couldn't subsidize a box like that, though. Where you could just go and buy all your games on Steam instead of from Microsoft. So you'd just be paying the same price as any other PC, or probably more for the branding.

[@weplayvrgames]

​@@maynardburgeryep this is the thing they dont get dude, eg I already have a PC and the Microsoft store is the one I use the least of all the launchers, practically don't use it at all

[@XanderLeamon]

Yeah i agree microsoft launcher is crap. If they just port over the xbox interface. Xbox already runs a stripped back windows in the background, you just cant use it.

[@jonayarrocha4009]

The comments from Sony fanboys saying: Playstation already has cloud gaming XD When was the last time you played GoW, Spiderman or Horizon on your phone, a tablet, a TV monitor without having to buy a console. Or even on PC without having to buy the game again? Microsoft has taken the lead on Cloud Gaming and triple A companies will support them because now they can sell their games on a mobile store and users can play anywhere. Meanwhile Sony is trying to maintain the same formula Console+exclusives. And the biggest change they've made is releasing their exclusives on PC just to then force pc players to open a PSN account. Microsoft is the future of gaming.

[@maynardburger]

What's with all these terrible and obvious shill posts? I dont want to play God of War on my fucking phone. lol

[@Marcus_K]

The problem is that very few people on phones, tablets or smart TVs are subscribing to GP. Most of GP's estimated around 25M-35M or so users are Xbox owners. MS won't tell you any of the real, precise numbers though, because of obvious reasons.

[@BryPs5]

Now you can console free with the portal so play ghost of Tsushima streaming on the portal for £200 bargain cheaperer than series s

[@theconsolekiller7113]

Xbox's most impressive technical leap was that refrigerator.

[@neilwilson5785]

And cloud based game streaming using Gamepass?

[@QuantumChrist]

​@@neilwilson5785, Gamepass is Anti-consumer, anti-game preservation, anti -game ownership

[@theconsolekiller7113]

@@neilwilson5785 No. Mainly just the refrigerator.

[@christophermullins7163]

​@@theconsolekiller7113what about putting a monitor on the fridge and stream games to it? 😮

[@theconsolekiller7113]

@@christophermullins7163 Aslong as it keeps the games cool.

[@chris42069]

"Every single day you have to polish it" 6:41

[@myairspace121]

If everything is an Xbox, then nothing is

[@QuantumChrist]

my poop is xbox

[@neilwilson5785]

Gamepass is Xbox now, and it is really good if you try it.

[@QuantumChrist]

@@neilwilson5785 , yuck ew, begging us to be microsoft sl.2.v.3s like you?

[@QuantumChrist]

my P00p is xbox

[@arianoooamari6949]

the PlayStation 5 is an Xbox

[@Kevdawg207]

you'd think 30yr olds can't understand different products exist for different people.

[@FuriousLegacyGaming1]

“Your toilet 🚽 is an ex-box !!” -Microsoft

[@horroRomantic444]

Maybe they are aiming for a platform independent gaming environment that can run games similar to what the original JAVA platform sought to accomplish, but it would be focused on gaming.

[@ridiculous_gaming]

A current console, being an Xbox, PlayStation or even a Switch is simply a PC with some level of hardware. I would love a PC,which could boot into a special gaming, console-like mode.

[@maynardburger]

Steam Big Picture Mode has existed for quite a while now. What you're asking for is not new. You can do it today.

[@ridiculous_gaming]

@@maynardburger but we need MS to formally do it with proper hand held support.

[@pengwin-b4x]

I hope it will be and I hope it will be affordable because most of us just want a PC but can't afford it

[@saxage]

Get something entry level and upgrade over time

[@goboltz26]

M$ ONLY got into consoles as a "Gateway" to getting more people into Windows PC's, They never have been "All-in" and only do as little as they had to so they could not loose money at it. They would Prefer GAAS (Games as a service) eg: M$-Server , M$-Office . Subscription based money makers. They will stop making an updated Console & Just tell you to get a PC/Laptop "Running Windows" in the not so distant future.

[@moodurr13]

By the time they do that, they would have made you realize that in today's technological landscape, you don't need dedicated hardware. Some ppl are starting to get it sooner than others. So until the masses realize you don't need a specific box to game AAA or Indie, they'll keep making consoles. But the future you're spelling out is real, even if it is about 10 years away.

[@AlphaladZXA]

​@moodurr13 if you mean to just stream games it won't be Microsoft or the subscriptions preventing that it will be ISPs and how unreliable/scummy those are across countries that will stop it I wouldn't expect that until 2045 at least

[@moodurr13]

@@AlphaladZXA, you might be right, but it's coming for sure. I don't see another 20-30 years of buying consoles for gaming. Gaming's accessibility is only going to grow in line with the infrastructure of ISPs

[@maynardburger]

Huh? They've lost money on Xbox since the beginning. And they actually made a pretty huge effort with the original and X360. Their failure isn't from lack of trying, simply getting greedy and losing direction.

[@DoritosBurger]

I like the way Microsoft is running their gaming division far better than what Sony is doing, so I’m rooting for them to improve their console sales.

[@AXJ23]

By what metric is far better 😂

[@MohawkV85]

​@@AXJ23gaming anywhere. Everywhere. This is a small step into something inevitable. Ppl with no foresight like u arent able to see. Look at gamepass, sony has to compete with the revamp psn plus. Basically a gamepass copycat. Xbox games on pc, ps games now on pc. Sony has no one in helm that has that kind of foresight. Netflix, dvd rental evolved to streaming, now adding pay per view. Games will evolve to be like what stadia had envisioned but failed, xbox will be everywhere. In hotel rooms, phones, all rooms with tv, all gaming handhelds. This is what sony will copy, mark my words. Its obvious gaming will go in this direction one day.

[@AXJ23]

@@MohawkV85 ppl with no foresight like me? Okay buddy I am not contesting streaming games. But people like you seem ignore the issue Xbox has. There games suck. And there aren't innovating in the actual games and development. Okay I stream games anywhere I didn't ask for that so it's a solution to a problem that isn't really a problem gamers are facing. I don't need to game when I get groceries. Do I need to game on the handful times I go on vacation? No I don't. So it's another stupid idea at this. The only solution this will solve is not needing to invest in an expensive gaming console. But again Xbox is failing they have been for awhile, so I guess let's dig the hole deeper.

[@MohawkV85]

@AXJ23 again what game suck. What. The whole world dont revolve around ur taste only. U not playing while on vacation so the world doesn't? Not only lacking foresight but exactly like how a frog in the well behaves. Get off ur high horse, never for someone like u. U are not important. The rest of the world is. Their money. Not u.

[@DoritosBurger]

@ better backwards compatibility with a larger library of older games available to players and for me that’s what is most important considering most of todays games are woke trash. You can keep your exclusives because they’re not very good anymore.

[@RetroMythologist]

I root for Xbox because competition is good. However, to be honest, I can't imagine ever being "excited" about anything from Microsoft.. ever.

[@Nitroscion]

I thought the same thing about Apple in the 90’s. They completely changed the game for them to succeed. I’m not saying it’s going to happen, but that it’s been done before.

[@fillsbury8304]

The OG Xbox and Xbox 360 says hello. In my heart of hearts, the NES will always be my favourite console, because it was the console that started a lifelong passion for me. But the two first Xbox consoles, are a close second and third, and graced the gaming world with amazing franchises like Fable, Halo and Gears of War. Not to mention the incredible effect the Xbox 360 had on nurturing indie developers, by giving them a platform to release their games on, without much expense. Microsoft, for all of their faults, were one of the major drivers in making the indie game scene explode, even before Steam.

[@mikedergalev]

One thing left - controllers. Elite V3 specifically. I hope they make it right, with HE sticks etc.

[@Powerman293]

My speculation has always been the "biggest next generation leap" is them taking whatever AI upscaling tech they have in the next xbox and using it as a "performance multiplier" in addition to the regular raster/RT performance. They can use whatever ratio they see fit upscaling to 4K and add that to the real number to claim 15x improvement or whatever

[@ilbroducciore]

Better upscaling as the “big leap” has been my suspicion too.

[@MuromachiLines]

Microsoft(not OpenAI) is developing many large language models for local computers, while ChatGPT supports only cloud computing. These AI models can make it possible to talk with NPCs. NPU is more useful than you think

[@nicodimus2222]

They did so much self-inflicted damage to the Xbox brand in 2013 that many people simply said "Welp, never buying anything from these jerks again."

[@cyxceven]

This.

[@benjaminturkalj4415]

They dont care, thwy own all the software now.

[@nicodimus2222]

@@benjaminturkalj4415 Nah, that would be Google/Android. Most people don't have a home computer these days, but everyone has a phone.

[@smwfreak1647]

@@nicodimus2222 alot of people are starting to get a home computer and almost every company/ gamer uses windows as the default operating system

[@fcukugimmeausername]

Nah, not really. Microsoft simply fumbled the most important console generation of all time; the one where people started building their digital libraries. There's much more incentive to keep with PS now as your PS4 games will work with PS5, PS5 games will work with PS6 etc.

[@Nimosomething]

100 tf with much more raytracing cores and ai upscaling could really be that Technical Leap In A Generation in 2026

[@maynardburger]

It will cost $1800 and literally zero developers would make games specifically for it. What's the point? Just buy a PC.

[@IAMjessiebristol]

I feel like the only route for Microsoft is Nvidia if they want the "biggest generational leap." AMD is just so far behind Nvidia when it comes to ML & Ray Tracing, granted we have to see what they offer for their next-gen GPU's. But I have a feeling that it still won't be able to close the gap with Nvidia.

[@chris42069]

Nvidia is a terrible company to deal with. Their reputation with investors might be good, but read up about why EVGA stopped making Nvidia cards entirely.

[@IAMjessiebristol]

@@chris42069 I think both Microsoft and Sony still has a bad taste in their mouth from dealing with Nvidia in the past. I definitely do not disagree with you.

[@KAOTICUPRISE]

You hear that MS? Use the chrome X design for your hybrid console instant seller!

[@frederickwerk2386]

It will either be an ExBox or a base Xbox which you can upgrade before buying, either way games will work but the more you upgrade = more performance resulting in nicer looking games. An Xbox for different budgets ensuring games will work fine regardless.

[@spacemanjupiter]

MS aren't dumb enough to make traditional console hardware again. They aren't in the game of losing, and they've lost the console hardware war with Sony 2 generations in a row. There won't be another traditional console. There will be a handheld and an 'Xbox PC' (however they decide to do that). Both based on PC tech. Probably some kind of prefab device, but not just a prebuilt PC. They will have PC APIs, drivers, but a console-like UI. This does several things. It throws the console hardware sales race out the window because technically it won't be a console. Therefore, It won't be competing with the PS5. No more losses for MS on that front. It also opens the device up for multi platform services (Steam, EPIC, etc..). Imagine playing PC, XBox and PS games on your XBox device. PC power, console UI and convenience, huge gaming platforms all in one place, like a PC. The premium device won't sell a lot, but they don't need to. This will allow MS to cover the 'most powerful' console-like device narrative. Release their games on all platforms so if the Xbox labeled device doesn't sell as much as a traditional console, it won't matter. Players can choose a lower end device for less money in the handheld, the 'Xbox PC' for the most power, or a PS5/6 for middle of the road traditional console hardware experience. Because remember, they don't care where you play their games. In this scenario MS doesn't lose, anywhere. People play where they want, with as much or as little power as they want, for the price point they want. Win for MS, win for the customer, and even a win for Sony. EVERYONE is happy, except for the select few that are just natural complainers, and you'll never change those people or make them happy anyway.

[@leeraym]

i’m just ready for the Native XBox HandHeld. other than that it looks like we’re headed to Microsoft Gaming as a Third Party Publisher.

[@AdmiralBison]

why bother getting an xbox handheld? There will be better handhelds - Steam Deck 2/Handheld gaming Pcs, Switch 2 and Sony. They'll get all Xbox games plus their own exclusives.

[@leeraym]

@@AdmiralBison i might have to consider this.

[@CAPS_Paranormal]

I think MS's big new console idea will be cheap-ish and small, and will rely on Azure for the "largest technological leap." I'm thinking Flight Simulator 2024 is a sort of experiment for MS to test their cloud-based processing.

[@samalton5837]

Then they're in trouble 🤣. Or that next system ain't coming until like 2030 or something. Imagine being stuck with Series S & X for six more years 😬😶

[@maynardburger]

Cloud gaming is expensive. They aren't emulating anything, they still have to design, produce and run all that on real hardware. Local compute is more affordable for the company. Hence the push to try and get more AI power into actual consumer processors and whatnot for inference.

[@kessilrun6754]

Series X was already effectively a high end PC, containing something between a 6700XT and a 6800XT. The latter being high end. We're still not even seeing 6800XT-like performance coming from it.

[@AutomaticSnake]

Xbox has the power to be the future of gaming. While playstation stays locked into a single device... terrible. Play anywhere on PC, console, handheld or streaming is the future. I want a Xbox Windows hybrid console. Right now all we know is they are working on game preservation, the biggest leap ever and also a future handheld.

[@samalton5837]

*YOU:* "Xbox has the power to be the future of gaming"-- *ME:* 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣GTAFOH

[@vibri_]

...or people can just keep buying PC games off Steam.

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

Ever heard of remote play or cloud streaming on PlayStation? And if a company as incompetent and greedy as Microsoft is the "future of gaming", we're doomed eternally.

[@jonayarrocha4009]

​@@samalton5837Me reading your comment: Another pony that doesn't want to accept the reality 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@jonayarrocha4009]

​@@RandomGamingMoments925Yeah on Playstation. When was the last time you played GoW, Spiderman or Horizon on your phone, a tablet, a TV monitor without having to buy a console. Or even on PC without having to buy the game again? Microsoft has taken the lead on Cloud Gaming and triple A companies will support them because now they can sell their game on a mobile store.

[@lugardboy]

Microsoft is a visionary valued at more than $3 trillion .... Xbox also makes more profit not revenue than PlayStation

[@m0nztam0nk]

If only someone would actually do it…a HIGH END CONSOLE…giving the ease of use, but high end perf. Target 120fps 4k and 240 for competitive titles (cod, Shooters) on EVERY game with RTX, make it 2000Bucks. I swear it would sell well, i would immediately sell my pc and buy it. PC with its launchers, patches, updates is a nightmare man…

[@smittyvanjagermanjenson182]

Too many comments suggesting the furthest reaches to make an Xbox like a PC.. instead of just buying a PC. The fluidity of the Xbox OS coming to Windows would be nice, but the console is more than likely to just be a new power house console on the market, same as it ever was. I remember when the One X dropped they said they were experimenting with the idea of a modular console next, but voted against it, because they would need to make every xbox component proprietary to maintain console optimization, and that PCs already fill the modular system space.

[@danielwoodfine-jones4915]

The future of gaming is ai plus streaming, the restraints we have today will be gone before long, meaning that betting on a physical box to play exclusives in a world of ever increasing advancement in emulation is a recipe for redundancy

[@maynardburger]

Nintendo is doing fantastic. Microsoft is simply shitting the bed over and over and thinking they can get rid of the smell by carefully hiding the poo instead of doing something so they stop shitting the bed. It's not a market problem, it's an Xbox problem. And no, AI is not 'the future' of gaming. AI will have its role(as it already does), but it's not some nebulous thing that will take over.

[@oblivieon1567]

Yeah, I've been after a living room PC for years and now have had one for a while and honestly MS is an Xbox UI away from that. They could even expand it into their Surface line and handhelds.

[@erikalvarez4516]

They should continue the Series s and Series X concept, but make them "fixed spec PCs" have a $300 entry level model, a $500 solid mid spec and then let the "Pro" model be the PC market where people can customize to their liking. All you have to do is add Windows OS

[@imacg5]

They don't want the Xbox concept to be connected to a box. They don't want "fixed spec PC". They want PC only, and the best future for Xbox is "it runs on PC". Xbox has always been a decoy for M$, now they just feel safe enough to stop pretending.

[@MakeItSimple-hs5nb]

If they can put 5700x3D cpu performance and close to 7900 GRE graphics for 700 in two years, that would be perfect

[@deoduceassassin]

Gaming just isn’t what it used to be. As a person who grew up in the late 90s through the 2000s I witnessed first hand a massive graphical leap and new gameplay mechanics. Along with the the ability to tell a story through gaming that virtually felt like watching a well made movie or tv show. Back in those days devs had to absolutely knock it out of the park or everything went to hell. Nowadays, devs who are talented have to rely on how much juice they can squeeze out of a game before it’s deemed a waste of time. That ironically encourages laziness. Half finished games and micro transactions leading the charge. But most of importantly the mystery and awe of gaming has fallen by the wayside. I remember I used to wonder what was around the corner. What new innovative game will be out. Better graphics and gameplay with each new game. We’ve now plateaued.

[@seth4321]

The late 90's through late 2000's was a heck of a run. I mean man, what an era to live through.

[@mitchellbrinkerdp]

why do people always just repeat verbatim things said in the video in the comments like it’s their own thought?

[@steven2809]

Cos they are idiots...😂

[@seth4321]

You expect people to think for themselves? Silly silly. 😛

[@mitchellbrinkerdp]

@ idk you’d think the people following a tech channel like this would be a bit smarter.

[@MrANTBIG]

M$ just needs to create a build that can be open to adding different graphic cards . and it would determine price.....

[@alilokhd4638]

Xbox turned into SaaS (software as a service). Thanks, Phil Spencer, "from gamer to gamers." i still remember that quote from power on series.

[@dante19890]

Its just gonna be a pro console. Ps6 is releasing in 4 years, then we gonna have a 3-4 year crossgen period. We gonna play current gen for like 8 more years.

[@llks1772]

Ps6 2027

[@dante19890]

@@llks1772 Its most likely that ps5 pro is marking the midpoint.

[@llks1772]

@@dante19890 agree

[@AlDim000]

Given the info that leaked during the FTC lawsuit, the recent news that ARM is developing a high end GPU, and various statements about a big generational leap, I think that the next Xbox will switch to ARM. It will also have a mobile equivalent with a bit lower performance, a bit like a handheld Series S. In the meantime Microsoft is developing a software solution to move over all games from the last 2 gens plus any current backwards compatible 360 and OG Xbox games, that was hinted at in a recent interview with Sarah Bond where she talked about a new department at MS focused on compatibility. They will probably do it in a similar way to Apple's UTM or though some other sort of emulation/virtualization. This way they can crush Sony on hardware performance and/or cost because the PS6 will keep running on AMD APUs as Sony doesn't have the software resources to move away from that for the sake of backwards compatibility with everyone's existing PS4/PS5 game libraries.

[@fzmracerx]

What if Microsoft just released an Xbox OS? It'll be like a steam big picture OS that you can install instead of Windows. That'll turn your PC into a dedicated Xbox. It would allow the consumer to make it as strong or not as strong as we want to suit our needs.

[@RaoulANT]

Uhm lol no…

[@saxage]

lmaoo my guy just stop right there😂

[@maynardburger]

But what does that gain them? Why wouldn't people just use Steam instead, which does the same thing?

[@RaoulANT]

@ Indeed. Nobody is asking for some Xbox overlay.

[@fzmracerx]

​@@RaoulANTThey can make it a free alternative to windows. PS I'm not saying I will install it. I love my high-end PC the way it is. I'm just thinking of ways Xbox can extend their market.

[@The_Ostrich]

The PS6's and Xbox Series Y's games will look 3% better at best than current gen games. Get used to the graphics we're having today folks, cause thats how its gonna stay virtually forever 💪💪

[@gorillagroddgaming]

Graphics peaked a long time ago

[@erikouwehand]

Bullshit, many new features have come out since 2019. Teraflops is not the only metric to look out for. Modern feature set in many ways is far more important and I think the most important one is a state of the art A.I upscaler on the level of DLSS.

[@AnEyeRacky]

Not true. I mean objectively not true

[@nasis.]

Agreed

[@novustaIks7525]

This

[@bradleylansiquot298]

It's got to be some inhouse tech, in tandem with AI. Visuals have peaked or at least there are very little returns at present. This Generation we just have 4k being standard and while this is nice things have yet to be on demons souls level consistently. Every game is a good looking last gen ps4 title. Nothing seems to be pushing boundaries dramatically. We are still waiting for that matrix demo like game or that unreal display on ps5 hardware. They said it took them a few months and now it's been a few years and nothing gets us there. Correct me if I'm wrong

[@Justanobody8472]

Imagine an xbox gaming pc tower with a 4090 that costs 1200-1500$. I dont think itl happen until the next windows

[@LucasCosta-sn7od]

I hope MS use another name than "series" on the next generation consoles. Personally, I prefer xbox 720

[@jorgeehernandez6930]

The only problem I have with everything is a Xbox is a I don’t want to rent games. If I can own my games and play it everywhere sure I’m happy.

[@GetERekted]

Latest price of NiVIDIA gpu: $1000 Latets amd cpu price: $450. Potential price of new Xbox that will be considered a high end pc: $600.

[@SoloEmpireOfficial]

Xbox is Cannabalizing their own brand. They’re making the “TV” mistake again. All they had to do was say Xbox isn’t going anywhere, but XCloud is the future”. That makes Waaaaaay more sense.

[@rogeliomguardiola]

In my perspective is cause the program for game pass you could have it every we're mentioned such PC tablet phones etc 😊

[@Justanobody8472]

I dont understood why they dont just make their own gaming pc.. i wanna buy a pc, but i have to worry about parts and specs and its all just so much to keep up with.. just make a native microsoft tower series

[@mandrews6282]

I actually like playing couch and big screen sometimes despite having a PC. As someone who’s wanted Valve to take another crack at a console like device again, lol, I’d absolutely buy an XBox that was essentially just mid to high end PC with XBox slapped on the label. PC has been outpacing consoles for new player growth for a few years now and is more popular than ever. There is definitely a market for this stuff. And it would net them all of Sony’s titles that go to PC as well automatically. I am curious if this would change Sony’s strategy there. But having an all in one XBox, Steam, Epic, GoG, whatever, machine would be kind of awesome and I hope those rumors are true. If they just mean better cloud gaming I’ll be disappointed honestly.

[@acardenasjr1340]

MSFT should allow us to upgrade the CPU and GPU block, that way they can spend money on the MOBO and keep the system running past five years. ALA AMD MOBOs that didn't need to upgrade with every CPU generation released.

[@maynardburger]

What you're asking for is a PC. Those exist already.

[@urazoktay7940]

Amazing video, thank you Digital Foundry.

[@nickrooney6206]

I’d like to see when they’re gonna announce the next Xbox… I wouldn’t mind paying $700 for something that has three times the power of the PS5 pro …

[@KenFat2]

I think they regret having ever said “largest generational leap” and I don’t expect much on their future hardware, PC is the best way to game on Xbox gamepass…if you can afford one.

[@raisinmancereal]

Nintendo would so make that giant X alarm. Ideas not that far from Alarmo.

[@itsalwaysdarkestbeforethes1198]

I think all consoles should have multiple SKUs. Make a shitty one for poor peeps, the base for the majority, and pros for the enthusiasts. Refresh the line up of all 3 at the mid gen point. Keep the cpu and ram same on all 3 and let the GPU be the difference.

[@ScribblyDave]

Obviously Xbox means a leap in a 500 - 600 dollar console. Not a PC that eclipses what most console owners can justify for a gaming setup. People who play on 1500 - 2000 PCs 100% of the time forget the cost involved. Most 500 dollar PCs aren’t capable of what a 500 dollar console is on launch. And they sure as shit aren’t as easy to set up, use etc.

[@spazco8669]

xbox always said they will still make hardware. Repeatedly. the only difference is, now they are not in the market to sell 100 million consoles, and they have proven they don't need to in order to be successful. huge difference between designing a console to sell as many as possible and lock people into your ecosystem and designing one as an option (one of many) into your ecosystem.

[@AXJ23]

Calling it now, most likely will be cloud gaming. They can't compete on traditional consoles so they will make a cheap stream box and you will play via cloud.

[@nitroxide17]

Why was the 360 so successful? Is there anyway to reproduce that?

[@AzaiaMonota]

Because Sony dropped the ball with the PS3. Only if Sony messes up again.

[@FoxUnitNell]

It was a multi processor gaming machine when single core rigs were still popular and the online and free games forever from the xbox live games for gold members was very nice over this gens online services.

[@zerosam5541]

Ps3 still outsold it

[@maximumpower6165]

​@@zerosam5541and it was eating dust

[@moodurr13]

It technically was not a success - it was loved for sure but the red ring of death and the fact that Sony outperformed it physically in performance as well as in sales near the end of it's generation would spell that the 360 was not as successful as ppl a touting it as. It was however, proof positive for Microsoft that there is a future in gaming. They just need to focus on getting ppl to buy in.. and $20 game everywhere on everything is far more compelling that creating barriers of entry like a console. Gamepass will be the future Sony knows it that why the PS portal is now supporting cloud play independent of your PlayStation. 20 years ago we had antennas on .3MP dumb phones now we can AAA game on these devices and stream anything @ 4k quality... and it's only going to get more technologically advanced as the years go by.

[@L4J4]

Dedicated OS for the games running PC hardware aka the XBOX OS/XBOX APP - then it's viable as an idea.

[@patrickliao8990]

If they actually make cloud gaming that good that can keep upgrading hardware behind the scenes, I am more than willing to pay for $20 a month (which is what it costs to have XGPU? Or a bit more?) to play my games anywhere. $20 a month means that two years of subscriptions costs the same as a new xbox BUT with a big library of games free of charge, and they actually make the hardware better on the cloud. True, I don't "own" my xbox anymore in this sense, but after a couple of years these consoles are getting remotely disabled with old store shutdowns and game vendors no longer producing games for them, and it's been a while since they stopped allowing users to re-purpose old gaming consoles, so I don't really care.

[@KeirGevo]

Dedicated hardware will always be better

[@newjackgaming88]

i mean xbox does emulate like a pc dont believe me look into dev mode

[@Simi69]

The next Xbox and PS6 need a massive uplift in cpu capability. 120-144hz needs to become the base point for multiplayer console games and single player games need to feel more immersive, swaying trees destructible environments etc. It can't just be ai upscaled 8k 60hz with slightly better ray tracing.

[@propeldragon]

144hz is off the table. What modern TV has that support?

[@ASK-nl4gv]

Hisense/Samsung/TCL all have 144hz panels currently. lG oleds run 120 as well. I would say in a several years time there will be a bunch more.

[@WhoIsLost]

Might as well buy a PC at that point since that’s what you’re describing

[@colaboytje]

What if MS is thinking of integrating Xbox into TV's? That they are working together with TV manufacturers to make the TV itself a gaming platform. Xbox branded TV's. If I were head of the gaming division , I would decide to bring one last dedicated console, with the best hardware that fits in it, and sell it at a loss. Make a final statement

[@lugardboy]

When Netflix went streaming way, naysayers did not see that vision. Now naysayers are watching movies on streaming

[@techsamurai11]

Thinking about this more, I wouldn’t mind Xbox running on Ps6. That means I can buy a PS6 Pro immediately and run both games on it. One less device. However, I would not be surprised if the PS6 cost $1,000 if it runs both and the PS6 Pro $1,500. Maybe it’s cheaper to have 2 devices of equal power.

[@bogstandardash3751]

You can do that now(ISH). Halo, gears and Forza are coming to ps5. The only question is when.

[@techsamurai11]

@@bogstandardash3751 yeah, it definitely gives the nod to PS6 and I’m guessing there will be no Xbox exclusives. That makes Game pass a really weak proposition as you have to give up a console and the Sony exclusives. Plus Sony will probably stop porting games to PC soon. They can release them when they want like 5-10 years later.

[@SDSOverfiend]

Richard finally getting them teeth whitened a little. Made no sense you seen all that green foliage and screen space but couldn’t see the green in your mouth..

[@realzob9148]

could make the biggest negative generational leap and brand a 16bit xbox?

[@GolfWhisky]

There is a reason why I still play on my XSX, despite having a 7800X3D and a 4080S. The more fanatical PC gamers are in absolute denial as to why that would be, so there is no point discussing it here. I'm sure Microsoft, the average PC gamer and the average console gamer get it though.

[@adanys]

I'm here for it lets here it. I'll tell you why I do it. Because my xbox games never/hardly ever crash. Just turn on and play right where you left off. When gaming on my PC I spend a third of the time trying to figure out why one of my games are crashing a startup. Whether its cloud saves, hardware connection notifications, driver updates, always something.

[@D4C_LoveTrain1]

​@@adanyssounds like you're doing something wrong and should just quit PC gaming. stick to consoles, no point being mad at something you can't handle, you have the choice not to use it 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@zerosam5541]

Maybe its cuase you don't acutely have a 4080 and a high end ryzen pc and brought a trash pc I smell another console player pretedning to have a high end pc

[@zerosam5541]

@@adanys skill issue

[@techsamurai11]

@@zerosam5541yeah, a pc is so expensive. A plumber making 1 million a year could never afford one…

[@AlphariousOmegon-d5d]

Well merica isn't known for it's innovation

[@SeijuroHiko-vx3lw]

Xbox took the place of SEGA, and it's ending like SEGA.

[@Kevdawg207]

Ending like Sega, with the highest profit margin of the big 3 making substantially more money than it's competition. 💀 Okie dokie

[@SeijuroHiko-vx3lw]

@@Kevdawg207 They make money on softwares, not hardwares. SEGA makes softwares.

[@Kevdawg207]

@SeijuroHiko-vx3lw Microsoft has never made money on hardware. But there's a real big difference between Sega as a third party publisher and MS as a current media empire.

[@MrTD714]

Idiot stop listening to all these channels that shit on xbox its far from the truth

[@WaxDat8800]

@@SeijuroHiko-vx3lwdo your self a favor and ask Sony what business they are in😂😂😂😂😂😂I can’t with these Ponys.

[@philipberlanda]

I believe it will still be a console. They will just be as good as they can make it. Within reason. They probably have people making the console and there's probably people making games for it. Probably We will see cross gen games for quite a while when it comes out. If they can get them to work on the series s. Or they could go the otherway and completely just forget about last gen for next gen only games. Id assume if a game is being designed for the series consoles they will just keep the games cross gen. Because devolopment time takes so long.

[@JonathanPerez-yf3zx]

According to the sources ps6 is going to be the most powerful console out the 2 so xbox better get working but honestly xbox might just be a publisher by that time

[@RhinoXpress]

Its clear microsoft wants xbox to be an ecosystem.

[@LEE90s]

Xbox if you are not doing exclusive, atleast give us the most powerful console like one x, ps5 pro is currently have that title

[@facelessbeing6209]

It's either going to be genius or a massive fuck-up.

[@ponraul1221]

An Xbox opened to 3rd party stores like Steam and GOG, as well as modding (off Xbox live of course) would be awesome. I believe there's a niche between traditional consoles and PC that has a balance of consistent console hardware, performance and lifespan with the openness of PCs.

[@mastersofurmouth]

Sony put out a 1200 dollar console recently in Australia. I bought it day one. Died day 2. Been enjoying my PS3 lately instead 😅😢

[@nightmareedge657]

This is due to Sony parity issues because of market share.

[@speakez12]

if they built a pc with a console experience it would kill the gaming industry but only if they allow steam on it.

[@christophermullins7163]

Bro what?! Not a chance lol

[@haylonix]

It would be amazing, but there is a reason no company has solved the pc in the living room yet. Too many games on steam that have no or very compromised controller support for example.

[@saxage]

@@haylonix that’s cap, I play with both a ps5 and Xbox one controller on my PC and it works fine both wired and wirelessly not sure what your on about, quite the contrary actually.

[@haylonix]

@@saxage I have my PC hooked up to a TV, there are many games that have a PC centric UI or no controller support. Bauldurs gate 3 and New World didn’t have controller support until the console versions launched for example.

[@jhowlett1264]

consoles was always a pc with custom os

[@istvanzadori1397]

But if they give up the xbox console, they are losing the xbox console platform, so 3rd party publishers no longer are releasing any games under their xbox brand. It's still a lot of money, no? So they definitely need an xbox hardware. Also they need hardware to support cloud gaming too. If they not upgrading their cloud hardware no one will use it. So i think they probably doing a new hardware for the cloud and selling it like thd 10th gen cbic for those who's prefer playing games on dedicated hardware not via cloud.

[@dbeardsley0]

I'll probably buy one, but I'll wait to see if it's really worth it over my series x

[@annonannnonymus]

The “largest generational leap” is a skynet console 😅😂😂

[@sdngy]

A surface xbox for their hybrid / portable console? 😂

[@Suters82]

It’ll be AI… same one that powers MS flight sim!

[@0ni0ng0ld-g6i]

0:36 yes

[@kainairsoft2331]

Xbox will probably make a smart device with scaled back hardware ; but added AI upscaling and frame gen. We'll see if they adopt FSR or make their own upscaler like PS. Expansive hardware will only bring diminishing returns with slight changes in image quality and performance.

[@naywahn]

*SHOWS PS6* This is an Xbox with a "generational leap"!

[@rickray1951]

The living room isn't the living room anymore. Microsoft isn't going to shoot for good enough. They want Xbox on everything and everywhere

[@levernarethomas2505]

Funny how Xbox always in a weird situation but Sony never is .