Is Your Small Guitar Amp loud enough? #1

Today we are trying the Krank 1980jr, Blackstar HT20, Fender Superchamp X2, Peavey Classic 20H, Marshall 2061, Mesa Boogie Rectoverb 25.
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[@joepisciottajr5841]

Why would anyone dislike this video. Phillip goes out of his way to take the guess work in buying an amp for everyone. Who does that? Phil you're a class act, this was a huge video for me as I wondered this myself. I have yet to buy an amp for my Home Studio but now the picture has become clear. Off to watch part 2.

[@jacobwhitus3715]

+Joe Pisciotta Jr Haters gonna hate.

[@michaelanewman]

I've wandered the same thing... Bunch of negative Nancy's

[@projectptube]

Have you ever heard of a situation where people unanimously agree? I just doesn't happen.

[@deanmccaskill5495]

Phil is maybe my favourite guitar guy on KZbin. Maybe my favourite guy on KZbin altogether. Phil X I like too. Does the spelling of favourite look weird to anyone else?

[@ebookpioneers]

"Phillip goes out of his way to take the guess work in buying an amp for everyone." Well, anyone who wants a very raunchy alt rock kind of sound anyway.

[@matthaycroft]

I was thinking "Why are these old dudes playing these songs?" then I realised, I'm an old dude too...

[@necronorris]

Yeah. The old "oh we are old now" realization.

[@AnthonySG0113]

After all these years.., I still come back and watch this video. It is a great learning tool!

[@michaelcrawley5211]

You know this was a legit comparison I loved this I haven't seen anything like the before. Completely amazing! Phillip.. you hit it head on with this idea AWESOME and thank you!

[@achimhoon6913]

Very insightful. I've been playing a 20 watts Engl Ironball head and an Engl 2x12 cab for two years now. I never even have the master half way up on stage. In rehearsals, I usually have to back it down to about 9 o'clock and it still cuts through like a charm. I'm playing mostly heavy rock, by the way. So the drummers I'm playing with hit hard.

[@newsflash66]

One of the best amp comparisons I've ever seen on youtube...and I watch a lot of them! Hearing the amps played in a live performance setting, and hearing the band's opinion helps a lot.

[@Tolman18]

Great collection of 90's cover songs!!! :)

[@ArchDukeOfTops]

What a great idea for a comparison video. Keep 'em coming Phil!

[@davidking1371]

I upgraded my Blackstar HT20 combo with a Celestion Neo Creamback speaker - now sounds incredible. Cuts through with ease. Rounded tone amazing crunch. DONT give up on the HT20, best small amp I've used for rehearsal and gig by far (with the simple upgrade)

[@bradcarroll3719]

First time I've seen a test this relevant! Thank you

[@damonwrothe]

the more I watch Phil McKnight the more I like him.. informative and entertaining. I would have liked to see the mustang V thrown in the mix.

[@carlsmith1263]

Damon Rothermel My lead player uses a mustang amp 4 I think, it is a solid state I'm sure. I got a customized crate flexwave w angled 4x12s, put 2 British speakers and 2 regular celestions also made it so it can split channels and play 2 12s on either side so I can totally change the amp side to side or all 4 12s at a time. Thanks to my instrument tech, if I lost that guy my life would suck lol.

[@gtar5191]

I have the mustang V. v1 it would be overkill but also have superchamp Xd dialed in at basic levels it will roar clean just gotta tweak with looper playing while standing as far back as you can . Although mustang V could double as a pa for drums and keyboards because of stereo input and stereo speaker output

[@daftdoggo7662]

The fact they played Smashing Pumpkins was amazing

[@enorbet2]

KZbin audio is highly compressed so not a great forum for a shootout BUT you made the best of it by an excellent mode of comparison giving wide ranged perspectives. Good Job.

[@TheJstewart2010]

This is one of the coolest gear reviews I've ever seen. Talk about going the distance by showing an amp's performance in a band context. Props to the guys for coming in and doing this for everyone's benefit. I would have picked the Peavey personally, but to each their own.

[@roberteasleysr9108]

This is this the best comparison video I have seen !! Thank you Phillip , great idea to use a band to compare . Keep them coming !!!

[@michaelmcgaffigan5445]

I love all the 90s songs they played

[@PoJoWo]

These are the kind of shootouts that count because they inform of a real scenario, fair play! Very impressed with how the peavey classic jumped out

[@dualactionriffdevice]

Great comparison video man. short, sweet and you can hear the difference. Well done..

[@sgrocker1]

Here’s the issue. When the guitar takes off by itself, the sound is clear. But,when the drums kick in, you can here the compression on video camera take over. The sound volume drops and turns very muddy. It probably didn’t do that live, but it did on the recording.

[@wildcardiowa1994]

I always see comments Like " it works for club gigs but you might want something larger for out door gigs" why ? no ones ever heard of monitors ! most national acts don't even have live amps on stage- I've opened for lots of them. Been playing a long time and have done many large outdoor shows. Have never needed more than a small combo amp.

[@jeebusyaweirdo3733]

That is why I giggle about this. In reality, you should just hire a good sound man and utilize the mic and floor monitors.

[@chrisknoblock]

I have a one hundred watt with a single 12 combo amp that blows the doors off any venue I've ever taken it to, I really don't need anything else.

[@calamaya48]

In 1983 I went on the road with a 100 watt Half Stack. We had a sound tech that told me, "That's too loud. If you turn it down I can get you in the mains."Turn down? Nah, but I'm accomodating guy, so I set up a 35 watt Vibrolux. "Too loud."So I borrowed a 25 watt Carvin combo. "Still too loud."By now I was getting frustrated and as an attempt at malicious compliance, put the mic on a 15 watt Squier practice amp. "Perfect!"It was a revelation. I bought a 15 watt Marshall Studio 15 and have played it before huge audiences. By the way, that sound tech now mixes FOH for Blake Shelton.

[@urbanesoul8400]

Yeah I use a 15 watt Traynor Dark Horse head through the Traynor can with a 12" Greenback in it, & it's perfect for both jamming & live play. I use pedals for gain as well, only clean from the amp. Quite loud enough :-)

[@brucelk19]

Philipp Berry just made me feel better bout My peavey 15 watt.. not a tube amp though just vypyr 15:( love it though won’t be gigging anytime soon But wondered how it would measure up.. just wish it had a 10 or 12 instead of an 8 inch speaker

[@hino-ucanada4506]

Could you imagine sound guys telling Townsend or Hendrix to turn down? You know what you get with 15W through a PA? Stale boring sound not controlled by you. I play my amp as much as my guitar and for that you needs watts not a PA.

[@omarflores323]

Yup!!!! I ended up just not carrying an amp. Just a good pedal board with a DI box. It just run thru monitors. Fuck it!

[@plumbummusic2051]

@@hino-ucanada4506 PAs weren't even a thing that handled guitars at the time Townshend and Hendrix played, so of course they needed all those 100w heads and 4x12 stacks so they'd still be heard clearly and with a pretty clean signal across hundreds of meters from the huge venues and festivals they were playing. By today's needs and standards, that's fairly obsolete and pedantic. You'd also sound more stale and boring with a 100w head up to 1-2 on the master volume than a cranked 15/20w small valve head

[@dynosnortfuss5799]

A great way to experience what these different amps will do in a real world setting. Thanks!

[@snwbrdr65]

"Is your PA loud enough?" Great concept. Would like to hear the same tune with different amps to get better comparison. Great video!

[@PhillipMcKnight]

FYI, if you have pop up blocker or using phone, or tablet you will not see the information about each amp.

[@SRNF]

+Phillip McKnight Actually I still see everything but I will turn off my adblocker for your channel. Thanks for the reminder.

[@Darthstang2]

Having a popup blocker is good because this video is annoying!

[@daleweber2579]

It's not really pop up blocker Phil. Has to do with the browser person is using. Trying, using Internet explorer post your videos on twitter then try watching. It doesn't support playback. Sometimes it's the cookies and also Flash player.

[@igotabsyouprobablydont6085]

+Rusty Rutherford Hahahaha

[@NateB1976]

#SupportLocalArtandMusic #SupportYourBands

[@PhillipMcKnight]

+Nate Brenneman Thank you for posting.

[@metalcore2677]

Phillip McKnight that band was good.

[@DamianHelme]

Really useful. Thanks Philip and the band. Please keep 'em coming.

[@trevortwigg1384]

This series has been really valuable! Thanks so much for doing this. Been wanting to trade my 60 watt for a newer 15 I liked the sound of better.

[@doctorskull8197]

Thank you for producing this great video! I love it‼️😎🔥🎸. My Fender Super Champ x2 is being delivered today. Hope it can deliver the noise I crave‼️

[@guitarpoetone1]

Thanks Phil this is one of the best informative videos for tryout amps for guitar playing in a band situation that's great showing the clean and the overdrive channel 👍 please do more if u can yer the only one thanks

[@gustavoavila1982]

This guys are my kind of rock connoisseurs!!

[@strngldr]

This is the way all amps should be demo'd ..... Thank you for making the most relevant video ever.

[@jamespatterson884]

remember raising the cab off the floor, closer to a direct line with the average height of the listener will increase perceived volume and projection.

[@larrydrozd2740]

In 1981, I bought a Music Man 100 RD amp. Tiny little thing. 100 watss, one 12" EV 12 L speaker. Weighs a TON. It's the ONLY amp I've had since. Through all the gigs in Chicago playing covers, to my original band in Austin, Texas. For 36 years.... thats it. Time and again I would be laughed at as I wheeled my little amp in front Marshall Stacks during the 80's metal years only to see the look of astonishment after our set at how LOUD and clear and awesome that little amp was. The only effect I used was a Whammy 2 pedal for a few years, otherwise, straight in. I still use this amp to this day in my cover band. All those bands with the giant stacks got rid of them now and play these little amps. Great work Phillip, I really enjoy your posts!

[@eSkilliam]

Had to stop for a minute and appreciate that they were basically playing the soundtrack from my teens and 20s… Including my favorite from that era “Plowed”…

[@jakescheck9047]

Hey i really loved the video good job dude. This actually helps me out a lot because i have a blackstar HT20 and it just doesnt cut it at practices (no PA) and hearing it from an outside perspective really helps me see that its not just me, it is the amp.

[@BradHilton1963]

Loved the video , but it really wasn't clear which amps you were using other than the Marshal. May some text on screen? Which amp was the winner?

[@bobboitt3126]

Loved it keep them coming please!

[@BobSoloMan]

Well done! Thank you to Tattooed Step-Sister and to McKnight Guitar Co. For the video. Next....the high gain version! 😎

[@CaptPostmod]

Love the concept. I'd like to see another installment with a few different selections. An Orange Micro Terror would definitely top the list.

[@lothar34]

For rock and distorted tones, most 20 watt tube amps are capable of drowning out a drummer, but for strictly clean playing, it just may not be loud enough for a full band. Just my experience.

[@PhillipMcKnight]

+Lothar ThirtyFour This is one of the big questions. We are going to do a clean shout out. If you have some suggestions of ones you think may or may not make it. Let me know. I have a rough idea of some of the ones I am going to use. But input is welcome. Thank you for watching and posting.

[@lothar34]

No suggestions really, I love the channel. I just wanted to point that out about clean tones, because I see so many people ask the question in various forums and someone will answer with something like "oh yeah- 10 watts will keep up w/ a drummer no problem". But the first guy didn't specify what style he plays and the 2nd guy didn't ask. Everyone just assumes rock/metal, but a clean country or jazz guy probably isn't going to be able to turn 10-20 watts up loud enough (while remaining clean) to be heard in a mix.

[@Luis-yr6fj]

well it depends of the class of the amp, quality, speakers,et.c a lot of bands use a fender deluxe reverb....

[@oscarbirdofficial]

boost through effects loop?

[@lawrencegenereux8567]

Oscar Bird Music If you need to keep it clean, it won't help. The power amplifier in the amp and the efficiency of the speaker system are the limiting factors when dealing with clean tones. Boosting the signal in the effects loop will only get you into distortion at a lower preamp setting.

[@cirjames2540]

Philip, this is one of the best videos out-period. Thank you!

[@JRP3music]

I have used an Orange Micro Terror and a MusicMan HD 150 on low power to play live with a band. We always mic'd it anyways. I was always able to hear my amps on stage. They were even run through the monitors. I used 1x12 cabs, I play in stereo. I sometimes used an Electro Harmonix 44 Magnum and the Orange Micro Terror. They were fine as well. Now, I run through a stereo pair of Orange Micro Terrors with either my stereo 4 x12 or pair of 1x12 cabs. It is plenty loud. I even have the volumes of the overdrive section of my pedal board attenuated with a volume box. I do not really have to crank the amps to hard to get plenty of volume. The Orange Micro Terrors are no joke.

[@knucklebut420]

Once again this proves that....there is every other amp...then there is MARSHALL......Thank you for LOUD father JIM.....and thank you for all the great vids..Phillip..8-)

[@DucksDeLucks]

The loudness is determined by the speaker(s) as much as the amp. Also the type of music and the size of the club. Speaker efficiency is rated in db per one watt input measured at one meter. 100 dbw is high efficiency, 90 is low. Larger speakers tend to be more efficient and multiple speakers are more efficient than singles. Each 10db requires ten times the power. So going from a 90 dbw speaker to 100 dbw is like going from 10 watts to 100 watts. Clean takes more rated power than dirt because amps can put out more power at the cost of distortion. That is why tube and solid state watts aren't equivalent. Tubes sound much better than ss when driven into distortion so this is done intentionally, but not so much when playing clean.The drop-off in volume with distance from the speaker depends on how reverberant the room is, how high the ceiling, how many bodies, etc. I'll see if I can get some info on that. But 15 tube watts with the right cab should be loud enough for most clubs.

[@green323turbo]

They used the same 12" Jenson speaker for each amp.

[@TimpBizkit]

Yeah, a 15 watt tube amp driven to clipping is probably outputting nearly 30 watts. A 15 watt solid state amp sounds nasty when clipping so it is driven to its maximum clean capacity and given an overdriven guitar effect instead, producing only its rated 15 watts or less.

[@jessebfly]

Yeah, I use mostly all 18w amps or less....I'm currently digging just using a tweed deluxe these days with a mild overdrive basically set to unity to give it a slight boost. Plenty of volume - especially mic'd up, but man the tone. The biggest crime is convincing young, new guitar players to buy big wattage amps. Most players are clueless on how to use gear, and when they finally get a gig the band is so f'n loud it drives the customers out the door! As venues keep drying up and being replaced by an ipod or a DJ, we players must spread the gospel on lower stage volume to preserve live music. It makes you a better player as well. AMEN! :)

[@JohnnyOrgan]

I LOVE THIS CHANNEL! Keep up the great uploads. Subscribed yesterday.

[@OddTimeMan]

For rehearsals with my band, I use a ZT Lunchbox amp with a compact custom 112 cab. Very small, portable, lightweight rig...and plenty of clean headroom. The amp's distortion doesn't have much gain to it, so I use pedals.

[@MRay-zj4ro]

Awesome comparison, man. I've been looking at a 25w Supro Black Magick and this eased my concern a bit. That Marshall 2061 though!!! Unbelievable!!! Great job! :)

[@1GuilhermeAlmeida]

Thank you very much! It really helped me a lot! My doubt was if I could purchase a marshall 40C (1x12" combo) to use in small gig (50 to 100 peaple maximum) or rehearsals. And now I know that the answer is yes. If with a 20W amp you can get that louder, imagine with a 40W marshall. Thank you again my friend!

[@teamhex]

I have a 5 watt Champ 600 that I chopped. I use it to drive a 4x12 cab. Works great and gets loud enough for any indoor jam. I'm not 100% if the headroom would be a problem, but it's worked pretty well back when I used it.

[@robd754]

that was the best way to sample the amps.. great idea. i have gone through a lot of these comparison videos and the y usually leave me more confused, not this time. cheers

[@danielsgrunge]

That's a nice video Sweet selection of songs too Didn't expect to hear Breed there lol Love it

[@joelborden3242]

I liked the band. I also liked the format of the comparison.

[@Stvk730]

Marshalls are known for punching through a band mix very well, this is because they have a strong midrange (the most important range for a guitar), and cut out a lot of lower bass to prevent it from sounding muddy. That way it stays punchy. That can really make the difference when you're pushing them to the limit. Marshall do have very specific classic tone, you either love it or hate it. I also really liked the Krank, sounds quite modern, but nice and balanced. 15-20 watts of tube power should be enough rehearsal without mic-ed amps, as long as you dont depend too much on pristine cleans or very bass heavy metal sounds. Speaker efficiency and number of speakers also make a big difference. If you go from 1 inefficient speaker to 2 efficient speakers you might end up gaining 8-12dB, which is a LOT!

[@brinepacer]

Hey Phil, I'm making my way through all your videos. You might have seen some of my comments. I really appreciate that you tell it straight and you give a fuck about what you're doing beyond "how can i make money from this channel". I really respect that. Anyways, this video really made me want to go out and play in a covers band! I'm getting to that age man. Anyways, have a good weekend. Keep 'em coming!

[@luizaro]

Cool idea man, thanks for bring it up!

[@montys8th]

Brilliant idea for a video!

[@damiendelvallee7256]

We need more reviews like that! Great job

[@tomduckworth8335]

I liked this but I would have liked a brief 30 second close up of the amp with a little over view of it's build. I have a Fender Band Master and a 50 watt Marshall and I have two smaller hand made amps one about 20 watts and a 15 watt 6V6 built into a old 1950s Carvin 1 X12 combo and with pedals the little amps are very usable for gigs. This was very nice pretty much real world a crowd might make some difference because when you get bodies in the room that absorbs quite a bit of sound. Now I must watch the second one. Great Job

[@chrissamson3013]

Marshalls tend to be loud due to the narrower bandwidth of their output transformers. No surprise there. Nice video!

[@thishigh]

I love small amps! This is a Cool Vid.

[@altoid8450]

Plowed surprised me. Awesome man!!!! Takes me back.......

[@joshuaroland6446]

Wow, great idea for a video. Glad you could pull it off.

[@slashaholicanonymous]

Great idea! Loved this video (And vid #2). Recommend you add Jet City (JCA 20/22), Orange Tiny/Dark Terror, and maybe a VHT or Vox low wattage amp to the lineup if you do this again.

[@edwardlouisbernays2469]

I absolutely "LOVE" this video! I am using Ad Blocker (s) and was seeing the On Screen info. I no longer hit the (Thumbs Up) like because IT FILL MY CHANNEL FULL OF EXTRA STUFF and the CHANNEL where FAVORITES is stored is EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to REMOVE 'LIKES" It actually DEGRADES THE PERFORMANCE to have 500+ damned "LIKES" stored. I have actually had to CREATE OTHER CHANNELS to relieve AGGRAVATING SLOWNESS in my Channel.

[@urbanesoul8400]

Nice to hear those guys. I grew up listening to all that music, lol. I used to play some of those covers too but mostly just my original stuff nowadays :-)

[@tjnugent62]

Call me nuts, but I liked the tone of the Champ. I could hear all the instruments clearly when the guitarist was using the Champ. Learning to play at a volume that compliments the band, not just loud. The Beatles had to learn to play together and learn dynamics.

[@rexhargrove5172]

I’m way late to the party on this one, but what a great idea for a video.

[@chucknowakowski6676]

Awesome vid Philip.......can't wait to hear a blues junior vid, seeing I own one and curious to see how it projects live......

[@Cam_B]

Now THIS is my kind of cover band!

[@George_K.]

I've been following your channel for several years and I wish you did more of these

[@jeffreylane73]

Man, great idea for a video Phillip...picking up a Fender SS22 this week...totally confident it'll have enough output for my band.

[@hankrocks7504]

That was a sick video! Cool of you to add some local talent into it !

[@soulshaker68]

I agree that Marshall was killer.... but way to much for home use. LOL.... Then again, I don't like some of my neighbors, so it's not a bad idea. Seriously though, for me that Krank seemed to be a great choice. The price was reasonable and it had some punch. I also noticed the highs were much clearer than others. If I sell my two amps, I would not mind picking one of those up.

[@GeorgeSPAMTindle]

I have a 1 Watt (Yes, just ONE Watt) Marshall combo. This has a selector on it so that I can have just 0.1 Watts if needed to keep it quiet, on the full power setting it is loud enough to gig with in some small venues, anywhere bigger it gets miced up through the PA. SOund brilliant.

[@crustybass75]

what a great video. The band was great

[@hhectorlector]

love the use of captions

[@CesarAllGuitar]

Good video and a real demo. Respect , Phillip.

[@bendari]

I really liked the KRANK jr. and the Marshall.

[@Marshallsatten]

I had a small Marshall with a 10" speaker and probably 12 watts that I used at home. It was solid state, which surprised me, but when I drive a bridge humbucker through an old Metal Zone 2, using only the gain and no distortion, it sounded very good. It was loud enough for a large living room. I usually play bass, and need more wattage and a cleaner sound.

[@ALANPANNELLA]

The Marshall 2061 made the band sound better IMO

[@rhykko77]

Very cool test dude !

[@rigorhead01]

Great video idea! Great way to do a shootout!

[@secondthought2320]

Thanks guys, gave a truly comparable test!!

[@marsattacks7071]

Marshall = #1 ! Thanks for the video !

[@low_e_music]

Great video! The Marshall was definitely my favorite. Would be interesting to see how the Jet City 20/22H would stack up. I have the 22H and it is LOUD.

[@scottmatheson2390]

I thought the little Peavey cut through the mix well and the guitarist got a good sound out of it.I believe the Marshall given the description,is potentially the best amp of the bunch but I don't feel like it was shown in it's best light in this vid. To my ears it had too much of this obnoxious upper midrange frequency happening. The Boogie is another potential winner but in this instance it sounded too flabby in the low end.

[@Ycontrol_]

They band is having fun playing with their friends. Thats all that should matter when playin in a band

[@raymonblodgett4537]

I like the Marshall but $2000. Many years ago I had a Highwatt Bull Dog with one 12 that sounded great. I use to just mic it and run thru the sound board. The Orange Micro Terror or Dark does ok and is a easy small back up amp to pack for gigs, and only around $250 with a small cabinet. Nice video 🎸🎶

[@billdahl7962]

Great songs you guys are playing! Good ideas for gigs!

[@AvocaSingleTrack]

@4:21 it's the EL84's . I played lots of bars and clubs in the early 90's thru around'01 , 200 to 1500 people with a Mesa Studio 22 and then later with a Mesa Subway Rocket 25 watt. Both amps had EL84 , they were never blazing loud but always cut thru with a band and sounded good . Those 25 watt tube amps also sound great thru a 4x12 marshall slant cab laid on its side for some L/R separation .

[@SuperRoggerRabbit]

I had the same "Idea", was going to create a channel to test gear in actual band situations ... guess I don't need to do that anymore! Thanks Phill great video, looking forward to more!

[@wolfman6489]

Great video and they played DAMMIT WOOOO

[@popcultureinelchuco]

this was incredibly helpful.

[@FangPaw]

Human volume perception is logarithmic, not linear (hence the use of log pots for volume knobs). Generally speaking, you need to increase the power output by a factor of 5-10-fold to double the perceived volume. In other words, a 50w amp will only sound twice as loud as a 5w amp. If your small amp isn't quite loud enough, check your speaker specs - you might have speakers that only produce (say) 89 dB at 1 metre for 1 watt input. Replacing them with more efficient speakers will increase the volume - every 3dB increase represents a doubling of sound intensity. Or just mic your amp through the PA.

[@Marzen216]

Wow, finally some real world data on using amps in a live setting. Most local bands have to deal with exactly this kind of situation. More so if you're the opening act and have to use some of the headliners gear. No one is your friend at 2:30am and you need to lug a big Twin up a narrow flight of stairs. Small amps are the shit for a reason. More clubs need a decent monitor system so I can DI straight into the board and use my little amp as a personal monitor. Thanks Phil.

[@daleweber2579]

I now what players say about headroom of an amp. The extra five watts from Mesa recto 25 diffidently helped and made band sound better.

[@shan2un]

That marshall is 2 grand for a reason. As a viewer i cannot confirm volume levels, but it seemed to be the only one that cut through at the benchmark ~20 watts within a band scenario. This coming from a proud owner of a recto 25, mark V 25 and mini recto mesa fanboy. Band is tight. :)

[@Guitarman3348]

it would be really nice if you could do more vids on different practical amps in a practic or live situation ,this is how to me vids should be done on amps to give people more of what they can expect from an amp. this the best demo hands down that I've ever head from a video.

[@fourletterword7920]

hey Phil, this is a great video series. This is how amps should be reviewed and demoed, i.e., in a band context as well. Can you PLEASE do a series just like this except with modeling amps!!