Isaac Newton, John Adams: Non-Trinitarian Devout Christians

There have been quite a few well-known, devout Christians who were not Trinitarians, like John Adams, the 2nd president of the United States and his wife Abigail, and their son John Quincy Adams, the USA’s 6th president. And listen to this about Sir Isaac Newton, famed British physicist, astronomer and theologian:
Like the Apostle Paul wrote: “As for us, there is one God, the Father…” 1 Corinthians 8:6
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[@allanhutton1123]

They were not Christians then are they.

[@billschlegel1]

A New Testament Christian is someone who believes that Jesus is the Christ. A Byzantine period and following "Christian" believes that Jesus is literally God. Mainstream "Christians" would be better titled "Deusians" or "Theusians."

[@allanhutton1123]

There is so many verses in scripture that support the Christ was God, is God and reigns as God. If Christ was simply a creation and from Creation then God sacrifice was not out of love nor just but simply put cosmic abuse for his own vindictive satisfaction. If he actually had nothing truly to sacrifice by what he can simply create there is no sacrifice at all. That's why Christ sacrifice was sufficient and complete, anything that diminishes Christ, diminishes sin and ultimately the significants of God glory. But don't take my word, take Christs, 5000 years of God's word and faithful servants that have said the same. "it is finished"

[@billschlegel1]

@@allanhutton1123 I believe the human person, Jesus from Nazareth, the Christ, spoke the words "It is finished" from the cross. Not a god-spirit with a human body. People dishonor that human person, the man Christ Jesus from Nazareth, God's Christ, by claiming it was someone else on the cross.

[@MarioMontes-uk5eu]

Thank you for your research.

[@marty1234able]

The Holy Spirit, who is like me, will reveal all things to you ... God the Father, God the Son, and God Holy Spririt. 🙏

[@billschlegel1]

There is no "God the Son" in the Bible. Neither is there a "God the Holy Spirit." The Bible presents "the Son of God" and the spirit of God.

[@jaja9081]

​@@billschlegel1 it is... so read again

[@ronmacy7975]

A few years ago, Neil deGrasse Tyson, in an attempt to mock Christianity, asked on one of the media sites who was born on December 25? His answer was Isaac Newton. I laughed at that time because I didn’t think Tyson would have picked Newton had he known of Newton’s faith in God. Yes, Sir Isaac was a unitarian, he also acknowledged God’s guidance in his work in physics and was a student of prophecy.

[@allanhutton1123]

You are in good company for the following believe the same: Mormons, Muslims, JW and Jews all believed Jesus was just another creation.

[@jollyrancher521]

Jw's don't believe that Jesus "was just another creation." They believe Jesus is God’s Son, the King of God’s Kingdom, Savior, Christ. Jesus is at God’s right hand in heaven (Acts 7:56, 1 Peter 3:22)

[@allanhutton1123]

@@jollyrancher521 jw believe he is just a created being. That's the point. They do not believe he is divine just elevated to an authority, a leader in God council.

[@jollyrancher521]

@@allanhutton1123 Yes, they believe that Jesus is a created being. Colossians 1:15 calls Jesus the “Firstborn of all creation” and Revelation 3:14 says that Jesus is the “beginning of the creation by God.” But he is not just one authority of many or "a leader" in a council. Acts 2:32-36 says that God raised Jesus from the dead, exalted him to his right hand and made him Lord and Christ. Acts 4:12 says there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

[@mertonhirsch4734]

The Essenes wrote circa 100 BC, We worship the Father and the Spirit, and when the Son comes he will show us how else to worship.

[@elimason7954]

I agree with you Faithful. Jesus's will say to some: "Go away from me I never knew you." He doesn't say: "Go away from me you had the wrong theology." Jesus criteria is personal not theological.

[@ronnier5349]

Go Newton!

[@PInk77W1]

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. 2 Corinthians 13:14

[@billschlegel1]

Amen, note that Jesus Christ is distinct from God.

[@paladin1935]

​@@billschlegel1 yes, but He is God.

[@chadboyer4781]

​@@billschlegel1the father and I are one those who do not honour the son do not honour the father I AM the alpha and the omega Christ is God he is not God the Father he is God the son and the image of the invisible God the eternally existing word of God. In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word WAS GOD.

[@chadboyer4781]

It is by the holy spirit we are sealed unto the day of redemption. The holy spirit leads us into truth and it is by him we are brought into the fellowship and clothed in glory and righteousness. He is also our comforter and the spirit by which we cry abba father. As to the men shown God is not a respecter of men inteligence does not mean you understand the doctrine of Christ as it is by the holy spirit we come to understand God for it is his spirit who searches the depths of God and reveals it to us.

[@randya.mitchell1722]

Check out A.P Adams writings in the late 1880's

[@MrChrisdube]

Good for them. They are allowed to be wrong. It's not a FUNDAMENTAL issue that people should separate from.

[@armen4ok280]

It is a fundamental issue, we literally have different Gods

[@armen4ok280]

1 John 2:23

[@billschlegel1]

To Jesus and Paul, the one God is the Father (John 17:3, 1 Cor. 8:6). A "triune" god is an effort to deny and put another God before the one God, the Father.

[@campparsonssundayschool7844]

The Adams were Unitarians. They don’t believe that Jesus Christ is equal to God. I guess the Adams never read Philippians 2:6 or John 14:9.

[@allanhutton1123]

Or Hebrews or the revelations, etc, etc

[@billschlegel1]

Consider the possibility that Philippians 2 describes the attitude and obedience of the man Christ Jesus, not a pre-incarnate deity. To claim Philippians 2 describes a pre-incarnate deity dishonors the man Christ Jesus. landandbible.blogspot.com/2020/03/did-god-become-man-philippians-25-11.html On John 14:9. I assume you are not a modalist? Jesus is not literally the Father, but Jesus represents God (the Father). Jesus was sent by God (the Father). The Father was at work in Jesus (John 14:10).

[@billschlegel1]

Jesus is distinguished from God throughout the Book of Revelation. Start with the first verse.

[@campparsonssundayschool7844]

He is a pre incarnate deity John 1:1,14. Jesus Christ is 100% man and 100% God. I don’t know of a human that understands fully the Godhead (trinity as they call it). I personally take it by faith because without that, I can not please God. That’s how I understand the Bible. I’m willing to be taught but not deceived in these last days Matthew 24:4.

[@billschlegel1]

@@campparsonssundayschool7844 Ah yes, the non-binary Jesus. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jF7Cn3eBrb2ehck

[@elimason7954]

Jesus's criteria isn't theological, it's personal. He will say to some: "Go away from me I never knew you." He doesn't say: "Go away from me you had the wrong theology."

[@edwardgreven7454]

The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit are one. I'm stupified that someone could conclude the Holy Spirit is fraudulent

[@elimason7954]

@@edwardgreven7454 You highlighted my point by arguing theology. Jesus criteria isn't theological, it's personal: Does he know us?

[@edwardgreven7454]

@@elimason7954 it's the collective experience of all peoples. How would we know which experience is closest to genuine? We have to look at the way they have conducted in life, how they acted or act in life. I think personal experience is a very broad and loose term. I trying to say is, through theological understanding you can know God being. Of course you need to have a relationship with God too, or else it's just a checklist of things He is.

[@edwardgreven7454]

@@elimason7954 God knows us better than ourselves

[@billschlegel1]

In general I agree, but getting right who the one true God is affects the personal. The Bible is adamant about getting right who the one true God is, and not having any other gods "in His face".

[@jimwilmot2371]

So, just wondering where Jesus came from then. Born of a virgin, how does that work? I don't understand.

[@billschlegel1]

Hi. A few thoughts: Except for the first two (Adam and Eve), all human beings were “born of a woman”. The miraculous quality of the conception of Jesus is evidence that God was involved, that indeed God was uniquely associated with who Jesus was and would be (i.e., the Messiah). Like the Apostle Paul described (Romans 5:14-19) Jesus is the second Adam (Adam means “man/human” in Hebrew). The first Adam had a unique creation/formation by God. So did the second Adam (Jesus). As through the first Adam came death, through the second Adam came redemption.

[@jimwilmot2371]

@@billschlegel1 Good point about Adam although he wasn't born, he was made of dust, whatever that means. So if Adam had God as his creator/father as Jesus did, why wouldn't he to be equal with God as Jesus (supposedly) was?

[@billschlegel1]

@@jimwilmot2371 Allow me to suggest investigating the concept of "agency". Jesus, granted authority and power by God, is equal with God in the sense of representation, agency. Not in essence. Like today in our society, a person granted power of attorney has equal standing to represent the person who gave him the power of attorney. To dishonor the one sent is to dishonor the sender.

[@jimwilmot2371]

@@billschlegel1 Like preterism, you're making a lot of disturbing sense.

[@jimwilmot2371]

@@billschlegel1 I also question man being a triune being- spirit, soul, and body.

[@PInk77W1]

Gen 1 God created the heavens and the earth The Spirit of God was upon the waters The Word of God said let there be light Trinity

[@billschlegel1]

There is a difference between the Trinity and a triad. Trinitarian "Christianity" insists that all three "persons" are "one being". But the Bible is clear that Jesus was and is a human being, raised from the dead by a different "being", the one God.

[@PInk77W1]

@@billschlegel1 Jesus said Destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it up Jn 2:19 Jesus raised Jesus from the dead

[@PInk77W1]

@@billschlegel1 Jesus is a human being Jesus was put on trial and was asked “Are u the Son of God?” Jesus said I am. They kllld him for saying he was equal to God

[@gregoryphi]

@@billschlegel1​​⁠John 2:19 - Jesus replied “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” Jesus raised himself from the dead because he is God along with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

[@bardowesselius4121]

Jesus did not raise himself up. He was dead. His God and Father raised him from the dead. Stated multiple times in the NT. Jesus also said many times he spoke the words his Father and God gave him to speak. It was God the Father speaking through His Son Jesus. The Father raised Jesus from the dead on the third day.

[@PInk77W1]

Christianity is Trinitarian Anything else is not Christianity

[@billschlegel1]

Why do you think the Apostle Paul would say, "As for us, there is one God, the Father.." 1 Cor. 8:6. Would not the Apostle say and believe that his one God was the Trinity? Like Newton discovered, Trinitarian "Christianity" is a Byzantine period invention.

[@PInk77W1]

@@billschlegel1 Catholics believe there is one God The Father. The Trinity is in the one God. The Trinity is 3 persons in one God. Paul is taught by Trinitarians. The Trinity is a mystery A mystery is a truth above our nature All the humans on earth can never figure out a mystery. It’s not possible. That’s why we have faith. Fides et ratio Faith and reason.

[@JTBennings]

@@billschlegel1Because at the time of Jesus, and of Paul, the philosophical language around “being” and “personhood” had not been fleshed out. Out of necessity, Paul used the terms he could to conclude that both the Father was God by saying “One God, the Father” and that Jesus was God “and one Lord, Jesus Christ” whilst maintaining they were not the same person (aka, Jesus is not the Father, and the Father is not Jesus) How else would Paul describe both the Father is God and Jesus is God whilst avoiding polytheism and without concluding they are the same person?

[@bardowesselius4121]

Christianity as the manmade religious system, yes it is trinitarian. Like the apostate natural Israel served other gods and golden calfs, the vast majority of christians have gone astray. A false concept of God by mixing the revelation of God with human wisdom. The warnings of serving golden calfs under Aaron and later Jeroboam are written down for a reason.

[@PInk77W1]

@@bardowesselius4121 The church has official teaching The church CANNOT go wrong. Jesus said “I will build MY CHURCH and the gates of hades will not prevail against it.” Mt 16 Paul said “The CHURCH is the ground and pillar of TRUTH” 1 Tim 3:15 So all this talk about it went wrong or majority of Christians went wrong, has no meaning.

[@danbutcher8879]

Can one deny the Triune God and claim to be a follower of Christ? One may as well refer to oneself as Muslim. Does it make a difference? Or perhaps, as Jesus said, "You can deny Me, you can deny my Father, but you can not deny my Spirit and see the kingdom of Heaven."

[@billschlegel1]

Trinitarians, "deity of Christ" believers, although most don't realize it, deny Christ. They deny the man, the human person, Christ Jesus of Nazareth, ever existed. kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4Kwc5tjfc2crZY

[@jollyrancher521]

The Bible does not say that there are three persons in one God, all coequal, coeternal and consubstantial. The doctrine of the Trinity is not stated anywhere in the Bible. That's why in the fourth century the church felt that it was necessary to formalize the Trinity doctrine in multiple councils under Roman Emperor Constantine the Great. The Bible says that Jesus was created, whereas God (whose name is Jehovah) was not created and does not have a beginning. Colossians 1:15 calls Jesus the “Firstborn of all creation” and Revelation 3:14 says that Jesus is the “beginning of the creation by God.” These scriptures show that God and Jesus are not co-eternal.