ISLA S2400 vs Rossum SP1200 12 Bit comparison **MUST SEE**

[@DjSabzi]

That's what I been saying bro! I got both (og sp1200 and s2400) of them and it is the same or nearly identical. Sp1200 fanatics act like it's blasphemy to say that s2400 or any other shit sounds same or nearly close enough. Sp1200 group.. Just sensitive. That's why I ain't paying due the new Rossum Sp, he should have came out with that decades ago before all the copycats came out and had enough time to hone in the dsp or the sound to be nearly identical if not the same. Great video 👏👏👏

[@johnnysamba5443]

Lol !!

[@dontomas819]

Yo I’m just happy someone at least made the first steps on this, and thank you! Off top, just judging by this, there IS a difference. However, I think I only hear it because I know what they are and see it side by side. If I was blindfolded I could never tell and I doubt anyone, especially after a full mix, could in all honesty really say “Oooh that’s not an SP1200.” And if they do, unless they are Large Professor or Marley Marl, and even that might be a stretch, they are probably lying. The OG will forever hold its own and there is a difference, but it’s subtle. Everyone also seems to misconstrue that the Isla is a “rival”, when in fact it was actually designed as a modern take and a homage to the original. It’s just sad that people have became so elitist they really forgot it’s what you do with it, not what you have.

[@luch1112]

The ISLA has 10x more ability for modern producing the SP1200 is the same as it was in 1987 with a few upgrades that Forat and Jazzcat had done for years...Its the OG though and holds it place in history.

[@johnnysamba5443]

Lol these new gen back pack lofi guys make me laugh do you know the frustration back then sampling an 808 bass ...the f@#king hiss get off j dilla ...pete rocks dick ..there was no dilla or pete rock when we was making beats were we glad to have sampling drum machines yes but there were frustrations your lucky you can say lo fi now ...multi mode was the killer for me it destroys mpc multi ...i did like the quick programming on the 1200 ill give you that ...nice one luch for the comparison these guys nit pick over nothing they wanna know what pete rock ate before making a beat wanna be spoon fed ...we had none of that we learnt as we went along..get a life to many idiots making music they are killing it..sound packs ..eat my ass lol !!!

[@harrymindgameTV]

Nice shoot out. I have the ISLA S2400 and very happy with it. I treat it as a modern classic.

[@SPOD_ZONE]

Over an iPhone speaker isn’t gonna prove anything. I’d love to hear one recorded properly and to do comparable workflow videos showing from sampling to finished beat mirrored on the machines. That’d be cool to see!

[@luch1112]

That's coming up next. I just unboxed the Rossum and made this quick comparison but they are "Undetectably Identical" in sound.

[@meadgarfield8320]

@@luch1112 thanks For doing this comparison I have the S 2400 myself and I like it But can you do a simple kick and snare track with sample in both units and compare them side by side?

[@QuincasMoreira]

You can watch this in your studio computer and hear through speakers, who says you have to hear it on an iPhone?

[@SPOD_ZONE]

@@QuincasMoreira I meant its recorded thru an iphone mic

[@QuincasMoreira]

@@SPOD_ZONE oh! I didn't realize that

[@LAOPECOM]

Same shyt. Glad I bought the S2400. More features and now 16 voices

[@luch1112]

You got a Winner

[@SamplingPercussion]

lol, no wrong.

[@sooperheep]

@@SamplingPercussion douche

[@macgyver6999]

​@luch1112 how do I go in 12 mode ?

[@EverettDudgeon138]

We are obsessed with the past because we know there's no future. I think everyone who claims they hear a difference or that "the original is better" wouldn't be able to tell a blindfolded test. It's the same thing as the Prophet 6 vs Prophet 5 argument. All those blind tests nearly everyone got them wrong and those that claimed they didn't are lying. Then the argument was "Well the Prophet 5 just has that special something." Yes, it's called nostalgia. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Making a decision based on emotion or feeling an emotional connection with an instrument is perfectly valid but at least be honest about it.

[@HarrySteed]

I allow me to answer you in an exchange as a good friend. We can indeed say blindfolded there will be no difference but I can tell you that the Sp Og that I also own, in comparison has quite a bit more low frequency at sampling. Is this due to the deterioration of the components over time? I do not know. We are surely talking about the same de la Isla s2400 in a few years...I'm convinced of it because it also destroys everything in its path 💥 despite some software bug reports light from some owners.

[@ZenMountain]

The prophet 6 and the prophet 5? What? They sound totally different man, what are you talking about?

[@detective4719]

great video! Thx for making this I wanted to hear the 2400 vs the possum and you just sold me on the s2400. The price difference and modern features make it the one for me

[@BoombapBodega]

Dope comparison bro! Much needed!

[@xisotopex]

how is the feel of the 2400 sequencer compared to the 1200?

[@soulscientific2685]

yo thanks for this video fam...i own the s2400 and i wanted the sp1200 but after this video i see im definitly straight with my 2400..😊

[@luch1112]

The SP1200 is worth getting too as an Investment or collector piece. Dave Rossum is a pioneer and I got this to keep in honor of all the legends in hip hop who rocked them 2.5 seconds of sampling into timeless creations. ISLA honored Rossum by making the S2400 and wanted to create a modern successor because in 2019 Rossum had zero plans to ever make another SP1200. He could have made a modern successor himself but for some reason took his company in another direction until ISLA asked his permission to create their unit. He made them change the name from SP2400 so rhey used the S2400 name for Sampling using two DACs a 24bit which breaks down to 16bit/48khz and a 16bit which discard the least important 4 bits down to 12.

[@isthethat]

its easy to make a beat on the isla s2400 as it loads a little faster. I prefer the s2400 for samples because theres more time and when your recording a pattern you add samples without it sometimes cutting out other sounds on you like on the og SP 1200. As for drums the sp 1200 all day it sounds a lot better on the low end and more grimey than the more polished s2400. if i had to choose one id prolly pick the isla cause of it features livelooping timestreching lpf hpf bit rate optional 16-1. But the sound is better on the og sp 1200 or the rossum sp 1200 hands down. Solid video! Get both if you have the money they wont be around forever very limited

[@theboombapchannel2247]

“I’m here to dispel all the rumours and bull$hit!!! Classic!!!

[@luch1112]

I keep telling the Old SP heads "Stop the Hare go fukn create" ISLA doesn't deserve the shit these knuckleheads spew at them. Its like being mad at Ford because they produced an 800hp stock Mustang and they own a 1972 Chevelle acting like it can Win because its a classic Muscle-car 😂

[@mpmi7588]

@@luch1112 You working for Isla bro? Lol. All these responses read like your an Isla agent. 😂 But for real, I have the Isla joint. Use to have a 1200. Personally they could work well together if the user is a beat beast. I know for a fact @theboombap channel would destroy a joint using only a 12 and 24 as the sole instruments.

[@theboombapchannel2247]

@@mpmi7588 Thanks, when I copped the 2400 I never wanted it to be the 1200. The 2400 is nice in it’s own right.

[@markl7520]

can you make a beat with the both synced up and post please. i have a 2400 still waiting for my rossum,

[@luch1112]

Coming soon Bro

[@markl7520]

@@luch1112 cool , be easy bro.

[@dkd8747]

Im glad you gave clarity on that cause i was gonna get the high price Rossum but the Isla makes more sense plus its cheaper with more features.

[@bagoftrix]

Man, alot of misinformation on the S2400. I grew up on the 1200's sound, and always wanted to have it as part of the studio. But it's always been crazy expensive, even more so here in Europe. I've seen alot of negative talk on the s2400, but to hear somebody who actually owns both be very clear about it is really good to hear. If it has 'that sound' down, that's all i needed to know, thanks for this.

[@BeatBoySupreme]

Is the sound being recorded by your phone?

[@dom2er]

Great approach g! Too much hype on gear these days, anyways. The ultimate goal is to be fresh and original. Whatever gets the job done is great. Just my 2cents.

[@luch1112]

I totally agree, I can find Beatmaking joy in any piece of gear💪🏼💪🏼

[@TeddyRockSteady]

Newly subbed, you just sold me an Isla S2400 with this comparison and thank you! A few of my favorite beatmakers on you tube use that unit and I was on the fence about getting one vs flipping 4k on an SP12. I really like how you pointed out that the 2400 pitches the samples better. Thanks again for your demo Sir. Salute!

[@liantrosretrospectiva4134]

the 1200 have more low end from the same initial unpitched sample

[@station2station544]

(Turn your phone into landscape mode). But thanks for doing the video. Even though you recorded over an iPhone, and people are complaining that it doesn't prove anything, I disagree - even over the iPhone speaker you can hear the same exact aliasing artifacts. They are identical. We knew they were. People are just trying and trying to find something that doesn't exist.

[@luch1112]

That's all I was trying to prove but some people are so mad I'm comparing the sound to the SP1200 they're acting like I slept with their Woman 😂 I was just showing people the sound is identical but beyond that these are different machines, both Dope in their own right.

[@station2station544]

@@luch1112 I feel you

[@Axiohm000]

Thank you very much. A much needed demonstration to tame the Hypebeast. Please do some more comparison videos of these two units.

[@luch1112]

I plan on it stay tuned.

[@legendsflashback]

Which one you suggest

[@lcollet4530]

Much needed side by side! Thank you for this. How about swing/quantize? If you could do a full track using same samples on both machine that would be incredible. Just to hear how the drums and sample blend on both machine. Thank you for being the first to do this comparison. 🙌

[@luch1112]

Coming up next

[@197979jones]

@@luch1112 Add the Lo Hiss app into the mix too

[@theredfaceofficial]

@@luch1112 Would love to hear a side by side comparison please! 🙏🏼

[@synthpunkmusick1661]

And Luch never dropped the drum A & B comparison lol. He said it was next and never dropped jack lol. Year later too

[@theredfaceofficial]

@@synthpunkmusick1661 Does that mean he prefers the new SP? I’m really trying to get my head around the differences. In some videos I am definitely hearing near enough the same or a very close sound between the OG and the s2400. They both bump hard and the S2400 rings nicely in the same kind of way. Would have been nice to hear a side by side from the same user in the same room using the same samples etc etc

[@Musical.Maze.1]

Exactly the same as you said... I have an S2400 as well and a friend has an SP-1200. We test them both and they sound the same.

[@JoeFaniel]

The one on th left sounded warmer. On the right sounded more clarity.

[@legendsflashback]

Can I turn the filters off both units or do I half plug in outputs

[@gwsound]

Nice, can you record both? Then we can hear it directly without the phone mic. Thank you.

[@markl7520]

this is a great video. imagine syncing the s2400 with the rossum sp 1200, now you have the og for drums and the s2400 for longer samples. the s2400 has a awesome sequencer.

[@luch1112]

I plan on doing that and also using the SP1200 with my Akai Force so I can import right into Ableton after creating in Standalone.

[@markl7520]

@@luch1112 damn boy your onto something there, post it when you get a chance, i wanna see that. good stuff LUCH

[@truechristianity74]

It’s the same chip

[@truechristianity74]

How many of y’all by dish soap, clothing soap, and body wash

[@lucianogrillo4087]

That’s exactly what I do

[@truechristianity74]

How many of y’all think that dish soap body soap and clothing soap is different. If you say they are then you are wrong read the back for ingredients people they are all the same so yes you can shampoo your hair wash your clothes clean your car and shower with dish soap. The S2400 has the same filter chips as the new SP1200 the older SP has a different filter chip so it might sound a little different

[@mikegraham92]

If you broke, just say that

[@scottmacey]

I washed my 1200 in dishsoap and my 2400 in shampoo and they both came out EXACTLY as clean!! Thank you

[@embodie_breaks7089]

I wish you would do just one more test with recording inside the DAW not from the phone speaker. We would all appreciate that alot.

[@truechristianity74]

They both have the same chips

[@JOHNNYSLASH]

They both sound amazing.. me though I would always get the rossum just to know that this is IT… idk.. to be fair the other joint looks so dope

[@thebloodminister988]

Mind doing an recording directly into an audio interface from both of the units, instead of using monitors to record from :p

[@kingvintage2227]

close but sp has more grit and low end ..coming from someone who has the og,the emax 1 ,emax 2 ,mirage etc... it really dont matter what machine you use

[@dkd8747]

Let me ask you this brother. Would you buy the ISLA first before the Rossum? Now i currently have the old Sp but the floppy drive is bad and ive gotten so use to my Maschine 8 seconds doesnt do it for me anymore . So if you were me which would you buy first the ISlA or Rossum. The Rossum is overpriced my opinion

[@PsychologyAcademia]

Ive got both. Your wrong there is a difference. On this video low and hi frequencies not so much mid. One elephant in the room as well. Workflow on the SP1200 is a pleasure. The SP2400 is not. Its annoying. Your money your choice though.

[@stuartdavid8493]

I can hear the difference clearly even in this video. They barely resemble each other. Dude needs his ears syringed.

[@ZenMountain]

Workflow on the SP1200 is absolutely great. You're just not capable enough.

[@lucianogrillo4087]

Are you kidding me they are both simple simon units to use in every regard. 😂😂 the S2400 has more features so yeah it will be slightly steeper learning curve if you just came from a Fisher Price keyboard

[@PsychologyAcademia]

@@lucianogrillo4087 Yes just kidding.

[@AFmajorbeats]

Man shut up you just wanna be that know it all we know all the bullshit you listed that wasn't the point of the video you idiot

[@JamBurglar]

I think all the talk about the sound of the units it blown way out of proportion. I tend to think they're close enough. To me it's more about what the user wants as far as work-flow, etc.

[@luch1112]

I agree Brother they are both Dope units just want to quell some of the S2400 haters out here and show them how identical they sound

[@billB101]

What I really need to hear is an identical drum sequence ( kick snare hat at 54% swing ) in comparison on both machines side by side. I mean, I really want to buy an S2400, but the videos online are not convincing me that it's as tight as the SP1200 which is everything really ( and I really want to be proved wrong here )

[@cymonalex]

Very interesting Video.... Thanks for posting

[@kakophonie8734]

How about the drums ? That's the main point...would love to hear how à kick and à snare sound in these 2...that being said, I hear the difference...the sp sound for that sample is more aggressive or crisp, call that how you want...the s24 sound is quite close but different...

[@luch1112]

I will record into Logic to show an example on the next one they are the same it was my phone's mic in proximity to where I was standing near the monitors

[@synthpunkmusick1661]

@@luch1112 LETS GO

[@Roomer645]

Now that's what i'm talking about !

[@H4NDCRAFTED]

Not related , but the sp12 is still the best looking sampler ever made imo, love the blue and white

[@Reggi_Sample]

Who else using this as a reference for their lofi plugins #taldac

[@Iofflight78]

I love the Isla and I hear differences in close tests but they are totally negligible in the mix, I really believe that 100%. 1:1 you can hear some differences between the low mid and high frequencies but it's ridiculous dissing either. I plan on the new sp1200 reissue because I want a rossum but the ISLA is bang on and such a delightful sampler.

[@lucianogrillo4087]

Well said

[@Lofilegacybeats]

I notice the Isla is more deeper on low end

[@lkpc6623]

thanks, great stuff

[@ILLUDIUM_Q_36]

A Rolex Submariner vs an Omega Seamaster. On has heritage and the the other has a more modern take. Both are very nice Watches. Edit: Also when listening to these comparisons, one should listen for mud and irritation. Not just the sample itself.

[@luch1112]

Good analogy

[@truelionofjudah4097]

i would take the rolex :P

[@MRSHAHEED100]

Dope video thanks 🙏🏽..About to order me a s2400🔥🔥

[@MrThecarrott]

Not that I m interested in getting the Rossum. I own the Isla. But there is a difference and could hear it even through the iphone speakers :/

[@luch1112]

What did you notice??

[@MrThecarrott]

@@luch1112 clear difference on the whole frequency spectrum. Rossum sounding definitely more alive, characterful . A bit like comparing one of the great entry Neumann mics with their classic models costing double

[@OWOspirit]

@@luch1112 it is harmonic, human musical sensitivity is different. that's all, it cannot be described

[@honeymojave]

If he had swapped the audio, so when he hits the isla, it’s actually playing the 1200 sample and visa versa, It would be fun to see the comments of all the people who think they’re hearing this big difference

[@djgreenhornet2892]

I want to try out both units

[@smokey5100]

Have & love em both 🔥💯🔥

[@磁鬼頻率]

Sold my sp1200 for a s2400. Better midi spec. Saved some money. Happy although miss the look of the o.g.

[@lownrgy]

proud move!

[@IZA-611]

Which output did you use on the 1200?

[@pearsonclarence74]

Yeah that's dope.

[@Netm8kr]

Nicely done bro. I missed getting the OG as a youth. So the S2400 was a must for me (#264). As it offers enhanced features, as well as that sound we know and Luv. When it’s all said and done… Get what your comfy spending. I respect the lineage of the OG. But, If they came out in the same day, my decision wouldn’t have changed. 👍🏾✌🏾✊🏾

[@isham16]

Well done for the sound comparison! What about the groove !?

[@lucianogrillo4087]

Groove and swing is the same too. Not much home to write about I do prefer the S2400 sequencer myself

[@DT1One]

The Rossum sounded hotter/more aggressive

[@luch1112]

No in person its exactly the same and actually the S2400 has hotter outputs I had the SP cranked on 9 the 2400 was on 6

[@aldonova4082]

Yes, just a little bit brighter.

[@WestonStephens]

I hear a difference, but it's negligible. Both = HEAT!

[@grimeyneedle1527]

i hear a difference. the rossum ringing when pitched is stronger. both are good tho

[@aldonova4082]

Yep, it's a touch brighter but they are very close.

[@Allious131]

It don't matter what anyone tells any of you your gonna automatically pick the one you grew up with. There was no difference at all ya'll mostly trolling at this point.

[@grimeyneedle1527]

@@Allious131 we're listening to it on the video lol. i didn't pick a side i just said there was a difference in the sound.

[@Allious131]

@@grimeyneedle1527 I heard this is a acoustic treated room on a7x monitors there was no difference.

[@theredfaceofficial]

After 1 year do you still feel the same about them both having the same sound? Thanks

[@legendsflashback]

Classic 16" ?

[@DanielIvan707]

Nice video. 2400 is definitely dope.

[@kidchristjustice4367]

Doing COVID I came across one at the pawn shop for $600, and i deeply regret not getting it ..

[@Lkenobi]

Next can you do a shootout with different microphones. I own a sp1200 personally and want to see if different microphones pick up the higher frequencies that are effected by the aliasing

[@luch1112]

That would be pointless because we record into a DAW directly unlike a Guitar where you may Mic up an Amp cabinet for desired sound. I will record more Audio including sequences into Logic Pro to do a much better comparison using Zero plug-ins just direct audio input and bounced down to WAV so no one can say my iPhone made them sound the same 😂 or different. I will do this using the main outs only which have no filtering on them.

[@Lkenobi]

@@luch1112 thank you for taking the time to make a video on such a interesting topic. This still machine blows my mind every time I turn it on

[@197979jones]

Some of my best tunes have recently been made on Serato Sample/Logic/SP bit crusher....Ive been forced to use all this whilst waiting for my SP1200 to arrive. We dont need any of this stuff anymore tbh....But its way more fun/creative to use these boxes to start something. I cant really comment on what is 'better' (ive only used the s2400) and who cares tbh..........I used to own an MPC60 and what i will say is - i never got that machine soul feeling off the s2400 that i had with the 60.....It did a good job at the aliasing (and certainly looks the part) but samples disappearing, white noise and crashes killed it for me People who want that definitive 100% knock/swing/simplicty/quality - buy the SP1200.......Those on more a budget and want a gazzilion more features and roughly the same aliased ring- get an S2400......I do find it funny how the S2400 lot have changed the narrative from 'yeah simplicity is key - restrictions breed creativity' are now 'well i have all these bells and whistles because its 2022 and its gonna make more better', like bore off.......You can get a similar sound off the Lo Hiss app for a few bucks......Its all about what user experience you want and are willing to pay for.

[@luch1112]

Any new company will have a few glitches or defects and even old companies. I just received my Rossum and it came with the 0 button on the keypad pushes back and pinched under the metal casing. ISLA has the best customer support and those problematic units were all addressed and repaired or replaced. Alai has never been this good and they are a big company. Rossum is also a small company and addressed my issue where I can fix it myself which I requested to do or they can fix it and ship it back. I love both units and proud to own both but you're right I can do all of this in Logic, Ableton, Reason using various LoFi plug ins like SP950 which is the easiest but its no damn fun. I hate being in the box the whole time. I even got an Akai Force which is an Amazing standalone unit that works like Ableton and cam save in ALS format opening up in Ableton when I want to finish with Vocals.

[@project-95]

I probably would've grabbed a Rossum if it was more competitively priced, just for the sound, look & feel. But the S2400 was a no brainer, and since it arrived in December it has had two major updates dealing with issues and features. I couldn't live without the midi control now. Not sure if the Rossum has midi tracks, but that's a massive plus for me with the 2400. These arguments are futile anyway, even if they sound alike people are emotionally attached to their gear 🤣

[@luch1112]

The Rossum is exactly the same as the EMU SP1200 from 1987 except it has an SD drive that emulates Floppies, 2 Filters installed in the back that can be used on Outputs 1&2, Sample input monitoring, LED screen that changes colors and 20 seconds of sample time. It looks, feels and sounds the same. I'm glad to have both. Gear does create a feeling when making Music that Software doesn't have to me.

[@ASSman864]

@@luch1112 can you sample from CDs or is it records only? Would be the future if you could just sample from youtube lol

[@mikegraham92]

@@ASSman864 did you ever figure this out? Lol

[@modgrip805]

Rossum sounds waaaay warmer! EDIT Could be we're closer to the monitor speaker for the Rossum 🤷‍♂

[@embodie_breaks7089]

yeah its his phone speaker position I'm assuming.

[@Lofilegacybeats]

But once you mix it and master it its gone anyway

[@mrmister7355]

Cool!

[@42mantua]

Yo thanks for doing this. And I agree. Cut the BS!!! When it come to alot of these machines people be hearing what they want to hear based on their bias opinions and prejudice. The Old SP. The New SP. The S2400. All have the SAME EXACT CHIPS with a different model number because of company copy rights.😑 You got kats going around saying that Emu Sp1200 sounds better than the Rossum Sp1200?!🤔 As if he didn't make both and remembered what he did?!🤔 Once again Stop The BS!!! And also stop making it seem like a floppy disk player makes a drastic difference in the sound because it doesn't. I can make a top knotch state of the art digital sound like a dusty neglected 78rpm record from 1930. Once again the Drum,Sampler or Daw dont make the Music. You do!!! And all the tweaks and tweaks in-between!!!! Focus on your creativity and learn your weapon of choice like the back of your hand. And Lets Go!!!😎 U.T.Pa Philly. Hip Hop since 1983!!!✌🏽

[@djdesign_]

Good video. At this point it's like would you like a real Balenciaga cotton tee shirt for $700 or a nice Nike tee shirt with performance fabric and moisture wicking for $60?

[@luch1112]

Facts 😆

[@djdesign_]

@@luch1112 I took the Balency, 😆😂

[@djdesign_]

Me too. 😂

[@jmltalklife]

He not lying

[@b.e.7208]

They sound similar but not the same. I hear the difference the Rossum has little more shine than the sp2400. But they both sound real good. They both smack.

[@songologia]

thanks for test comparison , i think Rossum sounds littlebit better and more flat .

[@LaloRaj13]

how come you don’t hear the difference.. the are similar but 100% NOT THE SAME.

[@tenkur2369]

"sound the same"??! Exactly the same? U sure? I can hear a big difference

[@luch1112]

Really?? Point out the differences

[@tenkur2369]

@@luch1112 You can't hear the whales and dolphins on one of them

[@uneekish56]

Sp1200 has more resin. It's definitely a difference. People are downplaying it because of the $4,000 price

[@luch1112]

No not at all they sound exactly the same Blindfolded. I had my daughter test me and I failed 😂 What you heard was my iPhone in closer proximity to the right speaker which is right near the SP the other monitor is further away from the S2400 so the SP sounds brighter

[@uneekish56]

@@luch1112 the Sp was my first machine back in 1990 and i know the sound....its not just parts that make the unique sound its the casing and a different swing no other machine can match...the s2400 sound like the sp but not identical...For years people been on the internet claiming these software programs sound identical to the sp sounding delusional..lol

[@jovantrendmaker4722]

@@uneekish56 you are a clown dont even have a maschine and dude has both and you know more than him lol. People like you are cancer of these communitys

[@deebaker4671]

​@@uneekish56They use the same exact chipset. Rosslum is following isla's lead. The original chipset used in the original SP 1200 isn't in production anymore.

[@DJ-EFKA]

@@deebaker4671two guys can use the same woman, she will not scream the same way with both. So the chip argument is too cheap. Find something more expensive ! 😊

[@JasonToll-il5ln]

U can hear the difference in the initial attack! Rossum all day!!

[@DJ_PROMO_PR]

Shawn Love and his fanboys are not gonna like this video. 🤣👍

[@mildheadwound]

Cool comparison ~ too bad the sp2400 is on production hold.

[@JasonToll-il5ln]

The SP sounds so much full and better

[@NME_REK]

Sounds like sp has more of a ring but hard to tell on phone

[@deebaker4671]

They use the same chip

[@197979jones]

That means absolutely nothing

[@deebaker4671]

@@197979jones It does mean something.

[@197979jones]

@@deebaker4671 Its one part of the puzzle for sure. But to simply think they use the same chip and therefore sound the same is complete rubbish. Open both up and see the difference.

[@luch1112]

Yea it is exactly the same

[@luch1112]

@tanza I can open up both units and you will discover a mainboard with potentially different tact switches attached, pad set up, etc but they both have the SSI chip. The Rossum is really copying its old mainboard technology which is why the SD card drive runs on HFE format which is Floppy emulation while the S2400 uses high throughput SD allowing me to use 1TB cards loading a song with a 25 minute sample 10x faster than my SP loads a song with 2.5 seconds of sampling on 10 banks or 2 banks for that matter. Its still 1987 technology with a few modifications like input monitoring, filters on channel 1&2 and an increase of sample memory from 10 to 20 seconds, nothing groundbreaking here but the chip used to give it that SP sound is in both ISLA and Rossum's units and thats really all that counts. ISLA takes care of the rest of vintage SP modeling in the software which really just gives you the ability to use Classic 16 or 32 tunings which is all the SP has or I can select Semitones like my MPC uses. I don't need to speed up Records to 45bpm I can change the tuning and it does it for me. I can also load 16 or 24bit WAV files from my Computer via USB and Resample them internally to 12 bit, basically the S2400 is an SP1200 on Steroids with all the other things it does.

[@dahnic69]

In this video the Rossum sounds more crisp, clean and clear to me. I own the S2400. I wouldnt pay $4000 for the SP-1200. No way.

[@Iofflight]

When I listened really closely to SAPs OG 1200 vs S2400 I could hear some differences but they were really negligible in a mix. The S2400 actually had slightly fuller mids, the OG was crisper in the highs, didn't notice much difference in the low end.

[@luch1112]

Rossum created the OG SP-12 and 1200 so due to its legendary history he can market it as a reissue of the beloved E-mu OG and it actually is the same with a few added features. Its a cult classic now so $4000 is a bargain in comparison to a used OG on eBay from $8000 on up. The S2400 does more with the same sound and that seems to bother so many Old Heads who used the SP since the 90's. I used one since 98' myself but I love new twists on vintage gear if the company doing it is creating it out of love and not a fast buck like Behringer seems to do often. ISLA nailed it

[@777wisdom7]

@@Iofflight I noticed the same differences SP has clearer high and mids When dropping the sample low the 2400 was muddy

[@Iofflight]

@@777wisdom7 Have you heard it in person? Because it doesn't sound muddy to me at any level. It's just the SP1200 had more clarity in the highs. The S2400 had more presence in the low mids. The S1200 had more in the very bottom which I think has to do with the DACs being 16 vs 12 bit. Ironically the S2400 sounds freaking great through the USB Audio. I know I sound suspect even saying that. I swear I'm not a fan of USB audio vs the TR/S but seriously it's crispier (I almost want to smack myself for saying it but in this case it's the truth). I and another beta tester had the same exact response. The other beta tester is SAP by the way and he had both against each other in a head to head.

[@777wisdom7]

@@Iofflight Basically the 2400 has more bass meaning they do not sound exactly the same.

[@aldonova4082]

The Rossum sounds just a little bit brighter than the Isla.

[@donnie4455]

Idk bro, unless the Rossum is way different than the OG SPs, there should be a difference in thump. My SP12 is noticeably different than my 2400. That pitch alias is one thing, but the drums don’t hit like an SP out the 2400

[@luch1112]

Are you referring to after you dumped it into your DAW for final Edit and Mixdown or do you mean straight out the unit?? They both knock pretty equally to me but you have to select L & R Mixed on the S2400 because the SP1200 is mono and the S2400 is stereo by default which seemed to negate that classic thump you're referring to until I made my S2400 mono as well.

[@donnie4455]

@@luch1112 I gotta peep that bro not sure if I have the outs set to stereo inside the 2400. Appreciate the video either way it’s needed out here!!

[@embodie_breaks7089]

@@donnie4455 Is he just talking about setting all the samplers to mono instead of stereo? or something else? Also did this make it sound closer? Just curious. I dont hear a ton of difference, but also I havent I admit I have never owned an SP1200 since the 90's. I was using Mpc's but I had friends that still have em.

[@donnie4455]

@@embodie_breaks7089 peace he’s referring to the settings inside the 2400 and to make sure the samples are set on mono not stereo. It’s close as it’s gonna get, but to my ears there is still a difference between that and my 12 turbo. I can’t speak on the Rossum due to not owning one. 2400 is a great unit though, that will save you lots of money for a very similar sound.

[@embodie_breaks7089]

@@donnie4455 Forsure. The SampleRate is different on the SP12 than the SP1200. They have a slightly different sound and the S2400 is modelled after the SP1200 so maybe thats the diff your heard. I believe the SP12 is in the 25.kz region as the SP1200 is 26.. Barely a difference but there is one. I love the look of the Turbo. I was hoping someone would make a skin for the S2400 to make it look that way.

[@JiggyGinJoints]

Difference is clear as day. But for me it´s not the engine thats the fault with Isla. Its the rest. It doesn´t share the workflow nor sequencer. Maschine is a cheaper and better option if you just want emulation of engine.

[@jmltalklife]

They use the same chips

[@junglejingle7836]

Both great..

[@foreverseethe]

I see you got the romplers in the background. That explains the 600% price increase. The whole brand has become fetishized.

[@gedbeat15]

the 1200 sounds like it has just a touch more of that classic downsampled sound at the lowest pitch imo...but also Rossum gets the win for me just because the guy behind Isla's attitude stinks (his name is Brad). A few years back I was trying to purchase the Kordbot, but it was on back-order. What he didn't tell people was that he was still making the units as he was getting the orders. When it was about 3 weeks past the date that it was supposed to ship, I simply emailed him for an update on my order, and he out of nowhere just sent me a refund and blocked my email. When I went on Isla's FB page to try to get answer as to why he couldn't just tell people what was up with their orders, he blocked me from that too, and had a bunch of people from the page (who I assume were his buddies) bully me & send death threats. So it's fuck Brad & Isla Instruments forever

[@luch1112]

That's really Sad to hear man and highly unprofessional. I have not had anything but good experiences with ISLA, I had a Native Instruments employee treat me like that when my Maschine Studio had developed lines in the screen after 2 months.

[@gedbeat15]

@@luch1112 Yeah man, it doesn’t cost you anything to be transparent with people, especially those that are paying for a product or service from you. If you explain the situation, people are going to understand. Maybe not everyone, but most will. I consider myself to be a reasonable, understanding person. I certainly didn’t deserve that. No one does.

[@luch1112]

@Jill Tuck You silly fool you speak jibberish. I've had the OG SP1200 since 1997. You literally have zero clue as to what you're talking about. They are both amazing machines and identical in sound and sequencing. Instead of spewing hate go get both or come to Los Angeles so I can chump your face in person. The S2400 and SP1200 outside of sound and sequencer are totally different animals. I am not limited to 2.5 seconds on my S2400 and I can chop samples up like an MPC Live and Record Live Loops using Live Instruments into it while my pattern or song is playing. Btw dum dum both units use Chinese parts as do Akai, Roland, Yamaha and every other major manufacturer, this is just the reality we have to deal with in 2022 maybe one day they will all be made in the USA, both the SP1200 and S2400 are assembled in the USA by hardworking people at ISLA and Rossum. Go Learn something before you open your Cock Holster Troll!

[@ramsey4630]

Sp-1200 is clicky. Always hated clicky pads 😂. Good shit though

[@disxiple_113]

be nice to hear this shootout on a real recording.

[@philtyrich1]

Sampled from a iPhone 📱 there’s no comparison. Pull out some vinyl and shoot another video .

[@luch1112]

Unfortunately I don't use Vinyl these days I use Tracklib and enjoy my saved space and covered samples I won't get taxed for when I release music or sell tracks in the industry

[@jmltalklife]

The force kills both

[@Mind-Over-Body]

Great video. What's the drum machine in the middle?

[@luch1112]

Akai MPCX

[@carlomurjahn]

I can hear the difference. That 5% delta though is whats its all about.

[@nrgskillmedia]

s2000 has less ring in the high frequencies, and I can hear it from the speaker of my phone 😂

[@minkloco619]

They both sound the same but I’ll take the 🎹s2400 drum pads are way better and way more options 💯

[@project-95]

S2400 is in the same league as all the classics. It's so close sonically it's not worth worrying about and I own a S950 and have owned a MPC3000. Do yourself a favour and get the 2400 while it's new and cheap. Don't believe the cork sniffers, they're gatekeeping because they paid top whack for their SP✌️

[@EZWest-om4nu]

I think the SP sounded a tad better... lol ... I just may not be able to afford that "tad"...that "tad is like $2200

[@NME_REK]

I’d cop the isla but seeing they already doubled it’s price I’m good. Not that it’s not worth it it’s just the fact of the matter in a very short time it’s doubled - it’s a homage not og chill on that ticket incline

[@4WingsMild]

Original price was really to help for startup. And the people who paid that price waited for a year or longer. Current price is worth it. IMO