Free Will vs. Determinism - Abdal Hakim Murad

[@dayan47]

From our limited realm of understanding-we choose. Yet on the higher plane, Allah has already destined what we choose has He has predetermined knowledge of everything-i.e. the choices we would/will make are known to Him before we even chose them.

[@unleashed93]

How is this fair then? Why will we be punished for things God already chose for us?

[@ricbla3499]

@@unleashed93 imagine you jump in a pool and at the same exact time someone pushes you in the pool, how is that a problem? We are doing the action while at the same time it was predestined by Allah

[@ricbla3499]

@Moe Sports how is it impossible? You jump and at the same time you are pushed

[@matki3834]

@@unleashed93 No. Allah does not choose for us. He just know. Because He is not bound with time. Because time is His creation.

[@unleashed93]

@Zardav K So, keeping with the theme of cordial discussion... I don't see your point. What I was trying to say (if I remember correctly) is: when is god aware of our decisions? when we make them or at some point unbeknownst to us like the beginning of everything? If he knew our decisions then, then clearly we aren't able to differ from those decisions regardless of how convinced we are about the nature of our free will. Ricbla, you paint yourself into a corner with that style of reasoning. You imply God makes us do things and then punishes or rewards us for that. Like a puppet master getting angry at his puppet. I personally don't like that logic.

[@Ak-so6ng]

The easiest way to understand is to basically know that we for the most part, don't have control on the result of things but we certainly have control on our intentions, and it is our intention that we will be questioned on. While yes our decisions do influence the result, I would say it's only 40% of the work. Here are two examples: For crops to grow, it is required that it rains on time and the farmer does his part. Now if the farmer does his part of the job, and it doesn't rain (rain isn't in the farmers control ofc) then the farmer will not be blamed. Now let's say the farmer doesn't do his job, then whether it rains or not becomes irrelevant and it is safe to assume the farmer was negligent because he didn't know it wasn't going to rain! Hence he can be blamed. So in order for the crops to grow, the rain (which is Allah's qadr) will happened regardless of whether the farmer does his job or not. Another example is that two men jump out of a plane with a parachute. Now, when they try to open it, it doesn't open. One person sees the ground getting closer, and starts to truly cry and repent for his sins while the other starts getting angry at God instead of repenting. Before they reach the ground, the parachutes for both of them somehow end up opening and they both survive. Now here, the parachutes opening and not opening was qadr, but the act of repentance or disobedience wasn't. This is something they chose and Allah swt already "knew" about it. Lastly, say you are trying to save an animal for dying. You tried to help it but you accidentally did something wrong and the animal unfortunately passes away. Here you see the intention was to obv save the poor animal which the person will be rewarded for however the animal dying was qadr. That's how I understand it. If you try to do good with good intentions let's say, help someone. And you end up making the situation worst, you may still get rewarded as If you did the good deed because the intention was there.

[@unleashed93]

What you're saying is "I tried to save thousands of lives by killing innocents." - "Oh, you had good intentions... you tried to do good, you were just really stupid. But that's okay, you still go to heaven." That's just unacceptable. "I have the intention of being a good Muslim, but I don't like this praying five times a day thing." - Having intentions isn't enough. Any terrorist group can use this for their own justification. What you might say is you have to have the right intentions. Well, isn't spreading the word of Islam a good intention? Do we get correct intentions from the morality in the Quran? As you can see, the problem of what we're punishable suddenly becomes very buried in text, which as we can see, can be used to justify any intention. Are we now also going to add the restriction of finding the right interpretation to the requirements? You're opening a can of worms.

[@moflow66]

We obviously a reasonable requirement he assumed you would assume would be that not only you intend on saving that animal but also having good reason to believe that you are competent enough. He’s speaking reasonably and there’s no need to just reduce his argument to absurdity. For example a vet believing he can help an animal on the basis of his education and intending to do so is not equal to a man who has no education and decides to open his own “well intended” clinic, resulting in plenty of death.

[@GotenX0X]

All things have been pre-ordained, and yes their is also free will. 🔥👍 Free will is close to intention. For e.g. You intend to do good, but does not mean it will happen. Allaah willing it happens, however your reward is with Allaah whether it happens or not InshaaAllaah. Intend good, and strive to do it. Happens or not our reward is with Allaah, InshaaAllaah. 🔥👍

[@MrOMarr]

So, given that this isn’t the complete lecture, I can only assume and HOPE that this person has conveyed to the audience that the discourse regarding the Mu’tazila and ash’ariya and other sects of Islam that branched off due to philosophical, theological and other reasons, have All been settled in debate Wayy Long ago eh!! These debates are not new by Any means, the reason why people resurface these same arguments and recycle them as if they’re something Islam struggles with is because very very little people have knowledge of the old scholars of Islam who addressed these discourses way back when they first arises!! And just to give some historical context, some of the slums that addressed the Mu’tazila’s for example is non other than a companion of the prophet ! Within the rule of Ali Bin Abu Talib the prophets Cousin and 4th caliphate! It’s just that these arguments have a strong scientific foundation where scientists and others who have a bone to pick with Islam like to play for the reasons that not anybody can easily speak to these matters.. and this is Alll portrayed as if it’s some Fundamental life changing realization that would Absolutely demolish Islam and all the other seemingly endless truths associated with it in every other aspect🤦🏽‍♂️ You have to be honest with yourselves people. We will NEVER. EVER. EVER be able to get to ANYwhere NEAR comprehending the almighty, let alone actually assimilating the functionality at which he in his majesty creates. And so, what are we doing questioning an ABSOLUTE given godly trait as if it’s confusing or strange ? What is it hard to believe that GOD knows what you’ll choose to do in your life before YOU yourself know about it?? Really? Doesn’t that all the more coincide with the fact that he is all-knowing !! Can he even be all knowing without knowing what we will choose to do?? .. so then how is it a problem to imagine that stating that god determined what we will do is too difficult to understand given the fact that he ALREADY knows what we will choose to do before we were even created! You guys need to spend less time questioning god and more time getting to know him first. And That doesn’t even have to be Allah in specific. Just try to understand the notion of a creator and what powers are associated with such a divine being. That being said knowing the Islamic literature regarding Allah is even better because you’re discussing a statement made by Muslims so it’s only wise to research their own texts of how they describe god

[@RA-hs6ry]

exactly! some are making it seem as if these people are a threat to Islam....generally speaking

[@snakejuce]

True that, homie from 2 years ago.

[@Sam-eo9be]

Just because God knows what you'll do, doesn't mean you don't have free will ..

[@davidreyes-dm5sk]

free will is as much as an illusion as everything else. when a deed is committed ,do u give thanks..., implore forgiveness, repent etc...,or do you feel proud and take credit or blame etc...? believe or disbelieve... free will lies in the heart. Allahu'alim...

[@a.Bader97]

***** salamulaikom, the angels do not have a divine plan. Only Allah has a divine plan. Angels FOLLOW the divine plan.

[@unleashed93]

Please read this article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcomb%27s_paradox . Having free will necessarily means that God is literally waiting for us to make our move and then judge us accordingly. If God knows every thing then he doesn't have to wait for us because he already knows what we're going to do. If God knows what we're going to do and we can't do anything else, do we really have a choice? Furthermore, are we being sent to hell for things we can't actually control? How just.

[@numnum3316]

Ike Dakhlallah lol cant wait to see you go to hell 😂, insulting someone just because they are questioning something like what is wrong with you? And yes the irony is on purpose

[@HashimAziz1]

@@unleashed93 Why do you think God knowing what we do precludes free will? It's possible to know what someone will do and still allow them to do it, and it would arguably be far more unjust for an omniscient being to reward and punish us immediately without having ever let us "see" what got us there.

[@HamzaHGreen]

It's between the two!

[@user-if7hu3zq9c]

'=yurrotisseriewseriew y=

[@SharriffRahman6b6b]

When did Professor Lupin convert to Islam?

[@autumnicleaf]

@@stevenjericho - Thank you. Rightly put.

[@shiney94]

He is joking. He doesn't mean to harm him by this statement. What's wrong with professor Lupin? He does look like him

[@shiney94]

You obviously are taking it too far. If you want such a boring life where everything is a big offense, and where scholars are untouchable. That is up to you. But I will not do that. You are equaitng the verses of God to human beings. You sure must not be fun in parties (let me guess you don't do that too). Keep the harshness of ur religion to urself

[@JansherAquib]

Steven Jericho wow !! You must be the life of parties. Funn

[@shiney94]

@@JansherAquib Haha.. I don't even go to parties :p But nothing against anyone who does

[@mohamedissa8834]

Blessed imam and leader abdulhakiim murad

[@ondermehmetoglu7481]

He delivered a lot information, must I must qualify them as irrelevant to the question at hand: Do we have a free will or is everything predetermined? He acknowledged the contradiction but did not address it.

[@islamfrvideos]

Onder Mehmetoglu if you stand in front of me and i tell u to lift up your left leg you will be able to, now if you keep your left leg lifted up and i ask you to lift your right leg? That's the limitations of free will by God's will

[@eliaskjaney]

Islam FR Islam FR who says you can't lift your right leg as well? You can lift it, but you will fall as a result. I never understood how people can be satisfied with an example that really doesn't make sense.

[@cano5063]

Daniyal Shajar this hasnt evem diserved a reply, however. unbelieveble how someone can deliberetely misunderstand the implication of the two feed example. its just to show where the limits of free will lie. i have the coice now to close my browser or to let it on. meaning what is im my power to do is free will.

[@eliaskjaney]

Cano what is unbelievable is how you don't understand what the example means. It is meant to show there is a LIMITATION to your free will. Your browser example has no relevance here.

[@eliaskjaney]

Cano you have every power to raise both feet. So how is that a good example of limitation of free will? It is just a bad example

[@abdulsattar1173]

The best explanation thus far is as follows. If you video taped an individual from birth to his death and he was doing everything as per his free will. After his death you write all that he has done from the videos, his likes and his dislikes , his earnings and his good deeds and his bad deeds etc. You did not influence his free will and his choices when you write all this from the videos, right? We know that Allah is all knowing of all things and His proof is to write what is on the "video" without influencing any of the free will without waiting for the events to actually take place. Allah is not bound by time. In this way it is predetermined , when He tells the angels "I know what you do not". Muslims belief that the books are changed on an annual basis on a particular night. It is here that individual supplications(Duas) and Allah decision to give hidiah or not is taken into account. In this way predetermination and free will can be explained with our modern technology. It is admirable that Muslims of the past readily accepted these Quran aya without the understanding we can use with our modern technology to partially show how it can be possible for Allah to do things we do not fully understand.

[@abdulsattar1173]

@Gunther Vincent Whenever this has been done, your free will is taken into account..That is the power of God, He is all Knowing. If God wrote it after the fact then there is no power of his all knowing.

[@abdulsattar1173]

​@Gunther Vincent Either another ignorant Christian or a dumb atheist. The video is a parable. Trust you guys not to understand the simple explanations. It is the individuals actions that are recorded, the miracle is it is recorded before you do it.

[@abdulsattar1173]

​@Gunther Vincent Lets try another approach for a dumbwit. When Actuarial scientists make calculations and predict the markets is this cast in stone? No the markets still have to play its way. Did the Actuarial scientists actually force the market to this eventuality or did the markets freely reach the same outcome as predicted by the Actuarial scientists? In this case the Actuarial Scientist is independent of the free market but has a pretty good idea how it will turn out. If you still dont understand it,sorry I tried.

[@abdulsattar1173]

​@Gunther Vincent gee if the penny hasn't dropped, there is no hope for you. Actuarial Scientists are not omnipotent, omniscient nor eternal, yet they do the job they do. The creator is much much more powerful so the writing of his is accurate. He does not need the maths that goes with it nor the luck that it will pan out as predicted as the Actuarial Scientists need. GV you definitely are lost cause.

[@abdulsattar1173]

@Gunther Vincent I use human experiences to demonstrate for your understanding only. Your second sentence is in keeping with the Islamic belief. God has chosen to give mankind a free will. Even Jesus (PBUH) said not by my will but by your will, demonstrating that mans will may not be always in line with Gods will. This in no way limits Gods power this is why the concept of pre writing your actions makes God all knowing. God is also aware you will transgress and has prepared Hell for the transgressors. God is unlimited is also Islamic belief.

[@surferedge8574]

The answers are in Allah's divine names. Imagine the magnitude of Allah He doesnot care about the world much to interfere in normal human beings doings as it is not important compared to the Heavens. (The closest star on the first sky is millions of light years away imagine the distance alone) So As-samad would tell u why the football breaks the window but since you have free-will from Allah you can prevent throwing the football and whether you'll throw it or not is answered by Al-Aleem and Aalim ul Ghaib because humans are weak by design and time is just a perception of our senses. So behave like humans and leave such concepts to Allah as He is the All-knowing. When Allah created Adam the angels asked Why and Allah replied 'You donot know that which I know' - End of discussion because just like your feeble organs and five senses have limits your brain has limits so dont let iblees and his offspring mess with you with such satanic thoughts. Stay away from mutashaabihaat and stick to fundamentals.

[@surferedge8574]

@Goldie O Agreed. I think videos like these should not be viewed unless the Quran is read thoroughly and a fundamental understanding of Islam has been taken. The way the Abdal Hakim Murad says "Schools of thought in Islam or Islamic schools of thought" its wrong because Islam in its purest form is what Nabi Muhammad peace n blessings be upon him from Allah, practised, preached and said, not what any other abc thinks about it. We have to follow the prophet according to the Quran, any other approach has a vulnerability to go astray even in the slightest of ways attached to it.

[@scratneednutsia1923]

What about Maturidi?

[@esseandessence4421]

If God is Omniscient then no act of any human being occurs against Divine Omniscience. Even no Divine Act occurs against Divine Omniscience.

[@yuldezikizler5340]

I don't get it...

[@saidghendir1038]

Thank you so much. The kadhaa and kadr and free-will it's a matter of belief that has no thing to do with our life science, however this belief in kadaa and kadar comes after establishing an origin belief which is believeing in Allah and in what Mohammad's message brought. Example: If I give you a showing proof that i can carry up 500kg, this fact makes you believe in my power. Now, what if someone told you that I could carry an elephant. Here surely you will believe in me basing on the origin belief with no need to a another proof (this's called rational proof). Results: The showing proof is the Quran which establishes the origin belief. when the origin belief is built, that leads to accept the second belief that has no need to any proofs. What the purpose of all that?. This's the sound belief that feeds our worshiping to Allah as like as we see him (IHSAN level) with trust, and that what makes the difference between the children of Adam who never seen or talked to Allah and the Angels who has already seen and talked to Allah. For that reason the Angels have been commanded to bow to Adam, and for that purpose exactly the satan has taken us his enemy and we commanded as well in surat Alkahf to take him as our enemy). Final fruit: The real worshippers of Allah from the children of Adam are better than the Angels. Allah said to the Angels in the Quran in surat Albakara " I know what don't know" this's when the Angels didn't realize the wisdom of making Adam and his children as khaleefa in the earth as a test for them where Allah gave them the free will to do what they want (obeying Allah or Obeying the Satan). However the Angels they're ordered to obey to Allah with no free will. Conclusion: Without understanding the whole story of pur creation and our purpose in this life we cannot absolutely realize the wisdom of believing in kadha an kadar.

[@deepakkapurvirtualclass]

I don't know about humans but I think God does not have total free will... 1. You can choose to cease to exist by committing suicide (God forbid!)...but God can never cease to exist...come what may... So, how can God be called free? 2. You can choose to leave the path of goodness and start doing bad deeds...God can never ever even wish to do bad deeds.. So how come God has total free will??

[@Iam.povRazi]

If he can do that then he is not god

[@Artofwayfaring]

😊😊

[@jalankoe]

I am not confused, don't generalised

[@SafwanNet]

I am confused

[@justworship0570]

does he dye his hair 😅

[@khaledal-kassimi7121]

Ahahaha no.

[@adrianaadnan7704]

I am on d fence.cant agree w neither.i'll just have to learn more or wait till i die n see for myself.both presents good arguements.cant pick either side .altho it wud be verry comforting if am not responsible for my notyness.heheheh..am sorry god.dont burn me.pls pls pls dont burn me

[@ShahsawarM]

Adriana Adnan Islam is neither complete free will nor is it completely deterministic

[@srada123]

I don't think that's a proper analogy. Free will is not to be compared with a product that can't choose. I would say the giver cannot be held responsible for the negligence of the taker. For example, a man gives a beggar 10 dollars to buy food. The beggar loses the 10 dollars due to carelessness. Potentially he had the ability to be more careful. The negligence of the beggar cannot be traced back to the giver. Would the beggar still have the 10 dollars and buy the food, it's due can be traced back to the giver since without the 10 dollars the beggar couldn't have bought the food. Negligence or sinning in Islam is not a flaw in the functionality/creation of men. God created men with the potential to sin. God created us in this desired way. There's a saying of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be with Him): “I swear by Him in whose hand is my soul, if you were a people who did not commit sin, Allah would take you away and replace you with a people who would sin and then seek Allah’s forgiveness so He could forgive them.” Sin is to be prevented on ethical grounds but it is not a flaw in the nature of men. We are created perfectly in this way. In technical terms I define free will as 'that which can break an infinite sequence of equal possibilities'. For example: consider a man in the middle of a corridor. There is a door at each end of the corridor. The man is told that one of these doors leads to a treasure. Now, there is a 50% chance to choose the correct door: the right door or left door. An infinite sequence starts in his head: left, right, left, right,... The sequence is broken when he chooses one. That is free will. We break sequences of equal possibilities is our dialy life all the time like moving (or not moving) an arm, talking (or not talking). They are sequences of yes, no, yes, no.... That is how we are free in our will.

[@islamfrvideos]

srada123 don't worry about these small issues, God is not a liar and He's the most fair judge, He is justice, He created this concept like He created everything. So do your best that's all.

[@hassaanpasha7275]

well written.

[@unleashed93]

The questions you have to answer are: 1) Does God know what we're going to do? (Is he waiting for us to make a choice so he can judge us?) 2) If God knows what we're going to do, and we can't do anything else, do we really have a choice? 3) If we don't have a choice but to do what God predetermined for us, are we really responsible for what we do?

[@mr.safensound4238]

@@unleashed93 1/ Yes He knows in advance what you will chose. But still gives you the choice anyway. There's plenty of reasons for that, some of which is only known or understood by God himself. 2/ It's not predetermined (as in 'forced') what you will chose, only what choices you will face. We have a choice of either being grateful for our situation (our predetermined fate), or ungrateful. 3/ Your choices will also help change part of your fate for better or worse so making you partly responsible for your own future: 5) - فَأَمَّا مَنْ أَعْطَىٰ وَاتَّقَىٰ As for he who gives and fears Allah (6) - وَصَدَّقَ بِالْحُسْنَىٰ And believes in the best [reward], (7) - فَسَنُيَسِّرُهُ لِلْيُسْرَىٰ We will ease him toward ease. (8) - وَأَمَّا مَنْ بَخِلَ وَاسْتَغْنَىٰ But as for he who withholds and considers himself free of need (9) - وَكَذَّبَ بِالْحُسْنَىٰ And denies the best [reward], (10) - فَسَنُيَسِّرُهُ لِلْعُسْرَىٰ We will ease him toward difficulty (Quran: Al Lail verses 5-10) And God knowing your choices and your eventual destination from them still gives you the choices regardless of that knowledge. It makes you accountable for them on Judgement Day. God is Himself outside of time and space and so will see all places and past, present and futures simultaneously in a way that we humans cannot conceive in our own limited conciousness or intelligence.

[@ArafatHossain-oy9ol]

You just summarized the last episode of Black Mirror which got released very recently. Damn... you do check that out and prepared to be surprised!

[@rajaumairkhan9240]

Sir don't misguide people regarding Asharat philosophy of casualty. Imam al Ghazali the prominent theologian of asharism conclude causality in 17th chapter of his book" An incoherence of the philosophers" that The necessity of the causal relationship is not necessary which give space for miracle but he didn't say that causality didn't work. According to him An effect must have a cause but that cause is contingent and the real cause is the God. In last he conclude that the cause will or will not have same effect as others think that cause must have same effect..

[@CabdifataaxCardio]

sorry u professor murad not to mention academicly and scholarly veiw of atharism held by rationalist and empricist ibnutaymyah when it comes to free will and causality , causality is onotologicly real , and there is secondary naturalistic(from human prespective) , instrumental causality(from divine prespective) apart from GOD . also this veiw is scripturely valid .

[@tremordrake1749]

His name is also, TIMOTHY WINTERS--he has two names Also, changing last name is not permitted---that is why he has two names

[@Sheik-d3h]

Tremor Drake what does that have to do with any thing?, changing his name is a personal decision of his, no religious obligation. Underlying bigotry much!.

[@luneakvic]

@عَدِيُّ Timothy means "honoring God" in Greek. Islam asks us to take good names, which means any languages can do. Where does it say that good names only come from the Arabic language? Do you know how languages work? You also realize that some words in a language that have a good meaning can also have a bad meaning in other language as well right?

[@eric123abacus]

My only two sticking points with Islam is the absence of human free will, and the idea that God only speaks arabic.

[@Furqan-tm4gk]

1. Are you a believer but not a Muslim.. ? What is your religion if you are a believer why do you think only Islam has such problem? IMO this subject likely have been missed because the full explanation linking the issue with "tree of knowledge" was not presented by many 2. Arabic is one of the languages on earth; at least one had to be chosen, and Arabic language is known for its richness. (google quran index, search using the word 'arabic' to get many of the verses, one is shown below) We have sent it down as an arabic Qur'an, in order that ye may learn wisdom. (Surah Yusuf, 2)

[@eric123abacus]

@@Furqan-tm4gk yes, I believe in God and am an Orthodox Christian. Makes sense that God would speak to a prophet in their native language, but the idea that we can only pray to God in Arabic seems incorrect to me. In Orthodoxy, we recognize that God created us with separate ethnicities and languages for a reason, hence the separate churches (Russian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, etc). We also do recognize that God has divine foreknowledge of our actions, but that does not cause us to adopt the view of predestination, which Islam does. You might find that many Calvinist Christians do have the same view on free will as Islam does though

[@Furqan-tm4gk]

​@@eric123abacus 1. Not sure where did you get the idea that Muslims can only pray in Arabic. If such is compulsory, what is the citation ie Quranic verse. To me any regulation implied should have a Quranic verse(s), as that is the central/primary in Islam, hadeeth is not the primary source. Some Muslims may have made such claim, ie prayer "must" be in Arabic. There are variations in adopting etc things among believers, even in other religions. eg the Talibans are well known to do things that are not typically adopted by many Muslims around the world To my knowledge, language is not a barrier for our communication to God. True that most Musliims pray in Arabic, but that is only a recommendation. This is because what is in one's heart is transparent to God and this issue is relayed in various/many Quranic verses. In fact, the Quran is explicit in commanding Muslims to be aware of what one is saying while praying, eg the verse did not instruct prayer to be Arabic language, instead, one should know what he is saying during prayer *4v43 * O believers, draw not near to prayer when you are drunken until you know what you are saying, or defiled ... Anyway, the predominant ie main surah (chapter) recited repeatedly during prayer is Al-Fateehah (Chapter 1) which has only 7 verses, and Muslims who prayed typically will not have any problem to recite the 7 verses after they are used to it. 2. Quran stated in various verses that humans have free will. Not sure how you arrive to such concept Islam means no free will - do you mean to say predestination will make it impossible to have free will?. If predestination is not correct, how does God control things that are to unfold into existence?

[@maseehbelgami]

@@eric123abacus your understanding is wrong it's not just Arabic. :)

[@Vulcanwoman]

@@maseehbelgami More specifically the Quran is in Classical Arabic. The same Arabic used for old Arabic poetry.

[@jontibloom]

Wonder how Murad might explain the Manchester Islamist Suicide Bomber's murder of children going about a harmless bit of fun at a pop concert.........naturalist or determinist ?

[@chch9520]

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[@chch9520]

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[@electro639]

The question is NOT answered: Why would Allah create a human knowing that human will go to the fire (and Allah knows about it before that human is produced)? Allah brought that human to life to fail and be eternally tortured. Allah did that with the intention to torture that human after he dies because Allah knows the future results even before we are born.

[@uthman2281]

So?

[@zulaikamulondo989]

i think that God knows what will be the outcome of your decision, but he chooses not to know what you will choose and thats my understanding of our free will.

[@Sam-eo9be]

God is not bound by time, so the frames of reference are outside our full understanding. We cannot even truly grasp the concept of infinity if we being really honest..

[@lolhahah21]

+Zulaika mulondo There is absolutely nothing that Allah (God) does not know. He knows *everything* and that includes what you will choose.

[@unleashed93]

If God Is timeless, then he knows not what it feels like to be bound by time. Or what it feels like to be born and die. To be young and age, and wither. But if God is eternal, which is different to timeless, then he can understand beginnings and ends of things. You have to be careful with your jargon. Also, if God knows what we're going to do, @lolhahah21, then how can we be judged for doing them since God could either stop us or we couldn't do anything else...

[@mr.safensound4238]

@@unleashed93 He permitted us to be whatever we are. That's our 'free will', but by His permission. You see nothing we do or do not do will increase or decrease anything of God in the slightest. If you want to know why He didn't stop us making mistakes, He made us humans and He made Angels who don't sin. They asked this question, why make sinners? And the answer is that this is God's perogative, He knows and has His reasons and some of them will be discovered through our own life's journey if we are rightly guided to this knowledge.

[@unleashed93]

@@mr.safensound4238 so what you're saying is there is free will and we have the ability to make choices and God is waiting to find out what we do so he can judge us?

[@martinn4626]

How to complicate life.Translate everything into ancient Arabic, and then mention the Prophet.If you believe in this.There are fairies at the bottom of the garden.

[@1104rakhmat]

Martin N some others are ignorance, with no concept of life, making assumptions based on desires. like you.

[@fearnonebutone4977]

Martin N Ancient Arabic? Arabic is still the same now as it was then. Proper Arabic is Arabi Fus’ha. Again, still practiced. As for belief, to reject this and simplify your existence is the more ignorant way of thinking. Did you just randomly pop into existence? No. Even Darwin himself specifically said that he cannot rule out the concept of a Creator.

[@alhassani626]

You are right, that there are people who do this. Charlatanism is present in all academia, not just theology. It's a form of greed for self-recognition among peers. However, what the Sheikh talks about is a very well-known problem among Muslims. Every Muslim has had to deal with this philosophical paradox during their Islamic Studies. However, in all forms of Academia, derogation and ad hominem criticism isn't welcome such as yours.

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@@1104rakhmat don't attack him. Be humble. Remember the future isn't known. He could be far better than any of us in the end. May Allah guide us all.

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@@mr.safensound4238 Aamiin. thank you brother